No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 791: WM Phoenix Open Recap

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Nick Taylor survives a playoff with Charley Hoffman at TPC Scottsdale, as Soly, DJ, and Neil breakdown the week in Phoenix. What went right, what went wrong, Sahith, Scottie, Spieth, what makes TPC Scottsdale work, and a lot more. We also talk LIV Vegas, PGA Tour Enterprises equity grants, and more news and notes from the week in golf. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Ball knowers edition late night, Sunday night. I got the crew that I could wrangle to do a Super Bowl Sunday pod.

This is Solly, of course. DJ Pie here. Tricked him into doing the show before he knew it was Super Bowl Sunday. Hello, Pie Man. How are you? Hey guys, great, great, great day to be a golf fan. Tough day to be a ball knower. Can't wait to get into it all with you guys. Neil is here as well. Hello, Mr. Icarito. How are you? Good evening to you both. A total throwback episode for us doing it late at night, you know, just like it was before the kids, before just before a lot of stuff, solid. But a great day to be a sports fan.

I mean, wall to wall coverage today. I'm fired up to get into it. Normally, you know, the corrupt golf media types are rooting against a Monday playoff. Just, you know, you don't want the week to extend whatever. This was one I was like, let's let it go to Monday. We could do the show Monday. We'll feel a lot better.

We might be a little punch drunk in tonight's show. It's after 11 p.m. Which is quite late for us old old hags now, but this year we're gonna be celebrating moments of joy brought to you by a partner who has contributed to joyful moments in golf for over a hundred years. That's foot joy will be discussing some of our favorite moments in the game everywhere and all levels that you know create a motion that only a true golfer would understand joy, but also you know euphoria Satisfaction all those kinds of things are we're gonna do a regular segment. I'm teasing this now We're gonna do it later

But we're gonna do this a regular segment where we're gonna dive into moments that occurred somewhere somewhere in the golf world including our experiences that Had us feeling the joy. We're gonna go for more joy this year as you know Some of the topics around golf have not been the most fun to discuss So we're gonna try to hit these before we get into the not fun topics. That's my goal with this segment so shout out to our friends at footjoy guys. How does waste management keep doing it? It's like every single year this tournament is really really really exciting. We're gonna talk about some of the ways that may have jumped the shark but I'll start it with that. How does this tournament keep creating really exciting moments

and really exciting moments and really exciting finishes? Everybody wants to dunk on the TPCs, man. Everybody wants to dunk on stadium golf. But you know what? It turns out you create these risk reward crazy golf holes, and they're pretty freaking fun to watch every single year at this tournament.

Even, you know, a lot of the, a big calling card, I feel like of Phoenix has been firm and fast conditions, right? Especially on 17, like it, it's, it gets really spicy out there. You got to watch guys control and run outs and trying to hold fairways and all this stuff. But even when it gets soft, it was fun out there this week. So a different challenge, watching guys try to control spin on, on a lot of these greens was really fun. Uh, but it just, it always spits out a fun leaderboard, compelling shots down the stretch.

It's not one of those places, you know, Sally, you talked about it. I think it was the, gosh, was it Harbor Town, the COVID year, when it was just like, okay, nobody's going to make a bogey for like a day and a half. Just nobody is going to make a bogey. I hate when golf tournaments get like that. And, uh, this one kind of feels like the opposite. It's just, it's great, man. Killer be killed out there, do or die on a lot of different shots.

Well, how green it is always throws me off when they start talking about how firm it is. And I'm like, wait, that doesn't add up, but it is firm, at least not normally it is. Not this week. Uh, tough, you know, some tough luck with the weather this year. But I would say even if it's shoved a shark, the crowds help a ton. I don't feel that quite the same way about AmEx, which you could argue is similar golf, stadium course, that type of vibe. But I don't know, man, Scottsdale just they like to turn up.

And I think the weekend being with the Super Bowl, I think it's the perfect match. I mean, there must be some marketing agency head that's just gutted when Charlie Hoffman didn't win. When they matched up the perfect sponsor with the perfect venue, with the perfect town, with the winner. You know, the longest running probably logo on anyone's shirt in the game of golf and he just couldn't pull it out. But it just got, you know, the Scottsdale, the whole vibe almost feels a little bit like WWE. Like, is this really happening? Like our Charlie 47 year old Charlie Hoffman with a back brace really going to go. Oh, God, that's Charlie Hoffman's music.

Are you serious, man? I mean, the guy is such a unique character. Like I was I was loving every minute of it, but I was like, this can't be real. This feels like, you know, the undertaker coming out of the coffin a little bit. What, what are we doing here? It's kind of like when you're creating fraud of some kind, you know, like they say when, uh, when we, back in the auditing days, you would always search for journal entries with round numbers or 999 in them because, uh, you know, that's how you would do it with fraud.

It was kind of like, they got towards the end, like, guys, this is a little too suspicious if he would win this thing. I mean, hasn't one tournament six years is one other top 10 in this tournament is 47 years old. I mean, I mean, come on. This is a little too on the nose for this one. But Taylor came out and said, not on my watch. All right, we're not doing that.

Okay. There's no, no pre-made storylines here. Hit him with a big ass folding chair there at the end in the playoff. I think Neil, what's funny about that is there is something unique about this tournament because I'm just trying to think, you know, think about like the J.B. Holmes at Riviera years or, or, you know, really J.B. Holmes kind of anywhere, but there's a lot of other tournaments where if this exact thing happened, it would have been like Scotty, Sawthiff, you know, others

coming down the stretch and here comes Charlie Hoffman and just been like Scotty, Saw-Hiff, others coming down the stretch. And here comes Charlie Hoffman. It's just been like, oh, come on, man. That's not what we're doing. And this was, I was in. I was weirdly captivated. I think it is the environment and the venue and the tournament. Like you said, I feel like he's just, that just felt, that whole playoff just felt like

deeply, deeply Scottsdale to me. You got Charlie just awful fit, you know, flat billed hat. The whole, the whole situation like just kind of like really seems like he embraces kind of that like, you know, Southern California moved to, moved to Phoenix later in life vibe. And then you've got the snowbird Canadians. I mean, those are like the two things I picture. Yes. That's one A and one B in the Scottsville lineup. Exactly right. And watch them go toe to toe. It was thrilling, man. If you didn't happen to catch the golf, which you'd listened to, it did bleed a little bit into

the big game this evening. So I don't quite blame you. You missed out. I would say you definitely missed out if you did not have two-screen opportunity here but going into the back nine summing up a complicated and long week but Hoffman bogey the 12th hole and I believe the data golf guys tweeted that his win probability went down to 8% After he bogey the the 12th hole but eagle the 13th all birdied on 14 birdie on 15 Yeah, that was such a good golf shot and then he drove it So he busts out to this kind of big lead. He's got a three shot lead now playing the 17th, but three shot lead at this course,

as we've seen over the years is, is not, it's probably not enough because 15 is obviously a reachable par 516 is a wedge or a nine iron and you can stuff and make birdie and 17 you could make it, you can make it two, you can make it three pretty easily and 18 has turned into driver flip wedge somehow despite many iterations of that golf hole over the years. So drove it in that death bunker in 17 and just pausing for a second here to say this was a one of a bright spot for NBC and setting the whole scene for that golf shot, having Kevin Kisner there to be able to describe all the elements of that

shot. And it was made especially interesting because of the back pin used on this final day. And again, kind of one of those, I don't know how you could possibly argue that angles don't matter in golf because everything about that shot was down to the angle, down to where he left it on the green was like, can he even putt to this pin because of how jammed in the back of that green is?

But he hits it on the green, turns out the pot was a little easier than they made it sound. And he lagged it up there to a foot, uh, from, from long range, made the par. I would say fantastic putt though. It was a really good putt. Considering the moment and everything it looked until he hit the putt and how close it got, it looked like a very, very hard putt. So I'm going to give the broadcast a

pass there and nearly hit the, he hit the three big things. Pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, teach. Not much can go wrong with how often you three button when you got bad pace, you know Pace, pace, pace, teach. Not much can go wrong with pace. How often you three-putt when you got bad pace? You know, it just doesn't happen. God, that's well said. 47-year-old Charlie Hoffman then stepped up on 18 and bombed a 339-yard drive at 180 miles an hour,

flipped a lob wedge into the par four. Before he put the back brace on to a continuous warmup for the playoff. Left is Bertie putt short, but gets in at 21 under par. Nick Taylor is on his heels. He birdies the 15th hole stuffs it to five feet, eight inches on 16 and makes it. It's kind of a shaky drive and chip down to the right on the 17th hole and makes par that was kind of looked like the hole he needed to make Bertie to get into the playoff, drives it way right, bales on 18 T,

but it kicks out of the bunker and into the rough hits it nine and a half feet above the hole It's a putt that didn't look like it was going in but fell in the right side of the hole Yeah, I'm on it You can see balls like just how they they hit to the top of that slope and they just whip down that that hill like Being out there like that is it that's a scary putt straight down that hill it's not scary when you got a two-shot cushion on on third place though like he could have three putt in it or two putt it would have been the same you got it's not it's not a it's not a normal nine footer it's not like it's up the hill right to left correct it's a different part drains it then they go to a playoff they both pipe drives uh Taylor's got a 15 foot birdie putt up the hill. Hoffman stuffed it to seven feet.

Taylor, with one of the more aggressive walk ins I can ever recall seeing, especially in a big, especially in a playoff, solid foot out. He got especially for a Canadian. I know swagging out. Unfortunately, he's wearing those shoes four days in a row. Other than that, maybe one of the swaggiest walk ins I've ever seen. He got swear to the whole. He must have owned those shoes at some point. I thought you were, okay, I thought we were going to go more towards how much

my Fischinato for my affection for walk ins, but sure, I probably had, if they're bad shoes, I probably haven't been simple. They just, if they're straight out of the, I think they're Adidas like 2006. Yeah, I felt like that. They're like an Oda Pele. It's like 1970 soccer shoes. It's just bad. I remember when DJ was wearing those a bunch in like 2012 like 13, but he just he wears them every day I don't get it. They're they're not good

Sorry, we'll continue with the highlights, please we're're interrupting your fastest three minutes. Sick walk in for the birdie and Charlie Hoffman Eeks in his seven footer. They go back to do it again. Hoffman drives it in the church pews. Taylor once again gets a ball to bounce out of that right bunker on the right side of that fairway. Maybe you need to make that bunker deeper or something. This probably should not happen twice,

but hits at 11 and 1 half feet left of the pin. Hoffman hits a good shot onto the green, two putts it, and then Taylor drains a putt right in the center, pimps it, does the little putter slam throw. I mean, the dude has mastered the art of the celebration between his eagle putt at the Canadian Open last year, the walk in here and that flip. Birdie on 15, 16, 18, 18 and 18. His last six holes that he played, that's five birdies to win the championship by one. It was, er, it went into playoff and it was just spectacular. 18 and 18 his last six holes that he played that's five birdies to win the championship by one

It was urban it went in a playoff and it was just spectacular. I Want to just say full stop Gritty awesome impressive performance from Nick Taylor because he started the roundoff looking really really shaky for Definitely the first two holes probably the first like six or seven holes It just didn't look like that the whole last group looked way out of sync. You got Sigheth going all over the map. He, he couldn't really get it together. Um, and Nick Taylor just kind of found it when he made the turn and that,

what a finish man. That's awesome. He lost two strokes off the tee in round four and shot 600 par in one. I mean, that's, that's kind of, he was second in the field and putting on, on Sunday as you might imagine I would give him a shout out like on this here podcast for laying up on 15 He's getting second guest on the broadcast coming down the stretch But he he laid up to a perfect wedge number and he you know basically stuffed it's like four feet

He's like I got a better chance of hitting it close to my wedge And I do I don't know where this three woods gonna go go. And I mean, he just stayed patient, but it was like patient, but aggressive. I thought he played, he just played so solid on those last five holes regulation and then also in the playoff. I was really taken by, I don't know if you guys listened to his, uh, brief interview afterwards before switching to the big game, but he, uh, he got really specific on like the, I believe it was the last putt that he made. He's like, Oh, no, like I had that putt. I was in contention last year. I had the same putt.

I remembered the read and he was just talking about like how he played. He learned a ton from last year's round. They, they said it on the broadcast, but I mean, he was right there with Scotty last year as well. Uh, and he's like, man, same thing last year, like I started out really scraggly and I had to kind of grind through it. And this year I did the same thing. It was just, this isn't a coverage take, but it will maybe lead to some coverage stuff later. It's like, that's exactly the kind of stuff that's going to make golf fans a lot smarter if there's some avenue to bring that stuff to light, right? Like if there's a way to sit with him for 30 minutes, like sit with every winner after the week and get, you know, 30 minutes of them going kind of shop

by shop through their final round. Just talking about like, hey, this shot reminded me of this shot, this shot reminded me of this. I learned this here. This is what I was thinking on this putt. Like I think that would be just something I would absolutely watch on YouTube or wherever because I think there's a lot to be gleaned there.

It would help everything not feel so fleeting, right? Yeah, totally. Like, it's going to take me a second to remember who won this tournament, right? Because just, it's just week after week after week onslaught of all this stuff and everything just kind of, once it happens, it's kind of, yeah, okay, on to the next one. And now you're exactly right. Help kind of remember, you know, this stretch of golf is the best of the PGA tour, right? This stretch from January up to the Masters is probably that the highlight, probably highlighted by the coming, this coming week at the Genesis. And

anything you can do to kind of drill, like part of what makes TPC Scottsdale work, like we said in the beginning is like the memories we have of these holes over the years, the bounce from Saw-Hiff, the bounce from Ricky Fowler going over the green on the 17th hole, Brooks Kepke chipping in on the 17th hole, like all the, of course, all the shots into 16 and you know, the, uh, the, the collapses, the heroic shots, like it, it just is part of like, what has, what makes the PGA tour successful in, in one way? I mean, you could argue it's not successful in a lot of ways, but is the fact that they have these layers of history.

It's the thing that live is battling right now and does not have, does not have any context. There's no memories of any of these golf courses or, It's the thing that live is battling right now and does not have, does not have any context. There's no memories of any of these golf courses or, or, or shots that have been hitting these tournaments over the years. And that's the one thing that we're kind of can fall back on. And this just feels like kind of one of the, one of the five maybe highlights of that throughout the course of an entire year on the, on the PGA tour. So here, here, that being said, is it, did it, a lot of reports, uh, you know, that something happened Saturday and there was some, some, uh, some serious issues, is it did a lot of reports, you know, that something happened Saturday.

And there were some some some serious issues, I guess that happened Saturday. I guess when with the weather they had this week, the hills getting slippery and all these things, they decided to cut off entrance coming into the place on Saturday. And they cut off alcohol sales at one point. A lot of videos flooding through. We have Zach Johnson blowing up at a fan saying, don't sir me. We have Billy Horshill yelling at a Is all time, please

Sir me Yeah, I can't wait to use that on you guys I know you guys are gonna be using that other kids here. Oh, I think it's for me. Don't sir. That's not gonna work I I would say that I think that the crowd's always been the crowd. They probably, it sounds like they lost contain on the tickets. They were letting people in that didn't have the right ticket. It sounds like maybe there were some counterfeit tickets going on. I don't know if that, if it was counterfeit or what, but it sounds like,

you know, they just kind of, you know, the fire marsh was like, this place is, you know, there's too many people here. We got to, we're going to have to shut it down. Uh, but yeah, they lost contain a little bit, which like any house party, man, too many people show up like it's over, like, you know, it gets bad. That's just, that's just how it works. But I don't think I honestly don't think it's really changed. It changed 10 years ago when they started putting corporate suites up around, you know, the Coliseum, like it's, it's been like this. That's, That's kind of what this tournament is.

So I don't know. I kind of enjoy seeing the slip and slot, not the shirt off slip and slide guys, but just kind of the drunk people wiping out. Like, yeah, D, I got some fond memories of seeing that in person with you walking out of the waste management like six years ago. So I'm not gonna lie.

It's basically a guilty pleasure of mine. Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't have a lot of time for any hand ringing about like, what are, what are we doing here? You know, like what, what did you think was going to happen? Guys, like, have you seen how it gets, how this tournament gets marketed? Have you seen what it's been for the last decade? I have multiple, multiple friends who are like, oh my God, I cannot

wait to go to this tournament for this exact reason. And that's, that's what they go do. So like, I mean, it's a miracle to me that I said this on Slack earlier, like every year that this tournament goes by, it is a miracle that fans have not impeded play at all or nobody's yelled in a backswing at a crucial time or whatever and it seemingly seems like we got through Mostly unscathed I saw Billy Ho and and Zach Johnson kind of lose their cool Which you know if two players are gonna lose their cool. It's that would probably pretty high on my My bingo board I thought about a lot. So you remember being I think it was

was it number 15 at the Ryder Cup at Marcus Simone when, uh, Scotty made that putt and he's just getting heckled and heckled and heckled. And he just like very coolly rolls in that birdie putt and he's just like smiling and he looks over and waves at the fans. I was like, Oh no, that guy's going to like hold it together today. Like Zach Johnson, Billy Horschel, like, yeah, probably not. And let the players, like it's once basically once a year.

Like you might have to do some self policing guys. And I have no problem. Horschel, if you want to turn me like, hey, shut the fuck up. Like that's cool with me too. Sure. Of course. I'm all for Horschel talking back to the crowd. They should do that. But but to say like, how dare you guys?

It's like, that's kind of why they're here, man. Like we all kind of know that you can't wear your Florida Gators jersey on 16 And they get upset when a guy's yelling at you on like nine fairway But I feel like we've anyone we've ever asked about this tournament over the years has has led with like yeah You know what you're signing up for we know like which makes me think like all right maybe it's just kind of every year is 5% more 5% more 5% more and you know So-and-so Joe Schmo sports fan has never been to a golf tournament. It's like, Oh, I got to go to this. And you

know, that is used to go into football events and used to being able to yell things used to go into basketball games and being able to yell things that opposing players thinks he can do that before shots right before shots as guys are standing over it. And it just maybe has gone, you know, slowly but surely has gone a little bit too far, which the fact that players were reacting as strong as they were, I think Ben on had some tweets saying it just got out of hand a little bit this week. Just makes me, I've not heard that from players ever at this tournament, right? Which makes me think like something was maybe a little bit different about this year, but

also could be like some of the delays and the time that we're just spent people just drinking, you know, Saturday's a marathon like that's it was kind of gonna be a zombie apocalypse with the with the delays and stuff Yeah, I don't know. I'm just also at the risk of being in in my uh, my shooter macgavin ivory tower here I also think like, man, you're trying to make golf into like football money.

Like what do you think is gonna happen? Yeah. Right? Like what, we just, we gotta grow the tent, man. We gotta grow the tent. We gotta grow the tent. We're not gonna like take the time to like teach anybody about golf

or like make sure that they have access to the game or make sure that they actually enjoy playing. We just, we gotta get them in so that they can like, you know, pay us more money is kind of a little bit of a me reaping me sowing situation where I'm like, dude, I don't give I have no fucking sympathy for you guys, man. What do you what do you think the trade off was here? Like, yeah, I mean, my only real issue, Sally, is we just we need to make the the only rule there should be if you yell get in the hole, you're out.

That's it. Way too much get in the hole guy. Like, it's, again, the post shot shout stuff. It's like, just come up with something creative. And it would kind of be okay with me. It's just a lot of get in the hole guys at the Waste Management. Did I ever tell you guys about the year I was there? And I think it was the Ricky and Bubba or not Ricky Bubba, Ricky and Masayama playoff that, that happened. And it was a long playoff, like went way into the Super Bowl. And I was there like covering it for the tour. And for whatever reason, like during this playoff, which I think went like six

holes or something, Bubba just started walking with me, just like never talked to him, just had no relationship with him. He just started walking and talking for like an hour. And he was super polite, super nice, very interesting. He's given play by play. I think he's gonna try to do this. He was like super, super nice. But it was the year that he let slip

in the pre-tournament press conference that he was only there because his sponsors were based in Scottsdale and they really liked him playing the tournament I think it was Oakley or whatever it was and the fans just like booed him the first three days and just hated him and You know it was the one year that everybody was like way out on Bubba and if you remember There's like the so 16 everybody leaves 16 green and they go through the tunnel to 17 and those grandstands You guys have seen them are like they're really tall between 16 green and 17 T.

So guys at the top can like turn around. You get the high ground. And you basically like got the sun sue, you're just firing down on the people at the T box. And there's always like a lot of commotion when the guys go through and then they're all waiting on 17 T, right? Cause it's short par four.

So there's a little commotion, everybody's kind of yelling, yelling, yelling, but it can't sustain for like 10 minutes. So then it like gets quiet and Bubba and I are standing there and this guy just top of his lungs. Can't hear anything else. Hey, Bubba. He looks up and goes, fuck you. I was just like, man, this, this, if this crowd ever did turn, it would be a, it would be a really tough, tough seed, man. There's nowhere for these guys to go. Who is that guy? I want to shake his hand. It was just execution style. Hey, Bubba. Oh, hey.

Guys, I'm struggling to marry a thought I had this afternoon, which was, hey, is Scotty Sheffler ever going to lose a golf tournament ever again? And also, is he going to beat 47-year-old Charlie Hoffman today, which he did not do. Um, I am, I've somehow walking away from this tournament with even more appreciation for Scotty's game than I had, which I think I've probably mentioned on every single show and still in amazement that we are this far into this and just no sign of improvement at the putting at all. He was technically, he was almost dead, even flat average in strokes game on the green this week.

He was actually slightly negative around the green, but of course number one in approach play and number two off the tee. His prowess with irons is somehow underappreciated. I know I tweeted this, but remember like not that long ago, we were saying like, Oh, more cow is number one in iron play. Paul Casey is number two. The gap between more cow and Paul Casey is the same as Paul Casey and like number 60 in the strokes game approach list.

That's how good more cow was at iron play and like all anybody talked about. And Scotty has blown past more cow both currently and blown past whatever more cow was doing at the height of his peak and no one talks about it plus Scott he's longer like way longer like way longer than average and he's more accurate than average I don't know if we could spend 20 minutes talking about on every show I don't know if enough emphasis would be on like this is the best ball striker We've seen since Tiger Woods. I don't I don't know if there's any wiggle room to debate that at this point I was thinking about this. Sorry, and I think you know, I've had a lot of fun

At the data boys expense, but I want to I want to kneel down at the altar just for a second here I was watching you know, it's almost baseball season So I'm doing my my fall asleep watch to the Ken Burns baseball documentary and somebody was talking about like yada yada yada The reason we love baseball is so great between generations, you can really compare statistics. And you know that if this guy was a 300 hitter in 2000, that's the same as being a 300 hitter in this time. And I think his point was basically like, that's a stat that, that really takes like the pitchers of the era and the hitters of the era kind of like into account, right? Like you can truly see how good you are against the competition, which is the same as what Strokes gained does, right? And I think just because it's not a,

it's a stat that like shouldn't be hard to understand, but it just, like it just is. Like if we had, if we had a stat, but you know what I mean? I'd like, it's hard for someone to say like, oh, Scotty's at plus 2.4. Right. It's not calling that fucking crazy. someone to say like, oh, Scotty's at plus 2.4 straights game right now. It's not clean. It's not clean. It's fucking crazy. There's no context to it. If we had the baseball equivalent, you would be able to say every week,

like, yo, Scotty Schaeffler's hitting 4.05. It's crazy. He's hitting 400 right now. And we just don't have that. And so instead, it just becomes like, wow, I don't know. He hasn't won since what? Like the Masters? I don't know. But if you look at it, I know they haven't really updated it now, but if you look at like the all-time data golf stuff, I think where Scotty's probably

going to come in, like after this week is basically like equivalent to Phil's best stretch of his entire career, right? Like, you know, there's like the all-time, like, uh, Strokes Gaines, like who was the best at the all time, like, uh, strokes gained, like who was the best at their best type of thing. And it's not even his best stretch either. Like Scottie's best stretch. Like it's just, it's laughable, man. How, how fucking good it is. And it's just, again, I've reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago is like, just the putting is remains the most captivating thing, like in the sport. Just give me all of it, man. Like the worm cam today that they showed on, uh,

God, what was that like maybe 15 or something 15 when he missed the shorty on 15, it was low the whole way. It's just epic. But he had a good week. He lost 2.7 strokes on the greens in a three hole stretch like that. He was having a good cutting week and gave it all the way in a three hole stretch. Like he's a 12. That's what I was going to say.

You know, I'm not going to lie. I thought they kind of had us in the first half. Like on front nine, I was like, dude, he's rolling putts in. Like maybe, maybe he's slayed the demons. Shame on me. Cause back nine comes around and, and he started hitting it too close again. That was, that's the problem. He's great from like 10 to 15.

But I mean the, the other thing about Scotty for me is like the numbers prove it and the eye test He just thrashes the golf ball. It's amazing Like he's he's the most accurate guy out there off the tee this you know today And he's swinging out of his fucking shoes like his feet are going everywhere It's and it's like the strategy is like yeah Just line up on the left side of the fairway and swing as hard as I can. I don't understand the physics of it and how he continues to be so consistent, especially with driver. Cause his feet are a little less jumpy with the irons. Um, but another shot that stuck out to me early in the round, I think it was six, six or seven, the par three was like 228.

And nobody was going at that pin on the left. It's like that part of the green and he just takes dead aim at it with like a low riser and hits it like you know Just into the back rough. I think I don't know if you got a Stones to go for it there was like I mean I just the shot was like it was outrageous that he was even like lined up to hit that shot It was crazy how good the the iron stuff is and again I know he lost to him today, but like we got to 11 and was like, oh, Charlie Hoffman, you know, might be, might be doing some stuff today. And he's got that front left pin with the

water there. And Hoffman's got this approach shot coming in and I was like, Oh, dude, Hoffman should not mess with this pin at all. This should go to the center of the green. And then Scotty hit the fairway and I was like, Scotty should go after this pin because I don't, I've never seen him like pull one far offline. Sure enough, he gets after that pin and made birdie at a, like a hole that nobody else was getting after. And it is, I really, I know I've referenced this a couple of times, but if you're, if you're new to the show or haven't heard me reference this, I spent some time with him and speech last summer talking,

ball striking, talking golf swing. I was really, it really clicked and started to make a lot more sense when he talked about, when I asked him about, when you see that weird like follow through flip thing, like tell me, like, what is that? And he's like, oh, that's when I know, when I get to blah, blah, blah, point in it and I can feel the club being like, who knows, fractionally out of position. He's like, that's, that's my move to save it, to make sure it doesn't go too far, right?

Like when I feel it go here, I can, so the way he... He's like, everything I do, and I'm paraphrasing here, everything I do is to prepare myself for in competition to be able to make in-game and in swing adjustments like that. Like everything... He's not trying to reach perfect positions with this club. He's not trying to hone the perfect swing. It's all about getting an athletic and competitive mindset and approach to hitting golf shots. And like ever since he said that, watching him hit the ball looks very differently to me. Like it really does. And watching hearing Jordan

talk about all the things he's thinking about with his swing and like hearing Scotty, I'm like, Oh, give me Scotty's thoughts all the time because it just what so I find it really appealing. Like I'm, I'm like mesmerized when he watching him hit the golf. Well, I know he's not, he's like kind of boring, like as a whole, if you, you know, like from a whole package standpoint a little bit, but from a just ball striking, like it's for me mesmerizing. And it's a great, uh, today was a good Jax position between Nick Taylor, Charlie

Hoffman, like honestly, premier iron play from both of them today. Like Hoffman was just firing at everything, hitting it close and his move is like timeless. I mean, he's like Tommy Armand III, you know, junior, like short backswing, like everything's on plane. He gets his elbow inside and hearing, I think it was like on 11, a shout out to kids. Like he and, you know, Kurt and I think Faxson were like breaking down his swing and slow mo. And it was just awesome to hear kids' thoughts on it. It's like simple move. That's why he's been out here for, you know, 19 years. Like not much can go wrong there.

And, you know, he changes grip a little bit with his coach, whatever, whatever. And then you basically take that. You're like, that's probably how you're going to hit the ball consistently. And then take what Solly just said. And it's like, that's even more fascinating to me of like, yeah, you're just, wait, you're just saving stuff, and you're still doing this. This is incredible. How Hoffman's swing today was reminded me of when we did that week in the life, Solly with Madeline Sagsstrom, down at

Lake Nona. There's that moment where she was mic'd up with her on the range with her caddy Shane and they're just kind of going back and forth She's like okay, so like if I rotate my body like it can't go left It's okay It cannot go left if you just rotate your body It cannot go left and that is like what I was seeing every time Hoffman was swinging the club like left miss was was out of play All right, we got some more stuff to talk about from the from the waste management here, but we we tease this at the front that we're going to be sharing our foot joy moments of joy. Again, little little break from pro golf road for mine. I know for this week, maybe in the

future we might be doing some some pro golf related stuff. But guys, it is getting harder and harder to jam in golf with with, you, in between, in times that we have child care, in times, you know, we have window, winter windows are not long, there's not long evenings, listen, there's bedtime routines, there's a whole lot of stuff, it's really difficult to do. We had an 11 o'clock meeting on schedule for Friday, hadn't played around golf in 13 days, and we had an 11 o'clock meeting, and the only tee time available at the club was 11.42, and the meeting was scheduled to end at 1145 and I booked it anyways and I took the call right next to the first tee

it was with our friends at Tidalos and Footshaw of course and the call ended at 1141 and I had an afternoon round of golf in February at 70 degrees and it was a true moment of joy it was fantastic I really really appreciated it I appreciate a lot more because it's just harder and harder to jam in right now. That's my moment of joy from this week Did you know you know that I'm running the tight ship? You know that I got a tight agenda You know, I'm trying to give you back three four five six minutes of your day in a meeting Scheduled for it was five minutes. We're going we're going 39 41 minutes and and everybody have a great weekend Or your money or your money back. That's right So I'm fishing in the same ponds my man a different climate, you know, it was February 9th

They said it couldn't be done. They said you can't play golf in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on February 9th. They can't be done And me and you know the fellas were we were scoping it out for days in advance, looking at the extended forecast. I don't know, it's supposed to hit like 48. It's a little sun. I think it's going to dry out. We're making calls, calling greenskeepers. Can we get out? We're not going to tell anybody. What do you think? And I got you just don't like mess anything up. We'll put some temporary cups in front of the Greens. So got out, played nine holes with a couple of dear friends out here and just absolutely soaked it up, man. It was awesome. We had such a fun time. Did you do snow angels? Basically, I did have a fried egg in a snow bank in one of the bunkers, which was tough, but we, you know, we made it ourselves and made it work. Played a little, a little best ball with our guy Drew Pond, who also had some like outrageous, outrageous eBay foot joy shoes on from,

like it had to be from like 1983, just to, just to bring a full circle on the Ad-Read here. So very, very joyful experience. It's not an Ad-Read. That's the beauty of the segment, Deige. You guys, you guys thought I was going to do, which we're going to talk about a little later in the show, the John Minium year and review. Oh, shit. Audible. Oh, well, I'm going to audible it. My moment of joy, I think for the last three or four months is we took a trip out to, uh, titleist, the TPI performance center out in Southern California. And we saw Charlie Hoffman at TPI

We you know gave a nod we would talk to him But he you know when we came out we're all leaving and he's sitting his truck Rivian driving the electric truck look at you know Fresh fresh ride. Oh We get in our minivan because that's what we do we ran a minivan and Randy's driving and Hoffman pulls out first pulls out in the parking lot and we a couple left turns we come to a big stoplight and right now. Up next to him down the road.

Yeah. Yeah. Like it was a good five minutes out, but it was like we pulled up right next to him at the light and I was like, oh, oh shit. There's there's Charlie. And we, you know, DJ's like, oh, dude, Randy, you got to burn him off the line, burn him off the line. I don't think this that that Rivian, I don't think it can move.

And the light has solid 15, 20 seconds to sit in there, kind of staring straight ahead. And we're like, he's not really paying attention. Like we're going to get him. That light goes green. Holy. Horses just, I mean, I've never seen anything like it. The guy went from zero to 60 faster than anyone on a, on a, like a street, a legal street I've ever seen. He's got speed, man. He just came from TPI.

He completely dusted us in the minivan. And we were clowning Randy all the way, all the way home. It was fantastic. And then he, then we saw him pull in, he like slows down and pulls into a sandwich shop and just, just go to lunch. So he just completely clown the boys. So that was a definitely a moment of joy for me Shout out to our friends at foot joy Guys saw if if Really do feel like if he'd got the good side of the draw this could have been a very different week for him He was on the bat the bad side of the draw had about a three-shot disadvantage This is all I

He's hitting it all over the place. I he was he was way better driving the ball this week. I'm going to just stop you there. He's hitting it all over the place. I mean, he was way better driving the ball this week than he usually is. Did you watch today? It feels like it feels like the eye test. He got the bad side of the draw. I'm saying today it was like 70 degrees and the whole week. I'm saying for the whole week. He had the worst of the weather and the routine.

Like this was an exhaust more exhausting week than usual for saw. Sure. Easy guy for me to root for, but from what I watched today, I felt like every golf shot was just from a tough spot. I was like, ooh, a lot of me just going, oh man, come on. I had that one team like balloon wedge that came up short of the green for like a hundred yards. It was just, it hits very, very, very bad shots. No one loves saw hit more than me.

You know, I think, I think you'd know that no one's rooting for him harder to get it done consistently, but like dog there there were some I don't think the draw had much from basically like one of the frat parties left of the green was just fucking unbelievable. Probably shot of the day. Uh, but yeah, you got to kind of stop putting yourself in those spots. Well, I'm saying he finished at 17 under you put them on the good side of the draw and even that out. That's at 20. And, uh, you know, if you're in contention, maybe you battle through a little bit. I'm saying come on whiffs, whiffs of big tone syndrome there. If you could just have an eight shot lead going into the final round. No, everyone else was on the better side.

Look, I, without double checking all this, almost everyone at the top of the leaderboard was on the good side of the draw. Like there was, it's rare in a tour of it, you get this much of a, of a draw difference. So I just wanted to, I want to throw that thought out there for our guy because I was emotionally invested.

I got pretty de-invested pretty quickly because it was clear he did not have it on this Sunday, but I Just for him push back here. You're you keep talking about the draw 65 64 to open up like I don't know that the draw That's really really good. It was really good. Yeah, I know the problem was Sunday. He just he was kind of in he's in contention 69 today is just that that that ain't it. It's not good And he didn't have a ton of magic around the greens like he just he asked way too much out of his short game today He's just not there's no rhythm today. That's the best word. I could have for it

There's no rhythm to his his round at all today And he's not probably not helping me with the eye test with his reactions are outrageous after shots It's just a you know a lot of disgust which which is, which I, you know, enjoy watching, but it's probably not helping his, uh, his mentals. He takes you on an emotional journey. That's what we all love about him. Um, and I, he's the, he's the one guy that I feel like heartache for. He's one of the few guys I should say that I feel like heartache for when it

doesn't go his way. Cause I really wanted to win a big tournament. I still feel like he's owed one after, uh, after what happened a couple years. You got a nice bounce on 11 today, which I thought was going to be the one to kind of, you know, bounce him in the right, uh, lead him in the right direction. Just didn't happen for him today. So he missed a green from 94 yards, 15. I just, I don't think that's, I just, I don't think that's going to get it done. Yeah. What are we, uh, what do we think of Jordan's Speeth's output this week 14 under par a t6 finish finish seven shots back

Are we are we buying the speed? What whatever's going on with speed right now? I think we're always by it's like an employee buyback program We're always we're always by it mark places always open, right? Yeah. Direct deposits on, right? Don't try to time the market. I think it's just a lot of true investing advice here on the NLU pod. I don't know. It's, yeah, you're like, oh, God, the Lynx master here he comes and then he misses a three or four footer. You know, he just knows how to suck the momentum out of a round. So we could clean some of that stuff up. I feel like he's, he's definitely, he's doing stuff, which some of that stuff up, I feel like he's definitely,

he's doing stuff, which is good. I mean, I feel like largely, largely positive, right? I know he didn't hit his irons great this week. But pretty solid greens across the board, like, you know, kind of like positive in most categories. It seems like the sustainability models, I think, like it to your point or to your question. I don't know. What do you think, Solly? You buying? Solly K. I'm wondering aloud, if we all, maybe after, you know, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and now 2024, that maybe we should have come to this conclusion earlier, but I'm wondering allowed how much of an outlier 2015 and 2017 were, right? I mean, if you just go look at his production and his stats and what kind of

a player he is, there's two years that stick out, plus 2.6 and 15, plus 2.45 and 17 has not cleared two since then, right? And the highest he's done since then is 1.62 an entire season. So he's not gotten within a shot of either almost a full shot within either of the numbers in those two years. And for this I just don't see where he's gonna like I feel like I've held out hope for so long that he's gonna become that guy again and just go absolutely apeshit and it just doesn't seem to ever want to last 72 holes.

Like it just it doesn't want to last four holes. Like you can make three birdies in a row and then throw it back with a double. It just doesn't seem like there's never a moment when I feel like Speets got all this. He's got it all under control and here he goes. And well, it's most of the time, it doesn't even last a hole. 15 today was perfect example. It blows the drive, has to lay up and then he just hits an unbelievable wedge.

Right. And you're like, all right. Well, I guess that, yeah, he made birdie, but it just doesn't, it doesn't look great. Here, here and him call that whole thing like a game of horse was just great as well. Like, yeah, I'm going to land at this number. It's going to spin back. We're going to have here. We're going to be putting up the hill, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah. Growlers. Yeah. No, exactly. For sure. Do it, bro. All the towel out. All right.

You ready? Okay. Let's go. Since, since the, you won the open in July of 17, which is six and a half years ago now, how many how many times is speed one? Since you won the open three, two, I want to say three. Two times the Valero text is open in the heritage.

Yeah. Uh, yeah, listen, it's not so well, I think I think your question is Was maybe not specific enough right like if you if you're asking like What do you think of what we saw from speed this he on his way to 2015 again? I'd be like, oh, no I don't think that's what's going on right but like do I think he could win a golf tournament? Yeah, of course Right, but I don't think he's like gonna be Scotty all of a sudden I I Mean that's bleak to like no, I think that answers the question I like if that's the expectation for him now or if that's like do I think you can win a tournament

I kind of answers the question right if I like what our expectations are for speed I think you know yeah, but that tournament might be the master very well good Right, so that's the thing. It's like it's where it's oh, that's the best, best fit there is. So it's like, yeah, is he trending towards, you know, the first week of April? Like I would say yes. That's, that's true. Bubba, if I got a swing, I got a shot, you know, just give me just a chair. That's it, man. Just give me some hope coming into, coming into four weeks a year. That's all we really are talking about. You know, I would say, you know, the beluga would like to say that I think JT is, is trending. He seems to be continuing to show up on the first or second page leaderboard not a great day today, but

But I think my call up hell was right We're not we're not ready for you yet JT, but we will keep you posted There's a lot of dudes that are hitting the crap out of the ball I put you know, obviously JT and Scottie not in the same category there, but dudes that I'm like, dude I Some stuff's got a really fall right for you to win with how you guys putt, right? I you do not seem to have these huge swing like weird wild out-of-body weeks where you make everything you look at almost ever And I don't know where your wins are going to come from

Again, Scott, if there's one player that I feel like there that could happen I feel like spieth is He could have an out-of- experience, like, especially because it's still just the short ones that are, that are messing them up. Like it's not really a putting issue. And it's just like he could get hot. It seems like it might be an issue. Oh, it's a mental issue.

Yeah. As kids says, just step up and hit the putt, you know, like it's just stopped taking so long, Jordan. It is. It's a jarring difference between watching some of these guys and watching like nick taylor today Yeah, where it's just like oh man. He's hitting every putt like on his exact line It's just it's fun to watch dudes that are that locked in where their their putts just kind of like hug the line and go right in the middle

For sure You know you put a Note in here as to where you wanted to take us next on the beginning of the p2 source season I wanted to run something by on the beginning of the PG Sports season. I wanted to run something by you guys. I was thinking about it today watching. I felt like last year was a dream start for the PGA Tour. It was, Rom comes out swinging on Hawaii, Max and Scotty like winning epic fashion on the West Coast. Rom balls out of Genesis, you

know, showdown with Max. And then Scotty dominates the player. So it was just like this build towards Augusta and these like basically heavyweight matchups. And I feel like this year has kind of been the complete opposite. And I really, you know, some of its bad luck with weather. The first signature event gets rained out and 54 holes, kind of tough this week with weather and, you know, things leaking into the Super Bowl. Honestly, I think the ROM news to start the year off and just all the distractions off the course, like us watching guys take, you know, phone calls about business on the driving range of Pebble, like stuff like that.

It's just like, man, it feels like there's just a lot of distraction. And I would say, like, feeling, I feel the whole of ROM, you know, it's like, I'm bummed. And it's just, it sucksmed and it's just it sucks that like he's another guy that kind of thrashes the golf ball and you know, we joke around and call him the buoy, but like he and Scotty are kind of the, you know, they're the pace setters and only having one of them out there is totally you can feel that whole and then what happens is and I mean no shade towards any of these guys, but Chris Kirk, Matthew Pavan, Grayson Murray, Nick Dunlap, Wyndham Clark, and Nick Taylor. Like all like for a diehard golf fan, I find pretty much all of those guys.

I'm like, there's some interesting storylines there. First amateur to win since Phil, kind of no-name guys, like Nick Taylor, like, man, he's a player. Like there is, like I was locked in today. Charlie Hoffman like just but like for for the game of golf itself like I guess the question I have for you is is parody a good thing or not is this depth of mules good? You know what I mean? It's like I'm struggling with that because it's like, yeah, depth is good. But man, it's tough when you got no brand names up there. This whole stretch feels solid. I think you're going to kick out of this, but it feels like the PJ Tour saying like,

I'll call with a lot of the blowback they get about, you know, we're cutting playing opportunities and we're cutting, we're taking the cut away and we're doing this and all this like uproar of a lot of people saying, no, you know what? That's bullshit. This is why I watch pro golf for great stories like this. It's like, Hey man, there's like six or seven of them in a row. Like, what do you think? You like this or would you rather see, you know, true Mark McGuire, you want to see me

hitting some fucking dingers. And I think it's- That's exactly what I'm getting at, dude. It's like, man, I'm struggling to, you know, like get excited about, you know, Matthew Pavant's strokes gained right now. You know what I'm saying? Like- But it's truly like, as with a lot of the shit,

like it's choose your own adventure right now on the, on, in like the world of golf, like if this is the stuff that you, if this truly is the reason like you, you love watching pro golf legitimately every week has been like a really good story. Chris Kirk, really good story. If you want to dig into it, grace and Murray complicated, really good story. Nick, a good story. America loves a comeback. Totally. And it's been a good drama too along the way, getting Matthew Matthew Pavon is a great example of the partnership with the DP World Tour

and getting those guys a pathway to the PJ Tour and, you know, using exemptions correctly and all that stuff. Wyndham Clark, US Open Champion, I know, just kind of like a rain soaked bummer. And then the Nick Taylor stuff was a pretty epic finish today. So like, yeah, I don't, I think it's kind of one of those things that's like, man, if that's what you're looking for, like it's there, there you go. This is what you said and you're liking,

but I think this is not the path forward for the next like 50 years of PJ Tour entertainment golf, right? I don't think this is what PJ Tour enterprises is, is trying to build their business around. So what do you think? Yeah, it has, I guess, how do do you say you can't play God, right? I mean, you can, you kind of can a little bit with limiting like the idea behind limiting the fields is, you know, someone Nick Taylor, a bad example, but you know, Matthew Pavon isn't there to quote and I'm using air quotes

here, like spoil the fun. If you get a Scotty verse like saw, hith and, and and Spieth showdown down the stretch right the idea being kind of almost have to have a good winner here honestly part of what live gets right if they had a full field of top talent like you almost can't have a bad winner in there of course they don't have a full field of top talent it's a very mixed field and you end up with kind of Peter Uline versus Dustin Johnson at the end of it sometimes right so it you part of what I like about golf and what a lot of people I think on this show like about professional golf is the competitive aspect of it, right? It's been no question as to where the top golf in the world

has been played anywhere since we've ever done this, right? It's on the PGA tour and that that part is, you know, what keeps you intrigued and keeps keeps us watching right now. Is it going to bring in that is that Nick Taylor going to help bring in the masses that are required to, you know, make the PGA tour successful in the long run? Potentially. That will be the common sense answer, but common sense has kind of gone out the window for me in determining how, how all this stuff is going to play out. Um, and so yeah, it, look, it's not, it's less than ideal from the, that standpoint,

but that doesn't mean that there's not been some decent entertainment about. And a lot of things what I like about golf at the highest level to this point. Now, is it more fun when it's ramen, Max, though, and haymakers at the Genesis? Of course, like it, it has not been like peak peak golf, but it's also like not bleak like 2014. Yeah, that's what I was kind of tossing around or struggling with myself. I mean, I'm enjoying this, but I'm also like, man, if I like trying to explain to my, you know, my buddies at the Super Bowl party, like, no, no, no, this guy, Nick Taylor, man, you got to understand, like he made this long putt at the Canadian Open. Like I have a lot more context where it's like they'd

probably turn on and be like, that guy's wearing a back brace, you know, who's this guy with the Pele soccer shoes on, you know, it's just like kind of a tough look for a total. Oh, to Sambas. For a PGA tour. I'm like, yeah, this isn't, you know, the hashtag, these guys are good. Well, they are, but it's not looking like it. It's that whole thing we've talked about a lot is just the personalities that have been lost, right?

I mean, Bryson's whole thing was really interesting to watch in the playing field of like serious competitive golf. Like it's not nearly as like, oh, is the Bryson thing going to work when, you know, you got meek mill blasting in the background and there's like six people watching it, you know, a certain, like it just doesn't, like no one cares. Like how that actually about that competitive product, right? So you miss Brooks, you miss Dustin Johnson, you miss so many of these dudes that not necessarily would have played, you know, Waste Management. DJ wasn't a Waste Management guy,

but like Brooks was a force in this event for, he won it multiple times. Like he was missed this weekend, of course. Like it's all, and it goes back to everything almost that we've said when these signings happen and guys leave is like, it's not as much of a win for live as it is a loss for the PGA Tour. And because nobody watches live, like nobody watched Rom in weekend one, you know, and I

had ratings aren't in yet for Vegas, but the ratings aren't going to be good. I can, I will bet a lot on that. And it's all, you know, just such a bummer that we like don't see Rom and Scotty playing together this weekend. So yeah, I guess the point of me bringing that up is almost like, I guess I didn't feel it as much last year. And, and, and I think some of that was just luck. June 6th, change things too though.

I think, yeah, that's probably true too. It's like, it, it maybe it felt a little more cohesive for the guys that stuck around before June 6th of like, you know, we're here, we're going to build, like there's still kind of some, some hope and change in the air. Was the new model, the designated event model was there was people were excited about that last year and it delivered a ton of these moments and now it's just like the ROM size hole is enormous, right? And it's just really is. Yeah. So it's a, you know, I, I bummed it out the right word, but it's just different. It's like, damn, I'm feeling something a little

bit. But does it help that Legion 13 won last week for you in terms of, you know, you're going off those not this week, but the week before they won. Oh, I see. Does that help you a lot, Neil? I kind of get through those these list of winners that has been. No, I'm getting upset about the music and people making a good background. Definitely helps me out, though. That's that's what I'm here for is the butcher getting upset.

I mean, I think the only thing worth adding there is the ROM size hole only gets bigger this week at RIV too. God, yeah, man. It's like past champions and and Neiman. It's like he's not there. It's like that sucks. It really does. It just, yeah, it's a bummer. Um, quick hamster dam, um, NBC, I decent week, I'd say. I mean, commercial load is what it is, but they tried a couple of new things. They put Smiley and Kisner down there on the 16th hole.

You know, probably got a little too honed in on the 16th hole and lost track of the golf tournament that was happening last night, but I applaud them for trying something new. Listen, all the things that I'll applaud them for, they've just copied directly off CBS, adding drones and adding walk and talks and adding two people on the 16th tee. They're not leaders in innovation, but at least they're

copying off their, their competition and bringing a little bit to that. And kids has been a great addition, great vibe, great demeanor in there. He's not trying too hard to be funny. He's just being himself, giving good golf insight, giving good little quips on each person. He's been really, really additive to have that for their telecast. giving good little quips on each person. He's been really, really additive to have that for their telecast. That's all I got. I think his kid has been fantastic. Like, I had decently high expectations just because I think he's a great personality and he seems like he kind of loosens everybody else up, but he's far and away exceeded my expectations just from like making me kind of the moments on the couch. We were like,

huh, I didn't think about it that way. That's, that's interesting. Like the best example I thought was Charlie Hoffman blown in that right bunker on 17. And, you know, great conversation between him and faxed on what, a, what kind of bunker shot are you trying to hit here? Are you trying to pick it clean and spin it back there to that back pin, or are you trying to splash one out and chop it to the front? And what are the pros and cons? And kids are kind of saying what I thought was a very good point. Like you got to pick it, try to take on that

pin because if you go over the green and you roll it into that backwater, it is almost an auto up and down from behind that green and you're going to make five at worst. So like keep your foot on the gas, keep going. I was like, Oh shit, I didn't, I didn't think about it that way. That's awesome. And it gives so much more context to Hoffman chooses to splash it out instead and leaves himself with this really diabolical kind of looking lag putt. And it was just a great, great, great moment. I thought the thing with him and smiley on 16 was like a massive step forward.

I will not disagree with what you said. They definitely lost the plot on what's going on with the actual golf tournament. And it kind of just turned into the 16 show, but I had kind of a Twitter thread about, about how much I liked it. And I think my big takeaway is like, dude, you got to be doing that stuff on Thursday and Friday. Like that's the reason to give me, like that, that's how you give me a reason to watch on Thursday and Friday.

And I think you slowly hone in more and more on the actual X's and O's of the golf tournament as you get closer to the end. Because Sunday is like, there's almost, as you know, biased opinion, there's like nothing better than the back nine of a PJ Tour event on Sunday. I love it. It's undefeated.

If you got a close tournament, like I'm there watching every single week. It's great. There is nothing more boring in the whole entire world to me than Thursday and Friday. I literally can't watch it. I forget most days that it is Thursday until like 4 PM.

And then I'm like, oh, shit, the golf tournament's on, I guess. I should see what's going on. But it just seems to me like you could pick a hole like that. Like I loved that the two person, allowing them to kind of get some like rat-a-tat going and playing off of each other and having inside jokes that carry on for a while. Like it's what we say all the time. Like it felt more like a podcast than it did, you know, a golf broadcast.

And there's there's at least one interesting hole every week. Like put them at the 10th hole at Riv next week on Thursday and Friday and just get them to, you know, get them to go off and kind of do their, their shtick or better yet, bring in other people like each, you know, Can I challenge like you real quick? Please. They have featured whole stuff like on ESPN plus, right? You could that's an option.

Yeah, it sucks though, because it's not like, it's not current players. It's not no offense to anybody, but like all those guys who are doing that are doing so much of the like I am doing an impression of a golf announcer and Taylor Swift. She was at the chiefs game. Did you see that? Anyways, there comes Taylor Nick Taylor. Yeah, it's like these guys are they're giving like real insights. They clearly have like good rapport They just have like a good sense of humor in their fun day, hang out with. And again, I'm not trying to like throw shade, but man, if you had a cast of former players, current players, media people, architects, like whoever, like bring it.

Like I think a lot of the reason Kisner's so good, you could hear it on coming down the stretch today is because it's new. It's like the Romo thing in his first couple of like when it's it's a new energy in the booth You can tell the person's like actually excited You can tell the opposite of that is when you're faking it shout out to the entire live broadcast team Or when you're like going through the motions and you know, you've you've done 400 events in a row Which is like nobody's fault but bringing some new blood and some new voices and just like don't manufacture the energy, just like have some actual people who are pumped to be there.

It's it's hard. It's kind of how I feel about like every drop after the Patrick Reed drop at Farmers was treated like, oh, like it was such a huge story that Patrick Reed's drop that he took at farmers in 2021 that every drop after that was like, oh, we got to get both multiple cameras on there and rules expert in here because this is going to be the good shit. You don't want to miss this now. It's kind of like with the ace that happened not live

with Sam Ryder with, you know, Amanda and Colt down there. It's almost like now they're fearing if an ace happens now and we're not live, we've totally missed the plot and it just kind of seems like, man, I don't know if we- What a tough spot to be, rooting for a one in 100,000. You know, it's like, you could feel it late Saturday of like, please, please, please, somebody hit one close, you know? And I would say, DJ, I would agree with everything you said.

However, I didn't think those two were really that good. So it's almost like, that's the bar you have to clear, which is the funny part. I mean, I think the advice I would give to the production crew, and I know I don't know what a hard camera is, et cetera, et cetera, is don't be scared to run the talent through. That's the thing I agree with the most, is like, yeah, man, throw somebody on for a three

tournament contract, the new energy and, and I don't know, especially if you're doing something like that where they have one hole to focus on and they can get in a rhythm. It makes a big difference instead of having to bounce around and call different shots and someone's in your ear. It's like, no, man, you have one job, you're going to sit here, we're going to run some people through, you're going to talk to them, you have one job today is just like, talk about what you're seeing on this awesome golf hole at this PGA Tour event. And I think you can do that just for what it's worth, we can move on, but I think it's do the same thing with featured groups, you send two people with one group the whole day, and you keep coming back to that group. I think that would be electric. And then you can cut away if somebody else is doing something on the golf course, but like, man, Thursday, Friday, the the the stakes are not that high. Totally. Please, for the love of Christ, please just like try something, guys. Where do you guys want to go next? You want to do? I have I have one thing I'd like to bring up. I am getting I was very disappointed in the preferred lies today. And I know that's, you know, I just, I feel like we're,

we're, I don't like seeing these guys mark their ball, you know, like on the fringe of the green and then move it like a club length away from to get a better angle. And I'm fine with it when the weather's bad, but today just felt like a bridge too far for me. And I also want to bring it up because everybody's getting hot and bothered about these low scores. Windham at Pebble, preferred lies. Nick Taylor on Thursday, preferred lies. I don't know what happened on the corn fairy tour.

I don't know if those were preferred lies. Would like to look into it. But I tried to look it up on Data Golf and there's any way to understand what the stroke difference is between preferred lies versus not preferred lies. You know, I feel like it's doing my guy, Furek, a disservice and some of the guys have shot 59. Like I want to know which ones of those were preferred lies now. I need to go back in history and I tried to look it up. I was like, Furek 58. All right, it was travelers. Maybe it was wet out there. Couldn't find anything in the old, you know ESPN archives about preferred lies, but it's a massive factor like I think the way these guys spin it and when they're able to clean Their ball and like set it up almost like they're like aim pointing it, you know, they're like putting their ball down in a certain way

I'm like fuck man Like it's a massive advantage and I know the whole field's doing it I get that but it just kind of don't come at me with all these historic course records when it's a little bit like, yeah, man, but they're playing lift clean in place. Like that's that's a factor here. So anyway, rant over. Yeah, it's it's tough because it's also just not fun to watch mud ball cinch. Right. And I don't I don't know. It didn't look like it's like, it leads to not like it's potential for content. Yeah, but just watching players be whiny after my ball. It's not that fun.

No, I get a little bit more of that. It gets old quick. Now, the question is, was today muddy enough to do that? I'm sure. Absolutely not. I'm sure something to do with starting round three Saturday, going into and not repairing. They didn't want to change it in between rounds in case I'm sure something to do with starting round three Saturday, going into and not repairing. They didn't want to change it in between rounds in case I'm sure that something to do with it. Sure that had something to do with it.

Do they go to it way too often? It is just again, almost every problem with the Tory can go back to this like, yeah, when you try to jam this, many people into a golf course from sunup to sundown, you're going to run into some of these exact problems, right? Because, you know, if it's maybe the possibility that's going to rain in the afternoon means you may have to go preferred lives for the morning wave as well, even if you got perfect weather, like it's just a, you know, it, there's a lot of that goes into that, which I definitely agree that it should not be a club. I just don't, I personally, one of my favorite things about watching pro golfers, and maybe this is because I Watching a lot of golf is I like when they have to deal with variables. I love watching them play in the wind

I like watching them when they have to play uneven lies like things at Augusta and Kapalua like those those types of courses and I think having texture and mud on your golf ball Could be like another thing Like when it rolls into a divot, it's like, oh, hell yeah, I can't wait to watch how he plays this shot. Like those are the things that I think for me, make pro golfers like me that much more impressed with how they play. And so when they take those things away, it frustrates me sometimes. I think like most things with this podcast, it's kind of the paradox of, yeah, there's probably a good rule, but it's a fucking disgrace. Yeah. And I know you want more

birdies. Like we just said, oh, it was great. Yeah. You know, five, four birdies in his last five holes probably doesn't happen. He's not planning preferred lives. I don't know. That's kind of why I wanted was wondering if any listener out there has any stats or knows anything about like what the, you know, is there a stroke difference and average stroke difference? I don't know if that's even measurable. Well, the problem with that. Did the US Open go like a hundred years without doing preferred lies? Like I think it can be, it can be done. It can be, right.

But the Torpe-Roser pamper, and I would say also, Neil, the, you know, there's a, another factor in why the scores go low when there are preferred lies, which is like preferred lies means it's probably soft and scoring is going to be low anyways, right? So there's kind of a double correlation that would, that would go with that as well. But it should not be a full club length. You should not be able to get like a better angle around the greens when you are on the fringe. Like that's the part that's like, dude, you should, you should have to put it back as

close to the original spot as possible. Like you do when you mark it on the green. Like that is, yeah, maybe that's it. that's like dude, you should you should have to put it back as close to the original spot as possible Like you do when you mark it on the green like that is Yeah, maybe that's it. It's like TIO just we just got to update some of these things like I understand the point of the rule I just don't like seeing it. It kind of just pisses me off Where do you guys want to go next you want to do live Vegas? You want to do some of this new equity SSG stuff that's come up with where do you guys want to go next? Vegas all right equity SSG stuff that's come up. Where do you guys want to go next? Let's go to Vegas. All right.

Dustin Johnson won Live Vegas by one shot over Peter Uline. This crazy style of golf that I've never seen before. I don't know, stop me, Neil. I don't know if this was on your radar at all, but on the 18th hole, Dustin Johnson drove it way right and was almost underneath a tree and some thick rough It was on your radar at all. But on the 18th hole, Dustin Johnson drove it way right and got, you know, was under almost underneath the tree and some thick rough and immediately got about 10 to 15 feet of free relief to the left towards the fairway

because of a scoreboard up by the green of TIO relief. Did that I just never seen anything like that before. And it was making the rounds on crazy X echo chamber. Just just many, many people with tears in their eyes, just tagging me in. You would not believe the TIO, the disgraceful TIO relief happening in Vegas right now. How far right was it? Let's say he was like 15 feet off the fairway, 20 feet off the fairway.

Like multiple people were getting relief from that same spot. It was one of those like, you see that in a practical like, oh, just blow it away. Right. We'll get totally free relief back to where we want here. Yeah. Which I all I've I got word that all the fans that were surrounding that pool around the 18th green, all of them, all the fans that were really into the golf could not believe that

TIO relief. They were disgusted by it. They were so upset by the fact that he had to take that drop. They just they think they think the entire winch and have an asterisk on it. that drop. They just, they think, they think the entire winch would have an asterisk on it. Uh, let me say this about live. I come to you slightly hat in hand to say I was legitimately a tin, I had a tinge of excitement about watching on Saturday. I was like, man, DJ, Ram Bryson in the final group is like, I don't know, say what you will. It's compelling. I got nothing going on

I'm gonna turn this on and I'm looking forward to got aggregate this people are too watching it having said that It's sucked man. It's not fun to watch. It's not the golf was abhorrent. I can't believe that's a real golf course Telecast sucks ass like it's just it's just not fun, man. I like, I get- I don't think you got Dom Boulet like that. Come on, I know you love Dom. It's bad, it's bad, it's bad. And this is me giving, like, I swear to God,

I gave it such an earnest chance to be like, you know what, I love watching all three of these guys. I can't wait to watch these guys play golf. They're playing this weird like suffocating golf course where you can't actually like You know, they can't hit any shots. Anyways, the whole thing is just it's just really weird You got the weird music being piped in like you can hear that flowing from everywhere, which is just deeply uncool vibe Just the whole the whole thing was was not good. They're pumping the Sharks career achievements on a lower third during like the 18th hole of the golf tournament.

They got Greg Norman was the captain of the 2011 presidents cup team and 2009 As these guys are coming down like the final hole of the tournament the shotgun starts sucks as well Like it's just that's the thing I struggle with the most just cause that was going to be cool. And I don't know what, where, who is, has how many holes left in rounds one and two slow. I don't know what the deal is. It could be totally fine. It is the one thing that's really good. You said it's already earlier, DJ about PJ tour golf is like how these things finish that the, I watched a fair amount of it Saturday as well. First of all, I will say should

have more of their events in on Saturday. Like if you want to differentiate your product and not the same time in the PJ Tour, that is a very stupid thing to have your product go up against the PJ Tour Sunday. You're going to lose that battle every time. I will tune in. I was watching more live on Saturday

than I was Saturday waste management just because it was a weird timing because of the, where round three was starting that definitely contributed, but like you have some intrigue and I was curious to see because it was a weird timing because of the, where round three was starting that definitely contributed. But like you have some intrigue and I was curious to see how it was going to play out with that good leaderboard. And if I really was missing out on one of these things, that's one. The shotgun start finish is a total disgrace.

It's awful. I'm literally watching it. I have no, they, they made an error in one of the graphics when you line was playing what ended up being his last hole, but he had, it said two to play. And I'm like, Oh, he gets to flip over and play. I think he plays the par five first coming in. Like I should go wager on this. Like I think he's got a good, no,

it turns out that was his last hole. Like you don't even know who, what is remaining. It's a total mess. If you're like a, you know, a die hard golf fan of any kind, you can't figure out what is going on. And finally you pointed out to me that the, their scores turn a different color

once they've finished around. I had no idea who was finished. There's so many colors on those leaderboards. You know, how are you supposed to know that? It's, it's just, oh my God, it's a sensory over. It's a sensory blitzkrieg. Shout out to Brando. It is, it's again, I've said, it's not a different enough style of golf that ever

justify these people that are faking like this is the coolest thing in the world. Like it's, again, I've said it's not a different enough style of golf that ever justify these people that are faking like this is the coolest thing in the world. It's not. It's just golf. It's worse courses. But louder. Way worse fields, worse format somehow. I've tried and man, I'll get into how bleak it's about to get for live.

Also low key, a lot of commercials. Yes. Seven second hole. I thought that was the thing we fixed. The final hole who, uh, Dustin Johnson, T-Doc, they didn't show the other two tee shots of the other two guys in the group. They didn't, they did not show it. They got, they didn't show that.

And it was TIL. I'm like, dude, I have seen this product before. I have seen this. We have, we have this at home. We, as DJ says, we have plenty of towels. Thank you. Yeah. I think, I don seen this. We have this at home. As DJ says, we have plenty of towels. Thank you. Yeah. I think, I don't know, my big takeaway

is like, do I think a lot of people are constantly chirping about how great this is in good faith? No, I don't. I think it's a reaction to reaction to reaction to reaction to reaction, whatever. And what I'll say is like, if you genuinely turn it on and you feel you're feeling the joy watching Watching that and you really like it then like Godspeed man. Have fun. That's great. I'm not telling anybody not to watch it

I'm just telling like it You know, we're getting ready to do our Oscars pod Neil. That's that's coming up some movies. You just don't like right I'm not I'm not telling anybody to not watch them. I'm just it's not for me I gave it such an earnest shot this weekend. I swear and it's just it's not for me I'm good. I have time to watch one four-day golf tournament three-day golf tournament whatever per week I think that's about my max. I don't think I need multiple Very lengthy stroke play events in my life Yeah, a couple highlights.

Roms, Shank and the Clics suck, by the way. Tron needs to answer for that. They stink. And Tron's retweet all this blandy stuff all the time. The Clics. He said it. He said it was Blandemonium again this weekend. Oh, it's a disgrace.

They're awful. Rob Schenke was absolutely sick. That's where I was like, you know what, man? I'm good. Rob's just a cold shank for the middle of the fairway. Well, and I also, I feel like there's some like sometimes, like we've played with some pro golfers and I, they hit some bad fucking shots when they're not playing competitive rounds. Like Casey put Jordan Spieth at Coppola, chunks one into the ravine on like the fifth wall. I'm like, dude, you do that too. Like, and I just feel like there may be a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But it's like, yeah, man, it's, I kind of think there's an impact there of like, is he, yeah, there's a lot of money at stake, but is he really locked in?

Like, I don't know. Dustin Johnson's quotes, I think this is from Dan Rapaport, said he didn't touch a club in the entire offseason was shocked that he finished T5 in the first week. And then he won in the second week, which again is like, huh, maybe it was a huge coincidence, man. Maybe, maybe. Or, what would be more likely? I hate that my brain works this way now But I could see it come from a mile away like Charlie Hoffman's up the top of the leaderboard

I'm guessing people are just oh, whoa PGA tour blah blah blah as if like and I was like alright I'm gonna look this up. What's it's Charlie Hoffman's data golf rank. It's 205. Okay. I'm just gonna look at some What's Peter you lines? It's 199 right like this same exact thing literally just happened Live the day before that people pretend like it didn't happen. But also Rom chirping at a fan for not having their phone on silent while music is just absolutely blasting. I don't think I don't think with 500 million you get to tell fans to turn their phones off anymore. I don't think he has fully grasped the new environment that he's playing in. Rom hit some bad, bad, bad shots coming down the stretch.

Did you guys watch his interview? Bad wedges, bad, like just awful. Did you guys watch his interview with Dylan to chair golf.com, YouTube video? Not yet, but I would like to. I should put that on my list this week. Yeah. Did you watch it? Yeah, I did. You're probably fine. I mean, it's it's it's kind of even more sad of just like Yeah, man, like when they put a bunch of money in front of you like it does change things

I know I said that but like when they actually do it. I owe it to my family. It's like All right. Yeah, you are doing the opposite of selling me on this product Like you're just saying out loud that you're doing this all for the money and tell you how much I didn't want to do it man, but I had to yeah It was it was just like what would you do? I don't know. I it, man, but I had to. Yeah. It was, it was just very. It's actually like, what would you do? I don't know. I mean, probably the same thing, but it still sucks. Like I, I suck, you know, like, yeah, I, I look myself in the mirror.

I like, I'm a fucking loser. No, no, it hates me more than me. Trust me. Yes, right. You know, like, don't, yeah, don't put that back on me. You're supposed to be my hero, brother. Yeah, it's going to get weird with live here. Like now, like I think this was their their window, I guess. And again, it couldn't have worked out much better for my Acoba yet. And, you know, Vegas Super Bowl week was supposed to be this big

scene. I mean, there was a fair amount of people out there on Saturday, but I didn't feel like there was a huge scene out there. And I don't think they're gonna, as I said, I don't think they're crushing ratings this week. But next is King Abdullah Economic City. I refuse to say live Jetta. March 1 through 3, that won't be live in the US. And I'm going off television. I'm sure you can want, I think you can watch it on the app live. But again, they don't show, for all the TV problems that they claim to have solved with this, like they don't show their product live when it's international. Hong Kong is the next week. That also won't be live in the US. Then you go to Miami, April 5th through 7th. That's up against

the final four. Then you have Adelaide, which also is in the middle of the night in the US, won't be live Singapore, May 3 through 5. That's middle of the night, won't be live Singapore May 3 through 5 that's middle of the night won't be live Houston is June 7 through 9th the Swamp as Invitational that's up against Memorial a signature event and then Nashville June 21 through 23 is up against Travelers I'm getting the office getting this off somebody from Reddit I hope they have all this right by the way Andalusia goes up against the Scottish and also won't be live in the US London Wouldn't won't be live on TV in the US. I don't think again Cuz I think they always have to broadcast it in that 115 window on TV

And then Greenbrier August 16th 18th is up against st. Jude Which is a signature event and playoff event or whatever you want to call it. That's their 10 events. I Totally co-signed that they should finish on Saturdays. That's a great idea. I also, I'm going to push back though. I, I know they're, I'm not in the, in the management room, but I think it's, I'm actually curious to see how the international events do as far as crowds go. And I think it might be one of those things where like, if the crowds are awesome,

you could see the live management high-fiving like see see the party we created. I think this is much more of a are we creating a live, awesome environment? Like, you know, what happened at Adelaide last year will be celebrated as a win as it should be. And so maybe that's the, that's the opportunity form is to go international and, and, you know, get a bunch of people to go to the event. Two things with that though. One, that's not that hard to do when you like host concerts like at night, right? And has outdoor events, right? And if that was like the through line of like their goal for all of this, sure,

like that they would be very successful in that. It's obviously not the goal in this. They wouldn't have as many events in the U.S. as they do. They wouldn't be after a television market in the U like they are, they wouldn't, you know, it's clearly what they actually want out of this. That's one, two, again, it's not even the full theme of all of these international events. Go listen to Phil's interview he did on Pat McAfee show.

He basically made the point that like the business model for Live is to sell these events to tourism boards. Like that's what the Singapore, like there's no one that goes to the Singapore event. He's like, you don't understand, we made like, we make like tens of millions of dollars off that event. Like that is not that, you know, like they're not kind of doing this, making this amazing environment in each spot.

It is, you know, they're just kind of flying by the seat of their pants. I don't want to win moving this here and there. I don't know. It's not, it's not, uh, I don't know what that changes. If you have a good, of a strong in-person event. We'd have to talk to somebody from, from Liv, but if the goal is TV ratings, then they're doing it wrong. They should, they, like, based on the list you just provided in, like, it's pretty obvious to just end it on Saturdays. It feels like a, I don't know why you're

trying to go head to head with established sporting events on the, you know, just kind of on the like US calendar, not only golf events, but just like final four, all that stuff. You're absolutely right about that. So, I think like, like everything and you could make this claim for, I think the worst, like the bottom of the barrel PJ tour events as well. But, uh, I mean, I'm trying to think in my head. I'm like, all right, well, what would change my mind? And like, what would make me want to watch? What would make me want to watch highlights? What would make me want to see what's going on? And I think the only thing still remains like context for the majors, right? Like the walking nemen thing is a good example of like, ah, you know what,

maybe you could convince me if I squint, like, yeah, maybe he should get an exemption to the masters playing really good golf, young talent, like global player seems like that. That's Latin. You want a national open Latin and champ too. Like that's like Augusta thing. And that's a good example, but it's like it all, it all ladders up to the context of the majors, like on its own, it truly is meaningless to me. And, and I just, I don't know what's going to change that anytime soon. Better golf courses would help. The golf course, we don't talk enough about how trash the golf courses are.

Like it's, it's awful. I mean, it would be like the 40th and over ranked golf courses on the PGA tour. My couple was one of those golf courses on the PGA tour literally and Las Vegas Country Club was even worse man. It is we started the show talking about Phoenix like being an incredible stage and then historical place for golf like it gives us moments like that's just not going to happen at the places that they're going to. Yeah.

Um, I don't want to spend much time on this one, but came out that advisors could face, the live advisors could face 20 years in Saudi Arabian prison if they comply with US investigation into the PJ Tour and live golf dealings. So that's cool. You know, just threatening your advisors with jail. This is what I that's one of those Headlines you see you're like man lots change we do this ten years lots It was very much I didn't think leopards would eat my face said person who voted for the leopards eating face pop party like How we've seen this coming? All I'll all I'll say I guess the the year of reaping is

Off to a good start, you know, let's say listen to the trap truck goals goals podcast But it seems like a lot of people reaping what they sow right like I you know I think Saudi Arabia probably has every every right to have some sort of NDA clause in their in their contracts about like hey You if you sign this deal, you cannot share these, what we're sharing with anybody under any circumstances, under very serious punishments. Like go ahead and put that in the contract. I would kind of look at the people who signed that contract and say like, hey, man, if it comes time to side with either your bosses or it says here there's a US Senate investigation going on that doesn't

like what you're doing. I would maybe think twice about signing those deals, but, you know, I'm sure they'll figure it all out. And again, I'm sure there's listeners that are screaming into their phones like, this is a global product, it's all about the global thing. Like, again, it's not like they want to do business in the US. That's why they have as many events in the US as they do. And that's why the US is looking into this deal, right? That's why US law is going to be applicable here and why this is actually being investigated at the US level. And yeah, it's, but, but I don't know if this changes anything for you guys. A bunch of people got really rich off this.

Oh, they have a ton of money, right? So I don't know if that changes anything for you as a golf fan. Cause, uh, I just, but I can you confirm whether or not anyone got the bag? I cannot disclose that, right? And you know what? Good for them. That's, that's great. You know what's actually I'm interested to see is the good for them, but

also like if the U S Senate comes asking questions, like that, you got to kind of deal with that. Yeah, sure. Right. I think that's maybe what gets lost in that second half of the conversation Yeah, there's there's maybe some string yeah, there's some consequences some string yeah, yeah Which which makes the rom getting upset about the like music and stuff like even funnier It's like but that might just be like the hip of the iceberg my guy isn't the consequences of my own actions

last thing I had was Carlos Ortiz was on golf subpar, um, just emphasizing what we already knew that the players were told that they would get world ranking points. Uh, and of course, I've not gotten that, which just kind of made me sad, but also leprosyting face party, uh, conversation. Um, on the back, on the PGA tour side, uh, we got some big old mouse key when those guys cut their toes off. They think they're going gonna get a billion dollars on the PGA tour side. Some news that

came out this week in a memo sent to PGA tour players. Following news of the investment coming from SSG, the PGA tour enterprises is issuing equity grants to four different groups of players. The first group consists of $750 million in aggregate equity. It'll be granted to 36 players based on career performance, last five-year performance, and player impact results. My question to you guys, 36 players, where do you think the cutoff is in that? Who's 37 on this list? Who's the Colin Moriakawa of the PIP that's getting cut off from this and gonna have a big qualm here? I got a lot more questions back to you of like,

what is the recent performance weighted or is it just a true average of the last five years? Probably a little bit of an aging schedule, right? Yeah, cause like a guy like Wyndham Clark then would be like, you know, wasn't wasn't doing a whole lot. You know, years one to three and then the last year and a half he's been really, really good. So does he does that put him in the 30s, right? Or or is if he's getting weighted because of recency, I don't call it bias, but like his performance recently, you know,

he's a top 10 player. I don't want to call it bias, but like his performance recently, you know, he's a top 10 player. Um, good question. I would initially describing this, I would definitely say Clark would be in this group, right? Major champion two signature events on top of that. I would guess and I do not have any intel. This is a truly a total guess.

It was just like a point system of like major championship is worth this. PJ Torwin is worth this signature event is worth this pip is worth, blah, blah, blah, like some measurements as to what kind of impact you've actually had on things. It's probably pretty messy, of course, but I don't know if you're not in the top 36, I think that's probably pretty evident and you probably don't have too much of a beef with this. But again, the idea is a bubble guys though.

I mean, I'm trying to think like, man, Sam Burns probably in this. I would say so. Right? Yeah, I would say so. But I'd say he's probably in the 20s. I mean, how about a guy like Daniel Berger played really, really well, but he's been hurt. That's what's wild about this is injuries.

And how they kind of, you know, cut a hole in your body of work. Also worth noting in this, and I don't have the exact language in front of me was basically that these are gonna be on some kind of a vesting schedule. This is not just something that gets to you right away and that you can go sell, right?

And I still don't know exactly how these are gonna work from talking to a couple of people it sounds like they don't know exactly how this equity, you know, can the value in this can be realized, right? How can you turn it into cash? I've heard a couple of different ideas of how, you know, you might have the option to kind of sell the equity on an annual basis or something like that. But it's not, I'm guessing that would be sold back to other members or future members or past like, or just PGA or enterprises in general. Or SPG or enterprises or other investors.

But I'm keeping it in the. There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of questions still to come with PGA tour enterprises, right? And I think a lot of people are still thinking of this as the PGA tour. When in reality, I think the PGA tour enterprise business is about to just become like the golf business. I think if I was to guess, I said this last week as well, PJ Tour Enterprises. And again, don't think of that as the PGA Tour, but that company is probably

going to go around and start buying up some properties such as the Ryder Cup. Some, some of the biggest events in golf. I have no idea what their interests would be in the LPGA Tour or golf resorts or what it might be, but they're going to get in the business of golf outside of, you know, just the 501c6 of the PGA tour. I don't know if they're looking at that with like, oh, we could, you know, just with a few tweaks, we could make this thing double in audience size. I don't think that's where the gains are going to come from in this company, right? So in theory, Roy McElroy, Jordan Spieth, Justin Thomas, all these guys are going to share in the equity growth of this overarching company that is going to be investing in all these other properties.

And it's going to be on some kind of investing schedule to the point where it should in theory retain them on the PGA tour, playing on the PGA tour and not jumping over to live. And that group one, 750 million, they're getting, you know, that's a lot of money. Cause like the next 64 in group two gets 75 million in aggregate equity. And that's based on the last three years performance. Which is God, that's, I mean, I guess that makes sense.

But God, if you had a breakout year this year or next year is kind of, its timing is everything. Right? Like that's a smaller, like you, is there, Right? Yeah, and it goes smaller. Like, is there, let me let you get through it. So, Group 3 is... Group 3 is 30 million in aggregate equity and it's granted to 57 players who have earned certain fully exempt PGA Tour status categories and Group 4 consists of 75 million in aggregate equity and be granted to 36 players who were instrumental in building the modern PGA tour based on career performance.

So that's like a legend. That's an interesting one. It is. But that one's almost more interesting than the first category of like, pick your 36 legends. Yeah. You know, because that's where it could get interesting of like arguing about like who is better, you know, that's what do you have to be a lot of that too. I don't mean to be morbid, but like Arnold Palmer's estate probably should have a say in that. Yeah, I think it would have to be a state.

Yeah, I would certainly think so. Um, anyways, I just wonder if there's so that's it, right? There's no, uh, there's no, are they saving? I gotta think they're saving up. There's a group five of future hitters. There is. So there's gonna be some recurring player equity grants that are incremental to the initial grants.

And then in the aggregate of $600 million are planned to be awarded in the amounts of 100 million each year, starting with 2025 season and continuing through the 2030 PGA tour season at a minimum. Instead, it's important to note, all PGA tour members are eligible to receive recurring grants, regardless of whether or not they received an initial grant.

Uh, these recurring grants will reward future top performance performers and will be based on last three year performance, last year performance and player impact results. How about this man? Just some good old golden handcuffs. Hey man, you know, it strongly exceeds expectation. Why don't we toss a little stock? You have some RS useU's restricted stock units.

Come on. They're going to invest over four years now. So don't spend it all at once. OK. That's the whole thing. We got to figure out what the KPIs are, right? There's no details. How are we going to measure these?

And the best thing schedule is very important to know. I also think that the what is the pool of the equity is only good if you can get it liquid. And so if it's just being able to sell it back to the monolith golf business as we were just discussing, that's probably not a great marketplace. Now, if you could sell it secondary to other players or, you know, that probably is a little bit better of a marketplace, but all of that is very interesting of like, how do you cash this out if you're a player to make it like, because you know, these guys aren't like

business mavens. Like, how many dollars is this like real hard, cold cash, brother? Yeah, I think that's the important thing too. At least like, I'm sure most people get this, but they're not walking into a room and like dividing up $700 million, $900 million, right? Like in cash. Like it is, you know what I mean? It's a lot of the people that that's kind of how the early reports made it sound a little bit was like, Scotty Schaeffler direct deposit $45 million, $70 million, $80 million. It's like, well, that's not exactly. million dollars, 70 million dollars, 80 million dollars. It's like, well, that's not exactly it. No, it's all about valuation. That's a little, you know, 12 billion dollars.

It kind of made up, like, you know, somebody's best guess at it and educated, made up guess. But that doesn't basically, I don't know, private equity, all these guys are probably thinking 10 years from now, we take it public or something like that, you know, like, that's how you get, you know, take a long-term perspective if you're the players, but a lot of, a lot of devil in the details with this stuff, man. Way more questions than answers. The, if I was to distill it down though, it would be, one, does this retain the talent that already exists at the PJ Tour level? Does it keep you there? Right? Is it an appealing enough offer to, you know, if somebody comes dangling, you know, 50 million bucks in front of Wyndham Clark

and he doesn't take, doesn't want to take it, you know, is it enough? Right? And I— In theory, it helps. I think it helps mentally. So it's definitely a step in the right direction from that standpoint of giving at least the idea of a war chest or future value can be very powerful. Well, it's like a lot of these dudes, especially in group one, they have an I would think have enough cash that like if you got a cash payment, you're going to go invest it in something, right? Whatever it might be. Rory's invested in whoop, blah, blah, blah, all these guys are investing in a lot of different

stuff might just be mutual funds for all you know. Who knows? But you don't need $300 million sitting in your bank account. Like that's not, even if it is a high yield savings account, that's not the best place to park your money. So having it parked in a place where you are also invested in driving the value for it, and like most of my equity is tied up within our company, right?

Like that's what I do with my career. Like it's what I do every day. Like having a stake in what you're doing. I feel like that could be somewhat meaningful to guys, right? And you know, you're no longer, I don't know if you're technically no longer an independent contractor, but like you are now rowing in the same direction with a group of guys with some actual tangible something you can tie to it.

That's different than how this thing has been structured For eternity to date. I think that is where this gets like the most interesting to me as a as a golf fan like the How you structure the business and how you structure the equity and liquidation all that stuff is like way over my head And who knows how most of that's I don't even know how that stuff would work like with our own company candidly. So I'm the wrong person to ask on that. But I think that the, with these guys, I think what's really interesting, you heard a couple of guys kind of sort of start to sniff at this point. Moor Kawa kind of mentioned this at Pebble and his press conference. It's like, man, when you give Colin Moor Kawa, for example, a massive chunk of equity into PJ Torrent Enterprises it's like, man, when you give Colin Moriakawa, for example,

a massive chunk of equity into PJTorrent Enterprises, essentially, does that make him more likely to wear a microphone on the golf course? Does that make him more likely to change the structure towards something that's more fan-friendly? Because the theory would track that this stuff might be worth X today today and they want to make it worth Y 30 years from now when they can liquidate it, right? And the only reason that that's going to happen is if the product gets Astronomically better. I was gonna say can I pause you right here just to say Items number one through 100 in importance on this list are Can we get everyone back together play on the same golf tournaments? Let's, yeah.

And we're getting some comments from JT and Scotty that kind of made it seem like that's going to be harder than we'd like, but hey, live guys got a bag of money to go do that, whatever they sued the tour, they left, whatever there's hurt feelings. I get it. This is your guys bag, right? Everyone got a bag that's outsized compared to the value you provide for hitting a white golf ball. It does. Can we just move past it all, get back on the field together,

the golf course together, and playing the sport together, competing like the way this is supposed to be. Like that is the only thing I care about in all of this. It is the only thing that matters. And some of the quotes I heard this week are troubling in that regard and makes me, I have some questions about the structure of PGA tour enterprises and player involvement and all that and making this harder than it needs to be to get everyone back together. But I didn't mean to interrupt you there other than to say like, that is the thing here that is of the utmost importance. Well, and that's where I think is, that's kind of where I was finishing is like it, that's what gets most interesting to me is like where the rubber meets the road on

these types of decisions. Because I think in theory, if you're writing all this out in a proposal, like it makes a ton of sense, right? Like you are now personally invested in making the product better. But I think there's a pretty funny, like devil in the details there about like, well, I'm not wearing the mic unless he's wearing the mic. And why should I? Well, now I'm doing all the work. But why does he get, well, what percent does he have versus what I have? And I'm growing this thing more than he, like that's where these guys are gonna start

like ripping each other apart and stabbing each other in the back. And I'm kind of here for that a little bit. I think really more like agents than players probably. But like that's where this can all get a little hairy and messy and kind of funny is when that stuff starts to, the rubber meets the road on that. But I think if you're being an optimist, there's probably a lot to like as a fan, just from a, you know, at least now they have a reason to grab the steering wheel and actually, you

know, take control and do some better stuff. But again, just like these guys are not business mavens to quote you guys, like they're also not entertainment mavens either. So it's like all of this like wrestling for board seats and we wanna be in control, we wanna be in the room, we wanna make all the decisions. It's like, well, you guys are like great putters. You're not good at any of this other shit.

Some of them just okay actually. Yeah, yeah, some of you aren't even good at that. But yeah, that's where it gets really interesting. I'm like, man, you still need like, non-golfer people in the room to like make these decisions and make the product better because I've heard some of their ideas and it's, it ain't it. I don't think so. Can I, can I merge two things here? Read a couple quotes from JT and Scotty. JT said, I would say there's a, this is from this week, I would say there's a handful of players on live that would make the tour a better place,

but I'm definitely not in the agreement that they should just be able to come back that easily. I think there's a lot of us that made sacrifices. I would have a hard time with it, parentheses, welcoming back players to live without a penalty. Scotty said they did kind of leave, they left our tour, that's just part of it. There should be a pathway back for them, but they definitely shouldn't be able to come back without any sort of contribution to the tour. That's one of those like in a vacuum. I again, totally see where you're coming from on that. Nicholson at all was something that reverberated through the halls of Pona Vigera and through the tour. Like that some dudes took that really, obviously took that really personally for good reason. That was a fucked up thing that happened. That is, you know,

that that's gonna be like the part that's gonna be the hardest to mend, yet it makes no sense if like to continue this battle on and not have the best player. Oh, so this is a million times, not have the best players playing at the same time. So you guys got to get over it. You got your back, you got paid. Sorry. Tough shit. Like you can't keep talking like independent contractors anymore. Like you just, you can't. I don't love it. I've evolved on this thought.

I mean, I thought they're kind of, I said there should be some kind of either punishment or an equalization fund of some kind. Well, I said that on June 6th, like this, this equity is the equalization fund. All right, let's go. You and Jessen, you're saying that. Exactly. I expect to be rewarded You got it go fucking play guys. I quit this is part. I just wish you know, I think the golf world Fans at large just it's like yeah, some people got more, but I think all you guys have enough. You're good

Yeah, thank you guys, you know, so yeah, like there's going to be some ego problems. Well, so that's where I want to get to the structure of PJ tour enterprises, though, is a lot of dudes that seem to be in this same camp of like, nah, dog, this ain't going to be that easy. Like the players have massive representation on PJ tour enterprise. I think seven seats, if I counted right, which is like all the PJ tour board of directors. Um, plus, I forget who it is. Plus, uh, plus one other player, I think is it. I don't have that.

I don't know if that's even final. I couldn't tell if it was six or seven either. Okay. But either way, it's a majority. It is a majority, right? And it's of, you know, the cantalays, the tigers that are like really taking this live stuff kind of personal and not in a huge hurry to, you know, to mend fences, if you will. It's a problem with like the whole entire, again, the structure going forward.

Like I don't hear a lot of these guys talking about Roy's the only guy here saying we all need to get back together and play competitive golf. And Roy doesn't have a seat anymore. Well, that's my whole thing, right? Is like, look at it. People hate Roy for it, by the way, also. Like, again, just trying to take this like block by block is like, okay, everybody wants equity so you can drive the value of your own

Product and be rewarded accordingly. Perfect. I'm with you That equity only gets better and bigger and more valuable if the product gets better Great with you. Awesome. Okay. Here's where we're gonna hit our first roadblock is like you fucking people are like the reason the product like a big big big chunk of the reason why the product has sucked the last like 10 20 years is because you guys are like And a lot of it's the independent contractor and why would I do that if I'm not I'm not getting paid and blah blah blah blah blah But like trust me man. We're worked at the tour for a long time. It's not a shortage of ideas There there are smart people bringing good ideas to players.

A lot of bad ideas as well, certainly. But there's a lot of good ideas that would make things better. And a lot of it does get shot down by the players. And so it gets really, it's just gonna be really fascinating to see like, basically who's advising these guys, who's around them, who's telling them what they shouldn't, shouldn't do.

And I don't know, again, I keep using that phrase but like when push comes to shove and and it becomes like hey There's two offers in front of you like will you do this to like make the product better this week or will you not because you have to go chip or You have to go do an ice bath or you have to go do whatever like It's not just as easy as like oh, yeah No, we'll just like get around to making it better. Like you're going to have to inconvenience yourself a little bit. And I'm just really fascinated to see whether that happens or not.

Clarifying, this is a tweet from Sean Zock, the PJ Tour Enterprise is a 13 person board, seven players, which is six policy board directors. The four SSG heads, which is John Henry, Andy Cohen, Sam Kennedy and Arthur Blank, the PJ Tour Commissioner, which is a J. Monahan for now, and one additional director from the PJ Tour Policy Board. So I think that seven total players on there, the six policy board or player directors, plus an additional director from the policy board. Seven of 13, which is obviously the majority on the, I think that could play a factor in how policy gets made I really do and that's obviously intentional

Yeah, and I think there's really interesting push and pull with all of like I think the best Other than just like cold hard cash like the best Selling point for the SSG guys getting involved is like a lot of these guys have have cracked this code and they've made their product super entertaining. And they've made it super fan friendly and very optimized and very like they've done a great job at that but they're also in kind of like this. You know owner employee structure like will let you know when you have media time will let you know when to be where. you have media time and we'll let you know when to beware, which certainly has plenty of downsides as well. But there's a really interesting push and pull between those guys being in the

room and the tour players kind of, uh, you know, probably want to dig their heels a little bit on keeping the status quo. So maybe that all nets out to a good spot, but it's, it's going to be interesting. All right. Let's move towards, uh, towards wrapping this couple of things to mention before I know Neil wants to, wants to bring us home here, but, um, there was a 50 with a happy note with a, with a, with a, I want to celebrate. So it's a happy note.

57 on the corn fairy tour this week from crystal ball del solar. Um, I don't know if it was preferred lies or not. Ultra's pot, ultra pot higher than somebody on. Shot of 59 at the same course this week. It is a 6,200-yard course at 9,000 feet of altitude. Just presenting the information, of course, not downplaying the fact that somebody shot a 57. And a lot of... A lot of...

Just a bit of a red-tea challenge there, which is sweet. Epic week. You have to shout out all four of his rounds. You see what he did the other days Yes, go ahead 50 57 69 75 63 Bit of a bit of a microwave man there Neil that that one 57 was the only round at that one course to the other Probably sign me up though if some tournament wanted to you know, create an identity a a lot of waste management, do a red tea challenge. Yeah, we're going to bring all the best players in the world. We're going to move the teas way up. Just one round. Yeah, I love that. That could be could be interesting. No bad ideas for the new

equity holders. Exactly. Randy's believe Randy's comment was this is how he felt when Sammy Sosa hit 64 home runs in the 2001 season. It's just kind of getting a little, little, little ridiculous in this era of ball go far. So um, yeah, I don't know. I wish them all the best. Only other thing I had was the, um, uh, congrats to everyone involved with the good, good desert classic, which aired on peacock and YouTube on, was it Wednesday night? I forget what it was. Um, I tuned in. I wasn't able to watch a lot of it, Everyone involved the good, good desert classic, which aired on Peacock and YouTube on, was it Wednesday night? I forget what it was. I tuned in.

I wasn't able to watch a lot of it, but tuned in for a few minutes here and there and saw 90,000 people were streaming it live on YouTube while it was also airing on another app, which I'm told another sports league that, you know, that's why nobody's watching it on YouTube because everyone is watching on this app that not very many people have downloaded. But gotta wonder if you spend a couple billion on a sports league and you watch the good, good desert classic out. Do you buy about five X on, on YouTube? That's gotta wonder how that makes you feel like that's just gotta be just tough.

That's so sick. It really is. So unbelievable, man. Shout out to those guys have built is. It's unbelievable, man. Shout out to those guys have built an absolute for emith, man. It's it's it's fantastic. Deige, as the as the video guy on our side, what if I threw something at you like, hey, we want to do a live broadcast? Well, what would that even look like? How would that even come to fruition?

Which I understand NBC Golf Channel was involved in doing all that, which credit to them. I mean, that's listen, they're probably about 10 years too late getting in the alternative golf media space But it's cool to see the you know it kind of that kind of event getting the weight put behind that So congrats there's great, and I think it Yeah at the at the risk of making to two sweeping of a point here. I think that there's There's something really interesting as all this money gets splashed around Pro golf and you see exactly what you just said So a billion dollars get spent for some league that a hundred thousand people are are watching at like looking at some of these

organic things that have sprung up like the good, good guys and just seeing that like, man, people want to watch golf and they do not want to watch specific golfers other than like two or three. And it just really seems like there's, there's probably some sleeping giants from, from that perspective. So I don't know, all these like tour players who are, I don't know, a lot of a lot of the like I demand to be made whole Types of comments over the past year are just like dude There's more people watching the good good guys than know your fucking name So I would just I think I would tread lightly as I see things like that start to explode more and more

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of his just golf year. I think this might be year like 11 or 12. I know it's over 10 years. It's only physical copies, which is probably my favorite thing. So he mails it to me. He used to mail us the kill house and mail nice enough to mail one to me here in Brooklyn. If you do want to follow him digitally.

Do you know how you originally got on the list? I know. It was these were it. There were like two or three of them in the downstairs bathroom in the kill house. So they were there like before. Yeah. So it must have sent him to the house a long time ago. And I was like, yo, have you guys ever looked at these?

That I was I think I was, you know, kind of having a sit down one day. And I was like, yo, if you guys ever looked at these, then I was, I think I was, you know, kind of having a sit down one day. And I was like, what is, what is this year in review thing? I think I'd looked at the cover a million times and picked it up. And it's just this really like detailed breakdown of his golf game. So it does have an Instagram handle and it's JDM underscore year underscore in underscore review. You know, not maybe not the easiest thing We try to put in the show notes But there's no digital So I'll try to take some pics this week and and maybe you know Give people a visual of it

But I want to go through my top 10 favorites parts of it this year because now I have this context I look at it This is like, you know year five that I go through it in detail So just to show you like it that's what 10 pages five pages. No, no Yeah, 10 pages plus so starts off with Total rounds played a hundred twenty one point five, which is just like so much golf number one Like I still have never played over a hundred rounds a year. That's just awesome And he has a career career high, career high of 77 different courses this year.

Um, and he's got that like flame with an arrow in the sheet. There's all these graphics. It's like, you know, it's, it's awesome. And it's always he lists like basically you can compare it to, oh, so it's, no, this is sorry, not 10 years. It's a 20, 21. He's been doing this So 2002 is the first year and he's got all the years listed in a graph 2002 is 10 years ago You know, that's the you were right the first time. Yeah, it feels like it

So I and I can't go through all the details or we'll be here all night because it's it's dense But it's it's awesome with all the graphics. So second second thing I love low score this year 75 high score 97 with a 2023 handicap of 7.0 a career low of only 136 whole day this year. 54% of his rounds were walked and 25% of those rounds were played alone. And I do want to give a shout out to Brett and Tony Tony. Those are the two most loyal playing partners this year. 36 rounds for Brett and 29 rounds for Tony, respectively. We had 91 lost balls this year, which was 15% more lost balls than in 2023.

Wow. 108 birdies. The rounds were up, too. Rounds were up. 108 birdies. Hark, Randy. Hear this. 108 birdies.

That's 0.89 birdies per round. And he had two Eagles this year. Longest stretch without golf. What do you guys think it was? Hmm. I'm looking at it right now. So I'll say roughly, I'll say a hundred days. Nine days.

He did that. Whoa. Times this year. Let's see. Career high. This is one of my favorite categories. Career high. 14 free rounds. So I want to put a call out to the NLU community. Let's get my guy Mr. Minium 15 plus free ones in 2024. Okay. That's we can all do that as a as a group. I love that one.

Career high played 14 free rounds. 14 free rounds rounds he highlighted actually I'll read a couple out because you had them like listed in here He said thanks to Lincoln D. Uncle Tom. Dr. J KJR Danielle M the uf shop worker and then he snuck on Which which is good stuff. Let's see. Oh, four. So we got 14 career free round of career high. So career high played golf in 22 different states this year. That's unbelievable. Looks like a couple rounds in Hawaii. So it sounds like so John will travel. He will travel to play. So again, Hark, hear this. Let's get some free rounds. Let's see. And then he has the back page is 18 questions. So he's got these, he opens them up to, I guess, you know, the followers. So TC snuck in a question in the back section. He asked, what, which you guys are going to love? What was the worst hole you played in 2023? And he said the opener at Lake Geneva

Palmer course and I will read the answer here The opener at Lake Geneva Palmer course green slopes massively from back to front stupid exclamation point I'll give you a course to East Potomac in DC It's set to have a dope redo paid for by the National Link Stress The problem is that after two years are they're still awaiting approval for the renovations by the same government agency that hired them, the National Park Service. Gotta love the government. I am looking at a flyover the first hole. Oh my God, is that a bad hole?

At Lake Geneva? Yes. Yeah, so great submission there. It's like the fifth hole at Mirfield Village But you know on a smaller scale and like you cross a creek twice and there's a little island fair like an island Fairway that makes absolutely no sense. I'm with John on this one. Looks like he Some of the others so still no ace, huh? Yeah, so that's zero So he's never had an ace. No, so that's that's he tracks that Another question here.

Anything jump out at you from the year and review? First time ever I played a hole in par for the year 18 South at the legends. You wouldn't think it'd be that hard. So I guess the stats for that hole he played an even par, which is which is cool. So it's just the the reason I love this. Where's this guy based? He's based in Tennessee. The legends is his home course. He has like home versus away rounds. So he played 46% of his rounds at home this year and 54% away. And I mean, you guys could throw a question at me like if you're curious about like it's probably in here.

But what I think is sweet is like I aspire to keep stats like this as anyone that's listening to our goals pod knows and it's just the dedication it takes to do this and I guess it's really not that hard. It's like, you know, you're keeping the same stats every round, but like then to go back and put it together in a recap like this. I just think is like, I don't know, man. I just, I admire it. I love it. I get a kick out of it. And he always sends it. It's got a picture. He's got this

signature pose of him. It's always a picture. And I'll post an image of it of him doing a follow through swing at his, you know, most scenic course or favorite course of the year. So it's just like all the issues, almost like the golfers journal, they all have the same type of cover. And so they all fit together. It's just, it's the best. And so I wanted to celebrate that because I get a kick out of it every year when I, when I get this year in review. Hell yeah. I love it. I need to, I need to get on the mailing list here in Milwaukee. That'd be a good, a good, a good spot for the winter. Well, so I was, I was, you know, DMing with them and I'm, I'm like, is there a digital version? He's like, no, the hard copy is the best way to

experience it. And I'm like, well, I don't want to, I don't want you to get flooded with requests for it. You know, like I, I, I, but it's, it's sweet. So if you do end up on the mailing list, consider yourself lucky. There are, so year in review numbers, there's 270 people on the mailing list. lucky there are so year-in-review numbers there's 270 people on the mailing list and again his his Instagram is JDM underscore year underscore in underscore review and yeah that's it I have two shoutouts to give as we go to wrap if you watched our our video from the Asia Pacific Amateur to two guys featured in that video went absolutely apeshit this week

Kazuma Kabori turned professional since that event and he has won for the third time in four weeks Since turning professional. He is a freak. He doesn't move it. He has 160 ball speed and I'm super curious how his career is gonna play out but and also windy ding who was in the playoff with Jasper Stubbs, he shot 27 under to win the Armour RA Invitational by nine strokes. And the dude is an absolute freak at hitting the golf ball. So it's just a big couple of careers that are following. Here's those tape. Last thing, a couple of shout outs, too. We got to give a shout out to our guy, Hard K, Fred X Cup,

a couple shout outs to we got to give a shout out to our guy hard K Fred X cup alumnus for my my my inaugural squad love that guy you know, of course the the tour and Feel good story. He's gonna get beat into submission, but man Electric interview on Sunday. So Jimmy Knost was its last PJ Torvent Monday qualified in to the waist management and then played his ass off and I think he shot finished at 7 under or 8 under and now he's going to take a real job. I think he's going to work with Ping. But what a send off for him. And then secondly, Bud Colley coming back from what? Three year hiatus with injuries and making

the cut and having a really strong showing. Amen to that. Very happy for HardK. It was a great story. They did a great job with that. And, and yeah, it was, but very excited for Bud. We got it. We got to get an answer for what he was thinking with his shot in the 17. He tried an opposite handed shot. Yeah, that was right in front of the water to wait directly in the water. Uh, it looked like he lost a bet and had to try that or something, but, uh, that'll be the fun story to follow. So guys, I'm exhausted.

106 a.m. here on the East coast. It is bedtime. Uh, and we have Genesis this week. We'll have a happy hour show on Wednesday. This week, 4 p.m. Eastern times when we, that's when we did our first one, I assume that's when we're going to do that one this week, but we're going to plan on that. And we will announce that this week. And then we'll of course be live on Sunday night after the Genesis got Tiger coming this week. So it is probably the best, the

best week of the year. So excited for that. Oh, good. And maybe, maybe it is his, his new, his new brand. Yeah, super. Lifestyle. Yeah. Look out. Here we go. So, all right guys, thanks for sticking out Super Bowl Sunday. And thanks to all listeners for lasting this long with us as well. We'll see you back here next week. Cheers. Be the right club. Be the right club today. Be the right club today!