No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 789: Pebble Beach & LIV Mayakoba Recap Live Show

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

After the cancellation of the final round of the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am we look back at a pair of 54 hole tournaments with the PGA Tour's weather shortened weekend as well as the LIV season opener at Mayakoba. We begin at Pebble where Wyndham Clark wins after a third, and final, round 60 - setting a new course record and beating Ludvig by a shot. We break down the finish and the decision making that led to the shortened format given the relative lack of options, and provide some context for how Clark's third round compares to other low rounds from recent years in pro golf. We also look at the others on the leaderboard (19:00) including Ludvig, JT, Jason Day as well as the course setup, Clark's decision to turn LIV down and stay on the PGA Tour, Spieth and Rory's respective comments on the potential PIF investment into the Tour (40:00), off course rumblings, a review of Neil's top and bottom 10 from his pre-tournament power rankings, and some reflections from our time on-site at the tournament. Then we turn our attention to Mayakoba for the LIV season opener (1:09:30) as Joaquin Niemann wins the individual title in a playoff over Sergio with Jon Rahm's team wins the team crown. As the only live golf broadcasted on Sunday, we take stock of the progress and remaining shortcomings of the league's team rosters, the broadcast product and upcoming tech advancements and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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here right now. Welcome to the no laying up live show presented as always by our friends at high noon. Sally here, TC. How are we doing? I'm great. Sully just opened up a tequila seltzer. It's, it's never too early on a Monday. What a, I kind of like this. I've got a digging, having a little chance to download some thoughts for a while and have a drink on a Monday afternoon. Why not? Kevin van Volkenberg is here after spending the week out at pebble beach. Hello KVV. How are you? Sully, it's great to be sitting in this chair instead of the captain's chair. Uh, that's, I feel like on Star Trek, when, uh, captain Picard used to go away and somebody used to

have to sit in his chair and then he got to go back like I'm, I'm that guy. I'm sitting in the number two chair again. I'm much happier this way. It's not that easy. Is it? Huh? Everybody seems to be coming around this whole hosting thing. Excited to be back talking some golf live reaction. Haven't done this since the century. As many of you know, we were down filming Torah sauce season nine in Australia. Uh, has been a few weeks on the road. We are happy to be back live from the killhouse new year, new packs. You can sip on summer flavors in the middle of winter, including the all new high noon snowbird pack featuring the perfect mix of winter and summer flavors. The eight pack has two new flavors raspberry and plum alongside

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that out. Statistically, that's almost certainly going to happen with how many balls they haven't played, but he was dialed in all week with his title is set up, especially off the tee at a great driver session, which we witnessed on Tuesday at the range with our guy JJ from title list. He stepped up to the first tee Thursday with a new TSR three driver setup. That's what he used to stripe his tee shot off the 18th tee on Saturday, setting up the eventual tournament winning birdie. I don't stand on 18 TNC, a cut over stillwater Cove. But he looked like he was envisioning that shot his entire life

because he made that look extremely easy. If you've eliminated the left miss, it's very true. That's a good point. And the winds coming off the ocean. Again, I don't know what that looks like, TC. As I said, we, when them switch the title is the start of 2022 from a competitive brand, uh, with the driver being one of the key motivations for the move. He was 249th in the world at the time. Now he's sixth and only 200 of those spots are because of people left leaving for live. Uh,

believe it or not. So, uh, uh, one more note for the gear heads, when them also has four new Vokey SM 10 wedges in the bag, the best players in the world are all custom fit for their equipment. Head over to titles.com to learn more about getting your setup dialed in. Wyndham Clark, the winner in 54 holes after shooting a third round 60 at the pebble beach pro MTCM. I'm going to give the floor to you right off the top here. You know, you called it a crowning. Let's hear your reaction to this. Yeah. A sixties. Great. It was, it was, you called it a crowning. Let's hear your reaction to this.

Yeah. A sixties. Great. It was, it was left clean in place. Again, great round of golf. Would have liked to have seen, I think we knew the forecast was going to be shitty from like Sunday, Monday, onward. Like it's not like this was a surprise. I would have liked to have seen them. I don't know how feasible this is. I know it was an 80 person field plus amateurs, but just get a little bit creative or try to get ahead of it somehow or go to Tuesday. You know what? Cut the field in half and we're going to finish this thing on Tuesday morning or something. So you know what? I think the right thing to do is to not have OWG our points awarded. And, you know, and then and then also you get Peter Mulnaudy who finished, you know, no cut event.

Peter Mulnaudy is now in the top 50 after missing his first three cuts of the season, which then parlays things. It's just there's a lot of T.C. That's a lot. That's a lot to react to here. I take those one at a time if you want to, but KVV, what's your reaction to, uh, to the Wyndham Clark being crowned the champion after 54 holes? Well, at least he did it with like a really good round in the last, I think that makes it a little bit more palpable. Obviously we all were hoping that see him and Ludwig kind of lock horns a

little bit the last day. I'm not Like heartbroken by it. I do feel like if this is one of your signature events Why don't you do everything in your power to try to get the last thing in? I mean like you did sort of seed the stage a little bit You know obviously you had to to live on Sunday But you could have kind of grabbed it back by a Monday finish or a Tuesday finish. I just it it bums me out. Obviously it's, I don't know if it's like a worst case scenario for the tour, but it's not great. The, this isn't really super help your narrative. It probably put some more eyeballs on your quote unquote competitor. Listen, I'm happy

that Wyndham won again because I felt like it sort of further validates that US open. Uh, they won. I think, you know, it doesn't seem as fluky when you can go out and win the first big signature event. So I hope he has a good year. I mean, I think he had to mention comments about why he stuck around that we can get to eventually, but I think it was, you know, he's a great, great potter when he's on. Yeah. I, I'm here for a possible solution as to what they should have done here.

Right. I mean, this was a freak storm that came through here. Not the first time the Pel Beach program has been affected by weather. We can talk about, Hey, let's just not have it in like that's a very reasonable reaction to see. And I think I've kind of been all over the map in terms of, man, is it just floating this idea out here? Does it make sense to have a clam bake at this time of year? And if you get affected by winter, sure, but, or, you know, some, some weather, sure, but, and then coming back here for the tour championship, does it make sense to do a separate signature event here and better weather?

Like I'm here for that. I think it, it comes down to the West coast swing is a thing. All the golf being played out West in this time of year is traditional in the PGA tour. And look, this is, I think the seventh time this has been shortened to 54 holes, which we learned in 1998. They finished the third round in August. They had come back in August to finish it after it almost got canceled. Which I'm all for. Like do that. It's kind of baseball. Baseball does that. Baseball's a real smart kind of. I do wonder if there was like a, if there was a West coast us open this year, if they would've tried to do that

the Monday after that, something like that. I don't know. It just, it's a really tough draw. It's really, I don't, it sounds like they would have done everything in their power to play on Monday. There's a shelter in place order in Monterey as of Monday. Uh, and I do not think playing was an option. I don't think they, uh, you know, maybe you do wait it out till Tuesday,

but then you're flowing back into waste management week. And it's tough. I, it's a really tough draw. I guess we can talk about what that really does for live. When we get to the live section of this, I'm not quite sure I fully buy that narrative and I've, I have some strong reasons as to why, but it just says it's such a bummer because so many changes happen to this event that we've been clamoring for for many years.

TCE, I was greatly enjoying your Twitter deep dive into some of our past moments of Saturday pebble, which is Gary Muldere entering the conversation, Kenny G, you know, interviews with celebrities and then the field just decimated over the year. And now it's like, here's what we're going to do. Amateur's, you know, 80 person event, amateur's the first two days. And then once it comes to the weekend, isolated weekend, no NFL, this is going to be the sports show in town. And they got that on Saturday and they got, you know, weathered out on Sunday. And it just, it just is a tough draw because I, you know, a lot of people were giving us shit for all of a sudden you guys are fans of this term after making fun of it for years. It's like, well, Hey man, they changed the

thing that we wanted them to change. And it was interesting watching that golf on Saturday. It would have been a lot more interesting if the field was complete with all the guys that left for live. Of course it would have. But in the reality of what PJ Tor golf can be playing at Pebble Beach West coast in the winter, no football, like this is about as good as you could have drawn it up as to what the PGA tour is and got that curveball thrown at him, which just stinks. That's just, there's no, there's no opinion in that other than like that just sucks that it worked out that way.

I would have loved to have seen them just basically say, you know what? We're instituting a cut, like, you know, after Friday, because we need to play 36 or try to get 36 in, cause I think that even is more equitable than just cutting it to 54. Right. I feel like the tournament, like that, that feels more authentic to what the tournament is about. Yeah. I'm open to getting paid anyway, right?

They're not, it's not like they're, you're saying you were getting cut in you and you're not getting paid. So I'm open to have, I mean, you know, you ever sitting there on, you know, was it Monday? That just like the best day that were, that Pebble Beach has ever seen. It was just beautiful out. And then knowing what was coming, it was, uh, it was like, can we just start this thing a day early? Like, can we start it on Wednesday?

And maybe Wednesday would have been a tough time. Well, and because you had guys coming in, like a lot of guys traveled in Sunday. And so Monday, like you're talking to all the equipment reps on the range. Monday was really like a normal Tuesday because Sunday was the travel day because it was a Saturday finish down at farmers as well. And I feel like everybody was just kind of twiddling their thumbs by the time we got to Tuesday evening, Wednesday morning. Yeah. And that is the part as much as we'd like to give them about contracts and being unable to move stuff.

Like the farmers getting moved up to Wednesday through Saturday happens like a long time in advance, right? And just, you can't decide week of to start a tournament a day early, which it just doesn't work that way. Now, could you have jam? I don't know what the, even the tour policy is on jamming more golf in earlier in the week. And when you have a storm, it's going to be that strong. Like, you know, you're not playing Sunday. We knew that for a long time. You know, can you do anything? I don't know the answer to that question, but that's kind of the only area I would at least venture the question.

If you were lucky, I mean, you know, Wednesday was shitty. I don't know how much they could have played on Wednesday even. You know, like the, you know, weather got bad there, super windy. Um, it's, it's overly complicated as well by like, you know, like the, you know, whether it got bad there, super windy. Um, it's, it's overly complicated as well by like, all right, if you want to do 27 Thursday and Friday, well they're on two different courses. So you can't really, it's tough, you know, split it that way either. So I mean, it's a shit, it's a shitty situation all the way around. Cause they've tried to squeeze in 36 on Saturday, just start like crack a dawn.

But again, you got 80 guys in the field. It's one of the shortest, you know, shortest days of, of the PGA tour season plus cloud cover and all that. It's still six PM sunset. Like it just, it's not meant for 36 whole days in the, in this, this time of year. So yeah, it, I don't think you need up in anything other than like, Hey, I was excited about the structure of this event. I would be excited about it in the future.

I would be even more excited if of course the golf world came together and everyone was playing in that format at Pebble Beach, how it should be. We can discuss Pebble Beach and, you know, it's, it's rank in the golf world and how it plays and how it's set up. But like it's still special to see the best players in the world play in that location. And that was a major, you know, step in the right direction. And I hope they get better luck on this event next year. Really. It was good. Yeah. It was good viewing on Saturday. And you know what?

Could have made it work. The only way that they could have made it work KVV is if they did a shotgun start on Saturday, a 36 hole shotgun start. That's innovative TC. How about each guy just plays two balls on each hole like that? You just play your 36 holes right at the same time. That could be, that could have been really interesting. I'm all for thinking outside the box here, but back to Wyndham vaulted 22 places up

the leaderboard on Saturday. He made Eagle on the second and sixth holes, then birdied five holes in a row. After that, he made bogey on the 12th by plugging a ball in the right bunker, uh, getting it out of the bunker, but onto the lip or the upslope of another bunker where he had to hit it left-handed, where he like skull, hauls shanked, toe shanked, inverted shanked, a left-handed shot that went over the green. He then hold the bogey putt from the, from the rough, not even from the fringe, like from the rough, keep the round alive. And then birdie 13 and 14 left two birdie putts and an eagle putt in the jaws short on the final three holes.

He almost shot a 57 with a bogey. Uh, I, you know, question I have for you guys, how do you rank a 60 with, in lift, clean of place and the softest imaginable greens? But how does this, how does this round rank? It says it all that the DP world tour, my beloved DP world tour does not recognize lift clean in place rounds in the record book. They don't do that at all. And they haven't for decades.

So for me, it's, it's not a course record because it was the lift clean in place. The PGA tour wouldn't have records if, uh, if they, if they eliminated all of the, all of the rounds with, with preferred. It's a solid round to me, but it's not, you know, I don't even know. I was trying to rank it like, how does it compare to walkie-neemans? Like the course was so soft. I mean, you know, he pulled one left on 15 that plugged in the rough that there's no way that that ball gets up,

like onto the green where it was. You didn't thankfully didn't make a birdie there. But I was just like, man, like, you know, obviously you gotta give embedded balls drops, but the drop just seemed, it just seemed like there's no way that if the course isn't like soaking wet, that he's able to get that ball like anywhere on the green from there.

And it just, it wasn't like it was super easy because he just made a shit ton of putts, but I would not think of it as like the, the best round ever shot at Pebble by any means. Hi. Yeah. I mean, they've played lift clean in place there before. Um, they've played a lot, a lot, a lot of tournament golf there before and no one's shot better than 62.

So it is, uh, you know, Al Guy burgers 59 was also, uh, done with lift clean in place. However, Al Geiberger did not actually live clean in place. He didn't. That's true. He said, he said he does not recall using the lift clean in place, which is such a flex, right? Wow. I do not really.

I'm leaving a 55 on the table then that could have gone down for a window. Also, like on that, on one of the ones where he dropped in the rough, pounced around all over where he dropped it. Yeah. I think those things are so, you know, I know what you're talking about. Somebody sent that, you know, thing around where it looks like he tamps down his lie or whatever.

I just think it's so hard to see like the angle from where we're looking compared to like, is that the exact spot that he dropped? Is he doing that 100% intentionally? I mean, I was right there and I watched him kind of walk around and try to find like a place to drop. It did not, if he's, if he, he should have won an Oscar if he thought specifically like, all right, I'm going to not look at this spot twice as I walk over it and then go back and find that exact same footprint

and try to drop on top of that. I don't quite buy that detective work. And then, and then this is, this is on the heels of, of Pavon's, you know, mashing down the rough behind his ball. You know, we should get Gary player to talk about this. He would be an expert on this. I went and I saw that come in on Saturday and I went back and rewound and tried to watch that sequence. I couldn't, there was not enough evidence in the video part of it to support

whatever that, you know, that was floating around the screen shots can make it appear that way, but I did not see in the replay anything that would, that would suggest that I, of course, camera and this, there's other camera angles that I was not watching on ESPN plus or whatever could potentially show something but did not I'm also not even positive. That's against the rules Like it's kind of what you can remove loose impediments and stuff from where you're getting ready to drop Like I remember JB Holmes at the Honda one year his caddy was like so like put his hand down Like it was moving all of the mulch out of the way getting ready to drop it

And I said something about it in like a million rules. People were like, no, no, that's allowed. You can do that. You can do that. So JB Holmes, big, big rules guy, you know, big pace of play guy. My question was, as we got towards the end, it was their strategy and aiming for the rough. So you didn't have balls backing up as hard when they hit the green. I mean, those were the softest greens I've ever seen played in a professional event. Not, I mean, sometimes you'll see greens where the ball will stop in its tracks. These balls were landing.

And before they even like had a chance to like move forward and spin back, they were literally coming backwards after landing and then hitting the reverse button and going 30 feet back down the greens. It was kind of weirdly like almost so soft that it's playing kind of firm, but in the opposite direction. Yeah. It was kind of like our round out at the hay. Yes. Yeah. It was the ball was moving even, even more than the softness of those greens. But I believe you called it the Ripper Magoo Invitational. That was, that's pretty much what we saw come out. But that was, yeah, it was about,

you know, judging your spin and figuring it out. And look, look, it's a, it's a ball in hand 60, but it was the best round of the day by three shots. It was six shots better than the fourth best round of the day. Scoring average was 69. So about nine strokes gained, uh, on the day, which does not compare to top rounds. You know, it is not one of the top, like 100 rounds of golf, uh, ever played in terms of strokes gained on the field.

It's probably, it ranks probably around 200th. But I mean, come on, seeing about the 200th best round we've ever seen to go win that championship. And not, not dramatic fashion, but it was still quite impressive and really validating his second elevated slash designated event win plus a major in the last calendar year. It's really, really impressive. 189 feet of putts made 189 feet. I wish Randy was on the, on the show today. He would, you know, he lapsed that shit off or as KV would say, Lops, that shit up.

Thank you. TC this, that round is slapped. He has to go back to big, big, done Lop now after finishing the DFL. You know, he can be done lap after if he puts up a better showing. I love the KVV is willing to dial this hill that he's not pronouncing done lap wrong. And that's just his Montana accent plague in here. For those of you that wrote it, it's at that end. We're having quite a bit of fun with that out of pebble. Swimming lot of Lops over at the refuge in the pools. TC, I know the main reason why you're upset.

This thing got limited to 54 holes. It sure felt like someone was coming. And you know, as much as Wyndham was coming on, on Saturday, there was another guy just steadily climbing the leaderboard that ended up finishing solo second, making almost $2.2 million. But I'm wondering if you could take us there and go with any pronunciation of his last name that you, that you want to go with. So here's the thing with his last name. We're just going to stop using his last name.

I love that. I'm just going to call him Ludwig or Luddy or whatever you want to call him. L. Uh, we're not, you know, clean card, 67. Didn't putt great. I think he lost strokes. Uh, round three lost like over half a shot. Yeah. So putted really, really well on, on Friday. Oh, uh, I was pleased to see him. He's kind of had a quiet start to the 2024 season thus far. But I didn't see Ludwig putting well on Poa.

And like this is he, he acquitted himself well. In my opinion, this is a BDE win for him. BDE win for him. BDE win for him. Added to the list. 54 whole win that he didn't win is a win for Ludwig. I love it. Yeah. I can't listen.

Windham shot 72 in the first round. Ludwig shot, shot 68. Uh, when them shot 67 in the second round, Ludwig shot 65. So, you know, Ludwig beat him two of the three rounds that they played. Um, yeah, like you said, he was coming. Yeah. I hadn't, I forgot to look at it that way. The round by round totals.

So I apologize to see I didn't. It's like a boxing match. You know, how many rounds did Ludwig win? We got the, we've got a rogue judge. He's going to go hole by hole and they're making a match play thing. See, look, he would've beat him five and four in match play. Just didn't have any Eagles. We're going to split the belt up. You know, he gets the, the clam bake, which I don't think any clams were harmed out there last week either, but he gets the clam bake belt and you know, wind them gets the, the, uh, OWG are points in the 3.6 million dollars.

Lettvig's now 11th in the world in, uh, the OWG are, he's 11th in the world in his strokes gain rating within the OWG are, he's 11th in the world in data golf, which includes all golfers on the planet. So this is not a artificial live OWG are corruption bump that he's gotten. He was not a professional golfer at this time a year ago. He was outside the top 3000, uh, in the world and has made it up, uh, to 11th straight up in just beating dudes on the golf course and has not played in a major championship yet.

And it is on the verge of cracking into the top 10 in the world. It's a, it's been a meteoric rise for our guy to see. Second fastest ever, right? I just saw that. Yeah. He and the cat were the fastest risers ever in this. So I'm fascinated to see how the rest of this year goes. I'm fascinated to see how his major championship run goes this year. Do you think he wins a major this year, TC?

Uh, I could see him winning at Pinehurst. Wow. Doesn't believe in him. I did not. Did not emphatically say he's going to win a major this year. Let's go say Bahaola would be a ball. Hala, Bahaola, Pinehurst, Trun. They all suit him. You know, we'll see. I mean, Sally, Sally's got to be mad. You know, we got Ludwig. We've got,

we got Pavane. We got Petrie all in the top, you know, all in the top five there. We penciled Pavane in for a Beth page right now. TC. No, I will not. No, not. I will say we're going to do a full review of the beluga big board, not a full review. We're going to, we're going to do some highlights and some low lights of the beluga big board here.

Uh, if you'd missed our live shows, uh, from pebble this past week, uh, the beluga Neil Schuster ranked every player in the field coming into the week, one through 80. He had Matthew Pavon, I think second to last or third last. I have it here. Hold on. He had him second to last only ahead of S H Kim and Matthew Pavon finished third in this event and made another $1.4 million to go with that. So a tough, it was a tough week for the beluga big boy, but I appreciate him put himself out there. Love the beluga nights. Stay in, stay in loyal to Neil. Uh, or, you know, the beluga nights and, uh, the humpback heights as well.

The humpbackers. For the first time I'm seeing the big board here and seeing some of his comments, very, very excited to take into this one. SH Kim don't know who he is. Uh, do you want to shout out homeless hubs? Uh, big, big time, you know, got in the field, I think by virtue, just of, of, you know, them kind of going down the board a little bit more to fill out the 80 man field homeless hubs shooting 65 on Saturday, T four for him. And

one guy I am going, going in on for, I think there's going to be two Belgians on the, uh, Ryder Cup team at Beth page. I think D tree and, uh, ADDC, ADDC for sure. That's Adrian Dumont, Dacia Sartre for the listeners out there that aren't, you know, maybe would not be familiar. Yeah. Rounding out the, uh, the rest of the top 10 J day with a T six finish. I must say, listen, we, we were quite hard on his fits, uh, at century, which I will die on the hill that that did not look good.

I will triple down quadruple down on that, but I will say he's starting to find some stuff in his closet that looks a lot classier and a lot better than that. Maybe the cold weather was a better fit for him, but, was looking pretty crispy and from what I from what I saw I Agree, I think you look great. I you know, I know you guys hate street wear. So I was not on that pod You know what I was like, hey like I I think, some of the, the quarter auras that he's rocking, they look good. I think some of the stuff that I'm with you guys,

I think some of the stuff at a Coppola was, was a bit too ill fitting. I'm also, I had heard stuff that he's going to do overalls at some point. I've been thinking about it for like the last 24 hours. I can't imagine swinging in overalls. Like that doesn't seem very, uh, very cohesive. You just don't understand fashion, TC. Some things are more important than being able to understand fashion. No, you don't understand it. That's more important than the golf. Okay. I don't care if you can't

swing in the overalls. It's fast. Cancel yourself like DJ did. That was so sad to see DJs get canceled. Listen, I already got canceled because of my crocs, but I was wearing it. They went down to Australia. TCs a motor, black mode. Yeah. Uh, they were in, they were in sport mode most of the time. Okay. JT is playing some, some golf now.

I think the, uh, you can definitively say the slump is behind him. He had another T six finish. Uh, his bogey avoidance was pointed out this week on Twitter as to how much that has improved over the stretch of the golf that he has played. Listen, it's not a murderers row of events up until this one, but going back to the Fort net, he finished fifth. He finished fourth at the Ned bank, Africa's major, finished third at the hero, a BDE, of course, T3 at the American Express and then now a T six at a signature event. That's, you know, five straight top six finishes, not again, not necessarily BDEs,

but good to see him back and playing some, some good golf over two strokes gained in every event he's played going all the way back to the wind. So that's what a, what a win for carbs. So I know it's like the only athlete who's ever like been found himself by eating shitty again. He has been scrambling his ass off. I will say his approach plays gotten a lot better, but his strokes game around the green has been absurd in the last five, six starts that he's had.

So you skipped over Tom Hogi who's playing with DJ diesel and I just wanted to shout that out. Thank you. T six. Scotty had a positive strokes game, putting for the week, but had some, some bad final round misses, which in that third round on Saturday was almost negative two shots in round three. Mr. Shorty, I believe on 14 and just went to 15 team and just kicked the sign right behind the T, but I think we're totally fine guys. I think we're totally fine.

I'm not worried about this at all. He's just honoring Ram in this event. You know, kick a sign, put a sign there. And that's, that's, that's the notes I had from down the leader board. Of course. You know what? Props to Sam Burns for playing well and not Bermuda. Kind of as far from Bermuda as you can possibly get. I got a shout out team Rose, the whole team, because it's a big team. It was pretty, I was marveling at the size of team Rose when they were out on the practice range. Keaton's playing some golf right now too. Up to, you know, rise up to 11th. Cantlay

battled through some, some adverse conditions. Proud of him, the hammer got that Apollo had on now to playing with Egon Durbin. So, and then country music sensation Eric Cole, T14 able to make it with the rain out, was able to make it down to the Grammys last night as well. So, shame to see him get beat by that, that blonde, the girl. Hey, one thing I noticed, one thing I noticed is the best new artist. One thing I noticed, uh, just being on the grounds, a lot of guys were in tan this year.

Yeah. All sorts of tan more. A, I had a, a, uh, like a, a kind of fescue, rye, tannish color, taupe, um, can't lay a tan on it at a one point. I feel like the I feel like the I feel like the I feel like the I feel like the

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What is, uh, you know, the setup looked a little different than, uh, Pebble Beach programs we've seen in the past. I, I've not seen Pebble Beach since the us women's open last year, but they did shrink a bunch of fairways for the us women's open. And a lot of those mowing lines, all of those mowing lines, maybe, uh, we're the same for this event. Um, number four, I really, it kind of jumped out of me when we were walking around the course and I saw number four, which looks incredibly silly to have what is supposed to be a

somewhat centerline bunker now in the left rough. And if you're looking on the screen now on the video, that the far left bunker now is maybe 30 yards into the rough, uh, which is a sign of some bad setup slash bad architecture, bad design, if you will, but, uh, I, I don't know what I get that's pebbles a little bit defenseless at times. And with all the best players in the world, uh, you know, maybe going with some more rough is going to help control scoring in theory. Uh, until you get this clean in place, but it, it mo pebble already gets criticized and

critiqued a lot for having bad mowing lines and kind of the wrong areas of grass. I've always hated how much rough there is between the bunkers and the greens and how bunker shots can get caught up in that area when it doesn't seem like they should. And the greens just play too small. And now fairways playing the small is just seems like I almost doubled down on a lot of the things that people critique about pebble. And we know what the positives of pebble are, but, you know, highlighting some of the negatives was not the strongest part of the part of, of the week.

I wouldn't say. Yeah. It's one of those things I think listen, pebbles, probably the test case for the angles don't matter in pro golf crew of, you know, it's really like, especially on a rainy week, it's soft. You don't really have to be coming in from a certain angle, but, um, but I think, uh, I think, uh, I think we lost KVV as well.

He's really thinking this one. Or he hates my take. It's like that, uh, you know, one of those memes, but like, yeah, like four or, I mean, six is, six is particularly egregious to me of, you know, six is like adding a bunch of rough, far down the right side that basically keeps the ball from going into the ocean. It's kind of patently absurd. You know, eight could be a lot better. I think not like obviously nine and 10 bring that closer. And like, listen, I get it.

They don't want people next to the cliff side and all that stuff, but grow up some tall grass right next to the cliff, but bring it down more so that, Hey, if you're, you know, I like, I know they're trying to keep tourists from hitting it on the beach, basically, but I don't know. It's just, it's tough. It's tough, solid. It's just so much rough out there, man. It, uh, you know, we could spend a whole pod kind of dissecting what pebble could be versus, versus what it is. I, I have more appreciation for the place having been there three times over in the last, uh, last couple of years and reminding myself of the beauty of it and the setting and the topography and the up

and down of the shot into six and the, the downhill nature of the shot into seven, the uphill shot off the T on eight and the, the chasm that you hit over and the slopes of the fairways and all that stuff that just after years of watching it on TV can kind of feel a little bit dull, but having those memories kind of a little sharper in my head, pebbles gone like back up in the rankings for me, but a lot of the things that they do might be great to, you know, have a full T sheet year round and make a lot of sense for picture taking and all the green grass and maintenance and all. I'm sure there's plenty of reasons why it is, but it is like there is valid reasons as to why it's like probably an overrated

golf course and very forgettable holes on the interior part and anything that wet is just not going to play with the same flair and the slopes are just that much more accentuated when it's firm and you can get green side and be totally toast. Like there's just no life to the course when it's that soft, which is not anybody's fault. So, yeah, that said, I think it was good to see more of spyglass this year. Yes. As well. Like I know we featured those holes, those first five or six holes from spyglass.

Those are, you know, those are probably the gems on that course. And, you know, again, it's not, not exactly a width and angles and firm and fast competition, plenty of rough out there too. But it was, it was good to see a little bit more variety, a little bit more depth than there has been on the telecast for the last couple of years. Speaking of which, they were a following Roy's group on Thursday. When he had a hot round going, he going to 500 par, I think on Thursday, which at that point the leaderboard was insane.

It was. It was like, can't like JT Rory, Scotty, like, oh, it's like, holy shit. It was very much like, wow, this is not that complicated. Guys, just get the best players in the world playing the same tournaments. And it's probably going to be a pretty darn good leaderboard. And I hate to say this part where we, of course, are friends with many of the mules that got excluded from this event, but getting some mules excluded helps separate, like helps get the top guys, the better chance of the top guys in the leaderboard. Like that's kind of part of

how this was designed. But anyways, where we got it to 500 par and then things kind of unraveled and it was kind of highlighted by he takes a a an unplayable drop and goes backwards along the line but then takes one club length to the side of that which is a penalty and he kind of referred to it as you know saying I that was a rule change it was changed in 2019 then changed back in 2023 I don't think I knew that but I remain amazed at players and caddies that don't think I knew that, but I remained amazed at players and caddies that don't have the rulebook that defines their livelihood memorized, but he had a two shot penalty for that. And in his week, kind of unraveled after that, he did

not hit the ball. Well, he lost a lot of strokes, gain approach and ended up finished tie for 66 and would not have made a cut if there was a cut in this event. So KVV welcome back. Sully, should we do the AT&T ad read? Yes. It's only, only AT&T fiber. I wouldn't cause these problems. Connecting is everything. Listen, it does. I will receiving word that your wifi was unplugged by someone else in your

house. So listen, that is, I don't, I don't believe you can place that blame upon AT&T, which, uh, which we will get to that. No, we're saying we're placing the blame on whatever other ISP KVV may have versus AT&T, whereas Sally and I both have AT&T fiber. You know, thank you. Yes. I'll be filing that expense soon. We just have the fiber be running into my house. So you look a little for that invoice coming your way. What did I miss?

We were just on Rory's penalty, which nothing much noteworthy of it other than it was, uh, it sparked a decent online, uh, discussion there. But, um, thing for my argument that like, I think guys should have unlike limited, like you should have one or two visits either per round or like, like it's like a challenge. And like a mount, a mount visit now limited by the, like, it's like a challenge. Like a mount, a mound visit now limited by the rule. Yeah.

Yeah. Or like a challenge flag, like, Hey, you've only got two. You got to use them, you know, and, and if you want another one, you're going to lose a stroke or something like that where, you know, for, for guys to actually not call an official and take the drop and then get penalized is kind of like incentivizing these guys to just call the official in every single time. That's a good point. Um, we, you know, we, we talked some way to, well, you're kind of a rules guy.

I was just kind of curious, do you, what is the point of why this rule changed back? It seemed like Roy's explanation was changed in 2019, changed back to the original thing in 2023. That's where he didn't, I mean, what advantage is gained from, you know, having to drop within a club length as opposed to like, you know, I don't know, I guess I'm curious. A decent size advantage, right? The idea being like we're doing this kind of margin rule.

We're going backwards within the line of play. Getting a club link to the side of that is almost like double taking advantage of the rules instead of, you know, from where your ball is. Otherwise you could go to club links to either side, uh, from where the ball is. It's kind of, he combined two different drop options into one. Yeah. Kat Kat was cat at Augusta was what just going, going back in the same line, but, but going up five yards or something.

He was trying. He, um, so his was interesting because the margin of where the ball crossed is not where he went backwards, right? Because it hit the pen and entered like to the left. But the margin of where the ball last crossed a hazard would have been a totally different line. And he went back two yards. Was it or forward two yards?

I forget which one he did. He said one year later. Yeah. Yeah. He told Sanze one yard or whatever. But that, yeah, that was, uh, that part was, was illegal and you cannot do that. So we moved off Wyndham, but he did have some comments afterwards. I kind of, I mentioned this on Twitter. It was, it was kind of, I don't know, it's sitting there watching it on Saturday of, you know, we'll get to the Sunday part of live, but I don't feel like there was a lot of people switching between the two.

I felt like pebble had the show on Saturday and it felt like Wyndham Clark had the golf world on Saturday. He shot a course record 60 and then got into the booth and spent 15 minutes being in front of at least a million viewers, maybe multiple millions of viewers, uh, talking golf and kind of endearing himself. And as of the week before he was exploring options with live. And he had a possibility of being play of playing and live my a Coba, Tiro Hatton that Tiro Hatton spot was either Hatton or Clark from what we've

heard. And he made some comments afterwards saying, uh, I definitely met with live and went through those discussions. I wanted to see what they could bring to the table. I ultimately declined going to live because I felt like I still have a lot of things left in the tank on the PGA tour and wanted to chase records. I wanted to see what they could bring to the table. I ultimately declined going to live because I felt like I still have a lot of things left in the tank on the PGA tour and wanted to chase records. I wanted to chase world ranking. My dream is to be at least to be one of the top players in the world. If not the top player, at least for this season, I'm a hundred percent set on the PGA tour

and I want to try to get as high in the world as I possibly can. Uh, and he continued. I honestly have to give a huge hats off to Adam Scott, Patrick Cantland, Jordan speed because they have put so much effort in and Tiger Woods, but they put so much effort in making sure the PGA tour is going to make, make the right moves to continue to try to be the best tour. And they also gave me some really great advice and some counsel. I didn't want them to sway me in a certain way,

but I definitely wanted to hear their counsel and I just wanted to honor them and the amount of time and work and effort they put into this agreement now with SSG and where the tour is going. I found those comments to be pretty refreshing in the whole situation to be somewhat of a win for the competitive golf structure to that, uh, that Wyndham's great play this week was on display for a lot of people and not wasting away on the CW. That's my thought on that. I thought he was, I liked it that he was honest, that he at least said, yeah, I met with live

and thought about it. I considered it and decided against it. Like I, I don't like when guys are like, oh yeah, I considered some options and you know, but you know, I'm happy where I am for now. Like the one thing I've always found about Lindem in the last year since like knowing that he speaks pretty honestly about a lot of stuff. Yeah, I think too. Yeah. He spoke English, right? He just put it out there. He didn't try to hide

from it or whatever. And that's certainly his right to talk to live. The fact that it came down to the wire that he may not have been playing in this event and then goes on and wins seems like a pretty good affirmation. $3.6 million per se as well. Um, also like the tour put together, uh, I don't know, I'm normally very critical of PJ tour, you know, socials and everything. Um, the tour put together like a fly fishing video of him short, short thing of him in Colorado. I thought it was excellent. I learned more about Wyndham in that he's got, he's like, he's, he's a damn good fisherman too. There's some,

that's how he got to shoot in 60. It was catching some big fish. That's how he, uh, it deared himself to TC, but listen, he'd be a lot richer if he was playing on the CW this past week, but again, sitting here as a golf fan, I think that's a, again, I've made it very clear what my thoughts are on the competitive golf structure. And that was important to, to, to have him make that decision. I thought was a rare dub for W to start off the season. So, um, you want to talk a little big picture stuff, Rory Spieth, uh, some of the comments that came out this week, TC.

Yeah. Catch me up on that a little bit. I was kind of That I kind of missed some of that back and forth like traveling home and yeah Like you know, I like I saw some of Rory's comments, but I didn't really see space back and forth with it Yeah, so one thing just of note Rory took himself off a text chain with the top players I don't know who exactly is in that, uh, that text chain, but felt like that is something that's something to keep an eye on. Right. I don't know what his, uh, what his level of, of fed up is and, and kind of frustration with the whole situation and, uh, trying to influence people and not trying to influence people is at this point, but, um, speed took the mic on

Wednesday at his press press conference and had these comments to say, he said, at this point, the PIF were interested in coming in on terms that our members like and or the economic terms are are at or not beyond SSGs and they feel it would be a good idea. I think that's where the discussions will start I'm gonna pause on that just to say like that first sentence reads a whole heck of a lot like Tour players think they have leverage here, which, uh, we could certainly debate and discuss that, uh, after this, but, you know, uh, other comments on the PIF deal, he said, I don't think that it's needed. I think the positive would be a unification, but I think that like I mentioned before, I just think it's something that is almost not even worth talking about right this second, given how timely everything

would be to try to get it figured out. So, but the idea is that we have a strategic partner that allows the PGA Tour to go forward the way that it's operating right now without anyone else with the option of other investors, whether them or somebody else that will just be the decision with them obviously being, you know, the active talks. But I think the short answer is we don't have to, and I think the long answer is the positive there is unification. But like I've mentioned before, we have members that feel strongly on both sides. So until that would be able to be solved, and that would be number 10 on the list of 10 things, despite any government interference on what they've talked about being a lengthy process, it would be a situation that should be, we

should try to have, but I'm not sure, you know, if or how or when it would get done. Oh, so I struggle to think that the SSG Cohen and blank and, you know, Werner and John Henry and all those guys would sign up for this. If they were signing up to take on the totally. Great Saudis, right? And it's, you know, um, that's not just raising this question with George. Is he like, is he kind of just grandstanding a little bit right now? Is this like, uh, I don't know. I'm not trusting anyone on the tour side to play actual chess moves right now,

but is this like a little bit of positioning for DOJ situation or maybe trying to leverage a little bit? Cause again, I, I'm very much on the Rory side of this of, and also is he kind of placating and kind of pandering to a bit of the tour membership that maybe not is not ready to hear that we, you know, we need to come together and do a deal with the Saudis to, to unify golf again. Because I still struggle to, I mean, John Henry was on, we just found out today, John Henry was on the trip over to Saudi Arabia with Jay. I believe I've gathered that from the article that headlines I saw on Twitter today, like they want the deal with PIF.

Yeah. And from what I've heard, like the deal with like, I think the Fenway folks like potentially had a deal with PIF and the DP world tour. If the SSG plus PGA tour thing didn't go through. So they were going to be working with the Saudis one way or another. Um, but yeah, that's my thought is that it's speed, kind of slow playing things a little bit, allowing sentiment to catch up among the membership. And then, you know, and then we can kind of go from there, right?

Because like this is all both happened very quickly, but also like kind of haltingly, you know, where it's like, that's been my biggest kind of question mark is it seems like there's such a hurry up and wait mentality. And we thought all this stuff was going on behind the scenes for the last six, eight, nine months since last June. And then seemingly like nothing happened until, you know, after the first of the year almost I wonder how much of just pride. So like, like, it's like, you know, we put a shit ton of work in this and we're, you know, we'd like to feel like that we have something substantial here.

And, you know, I just feel like that that was, well, some of it was driven by and some of why they like hopped on the phone and kind of, I don't know. Talked for an hour. Royans beat that after this. Yeah. Yeah. And I've got a little, I've Roy's quotes if you want here as well. But he said, my thing was that if I'm the original potential investor, that thought that they were going to get this deal done back in July,

and I'm hearing a board members say that, you know, we don't really need them. Now, how are they going to think about it? What are they going to feel about it? They are still sitting out there with hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions that they're going to pour into sport, I don't know about trillions, right? And I know what Jordan was saying. I absolutely know what he was saying and what he was trying to say. But if I were piff and I was hearing that coming from here the day after doing this SSG deal, it wouldn't have made me too happy, I guess. Honestly, my read of that is that what Jordan was essentially saying, like, Doug, you asked

to be out of this. Like you, you aren't on this anymore. Can you let us, can you stop talking? Like that, that's honestly what my guess is that that phone call was essentially like, yeah, you might be right, but can you just like not be like giving these interviews anymore? Because we are working, we're doing the work that you did before. And you kind of decided you don't want to be a part of that. And all due respect, you put in a ton of work. Now you need to like let us handle it from here and just don't answer these questions anymore, please. That would be my guess as to what that substance of that was. Yeah. It's kind of like, it's somebody probably that has this startup that has sold it and

then the new owners, the startup are making decisions that you don't like and you just can't stop yourself from weighing in on it. But like, Rory's right here. I mean, he, you know, he is, he has been pretty, uh, cordial on both sides with Piff and Yasser and, and, you know, the PGA tour side. And he's like, he is, he is extremely unpopular right now amongst almost all factions. It's, it would appear. I mean, top players on the PGA tour are, you know, are kind of fed up with Rory and just, you know, kind of flip flopping and not really having a clear, uh, clear vision or clear statements. He's changed his mind, which I think is a positive quality of a lot of people, but some people view negatively. All the live bots obviously hate Rory for a lot of reasons. Like he's

probably, he's got, he's fed up with all this, but he's put a ton into it. And to have like a lot of that, we're getting closer and closer to this unification thing and to have Jordan stand up and be like, I don't know if we need it. It's kind of like, dog, what is, what war is not an option anymore? All right. They've won. Like let, we're going to figure out what the hell this actually looks like and who wins and all this, but like they're going to be involved. You're not going to beat them in a war. I, at one point're not going to beat them in a war. I at one point, I thought they could beat them in a war. I thought the competitive golf structure structure would win out. I've given up on that, like, especially after June six, like you can't do the

June six thing and then explore a world that does not include them. And I don't want to root for that world. I don't want to root for, I'm rooting for the PGA tour in this only because that's like the best competitive golf structure that I see going forward. I do not see everything ultimately accumulating at live. I think there's a world where PGA tour golf makes sense in part of the year and live golf makes another part of the year. We'll talk about that when we get to the lift section here, but.

There's no way that these two continuing to war and play events opposite each other. Results in anything good for the golf fan. There's no way. So that's the part where I'm with Jordan's comments. I'm like, dude, I don't, I don't know if you guys think you're holding the cards. I do not think you guys are holding the cards. Yeah. My big fear too is that the, you know, on that note with Jordan,

it seems like cause I've just been trying to think, Hey, where, you know, guys buying in at $1.5 billion, where's the, where are they seeing the, the untapped value? And are they seeing that with, hey, the Saudis are going to pay above market value for buying into their shares and then all that? Or is it something to where do we think that the PGA tour, whether that's with the live guys or without the live guys, or whether that's with the live guys or without the live guys, is basically gonna hold the majors by the balls and say, hey, USGA,

because like this was coming down the tracks, you know, pre-COVID after the DJ ruling at Oakmont and all this, and you know, pre-Wan of like, all right, USGA, PGA of America, with both PGA championship and Ryder Cup, Augusta, RNA, our purses need to go up. They need to triple. And then also you need to pay 30% of gross revenue to the PGA tour to top us up or to PGA tour enterprises or to whomever to top them up and basically as like a sanctioning fee or participation fee or whatever.

I think that's where it's like, if we start going down that road too, because I think there's so many different quotes this week from players who are like, you know what? We got to start putting the fans first. Like, all right, like that's total bullshit for most of them to say, because these are the same guys who won't wear

a microphone during a round or, you know, forced a lot of the changes through their, their almost anti-fan. And so it's like, guys, like you can't just get up in there and say, like it's the proof is in the pudding. And you got to tell your agent to go along with that as well. Because as soon as the agent, you know, as soon as the tour starts making asks or tournaments start making asks, the agents are still saying no to stuff. And so I think there's just, there's so much double talk going on of,

hey, we care about the fans. Like, no, you don't. You're just seeing that as somewhat expedient for business purposes now to maintain the core audience and not have it bleed away anymore. It's so hard to see to get like 45 minutes with somebody to like sit down for a story or an article. I mean, that's exactly what I was thinking about is like trying to get some of these

guys to like participate in something that would have a wider reach than just like the media golf audience is really hard. And the mentality of that to change, I don't know, like if that's going to come. Even, even having one of them come over, like, you know, props to the guys that came over to our live shows Tuesday and Wednesday, but for every one of those guys, there's five that, you know, they would say no, or, Hey, I'll do it tomorrow or this isn't a good week. It's like, Hey man, you've got basically four practice round days here. Like you,

you know, you've seen this course before and give us five minutes or 10 minutes. So that's not to sound ungrateful, like super grateful to the guys that came over and spent quality time, like a Lucas Glover or Max or a JT. But like, man, like it's just a lot of little stuff like that that adds up to, you know, and it's, and it's, it's like inward to the tour too. Part of the reason the tour is social stuff sucks is because the players won't play ball. Right. Like the players refuse. Like part of the reason the European tour has unbelievably great social stuff is because Gibbo and some of the other guys up there have, have fostered such great relationships with the players and they trust them implicitly

to produce this great content. I'm with you in total TC. The only stand up I'll do for, for a lot of tour guys is going to an event reminds you of how many asks they get. Like every time I'm going up to do, I just feel bad. I'm like, dude, they just had PJ tour guys there. You got, you know, this reporter here is getting quotes. You got, but like it's just the more you say yes, like that's what Rory's

kind of got himself into. He says yes to a bunch of stuff. Max. He says yes to a bunch of stuff. Max as well says yes to a bunch of stuff and we all love them for that. But like they're starting to also realize not starting to, they've probably realized this a long time ago. The more you say yes, the more people are just going to ask five times more, right? Cause they feel comfortable with it.

And it's there's a, there's a happy medium to be reached here. There is a, like I'm, uh, you know, I'm, I'm in on a lot of the stuff live is doing, like with like microphones actually out on the course will carry so much of this, right? Like I, I get the whole like, Oh, there's a lot of stuff I talk about with my caddy out there that I don't want out there publicly. Like, all right, well, there's been NFL sounds of the game for like 25 years and there's a trust layer that comes with like, yeah, if they're talking about, you know, family and stuff, that's not going to make the final cut. But like when you're talking about certain stuff that's

interesting to fans, we can edit that and make that happen. And that's where there's got to be some value, unrealized value there. And I think if you're asking, where does SSG view the value of 1.5 billion in the PGA tour? I think they're going to be buying up assets. I think they're going to be like owning golf in general, right? Not even necessarily just professional golf. They're going to buy up just throwing examples. They might buy Pebble Beach, right? They might buy the Ryder Cup. They might buy the LPGA. Like there's more money coming in and I think it's going to be plays like that and more than it is. Like we think we can make that much more revenue off of just

the PGA tour. And that's where that's where I get to with, with the major stuff of like, all right, cool. We're only going to participate in the Ryder Cup unless you give us, you know, it's kind of like what the NFL is proposing with ESPN right now, right? Of like, Hey, we, you know, ESPN can't really afford some of these rights fees anymore. So, Hey, we're just going to give you some equity and have you help us make

this product the best it can possibly be. Um, you know, on the flip side of the suggestion by the golf channel, talk about distressed assets that let's be able to like have better value. By the, you could, you spend, instead of spending 600 million on John Rom, I got to think you could get the golf channel for 3, 400 million and you could basically like ramp the production value way up there and like basically, you know, show more stuff, make players do more interviews. And you could basically like ramp the production value way up there and like basically, you know Show more stuff make players do more interviews like I mean that's a be a great way to promote your product

If live had just bought the golf channel and be like guess what all live events are gonna be you know involved in the golf channel now That man that would have been a pretty good investment. I think if they do that if they buy the golf channel I will call off the dogs with Brian Roberts. I will sign a, a, a truce agreement of Vienna or, you know, Versailles treaty or whatever. Uh, we'll do a Marshall plan. We'll help them build back up all that stuff. Um, and yeah, totally. Like, like Sally, to your point, like I get it with all the asks and like some of that's because the tour does a lot of shitty asks or they don't prioritize stuff correctly or there's you know, like, and my thing with the live show last week is like, all right, this is

the title sponsor, you know, of the event, basically putting us out on the range. Fans loved it. You know, it got so much positive feedback from people of like, Hey, like this was, this was what golf coverage should be. This is what golf channel should be doing. And they're not capable of doing it. Like, you know, that's fan friendly stuff. Like that works.

Right. Um, just, yeah, I don't know. I just get to the point though, we're like, if the USGA, basically the USGA is going to need to say, Hey, here's, here's what we're taking the revenues from the US open for, and here's what we're taking the revenues from the US Open for, and here's what we're doing with them. And I don't think they've done that. It's just been, hey, we're lining our pockets and we're just fattening the bureaucracy among the PGA of America or the USGA. They're not telling the story of how this benefits the game at

large because really, they've got the ultimate trump card of like, Hey, we're like, this is what we're doing with this extra $45 million from the Fox deal or that, you know, NBC is now paying, uh, you know, for the Fox deal. This is where it's going. This is what we're doing to grow the game. And you throw that grow the game thing right back in the, in especially the live guys face. See, T C, I think that info is out there. I just think tour pros don't listen.

Like they don't, they don't, they don't tell us. Like, yeah, they probably do. Like, yeah, look, I'm sure they can prove the way they communicate all that stuff. Yeah, but what, yeah, but all right. Like when they, when they tripled or quadrupled or whatever the TV deal, when Fox paid an ass load for it, right? They didn't tell the story of like, you know, they, I think they increased the purse 10, 15% that next year, but they never, there was never any big initiative or there was never, you know, all that money just kind of got lost in the, in the cracks and dispersed within the greater bureaucracy of the USDA, right?

Yeah. And I want to make clear too, I don't, I don't think this is like all going to be a very, a rosy, clean. I don't think SSG, PIF and PGA tour and DB World are all combining to like make golf amazing for viewers. I, I, the number one, number two, number three, number four, number five goals are going to be profits, right? And how fucked up is it that we're sitting here rooting for the private equity guys because the tour, because tour leadership is so incompetent. T.C. I got a lot of like, like, like we're rooting for them to come in and fire a bunch of people. That's how bleak like the situation that we're in right now. That's insane.

T.C. I got a lot of comments from in the DMs about how I should apologize for my apology to the private equity that I should have a double inverse maya culpa that private equity should have to show their work about what jobs they've created. So might have to get on that. It's a tough look for big J. I have you and Randy dive into that, you know, side of things. That's enough big picture stuff.

Let's clear out the remaining stuff we have from, uh, from Pebble Beach. Tom Brady had one of the great all time tops, uh, that we've've ever seen that was making the rounds. He was claiming that he got the clubs straight off the rack. I don't know if he was, you know what, I gotta say, I'll do some reporting on that. That might have been right off the rack, but he's using a putter that he has had for like 12, 13, 15 years. So why he would show up to pebble, buy a driver in the pro shop and then take it just no swings right off the first. He's ridiculous. Like bring your own friggin driver unless you broke it. Uh, something. There's no reason. I want like throw the airlines out of the bus. If your driver's been broken on

the flight in, but that those are his regular clubs. Tom is not flying commercial out to this, but there's no airlines. Back from Australia. That's was that because he was down in Australia when we were down there. And then he was, he was a little birdie told me he was over at Cyprus on Thursday morning, warming up for the tournament. I'm not sure if he was at spy glass that day. So he just figured the range at Cyprus was just as convenient. You know, definitely got a lot of work in that morning. I'm told. So you got to laugh that off, man. If you dead top one, you, with a lot of people watching,

there's a great opportunity to endear yourself. You have to laugh that off. You cannot get a very much of a competitor. You had very serious look on his face and all that. It's, it's, that's not going to, not going to fly. He just had a big deal go through, right? He's like a, he's the largest shareholder noble, TB12 and noble kind of, you know, joining up. Um, the re, uh, I want to give a shout out to JT post and is now up to 12th in the world in the data golf rankings. He just absolutely continues to stun.

He's made every cut since the travelers last year. He has seven finishes in the top seven since then. he's been the best putter in the world. Uh, strokes gain wise over that time. He's gained strokes in every single event he's played since then. I just kind of snuck up on me. I saw some people tweeting about that, uh, this morning, but yeah, 12th in the world now in the data golf rankings. That's counting every, all the golf everywhere in the world. So, you know, I'm a, I'm a, you know, long time member of the, uh, the postmaster union, uh, you know, postman's sweet. He's, he's a, he's a fucking player. Also people are, people are going postal on us for missing the,

the off the rack reference from entourage. I guess it was, it was a, it was a reference to off the rack from entourage. So sorry. I haven't, I've watched entourage in like 15 guys. I tried to forget entourage happen. That was, that was one of those. I mean, you go back in college, that was the coolest thing ever. Now you go back and rewatch that. That might not be the show, but I promised a little bit of a review of the beluga big board. He, if you missed it, Neil, our guy, he, uh, ranked everyone in the field one through 80,

which was not necessarily how he, he expects them to finish in the tournament. There's a lot of, a lot of personal feelings with that. I'm just going to review the top 10, the bottom 10. Uh, if you'll allow me, he, uh, wait, so, so, so this isn't to like, like, what's it for them? I don't know. I think he didn't even know either, but it was kind of a vibe, you know, a vibe. If you came by the range and said, hello, he probably bumped you up and spots on the on the vibe list, but he had max at number one who finished 66th. He had Xander at 50 at two and Xander finished 54th. Just getting word Xander has withdrawn from from the waste management as well.

What is going on in Scottsdale? We can look into that. Jordan at third finished 39th. He had Scotty at fourth who finished sixth. Victor, he had at fifth who finished 58th. Rory at sixth who finished 66th. Country Music sensation Eric Cole and Colin Moriakawa at seventh and eighth, they both finished tie for 14th.

Sung Jae at nine, he finished 66th. and Jason day at 10 who finished in sixth place. So in his top 10, only two guys finished in the top 10. And that was Scottie Scheffler and Jason day. So like, can I just point out a couple of his notes here as I'm looking at the file as well for Victor. He said he's been grinding on the range. Like, but that was like a thing that made him think it should be up like in the top 10, as if that would be a decade. Yeah. That he had found it something. I'm not sure. Well, the wind and was grinding on the range too. Uh, the Scotty who he said his fifth is maybe not a mutter, uh, but too good to

fall out of the top five. I guess that's a fair review of five. Listen, I don't know. Like how does Sung Jae ever finish outside the top 30? That's insane. Sung Jae is, I kind of mentioned him on the preview shows this week of like, dude, like time to do something. He's been playing way better than I realized. It's just been like some of the most forgettable golf. He never wins and he doesn't like top 10. He just like top 20 and 25s all the time, but just extremely,

extremely forgettable from what we kind of saw. And Jay, the new big tone. No, we don't. Big tone got close all the time. So Jay doesn't even get close to winning. It's kind of frustrating, but Neil's bottom 10. He had Thomas Detri at 71st who finished fourth place, of course. Lee Hodges at 72nd.

He finished 58th Hayden Buckley at 73rd who finished 77th. Ooh, Lee Hodges at 72nd. He finished 58th. Hayden Bucklitt, 73rd, who finished 77th. We got to give the biggest shout for that one. Sam Ryder, 74th, but finished 31st. Then he had Nick Hardy at 75th who finished 47th. Kitty Yama, 76th, but finished 39th. Luke List, 77th, but finished 26th Matthew Pavon, 79th, but finished third place. And I did call that one out in the, in the, in the, in the moment of like, I really don't like that would deal. And SH Kim, who he had never heard of finished started, had him ranked 80th, finished in 31st place. So you know what? He's heard of SH Kim now. Yeah.

That's right. Anything else from our, from our week on the grounds, you know, getting, I, we, we talked a little bit about getting a do shows from the range. We did three hours of live shows. If you haven't, I'd recommend going back and listen to them. That they're still relevant week after the tournament, but we've kind of always wanted to, to post up at the range and do exactly what we did to have guys come through the show that we could get, um, which, you know, the weather

kind of did make it a little bit more difficult on us because Wednesday afternoon was kind of a wash. A lot of guys were, you know, getting out and practicing and didn't really have as much time to swing through as maybe we had hoped. We had a lot of prompt. We had a lot of yeses that didn't actually end up coming through. Um, you might have to talk to your boy Tommy on that one. Uh, uh, T C that cause he didn't follow. I think he was over at spy glass on Wednesday.

So practicing. Uh, and then, and then, you know, same with Ludwig, uh, few other guys as well. So listen, well, we will be collecting on those plus interest. I think we learned a lot about how to do this, right? If we, if we hope we do it more in the future, um, and we, you know, might lean on the tournament a little bit more to kind of help us bring guests through and whatnot. Cause Hey, it was a lot, it was a lot of golf to talk for, for six hours over, over a couple of days.

I have a lot of respect for the radio guys that can just sit and talk for great periods, great long periods of time. But Max came and spent a lot of time with us. JT came through with term director, Steve John came through Lucas Glover Maverick, Neely saw it to Gala. A bunch of guys came through. It was, it was a lot of fun. So wanted to thank AT&T for that because that was kind of something we said we wanted to do and they made all that happen. And that is kind of again, part of the reason why we end up hating on the tour so much and hating on the sponsor so much is because things like this don't come to fruition. So we definitely need to give proper shout outs to bring the main thing being like we ended up with something

that we thought was going to be really great for our audience and enjoyable and a lot of different fronts of videos that came together as well. All happened with a sponsor that gives a crap about their product and elevating their event in the right way. So I wanted to shout everyone else and the tour for signing off on that. So, I'll just say in comparison to other sports, though, when we were talking about like, are they going to sort of use this money for other reasons in

almost all their sports, particularly NFL, which I covered, you know, a long time, you have to make yourself available to the media. Like you have, there is no like, Hey, like I'm just not, I'm not feeling it this week. Like you, if you duck the media repeatedly, you get fined by the league. And obviously like that's not going to happen because this that's a collective bargaining issue that's sort of something that's worked out. But the expectation is, Hey, the media comes around, around like you're gonna turn and you're gonna talk because that's our You know extension to the fans and so I would like to see more buy-in from players being like alright You know what I don't love this, but I'm gonna go and do my three minutes on you know It doesn't even have to be in all you it's like hey this this entity is is having a little bit of a live from the range thing

We're gonna if I'm asked to drop by'll have to do my three minutes because that's part of promoting this business and I'm a shareholder in that business. Now I'm going to do it. Well, shout out to the golf channel too. They, they had an elevated presence on site with preview shows, golf central, a set there on the 18th tee and they moved the set when the wind picked up on Wednesday to the range as well. Had guys coming through McKenzie Hughes, you know, live reaction to the SSG deal and things like that.

Like I appreciated them kind of elevating, uh, no pun intended there of, of their, these events need to feel bigger, right? Like they are bigger and more significant. And if you want fans to feel that way, you got to do, uh, invest in some, some, some surrounding media. Um, that's, cause that's what's been a huge frustration is like the broadcast partners own everything on site like for Monday to Sunday, right? They own everything and they don't do enough with it Monday to Wednesday, right? There's all these ideas that we always have of

what love to come on site and do this, this and this and they're like, no, that's sold, that's sold. Okay, well, where's the content from this? Like, where, where is it living? And it just doesn't happen. That's the most frustrating thing. So again, even if it's not us delivering it, the, the, the NBC CBS and everyone kind of investing in the, in a lot of that product is a good thing for golf fans overall. So agree. I think too, it was so fun to just be able to like kind of tap in and tap out and be able to go walk the range or talk to guys or, you know, like actually learn

something out there and bring that to the fans. I think, um, yeah. I mean, props to props to 18 T for going out of their way to make their, their event feel elevated. I think the tour at large, like hasn't done a lot to make these first two signature events feel distinct from the rest. And I think, you know, some of that, like, I, you know, I get it that they're taping this thing together by the seat of their pants because, you know, they're, it's, we got another eight or nine years of this TV deal and we've got long-term, you know, sponsor commitments and all that. But like they've, they've tapped AT&T out as far as like, hey, they've answered the bell.

Hey, we're going to pay more and more for this event. If you're a signature event, the tour should basically be, all right, for that last hour of the broadcast, you get commercial free. And it's brought to you by the title sponsor of that event. And listen, I know there's red tape. I know there's existing contracts. I know that's probably the most valuable inventory that NBC has and it's, it's, you know, or CBS has, it's, it's tied in with a bunch of other deals, but figure it out. You know, that's why, that's why Jay Monahan makes what $20 million a year, $22 million a year. Like, come on. Uh, also,

that's kind of in turn though. He part of the reason he makes so much money is because of the ads. True. No, I true. But yeah, but yeah, but it's, you know, it's like when you've got a title paying 30 or 40 million dollars for something that doesn't make sense from just a media, you know, a strict media views perspective. Somebody else has said RG said Sung Jae is Charles Howe the fourth in the comments. I think we're on like Charles Howe the fifth now because then wasn't somebody else Charles said RG said, uh, uh, Sung Jae is Charles, how the fourth in the comments, I think we're on like Charles, how the fifth now. Cause then we, so it wasn't somebody else, Charles, how the fourth a couple of years ago, potentially.

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Want to shout out the reception that we had for the live show as well. Cause that was number one, a one, two, three, four, five concern about that was like, can we really broadcast live with a perfect connection from the range? And of course they delivered on that. So we rocked them. All right. The stage is cleared for the rest of this show, I imagine just as the stage cleared for live golf on Sunday, pebble was rained out, no football football cold weather across the United States. I cannot dream up a better situation for the live golf tour. Walking nemen won the event in a four hole playoff in the dark with Sergio Garcia. KBV. What's your what's your reaction? Did you watch much live golf on Sunday after pebble got rained out? I recorded it and I watched some of it. I didn't get to see the very end. I

You know what? It's just still not for me. There's just too much going on I wish that frankly now that the I guess they've gotten more players and that the product has improved a little bit I wish they could just chill the fuck out and like show golf product has improved a little bit. I wish they could just chill the fuck out and like show golf. They're still kind of hung up on, I think chasing an audience that truly doesn't exist. Like the kids who watch Good Good or Bob does sports or whatever. I just don't really see them being like, you know, I really want to see is Terrell Hatton and Phil Mickelson and walkie neiman. So I still wish they would appeal to like golfers, but I do think, you know, that this was a sort of a positive moment for Liv to have the stage to themselves and have a bunch of people be like,

all right, well, I guess I'll check it out. And that's been a barrier for a lot of people is just like, you know, I flip onto it for 10 seconds and it's stupid. And so having to kind of sit and actually let it, you know, marinate a little bit, I think has certainly been looked at a positive for them. I don't think you can judge by the Twitter reaction because Twitter's just not real life. And so all the people who were like, Oh, I finally gave live a chance. I just don't know that that's a big actual needle mover. But I do think it was certainly a positive, you know, momentum for them. I'd be curious, all these, you know, coupled with WDs from Phoenix, I wonder if they're, you know, we're Xander and Victor sitting around being like, Oh,

this doesn't look so bad. Like maybe I'll go ahead and do that. I mean, do they, I'll say they still got, you know, Hatton still got caught on a hot mic being like, where the fuck is everybody? How are there so few people here? Uh, which is just, do we have verification on that? I looked for that and couldn't find it. By the way, somebody, somebody making that up. Yeah. I just want to be fair also, like there wasn't a ton of people with

them. There was a tour event at my Acoba either. You know, that yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. I don't know if you want to go first TC, but I have a lot of thoughts on this past week. Yeah. I mean, I, a lot of my thoughts are, are around the cliques and aces and like, they're, they're actual like golf thoughts. So go ahead.

So we'll get to that. I watched a fair amount of this on Sunday. It was, you know, truly only because pebble was rained out. Like I, it never even crossed my mind to switch over on Saturday. That's just kind of my preferences as a golf fan. I'm much more intrigued by pebble beach than I was my Acoba, which I, I must say, I felt this way when it was a PJ Tour event, one of the worst professional golf courses I've ever watched golf on.

Somehow they narrowed the fairways even more. It just again, that whole product is not really for me. I will say the broadcast really solid. They've toned down like the overwhelming propaganda of it all. Like it just feels more established. They feel it's maybe slightly more confident in it. You can still get a little, they can't help themselves in terms of just the little tinge of jealousy that comes out at the very end. And who is, who is doing that? Dom or Foltzi or all of them just a Dom kind of, you know, his interview with Joaquin. Do you think this win is going to get the attention of the governing bodies when it comes to majors? It's like, like, clearly this is the main thing you guys want. And we're still not ready to do this.

But I mean, good graphics, player caddy conversations, like a lot of things that I would love the PGA tour to implement. And mostly on the NBC side, CBS does a lot of this stuff. They don't quite get the audio still that, that live does. But I mean, it shows like absolutely stunting on NBC when it comes and the PGA tour when it comes to like what it looks like to invest in a product, a bunch of new tools of clubbing and stuff, which is a lot of it's probably not very accurate, but it's added to the viewer of like, yeah, this is probably a gap wedge out of the rough and all this stuff is, is good stuff, but they are trying. They're definitely trying. And I get the overwhelming takeaway I had from this though is in a world where these events stood on their own

This brand of golf would make a ton of sense. That's what they had on Sunday They had the stage cleared they had the golf world to itself and for the first time I dare to say this was an additive thing To the golf world right pebbles rained out like a fluke sequence of events all the best players on the PGA Tour are supposed to be playing at Pebble and they're not. And now there's golf to watch on Sunday. There's no football, nothing, not going up against anything else. Just an amazing sequence of events to line up for that. Is that what live golf is? Absolutely not. It is the exact opposite of the entire foundation of live. It is meant to disrupt. It is meant to hinder the PGA Tour. It is meant to damage the competitive golf scene at the very top. They used absurd

amounts of money to lure away top players in the game. And that whole disruption model was incredibly obvious when they sued the fuck out of everybody straight from the jump. Right? This is live is not here to be an additive thing to the golf road. It is meant to disrupt the golf world. So we're going to go like so much of what I saw and read yesterday was so like emblematic of the whole thing. Like only if you ignore the mountain of evidence and the entire picture of a hole as a whole and hone in only on the positives of live golf, ignoring the negative effects it's had, you know, focusing on only the negatives of the PGA tour, ignoring all the positives of the PGA tour, only then the positives of the PGA tour,

only then do you come up with a conclusion that's like, hey, see, pretty cool, huh? How could you not like this? And like literally the day before, when it was PGA tour versus live golf, I was not flipping over, I'd be shocked if the ratings for Saturday were any good. We don't have any of this at the time of recording this.

And like, again, it's still the same reason why this whole thing to me stinks just as bad as it did two years ago. Like Bryson should have been a pebble. Rom should have been a pebble. DJ should have been a pebble. If there's going to be a 54 hole winner at Pebble Beach, TC, it needs to be DJ. And like the reason they were at my Acoba and not pebble beach playing with the best players in the world is because a Saudi prince dangled money in front of them. They took it like nothing changes just because they had the stage cleared yesterday Life. I know life just doesn't work this way and you only get to be you know judged and evaluate You don't get to just be like judge and evaluated on like your best results, especially when like mother nature is the one that handed you

These results so I don't think like how great yesterday was in a lot of people's mind is the dunk that a lot of live bots seem to think it is because it kind of proves in my mind that having one golf event on TV is the better option. Like, and again, like in a vacuum was Sunday at live my a coba a bad thing. Like, of course not. But does this whole thing like exist in a vacuum? Like, no, it does not. For me personally, yesterday changes nothing other than like the continuing realization

that things might be fucked for a lot longer than we had even previously anticipated. I think it'll be really interesting this week with the Vegas. They're going to a Thursday to Saturday Vegas, you know, Super Bowl weekend, Saturday final round, you know, we'll see what they have up their sleeve for that. I'm hearing a lot of commercials on the telecast, which seems somewhat ironic, somewhat, you know, and, and now people are saying, well, you can get live golf plus and it's, you know, it's however much a month, but you get unlimited commercial free stuff. I don't know. We'll see.

I'm going to give it a little while this year to kind of see how they settle in. I think having Rob there and like he's Uber competitive, right? And I think that, that, that does give you some juice for, from a competitive standpoint of, Hey, this guy is, he wants to win. It doesn't matter what it is. It doesn't matter if it's a game of tic-tac-toe, like he wants to win. And for his team to win, you know, first go of it kind of says something, I think, but yeah, again, it's like, it's like some of the Neiman stuff falls on deaf ears a little bit for me where

like most of these guys didn't even try to qualify for the majors last year. Neiman's quote immediately after winning was dumb. It didn't even have the question out yet. And he said, but I'm not in the majors. Right. Which was like, whoa, is that quote? Just a whole case study of dude, you signed up, you got prepaid to play this tour. You just won $4 million for winning this event and you're thinking about majors in the moment you, you, you did this, like, right? Yeah. You made yourself a lot richer,

but like look at what you sacrifice as far as your competitive aspect in that regard. That wasn't even actually, he's in some of the majors. I think it's so gutless when they won't go through like the US open and open championship. If they're as good at golf as they sort of seem to be, why don't you breathe through qualifications? So quit crying and just like be in of seem to be, well, you'd breeze through qualifications. So quit crying and just like be in those majors. Like, yeah, you can't get into the masters. That's tough.

I get it. But you know what? That's what the money is for. Like, the fact that they wouldn't even like, Taylor didn't even try to get through qualification despite, you know, being the hottest player in the world. And then he legitimately said, well, I just didn't fit in with my schedule. What do you fucking care about, man? You absolutely.

I thought the schedule thing was the whole reason to go do live was because you're going to be able to pick and choose and be at home more and work on your game more and all this. And it's like, yeah, like, like if anything, that should piss these guys off even more. And that should be the number one thing circled on their list. Hey, I'm going to get into the majors and show these guys, you know, how good I really am. And I don't know. It's one of those things I think, you know, Joaquin's probably one of the guys that I was most sad to see leave. Right. I think Joaquin's really freaking good. He's won at Riviera. He's won like, like he hits golf shots, right? He's not a track man golfer. He's

good on firm and fast. He's an exceptional iron player. Um, you know, that sort of thing. So I don't know. I'm also, I'm really concerned about the Adrian Moranck fit on the cleats. We'll get to that. You see, listen to me. Well, I will say, I'm excited to see walking, even playing good golf again. One, the Australian open in the fall. Like he was one of the most disappointing drop offs. Like he did not play very good golf last year and like quickly became, we've talked about him kind of becoming irrelevant pretty darn quickly. That was, it's not a good development for anyone. I'm not rooting against anyone that plays on live. Again, the product is not what I'm looking for

out of professional golf, but I don't like root for any, like it's not fun to see Phil shoot a million over and finish 53rd out of 54 guys. I'm not rooting for that. Sometimes that's, sometimes that's fun. Like, I don't know. It's, you know, as much as I've like root against how they've made decisions in this, I don't find myself rooting against these players in majors. And it's not, I don't know. It's just a weird thing of like, do you guys tell me this, did anything about yesterday or maybe the rant I just had, uh,

maybe shift some of that as well, but did anything change in how all of the, in how you guys view any of this, uh, based on yesterday? No, I think it probably brought people, like, I've been kind of viewing through this lens for a while of like, Hey, like if, if I'm grilling out out back and there's nothing else on, I'll flip it on. And I, because I think the last nine holes of the third round are legitimately interesting.

If I flip on the first or second round, I don't give a fuck. Like there's, it doesn't mean anything, but like, I'll watch. I mean, I'll watch darts. I watch, like I watch anything that's got a little bit of, hey, who's gonna win? It's you know, it's kind of an interesting case study. So yeah, like I'd you know, it gets me going a little bit the back nine on Sunday, but again, like I you know I can flip on a cornfairy tour event or a challenge tour event and feel that way

Yeah, you know what struck me saw he's watching a little bit of it is it makes me have a appreciation for how good a little bit of it is it makes me have a appreciation for how good like Nance and Buck and Sansar are like setting up like what you're about to see. Like the live doesn't do that. We just don't get like any, there's no context when they sort of cut over to somebody real quick. I'm like, why should I care about this shot? Does it matter? Okay, well, then it's just another like, got random golf highlight in a lot of ways for me. And I feel like Farity can't do that. Folds doesn't really do that well. It's just, you can tell the difference between context, right?

And that's the, that's, they're missing it in the micro and in the macro. Like what is winning $4 million in this event mean? Nothing. That means nothing to your legacy or history or whatever. And maybe that'll change from a long time, but like, I just don't, I don't know why I should care when I tune into it in the smaller sense and the larger sense.

And I don't get why a small faction of internet users are so obsessed with people that don't care about it. Like why we don't care. Like we've made it very clear as to why, but they cannot accept. And that's honestly a deterrent to it too. It's like, it's such a turn off to just be like, Oh, you're such an idiot. If you don't like this, like, don't, don't critique what people like and don't like, right? That's not going to, that's not going to change. Right. And I think, like, do I expect the ratings for, I, the ratings for Sunday will be the best they've ever had on CW, almost certainly, right?

Just because of that sequence of events. Do I think it would have been a huge success if pebble had happened? Absolutely not. I do not. I think it'll be more interesting to look at Saturday, you know, pebble versus versus CW as to how that rates out, because that's what's going to happen in the future. The, these events are going to go up against PGA tour events. They're not going to get the stage this Saturday, this Saturday, Saturday versus Saturday, final round of, of live versus third round of waste management, Phoenix open on Super Bowl weekend. Let's let's let's do a tail of the tape there. I think that's a really good apples to apples. And if the if CW, if the live blows them away, I will hand up and say,

I'm immediately wrong on this. And again, I if all of golf ends up like at live, if that is the future, I will put a thousand hands up of saying I was wrong on this. Right. Like that is not in how how how I envision all this playing out. If that was the end game, I could maybe get more excited about this, you know, however many viewers turned it tune in on Sunday or the results or The excitement level of it if I viewed that as the future of golf Piff has indicated that they don't view it that way. They made a deal with the PGA tour, you know to assimilate within that and I think we probably end up the same place. I said we ended up a month ago, which is, you know, golf is played.

I don't know where and what, you know, in what kind of format and what not in terms of the individual events, but probably January through July or January through August and live becomes a fall series of events, a team series of events that makes way more sense than going up against PGA tour events. Right? So I don't think yesterday changed any of that. In my opinion, I'm happy to be wrong on that. I really doubt I have, I question their strategy a lot of like, you know what? This year we're going to go up against the top tier PGA tour events, like venues matter. Like people tune into PGA tour this week, like to watch Pebble and to watch Phoenix.

Like that stuff matters. Going to Las Vegas Country Club or, you know, they're going to Houston. Like, I don't think that like filling in the voids and the vacuum periods where it's like, hey, there's not a lot going on this weekend. We're going to own this weekend versus, hey, there's a finite amount of golf fans

and we're going to force them to choose between one of these two events. Like that hasn't worked for LPGA that hasn't worked for, you know, like the PGA tour versus football, right? Like so, so I would live, try to do it. I struggle with that a little bit as well. Only thing I'd add there is I wonder if they had this scheduled before Pebble was an elevated event. I mean, it's been a field that's been decimated in the past. I don't know.

That'd be the only thing there. And I, I get to like the biggest Super Bowl week. That makes sense to me. I guess I'll just pray your point. I think you, you made me consider it maybe a little differently. Maybe I got bought up into the little bit of the like, oh, this is what a good thing is if it were succeeding, if it were doing really well, they wouldn't need our like validation or our interest. There wouldn't be a constant like, oh no, you bet you watch now.

Like dude, like if you're doing well, then what do you care? Then we're on the losing side or that we're the, you know, history's great sort of losers. Like there's this constant need to be like, oh, well, you better start paying attention now if you're going to, you know, like, man, you've chosen like what you want to do. You can just like what you will like. You don't need my validation in it. And even, I mean, this is true from the players. It's true from the fans.

It's true from, you know, the executives all down the board. Like it's just, there's this still this need to like basically say, you know, why aren't you paying attention? Like if you're having success, you don't need my, you know, appreciation of it. Let's say they do have a bunch of success. Like let's say Vegas, you know what? It's it's electric. They get a bunch of celebs out. People tune in. You know what they parlay that success into? The next two or the next three weeks off and then they go to, they go to Jeddah, they go to King Abdullah economic city and play probably in the middle of the night. But AK potentially coming back for that.

I cannot confirm or deny that. That's just what's been floated out there. But it's also, the, what I really felt the, to be the most bizarre shift is this just like, I mean, look, now they have wrong, like the competition, it's better. It might be better at live. Like that, you know, they, they have better players now. Like let's put some facts to this. Okay. Data golf has this information.

And again, this includes all golf played anywhere. This is not the O WGR among the top 10 players in the world. How many do you think play on the PGA tour and how many do you think play on live among the top nine to one to two. It's Hatton is the other top 10 guy, but eight PGA tour, uh, ramen Hatton or the other, uh, two top 10 guys out of the top 25. How many do you think play? How many do you think are on live? Five, three, three of the top 25 players in the world, 20 play on the PGA tour, DP world

tour has 2, those are Nikolai Hoygard and Min Woo Lee who are now also PGA tour members, but classified as DP world tour members for the sake of data golf. Out of the top 50, live has 8 players, PGA tour has 37, DP world has 5, so 37 at the top 50 play on the PGA Tour has 37, DP World has 5. So 37 at the top 50 play on the PGA Tour and 8 play on Live. And now the top 100 live has 17 and PGA Tour has 71. So like, buy a big, big, big, big factor. The better golf is still played on the PGA Tour. And like, again, that's what I prefer. Like if the numbers were totally flipped here, it'd be hard to ignore and it would be hard to say that that's not the competitive ecosystem and structure of the golf.

Like if the numbers were flipped there, I would say live is clearly the best golf tour in the world. But that's just not the fact. It's not. It's not. Nobody loves the, nobody loves the term ecosystem like you. I do. Like competitive ecosystem, baby.

I'm sorry. That's just like the numbers don't lie there. I don't know how you structure that any differently. It's where you can other good. Sorry. Go ahead. TZ. Go ahead. I was gonna say, I think another like, all right, giving props or, or complimenting a positive here. Caleb's are up. Like that's what their strategy should have been. Sure. Throw more money at these good, hungry college players, raise the level, like raise the floor of guys in this where, you know, like you've got Siwan Kim out there last year struggling to break 80, you know, it's like, well, it's really hard to,

you know, whereas like this, like, all right, Nick Dunlap finished last at Pebble Beach. Nick Dunlap won two weeks ago and is, you know, by all accounts, top two or three most promising young player in the world. Right. So, you know, Serrat played really well this week, helped ROMs team win. Like that's an affirmation of, Hey, like if you want to spend your, your money, like I would, I think you could probably buy 10 Caleb Serrat's for the price of one Tirol Hatton. And to double down on that TC It is that is what you're describing as to why those there is so much bottom feeding in there is another major reason

Why they don't have oWPR points like it is filled with guys on long-term contracts It didn't qualify to be there the grand McDowell's the Ian Poulters the the westwoods right that got paid like but again That's what live golf is it's trying to pretend to be this major competitive thing, but it's not a quali, like there's a few qualifying spots in it, but those guys didn't qualify to be there and they have guaranteed spots. Like that is the problem. I saw a couple, we had a question come in from Jay Perry, 71, like why does the PGA tour 54 whole event get OWG our points and the live one doesn't? Because all the players that played in the, in the PGA tour event, aside from the four sponsors, which are the exception to the rule qualified to be there and play in a, again, competitive golf ecosystem that

is measured by a certain set of standards that live falls way, way, way short on. Like it's just that, that simple. It really is. None of that has changed. And it's also something we live to where like they did try to go after young players, they just chose bad ones and it's just poor scouting. It's also something we live to where like they did try to go after young players. They just chose bad ones and it's just poor scouting like James Pye and Andy Ogletree. Like they're like, yes, they won the, the US amateur US amateurs.

Like, you know, it's kind of like a one week fluke kind of thing instead of, hey, let's, let's, let's grab the guys with the best track record. You know, I think Pui, like Pui hasn't played his best golf yet or Chikara or any number of those guys, but yeah, it's just, I don't know. Do you think so? There's any thought amongst live like, man, we did this wrong. Why did we throw a bunch of money at Lee Westwood and Graham McDowell? People who didn't move the needle one bit for the ratings are proof of that.

If they could go back in time and be like, you know what? I actually want to sort of like think of this like in a legitimately different way. I have to, I'm laughing so hard at this. Like that was the PGL and why it didn't happen because there's no way to half ass this. There's no way to burst through the door, throw a bunch of money around and get a bunch of guys to leave and have it like come together.

And again, it goes back to like the PIF goal out of this is not. I don't think that what live currently looks like is what their goal is, like their end game out of this. Unless they truly think they're going to get everyone, which I would disagree with. There's no possible way this could be the end goal. The end goal is to leverage this into some sort of play with the golf ecosystem as a whole and the US corporate business as a whole. Like that is again the main driver of all of this and why it didn't make sense for them to Leroy Jenkins this thing like they have.

Like it all roots back to the same thing and no decent Sunday of golf is going to change like all of these underlying factors. I think Devils advocate that all you want. Like I'm, I'm here for this. Like I see, I feel like I see this very clearly. Oh, well, I don't think KVC is very clearly cause you can't see some of those cam Smith sunglasses. You know what?

I should have anticipated a one PM live show was going to cause some problems in the home office. And here we're, we're got a yanked wifi cord. We got son in my face. This is a tough look for me. You look like Kramer from that Kenny Rogers roaster. I was trying to, you know, slide slowly over into the sun was following you. I, Neil's going to send me a note and be like, we got to get your home studio better dialed than this. This is embarrassing. Yeah.

Yeah. Someone said I looked like I was in Yossers prison. So I don't know. Or MBS is jail. Embarrassing. Yeah, someone said I look like I was in Yossers prison. So MBS is jail. I don't think there's any light down there Yeah guys first thing I've got here is Cody's Cody After gentlemen, I will say one thing the magic six they stink right? All right, everybody knows that but if you watch their behind the music All right, I think they're crushing it on the business side, which is something that lives very, very excited in. And that's what they're kind of trying to push all these franchises to. So they might be last place golf,

but they have to be near the top when it comes to partnerships and expanding like brand identity and reach and everything like that. God. I mean, that's what they're going for. That's the whole entire point of all this. You got to leave with that, man, because that would have flipped my whole view of live golf. I would be so rooting for this. If it meant these guys were going to make more money, it was going to be more profitable. Fuck, I have to add that. They're not last place either.

They're nine. OK, right. So I think first and foremost, the ironheads are a fucking disgrace. Like Kevin, not bigger than the high. House in order. Do you think? He said a hundred percent, a fucking disgrace. Like Kevin, not bigger than the high flyer. House in order. Do you think he's a hundred percent? A hundred percent. The aces finished 12th this week after a minus eight first round to just completely limped home. Varner looks awful. Pat Perez, who, who knows what's going on with him

when on the home front there? You know, the range goats. Listen, you know, those, those off season moves, not paying dividends yet. High flyers finished 10th. The majestic's just, they just don't have any upside. They have the three captains still. You know, the CLEAKs finished eighth bad second round. They came out, came out of the gates, flying. I think they were in second place or tied for second after the first round. How to plus six third round. I just, I wonder about Moranke, Blandi had an ace. Well, you guys, you guys see that? You have anything to say about that?

I was just excited for you TC. You ought to get like 5.4 million dollars. It was electric on the, on the live tour, frankly. It was a, yeah. The, the, you know, Blandy's ace just, it was absolutely electric. Like Kevin, not like it was, he was basically doing the blocky. Like, did it go in? Did it go in? By the way, did you guys see blocky working with Gankis?

Yeah. Then joggers as well. He's getting, getting Scooby AF. Um, you know, yeah, Chimer's kind of dead weight, but I'm intrigued by with, with the, all the fins have been in my DMs. I can't pronounce it. I don't know if it's Kale, Kale, Samuia, Samuia, Samuja. I don't know. Everybody's trying to be like Ludwig now and just with the mispronunciations and just confusing it.

And finish, it's a language that doesn't make sense anyway. So, uh, smash midfield battle. Fireballs came on hot towards the end. Stingers, steady, ripper, massive ripping final round minus 10 there. Uh, Torque, third crushers coming out of the gates, hot, uh, 13 under final round. And then Legion 13 there at the end, which Kieran, Kieran Vincent's aesthetic just blows me away. I'm a little bit concerned that the range goats and Legion 13 have too similar of color scheme. I share the same concern.

TC it was, it was, uh, it was way, did you guys see the, the cleaks, uh, posted their team dinner? Did not. Well, they had some behind the scenes action. I don't get their news later. Like you do TC. I'll send it to you. It's all it was, it was delightful.

Blandy, Blandy's so funny. He's just, could not be more in on Blandy. Any thoughts to the changes that were made? They have, uh, I guess Hudson Swofford played in this, but he's not on a team. Uh, they, they changed it. So all four scores count in the final round, which I think is to add some volatility there in the team leaderboard. Um, I like that.

I think that's a good move. Uh, yeah. HUD finished 36th. Who else is in on a team? Listen, uh, is Ogletree on a team or he's on the high fliers, isn't he? Yeah. He's on the high fliers now. That's allegedly going to be a case role.

He's a be like a floating player. Dancing bear. That's, that is one thing they love to flex is like, yeah, we can change anything we want at any time. It's like, yeah, cause nobody's fucking paid attention. But, uh, I don't know. I, do you guys think this changes anything for live? We can, we can wrap it on that. No, not yet. I mean, you know, we'll see. Wait and see. No, not yet. I mean, you know, we'll see. Wait and see. No, no, but making very incremental. Progress, but I admit, I miss from, I, uh, oh yeah.

I tuned into like on Friday to like see some rom. I was like, I want to see Rom in this, in this environment. I definitely, I miss a chilo to players that are on live. Like that's one thing we get accused of that I will not stand for is like pretending like all these, it doesn't matter that any of these guys have left. Like it totally matters. It sucks. That's the part I hate about it the most. There's like 15 guys on live that I really wish played on the PGA tour still. And then we saw them play against like Scotty and Jordan. Like it is such a way. I said the same thing when Cam left.

It is such a waste of Rahm's talent to have him play on something called Legion 13. Like it is a waste of his talent. I'm sorry it is playing with Dean Burmester in the final round. Like it's just not it guys. It's not Dean. I think he's going to be interesting that this, you know, where he just loosely flooding F bombs fly right and left. I feel like ROM is going to get frustrated.

Like all throughout this season, the money is not going to be quite enough for him to make this feel like a great decision. It's not like he'd go back on it, but. Did you see the moment he's standing over a shot, one of the fairways, and he like is getting ready to hit and he like backed off and like stared at the rope line. Like he was getting mad at something and he totally forgot where he was. And he's like, Oh yeah, there's like music blasting. Like I can't tell anyone to be quiet. This is what I signed up for.

I can't, I can't yell at anyone for this. I got to go back. You guys hear it after the, after Blandi's hole in one, there was like one fan standing behind and the fan says, you're going to have to buy me a drink. Was that you? I, I, you know, I wish. Um, anything, uh, just a couple of things. Jeff Shackford pointed out that in LA it was not available to view on

Saturday on the CW and I don't know if you guys experienced this, but on my YouTube TV, it was not listed. Like I had to just go to the actual CW channel and like, I don't know. If like they're better off listing something not named live golf, hoping that it gets better ratings. Uh, but it was not listed as being on, Sunday despite it, you know the stage being cleaved I thought that I tried to find it that way like it was oceans 11 on after that So, you know, maybe you're right. I did the YouTube TV was able to find it. But yeah

They posted something Cam was cam was trying to dry fly in the practice round on one of those little weird canals that they have. I expect more from, you know, talking about fishing content this week with Wyndham, would have liked to have seen Cam have the right tool, right fly for the situation out there. Liv also announced this week any shot, any time feature coming vaguely this summer. Don't know when, when that is, but it was announced as a partnership with

Google and I don't really know if it is a partnership with Google. They were seems like that app partnership with the app that, that is powered by Google. Google cloud. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe like a partnership with Amazon. If you use AWS, like, that's kind of what it sounded like to me. All the being delivered by Amazon prime, which is where we have partners with Amazon. Yeah. I, I, uh, it's something we've wanted for a long time with golf. The, the, you mentioned this in your article this week, KVV, like the players had this at one point and it quietly went away for some reason. The masters has this.

Um, I, a lot of people patent live on the back for this. I'm, I'm in wait and see mode on how this all comes together. Most mostly led by the coming this summer, uh, vague thing, but also it's, it does not change the fact that I'm not interested in 99% of the golf that happens out there. So I don't know what that's revolutionizing. Um, are you allowed person? Are the, the, remember when initially you couldn't bet on live't know what that's revolutionizing. Are you allowed person? Are the, the, remember when initially you couldn't bet on live? I assume that's changed now, right? Are the, they're giving odds on live events,

like markets markets. Yeah. You can bet on it. It's just that they don't, or weren't originally, I don't know if they are yet, like providing like the proper, like I don't know the exact way to phrase it, but like the proper information feeds to betting houses that well, not only that, they weren't signing up for, you know, there's no, like the drug testing and the integrity policy and stuff like that. They weren't, they weren't feeding into that.

Cause their wish is their ultimate goal is, and this is popular, like in Europe, where you can bet on the individual, like shot for shot stuff, right? That that's what they see is like a huge potential revenue stream for them. Now you have to like have, you know, it can't be like a lag on your stuff. Like you have to be able to have like an app that you can place those bets directly with it. You know, you have to have, you know, qualified bookies who are able to set those odds are like, all right, this genre, I'm going to hit the green here. Like, you know, here's the, don't give you four to one or something. I mean, I don't, that seems like a future that's sooner, like for me farther away

than this summer for them. But that, I think, is certainly their goal because that's where they're going to get a lot of the degenerate gambling types. It's also like, seems hard to do without shot link. Um, but I don't know. Again, I, I, part of one final reason for my apprehension on everything with live is just kind of like this wait and see of what the hell is going to happen with

PIF and all of this, right? Like it's kind of the same way. I can't get by myself getting super hyped about the signature events on the PGA tour is like, dude, I don't know if this is the future of pro golf or not. Like same with whatever live is. I don't know if this is, you know, the future. I think we can all, I'd't know if this is, you know, the future. I think we can all, I'd be curious if anyone would disagree with this, even the biggest live fans, if like, if they would disagree with the statement of this would make way more sense standing alone in the fall with better, with a more complete field of players. Like I would challenge anyone to disagree with that. That's my take away. So I mean, you know, Graham McDonald might disagree with that.

He'd be out of a job, you know, he and polter might disappear with that. But other than that, there's money, there's money for that. There's a, I just can't, I just can't figure out what like, all right, we got these designated events. We've proven that the, you know, we can do smaller fields. It's not going to detract from the product. Like what's the players going to feel like?

Ah, players back to essentially the same per size as a signature event. A little bit bigger, but you know, split amongst 156 guys or 140 guys or whatever. Like, I don't know. It just, it feels like they've neutered the players in the process of making everything else feel bigger. I totally agree. I think that's the biggest loser of all events on the PGA tour calendar. That's why they should declare the players a major. They should just be, they should just go on and do it. It's not perspective. They should just do

it. They should say, don't get left out of the room. That is what if, what if they brought in, what if they said, you know what, the live guys can come play in the players or call it like that would be a jujitsu move. That would be interesting. Is there, do they have an event opposite the players this year? Let them choose. We'll see what. Let the boy watch. If they have an agreement in place by then, I would, they do not have an event. The April 10th, April 8th through 10th, or sorry, March 8th through 10th is there. So no, they have an event the week prior, but they don't have an event.

Uh, about the week we totally, I don't know if maybe this happened during my Wi-Fi outage, but we glossed over the fact that people were like pooping their pants, uh, in the early in the event, like they were, they was, uh, with rumors, they were going to have to cancel the final round or push it back. Yeah. Massive, uh, food poisoning. One of zoomers revenge. And then lots of angry denials from the live bots out there.

It was hard to say. It was started by a live bot that, that, that reports. So I think they got to look internally on that. But I would say to the, to the, the guys playing the players, I would also caution people of like, Hey, they're going to have a whole eligibility thing to work through whenever a deal, if a deal does get done, right? It is not. Oh, I do.

There'll be a sweepstakes. I do not see between that and the equity. Oh my God. Like it's going to get so much worse before it gets. It's going to be so pitchy. So, uh, real quick too. Uh, all right. Do you guys think this is who the aces are? Or do you think the ACE is, this is just a blip on the radar for the ACEs. It's much like the chiefs lost in week one, two TC and they may have the super are the ACEs contenders, chiefs, I'm selling. I know I still don't think the chiefs are

contenders. I'm selling, I'm selling the ACEs just like I'm selling the chiefs. You guys, you know, Ben will need to address Patrick Mahomes senior at some point as well. Disgusting, disgusting behavior. Other various stuff from around the golf world, Bernard longer tore his Achilles this past week and will miss what was supposed to be his last masters, which is unfortunate. I don't know if that means he's going to try again for it next year, but he will be out for quite some time. It's a tough injury. Dylan for anybody much less than 60 year old, 64 year old. Yeah.

At least Dylan for Tele wins in ball rain on the DP world tour and Isaiah Salinda won the Panama championship on the corn fairy tour by eight shots. Absolutely. Statement statement, stunting win at the Panama championship for Isaiah. So Linda's really good. Like kind of a perfect example of like somebody who he had like zero status a couple of years ago on corn fairy tour came out of Stanford, I believe. And, you know, just kind of patient, you know, makes it happen.

And then that's where depth comes from, right? That's where, you know, you learn how to be a pro. You learn how to do Monday cues. You learn how to do all that stuff. And I think Isaiah, so Linda like probably would be one of the top 54 guys on live right now, however many guys they have, right? They got 13 times four plus two. So just in the interest of fairness on that TC, he's 250 right now in the data golf rankings.

I know you're probably talking about potential, but in the interest of presenting that fairly, he had, he really struggled. Yeah. Yeah. And the, he really struggled in the middle of last year and missed six or seven straight cuts in a row. Did finish T seven at the Shriners on a, looks like a sponsor's exemption. I don't know if he, uh, Monday for that or not, uh, on the PGA tour. And then has played, uh, he missed the cut at worldwide technologies, but is opening his season here with an eight shot victory. So good for him, which how about, uh, how about for Telly?

He'll be one of the, I'm sure he's one of the more vocal guys bitching about, you know, European tour guys getting, getting PGA tour cards. How about him going over and, and playing some events over there? He was playing awful golf. He said, I don't know if he saw it. He said, he thought about giving up the game, but he was, he was, he said, I'm back. I'm glad I'm back over here. She may wonder if he's just going to be like a DP world tour guy.

He realized that maybe, you know, he couldn't hang on the PGA tour. He needs to, he needs to win Africa's major. He's 421 in the world after his win. Um, on the day to call for rankings, it was quite bleak last year. Guys, I have a, I have breaking news to report. Please do. We had a 66, 66, 66, 66 on the challenge tour by a Welshman,

Reese, Reese, Ennock. I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that Ennock. Ennock en OCH he won he did win he won by two. Okay. Do you have a name for this TC? If the 6666 on the weekend is the Mackenzie Hughes, what would to not win though? It's a different category. What would for this is just the this is just the mark of the beast, you know What would for this is just the this is just the mark of the beast, you know There was we kind of joke this is a picture from our way is we call him to soup Tron now T. C. Got two soups at the tap room. Yeah, so they have all these delicious soups and including a great chili they had a French onion they had a Forget what the the special was and then they've got, you know, another soup.

And, uh, oh, it was, it was a, it was an asparagus soup. Yeah. No, no, a artichoke soup. That's right. And I asked the lady, I said, Hey, is it crazy for me to get two soups? And she says, no, actually, that's not crazy at all. Some guy was in here a couple of weeks ago and he got three soups, which is that just knocked my knock. You really walked down there. Like you could have ordered four soups and which is that just knocked my, knocked my, I walked down there like you could have ordered four soups and been back on top. TZ and you just, you weren't ready to meet the challenge. Guy, you guys are making me hungry.

And we kind of skip lunchtime show here is not, all right, what's going on with Xander? Don't know anything about Xander. This is happening while we are live on the show, but I will say the Victor hot was received word this morning. The Victor Hovland thing is not in relation to him going to live. Cannot say anything more on that. Of course, obvious disclaimers could be being lied to.

He could always change his mind. But I do not think we will be seeing him play in Vegas this week. I do not know a single thing about Xander other than he's answered the question 50 million times and as many as, as much as I would have been surprised by almost everyone that has changed their mind, I would be very surprised if that was a change in the mind as well. So that's about all I've got from this week. This was a lot, a lot impacting this one. I'm very happy to have had a day to think about it all.

People were, you know, getting after me. They're saying they needed a comment from me about Nellie winning on the LPGA tour. You know, a week ago, all I'll say is good for her. Glad, glad that she's adding some more wins to the resume because it's a little light on the winds for being honest. That's fair to see. I root, I, uh, she's one of my fair players and I think that's a very fair, fair takeaway to not look great early in that round, but she's, she flipped it at

the bottom. So. All right. We got waste management coming up this week. Fair take away. Cause it did not look great early in that round, but she's, she flipped it at the bottom. So, all right, we got a waste management coming up this week. Of course, Super Bowl Sunday. We have lived Vegas. Um, a lot to, uh, lot to look forward to in this coming week in the golf world and, uh, we'll be back not live next week. Obviously. Um, but we'll have a show, uh, in your feed Monday morning and we'll have a, uh, a, uh, a, another deep dive episode.

The KVV and I have recorded quite some time ago. We'll come out finally this week. Looking at 1997 major championships. We'll probably have that out Wednesday as this show is hitting the airwaves on one of our faves. I think of what we've done. It was really fun, really fun. We have to record the next one now. Two episodes. Guys, may Kyle be with you. Okay. Big week for you. He's got a lot riding on this game. I need Steve Wilkes to step his shit up. Cause the last couple of weeks have not been, not been accepted.

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