No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 782: Brian Harman

Episode Date: January 17, 2024

The Champion Golfer of the Year, Brian Harman joins the pod to talk through his win at Royal Liverpool, how his life and playing schedule look after winning a major championship, his experience in Rome as a Ryder Cup rookie and a ton more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Got an interview coming here shortly with Brian Harmon. Want to thank our friends at the hero Dubai Desert Classic for setting us up with this interview.

Brian will be traveling over to play. And that event for the very first time, we talk a little bit about some of the opportunities that come with winning an open championship and having a clear jug and the changes in the FedEx Cup schedule and the PGA tour and how it allows him the opportunity to go to an event he has never been to before. And of course, you can tune in and check out the Hero Dubai Desert Classic this week, January 18th through 21st

at Emirates Golf Club in Dubai. It is part of the first, it's actually the first Rolex series event of the year. RoryElroy, of course, will be there trying to defend his title and trying to become the first person to win this event for the fourth time. It has a $9 million prize fund and is one of the most anticipated sporting events in the UAE, of course, taking place at the iconic Emirates golf club. I once asked David Cannon, the famous golf course photographer, what his favorite place to go is to photograph professional golf.

And he said it was at Emirates Golf Club here in Dubai. It is the 35th edition, the longest running golf event in the Middle East. It is a sustainable geosertified event, also the first in the Middle East and on the Rolex series. Just incredible views, awesome viewing, it's always great morning viewing over here in the United States. If you are an American viewer, you can tune in to watch it on the golf channel as well.

Again, that's January 18th through 21st. Thanks again to them for setting up this interview without any further delay. Here is Brian Harmon. Little new start to the year for you. A little different flow of events you're going to do by for the first time. Tell us about that.

Yeah, I'm stoked, man. I've never been opportunity came up. I jumped on it. I'm really excited to go. I've never been that far. Yeah, everyone's raised, you know, my coach Justin Parsons. He was lived in Dubai for 10 years. So he's going to come. He's super excited. I'm bringing my wife. You know, it's going to be like vacation for us. No kids. We're excited to go. It's a long way to get there, but I'm excited to go. We're going to way to get there, but I'm excited to go. We're gonna get to, I'm sure a lot of things in life have changed in some way, but this, you know,

is this, okay, the combination of a couple of things here, right? This is the first year the FedEx cup starts now in January instead of, you know, in September or whenever it started. And two, coming off a major championship win this past year. I imagine your schedule may look different, your planning may look different. What kind of goes into, you know into deciding to do something like this? I just kind of fit.

I guess I hadn't really had any opportunities like this in the past. So go play a new course. I haven't played much on the DP World Tour, so I'm excited about that. It's a great field. Big players, cool plays, warm weather. I mean, you gotta go do it. But do you usually when you're starting the year, are you thinking, all right, let's not get behind

in the FedEx Cup, like you gotta get the edge. Yeah, for sure, man, that's always been, at least, I mean, this year's a little different, I've been on tour in the long enough now, where I've seen it like go from one or fall, matters, doesn't matter matters yeah usually been worried about the FedEx cup you know we've already been you know it's five months into it so it's gonna be a little bit of an adjustment yeah I'm always worried about the FedEx cup I'm

always trying that's kind of the that's kind of the rub of the year-round stuff and now it's even more important. So, gagging off to a good start. Yeah, it's just that's part of living on tours. You're kind of always worried about something. You're always trying to get out ahead of it, not by yourself to on, but I mean, you don't want to go off to a slow start, that's for sure.

Well, it's no matter what level of player you talk to, like they talk about in some way, talk about eligibility and talk about like retaining status, right? And like, what, you know, I forget, we've had, you know, top 10 players in the world talk about, yeah, winning again gets me guaranteed two more years. And you're like, whoa, wait a second here. That's not fair to you. Yeah, it's always in the back of your mind.

It's what, I mean, there's very few, there's very few guys that have never had to worry about it. So the vast majority of you guys, you're always thinking about it. So I have a little bit of a cushion, certainly helps, but it's not always a good thing. I mean, I've played some real shit golf like with a lot of cushion.

So it's kind of nice, see, I'm trying to not get too complacent. You know, I got a long exemption starting this year. You know, you have to, I think there's a couple different ways either you can slack and not not do what you're supposed to do or, you know, you take it as, you know, some insurance like, well, I got a little while to freewheel it and kind of push the envelope a little bit and kind of see what I can get out of it. I should say, people, I feel like this is when people maybe would start to tinker,

but you don't seem like a tinkerer. You swing at the same level. I am, man, I'm such a tinkerer, bud. I could show you in this barn. I've got every single, I would challenge you to think of a swing gizmo, like a training day that I don't own, I own all of them. Oh, it never looks different,

like you're swinging for ever. No, always kind of trying to do the same stuff, but I mean, that algorithm on Instagram, I mean, it smashes me with, dude, you are not trading it. You are not. I'm the training ed king, but I got all of them. I'm telling you, I've got everyone. You are not the first major champion that has come on this pod and been like, yeah, Instagram

has influenced my swing and like. It has, dude, you can't, I mean, you watch it. It gets, it's like, you know, it's like inception. It just drops the little, the little bread crumbs. And you're like, oh, I wonder fucking so, you should be teaching these things. You should not be picking up. So no, it's a great. What, what, let's nerd out that on that.

What, what is something that you would tinker with? What's something you're working on now or something that, you know, is, is an example of something you fight or that you're always battling. I'm always, I'm always underneath like whenever my irons get off, it's always underneath and I've always been to keep the ball and play really well. I don't hit it super far, but I keep it in play. It's just kind of like the, you know, the slow drip, just go, go, go. And I kind of, I feel like my strength is like, once I kind of get something, I can do it over and over and over and over again. Just kind of like, you know, just kind of wear, wear the golf course down. I feel like I can put a lot of pressure on it.

So, but there's always like a couple of little things that I'm trying to make sure. It's like a litmus test. Like, can I do this with a six iron? If I can't do that, it's like, well, I can't do anything else until I can get it get it just out like so I'm always trying to find different ways To to make myself achieve the same thing It's like once you use up one way to achieve something. It's like it doesn't have the same Potency the next time I don't know if that makes it does it does We're all we're all lunatics man. I mean well, it that makes it. It does, it does. We're all lunatics, man.

Well, it's like a, we're all crazy people. The second you start to, all right, as a swing field might be, like, all right, I'm flaring out my back foot a little bit more, you know, and set up. But like the next day, that might feel more normal, and you might be overflare,

like the adjustment, when does the adjustment stop and when does it become natural? Is something that, at any level, you can't ever master, I imagine. Yeah, it sucks. I mean, stuff just doesn't work every day because your conditions change your body changes a little bit. You don't get us going to sleep. You don't, you know, something's not quite moving the way it was. And so that's why swing thoughts just don't last. But if the themes, like the themes are what I like to focus on,

like, can I hit a full six iron and have it not draw, you know, too much. And when I can do that, then I'm like, all right, I'm in a good spot. Like the rest is kind of up to me. Like, am I how, how's my short game? How's my putting, you know, can I fight the golf ball with a driver? Like, if I can do all those kinds of things, it's like, well, I just got to go to sleep. It's something good to eat. Now I'm ready. Is there something to you've played at so much competitive golf now in your life? There's something to I don't know how to ask this question, right? When you go like compete now, are you able to block out thoughts as to, wow,

if I, if I finished top 10 here, this means this, if I do this, blah, blah, blah, do you have enough experience now where like, you just don't, nothing seems do or die or life or death when you are competing in a round of competitive golf? It's certainly gotten easier. But I mean, those thoughts are very intrusive and I've had lots and lots and lots of them. And the only way that I can temper those thoughts is,

like, I've talked about this a bunch, like, I take the end product, like, all right, like, I wanna win the golf tournament. And then I just go backwards, like, little baby steps, like, okay, how do I, how do I win the golf tournament? Well, I'd like to have a two shot lead. I'd like to be able to bogey last, though, whatever. Well, how do I get a two shot lead?

Well, you know, just, you just keep going backwards and it always ends up like, all right, if I want to win that off tournament, I've got to like, whatever I'm doing right now, I have to do it really well. If I'm practicing at home, I'm chipping at home, if I'm putting at home, or if I'm on 17th hole, that tournament, I have to do this next thing really well. If I do that thing really well, then it'll make the next thing a little bit easier to do really well. And like over time, if you do all those things really well, you'll end up like where you want to be.

That's interesting. It just it helps me like, because I love to, I love to predict the future. Oh, if I can, you know, if I can, if I can just part of this whole, then I can have, you know, whatever. And I don have whatever. And I don't work. I was gonna say, that seems the opposite, right? If the one shot of time, cliche seems to rule the day

for good reason, from what I could tell, right? You can't part. Yeah, it's like, all right, like, I have to make part here. What's the best way to make a part when I have a 10 footer for birdie? What's the best way to have 10 footer birdie? Like, well, if I'm attacking it from this part of the fairway, that'd be really easy to hit at the 10 feet.

Well, how do I get it there? Well, I have to hit a tee shot. You know, well, how do I hit this tee shot? Well, I got to be in a good process and I need to like go through my team. So it's like, yeah, just baby steps back. That's how I like, I've never heard of it going the other way. I may need to try that, but have you.

Instagram. If you look at your like driving stats, I may need to try that, but have you Instagram. If you look at your driving stats, you see gaining strokes, gaining strokes, gaining strokes, year over year, year over year, year over year, despite not being one of the longer hitters out there. Have you ever been tempted to increase speed a little bit, increase distance a little bit? Yeah, for sure. Oh, I'd love to hit a 30 yards further. It would make things a lot easier. But if I hit a 30 yards further. It would make things a lot easier,

but if I hit it 30 yards further, my short game might suck, or I might be a bad wedge player, I might not be able to do some of the things that I can do really well. So I'm cognizant of it. I try, I don't try really hard to hit it further. I try really hard to not lose any speed.

Like I don't wanna get older and just have it incrementally start getting slower and slower. So I try to keep myself in really good shape. I just say really active But man, I'm in as far as I've ever hit it and still I look like it on the stats But and you know, I'm comfortable and holes like taking stuff on a lot of guys aren't and so that's where I try to pick up You know a little bit of advantage here and there especially like Harbortown colonial now I had driver all over those places because I feel like I can thread it down there. And I haven't had, I don't have a really good answer to like the great big

places where Carey is really, really important. You know, I'm going to be a little bit of a disadvantage there, but I just got a chip and pile, but better that week. Not to do a whole distance debate. Just I want to ask a specific question around this though is I feel like, you know, a player in your shoes, you have to deal with certain bunkers and obstacles in your way that aren't in the way for a Roy McElroy. And long ways away from this, but when the rollback comes to, you know, comes in in 2028 at the professional level, do you see any advantage to be gained for you in terms of?

All right. Well, now the long guys are going to have to deal with this and play. Listen, I'm still going to be behind them. Maybe it's even exacerbating that difference, but they're gonna have to play the same paths that I'm playing. Is there anything to be gained from that? I'm just skeptical because I'm skeptical because of the data that we looked at. It's like there's two very different sets of data that we've used to arrive at two different conclusions. So you listen to the tour and it's, you know, this is, it's a certain way and then the governing

body is presented in a completely different way. And you look at the way that they get their data, scrub their data and present it. It's like, tell me right here. I mean, these are two totally different like data sets. And so I'm not sure what to believe. Obviously the governing bodies have an agenda to roll the golf all back. They're concerned about golf course. The tour, the tour is going to be change a verse so I understand that both have, we're not objective looking at this. It's almost impossible for the PGA to work other governing bodies to be objective when they look at this.

They have something that they want to do and they're going to find the data points to make it look right. I haven't looked, I just wish we could at least come together and like agree on the numbers, the data. Some of the stuff I've seen is like, well, we can't make decisions based on this stuff. Like, it's not good enough.

The research, just the inputs aren't good enough for me to feel really good about a decision either way. Well, it's really, really complicated, right? I've studied, I've read all the reports and I've heard all the arguments and it is, you can make exactly what you said, you can make any argument work. I can debate myself on this and I can make you change your mind every every 10 minutes on whether you should or shouldn't roll it back because there's points to be made. Golfers are more athletic. Of course, that's why it's going farther. Okay. Well, there's

a push and pull that comes with that. The golfers are taller now. It's like, well, no. I think there's just there's more tall golfers out there because they're the reward for distances. You know, it is really, really good at what, even with a ball that goes farther, if you move it back, the farther you move it back, to 220 from 200, the shot pattern is gonna look really, really different, like really different.

A hundred percent, and it's, like my generation, no one cared how far we hit it and we were kids, like you tried to hit it as far we hit it, and we were kids. Like you tried to hit it as far as you could, but we didn't train for it. And that's been the difference. It says, you know, as I've progressed as a pro, it's very important to hit the ball for it now.

And if I could go back in time, I would have trained. I mean, I would hit it much further because I'd have been training for it since I was 12 years old. But you and I don't care. But we grew up in the same age. We grew up in an era where that ball spun off the planet when you tried to crank it, right? There was a balance in wailing on the ball. And that is where there was always like freaks of nature that could hit it further than

everyone. But it was not such an advantage that everyone's like, oh, I have to be able to do that. Exactly. And now it just seems like, and I mean, I think it's a little bit of everything. I think technology is better. I think our training is better. Like when I first got on tour, like we, like we all party.

Like we all party. No one party. No, buddy. Nobody parties. No one goes out. Everyone goes to bed. Everyone goes to the gym. Everyone gets an ice tub.

Everyone needs well. Yeah. Yeah. We train to be athletes now. And that's part of guys hitting it further. I've got my crazy, like whenever I get done with golf, I'm going to look at the agronomy. I think the agronomy's got a lot to do.

It definitely lets it roll it. Roll farther. That I didn't explain the the increase in carry distance. Right. So no, but um, I think the carry distance stuff here is because like a lot of a lot of times over here, we play on like non native grasses. So we have to water them. And so if you get any rain at all, the ball doesn't roll as far. We want green grass. I mean, there's a whole it's a whole well, that is really not fun. But what you just, the tease there does sound like a lot of fun. What was the party scene like in the early days out of a tour? Oh, it was great, man. I mean, every tournament, it seemed like there is like a party tour.

Like every tournament would throw, you know, have some awesome party where the food was great. Everyone was just high five and, you know, just isn't that way anymore. It isn't, it isn't that way. We're all grumpier. I know that. We had Leach who beat Noon. He was telling stories from his life. That sounded like a, a totally different level that I didn't fully appreciate. You would back that. I love Leach. I love, he's always been so sweet to me. He's a good man. So you went on Dan Patrick after you won the Open Championship and you know, he asked some kind of question about life changing and you were quick to say you hope that life

doesn't change. That was that was very shortly after you won. It's been six months or so since that has happened. Has life changed in many ways since winning in July? The requirements and the ask and stuff, I mean, this stuff you would think, the interview stuff like that kind of stuff has gone up. It hasn't been a bad thing.

I've enjoyed it. I like shooting the breeze. I like having these conversations. I like talking. I feel like I learned a whole bunch of new stuff But my life like at home not not really Hang out my kids hang out now the farm. We've got you know, we got this huge like beaver problem We're trying to trap these beers so it's like I still got the same you know, I just get the same problems I had Trying to keep the grass mode and keep the deer happy and

I'm trying to keep the grass mode and keep the deer happy. That's that, man. I don't know you at all, but we've never really talked before this. And I've always just, my out from sitting far away in my assessment of you, and I mean, it's in the nicest possible way, is like you don't really give a shit about much of what anyone thinks or says

about any of that. You're in your own world, you stay in your own lane. You know, you know. Oh, man, I just, I just, like I've cared. I mean, it was the time of my life when I cared, you're in your own world, you're staying your own lane. You know, you know. Oh, man, I just, I just, like, I've cared. I mean, there's a time in my life when I cared, you know? But I just, I mean, I've got, I mean, just you grow up, you get a family, like you got a kid now, I mean, you just don't care.

I mean, what are you gonna do? Like, it's a nice place to be like, I don't know, like, I keep, you know, because they said some, they said some wretched stuff to me, like an open championship. And everyone's like, oh, what was that? I'm like, I don't know. You're not gonna hurt my feelings.

I don't know these people. There's a man, say what do they want to. That's like, it's a nice fight to be, or it's like, all my friends are the same way. Like we rag on each other and, you know, we say horrible stuff to each other because it's like, you can't say anything, it's gonna hurt my goodness.

I would 25 year old Brian Harman, I've handled that, like being heckled and, and, oh, I don't, so, I don't know, so mad. Yeah. It's all, it's all so unfair. I'm like, here's. What was said, I mean, you, some interviews you've said you can't repeat it. What was this is this is an unfiltered podcast.

A lot of a lot of a lot of hide stuff, a lot of short, a lot of short stuff, a few bald stuff. I mean, it was just it just reminded me of like some of the stuff we used to yell at the other fans at like SEC football games. Just the nastyest thing you could think. Well, it seemed like you, you, you were just right, you know, I heard you say as well, like they did, they don't want underdogs win this tournament, but I feel like you were like in a Goldilocks zone of like you weren't a big enough underdog for everyone to get really, really inspired behind you.

We're like a Ben Curtis crazy, you know, right. Yeah. Like, we're just, yeah, crazy, you know, right. Yeah. I was like 20th in the world. Like, it was like night design. Ninety guys that were supposed to be. And one of them is a whole town kid. Like a adds a little extra emotion to the city.

Well, the first guy's give me a hug when I got done. Tommy Sweetboy. What do you go back and watch highlights from all that like the heavy heavy have you relived that at all? Is it part of the past? Um, I watched about 20 minutes of it the other day. Uh, I was laying in bed. It was on scroll through, start on the golf channel, start it and I was like, oh, god damn. Uh, then they have pretty shot and wagon. I was like, I can't watch this. It's gonna ask about that. To us. I hate it. I can't watch it.

It's kind of like, I don't know if you've ever heard yourself like on an interview, you're like, oh my gosh, you sound like you sound ridiculous, right? That's why I had to get fancy microphones to make a sound actually professional because I hated the sound of the voice. But what, what, uh, everyone does. Everyone does. When did the pre shot waggle? Is that a is that a newer thing? I don't really recall It's like I don't know. It's like some it's some sort of anxiety Thing that's come on later. I hate it. Um, I've told a story bunch But when I first got on tours, I want to fast as guys

Fast as guys on tour that is right when they started the shot link where they timed, I was top five, fastest guys, but I would hit like two or three shots a day where I wasn't ready. I would miss a short putt, like trying to tap in or and it was always like, it was always like an ego thing but almost kind of like a showing off like, oh, I'm good and I play fast. Like just pointless. And then I came

where I was watching it. But I heard Jack Nicholas was like, yeah, people, people criticize that I stood over the ball too long. But I never hit a shot until I was ready to hit it. And I tried like this, you know, the routine like, oh, two looks and go or whatever. And it just, so I just got, where I was like, I'm just gonna stand over until like, I'm, and start with my putting, because I would miss, I wasn't very good inside of Fafi. And I would, I was like, I'm gonna stand over this putt

until like, I know what's going in. And it just kind of crept into everything. And I just got like, I mean, I got the practice swings are better. The practice swings around the green used to be really bad where it's like, you know, I went one right, that one went right, that one, I was like, I'm like, come on. You start taking about it. Because like, you know, slow play draws me crazy. But then it's like, I started flying really well. So I'm like, damn, I can't just like, so like, I'm cognizant of it. I'm, I'm trying, I'm doing some of this metal stuff,

like trying to like just get to that place a little bit quicker. And I'll get there. But I mean, you're winning, if you win in tournaments and you're playing really well, it's like, I'm not super motivated to like, and that's, you know, it sucks, man. I hate it. I hate it. That you said it there. And that's what people, I think it's going to be, you know, nails on chalkboard to hear is like, there is no reward for playing fast on tour. And there's often nowhere to go a lot of times. Like if you're going to have 156 people in a field, there's almost never somewhere to go on Thursday and Friday. No, and I taught, and I've never been fine for playing slow.

I've never really been close to getting fined. I talked to Lucas Glover when I first got out there and I was like, Hey, bro, like I'm out here twiddling my thumbs all day. He's like, man, if I can go back and do it again, I would just place it. Like there's no like, you know, you're not going to play better if you're going to go hurry up and wait on the next tee, right? Like it and just play fast and miss a bunch of cuts. I don't want to do that. Get the parking lot faster. No thanks. A quick break here to check in with our friends. Of course,

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Sunday and to seeing the weather? Are you happy about that? Are you a little nervous about that? Anxious about that. I was not happy about that. So get down Friday. You're super windy Friday. Had a good round. And then Saturday is supposed to be terrible.

Terrible, terrible, terrible. And we get out there and it's perfect. Like no wind, like very little rain. I'm like, ooh, this is great. So play decent Saturday. And then Saturday night, I'm looking at the weather and Sunday, it's supposed to be like terrible again. And I'm like, what do they know?

They miss the day. Tomorrow's where I can be the same. Oh, I got next day, like Luke food blinds. I'm like, uh-oh, it is not good. And so I've said a few hours to kill. I'm just drinking coffee. I got a little something to eat at the house. And I get out there and it's just, I mean,

it is dumping rain. And everyone's got like full on rain, slickers on. And I'm like, it's so, I'm a little bitch. Like, this is not, I didn't want that. And I just had to, I had to just audibly kind of tell myself, like, man, no one's gonna, no one's gonna go super low today, like John Romch at 61 or two or three or whatever he did on Saturday.

So that's not gonna happen again. You have to worry about that. Like, it's literally impossible to do that. And I just knew I was like, man, if I can just make some good swings and get comfortable, like, I'm going to be fine. And you said your nerves were a mess. Like, it doesn't look like it on camera, right? Like the whole time we're watching this. Everybody's nervous. I just kept thinking like, like, man, there's not a lot of people in one this term. Like, somebody wins a server every year, you know, like I can do this. I can do somebody did

it. But how are you, you know, how do you ever? I don't know. I'm a nervous track when I played tournament golf. So I view all of that through that lens, right? Of how do you stand over a shot, you know, with a with a four or five shot lead and not think about

John Vendivota, not think about, uh, but like, is that going through your head? Especially because there you've got 17 and 18 and like you know you got got to sit out of bounds and making nons on 18. Guys are going all over the place on 17 but uh man at some point you just got to pull your drawers up and just execute golf shots and I executed golf shots all week. I knew I was swinging out really well. And I just trusted what I had. I had a couple bumps, you know, made some bogies,

but bounce back, you know, that was big. Like I always bounce. Anytime I made a bogie, I almost always buried the next hole. And so I didn't have long to like waller in that, you know, that, oh what, you know, here it goes. Or this hard, man, and my agent, I agent Jeremy, now we talked a lot about it. Like look, he told me he's like, look, it's going to get hard at some point. You know, there's going to be a time and the way that you deal with that time,

it's going to determine whether you win or, or don't. And so I just decided every time something like that happened that I was just gonna meet it head on and to just plow through. Did you learn anything or draw off anything from 2017? You were the 54-hole leader at the US Open at Aaron Hills. You should find about 72. It kept going up winning that by four, I think.

But what did you, that wasn't the final round you were looking for on that golf course? What did you learn from that process? Yeah, I mean, you talked about like not caring about what people think. Like, I mean, I can't be looking at Instagram and, you know, read and all, read and just dumb. Just read in these comments. You know, it's first time I've been like in the mix in like a really big major championship.

And yeah, so it's not like I'm impervious to like making bad decisions because I made bad decisions. I didn't sleep well, I looked at my phone too much. Yeah, I didn't do the stuff that had gotten me a one-challet lead. Like I was playing better golf than probably anyone. I was playing great, I was striking. It's so good.

And I just had about six holes that cost me that golf tournament. You know, on Sunday, if I could have just settled down and gotten into a better spot, I think I could have played a little bit better. Yeah, I mean, I just, I mean, at one, I mean, Brooks played great. I mean, beat me. But I didn't, I didn't do myself any favors. Well, that's what, you know, you're not, your name doesn't roll off the tongue

going into major championships of like, all right, this is, you know, this is, it's Brian Harman time, right? It's not, you're not off of it. I thought off of the topic of conversation. But internally, like, how do you, did you have to convince yourself that you could win a major? You hadn't won on tour. I think it had been, when was your, your most recent win before they wasn't like 17?

17 and 11. 17 and 11. Yeah. Um, yeah. Those thoughts rattle around for sure. But I mean, I've won big golf terms. Yeah. I've won PJ tour events when I was a junior golfer.

I won the US junior. I mean, I won big golf tournaments. The biggest golf tournaments that I was in, I won. And so I knew that I could do it. I just because I hadn't done it, that mean that I didn't think that I could. I mean, my play, I mean, certainly surprised me, because I was like, I'm playing really good.

I'm playing really good. And like, I was more, I was like, my brain is in a really good spot here. And in fact was like my my brain isn't a really good spot here And in fact like I knew that if I kept doing that that that I was gonna be really hard to beat and It was just a nice It was a nice feeling to just be able to keep like going going and going and going and You got you get down with the tournament It's one thing like if you know like well as far as I make a lot very last two holes making long put Sneak up winning off tournament. It's one thing, like, you know, like, well, as far as I've got, I've got a very last

two holes, making a long pot, sneak up, win a golf tournament. But that one is like, tournament could have been 10 days, you know? That's a good feeling. What was your, again, probably 36-year-old Brian Harmon handling this a little bit differently? But this hunting storyline that emerged, I guess you got it, it's a little bit differently, but this hunting storyline that emerged, I guess you go, we're from, it's a different culture here in the US that it is over over in Europe and in the UK, but it was, you know, you walk off the golf course, play some of the best golf of your life and you get asked about this hunting hobby, where there seems to be some. Hello, hello, that is what we're doing tomorrow.

Here's my big trip. The big trip. And are you confused by the fact that all of a sudden the storyline? Well, it just kind of dawned to me. I'm like, I'm sure I asked me a lot of questions about what I like to do in my free time. No, man, that's a hill out of the aisle.

I mean, while me at my house a lot, my kids love it, my kids are grow up now at the farm. It just, I don't get why it's such a big deal. Like, I guess it's just because it's so, for them, hunting's a part of being the air of stocker sea. It's like guys in red coats chasing down dogs on horses, fox hunting with dogs and horses and stuff. And for me, hunting's like Daniel Boone,

pushing through the cumberling gap and boiling down bare grease to like having a fat survive. Like that's like how I see it. So, you know, if someone stands up with a leather belt and wants to talk to me about where I get my food from and why I hunt animals, it's like we're not really having the same conversation.

They got a little out of control too, is the Brian the Butcher? Oh, they just kept going. They wanted to do the, I mean, I said, the Brian the butcher. That was funny. Well, they thought, uh, yeah, so they do, well, they asked me like, what do you do with all the animals that you cause? I was like, what butcher?

You butcher them and we eat them. Like, I don't, what else would you do with them? And so the next day it's like, Oh, Brian the butcher. And they thought they're like, Oh, it's a really pissing mouth. My God. And so the next day, it's like, oh, Brian, what you're, and they felt like, oh, it's a really pissing ball. My gosh. There was one too and said something about like who, based on the fact that you were a hunter, the who knows what's going to go in the Clare at Jug.

I was like, what, what do you, how do you think this thing works? You think you just like pours animal blood into the, into the Clare at Jug? I don't think that's quite how it works. Now, just good bourbon. Why do we put one? We put really nice one. I was't think that's quite how it works. No, just good bourbon wine. We put wine. We put really nice wine. I was going to say what went in? What went in the clear jug? Yeah, but much wine. It fits, I mean, it's a decanter. So 750 milliliters, fits perfect. Look at that. Even use the metric system. There you go. You're ready for this deep-u-world tour crossover.

Yeah, they wanted to ask about the tractor Yeah, I just I couldn't believe I was like man, they're so interested so interested But they just weren't that's that's what I was saying earlier about you being in that Goldilocks zone though of like this Not a crazy underdog story and then all of a sudden people like all right We got to make this there's a lot of press there. We got to this storyline sing. What is it? And you know, you're like, like I guess, again, back to what I was saying, like your attitude just kinda like, I say what you want about me,

I don't really, I'm not gonna over share here. I'm not gonna give you more than you need. And so they just left them kind of searching for something. But I thought it was fun. You called it the best tournament in the world. I agree with that. Why do you think the open championship is the best tournament in the world. I agree with that. Why do you think the open championship is the best tournament in the world?

Well, they invented the game. So we'll start there. It's the oldest major championship. I love the golf over there. I think it's so cool. We talked about the grass for a minute. We play on native grasses there. And that's why we, they let the weather dictate the score. Here we kind

of try to force the score and the weather gets in the way sometimes. But there, if you show up and it's been raining, the course is green, if it's been dry, the course is brown. So I just think like, like that symbiotic nature between nature and what the course is set up like, I think it's like the coolest thing. I agree. That's what I love about. I mean, just links golf in general. And it just you're always trying to make your ball stop instead of making a fly somewhere, you know, you're you're worried about run outs into bunkers. That's It helps mitigate the distance issue I think in golf. Make sure to think creatively. It allows more different playing styles to be competitive. You gotta think about windows.

You gotta think about how much, it's not just a yardage or reading off the card to say I'm gonna hit it this far because you gotta think about your trajectory. And it's just, it's a brain overload. It's great. And there's a hundred different ways to play every different golf shot.

You have to be able to fight the golf ball to play good over there. You have to be able to compress the golf ball to play good over there. You have to be able to compress the golf ball to play over there. You can't dink it around. That turf is hard to compress a golf ball, and it exacerbates less than solid golf shots. I just feel like it's the ultimate test as far as

where your game is, how much control over your golf ball you have, there's not a lot of faking it there. I don't think, like you have to hit solid golf shots or the end or the window, eat it to pieces. And I like golf that's played forward. I don't like when golf balls come backwards at me. Like I hit it that far, like why is it coming backwards? Like I don't, I don't, and you know, it's just unique.

I just find it so interesting that like you can take a group of Americans that love golf and take them over to St. Andrews and they'll play and it's, it could be completely baked out. Won't be one piece of green on the whole place. And I look around like this is the coolest golf course in the world. But if you took that golf course and you built it in the middle of like Tennessee or South Carolina, people go play and be like, why is the grass brown?

Like, what the difference is that, babe? This is what it's supposed to be like. This is it. Well, that's what just adds this whole other layer to it too, of just the appreciation for what all, like truly God's creation of glaciers and sand and like what has led to this turf being the exact way it is and how much it dictates the most enjoyable style of golf

in my favorite sport, right? It just is, it's scratch. Like there's probably my 25th favorite course in Scotland is like would rank in my top five if it was in the US, right? Just because I just love playing that stuff so much. That's going to be so fun to compete on, right? And it just it comes with the coolest title in golf, what people don't talk about enough champion golfer of the year.

Okay. It doesn't say open championship golfer, champion golfer of the year. Yeah. It's the dopest title you could possibly have. It's a fun trophy. It's a fun trophy to party with. It's a it's a real party favor anywhere you take it. Are you allowing yourself to think even a little bit about Ryder Cup before that final putt drops? Like are you thinking about that on Saturday night? What comes with the win? Maybe potentially nothing. No, I didn't I didn't think about it. I wanted. obviously, I wanted the tournament to be over,

and I wanted to be over in the correct way. No, I didn't think about the Ryder Cup to afterwards. Not very long afterwards, because you're walking back to the green to get your trophy and you trip a little something at ZJ on your way. All right, so I do have a story about that. So I know how that looked, but that wasn't like I was flexed and I'm like, oh, now I see where it's going. Yeah. No, but no, because he won the open championship and he's looking and I'm like, what happens now?

Like, I don't know what happens now. That's that's truthfully what. But the look of his face, I had the calling, I was like, all right, we need to talk. That's not what I meant. I swear, but that's funny though. Now what? Look like a Kirk Cousins.

What is it? How's he like that? I like that. You like that, yeah. Yeah. But that crystal, I mean, you know, you're probably not thinking how the standing is going to shake up, but you got to think you're pretty close to an automatic bid after winning

that. And then that's something, you know, you've been on the tour for a long time. That's not something that you've never been a part of any of the US teams in Presidents Cup or Ryder Cup before. Now all of a sudden, that's my change. Yeah, man. It was, it was so cool. It was awesome.

I wish it had turned out different. I wish we had a couple more days to get afroom. I felt like, you know, if we had two or three more days, we could have really gotten close. Can I pause you on that then right there? Yeah, sure. This, this, the writer couple of schedule to start on Friday, September, whatever it was and conclude on Sunday. We knew that information going into it, right? And it seemed like it almost immediately, it seemed like, well, all of a sudden, the US side was like, oh, well, we had too much competitive, right?

All these things that contributed to put behind the eight ball. And now I'm like, wait a second here, guys, like this was all, I feel like this could have been planned for here. What, if you could go back in time and change things, how would you do? So hard, it was so hard because like we, we grind all year. And you get down to the tour championship and you have to have a break. Like you have to, it's been eight months of just like,

I mean, it's all you got. And then you've got to try and pull the rabbit out of the hat. Again, and so you can't help but take a little bit of a break. I don't know what the answer is. Because I don't think, as Americans, I don't think we're gonna keep playing, but I don't think we'll, if you've afforded yourself a little bit of time

and your body needs it, I mean, you're just toast, but it's a hard deal because like, like there is a certain amount of pageantry involved with the Ryder Cup. That makes it super unique. It's something that we don't do very often, but at the same time, it's war, man. It is absolute war. And trying to marry those two things, it's a hard deal. I sympathize with the PGA of America because they put on this beautiful event

and there's so much history and there's so many events and so many things that are so great about it. And then we're trying to win as well. And it's just really hard to get that mix right. And I mean, say what you want. The guys made more putsin' we did. They putin' it hard to get that mix right. And I mean, say what you want, the guys, the guys made more putsin we did. Okay. I keep here in that one. And the day

they made everything, they made every, they looked at right. I mean, every pot they looked at the numbers, the numbers show that they out. They definitely did. But they just played better. But that's that's where like that's the been the added. It's been seven straight times right on the US side. I know you've only been part of one. You can't answer for the previous. I can only I can only say for being old.

But it seems to be that reaction every time if they just played better. They just played better. And you said, I think this is war. And I would say as a fan and an outside observer and talking to some of the captains and assistant captains on the European side and all that, I would say they're outmaneuvering the US, right? They are thinking about this stuff so far in advance, they're having guys play practice round,

they're playing actual tournament rounds together, they're playing matches, they're trying to, they, a big thing they wanted to do is play three-hole matches, right? And their practice rounds, they wanted to get up early, they were up early in every, they are doing so much stuff in preparation that it seems like the US team is a bit overly reliant

on a massive amount of talent, yet not having the full understanding. It's been like seven times doing this. Like, you go over to Europe, it's different and they haven't been able to lean on that talent. And again, I'm asking you to speak for seven years of history on it, but it's just like, it does just like,

it does, like Jordan said that in the press conference afterwards, and I wanted to just raise my hand back. They made more, like, yeah, they did a lot of other stuff too. So I'm wondering if you, if that's just a meat, if you think that's just a media created thing, or if there's anything to glean from like, how Europe has managed to do this and the US can do in the future.

Yeah, I've got some talk. Okay. Yeah, I've got some thoughts. Okay. Yeah, I think there's ways. I'm not going to go way into it, but I do think there's things that we could do. I'm not, you know, our record over here is pretty good. I'm not, you know, our record over here is pretty good. And yeah, man, they just, you know, they just whipped our ass right out of the gate

and by the time it settled down, I really think if we had two more days, we probably, you know, we were coming. We were coming. And like, so the rider comes over and we're all partying together afterwards. Like we're partying with the European team. Like it's over. And a few of them said the same thing like, you know, y'all were coming. I was like, yeah, I know we were. We just,

it's only three days. It's a three day golf tournament. And you got 36 whole guys. Aren't you just point 36 holes? I mean, it's's there's a lot. It's a lot to think about It really is It's a lot but but you know if we play that term in a week later Who knows what that was you know Yeah, it's a brakes man. Yeah, I can't but for where I'm George lost Alabama I know but just they won two they be you know They won the two previous years right like if you're sick where I'm sitting ready You look at it seven of these is kind of like yeah, you know, they won the two previous years, right? Like, if you're sick, where I'm sitting, right?

And you look at it, seven of these. It's kind of like, yeah, you know, maybe next time around, I was like, well, gosh, it just feels like something needs to change. I don't know what, right? That's what that's the thing. How would you change it? What would you go with your own? What's your own?

Well, to me, it seems like Europe is way better at like, like led by Rory and Rom of like checking their, you know, their, their jersey that has the back, their name on the back at the door before they walk in, right? And they are totally at the whim of the entire team, right? And it just seems, it's not that the US players are not, you know, don't check their egos. They just don't seem to have that willingness to sell out for this team aspect, right?

And willingness to, it's not as simple as going out cheering on your teammates, but it is a culture aspect that just seems to, to, it's not as simple as going out cheering on your teammates, but it is a culture aspect that just seems to, it's just, I think it's contributed to like the individualistic nature of Americans naturally compared to Europeans. Like, I do think it's what makes this debate and conversation so interesting is that makes this golf tournament my favorite in the world. It just seems like they are able. It is an awesome golf. Dude, if you take the individual pieces, like,'ll take the US team every freaking time, man, like it is a more talented bunch,

like the numbers would show that out, but how does this other group bound together to play this amazing golf? Right, they did make more puts and they did hit it better, but how? And why, right? But they do it every time. So how and why, right?

Aren't you curious how and why? I can't help be luck every time. Yeah, maybe, maybe, uh, maybe we'll start giving some of their secrets away. They're listening to our pod. They're a bunch of them are giving them a bunch but Paul McGinnley gave a bunch headboard of Monari and that's why I was like,

Patrick Harrington after missing Straits was like, yeah, they've copied everything. That's why I was like, oh, U.S. team's got this. They've got the model and it just seemed like, again, every time in Europe, it's just that punch in the face immediately. So yeah, I mean, you know, back sign of the second group out and Victor Haaland chips in the first hole.

I mean, it's just it really one down or something like that. And like, you know, it's like, what do you do? I don't know how to, I don't know how to do 700 through eight holes. I mean, they just, sometimes you just get beat, man. I know it sucks because like you want there to be a better answer. Like, you want there to be like, oh, if we just did this different or if we just like got there earlier, or if we just did that, it's like, oh, man, they got the momentum. Like, like, they just, they got up in every match immediately. Like, they birdied that first hole, they birdied

that set or they parled that second hole, and they were just off and running. What was it like competing in that event? That's so cool. It's so cool. Like Max and I will have this bond of playing together and you know, went into matches on Saturday together. Like, we'll talk about that forever. Like it was so cool.

I feel like it's like you get a chance. Like I make a long, I make a long putt and want to turn them in on tour. Like I felt, I got, I feel like I got to feel that like 15 times over three days at the Ryder Cup. Like you just don't get to feel that that you don't, you're not in that spot that often individually, but in that thing, like you make a big par putt on like 14 to stay two up. And it's like but in that thing, like you make a big par put on like 14 to stay too up. And it's like winning golf tournament. Feel good. Well, that's the thing that makes this tournament unique to is, it feels like a

lot of stroke play golf. It's all about how it finishes. Or at least that's how it plays out on television is like the end is what everyone cares about. But I'd rather cut match plays about getting up early. Like it's about what happens early, especially in the team stuff, man. Yeah. Get up early and, and, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's hard,

especially that, especially the alternate shot stuff. Mafia S where they smoke us, you know, you know, that's a good point, man. They play a lot more of that stuff. And that was always a big thing when we play Walker Cups. Like, hey, man, if we can like hold, you know, hold court with these guys, alternate shot, we're going to smoke them in the singles. But, but, yeah, hold, you know, hold court with these guys, alternate shot or gonna smoke them in the singles. But, yeah, man, they just, they play, they play really good.

What's your, what's your last memory? The one thing you'll take, you know, until you die, I think you'll remember about that week. Man, I just think, I just think Max and I on Saturdays, like one of the coolest days ever. And we both, like, we get done. And we're both like damn near cry.

And it's just like, man, how fun was that? It was like, oh, it's just like good fun. It was fun being out there with your buddy. And watching him, like, he played so good, especially in that afternoon. He played, I mean, he carried us in the afternoon. And it's just cool to see a guy. Especially in that afternoon he played. I mean he carried us in the afternoon and It's just cool to see a guy

Like Max is obviously. I mean, he's one of the best golfers on the planet And to see him like in full like executing like perfect frame of mind and like No one right where his emotions were in the watch him just like ultimate place like where he is just it's everything is just so good it's like you don't get to see you don't get to see that like I don't get to see that a lot you know I'm playing against him all the time but I don't get to see like up close and like he hits this you, he hits some of these shots. You're just like, Ambro, that was good. That was good.

That was great. I was fine. I'm glad I was alive for that. And I got to see that. Well, we crossed paths with you guys as you guys were leaving the presser on Saturday night. And I remember like overhearing or I don't even know if you were directing this at us or we're walking by because all the conversation was about the hat, all the hats,

the hat stuff, the hat stuff. And you guys seem so genuinely confused yet, you know, there's all this reporting that's been out about, you know, the things can't lie said and all this, like take us, take us through everything, everything that you were aware of prior after all of it. Nothing. It never came up. I can remember, so Justin Thomas and we had never really... We just hadn't really hung out that much. We didn't know each other that great. We'd played together several times, but he's a lot younger than I am. And we just don't have... We didn't have a whole lot in common. We didn't have a lot to talk about. He didn't hunt and fish. He's full on serious golfers.

He's very good. And so him and I didn't really run the same circles. And through this process, him and I gonna be really close. Like Justin's awesome. He's a great guy. We joke, he's got a, he's one of the funniest guys out there.

And I couldn't remember asking him, or I just remember him commenting like after we play this practice session and we're flying back He's like, well if we lose it will not be for a lack of camaraderie because we literally had like we part and we had the best time And he's like we always like having too much fun. I was almost like too happy to be here. So let me and everyone got along great like It's almost like too happy to be here. So, I mean, everyone got along great. Like, I don't know where this stuff like about the locker room came from, but everyone got along great.

Like, and if they didn't, I would say, I don't, you know, I would say, but everyone got along great, you know. So, the hat stuff, I didn't even notice the Patrick what wearin' a hat. And if anything, it just became a rallying call, call like, and like we got them with that presser, Patrick made the point, he's like, man,

I appreciate y'all like sticking up for me. We were like, this guys are asking, it's like, you know, like, you hadn't even, hadn't even come up. And I don't understand, I don't understand what the big deal is. Someone, if someone thinks that they, they should get paid for that week. I don't see why that is such a like a, I don't see why people get so much grief for like thinking that.

Like you got, you know, on the first, you know, on the first, you got, you know, Sevis everywhere. Sevis the hero is like, got, you know, um, Sevis, everywhere. Sevis, the hero, it's like, well, they banned him for two years because he wanted to get paid. Ha, ha, ha. Like, so why is it, why is it such a, I don't get why it's a, it's a fine,

it's a fine conversation to have. Like, you can make points, a hundred of which ways on both sides. Like, I don't get why someone's a villain because they want to get paid for work They do like that doesn't that doesn't bother that doesn't bother me at all. I would play for free I would also pay play if they pay I'm gonna try just as hard both ways like I think it's the coolest golf tournament we play in I would happily go there for free because I think it's the new saying now if you wanted to pay me for my time

I'd be like, yeah, sure, I'll take money for my time. I'd be great. So it feels like to me, it's just a lot of stuff that was kind of all combined in one, right? Two things can be true. Like you can, you know, want to be paid for playing in the Ryder Cup, and also like the team can get along very fine

and not be fractured, right? I think that the bridging in that reporting that was saying the team is fractured because some guys want paid and said, and I don't that talking to people in and out of the locker room, none of that seems to be accurate, right? So I don't know if it doesn't seem like it was nearly of the distraction. I can totally see Patrick making the comments he made. I can see how he gets there. I kind of fundamentally disagree with it. I think that I don't necessarily agree with it, but like, I don't know. It's a hard one.

It's such, it's like, even I can tell you're a little, you're a little touching about it. You hear the whole. No, so here's, here's my, my overall stance on it right is like, I get that like you show up and there's hospitality to your left and to your right and in front and there's TV commercials everywhere and all this stuff. And like, you're not getting paid to play in the event. I understand fundamentally like the people profiting off your labor is just in a broad sense is not, doesn't sit right.

You know, my stance on this, you know, and where I would struggle with the can't lay specifically taking the stance is like that's built off of the equity of people that have put in the effort that's been put in this event over the years. And that was whether or not Patrick can't lay or Brian Harman shows up on that first tea, those host tellers are going to be sold. So not necessarily the value driver of this. It is a hundred almost a hundred years of this event that kind of sparks that right. So now all of a sudden pausing, you know, pausing the and say I'm like we deserve to be paid for this kind of like

that's just not going to sit well with people like in where I'm sitting in golf fans. I thought of it. I thought of it that way. That's a good point. You know, but the only I'm not going to make a counter because that's really well put well thought out but the only counter not counter but like so Patrick makes I guess he birdies 16, 17, 18, the one where there was the kerfuffle 18, though like, I mean, Pat makes that, but he, I mean, he is like, I mean, just patty ice, man, I mean, full on like gangster stuff, right? And it's like, at that point, you're like, like, the money, all the money stuff, like

that guy, all he wanted to do is to win that match. It could have been for two cents. And like, like, that stuff is what's beautiful about that golf term. And that's where you don't get to see Pat, like, get, like, fired up that often. He was, he was hotter than a piss.

That's what I'm saying. Like, you could still want to be paid for it, and still give your maximum effort for the US team and be a positive contributor to the team. That's why I just think it was all kind of, you know, it. Yeah, that was all media because Pat, I mean, Pat wanted to, I mean, he's trying his hard to see possibly can. And like a lot of people, I mean, we were all, we were all sick, man.

We were sick. What was it? What was what was going around? I don't know, man. We were sick from the first six. What was going around? I don't know, man. COVID flew. Who the hell knows? We were sick. I was sick as a dog all day Friday Saturday.

Pat was sick. Xander got sick. Ricky was really sick to start the week. We were all antibiotics and trying to stay away. And shoot, man. I mean, it killed me our Friday. Friday, I'm dying. Like, I'm cold sweats. And I like, I didn't even stay around and watch the matches. And I killed me. Like, Davis comes up and says, bro, you gotta go get some rest,

because you're gonna play all day tomorrow. I was like, all right, fine. I'll leave. I'm like, I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym.

I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym around and watch some matches and it killed me. Like, Davis comes up and it's like, bro, you gotta go get some rest because you're gonna play all day tomorrow. I was like, all right, fine. I'll leave. But, um, yeah, I mean, most of us didn't even stay around Friday. The guys that weren't playing.

And that's like, I mean, all of us would have killed to stay there and watch the very end, but, I mean, we were struggling, dude. I don't tell you how I like, I hate even like staying that stuff because you're not making excuses because we played fine Saturday and Sunday, but I mean, we were on antibiotics. Well, yeah, it's one of those things, like no athlete ever is gonna get,

you just never win that battle and court of public opinion right? I'm sick. I was like, I'm like, yeah. A lot of times you play really well when you're sick. Sure. I mean, that's not, but they are like, you know, when you're trying to play 36 holes and stuff,

like we like max, lacks clothes match out Saturday afternoon. Like I was totally fine. Saturday morning played really well. Saturday morning and played not for about I played really well for about 12 holes Saturday afternoon and it left me like I had no energy. Max, Max gets us through the house. He hits a great child in 17. We close them out to him water whatever.

I'm like, thank God. We finished his match on this. So I was like, I don't know if I can pick the golf club of the next debauch. That's, yeah, that's an area I can't love any criticism because everything has to line up absolutely perfect for me to even play an average round of golf, right? If you throw one variable in there, backs a little bit by now, if not 81, no matter what. But what, what was Saturday night like and what was the conversation? Did you guys have a conversation about all going

hatless and are you personally freaking out about the potential of everybody? Oh, yeah. I told them right away. They were like, oh, we should go hatless. I'm like, guys, I love y'all. And I'm all about solidarity, but I will fry this nugget. I have to wear it as safety. It's just in the, in the, oh, it's for the greater good. We got kids, man, I can't be getting spots in my head.

Well, I want to end it with this. And maybe you can, as my career evolves into into parenthood, I find the pros out there balancing fatherhood, the questions to be interesting in terms of how do you, how do you do this your career, the physical aspect of your career, get you out of any of the labor that goes into putting a kid to bed, bathing a kid, any of the awkward lifting, dad backs a very real thing.

I can testify this, carrying around a 13 pound dumbbell around your house for 45 minutes. I heard, like, do you, sleep is all different. How do you manage it? I pull the card, I'm very, very rarely, because I enjoy being a dad. It's one of my favorite things I do. And I like being there for my kids.

I like trying to leave all the golf at the golf course. I don't do a great job of it sometimes, but I do my best. And my kids don't care if I play good or not. And yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm pulling my back. I'm bad. I'm trying to get my son out. And I'm like, oh, God, there it went.

You know, like, it's done. It happens. It's real, man. It's totally real. It's true. I think Pat and my buddy, I think he broke his toe on, you know, some kids toy or something. And if you're 25 years old, listen to this,

you are rolling your eyes at us. Oh, yeah, you're like, us. But we all get there. Do you do the kids travel with you and do you get to go tell them? Oh, yeah, man. We're loading everybody up Saturday to a couple and Hawaii. Two hotel rooms. Yeah, we'll do two. We'll do two and Maui and two and Haululu.

I apologize to everyone sitting around us mom one and a half Girls and I It's gonna be a long flight. So yes, it is all right We want to start drink I just started drinking early be like ah too drunk to be a dad. Good luck sweetie I haven't managed to get that one figured out if you got any advice on that All right, man We're gonna let you go. We really appreciate your time. This was a lot of fun. Best of luck with the new season. And we look forward to doing it again sometime.

Hope it crossed past soon. Take care. All right. Yeah, man. Same to you. Rose Law Fund. Thanks.