No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 773: 2023 LPGA Season Review pt1

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

It's time to put a bow on the 2023 LPGA season as Randy, Tron, Cody and Jordan gather to recap the last twelve months in women's professional golf. In part one we relive the ascension of Lilia Vu whose two major wins catapulted her to the top spot in the world rankings, relive our most notable moments of 2023 (20:55), review our predictions from the start of the year that came true and those that most certainly did not (52:05), and take stock of the notable changes in the top ten over the course of the season (1:04:30). Stay tuned for part 2 of our discussion on Thursday which delves into the potential Saudi-PIF involvement in the women's game, a review of the years from some of the biggest names on the LPGA tour, and a review of the first year in charge for LPGA commissioner Mollie Marcoux Samaan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the No Laying Up Golf Podcast. My name is Randy. Thank you for joining us. This is a bit belated, but our 2023 LPGA season recap episode and what a season it was.

Before we dive in everything, let me introduce the fellow folks on the show with me, my teammates. Let's start Mr. Tron Carter, Jacksonville, Florida, TC, hello to you, sir, how are you? Is this the ball-nowers episode? Ball-nowers only. Yeah. Ladies ball-nowers.

Ladies ball-nowers. That's exactly right. It's great to have you TC Next up Cody McBride from Dallas, Texas Cody. How are you today? Big it's an honor as always to be here. Thank you for inviting me onto your show I can't wait to break down in an awesome year not only in professional women's golf amateur golf all all golf On the the women's side has been fantastic. So thank you again for having me. Of course, of course. And last but certainly not least. Also from Florida

outside the Jacksonville area, Miss Jordan Perez, Jordan, good morning, good afternoon, whatever it may be. How are you today? Very happy to be here with you all. So thanks for bringing me on. I'm finding an alarming amount of gray hairs for 26. So I'm really ready to talk some palette cleansing LPGA golf. And I know you're cold. It's TC said it's Florida cold today where you are. So really tease and peas to you Jordan. I know you're struggling with the cold. It's about 70 degrees downright. It's in your bones. Struggling. Of course. Well, before we dive in, I want to thank our good friends all year.

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Jordan, I don't know what golf ball you're in. Are you in, what golf ball are you in? I got a step of my game. I'm feeling very inadequate here. Yeah, yeah. We'll get you into a title list here. We'll figure out. I'd be super curious to know what the breakdown is

between X and ProV1 on the LPGA tour. It just as it relates to like, descend angle into greens. Because that's a massive, massive deal in the latest game. Yeah. We should ask the title of folks to give us that data if they're allowed to. I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, I think it's just Darryl survey data.

You know, we can talk to Darryl. Whatever the case, all you guys listen and head over to titleist.com. You can start the ball fitting process and see which model is right for your game. Thank you very much to our friends at Titleist. Guys, the season's in the books. What a ride it's been. I think it ended exactly how we all thought. Amy Yang is your tour championship winner.

She collects $2 million. It's her fifth LPGA victory. Yeah, who wouldn't have seen that coming, you know? But in all honesty, man, long, long year, we are recording this on Friday morning, December 8th, just because of some travel this next week. So the Grant Thornton event has just started, unfortunately, we're not going to know the results of that, but very interested to watch that this weekend. Leona and Luke is Glover are currently 10 under through 10. They've perted their first 10 holes.

That's, which I believe this is a scramble today. So I was expecting the scores to be a little bit lower than they are. The next closest is corpus and champ at 600 through 10. Madeline, Ludwig, Rose and Saehith as well at six under. Uh, TC, uh, the one thing that we'll say looking at the scoreboard so far because people love these early scoreboard looks even though, you know, the event's gonna be over next week.

I, I hate to see the pride of Fort Worth here, Shion and, and Hojkoin just slow out of the gates. They're even par through seven on a scramble. They were over par at one point. It's not looking good for them. It should almost be like, par is your friend today, you know, like kid, no bogies allowed for anybody in the, in the two person scramble format. Pick it up. Come on. We don't, they got had a team double on the second hole par four.

Yikes. Well, let's say there's guys. We're going to go through a lot of stuff today. We're going to kind of recount some of our favorite moments of the year. We're going to talk about a bunch of individual players. We're going to look back at our beginning of the year predictions. We got some kind of meaty discussion topics towards the end. But I think we start right here. I, when I was sitting down to do the preview and thinking about this episode and just the season,

it just feels like 2023 and please jump in here if anybody feels differently or whatnot. But I think the thing that 2023 is most going to be known for is just the breakout and the ascension of lily of voo. Does anybody object to that? I mean, that's to me, that's like quite clearly what 2023 has been all about. No objections from me, Your Honor. Code man, you want to come in, tell me about, you know, anything else on your mind.

No, I agree with you on that. I think it's truly phenomenal from looking back at the close of CME tour championship last year. I think she was 41st by the time the year calendar year wrapped around. She was all the way up to 43rd in the Rolex rankings. She's held onto that rank as number one in the world now. And it's, it's just a truly phenomenal ascent, I will say, very much deserving. And for people who hopefully have listened to this podcast

all year, but the opportunity that we had at just prior to the international crown is sitting down and talking to her and going through her backstory and the path through COVID and really some dark, dark times and finding the courage and mustering some more mental strength to kind of, you know, say, this is what I know I'm capable of this. I have to believe in myself before anybody else will believe in me to go out there, continue to dig it out of the dirt. At one point in time, she thought about hanging it all up and to see where she's at now, a multiple major winner,

just capping off a phenomenal year. The only thing I think that she would say is she's bummed out about is that Soul Heimcup defeat. But everything else just completely went Lily of Uzway. Defeat, not tie, I like it. Jordan, does anything, how much of Lillia did you know about through her amateur career and did anything we saw this year shock you would would talk to me about your feelings with Lillia this year. So Lillia's amateur career I kind of ended right around the time that I started paying attention to the amateur game but just in retrospect she always had she was really kind of a phenom for basically her entire amateur career. I mean, playing Junior

golf in Southern California, she was just the kind of person who was just winning everything. And then eventually goes to UCLA and becomes the number one amateur in the world. And I think there was always this standard for her that she always had to achieve. And that's why the lowest of her lows were just that much harder. And I think to kind of see this resilience this year and how that's translated into one of the most epic years we've seen and years passed on, the LPGA is tremendous. And it really just speaks to the level of talent and how incredible she is.

Just as also a side note, I also love what she represents for first generation Americans. I think that's incredible. And there's a lot of inspiration and there's a little, there's a good amount of vulnerability that she gives off. And I think she's really good for the game

and Cody to your point about the Soulheim Cup probably being maybe the one blemish. If, you know, it's not that big, but fairly big, I guess, in the context of how much it means to those players. I mean, she's still going to be such a huge part of trying to get it back in 24. Cody, you said a cent as well. I think just as impressive as the ascent is, you know, winning is winning like she won the third event of the season in Thailand and then she won the first major of the season and then she won the last major of the season and she won what the second to last tournament of the year.

So I think on that front, it's like not only did she Ascent, she also kind of found her way at the top and stayed there and has just only further that ascent of, hey, you know what? It wasn't just, I got to the top of the mountain, staying here and I'm just getting started, which I feel sustainable. With an injury in there as well, I mean, you guys got, I don't know if you remember, post Chevron, she completely fell off. She had some really bad results. She took time off just trying to you know Nursing I can't remember if it was a wrist or an elbow something clearly going wrong there and honestly We thought that she was this kind of done for the year and then as soon as she got healthy again

She just completely like regain that's amazing form that she showed at the start of the year and just continue marching on. Yeah, that's exactly right. And Tron, that's a great point too. It's not like she rode up like two months right out of what eight months of calendar play. Cody, you're right. You know, she missed the cut at both the US women's open and the KPMG. And I think all of us were like, okay, what's going on?

How serious is whatever this injury is that she's dealing with? But thankfully, it wouldn't be that serious or she was able to get over it and regain her form quickly to put a punctuation mark on her season and our conversation. She won over three and a half million dollars on the LPGA this season for wins, the two majors. The four wins are the most by an American woman in a single year since 2012 when Stacey

Lewis also won four times. And the two majors, this, I mean, this is incredible. And I know we talked about it both in the moment at the Women's British Open, but winning two majors for the first time since 1999, Julie Inxter. So very rarefied air for Lilia Vu. And I think to me, the biggest realization was just watching her pass, Nelly Corda. Like, there's no other way to say it. Like, it's the pecking order now is

Lily of view than Nelly Corda. And I don't think I certainly didn't have that on my bingo card headed into this year. But good on Lily of viewiv. I the only thing I wanted to mention as well, she officially clinched the LPGA Player of the Year award. It's a points-based award. So she actually clinched that at the Tour of Championship by virtue of her finish and Selene Boudier had to win to even have a chance. So it came down to the final week for the player of the year as well. Lily, it got that done. And yeah, it all together. And it was just a fabulous, fabulous season.

And I think something we all wanted out of an American woman. I just don't think we thought it would be Lily of view. I think I test, too. You know, she won Thailand. She won Texas. She won on a Heathland course at Walton Heath by six shots. Yeah.

She wanted to play off in Chevron, like she won all different sorts of ways. She won over a resurgent Angelian and then, you know, Charlie, just like beat the hell out of Charlie, that final round. Yeah. You know, 67, 67 on the weekend at Walton Heath. And then, you know, goes super low at Pelican at a game bridge to win. So it's different kinds of wins, you know, which is impressive too.

Cody, I guess my, one of the questions I'm interested in is if we look forward towards next year, what are your expectations? I know, you know, with great success, come great expectations. What do you think we should expect? What do you think Lillia should expect as we look to 2024 and beyond?

I think Jordan had a great point earlier about, not just highlighting the fact that she's a first-generation American, but there's a bit of vulnerability with her. There's a bit of openness and she kind of lets you into how she's feeling, what she's thinking about. And I think that translates very well to her game. Like you can kind of see when she's when she has it all together, you can see when she's not really doing it. And I think the biggest thing is that Julia has remembered again like, she's a really good driver of the golf ball.

She's a phenomenal iron player. And she can just scramble her ass off. And like when she gets in a spot to make putts, like she makes them in buckets, like she's extremely consistent when she's healthy. I hate putting expectations on people, but like really, I don't see another American 12 majors. No, not at all. I mean, that's not my block to stand on. That's obviously kneelers. But I would say that like we have a, I, we could see her contending in major championships next year. She'll clip off another couple of wins. She has more experience under her belt. Obviously, it's a higher platform that she finds herself in.

That doesn't seem to be bothering her at all. She is still the exact same person. Hopefully we can get the girl a little bit more worldwide or recognize branding because that I know that Kingston Fury brand that she wears on her hat is like very local and tied into where she grew up at and I think it's like a family friend of hers. But hopefully as she continues to grow, her profile continues to grow in the game. Cody wants her to play does. I agree. I think Fargo on her hat. Well, I would say, well, it's Fargo, but like she's a number one women's professional player in the world

And I think that when you look at business and everything It's not reflective of that. Yeah, and it really sucks You know, and I don't think this is not just a fluke She is going to be around and I expect a lot of very very good things from her next year because I think, you know, outside of maybe Ronin and, and form that we've seen and obviously Lynn and Rose and some of the younger people getting full years under their belts. Like who else held their game together throughout the complete year more than she did. You know, it's hard to not have lofty expectations for.

Yeah, I totally agree. Jordan, anything as far as what, you know, what you'd like to see any expectations to add to what Cody said? Yeah, I mean, going into 24, she quite frankly had the best year in professional golf. And that's going to be just thought like I said earlier, that increased standard that she's going to keep trying to live

up to. But it's I don't think she's going to have much of an issue with that. I mean, she just has a game that feels really like indestructible right now. And I really think, especially watching her Walton Heath really solidified that like we watched Chevron and we were like, okay, yeah, so Lilyavu has a fairly high level of credibility. She's here. She is among one of the top players, but when you watch her at Walton Heath, it was like, oh my gosh, like this cheat, she's clearly a cut above the rest. And I, I think it's grating to almost consider it

in the context of the golf year we had because it's like kind of to your point Cody, like it just wasn't enough love for it and there should be more love for it. And I hope there is in 24. I think I don't have a ton to add. I echo everything you guys said. I just want to add the thing that I think I don't have a ton to add. I echo everything you guys said. I just want to add the thing that I think I like the most about Lillia and her golf game

is her demeanor and her mindset and Cody, you touched on that a little bit. That's what shun through when we had a chance to talk to her in San Francisco, do the podcast interview with her. If anybody has not listened to that, it's pretty evergreen. I would encourage anybody to go back and listen to that. She just comes across as so comfortable and confident in her own skin and just clear-eyed about she wants to win. And as funny as it is to say this out loud, like sometimes I just don't get that sense from

Different women even men, you know, like I think that's not a guaranteed mindset necessarily out onto her and I just love kind of walking away from that conversation with Liliapian like She like she wants this she wants to go hunt people.. She wants to stack trophies and majors and with... Love hunting people. Yeah, yeah. But doing that with in a well-spoken, thoughtful way off the court, I don't know, it's just this, what I think this wonderful mix

of killer but thoughtful and she knows when to turn it on and kind of turn it off. I just so impressed with her. I cannot wait for 2024. Cody, I think you said, you know, it's going to be lofty expectations. I think they're deserved. I think they're warranted and I just can't wait to see how she goes about following up her 2023 season. You know, we, uh, we put a lot of stock that definitely deserving of it on Liliah. I think, you know, we forget, you know, who she pledged, she was grouped within that final round at Chevron, which because Liliah is the one that came out with two major championships, but she was paired in that final with Charlotte, Alice and Corpus, Alice and Corpus. Oh, oh, at Chevron, they both were tired for the lead at 10 under par going starting that final round.

And Alice and ended up having a really, really bad final round shot 74 ended up finishing T4 there. Obviously, Lillia shot 68 in that final round, Angel with that, you know, 72, but they both ended up it at, remained at 10 under. And it was just, it's just one of those things where you look at it and you're like, wow, really one round there. And this phenomenal season that we're talking about from Liliya Vu and obviously she had, she had other victories on top of that as well. But like we could be saying Alison Corpus is here with, you know, the top US player with two major champions for the year. That's a great point.

Randy, you're so right. You just dusted Nelly this year. Like, like Nelly's on, like, you know, you're on the terminal watch list here. Yeah. And we're going to have a chance to talk about Nelly, but that's one of the things I'm most fascinated to see is like, okay, Nelly, like, you got to show us something here in 2024. You know, I want to see what kind of pride Nelly has, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

Guys, the next thing on the agenda, I wanted to kind of go down memory lane and recount some of our favorite moments of the year. So I asked you guys to come with with what was it? Your top three. So Jordan, can we start with you? Maybe we'll just go around. We'll see where there's overlap. But what was your third best moment this year?

Allison Corpus winning at Pevel just tying it into bringing up Allison Corpus already. I mean, by Friday it was kind of over for everybody. And I know that was tough to believe, but she kind of came out of very much a quiet killer and kind of to the same effect as Liliah. She's a hunter, she wants it, she was made for that moment and really made for Pebble. And it was kind of incredible in the context of her having never played there. And just it fit her game so well, being from Hawaii, just being such an, oh gosh, I want to probably one of the best ballstrikers I've ever seen.

And I just, I, Alison's performance that week really tied a bow on something incredible and that there were makings of that at the end of her amateur career and taking that final year at USC and really coming into her own and finding her game and just finding the confidence to continue because she almost stopped playing golf altogether, right? And then just a few years later she's a major champion. So for me that was my third favorite moment. You got some lofty, lofty moments here. If that was number three, I want to piggyback on that, Randy, because since we're talking about pebble, first time ever has been a women's

professional event held at Pebble Beach. I think that is historic to begin with. It showed how great we got incredible weather there. And I think a very deserving champion, but it wasn't without a little bit of drama. We were there. It was a phenomenal week for us doing live from the dog house. Thank you, Mr. T.C. for the excellent hospitality that was set up in our partners there. A rowback Jordan was with us on site. KVV and his daughter. There's a phenomenal week for NLU, a doing live shows there.

But we got one of the quotes of the year, I think. That's from Ms. Charlie Hall, shy kids. Don't get sweets. She absolutely grinded her tail off. Charging on Allison, we had Onika with the Shadiest Drop we've ever seen. And it just, and everybody just seemingly has forgotten about all just let it go. She gets into Augusta. She gets her own tournament now. It's all by the way

that we was supposed to be the send off for Michelle, but onica just wouldn't let that happen. The other thing, what first time ever that the LPGA tour or major championship brought in shot link. What we learned, a stats and having that shit actually matters. It helped us big time talking about live shows, taught us helped us big time explaining things, predicting things. I still don't understand hopefully something continues to to come from that. What else happened that we? Bayley, pretty. miss jumping out to an early lead. Bayley, Tarty, she ran out there and she ran out there quick. Obviously, I think everybody except maybe her mom and her dog as we learned, knew she was kind of going to

run out of steam. I don't know if they'll pissed it, Randy. No, I don't know if we've told that, that full story. But I'm going to say it here because I don't, I don't know if we've told that that full story, but I'm going to say it here because I don't I don't mind embarrassed in the big guy a little bit, but he actually he apologized to her face to face. He apologized. I think to her dog as well. And at one point in time, the decision the decision was in order for Bailey to accept the apology. Randy had to get on a knee to do it. That was too much for me. If you'll remember that, listen, Lauren Cogland, we're at the... Apologizing for you. Exactly, TC. We were at the fan village at the women's open in London and Lauren's like, hey, here's Bailey. Bailey, remember, this is Randy. He was talking all that shit about you at the US Open.

And we had a good laugh. I said, I'm sorry, Bailey. I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. I don't think I really apologize because I don't think I have anything to apologize for. Don't worry, TC though. I have the whole entire thing on video. So one of these days, if Randy wants to walk that back. I have the whole entire thing on video. So one of these days if

Randy wants to walk that back, I have the evidence there. We all might have been a couple of weird deep too. So it was, it was, it was, it was a, Cody, this is, this is the one tonic moment in golf history. Well, I'll say this. I'm going to, I'm going to cap it off here and that viewership for the US women's open appeal of each was up 118 percent. Then it was the year prior at Pine Needles. That's not a shot of Pine Needles, but it is a shot that golf courses matter, the venues matter. Championship actually matters.

The investment in the purses matter, having statistics matter, having additional streaming matters. And if you have it on prime time TV, people will watch. Amen. Amen. TC, what was your third, third best? Yeah, Randy, you know, you, you, so you gave us a lot of homework. It was a task master. You look like a professor today, by the way. You got this, this, this maroon get up on with some plaid that's a slammer and a punch. Yeah.

Yeah. But so I took it as a moment of the year. Could be bad. Could be good. Right. Of course symbolic. So we'll get to, you know, maybe a negative moment of the year for me. But positively my third moment of the year, I thought match play.

This is quickly turning into one of my favorite events to watch all year. I Thought it was a great Great semi-final great quarterfinals shadow Creek is turned into like it's a compelling venue for to watch the ladies on they had it dialed up to a million. The greens were so firm. They had some outrageous hole locations coming down the stretch. You know, Lynn Grant, I think finished in third. It was just, it was a really good field. It was a really good, the best ball strikers

really rose to the challenge. And so I just wanted to shout that one out. That was thinking back and reflecting upon the year. That was one of my favorite events of the year and just favorite moments of the year. And's going going to a new date next year. They're moving it up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It should be a better spot on the calendar. You're exactly right. That course is a phenomenal match. Of course. And they do not make it easy, which is, which is cool. My third favorite moment of the year, I went with Rosezang, winning the Mizzouho. And specifically that playoff with Jennifer Cuppcho.

It was good versus evil. Year words, not mine. I just remember, so I was out in New Jersey. I was cadding for a buddy of ours, Matt Bartonick in a 36 hole US open qualifier. And this was the day before. So the day I arrived Sunday and me and at the hotel and we were going to go get a bite to eat and just talk about the next day. And the playoff was going on. And we were both so invested. Like we were watching it in our phone. We had it on in the car driving to dinner. We had it on at the table. Like it was thinking back like I was so invested in that moment and watching Rose saying, I forget if it was

a hybrid or a three wood that she eventually hit in to just a few feet to win the playoff, but man, so much excitement. Of course, her first pro start, I think the expectations got turned up to a million, but that was, I don't want to lose sight of just like, that was a fun moment. And it hits number three on the board for me. We can go snake style. I'll just go ahead with my second favorite moment is the women's moment.

The second moment. The second best moment. I thought was, and it's not like a specific moment in time, but it was more a day was the lilyavu capturing the women's open and just taking it from Charlie Hall. And I don't know, it was just so impressed. Charlie being the local favorite. Everybody was behind her at Walton Heath

just there outside of London. And just seeing that the steely reserve and like, I know we toss around the word killer, but that day to me was like, damn man, like Lillia is a killer. And I don't know, that's that, when I was kind of just reflecting back through the season, that just so impressive to me.

So I had that as my second best moment. T.C. What was your second? A lot of different ways I can go, you know, Grace Kim at the Lote, running in. That was a great tournament at Palace of Bear days. Megan Kang finally getting the W. You know, if you've got a shout out our friends up in Canada, that's a best in class event up there. You know, all sorts of stuff with Charlie. But I'm going to say Soulheim Cup for me, just the being on the ground,

being able to see in person what nobody could see on TV, just simply because they weren't showing it. Like the seeing Lynn Grant get off to that start or watching Megan Kang play exceptional golf. Just, she's a complete bulldog out there. Junkyard dog. Just, Lexi played gray. Like there was just some outstanding individual performances at the Soulheim Cup. And I thought that represented kind of the best of the best of women's golf,

even if it was kind of an analogy for women's golf at large. You got this great action out there. And then, you know, the venue selection and the concessions, like they did everything they possibly could to fuck it up. And the golf stool rose above the mix and shined. That's a great one. Who is it? Cody, what's your second favorite moment?

Yeah, I, or best moment. See, see, that brings back a lot of really good memories. And I agree with you for the purpose of this podcast, I'm going to switch it to a different team event, though. And that's actually having the international crown back. I think it was awesome to be able to see these groups of players that, you know, some of these countries that truly are just like, you know, have some absolute killers on their squads that don't get the opportunity to play in the Soulheim Cup.

Specifically, obviously, we could talk about Korea, talk about China, we could talk about this young Japanese team that comes out in this firing, this massive squad that the Aussies bring with them everywhere. With so impressive watching them, they tried to play the underdog, that entire championship, but ultimately ended up absolutely getting steamrolled by a young but with veteran experience tie team led by you know, Titica and Paddy. And then yeah, the Jotana Garn sisters out there that just ripped people's throats out as a clean sweep in that final round match. And then really not seeing much from any of the tie team the rest of the year. Like they just kind of disappeared. They came out,

they did some, some like crazy killer shit. And then they just like took their ball and kind of went home. You know, I really quick. Did you, did you combine a tie as last person in the last name? I did. I was wondering if you're trying to take it. Thank you. Tidaka. You know, I think. Thank you. Yeah, the fact that her winning rookie of the year last year with everything that she had going on

and just bursting out on the seams. She had the highest hopes, expectations placed upon her for this year. And she was, she was right there. If you look at scoring averages, she was right there. If you look at top 10, she was right there. She just didn't win. And it, it's crazy to, to look at it and see how well she played and the, that final result, not just being there, but I thought it was awesome. Guys, real quick, I feel bad for mentioning Soulheim Cup without like the moment of the soul. Oh, don't ruin it.

That was my number one. That was my number one. All right. All right. Yes. All right. All right. Jordan, what do you got?

All right. I'm here. I'm here to steal it. My number two was the most inflammatory moment of the soulheim cub in which number one going to be them because that feels like you're going in like reverse order here. No, it's going to be so you know, I'm going to end it on a positive note. I think she's going Lexi. I am saying Lexi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's share it. I am saying Lexi. I feel there's a little too much positivity right now,

so I need to add a dose of negativity, but no. Yeah, Lexi's chipshank and not wanting to comment on that was equal parts a really fun thought exercise in terms of how athletes, you know, how athletes are a treated by the media and b how they view the media and cids. It was disappointing, I guess, and I wrote a column about this at the time, but it was a moment in where I think it was very fair to ask Lexi how she was feeling, what was on her mind and what was going on.

And I made this point in the column and I said, I said, if you, if an athlete is moving the needle, they should be asked by the moments that they aren't either. And that, I, I felt that was a moment for Lexi to, I shouldn't need to necessarily let her guard down, but it's certainly, you know, you don't have to sit there and justify it. You know, it's mistake. Obviously, she had no intentions of checking it, but it's a way of saying, hey, yeah, that I must stop.

Obviously, it didn't mean for that to happen that it stinks. And you just part with it. And, you know, whether you look at the soul on cup and retrospect and say like that was a losing moment, I, maybe that's kind of a stretch, but I certainly think in terms of maybe morale and the relationship between athletes and media, especially women's athletes,

because I think, Tron, you made this point a number of times just about how women's, the coverage of women's athletes always leans a little like a little more gentler, a little more fluffier, and women should have to answer the same questions as their counterparts do, because if we want to level up the coverage and we want to be in the same place, that the narratives need to not exactly parallel, but there's a level of seriousness that has to go on there. And so I like that moment specifically because of not only the thought exercise that it brought, but just kind of re-evaluating the way that we cover LPC athletes, because it's not a conversation

that comes up often. And I almost appreciate Lexi for doing that. I almost appreciate Lexi for doing that. Totally agree. I think it's kind of weird to think like I tweeted that video, like prop style ex-Masellie for asking the question. I tweeted the video and it's what kind of led off the whole shit storm. I, but you know, at some point, I think it's a conversation worth having

in a valuable conversation. You know, I think it moves things forward. So I completely agree. I think the fact like there's so that entire so proper, you can break down each individual little decision. You can see it's one of those flow charts where it's like, oh, yes, I made this decision. This happens next. Or no, we make this decision and it just goes away. And it feels like for every single thing that happened, they just continue to say yes and blame it on somebody else. And it ultimately ended up being the deal that it is.

First of all, phenomenal question. Very much justified in asking that. Now, Lexi has that choice if she wants to answer it or not, but you could see that's why that video was so powerful. You could see this visceral reaction from her. And it was, and it was, it was an instant thing where it, honestly, it didn't really even matter the words that came out of his mouth.

As soon as it, as soon as the word chip was said, she immediately knew what was going on and she was immediately like, not just defensive. She blacked out with like anger. And she just, she sat there and I understand stacey in that situation and trying to defend her, her players and trying to defend this team and making sure that they have the right foot forward. But there was catty-ness, small talk that the microphones picked up about how horrible and why would you ask that question?

And it just added to this title wave that I don't think they realized was growing at the time. But it was, it started because of them, right? Nobody else outside of the person who hit that ship, that same person who decided not to answer that question, but then answered the question in her own way. And then the captain who thought she was defending that player, but really based off talking behind the mics that was end up picking up was just talking shit about it. They made it such a bigger moment than it actually was. Hey, man. Hey, man. What a valuable one nonetheless. Well, I hope a bigger moment than it actually was. Amen. Amen. But a valuable one nonetheless.

Well, I hope a learning moment and opportunity and the whole thing about media and I know this specifically comes from Lexi's camp and it's interesting because you can see it kind of spread out and whatever little clicks are tied in with Lexi and everything else like that. And there are certain people who are immediately defensive of the media, but I think, you know, we're not just like a propaganda arm of whatever, you know, women's

professional sports you go on out there. Like you also need to ask the questions. You need to try to figure out like when you're the person in the arena, like we want to know the people want to know what is going on. That was a huge moment. And obviously, you know, Lexi, since that moment has fucking played incredible golf. Yeah. But now people can't even ask her. Yeah. And what change?

Even before that moment, she had an exceptional soul. I'm kind of all the way around. I do want to give a quick shout out to somebody close to my heart that do sweeper himself Tony Ruggiero speaking of pronunciations and bad stuff again. Like he went to him, like at the end of the summer and basically said, I'm breaking down. I don't know what's going on. I need to fix it. And he has helped put her swing back together, step by step by step, and he is working his tail off. And like you can see the success that they're having from it now.

But again, who knows what's gonna happen in 2024? Duh-duh. That's so tough. Yeah. All right, we're back. We're whipping it back around. All right, number one on your list, Jordan. What do we got?

Ooh, I'm going to go back to the Rose Ang winning her first professional event. And I think that really ties into kind of the few months before that, where her amateur career ended, where she won and won effectively completed the women's Am grand slam. She goes and wins another NCAA individual title. And just kind of has this sort of fairy-tale-ish ending to her amateur career, but it was interesting because she was just so rundown. Like I remember talking to her that week, and she was like, I'm so tired. I'm just I'm done. And she pretty sure she was right in the middle of her finals at Stanford too. So just imagine all of those aspects like just piling on top of you and then you kind of come out of the gate, you you play professional events, but you know, in a matter of speaking, you've got a few exemptions, you're just you're you're trying to, you know, start your career. And somehow

you just I think she still exceeded the expectation because I think everyone knew who Rose Ang was and how good she was, but no one knew why how well it was going to translate. And it pretty much did immediately. And I think those were some of the coolest months of following an amateur to a professional. I, TCL tie it with Ludwig. I don I don't want to, I don't want to take any way, think away from

Ludwig, but it was, there was some of the, it was one of the most interesting sequences of amateur tour professional, I think, that I've ever seen in a sport. And so for that to kind of put the bow on just an incredible start of golf was, was. And to to even further bring it home like, yes, I say it was a fairy tale and that she ends up winning all of it, but there were moments of struggle and strive to like the anwa win was not perfect. The win at Nuzooho was not perfect. And I still have concerns about the potter, right? Yes, yes. They really, all that was exposed that week. But and I like that. I like that level of adversity because Rose Zang's story

really needed it. And she's kind of shown it just a little bit in her first season of professional golf. And I think that's only good for the plot, good for women's golf. She had this weird kind of unspoken task of trying to change the entire game of women's golf. She had this weird kind of unspoken task of trying to change the entire game of women's professional golf, which I don't think is entirely her responsibility, but she's

still kind of making her mark, making her impact and going her about her business in a way that's been so impressive. And so that was my number one moment. I like that. Cody, yep. I agree with that too. Very well said, we'll get more to Rose when we go down, get to go down the leaderboard a little bit later with with Professor TC. But Randy tacit out to the rest of us. I'm going to match you there. I'll say another person who won a major championship this year. Awesome, awesome years. She also won

the LA Open. She is also very young, younger than people expect. And that is the great tenant herself, Ronning Yinn. And I think she's just in the year of Lynn finally playing on the LPGA tour and Rose turning professional and everyone else. It's like, why are we not why are we not talking about Ronnie that much? Like, why is she always left out is because her nationality? It's because of the way that she plays like what's up? She's number two in the world right now. She was number one in the world until Lily got her second second major championship. I mean, there's just got to be something else there. But her absolute, like, she's a silent assassin.

And I think if you look at what the future of the LPGA tour is, a very strong running with a strong rose and Lynn and Maya and this group of amateurs that we haven't even talked about yet that are about ready to turn professional next year and come up. Like the tour itself and women's professional golf is in a really, really good place with purses that are going up, more investment into the game. And I think that's something to be celebrated. T.C. was your best moment of 2023. that's something to be celebrated. TC, what was your best moment of 2023? Well, go ahead and again, Randy, not best, not best, just moment, defining moment.

It was the broadcast debacles at Balcis Rawl for the KPMG Women's PGA that was waterlogged and then the same thing happened at Soulheim Cup, just a total abdication of any sort of pride and the product or anything like that. And I think the one at Balters Royal really, I think that's going to set the stage for some actual change, right? We've talked to a lot of people behind the scenes and I'm just thinking about stuff that we'll have a longer tail

beyond 2023. I think that one legitimately, like, hey, the performance there was not acceptable. Whether and really at Chevron either, like they're, yeah, and they said, oh, you know, some of these sites and diesel fuel out of our production. You know, what bad luck, you know?

But like, you know, just, I think there's's this stuff to adding up enough to where it's like, Hey, this is so insulting and so counter to what everybody's patting themselves on the back floor, as far as supporting the women's game. And at some point, you know, you can, you can have all the women's leadership symposiums you want and increase these purses as much as you can. But at some point, the product matters and getting it out to consumers matters. And I think that was a watershed moment as far as Antmolly and Sam flood and Brian Roberts and all of our besties over at Comcast, Universal NBC, just, you know, all those ghouls of like, Hey, you know what, like get your shit together.

A freaking man wasn't good. A freaking man, which, you know, one on the flip side, like I'll give him a lot of credit for the US women's open. I thought they did a really great job for that one. And, you know, that was, and that's a matter of resources and sure, it probably helps that Fox is paying a bunch of the money to not broadcast that either. So.

Well, we alluded to it earlier. I thought my the most defining moment of 2023, would it however you want to say it? Headwall at the Soulheim Cup, Caroline headwall, truly, truly, truly, and this is now with four months to reflect, nearly four months. I think one of the most impressive stretches of golf

that I've ever seen, and I think that's as true today as that night when I set it on the Soulheim Cup recap pod. Just to give you a sense that the team Europe was looking like they were dead in the water as a team there on Sunday afternoon. And Allie Ewing was Caroline's opponent. Allie Ewing was three up through 12 in a match that, I mean, as things would go, if Allie wins that, Team USA wins the Soulheim Cup. And over those last six holes, Caroline headwall flipped

a switch and birdied 13 for the win. Birdied 14 for the win. Part 15 to have birdied 16 for the win. Birdied 17 for the win and then capped it off. It's an eagle on the scorecard on 18, but knocked it close and was going to two- putt birdie for 18. It ended up not mattering. So to play those final six holes, six under on the score card and completely flip that match from three down to a two up victory to get a full point for team Europe

in that match, which again would prove would allow them to retain the cup. It just was some of the best golf in like the most pressure packed, do-or-die situation I've ever seen. And it's going to be, I mean, sitting there, Tron, you and I were, I believe in the media center and just watching, it was unbelievable. I mean, I know that the old crusty journalists don't like cheering in the media center, but I, people were erupting and I honest to God, I think it was more so at just how great the golf shots were. I think more so than how like,

how unlikely a lot of you are up. Yes, exactly. Like just like she was the last, basically the most unlikely person on either team either and hadn't done anything in the event yet. Like it just been kind of a total. All right, she's going to play one or two sessions and she sat like it was one of the most unlikely things I've ever seen in sports. Yeah, it's crazy.

It was absolutely insane. Yeah, I just have I have this big grin on my face just even thinking about it. Like it was it was one of my I remember you and me just standing there in the thing just kind of standing up. You're like, like, what about head wall? What are you like? We got head wall like she's, and it just starts. What about head wall? Yeah. You guys know this. We talked about it on the show.

We, Neil and I were out on the course. We had no clue that it was happening. We didn't have a clue that that was going on. You guys thought it's, you know what I'm saying? I feel like this is a moment. Yeah. You guys had this incredible moment, and we honestly, this is obviously based off of lack of scoreboards and everything else that you could say again about the so live gubbing Spain.

We had no clue that it was going on. We were standing on the 17th tea. We honestly thought that we're still going to win. Yeah. I know. You guys were like kind of another analogy for women's golf at large. You're right. I know you guys were like, kind of another analogy for women's golf at large. Shit. You're right, though. T.C. that head wall.

She had sat the first three sessions. She lost her, her only match, uh, uh, what would have been four ball Saturday afternoon. Like was, was the most controversial pick was the, the, as far as world rankings go, had the worst world ranking of any captains pick, like, but totally validated her selection. And like really validated, I think,

Suzanne Patterson's like philosophy that week. Now, you know, Suzanne may have gotten lucky and that was, that was an amazing stretch of golf fight, Caroline, but God, it was just such a good moment. So that was, that was my number one. Was it enough for her to roll it back for next year? TVD. Yeah, I'm going to have to see how things go next year.

You don't want to try to, you know, you kind of want to leave well alone. I don't always have to well alone. Right. Twice. Yeah. Yeah. It would be a great way for especially because we got Lynn, Brad, come in. We got. We got all sorts of hitters coming up the, you know, the world amateur golf ranking. We got Kaya Tana Fernandez, Garcia, Poggio.

We got Helen Breene. I don't have to tell Randy about Helen. No, we've had her eye on her for a while. Lottie, woad. Some incredible moments though, both highs and lows, Mr. Big. I think we need to discuss, maybe do, uh, I don't know, pull out our test results here. We picked, we had some takes at the beginning of the year. I know you haven't written down here. We did. You want us to go through them.

What did you assign us? Yeah, no, I'm just gonna go through our beginning of the year predictions. And I wanna give compliments where they do. And then I wanna perhaps offer the floor for an apology if people feel warranted. So I have these from like best to worst and T.C. I got to give you props. You were adamant. You said Celine Boudier wins a major this year. And she

did kudos to you, my friend. I know that's, uh, that doesn't even have a fan here. I mean, come on now. She won't. Yeah. That's true. T.C. Are our, how good do you feel about the major being the Evian? Will you accept it to, you know, to validate your prediction? I'll say this. I'll say this. She won the Evian in her home country of France by six shots of a Brook Anderson. Yes. And then I believe she won the French Open. After that, which is her national open, she won the Scottish Open this year, and then she won the Maybank as well. And she won the LPGA Drive-On Classic. She won four times on LPGA. She won...

Playoff too at Drive-On. Yeah, she won on, maybe she didn't win the French Open. But she, you know, just a dominant, pretty dominant year overall from Selene, especially after a really, or leading into a really poor Soul Heimcup performance, which we talked about at length. But no, I'm not apologizing whatsoever. Because, you know what, the question is predicated upon the five majors, not, hey, we'll somebody win one of the three real majors. All right. There you have it. Jordan, I think you can stand in for Jen. You'll remember Jen was on our preview pod. Jen was not I don't remember Jen was not available for a recap pod, but Jen said in no

uncertain terms that she saw a breakout year for Maya Stark in Lingrant. I will say as far as like, you know, if this was a diving competition, this was a much lower degree of difficulty than some of the other predictions. But Jordan, you are welcome to accept Jen's praises for calling a breakout year for my end, Lynn. Yeah, that was that was an excellent prediction. That was a good take. Also, like, I don't know, it. What did you say? Was Lynn, I thought was expecting. So I think I said it to where like, I was like, yeah, Lynn's gonna be top five in the world

or the top player in the world by the end of this year. And I think overall, like Lynn didn't really break out. She won her first, you know, she won an LPGA event, she won a lead event. But otherwise she kind of didn't really dominate. Like it was anticipated. She was still in the mid 20s in the world ranking. Let couldn't come back. She just couldn't come back for.

No, well, she had, you know, she started playing in May on the LPGA. So she had the bulk of the season, you know, but I think 2024, we'll get there. You're buying, you're buying 2024. Oh yeah. Well, Jordan, I'll let you accept praise for another one. Jen also was adamant that Megan Kang, this was the year for her to get a win. She did.

Jen had mentioned perhaps maybe Megan winning the US women's open, which she did not. But she was the cut there. Megan Kang getting a win. It was a long time coming TC. I know that's near and dear to your heart as well But that was a good prediction by Jen Amen the TC you had a good one Europe wins the soulheim again and It's more interesting than the writer cup How do you feel about that prediction?

I thought that, you know, we're calling the retain, we're calling that a win. That's a win. And I thought the Sunday singles, I thought it was a bit more compelling than the Ryder Cup. It was, yeah. And then if you strip out some of the,

you know, the Hatgate stuff, the Ryder Cup's really not that interesting at all, right? Yeah. So yeah, I'd stand by that. I think it was, you know, and Lynn Grant plays well and Lynn Grant did play well. She did. She did. She was, she was their alpha. So, Cody, you had, I didn't quite know how to write this down, but one of your predictions was like an interesting year for Georgia Hall and Charlie Hall, the two most prominent English women. I didn't say it would be a good year. I said it would be interesting.

Yeah. Which I think I think you nailed it. Like it certainly was interesting. Well, it's fire and ice, right? I think that's, that's what you get with those two. They're BFFs till the day they die. Uh, and their play was, was both fire and ice. I'm going to run down Charlie a little bit later, but Georgia specifically, I mean,

she was in that playoff with Celine. She started out the year so freaking hot. She was on, on fire. She was making putts left and right. Then she started to get, you know, she got hurt and then other things got in the way. They, they, of course, those two pulled out completely at the very last second of the international crown left that the proud English team kind of left. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How good. How he's mad as hell in general. If you had told you at the beginning of the year that Charlie was going to have the year and the results that she had, and be like, be in contention in multiple majors, I don't think people would have thought the number one she would have had the mental game to kind of to hold herself in there. And number two, I don't think really her form starting out the year was really pointing in that direction. So both of them disappointed

by kind of how Georgia finished the year off. Obviously a strong showing at Solheim Cup, but it was fire and ice for those two. And, you know, as I always say, happy to see Georgia in love. Jen had another good, I, Jen ran circles around any, you'll notice none of my predictions have come up yet because they were all dog shit. But Jen said one of the really went out on a limb on these two. Wow. She's just tough. She said one of the college girls wins something big.

And I think we got to give her credit for Rose winning her first pro start. I, I think that's kind of what she was alluding to. The strength of the college game and the amateur game. She thought one of those people was going to do something at the LPGA level. And so I'll give her credit for Rose that that was, you know, maybe not again, we're not, these aren't the highest degree of difficulty dives, but she's executing them very well, minimal splash, great entry into the water. So I will give her props for that. Cody, this is an interesting one. Your next prediction was by the end of the year, the entirety of L.E.T. will be presented by a Ramco. I think maybe we just

have to give this a few more weeks, maybe another month or two. I'm curious how you feel about this prediction. It could be the end of the fiscal year. Yeah. You never know. Never know. We're close. We're very, very close to that coming to fruition. So I might have to ask for a little bit of an extension.

They're big, but we'll wait and see. Okay. Your other one was Andrea Lee will win a major bit of a, I don't know, bit of a disappointing year, I think maybe for Andrea. They were right in the high of the fall of last year, a phenomenal victory in Cincinnati and all that stuff. And, you know, up until, like halfway through the summer, like she was having horrible years, She turned it on late. She ended up making enough points, obviously, to get that pick for the Soulheim Cup.

Had a decent Soulheim Cup finish, and I hope that catapult her into some good play. The form that we've seen her definitely in college and at the start of her career. But, you know, there was no major in sight. We get into my predictions here. I said, you're up in the soul of him by at least six points. That wasn't good. I said, Madeline Sackstrom was going to win Pebble Beach. That wasn't good. She missed a cut.

I can remember hitting it in the water twice on number six, the perfect. I knew you were going to go back to that drive on six. It's just, it's just I'm like, what are we doing? What are we doing? Bernie. Bernie. Yeah. TC, you were going to hire Matilda Kastren. You had her winning twice. It was.

Yeah, Randy, I was. I was. I said, quote, Matilda Kastren has a really, really big year. Spoiler alert. Matilda Kastren did not have a really, really big year. Spoiler alert, Toyota Castron did not have a really, really big year. She did have a solo, you can't call it a solo second, she made a teammate at the Dow. She missed a lot of cuts. Didn't, I don't think she had a single top 10 other than the Dow and barely hung on for her car. I think she was like

73rd in the in the CME. She's she's down to 210th in the world right now. So I can't figure that one out. I was buying up all the stock after the Soulheim Cup in 21 and I'll get it. You know, Tc, I was right there with you with our big bold takes. Mine obviously was for the rookie Lucy Lee. I think I predicted her to be rookie the year just to explode on the scene. That was not the case. Lucy didn't even make enough points to keep her card. She had to go back to Q series, luckily played well enough at Q series to retain her card and

we'll be back on the LPGA tour. But I was so far off, but I'm not giving up hope. So if you accept a partial apology there, but the young phenom, that one didn't come through. We had another one, you know, of the young hitters. Well, not young hitters, not our young hitters, but a surprising win. Some of these young hitters, well, not young hitters are young hitters, but a surprising man or the other. Yeah, I mean, we ain't even really talked about her, but it was not Lucy Leesier. Well, it's, I would be, Cody, I think it's good that we're mixing in some big misses in

here because otherwise, it means we're not on the bleeding edge. We're not being bold enough. Exactly. You know, well, my my last, the last prediction was mine and it might be it not only the worst of our bunch, it probably is the worst prediction that anybody has ever made. And that is I said, you got to keep an eye out on Pia Babnick. She's this young Slovenian. She had, and you know, we love our Slovenian. We do see we do. She had very intriguing 2022 was somebody that was making some cuts at some of the majors. She finished third at the 2022 Chevron. And so I thought, hey, this is somebody to keep an eye

on. She's young. She's tall. She hits the ball far. And it was, it could not have been a worse season for her. If I could just quickly read a result in 2023, we go cut, cut, cut, 61 cut tied for 39 cut, cut, cut, cut, tied for 69 cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, deeply, deeply wrong with her golf game. And so that is about as bad of a prediction as anybody has ever made anywhere. So wanted to call attention to that. I think moving on, we'll keep things moving here. I thought it was interesting looking at the top 10 at the start of the year versus at the end of the year. Does anybody remember who was rank number one in the world at the start of 2023? A tie a titty ko? No. No. No. Jordan? Those were my guesses. Yeah. Lydia Co. Lydia Coe. Lydia. Lydia. So the top ten at the beginning of the year was Lydia Coe one, Mediacone, Nelly Corta II, Minji III, Ataya IV, Jin Young Co, Lexi Thompson was sixth, Brook Henderson 7, Inji Chun was ranked eighth, Hujukim 9th, and Nasa Hattaoka 10th.

And if you fast forward to present, we have Lili, the top three all turned over. Liliavu's one, Rooning Yin in is two. Celine Boudier is three. Minji Lee hanging right right there. She's fourth. Nelly Corda only dropped to fifth, you know, as bad as we think things are for Nelly. I have to remind myself like she's still fifth in the world and she had like a ton of top 10s. Um, Jin Young co is sixth. Hujukim is seventh, Charlie Hall, a Tietitikum, and G.Lin round out your top 10. So I thought that was somewhat interesting to reflect on. Okay, I think this is a good time to wrap part one.

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