No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 78: Kyle Porter on Playing Augusta National

Episode Date: April 13, 2017

Kyle Porter literally won the lottery, and got the once in a lifetime opportunity to play Augusta National on the Monday after the Masters. We spend thirty minutes going through the round in great detail,... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 78: Kyle Porter on Playing Augusta National appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is like, like in 50 years, I'm going to be like Gary Plyyer. Like I was, I was, I was on the no-way in out podcast, 354. I was on a more, more times than any other person in the world. Yeah. This is by popular demand though, because you were there at Augusta National covering the masters for the second time Is that right in second time? Yeah in person. Yeah, and you literally won the lottery and Got to got selected to play On the Monday after the master's that we've done a wrap-up podcast on the masters

You've done a wrap-up podcast with Shane baking on the Masters. So I definitely want to start with this. Everyone's dying to hear about what it's like to play a Gus National. I'm sure people have heard you know bits and pieces along the way. But again golf stores are usually terrible. I don't need a whole by whole shot by shot, but I think some people listening to this might want that. But first I want to go back to how you found out that you won the lottery. Yeah, that's a good place to start because you have to put your name in. It's a little bit not underground,

but you have to kinda know what you're doing. You gotta go downstairs, put your name in into this box and then they pull it out. I believe they drew on a Friday afternoon and they announced over the loudspeaker in the big media room that they have drawn the names and that they're posted downstairs. It's kind of like middle school, when you see if you made the team, you gotta go look and see if it's posted. And so I was in the middle of something and I didn't want to appear to eager. Like you don't want to play it cool. You don't want to be like running down the stairs even though literally every person in there wants to run down the stairs. And

so I thought, okay, whatever, I'll go look later. I probably didn't make it anyway. And our buddy Kevin Van Volk and Berg walks up and says, so we're supposed to play in a force them together on Monday with Bacon and Bren and Port Brath. And he walks up and says, so we're supposed to play in a force them together on Monday with Bacon and Bren and Port Brath. And he walks up and just goes, well, we need a new fourth because you're playing against an astronaut Monday. And I said, if you are, if you're messing me with me right now, I'm going to kill you. And he was like, I would not joke about such a thing. And so we, just thinking about that, that's like making me cringe that he would have

joked about that, continue. And so we kind of celebrated about that and then I went downstairs to verify and it's just such a surreal thing because you're in the middle, you're just grinding, you know, over the week, just writing stuff and then like this incredible thing happens in the middle of it. And it didn't really hit me, I don't think, until the later that night when I got back to my house that I was staying at, or maybe even the Monday morning when I was driving to the course,

just because of how many other things are going on. But that was the way that I found out that I was playing. Did you, so how many people enter it roughly, or how many media members are there there? Well, it's hard to So how many people enter it roughly or how many media members are there there? Well, it's hard to know how many people enter it because once you've won it, you can't win it again for seven years. So not everybody, like Sean Martin was there for PJTour.com and he played it, I think, in 2011 or 12.

So he wasn't allowed to reenter. So I really don't know, there's probably a thousand media members there, I don't know, that I'm just throwing a number out there, maybe less, it's hard to know with photographers and stuff, but then I think there was seven groups of four, so 28 people that played the course on Monday. That's not great odds.

Like was anybody bitter, like did you feel like sense of bitterness in people that had entered for many years and didn't get it? Not really, I'm sure there was, but a lot of the people, like I talked to Doug Ferguson, Associated Press, and some, just other people that had been coming obviously forever.

And a lot of them had played it even twice, but most of them had played it at least once. So thankfully, all the people that I talked to, there wasn't a lot of angst or, you know, hatred towards me, but I know of anyway. What's the first thing you did? Like, did you call your wife or what do you do when that happens?

Yeah, I texted my wife and then a couple, well, I think I texted our group chat and then a couple other close friends that, did you texted us before you texted your wife? Probably, yeah, I think I might have actually. and then a couple other close friends that... Did you text us before you texted your wife? Probably. Yeah, I think so. I think I might have actually. I think I did.

I really did. Did you have to move a flight around? Oh yeah, oh yeah. I didn't even wait to find out what time I, so here's the thing. I didn't want to, no matter what time my tea time was because you don't know until later on, I didn't want to be thinking about my flight at all.

My flight was at 430, so even if I teed off like at seven in the morning, I just didn't wanna think about it. And so I moved it to like 930 that night so that I knew I would have plenty of time to get there. But that was like 200 bucks to do that. It could have been 2000, I don't really care. Like it didn't matter.

You're paying that fee, That's not even a question. Yeah. How did you possibly focus on the remaining two days of the event when you had that looming? Well, that's what Bacon came up and said, I'd like to make an announcement to everyone. Cow Porter is going to write nothing good for the rest of the week.

And it was true. It's very difficult to, I don't know, I was lucky in that it was like. It's very difficult to... I don't know. I was lucky in that it was like a really good ending. Like the weekend was awesome. I felt like so you're pretty locked in. And then after I found my last thing on Sunday night, it's like I'm just totally ejected.

Like I didn't write anything on Monday. I didn't think about anything on Monday. And that, I mean, that was obviously all I was looking forward to. Did you sleep at all on Sunday night? Well, we were up. We were staying at this little house, about 30 minutes away, with a ton of people, and we're hanging out, just spewing takes, just flaming takes at like 2.30 in the morning,

and poor Ath and Bacon and Van Volk and Baruch, bro, good a bed. You need sleep. I said like I set five alarms I think on my phone. And my tea time wasn't until 1130. So I wasn't I wasn't worried about that. But I didn't want to be out there like groggy and just you know how your body feels like really tired when you stayed up till 4 in the morning? I didn't want to feel like that walking around Augustus. I got plenty of sleep. I did wake up, like I could not, I woke up at like 6.45 and could not go back to sleep, because I was just giddy about the day. So that, I mean, that part of it was just, it was impossible to go back to sleep. So we joked about it on the preview podcast. I asked you

if you were bringing a scripting or what you were doing for scripting. You brought a scripting, you were ready for it. Well, I was concerned because the only hat I brought was an Oakmont hat. So I didn't know if that was a faux pas to wear like another club's hat to Gaston. But one of the guys that I played with

wore a Pine Valley shirt. And so I figured that I was okay. I was safe with the Oakmont hat. But yeah, it's such a like a top 100 course guy move to where the Pine Valley shirt at Augusta, I respect that though. Yeah, it was a power play, but yeah, I had the scripting laid out.

I felt like it looked a little mat-coutureish with the light blue and the light yellow and the dark blue pants. I was concerned about that. I went back and forth on it, but that was a, I bought that Polo this week at the Masters and the Pro Shop. So I decided to go with it, anyway. So when you show up, like people, you know, the players,

caddies and whatnot when they show up with the masters, everyone notes how everyone, like everyone working there knows who everyone is and I even heard like within the press center this year, like your people are, when you're getting ready to ask a question in a press conference, the moderators know your name and whatnot. When you arrived on the scene, did people like know who you were and were waiting for you or what's it like driving up Magnolia Lane, how do you get to where you need to go? Yeah, it's very structured and everything is planned out and the security guard, you've got a list, you're on it, you're either honored or you're not. If you're on it, you drive down you know, you've got a list, you're on it, you're either on it or you're not. If you're on it, you drive down the down Magnolia lane, which is, which is just the coolest.

And then you, you get up there and, um, people, you know, take your clubs out of your car and, uh, it, it's a very, it's a very first class, obviously experience. But I thought the coolest part, and I guess it does such a good job of this. I've just treating you like you are a member there for the day. And that was really, they don't have to do that. Like that's just a, and I think people saw this in the way they did the media center. They are very adamant about, hey, the media is important. People writing about our event is important.

And I think that that's something that has always been important to them there and it's not like that everywhere. I think that you know other places you go it's like we got to put up with the media or whatever and that's not necessarily the or it's not at all the case there which I think is really cool and just I think the Monday outing just kind of caps that off of how well they treat you there. And I don't know, to me, that's, as a media member, that's really special. And I think we're all obviously really appreciative of that. That's what, I mean, Augusta's got a very long, deep, confusing history as far as, you know,

not allowing women members and race issues in the past. However, the only time I've been there, I was blown away at how genuine it felt that they wanted the people attending to enjoy the event. Yeah. It's a real thing, and it's not like, I don't even know how else to describe that other than, I mean, everyone knows about the Concessioning Stan Prices

being cheap and that code of, you know, you set your chair down, it's going to stay there and whatnot. So it doesn't surprise me to hear that they want you to walk away from that saying the things that you're saying about it. Yeah. And what Bay kind of now are talking about that. I think that the guest of thing gets, it's a little overwrought. It's a little kind of, I don't know, people just get crazy about it,

but they're members and the people that put on the event, they are genuine about just protecting the tournament, protecting the experience of the tournament. That's a genuine legitimate thing, and I think that make, people say what they want, but that makes for a really just tremendous experience for the patrons, for the media, for the players, for everybody. And I don't think it's definitely not like that everywhere. And so I think people get crazy about it, but I certainly appreciate it.

I think it's awesome. So they give you a card that tells you your T-Time. You had 11.30 T-Time. They tell you to arrive at 10.30. Were you like waiting outside the gate at 10.29? Oh yeah, I'm there at 10. Yeah, yeah. I actually drove over and stopped at like a gas station

two minutes away and just, and just, and timed it so that I could be there for every, every... I seriously did that. I believe you. So yeah, I've got everything ready to roll. I've got my GoPro, my just everything, just, you know, perfectly set up so I can get out of the car and get up to the champions' aquarium and get ready for the day. So you walk into the champions' locker room, describe the day. So you walk into the Champions locker room, describe the scene.

It's small. It's really small. And it's just very ordinary. But you've got all these gold name plates on these wooden lockers of some of the best ever. Jordan's Beath and Arnold Palmer together. Phil Mickelson's got his own locker, which was hilarious. I took a thumbs up, Celty, with Phil's locker. There's a shower in there. It's very intimate and there's all sorts of... I think they sent out a photo. I think a guest national has put photos out there, but it's a very just intimate experience with lots of old memorabilia that is just kind of historical stuff to a Gus. So it's a really, I don't know, it's hard to describe.

It's just very, it feels very surreal when you're there, honestly. And so do you, you went there and changed and then you go out to the range, you go to the putting green, what's next? I really actually do care about all of this part of the process. Yeah, yeah, no. So I actually plan this out. So I knew I had an hour and so I thought, okay, I'm going to spend 20 minutes at the pro shop, 20 minutes kind of exploring, just going where, just anywhere, really.

And they're cool about that. You can't go anywhere, but you can walk around and check stuff out, and it was really neat. And then 20 minutes on the range. Well, the pro shop had not put out their ANGC stuff yet, which, I mean, that's what you're there for. You're not trying to buy a master shirt. Like, you could have done that the last seven days.

And so I just skipped that, kind of walked around a little bit, checked out the regular locker room, checked out the dining area, and then went out to the range and met my caddy. I got to say, on the range, didn't miss a shot. And just so locked it. And I think my caddy was like, I think he was excited,

because you don't know what you're getting out there as a caddy. And it went real badly later, which we'll talk about, but it felt, you know, it was great to begin with. And so we just chatted. I didn't hit a ton of balls, but checked out the putting green,

hit a bunch of chips. I was very concerned about the chip in there. Hit some sand shots. So we just kind of hung out and he's got a three-month-old. I've got a four-month-old. So we talked about that. I don't know. You're trying to just drink it all in, because you've only got so much time out there.

So you're trying to touch, not literally touch, but experience every single thing that you can with your caddy, with the other people out there. And I think my attitude generally was just to try to be laid back and just enjoy it, which I think I did pretty well. But yeah, that was kind of the pre-first T-shot routine. A quick break to talk to you guys again about the Callaway Chromesoft Golf Ball. Callaway has been the fastest growing golf brand since 2013. There's a reason you see these guys dominating social media every single day. The Chromesoft Golf Ball has been a major part of that.

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Chrome Soft, it's the ball that changed the ball. And so what are the nerves like as you make your way over to that first T-boss? It wasn't bad until the very moment that I'm standing over the ball and it hits you. I mean, it just hit me like so hard. I'm staring at the ball. I can see the scoreboard with the flags coming up and the back, like off to the right. And it hit me just all at once, right before I'm about to take the club back.

And I just blew on over the scoreboard because I was so just jacked up. Did they introduce, did they do the floor please? Kyle Porter now driving. No, they took that hall, man. They took our picture and there's a bunch of people out there to greet you. I mean, it was a really, just a very professional experience. It was really, really cool.

But yeah, I was scared out of my mind over that first T-shot. So set the scene. What is your handicap? What are your expectations for the day? Within our group chat, we set the over under, I think, at 89.5 for the day for you. What was your handicap? What are your expectations for the day? And within our group chat, we set the over under, I think, at 89.5 for the day for you. What was your ex? I know you probably didn't want to think about a score too much,

but what did you expect for the day? I expect, just from talking to other people that had played, they're expected to break 90. I'm, I shoot between 80 and 90 at pretty much, most places that I play. Unless it's like, when we played Oakmont from the tips, I didn't break 90, but at a normal golf course. Because Augusta from the members' T's is not long, I got the scorecard, 63-65 from the

members' T's. It's pretty short. I think we talked about that on this podcast. And so I just figured that I'd be long enough to make up for some putty and or chipping struggles to break 90. But yeah, I didn't go so well. Like in hindsight, would you have preferred to play it from the members' teas where you did or would you rather play the tournament teas? No, the members' teas.

I think it would have been a slog from the pro. It just would have been like, I think a lot more miserable. Yeah. All right, so you blow the first shot. Yeah, we don't have to go whole by whole, but what are the highlights from the front nine? I guess are the first few holes. How long do you take you to calm down

or did you ever calm down? I think by the fourth T-box, so the par three, the fourth, I had a really good seven iron there and made par, and that was kind of the first time that I was like, okay, I just made par here. You can do this. And then one of the hardest things, and I didn't realize this, you can't know it until you get out there, but every second shot you have is either on like an upslope or a severe downslope. And so Jordan Speed talked about this, I think at Hawaii.

You never have a flat lie. And it makes it, for somebody who doesn't play that often, it makes it really difficult to know when to like choke up just a little or where to put your feet or whatever. So I didn't hit my, I didn't hit my shots into the green that well. I did make a, so on number nine, I hit, I caught the downslip there. I probably hit one, I had like 95 ends. I hit one about 305 or something like that, and just flopped the chip so bad. I didn't even get it up the hill. Didn't even hit the false front.

And go ahead. No, I was just gonna say, because they grow the grass back towards the tee boxes too, right? Does that make it more difficult to make contact with the ball, was what I was gonna ask? Yeah, yeah, it is. It's just, it's beautiful, but it's very different than hitting on even like a regular nice course.

So anyway, I chip over on the ninth ring, and then I made a 50 foot putt coming back off the, like from the fringe for par on number nine. So that was pretty awesome. It was gonna go, it's probably gonna go down the hill, like if it didn't go in, it was gonna, I was gonna have to chip back up, but it caught the cup and went in. So that was pretty awesome.

So what's the speed of the greens? Like did they cut them that morning or did they let it go after probably having it, you know, super fast for Sunday? Yeah, I think they let it go because it wasn't, I mean, it was fast, but I've played other courses where like Oakmont was probably faster. I think, I played Colonial one time the day before that tournament and that was close. I mean, it was pretty similar to that. So it wasn't, it wasn't obscene.

And I think any putting, like, difficulties that you might have are kind of negated by the fact that you have a caddy. So, like, if you don't have a caddy out there, then you're going to hit the wrongs. Like your caddy is basically telling you, okay, diet right here and then it'll funnel down to the hole. And you don't, I can't read the greens out there. Like I have no idea what I'm doing. It's, that was one thing that surprised me.

You'll have puts that are uphill or that look like they're uphill. Then my caddy is like, hit this at a regular speed because the grain's going this way and, you know, whatever. And so that was tough. Like that part of it would have been impossible without a caddy. I did hit the Rory Cabins on 10. We should probably talk about that.

So what can we talk about how, well, first of all, I was, I could not have been more excited for somebody to play around with golf like I was thinking about it all day and this was the day after the Masters and It was like 530 for me and so I sent like a message to our group saying like I said for please on the T Kyle Porter now driving And as I was going through my evening like I I wish I had to go like shopping for a new rain jacket And I was trying one on it, it wouldn't fit and I was getting frustrated

and I was like, Porter's playing a gust of national right now. Here I am running errands. And for the first time I got upset. Like I was really excited for you. But then about two hours into your round. So I said, I photoshopped your face onto Rory's face of him hitting the shot from the cabins. And so this is probably Porter right about now.

As soon as you get off the course, you come and tell us, yep, you found the Rory cabins on the... Oh yeah. I've pulled a... And it's worse because the teas are so much farther. I pulled a drive so bad on number 10 that I was over there. And one of my playing partners said, hold on, just stay right there. I'm going to take a picture of you and this is the Rory shot and it was so, it was so bad. But I ended up making Quad on 10,

which is just, it was egregious. But then, A-Man Corner, I think that, I wrote this, it's gonna come out, I don't know when you're posting this, but it's gonna come out later this today or this week or whenever. The T-Box on 13 is the coolest spot on the course. I think a lot of people have said that. Pros have talked about that a lot, but it's so serene and so quiet. You just get a different perspective of 11, 12, and 13 that've never literally never seen before. I was gonna say, because that's really the only place you can't get to. Twelve green and thirteen tea are the only places on the course as a fan or a meeting

member you can't get to. Right, right. I just wanted to stay back there and just tea balls up for people walking through. It was so cool to be back there. And then I put on another. Well, you skip past eleven though. I want to hear about eleven and twelve. I want to hear about those shots because 11 the members

T is a totally different hole right yeah, I have three wood on 11 and it almost reached the water like down the left side Is the team set to the left the members teeth in how do you get around that corner? Or is it not much of a corner from that from that angle? I guess yeah, there's really not okay I kind of drew a three wood a little bit and it rolled all the way down to near the water. I had about 100 in or 95 in. I mean, if you hit a decent tee shot from the members' tees, you're gonna have like 95 to 110 into all these holes. Like for somebody like us.

So I had like 95 in, I made a triple from there, which isn't just unbelievable I I hit it in the sand on the back ride and and I didn't have it my cat he goes Yeah, I probably wouldn't go for the pin on this one He's got the custom to your game at that point. Yeah, yeah, he was not as delighted as he was like two and a half hours So I pitched out and like three put I don't know what I did. It was bad. And then the groups kind of,

you kind of bottle necks at 12 because obviously everybody's taking pictures. And I mean, it's where you want it to bottle neck. Like you want to just hang out there. Right. But you got to think about that show. I got to say. It's a longer though.

Yeah, yeah, you do. I was thinking about like the 80 others that I had already hit. The T-shot at 12, like, it looks a little different when you're standing over the ball because that green, like, the green doesn't look that small and then you're standing over it and you're like, oh, that's pretty small.

Like, I don't, I don't really know where to land this. And I hit, I think I hit a nine iron from, it was 140, it was probably like 147 or something like that. And hit it to the middle of the grain, but it spun back to front left. And so you have to put through the collar and I three putted from there,

because it's just, you have to, I mean, it's really kind of a, if you're on front left and the pins front right or your front right and the pins front left, it's a crazy difficult put. So yeah, I made Bogey there. I mean, at any point during the stretch, do you, while you're playing the shots or anything,

do you forget kind of where you are or do you kind of come out of the fact that, this is like the one of the most hallowed places in the entire game or are you totally aware of that the whole time? No you're aware of it the whole time. I mean it's it's kind of eerie to be there without any other people there because the only time you the only time I've ever seen it is with you know tens of thousands of, even early in the morning when you're out there, we used to go out as fans and set up our chairs and being there early, it's more peaceful, but there's still a ton of people everywhere.

And so it's so like, it really is surreal to see a place like that empty. I mean, I think I said this in our chat, but it's like going to like the best movie ever without anybody in the movie theater. And it's just like a, it's a weird feeling, but it's also amazing. And yeah, you don't really, I mean, I think if you're like grinding over a putt, like you can maybe forget about it,

but then you look up and you're like, oh yeah, you know, this is where I am. So what did you do on 13? There's like a few hole, like 13, 15, 16 or all holes, I need to hear the play that I play on. 13, I hit three wood into the pine straw and I think my biggest regret of the day is not hitting driver off that tee and trying to cut the corner.

Is it look doable from that? From that? Yeah, okay. My caddy's just handing me a three wood because I think he was like, you're ejecting and I don't want to be part of it. So I hit three wood into the pine stront and then I pulled a three wood off the property

and then I hit another three wood from, he was like, you should hit another one from here. It was basically the Michelson shot like through a couple of trees and I Hit a three put a three wood over the grain so I finally just walked up there and dropped and Chipped up and and one putted for like a double or triple or whatever I think 13 was the most frustrating part of the day for me because I really wanted to play 13 and 15 well

Just because those you know like those are the stories, right? Like, nobody cares what you did on like seven people, we want to hear about 13 and 15. And if I had one hole that I could do over again, it'd be that one. So take us through the 15th hole. Yeah, 15 is. So I took out a little frustration on 14 and 15 T-Box, hit two really good drives and my drive on 15 ended up, you're about 50 yards ahead of the master's tease, but my drive on 15 ended up, I was 191 out and so I was about two feet from Sergio's divot on Sunday.

So I'm just, I'm just roaring strutting up to this ball. Like just, I am just out of my mind. I'm just, I'm thinking like, I'm gonna make a freaking eagle a gusta. And I flipped, I had Bacon's GoPro. I flipped it to my caddy and said, this is like my favorite shot on the course. Would you, would you video it?

Would you, would you shoot me taking it or taking the shot? And he said, oh yeah, of course, he's like, this is my favorite shot too. So I get up to it and I stood over the thing for like 45 seconds. It was awful. How long I stood? Because I'm just thinking of like the thing

that you don't want to think, but you can't help but thinking is I will literally never have this shot again in my life ever. And I just wanted I wanted to stick it close so bad. And so I take it back and I just laid the saw to it. It was it was awful. You were playing you were playing the celebration. You were going to twirl and chase it.

Oh, I was going to run after it. I was already twirling as I took it back. And it didn't even get within 40 yards of the water. I mean, it was so bad. And I went back and my cat he goes, well, I hate it when that happened. Yes. He hadn't checked out yet on you.

Yeah, now he should have. I ended up pitching it up or hitting it up with the sand wedge from there and two putting for par. But it was, it was just, if I could have one shot back, it would be that one. Just because I love, like, there's been so many cool memories of guys over the years, walking up that, you know, the incline on 15, standing on top of that hill and hitting career changing shots. And like, I wanted to, that was the shot that I wanted to hit well and it was just so bad.

So yeah, that was frustrating, but then I went to 16 and I hit a ball about two feet from the Saturday pin, which is, it's impossible to do. You can't do it. You can't get to that spot. And my caddy said, you could have sold that shot on Saturday for $100,000 to somebody.

And I said, yeah, I know, but I wish it would have caught the, you know, caught the ridge and come by down. So my put on 16, I actually kind of turned my back to the hole and put it back towards the tiger tree and just kind of died it at the ridge and it went all the way down and it still went five feet past. And I made that one coming back for par.

So I parbed 15, 16, 17, which I was really excited about and then finished up with a bogeon 18. But we had an awesome group. Like that really, I think that kind of makes your round like who you're with. We had Mike Johnson group. That really, I think that kind of makes you round, who you're with. We had Mike Johnson from Golf Digest, who actually played in a US Amateur back in the, I think he said 70s.

And then a couple other guys, one of our guys, shot 79, which was really impressive. And then another guy that was there also. So it was just all time, just the greatest day ever. I shot 95, but I didn't care at all. So it was just all time, just the greatest day ever. I shot 95, but I didn't care at all. It was a blast. I was surprised that the course was not, it wasn't difficult.

Like, what I've told people is whatever you shoot at, like if you go to your regular course and say, I played pretty well today. Like if that number I played pretty well today, like if that number for playing pretty well is like, say, 84, like that's what you would have shot if you played pretty well at Augusta. So it's not, it wasn't super difficult because of where the members tease were and because you had a caddy helping you out.

Right. Yeah, I mean, for those guys, those pros are hitting like four iron into that green. You're hitting, like you said, you're hitting seven iron and those par five's become four and a half's really for us. So I'm acting like I know a lot about playing for the member season at Gus National, but I've seen the scorecard and yeah, it seems quite doable and I've talked to,

I have a family friend that's played there and he says it's like, yeah, I mean like 11 you, it's not nearly the same hole as what they played. But I mean, it's kind of it'd be fun to play Augusta with that kind of advantage, right? Like you said, if you play it from the tips, that's probably not that fun for you. I almost, I mean, I would like to obviously like to play it from both, but it would probably be more enjoyable. Like, if you get the chance to go after 15, get the chance to go after 13, stuff like that. But was there any part of it

that was maybe even slightly overrater, kind of like you would build a certain part up in your head and you're kind of like, oh, I mean, that's a little different than what I thought it would be like. That would mean not really. Didn't think so. Yeah.

Yeah. The one thing that's different is, and Mike had he was talking about this, but right after the tournament, and Mike had he was talking about this, but right after the tournament, and you don't notice this ever, but a lot of the course is kind of worn down from people walking there and putting their chairs there all week. And it takes, obviously, to get that grass to, you know, be lush again. But, I mean, that's really the only thing, like the wear and tear from the tournament is

the only thing that is probably something that you wouldn't expect to see just because I had never really thought about it. And what about underrated something that kind of surprised you? You didn't realize you had that kind of respect for something out there maybe. Yeah. Yeah, I just underrated is, I've always thought that a man corner is a little bit overrated. Yeah. Just because people it's kind of like, well people just talk about it a lot.

It's got a name. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just kind of like mainstream popular and say, whatever, you know, but it was it was pretty awesome. Like it was awesome to I went I walked back and stood on the, the master's T's at 13 and we took some pictures back there and it's just such an intimate, like cool spot to stand at. So you wrap up how long did it take you to play?

Oh, like eight hours. No, it was that we'd eat off that. I actually, after I parted 17, I was three in a row, and I went to my cataclysmic, could we play 18 more? Is that frowned upon here? It took us, we'd eat off at 11.30, and I think we got done at 4.45, so. Yeah. It's to be expected.

No one's in a row. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you shouldn't. No no no the what'd you do after the round After the round I took a shower in the champions locker room because I don't literally never happen again Took some took some photos with my no laying up shirt on expand the brand and Yeah, just drove back down the night no a lane re entered the real world And yeah, just drove back down Magnolia Lane, re-entered the real world.

It's just a, I don't know, I wrote about this, and I think I wrote about it more personally and intimately than I can speak about it. But it's just a really surreal, incredible experience that I know a lot of people will never get to have, and so I'm really grateful for it. And I don't say that in an arrogant way or anything. I just, I think people know that but I'm super just grateful to have been able to do that.

Yeah, I mean that's what made it kind of fun for all of us is we knew how much you appreciated it, how much you would enjoy it, and kind of following it. And from afar, I was very genuinely excited for you, and to hear the recap is, it's exciting, man. It really is. I mean, it's an insight into something, like, exactly what you said. Not a lot of people are not never going to get to do that. I don't picture myself ever getting that opportunity, but if it happened, man, I would be probably as giddy as you sound talking about it.

So. Yeah. Yeah. If it happened man, I would be probably as giddy as you sound talking about it. So yeah, yeah, it's yeah It's an all-time experience and a really cool of Augusta to you know do that for for the media members and everything So what was your best tour saw us move? I Torrell did pretty hard on on number four. Yeah Like real hard. I was twirling on I I was twirling on, I hit every, part of three green, I think. I was twirling on every part three. I think I, after I hit the putt on nine, I kind of just raised my hand and, you know, there's like three people at the three people. So that was that was pretty good. I did the shot on 15 after I after I said they needed two caddies to come in and replace the divot. To carry the divot back to its original

resting place, but I looked back at the at the ground like it was like I had a bad ball. Yeah, like I had a bad lie or some mud ball. It's like the cleanest fair lab ever played on it. And I just stared back at the ground. Like it was, you know, it was for it and caused my 50-yard chunk. So yeah, I did, on 16, I tried to will my ball down the ridge a little bit So I was a little little tour saucy, but yeah, mostly the club throws I was pretty insistent on having some good club throws good. I'm proud of you

Yeah, I think that wraps the actual round. I do want to talk to you a bit about Covering the masters in person. I've never done it. Obviously. I've only been Augusto once in my life But do you it's got to be the most unique event to cover with today's technology. Even for the press, you can't take your phone out on the golf course. You are completely in the dark, just like all the other patrons out there, as far as what's going on. The thought of that drives me nuts.

That fear of not knowing where to go exactly and my following the best story, does do you get any kind of anxiety being out there trying to figure out what to do? Yes, all the time. It's so, and you kind of accepted over after a while my first round out there, I was just, it was like being off of drugs or what I imagine being off of drugs is like,

cause you're just like shaky and like so anxious about, and it's such a weird thing. Like I realized that sounds like a ridiculous thing to say out loud. But you have no input and you have no output in terms of information. And that's like the whole deal, right? It's like having, like we deal in having information and

distributing it. And you can't do that out there. And so you kind of just accept it after a while. We had a team of people running our live blog and doing all that stuff. So I'm glad for them. So you're, so I'm kind of out there just like collecting notes, collecting info to, because I know that I'm going to do a bigger, longer piece later on. But it's way different than covering a US Open or a PGA championship. Or even when we were at the Ryder Cup, because I can fire off pictures of you chasing down Ian Polter at the Ryder Cup.

That's coincidence. Whereas I can't, obviously, the masters. But it's also cool because everybody is just the same out there. We're following a group of Jordan Speeth and Ricky Fowler right next to Aaron Rodgers. The press is all with all the patrons. It's just a very, I don't know, everybody's just sort of the same and chasing around the golf and watching it and taking it all in together. So I do like that part of it.

But as a media member, as a journalist, it makes it difficult sometimes. Do you, so like you said, there's no special viewing places for the press anywhere. Like you are just, I mean, other times you can't get to somewhere where you need to be able to, like you need to write a story about what you're doing. Do you ever get to somewhere where you can't see what's happening?

Yeah, 18, I mean, I tried to watch Sergio and Rose coming up 18 and it was, I almost got on poor ass shoulders to see the, to see what was going on. There are a couple of grandstand spots where you can go up with your press badge, but at the times that you're going out there, those are also like other people can go out there too, like I think members and families and stuff like that. So by the time you

get out to 12, those bots are taken. You're not getting out there. We didn't really do that very much. It is difficult. I don't think it's as difficult as you might think. I've never done it with Tiger. I think that would be impossible. But because everybody's pretty spread out, and there's not a ton of people out there, it's probably a little bit easier than it seems, but coming up 18 was impossible on Sunday. Yeah, because I mean, you basically have to pick what kind of story you want to go for. Like, I don't know, I don't even know what you did Sunday, but like if you went out and

followed Speedfowler, like you were ended up disappointed, Like that was not the story, but you can't really know. You can see the scoreboards, but they're not. It is totally current. And you hear the roars, I would imagine, coming from all different directions, gotta be like, what should I do? What should I do? And you don't have the information to follow it.

I mean, just thinking about that kind of gives me a bit of anxiety. Do you ever want to just sit in the press center and watch it all on TV and fold from there? Yeah, I do, but then I'm like, I'm at the master's. I know. I'm gonna go sit in the press center and watch it all on TV and fold from there? Yeah, I do, but then I'm like, I'm at the master's. I know, I'm gonna go sit in the press center. And I did that on Sunday for the front nine because you want to get at least an idea of what to do.

Yeah, who's ejecting and what the story is? Because last year, the story was speed, no matter what, right? Like if he wins or if he loses a story speed. And so that's sort of how I felt about Sergio this year once he went to the back nine tied for the lead. Well, and it was Sergio or Justin Rose. So you kind of use the media center to leverage what you're going to do out on the course. But I just, if I'm in the media center down the back nine on Sunday, it's like, I think I won't be at home.

Like, you know, why is CBS even sending me here? So, I might miss it one of these days, but I'm gotten it both times. I've been with Sergio this year and Speed last year, but yeah, you just kind of, you just gotta pick somebody and hope that that ends up being the story. Had you officially given up on Sergio

and if you did, at what point did you give up? Yeah, he crosses the bridge on 13 into the pine straw that's, I'm ejected, I'm out. What do you put his odds at, or percentage chance of winning at that moment? I don't know what the math actually says, but if I said 99 out of 100 times, he loses that, is that accurate?

I'd say it's less than that. Yeah, I'd say like 97, 96. I mean, it's still high. Like, it was just so improbable, not, and not even necessarily because of him. Like, if William McGurth is in the fairway on 13 next to Sergio and not Justin Rose, then I would think differently about it.

But it's Justin Rose. It's not like he's, you know, he's an amazing player and he's just money down the stretch at so many tournaments. And so it was the combination of Sergio going bogey-bogey into the woods as well as Justin Rose being in the middle of the fairway on 13. Like, run that back, I mean, yeah, run that back a hundred times, and I bet Justin Rosewind's 95 of them, I really do. Yeah, do you think we kind of lose in our Sergio excitement, lose a bit of perspective on how, is it fair to say, Rose let it slip away?

Yeah, kind of. I think that's true, but also Sergio missed a put on 16. Sergio missed a put on 18 that he could have made. Rose missed a put on 13 and 17. Can I say that real quick? Can I say on that real quick? Because I know people were reacting quite harshly to Sergio's those two misputs. I didn't think either of those putts were easy. And when you factor in the putt, he made on 13, 14, 15. It's hard for me to look at those two putts and not say that's just kind of evening out. You know what I mean? I know it came at the end,

but I don't view, that putt on 16 was the wrong, it was close as he hit it, the wrong place to leave it. That left to right kind of downhill putt. And then 18, it looked ugly. The putt did not come close at all it's but it's not I repeat some people say I'm not baking said it was five feet I thought it was like a good eight feet like it was not a not a give me by any means so sorry I had to get that in there but I don't feel like either those puts were really Sergio letting anything get away yeah but I think when you compare them to the the puts that rose missed at 13 and 17,

you could say this, like I feel like those were equal to what Sergio did. Like you could have made them, but you missed them. Like it wasn't, I didn't think Sergio's was any more egregious than those. I just, I don't really know what I'm saying anymore, but I just thought they both misspuds that they could have and maybe in some cases should have made. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just think back to, I don't have the play by play in front of me,

but Rose letting that birdie get away at 13 and then the miss at 17 and then the bogey and the playoff in 18. Yeah, I mean Sergio played an incredible coming down this stretch. And Rose hits, I mean Rose birdied 16. that was some stones on 16 and that birdie 15 and then After a 10 made that eagle Yeah, but

Can we can we put the net you guys? I don't listen to the Monday podcast yet But can we put the narrative of cutting wins the masters to bed? Yeah, it's been dead for a really long time. Really long time. I mean, it's those greens. I don't know. It sucks. Do you guys get it in the press center?

Do you get the strokes gain stats? Yeah. Okay. So who dominated on the greens for the week? Ricky Fowler. Really? Yeah. He was, uh, he mentioned that on the Bacon pod.

But he was number one going into Sunday, and he finished like 50 seconds on Sunday, and he still finished number one on the week. Who, where did Sergio and Rose rank? I don't even know. I don't think they were top 10. Well, okay. But they were, but they were the top three in Greens and Regulations, Sergio, Justin Rose, Paul Casey. Yeah, Paul Casey, one two and six in the final, final leader board.

So I just, I don't know, like putting can win the masters, but it's not like a, it's not a hard and fast rule. And then the other, the other narrative, like, and I just get sick of this generally. And we've talked about this a ton, but you know, Sergio choking down the stretch and whatever like, I was thinking about this. How many, how many real chances has Sergio had to win major championships? Like not, not okay. He finished in the top 10. Like we, and I do this a lot.

Like I throw around the 22 top 10s. Go back and look at how many of those real Sunday chances to win it. It's not that many. Yeah. a look at how many of those were real Sunday chances to win it. It's not that many. Yeah, and it's not that many though because he had quite a few Sundays that he was in it and just completely peed it out. Like he was like one shot back of Tiger and O6 and I don't know how I don't remember how bad Tiger beat them, but it was bad. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like on Sundays, like he hasn't he hasn't been within. I bet he hasn't been within two or three of the lead, but I don't know, five times.

The O7 open obviously, he went, but I think that's his only 54 whole week. So I just get sick of the ulcer, geocant, clothes way up. The reality is he hadn't put himself in the position to close that often. And I don't know, I was just glad that he did it the way that he did it at the very end with the birdie and beating somebody like Rose. I mean, that's a legit thing. Yeah, I'm not obviously not the biggest Justin Rose fan, but I think I probably should get on some Twitter props, not that it matters at all what I say, but he was a classy dude at the end there.

He genuinely happy for Sergio. I know the crowd was rooting for Sergio, which is such a rarity for an American golf event. I had to be a tough, tough experience. I think what comes with, he's won a major before, and I know I said before the day, this means the most for Sergio. This is kind of career defining for Sergio. Speed has a major. Fowlers 28 I still strongly believe he's gonna win majors. I mean you know Rose has his US open for Sergio. This is like this is I don't say this is it but this is huge for him.

Yeah. But there's no tournament that comes, there's nothing like, no more benefits that come with winning a tournament that come with like winning the Masters. Just that whole champions dinner, the green jacket, and being able to come back there forever. Like there's a, I don't know, do you take a straw ball? Would you rather win the US Open of the Masters?

I don't think it's gonna be close at all. Like the Masters is, there's a reason why everyone wants to win that. To lose that in a playoff, if you're making bo Bogey on 17 and being close in prior years as well, that just, that has to sting. It really, really has to sting. And I kind of feel for him. Yeah, I'm a, like, I feel like I'm a little bit on an island here.

I'm a big Justin Rose fan. Like, I guess I understand why people kind of dislike him, but I think he's a great player who has a really cool life who is really kind to people and has always been generous to the media and has insightful things to say. Like, I just don't really get why people don't like him. I think he's got a cool swing. Like, I like the way he plays. He's got, I don't know if you know this, he's got a gold medal, which is pretty awesome.. I've heard that. But yeah, I just, I'm a big rose guy.

I really like him a lot. It's not, he on the guys that I, I don't know, I wouldn't say I dislike him. It's not anywhere near like ZJ Bubba, Territory, Territory at all. Like not even, is it the shades? The shades are just kind of funny to make fun of. I don't just, I mean, it's just kind of my thing. There's not much to comment on when it comes to him. So I go for the shades.

That's really all I have. But I don't know. Some of the comments he's made in the past, he just kind of, I forget, wait, I think it was Silverado a few years ago, where he said, like, you know, this course doesn't know I'm a major champion, you know? What, what, what, what, what, what,

is that even, that even me, man? At the rider cup when he said that the pins were like the, what are they saying? The whole the whole circuit. You two easy or something like a pro and the setup was similar to a pro. Yeah, and he shot like a 73. No, it's it's it's not as strong this like I just I would of the four guys in that final four group I definitely he was the fourth guy that I wanted to win the last guy that I wanted to win so I don't know it was an awesome awesome masters. Where does it rank like?

Historically for you as a viewer a fan watching as far as not from non tiger masters as far as with some of your one of your favorites Like masters only are all majors. Masters I was saying I compared it to Phil O4. I still think Phil takes the cake on that one, but that was probably the best most enjoyable finish to a master since that one for me. Yeah, I mean if you like back I think it was the last time since O9 maybe I read I think Justin Ray had that in terms of last time somebody's had a putt or two got both guys have had a putt and in the final group to win it at the

very end so I mean if you look back at the last two years we've gotten good masters but they haven't been as dramatic at the end so for me it's up there with I really I thought Phil and 10 was pretty great. But yeah, I mean, we talked about this beforehand. We've gotten some kind of lackluster master champions in the last 10 years, and Sergio is definitely not that, and the Indian delivered. It was, I thought the Indian was right there with Adam Scott and Cabrera in the playoff in 13, but I thought the entire afternoon was far better than what we got in 13 with those two.

I almost tweeted this this weekend, I'm really glad I didn't because I've, I almost said how depressing is it that in the last six years that Bubba's the only American to have won the Masters? Like I completely forgot this beef one. That's it. Well, it would have been like, I get all time. Well actually, like, I'm really in responses immediately.

My brain was fried the entire week. I dedicated way too much time to watching the masters. I couldn't even like think. And there wasn't like much to say down this stretch other than just like type exclamation points because it was so crazy how it was all unfolding. That moment on 15, that's gonna stick with me, man, to hit that shot from the top of that hill, to graze the stick and nail the eagle putt

to come back and win the masters. That does not get any better than that. It really doesn't. So this whole year is downhill after that. Do you? Go ahead. I'll never forget the shot on 15. That was the moment of the week for me,

because we were up there Kind of next not next to but like close to Sergio and so to experience from that angle what he was seen in terms of everybody Just erupting on 15 and 16 and we didn't we couldn't see the ball So you didn't know where it was but to but to have that experience from that angle I mean in in the swing that he put on that, and that he held it for forever. It was just, I don't know, that was an incredible show. I mean, there was a career changing shop for him, and it was cool to watch it. So there's three other things I want to ask you, then I'll let you go.

Do you understand, I know, Patrick Harrington came out and kind of said some things about Sergio this week where he called him a sore loser. And that's a guy that's been in the cauldron with Sergio. So I really value his opinion on that. And I'm glad that he said the things that he said. He's not really seemingly forgiven Sergio for the past. Do you understand people that still dislike Sergio? Not fans, really. I feel like if you're a fan and you're holding on

to Sergio, hey, you're just kind of like, not paying attention to the last five years. One of my friends, Carson Cunningham, who's a sports reporter in Oklahoma, he brought this up. He said, Sergio for him is kind of like Kobe. Like, he was really likable He said Sergio for him is kind of like Kobe. Like he was really likable at the beginning of his career and then he became sort of like hated in the middle. And then at the end you started to appreciate and like him again. And I thought that was a really

good career arc parallel. I don't think that Sergio historically is as good as Kobe as a basketball, but in terms of personality, I thought that was a really good parallel. And I think he became a tragic figure. Like, how likable was he at the Ryder Cup talking about, you know, I certainly know I don't have any majors. And like, he seemed in his press conference after the Masters, so like, at peace,

that it was almost like his fan. It was almost like Adam Sarson needed the Sergio major more than Sergio actually needed. And I'm not calling out. I mean, any of his fans like, he just, he didn't really seem to need it. Now I'm sure he's delighted with it, but I don't know. I think Sergio is incredibly likable and you want unique figures in golf and that's what he is. Do you have any major takeaway? Does anything change for you on your outlook on speed based on this week?

No. He just ran out of gas. I know I got vaporized for that take in our chat, but I think he expended so much energy on Friday afternoon and Saturday that he just, he didn't have it on Sunday. It was weird. His take on it afterwards was weird because he said he's never felt more calm or more in control at Augusta. And he shot at 75. And it was like, well, I don't really understand, like, I don't know. I don't know if he just didn't hit any puds or what happened, but I don't, I don't take

away anything besides the fact that he's finished in the top 15 for straight years. I did find, I think he said something afterwards like, you know, I'll get to come back here for the next 50 years. It seemed a little to me like he was kind of deflecting some of the potential criticism, you know, like kind of reminding people like, I've won, and it's fair because he should not be criticized for finishing T11 at the Masters, especially considering his history, but it's kind of like a, I've won one of these. Remember that guy is like, don't say anything about my performance on this Sunday.

Did you, did you hear that quote, see that quote, or do you, am I imagining that? No, he gets a little, he gets a little short sometimes. And I think that he wants everyone else to have the perspective that he has. Yeah. And he tries, and he tries to to have the perspective that he has. And he tries to force that upon people a little bit. And right, I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same. I probably would, but it doesn't come off, I think, as well as he intends it to. And then lastly, our guy, Rory, and he take away from this week.

Really good question, really big, like detailed question. I'm asking talk about talk about I just I mean that the drives that he's hitting he should not be I mean he should be In contention on Sunday, and he's just he's not hitting good second shots He's really not you know, I thought this year was important for him because he didn't have I think it was like six of the last seven years. He's had at least one round of 77 or worse and he didn't this year My thing on Rory is this I think that you know people keep saying over the next 10 or he's getting you know He's got 10 or 15 chances. You got he's got 20 more chances at this and it's like yeah, maybe But here's the reality. He's gonna get two or three or four

real shots at it over the next 10 years like really like leading by one with eight to go or leading after 54 holes or something like that and he's got to capitalize on those because you're not you're not gonna get you know you're not gonna be in the hunt 10 times over the next 10 years on Sunday but you're gonna get two or three or four of them and you gotta take advantage of at least one. And I think he knows that and I think that I think he will. But I don't know, it's gotta be frustrating for him to hit 400 yard drives and make par. Like it is just, you know.

I try to talk about this on the recap pod and I know you haven't listened to it yet and I don't think I did a great, first of all it's three o'clock in the morning when I recorded it. I left 15 seconds of dead air between the intro and when we started talking because I literally posted it 3-3 in the morning after that masters but I'm trying to make the point that I'm not sure how much hitting it 390 at Augusta gives you an advantage and what I mean in that it's such a,

it's hard to make this take, such an emphasis on the second shot on that course that if you're hitting wedge into 14, or whatever he's hitting into two, like let's take the second hole for example. When he was getting down that hill hitting a mid-iron into it, one of the days he laid back and hit three but from the top of the hill and I think he hit it on the green. I don't remember exactly what happened, but it was kind of like a, you don't have to

play from super far down the fairway to put yourself in a good position after two shots. Does that make any sense? My point is, I don't think the course sets up that great for him or somebody like DJ that are the true bombers, whereas somebody like Sergio Rose and it's easy to default to those two that just finished one and two, but somebody like speak as well that just manage the ball more off the tee rather than bomb it and are maybe more in control with their distance with their irons are at a big advantage at Augusta. Does that make any sense what I'm saying? Yeah, but why is there no difference

between hitting foreign and pitching way to do this too? That's the hard part for me to explain that I can't really get it across. In my head it makes total sense, but I don't know how to say it. Like, I don't know. I mean more like hitting it from 165 or sitting from 140 like on 14 per say Doesn't give you that much of an advantage to hit it from 140 the way that you can't really like the way the greens have

It played last couple years. You can't really spin the ball in there You can't so these guys maybe aren't necessarily used to when you're hitting a wedge into a green Needing to plan for it to release whereas if you're hitting eight iron from 165, you can, you know, you know what the ball is going to do once it lands and it's more predictable. I don't know. They just kind of the sense I get and the guys that are more in, I don't want to say in control of their ball play, the guys that seemingly get it out of the air quicker. A guy like Rory hits his iron design so high he had a lot of trouble controlling the distance this this entire week whereas I just never felt like Sergio or Rose were gonna miss a shot in a bad place at all coming down the stretch and I don't get the same feeling watching some of the true big bombers out there I don't know if that makes sense but I think his wedge game is just

kind of leaky right now I mean I don, I think that there is a point to be made that like, and this is like a, just kind of a tenant of you and I playing, but hit it to a spot where you're comfortable, whatever distance you're comfortable from. Like, if you, if you like to hit it from 150 in to the green, more than you, then you like hitting it from 135, then take a club off on your, on your t-shot or whatever the case is. And so I don't know maybe maybe that's it and maybe he's not comfortable from 140 or whatever he's got into these greens but it just seems to me like his he needs to tighten up his wedge game and I don't know maybe there's a maybe there's a device that

he could use that a that a number one player in the world has used before to improve his wed game. But I mean, that's all it is to me. I watched him on Saturday. He had a drive on 13 and he had 150 or 60 or something into the green at 13 and he just missed the green at 13 and he just missed the green and it's just seems like just a bad wedge shot you know and and obviously we are huge fans of Ferrari and and think that he is going to win multiple more majors but I think that he would agree

that is that his wedge game needs to be tightened up especially when you're hitting the ball like you are off the tee. plays a gust of national once and has all has it all figured out on how to play it and gives advice to Rory. I set you up for that one. All right, I wasn't playing a going a full hour band but I really enjoyed hearing about Augusta. I think the listeners will enjoy hearing about it as well. Congratulations on another great week covering a major and a life experience of getting to play that course. Yeah, it's, I don't know how to, jealousy is not the right word though, just because I was super excited for it. I'm glad you got that chance. Well, I appreciate that. I've got a piece coming out on it that I hope everyone will read and it's just a really intimate experience that I am really glad to have had and yeah it was an

all-time week it was I feel like I said that after every major Ryder Cup whatever but it's it's been a blast to to cover the sport and to meet all of you guys and to get to hang out at these and I guess we'll be doing that again in about a month at the pire so we're looking forward to that. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. So, well, you're definitely suspended from the podcast at least until then, but I haven't feeling we're gonna be doing some stuff on site that we it's gonna be, it's gonna be fun. Okay, sounds good buddy. Appreciate the time as always. I think going forward we may actually have to have you start reading some of the ads on here because you're on Kyle thank you for the time man and we'll talk soon. Okay, I use an epic driver to go All right, I'm done with that cheers, man That's better than most It's gonna be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! Yes!

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