No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 794: Genesis Recap

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

Hideki puts on a ball-striking clinic on Sunday to with the Genesis with a final round 62. We break down Matsuyama's win, the return of Will Zalatoris, Cantlay and Xander's Sunday struggles, Scottie ...Scheffler's adventures on the greens, Tiger's WD, Spieth's DQ and ton more from the week at Riv. We also offer some thoughts on Mackenzie Hughes's interview during the third round on the state of pro golf, some Hamsterdam takes, results from elsewhere in pro golf and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Music Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up live show presented as always by our friends at High Noon Sunday night Riviera recap. Sally here. KVV was out on site at Riviera this past week. Hello, Kevin. How are you? It's all I am fabulous. I'm a little jet lagged, but I am ready to talk a decky tiger, all the things that I saw this week, a few celebrities, not as many as Lashard and get to hang out with Rob Lowe. So I feel like, uh, you know, that was, that was a big thing for me last year. Rob Lowe and I walked like 18 holes, three hours, jet lag, three hours. We doing that. I mean, a little, come on. Listen, you know, don't, don't. Don't be like dropping your Australian knowledge here for this crap 30 year time. If you're
Starting point is 00:01:08 on the West coast, you should be feeling great right now. I'm not, I don't know if I'm doing work for the company and I'm getting dragged by you about how, you know, I'm not, not chipper enough. Come on. Three hours. I mean, come on. We can handle that. Big Randy. I know you're probably jet lagged from travel. You've done a couple of months ago. How are you, Mr. Big? I am still feeling a little jet lag. Thank you for your understanding and your patience. I'm great. Enjoyable tournament. Not quite the drama at the very end. I think we were hoping for, but an enjoyable week. Excited to talk to you boys about it. Of course, a shout out to our friends at High noon. You can bring the fiesta anywhere you go with the all new high noon tequila seltzer fiesta pack. This variety eight pack features
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Starting point is 00:02:29 everyone for being here live on a Sunday night or if you're listening to it, do it in your car on the podcast on Monday morning, we appreciate you as well. Guys, a big week, big week at Riviera, a lot going on, a lot to get to. We got DQs. We got WDs. We got people shitting their pants, things like that. But I'm going to go ahead and go out on a limb and say, I think Hideki Batsuyama was, uh, was the story today. Ray, I'm going to throw it to you first. What's your, what's your reaction? Well, we just saw the Hideki. Yeah. Can Hideki win? Absolutely. It was a master class today from him. What a, what a fun scorecard he turned in, right?
Starting point is 00:03:01 A clean card with nine birdies lumped in three groups of three. You don't see that type of card very often. That was fun. But man, those shots, the approach shots into 15 and 16, I think it combined maybe 18 inches on those two birdies. It was a hell of a performance by Hideki. Yeah. I mean, God, just when I was thinking it was like, guys, Will's out, Torus going to win this is Cantley still around. He just went and took it. It was, uh, it was very, very impressive. And I think, uh, for a lot of reasons, well, I'll ask you guys, what do you think about Hideki winning? I feel like it's a great winner. It was, it was, you know, anytime he wins, it's, it's a, it's a good day as far as I'm concerned on the PGA tour.
Starting point is 00:03:47 It was feeling like a snooze fest for me for a little bit today. I just could not get, I was pulling for Will, Zaltoros, until the deck, he came screaming up the board and I was like, you know what? I, I've always hated that the putter toe gets way up in the air and he feels like he's got the putter, like a little bit more level with the ground. And you know, Trevor was pointing that out too. I, I was like, you know what, I can get behind this. Just only 10 years before he's like, all right, I'm going to try the actual way that
Starting point is 00:04:12 you're supposed to putt. Yeah. He's just a little stubborn. So he just wants to make sure and do it his way. You know, he's, he's had the same putter, it's the same Scotty, same stance, same everything for all this time. But you know, could had Ecke putt, like this, this is the guy that I think we wanted to see for the last five years with Mideki.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Like it shouldn't just be him tearing it up with the masters and one, you know, eight years later at RIV, like four years later, RIV. He's got to be doing this all the time. He's that talented. I think this is a, there's a forgot about Dre forgot about Hedekki kind of West coast crossover that I'm not fully prepared to make at this moment. But there is like, I feel like we've all myself definitely guilty of this have forgot about Hideki. Right. I mean, he put in truly a decade of just balls. Like he was the original Scotty Schaeffler, not quite to the elite level that Scotty is,
Starting point is 00:04:57 but just so consistent for truly 10 years on tour of hitting the ball off the tee and approaching and just not being able to figure out how to get it in the hole. And then with injuries and stuff, he was kind of talking about in that interview, uh, after the round as well, he just, the ball striking has been there. Consistency hasn't been there. And he's truly been the forgotten guy. When I saw him at pebble, it's like, man, I hadn't even thought about Hideki. Like remember how big of a deal it was that, you know, maybe he had a $400
Starting point is 00:05:21 million offer from live and how devastating that was going to be to the tour for them to be out there, you know, to lose essentially lose the Japanese golf market, which is just massive for their international distribution and and there are huge. He's a huge moneymaker for the tour and He wasn't really playing very well. He's kind of seemed like his career was on the downside It was like, man, why why didn't you go to live? You think you'd fit the bill in a lot of ways. But to have a, a, a very competitive Hedekki back, uh, was not something I really saw coming. I don't think anyone really saw coming. He has, he said it was his first
Starting point is 00:05:52 top 10 players last year. I don't even think I'd realize that until afterward. Um, but man, to go from six back, going into the final round to winning by three is a pretty rare feat. I'd struggle to think of somebody that came from that far back to just destroyed the field that badly. I was struggling to think about when's the last time I saw a 62 on like a real good course to win a tournament. Like this, this was a big boy round. That's what struck it stood out to me is that this is not like shooting 62 at
Starting point is 00:06:20 AmEx or shooting 62, you know, at Century or whatever. This is like the premier course on tour. That's what made it so cool. I'm reading the comment. Tom, Tom Oleson, Sully's on the verge of declaring four majors for Hideki. Um, yeah, KVV, you're absolutely right. You know, Justin Ray tweeted, this is the lowest, I think Hideki becomes the first person to shoot 62 and win the tournament at Riviera on the PGA Tour
Starting point is 00:06:46 So an excellent excellent final round. So I'll let your point about you know, where has Hideki been and him being the forgotten guy Amanda in the post-round interview, you know brought it up I guess as a fan and just as somebody that's you know around golf. I don't understand how severe his back injuries have been. And it sounds like it's gone back to the year 2022. And I have to think that's played a big part in him just not really being a factor the last 18 months. But yeah, I mean, shit, if this is a decky
Starting point is 00:07:23 and he's fully healthy It just seems like when he gets that putter going and he any rolls some long putts. He is very very dangerous So fingers crossed that that will be the case at least for the foreseeable future So like can you get with the head equies back therapist guy get your own back? It's giving me some he's giving me hope here Yeah, that there's that there's life after after back injuries But I mean just to just to illustrate some, he's giving me hope here. Yeah. That there's, that there's life after, uh, after back injuries. But I mean, just to, just to illustrate how far he's fallen, he's 63rd in the world for not using the corrupt, O W G R using a data golf rankings in mid 2017. He was the number one player in the data golf
Starting point is 00:07:55 rankings. And then as, as recently as 2020, like summer 2020, he was in the top five. Like that's how, how far he's fallen off, you know, in the last couple of years. So I, I don't blame myself for not seeing this one coming because, uh, you know, and without a decky today would have been a really, really interesting day. I mean, Will's out tours was making a charge up the leaderboard. Luke List went out in 30 this morning. Can't lay kind of came back to the field. I think he was kind of reading the room a little bit on kind of what the reaction was to him having a four shot lead after 36 holes and, and punted a few back to the field. But, uh, uh, let's do this now. You know, we can get to, we'll get through some of the, some of the other performances we can talk about this week, but I today was a fun day. You know, Hedecki
Starting point is 00:08:37 kind of, you know, a big name winner for this event, but this, this is not the dream start to the PGA tour season. I think it's fair to say that. I mean, the guys that, you know, have been the biggest keeps for the PGA tour, the Scotty's, the Rory's, the speeds, the JT's, the, I mean, keep going down the list have not really showed out or not really come close to winning any events so far on the PGA tour. The signature event model I'm a fan of. I think it's, I think it's fantastic, but man, did it just this whole week. I could not help but think of like how much I missed Rom and how much I missed DJ and Cam Smith.
Starting point is 00:09:11 I'm like all of the contrasting playing styles of a lot of the dudes that left just felt like, man, God, wouldn't this make way more sense if they were there this week? Randy, you're making faces that you were not missing Rom. Well, I've never caught myself like missing those guys. I guess they're more big names to add to the heap, but I don't know. Like if, if Rom or DJ were involved, sure, that's great. I, I didn't really mind the weekend. Like I thought Zalatoris PGA tour commercial. You're not going to mind it. I mean, it's going to be like, okay.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Well, no, I feel like you could lift this leaderboard and place it four years ago and I don't, you know, nobody would have reacted. Um, but this was the highlight so far, I'd say, right. And if this is the highlight, this is the peak so far. That's kind of more of my point. I mean, I'll be honest. I kind of wrote this in the agenda before we had a, you know, pretty fun, decent Sunday, but like, man, let's start to the, when
Starting point is 00:10:09 speed getting with a DQ'd, which we'll get to Tiger withdrawing, like this was not overall the dream week that was supposed to come out of this signature event. It didn't, I'll tell you what, it didn't compare at all to last year's RIV where Tiger had the great, you know, thing with, with JT earlier in the week, last year, obviously there was the whole like tampon thing, which was its own sort of incident, but, but Max and Rom, like throwing haymakers at each other in the final round, you know, Tiger had that really good Saturday where I think he shot 65. Like there was a lot of excitement last year, a lot of juice all throughout the week. And this week was just kind of like one sort of like me after another, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:46 speed getting DQ Tiger having to withdraw cause he's sick, Vori making triple early and just basically punting himself out of the tournament. Like there was a lot of things that went, you know, poorly compared to last year for me as someone who attended both tournaments where I was like, man, like this just, just lacking a little bit of juice. Yeah. It, I mean, I, on the positive side, I thought CBS was, was really good in terms of the, the stuff that they've added to the broadcast, of course, over the last
Starting point is 00:11:13 couple of years, bringing Rory to the booth, bringing Gary Woodland in on Saturday, the camera angles, they were using new graphics, all this stuff. Like they were ready to bring it to life. Like on the positive side, it just, I don't know, man, it, uh, it, if, if that's like the, the, the best the PGA tour has to offer is the best golf course they play all year long. It's my favorite tournament of the year. And if that's the best it's got to offer, I'm sure we'll get better finishes.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Like in general, that's just the likelihood you'll get some exciting finishes over the course of a year, but it just, it, it feels like the tour is just kind of out, out on a lake without a paddle right now. Like it doesn't seem like it's going in any particular direction. That's, that's very exciting. I, why am I the like optimist here? Maybe I just don't watch as much PGA tour golf as you guys. I promise you that's the case.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Over the last couple of years, like there, there are so many tournaments that are just so forgettable. Like the, the great thing about Riviera is we will always have the golf course And so you always have you know these holes in certain shots like I I don't know I at no point this week was I thinking and like oh my god this sucks or I don't know I just wasn't falling into that bigger picture. I guess which maybe is just my fault. It's not where my mind went, but I don't know. I'm positive that we could find much worse examples of like the state, the PGA Tour is in than this week. And I don't mean to say that this week is the, you know, the exclamation point on
Starting point is 00:12:39 the, on a slow start. Like again, this was kind of the highlight, but again, we're talking Chris Kirk, a great story, of course, Grayson Murray, a great story kind of bouncing the both of things that they've struggled with bouncing back. Obviously, Nick Dunlap was a fantastic story. But you know, Matthew Pavon winning farmers with the leaderboard. That was just not not the best. It was an exciting finish, of course, but just that's that's not what you're dreaming up here. A Saturday finish for Wyndham Clark to win at Pebble. Obviously, last weekend was great. Nick Taylor's performance, but again, Nick Taylor versus Charlie Hoffman
Starting point is 00:13:07 in a playoff is just, it's kind of not how you're drawing this one up. Um, and I don't know, we're done with the West coast swing, my favorite part. And I just don't think that that was, uh, an overall, like a really successful West coast swing to PGA tour. And it's through no one's fault. Like I don't, there's nothing that tour really could have done other than try to keep some of their town do more than of the, to keep the talent that, that is what kind of where I'm going at with this is just, there's a lot of dudes missing man. I just, you can't manufacture drama though, right? It just has to kind of unfold naturally.
Starting point is 00:13:34 And so I guess you would hope that over the course of the season that ultimately would, would shake out that way. But, you know, for Rory and for Scotty to sort of been pretty mess so far on the PGA tour season, I think that's, that's definitely a hurting. I mean, I, it speaks a big name, but I don't think we put speed in the same category as those two guys in terms of some firms of like pure talent. So it would be really helpful if like the two most talented players would
Starting point is 00:14:00 play better and would sort of carry the baton for a bit, but you can't force that in golf, right? And so I don't know what it would be interesting to see who has the next few weeks play out. Like, are we going to get any like excitement before the masters are we going to, or even for the players, like, is it going to build to something or it's just going to be kind of this like rise of the mules continuing? I mean, we have the Mexico open at Bidanta this coming week, the cognizant classic in the Palm beaches, not, not my two favorite weeks on tour coming up. Uh, and then Bay Hill, which is another signature event at what, at one of my
Starting point is 00:14:32 least favorite courses on tour and then the players championship. So, um, not the best month coming up here. Uh, you're kind of few weeks leading up to, to the players, but, uh, unexciting note, a positive note that I'm surprised how much I'm invested in this guy and care about this guy and root for him when he's on the screen. Uh, is the comeback of Will's, Alatourist Randy. This was, he was your Valentine on Wednesday, uh, on our happy hour show. Just to clarify what I'm referring to, you, you sent him a Valentine on our show
Starting point is 00:14:58 on Wednesday. I was surprised by that. And, uh, it was very prescient of you. Will's Alatourist back in the mix, played some really good golf, didn't get it done today, but finished T2. Yeah. He's had some decent results, actually some pretty good results at Riviera in the past. I believe the top 10 maybe last time he was healthy. I think it's great that he's coming back. Again, we rewind and gosh, when he's been a factor in majors and obviously went through the micro disectomy and just seeing him healthy and being in contention, I think is a great step for him. And I don't know what it is. I'd be curious. I'll pose this question to both of you guys. Like, what is it about Will's game? I just find myself, I enjoy watching him play golf.
Starting point is 00:15:45 And I think I tried to think about it a little bit today. I mean, he's an excellent ball striker with just enough shakiness in the putter. Obviously it's still that putting stroke, the ball coming off his toe. I mean, it does look a lot better with the broomstick, but still maybe not how you would draw it up. Like, I think that's what attracts me to him, right? He's so good in this
Starting point is 00:16:11 one area and can seem so shaky in this area, in this other area, it just makes for a bit of a roller coaster. But yeah, bigger picture. I'm thrilled that he's back and healthy. I don't know. It sounds like Soly, at least you feel the same way. He just is fun to healthy. I don't know. It sounds like, Sully, at least you feel the same way. He just is fun to watch. I don't know. He's just a guy I inherently find myself interested in watching. Something about, you know, not all great ball strikers are really fun to watch play golf. He is.
Starting point is 00:16:40 I don't know if I can fully explain why. I love, I love his swing. I love his shot shape. I love just when he gets on a heater with irons, it's, it's just genuinely exciting. I mean, no one, not that many guys can fire at pins the way he does when he gets hot and it's really, really fun to watch. Is it, uh, you know, do his numbers probably compare pretty closely with like Xander or can't lay probably, but it's just not nearly as exciting when, when they do it. I, his, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:17:02 He's a pretty cool personality. Uh, he's, he's given us some huge moments in major championships. I think that really helps like the dudes that elevate their play at the hardest tournaments on the hardest courses and give you really memorable moments. Just, I feel like just tend to endear themselves to golf fans, whereas Cantland Xander tend to get the reputation of, uh, not performing the best in those scenarios. Xander a bit unfairly, if I may say, but today, we got to talk about Xander today. We will know on factor. We'll get there. We'll get there. But I don't know. I maybe it is just the, the, the putting struggle or, or, or, uh, whatever it is. But I, I love rooting for Will. I find, uh, I had a great, we had a great podcast with him and I've enjoyed all the media he's done over the years and just seems like an easy guy to root for.
Starting point is 00:17:45 Mr. Big, I haven't played golf with you in a while, but last I heard you were maybe thinking about yourself about going to the long putter. I don't know if the broomstick is anything, but tell me a little bit about what's it like to struggle in putting. Obviously you don't have quite these figure eight putting stroke that will did, but I'm curious as to what is the state of your putting and what do you see when you look at will in terms of inspiration? What is the state of your putting and what do you see when you look at will in terms of inspiration? I
Starting point is 00:18:13 See in terms of inspiration. I see the ability to try new things. I think that is something that's Not easy for everybody to do right I think for myself it really clicked for me talking to our guy Stuart Haggastad at the Walker cup last year And he's he's a fellow slenderman a tall guy such as myself and the one comment that he made specifically that was just a total I Don't know it just like unlocked something in my brain was The broomstick putter the long putter He said has made the game so much more enjoyable. And he said, part of that was like, I always hated practicing putting because you spend
Starting point is 00:18:51 so much time in this just hunched over bent over stance that hurts your back. He's like, with a broomstick, I'm more upright. The tension's off my back. He's like, it's a joy to just go out and practice putting, you know, for however long. And I think you start to build like that, hey, this is fun again. I enjoy doing that. That carries over onto the golf course. And it's just like, yeah, every time like I'm standing on a putting green like hunched, I'm like, this is just a very inherently uncomfortable position for me to be in. And there's strain on my back. So the broomstick, I want to go to the broomstick.
Starting point is 00:19:28 I want to give it a try. I don't know if it'll make my putting any better. I feel like my putter's gotten better just going to the claw. Like, the yips are pretty much gone. I'm not like a great putter by any means. But it's good to see it working for Will. And he looks comfortable, you know that a couple times the commenters We're saying, you know that ball kind of comes off the toe
Starting point is 00:19:49 But you see the mark on the ball and it's in its rolling end over end pretty well. So Yeah, I'm hopeful he's found something that works for him Randy you said that about you know enjoying the game more with the broomstick putter And I got to say I feel the exact same way about the driver. And this is the time when I let you know that this episode is brought to you by our friends at tidalist and the most played driver model on the PGA tour. The TSR, it has been in our bags for over a year now. I think it's safe to say we have seen a hugely positive impact on our games off the tee. First and foremost, if you want, if you're in the market for a new driver, go get fit. I was a scratch golfer that was not playing the right right driver
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Starting point is 00:21:36 people, it's not like will has like a really dynamic personality, but like, why is some watching some people fun to play golf and some people not, even though like the proximity they hit at the hole might be similar or even like I do not want to have fun watching Patrick can't play golf. But I have fun watching wheels out towards play golf and I couldn't tell you the difference other than it's just like the eye test is just inherent to one of them sort of is, I find enjoyable. I think if you don't say dumb things off the course, you raise your profile tremendously, right? I mean, people think, I mean, Cantley has, you know, said some things and doesn't know it's, it's so much of it too is just the demeanor you carry yourself in, right? If you just are mopey and kind of no energy, like you're just not going to
Starting point is 00:22:20 inspire a lot of people yet when wills got it going, he's got a little bouncing a step, got a little Rory in his step when he gets going from hole to hole. And that drives so much of it. I mean, people don't like JT for a lot of reasons, but one of which is just like, you can get kind of mopey when things don't go his way. And, you know, everything is always, oh, well, it was me when it's not going perfect. And we don't really see that very much out of Will. And I think that drives so much of what just kind of not without people thinking about it, that drives so much of what, uh, just kind of not without people thinking about it, that drives so much of how you end up rooting for or against someone's
Starting point is 00:22:48 just their mannerisms. So that's my guess. I will say, sorry, it's fun to watch Phil Mickelson play golf and he said a lot of dumb shit off the course. So how good are his mannerisms? That's the best point. He's the best case for all of that. I mean, thumbs up in everyone, just wearing emotions on his sleeve and he's never mopey out on a golf course. It's interesting KVV. I think it is the eye test. It's like going to look at a piece of art. Yeah. Yeah. What is it about something that, you know, the viewer attaches to and likes that they don't about another person. You know, I think it's a different thing in all of us. Rom, who I actually love like Rom's personality.
Starting point is 00:23:28 He's well spoken. I think he's a smart guy, but just watching him play golf, I've always had. I don't enjoy it. I don't really like his swing. It's very effortful. It's not like graceful and fluid and Rom Stinks. You've always said that. He's a fan.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Yeah, it's just, yeah, you compare it to other guys. Been out on that block for a while. And it's like, yeah've always said that. He's a fan. Yeah, it's just, yeah, you compare it to other guys. You've been out on that block for a while. And it's like, yeah, I like that. You know, it's like watching different jump shots, right? Why do I love watching certain people shoot a golf ball, or a basketball or, you know, baseball swings? I don't know what it is, but I do think there is something just inherent in all of us that attaches to certain people
Starting point is 00:24:02 for whatever reason. A question from TXBrewDude. do you think Zalatoris shakes his runner up demons at majors this year and wins one? I think there's a different question after this week than it was prior to this week because wins one. I could see him contending. I just don't know that I'm not quite ready to say. Getting over the leap.
Starting point is 00:24:22 I will say you, you look at the stroke scan side and know this is, this is your block, but it seems like the strokes gain each week with the putter getting better and better for him. It started out like a kind of a disaster and everyone's like, Whoa, it fixed it with the long butter, huh? And then gradually he's gotten better and better and better until like, I think he was gaining like two strokes on the greens this week. That's pretty fricking good. His total for the week, he gained 2.2 strokes, 15th in the field this week. That's pretty freaking good. His total for the week he gained 2.2 strokes 15th in the field this week. Listen, the dude get again, he's just one of the and data golf did a great
Starting point is 00:24:52 has a great graph that I tweeted the image out today was like who plays bet is like a, you know, the, the Y access is showing your play in major championships. The X axis is showing your play in regular tournaments and will jumps off the page as being like one of the best in the world and major championships and very normal and regular PGA tour events. Right? He's just like, he's kind of like a Brooks Kepke in that regard. Brooks. Um, mine, you know, he's missing five of the majors that Brooks has, of course, to this
Starting point is 00:25:21 point, but I think they're on the same, I think they're on the same play field. I don't know how anybody could call me biased about that. Save it. Uh, but I think they're on the same, I think they're on the same plate. I don't know how anyway, could call me biased about that. Say, but, uh, but like, you know, probably again, hate to do this to our guy, but max is probably on the other end of that scale. Right. And I think it's out. Tours has played in nine majors as a professional. He has finished runner up in a third of those three times. He's finished runner up once losing the playoff. Nobody beat him over 72 holes. The other time he thought he made the play at Brookline. I thought he made it too. And he finished runner up to Hedecki in 2021. Like those are his major. Like he could easily have three majors if the ball bounces a little bit different way. Top 10 and six of those
Starting point is 00:25:56 nine. And he has a runner up at the masters, T six, the masters T eight at the PGA runner up at the PGA T six at the PGA T six at the US open T two at the US open. So I'm going to say, I'll say it right now. I think Will wins a major this year. And this was not something I was willing to say before the season started, but I just think that there's, that's not a coincidence. That kind of a major record. And one little sign like this of playing, this is a major championship style golf course. Like it is. It's not, you know, major championship, you know, rough and some of the things that go into that, the setup for it, but, uh, that level of difficulty,
Starting point is 00:26:31 that golf course to elevate his play like that. I will say he wins a major this year. I just don't know. I guess he's only one, one PGA tour tournament, right? Am I reading that? Remember that, right? Like that's a compliment to him. Correct. It's a fake style of golf. I agree. I agree. Okay. Maybe it may have occurred on a green screen. I'll concede that. Remember that, right? Like that's a compliment. Correct. It's a fake style of golf. I agree. I agree. Okay. Maybe it may have occurred on a green screen. I'll conceive that. Uh, maybe it was on two part of TGL and I just didn't even know it.
Starting point is 00:26:53 I listen, but I will say, it doesn't like knowing how to win means something. Like, I guess. Like Tiger always talked about it. Like, oh, you got to put yourself in position to win and then like, figure out how to sort of get over the hump. And, and I guess what's holding me back on the Zaltorus winning a major conversation is I feel like, yes, it's totally true. Like he's been right there, but also like he didn't quite get it done in those instances.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Right. Like Matt Fitzpatrick hit an unbelievable shot into 18 and will didn't quite do it. And Justin Thomas made the fricking shot on, uh, on 17 at Southern Hills, like drove that green, put it in, made that birdie, you know, made an unbelievable shot into 18. I just feel like I don't want to know if that's like a learned behavior or whatnot. But I guess I'm just having a little bit of hard time believing that I could do it, who is only one one time on the PGA tour could get himself into position to win a major and feel like,
Starting point is 00:27:49 Oh, I'm just going to put the pedal down. Now I'm going to take over. Now I'm going to win. Having not done that a ton of times. Is that fair? So you know, you know who my aspirational comp is for Zalatoris? It's, it's not Kepke. Okay. But it's a guy that won three times, but one, a, one at Augusta and one at Oakmont. Hopefully later in life stuff is not a comp, but on hell Cabrera is somebody that, uh, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:18 Zalator's could have a career like that where, you know, honestly I can win in a, a, a masters at some point in the U S open, like he might not win that much week to week on tour. Um, what about Ratif Goosen? Yeah. Ratif Goosen. Yeah. Your point about learning to win is an interesting one because it's, it's an idea
Starting point is 00:28:40 that I really like. I'm just not sure what the quote unquote data would suggest. You know, I think it's one of those things that like it, it sounds good when you need to use it, but is it actually that important? I don't know the answer to that. Certainly it's something that people say in other sports. Oh, he's, he needs to learn how to win the big one. And maybe that's bullshit, but I may just want to throw it out there for discussion. Can I throw a little data at you on this? I just looked this up as we were talking, um, five times he has entered the final round of a tournament since he's made the PJ tour.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I eliminated cord fair this five times he's entered, uh, the final rounds in the top five, okay. And in those rounds, he has posted a plus 2.9 strokes gained, which is over one shot better than his normal strokes gain. So he has performed better in round fours that when he's been in the top five, then he has in, uh, in normal rounds of golf, right? So that's kind of data golf, of course, has a great pressure tool to, and you can filter it for top 10 rounds, top three rounds when he started to leave, whatever you want to filter it with.
Starting point is 00:29:40 One of the most recent one being, uh, absolutely stunting at the FedEx, St. Jude, uh, classic going two and a half shots over what he was expected to do on in route to hit his only win. Right. So, but us open was 1.6 better than expected that final round to get, get within one shot of Matt Fitzpatrick, PGA championship. He actually lost half a shot back to what he was expected. So that's the difference in winning one and not winning one. That's the only time though he has gone backwards.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Um, you know, it, when he's gotten into the top five, one and not winning one. That's the only time though, he has gone backwards, you know, when he's gotten into the top five, going into a final round. So it's not like he hasn't been able to close or just play well in the final rounds. It just, again, every time you go get into contention, you are, see, your, probability of winning is not good, right? And you just have to get yourself into contention a lot of times for it to actually happen.
Starting point is 00:30:22 And there's only one tiger, of course, that's the outlier at all. He, so he may be a killer. He just maybe hasn't killed yet. He's, it's premeditated to Tom Cruise is out there about to arrest him for killing when he hasn't, he doesn't till yet. We need some pre crime reports to come through. Uh, we'll give a huge shout to Luke list. Uh, had a fantastic tournament.
Starting point is 00:30:45 He had a tough back nine today. Boogie the 10th holds, Boogie the 12th holds, Boogie the 15th after making an eagle on the first birdie three birdie on three birdie on five birdie on seven. Looked like it was his tournament when he turned he had the 16 under Rory was in the booth at this time and said he needed to get it to 17 or 18 under. I believe is what he said. And of course, he deck he ended up winning it at 17 under. Um, so shot two over on the back nine, but man, that guy was in the depths of hell with putting.
Starting point is 00:31:11 He, I mean, if you go look at his data golf page, he is, I think the, the article I read, I don't know if he beat this last year, but he'd never finished better than like 150 second on tour and putting he had the Yips as of two years ago. He recorded like the fourth worst putting round ever recorded in the shot link era at the BMW championship in Delaware. I mean, he hadn't made a putt outside of two and a half feet or something that day. It was so bad. So incredibly.
Starting point is 00:31:35 There's always been an awesome ball striker just has not been able to putt number one in the field this week in putting. And, uh, I mean, he looked like the best player in the world in that front nine this morning. He was making everything. He looked at absolutely stuffing every iron shot. It did not last for him, but, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm very, very happy for him to get, dig his way out of the depths of hell when it comes to putting and can he give Scottie Schaeffler a putting, putting lesson at this point. Well, I, someone was saying in their slack that they could fix Scottie's putting.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Do you want to mention? Oh yeah, I think I could fix Scottie's putting and give me like, okay, I give someone was saying in their slack that they could fix, but Scott, he's putting, do you want to mention? I think I could fix Scott. He's putting and give me like, I give him one drill. And I think he would just, he's an incredible athlete and he just turns it like he gets, he gets so mental. And if you gave him like a free throw drill on the putting green, I think he'd be, could be the best part in the world. If I got five minutes with him.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Wow. I remember when Torino, you say that about tiger or Gary players say that I got to fix him in just one minute here. I completely fix it. Me and Tiger's like multiple vertebrae being fused. He hasn't talked about it yet. Like, you know, uh, well, I would love to see that. I mean, was it this week? I don't want to get to shuffle or maybe totally yet, but was it this week that Scotty threw a ball into the jungle there in a rage? Okay. I was unclear whether that was a flip or we're totally fine.
Starting point is 00:32:47 I don't know why you're bringing this up. This is fake news. Everything is fine on the putting front. We're not upset. We're not even worried about it. I'm not worried about it at all. I thought maybe that was one of those new AI generated things. Like please put me a picture of a very frustrated, uh, really good golfer
Starting point is 00:32:59 throwing a, throwing a ball into the woods in anger. But no, I'm glad to know that was real. We'll get, we'll get to Scotty here in a second. Can't lay. Very, very, Randy, why don't you go? I feel like you're, you're wound up and ready to go on Can't lay. No, can't lay done bothered me. I don't think as much as he bothers other people. Um, I TC. Yeah. TC shout out somewhere in Montana at the moment. Uh, I think can't listen going out 64, 65, I think Riviera is just too difficult of a golf course to keep that up over four days. I think kind of regressing shooting
Starting point is 00:33:35 72, 70 or 70, 72, whatever it was, essentially even par over his last 36 is not the most shocking thing. And it's not the most damning thing on this golf course to me I'm sure he feels like he let a golden opportunity slip which he did but I'm not going to kill him necessarily for it like I would if this was more of a driver wedge birdie fest But I don't know do you guys feel differently Randy? That's so well said it really is this is a dip No, seriously. This is a different golf tournament, right? It's, there's, you cannot just go like, you know, there's, there's, it's a slalom race.
Starting point is 00:34:11 You cannot just ski straight downhill for four days and you have to, just cause you avoided the barriers or whatever they call those damn things. Uh, the first two days does not mean that you're not going to hit the gates. Sure. It's not, doesn't mean you're not going to hit them on the, on the last two. So that's a, it's not a very fun take. It's not, it's way too reasonable, but, uh, I think you're not going to hit the gate. Sure. It doesn't mean you're not going to hit him on the last two. So that's not a very fun take. It's not, it's way too reasonable, but I think you're spot on there.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Well, I'm going to go with the other side. Sure. He sucked today. He sucked bad. Okay. Like there was no life at all. And I know he's not a very like animated person in general, but like we're just, you know, missing fairways right and left or hitting kind of indifferent chips.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Like there was no at all like energy or urgency or anything. Like the whole, I read the transcript yesterday and I talked about him and Xander are going to have a jolly old time because they're buds and they, they've played together so often and all this stuff. Like they, they're got energy in that group. Couldn't have been fricking worse. It was just absolutely painful to watch. And so I don't really, I would be more interested
Starting point is 00:35:06 in dragging him, I guess, if this was a major, but this is just still more of the same from him. Like it's a prime opportunity for you to basically, I was like, man, like it'll be neat actually if Patrick Haley wins by like eight, because then we have the sort of like a little bit of a villain back. Then we have the sort of the person
Starting point is 00:35:22 who some people like to annoy. And he just shrunk from the moment. It just absolutely went completely backwards. It sucked and he sucked and they were a group of half behind for much of the day. So I don't care about this timed par bullshit that I hear about all the time. So that sucked. They had caught up by the time they got to nine. By the time they got to nine fairway, they were back in position. They were out of position. Was there any reason why they could possibly be so far behind Trevor? Yeah. Because freaking Kelly slow as shit. It was also Salators and Lyt and Luke less were making everything they looked
Starting point is 00:35:56 out while, while Cantley and Xander were sucking ass in the final group and they caught up. So the slow play Twitter, calm down. Everybody calm down. The broadcast ended like they finished in like three and a half hours today. Right? I mean, everybody calm down on that part. I won't disagree with you also on the, him absolutely sucking today. Cause he shot one and a half shots over the field average today, which was not good. Not good. If you want to win golf tournaments and he did not look like he, I mean, I don't mean this literally, but did not look like he had any interest in winning that golf tournament today.
Starting point is 00:36:23 Hey, look, I get maybe not having a great front nine or whatever. You don't come out with like, but there was a time when he needed to get his ass in gear and like go out of pen or do something like he just was completely seemed like he just didn't care at all. And that's what's frustrating about him. That's why it's not as fun to watch him is because he either around like that looks kind of similar to the good rounds. It's just like, and other than the good golf shots, like he's just kind of like, you know, moping his way through things. Like maybe
Starting point is 00:36:52 that's the way he plays. Great. I get it. But it's, it's not for me, man. It's not my tempo. I think it, we got to at least go back to, he also sucked Saturday, right? He was not the same golfer on, on the weekend as he was those first two days. And again, back to like the mannerisms conversation, right? I mean, Canley is not going to appeal to anyone with the way he carries himself on a golf course, right? I do. I know I bring this up a lot, but I do always fall back on when we interviewed him like in 2020, I think it was. He was actually really insightful, really interesting, you know, before he kind of became this, whatever he's become here the last couple of
Starting point is 00:37:27 years. And I always think about this whenever I have a tournament coming up, the way he approaches golf tournaments, he says, when I put the T in the ground on Thursday, when it starts, everything is done. Like the, all the work, everything that happens from Thursday to Sunday is a reflection of the work I've put in. Like it's all kind of written in the stars, right? And I think that can be really a really good release of like, don't put too much pressure on yourself, don't get too high with the highs, don't get too low with the lows, like everything that happens now is all based on what you've done prior to
Starting point is 00:37:56 this moment rather than like tensing up over important shots or things like that. So I wonder if that leads a little bit of that to, you know, a mopey Sunday afternoon was just like, yeah, everything's been determined for me. And, uh, you know, again, that's not going to be that appealing to people, but I always, I think that's a good, a decent tournament mindset, even if it's not going to be the most fun to watch. Cody. Yeah. The one thing that I want to add here, KVV, I'm actually echoing a lot of your sentiment here, but can't leave is also sick of shit. Right. So I don't know if he talked about it yesterday or today, but these guys, something happened to him. I don't know. It's spread around the entire event, just like
Starting point is 00:38:28 speed, just like big cat, you know, tiger out there struggling. I guess he had a hundred degree or higher temperature today. So that's kind of why he didn't have it. But usually you should have stayed out there and been one of these, you know, apologize KVB. Wow. I don't apologize for escaping the influenza wave. But then evidently 1918 flu has broken out here at the Genesis. Oh, I don't know. I just, you know what? I will say, I had a lot of fun watching Cantley and that Bryson dual, the BMW. I was one of the last events that I covered for you, Spana think. And that was like a, that was really like throwing haymakers. I was like, man, this Patrick can't lay dude, like he is standing toe to toe with
Starting point is 00:39:13 Bryson who's hitting it 40 yards by him. And he's totally unfazed and he's making all these putts from everywhere. That's the guy that I wanted and thought he was going to be. And he's just sort of been like not a killer since. So that's what's frustrating. I mean, look, if you're sick, I get it. It's whatever caterer they had bring in or whatever they were holding hands and in prayer group or whatever that was going around. I can't control that. But man, it just was a bummer because I was psyched today to see an actual like something
Starting point is 00:39:44 from him. You were psyched to see something from himmer because I was psyched today to see an actual like something from him. You were psyched to see something from him? Like, is it anything? Yeah, I was. I really was. I was like, you know what? I want to see Patrick Cant like dominate an event when I obviously the lead slipped away. This was a little bit like on Saturday feeling of like, if he's at, you know, if he's up by four, I want to see him just like pull away and be like that prick who's like, yeah, guess what? Like I, I just dominated the signature event. And I know a lot of people don't like me, but I kind of like that. The most interesting he's ever been was at the Ryder Cup when he could feel the negative energy from us.
Starting point is 00:40:14 It's like what Patrick Reed used to do. It's to feed off of that. So that's what I wanted to see. And it just went the opposite direction. That's really interesting because I think as much as Patrick Cantlay would make a great heel in the game of golf and for a lot of reasons I think people think of him that way. There's something about him. I don't think he's built for it.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Like he doesn't have that to me at least and I don't know the guy from you know, John Doe, but it just seems like to me, he's a he's almost too thoughtful, too smart to just fully lean into like, yeah, everybody hates me. I don't care. I just don't think he has that in him. The Ryder Cup is an interesting example. It was much more of a us versus them, you know, a way playing in front of European fans. Um, but I, but I really struggle with him. I don't know. KVV. I just don't think he has that mindset or that doesn't give a fuck to, to him, to, to
Starting point is 00:41:19 truly allow him to be a heel on the PGA tour. I just think what Sally's talking about, about like the work is done, the temperament, like this is how everything is going to play out. It's, it's to me, it's like watching a baseball team that's like super into Supermetrics. Man, like, oh yeah, like I'm just going to take a walk here because that's what the percentage is saying. Like, okay, I get why like that's your approach and that you can tell me that that is the best way to win tournaments and he's won several of them,
Starting point is 00:41:47 but it doesn't have any of the entertainment product that I think that golf actually needs. And that's where Patrick can't really loses me. It's like, I want to feel like I care when we're another. I want you swinging at a high fastball sometimes because you've got to make something happen. And that's where I feel like it just, he loses me. That's, that's very fair. I don't know if I would use that. A walk's almost always a good result.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I don't know if I would have used that. I understand. I listened. I saw your research for that one. I'm waiting into your territory and also stroke scane and the same metric stuff. I'm on thin ice here. I get it, but how much vertical lift
Starting point is 00:42:21 are we talking on this fastball that you wanted to swing at? This exit velocity. Get that spin rate up. Let me ask you guys this. Were you more disappointed? I guess today were you more disappointed in Cantley or Shafley? Cause I'm almost more disappointed in Xander. Why is that? Well, he, for as bad as Cantley came out, I mean, he still made nine pars on the front and he beat Xander by one shot. Like, like Xander truly was never a factor. I believe I think when he made that in this tournament today, 11, he was briefly like a factor. But then what happens right after that? Three in a row after that.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Yeah. He just, to me, he's the guy that it's like, and then, you know, he kind of cleans it up at the end and he's going to get a T four out of it. And, you know, a year from now, we'll be like, damn, he, you know, that was great. He finished T four at Riviera last year. But to me, he is just, he disappoints me more than can't lay because I think Xander is just as talented. I trust Patrick more than I do Xander is just as talented. I trust Patrick more than I do Xander in big spots and big tournaments. I don't know. Like Xander to me is the poster
Starting point is 00:43:31 child of like, dude, this guy ain't it for like all the physical gifts for all the talent. I will never back him in a big spot. I don't know. You can say that when Xander's major, I feel like we do this all the time. Xander's major championship record blows, can't lays out of the water. I mean, Xander's got six top five finishes in major championships. Right. Like he at least, I feel like if you're going to be upset about, can't like about Xander finishing T four, like how mad are you about Rory
Starting point is 00:44:00 finishing T 24? Right. You're probably more mad about Xander than you are about Rory. And I don't know if that's right. I am more mad about it. Well, just cause I think Xander has more to prove week to week maybe. Okay. It's a good point. He has better finishes and majors, but there's just something where it's like, dude, I just keep waiting for this big breakthrough. And it's seemingly he just is never going to be the guy that I
Starting point is 00:44:25 feel like everybody has wanted him to be or touted him to be. I like Xander swing more than I like can't lay. So I like watching him more. I actually think in my brief conversations with the two of them, I find Xander to be more interesting. I talked to him a little bit for a pod that's going to come out later. And he was quite compelling and sort of like funny. And I just don't, Patrick is really smart and he has like thoughtful takes on things, but he just, he doesn't ever give them up to I look,
Starting point is 00:44:55 Xander showed a like, I think a lot of promise. Like he could have won that masters that the tiger won, right? That was probably the best, the closest he's had to winning a major. He's, he's been a contender to gust a few times. I guess I just, I, I've never had the expectation for, can't lay in a major that he was actually going to win just because I don't believe it. And I do feel a little bit like Xander should win. So I guess I'm more disappointed in Xander when he doesn't, uh, when, and this to me,
Starting point is 00:45:23 like if I'm going to think of one tournament where it's like, you know, major adjacent, it's going to be the RIV for whatever reason. And so that's why I guess I get your take big about like Xander being like, I do feel a little bit of disappointment in this. This week I want him to show us something. How long has it been since Xander won a tournament? It's all you, that's been what three, four years. I know we did this a little bit ago when I think I was off the last time, but
Starting point is 00:45:45 it's been a while. He said one win in five years. He won the Genesis, the Scottish open in 2022. He won the travelers in 2022. You know, you got, you got two wins. He's got as many wins and five years. He's got as many wins as speed does in the last six years. Uh, no, he also want me one, the Zurich, which doesn't count, of course,
Starting point is 00:46:02 but turn, tournament champions. Uh, he won. He won the HSBC won the tour championship in the Greenberg. He's got seven tour wins since 2017. Okay. Um, withdrawn. And I would say he, he should have, he could have easily won the masters that Hedekki won 2021, the triple on 16. That was, that was the one that, six out the most. But again, another guy that just, I don't think a lot of people feel a lot of motion when he plays golf. Um, I think the next guy, which we're going to get to on the other side of this one, uh, I think some guys, people do feel a little bit of emotion. I don't know what it is. Uh, maybe some indifference, but, uh, I'm going to get to that. But you listen big, I got to call you out for this one for being an influencer on this. Okay.
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Starting point is 00:47:53 for the golf season with rowback guys. You're never going to guess where Scotty Scheffler finished in strokes game T to green this week and where he finished in putting. Did he finish first in strokes game T to green and second to last and putting or third really close. Second T to green dead last and putting dead fucking last. We do a segment every single week. It's somehow it keeps repeating. It's fine. The putting is fine. It's all it's a new slant, but this, this has to be it dead last signature event. This has to be it for a blade putter with this a conventional grip. Something has to change in the very next start, right? It
Starting point is 00:48:31 has to be a mallet has to be a claw has to be a brooms has to be something different than what we just saw. It cannot he cannot do is he doesn't want to do that because then it will feel like he's panicking. Like I think that's part of it that he's like, Oh, it's it's long as he can live in denial that he's like, Oh, it's, it's long as he can live in denial that he's like, it's, it'll be fine. It'll come back one day and everything will be fine. Totally. I, I, in that nut, but he's done it at the highest level. He's done it.
Starting point is 00:48:56 He's done it with a, he was not 2022. He was an awesome putter. He was incredible putter. He was so good. He won so much in this time of the year. And he made like every eight footer he looked at and he looked truly unbeatable. And something went away and dude, I mean, like his putt on the 18th hole, I mean, it wasn't a kid. It was very far from a give me. It was a, I know, of course, he stuffed it in there on 18 and he had 10 feet, six inches. I mean, the, I mean, I never had a chance. It missed like a foot low from 10 feet, like wrong speed, wrong line. I mean, I never had a chance. It missed like a foot low from 10 feet like wrong speed, wrong line. I mean, we're not talking about somebody that's burning edges
Starting point is 00:49:30 anymore. It is. And that's where I said I truly think I could fix him. My favorite. I truly believe if he did this drill, it would fix him my favorite drill when I when I suck at putting I what I do is I'll put a T and it depends on how far away from the hole I get, but I'll put a T maybe like that far outside the hole on the left and that far outside the hole on the right. And all I'll do, I don't care how far past it goes past the hole it goes. I will just do a drill to kid as many putts through that window through that gate as I can. And as I go farther along, I'll dial it back to that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Now my rule, I can't go more than three feet past the hole, right? And do like, don't worry about if it goes in, but just hit putts at the hole with make speed instead of like trying to dime over the very front edge of the cup. He's just guessing on speed and line. It's a guess. He's not like actually trying to make them because he fears to come back or too badly. Like, yeah, he's not, it's not close. And I've been joking that, you know, I'm not losing faith in it. Like it's a bit at this point. I get the faith is gone. I get it is not close to, it's not close to flipping at any point. I'm finally willing to go out on this after 25 straight tournaments like this.
Starting point is 00:50:34 But he's just not an athlete when he goes to putt anymore and something badly needs to change. Do you think he will? I am very, I think he won't. I think he's just going to keep like, he's going to be the new Hadecki literally where it's five years of like just, he just to me, he seems like very much like, if I just stay grounded in my faith, if I stay like committed to my thing, it'll all work out.
Starting point is 00:50:56 Everything will be fine. And I'm just like, yo dude, like a claw would be great. I don't think even the mallet, I mean, it's funny to hear Rory say he should probably go to a mallet in the booth. Uh, that's usually kind of a thing. Like you don't talk about other top players like shit. You leave that stuff alone But if it's that drastic where even Rory's like, yeah, dude Like I mean other players have tried like Jordan Spieth putted with a mallet for a you know a couple tournaments He said it just helped him Reset and get back to like I could see my lines again better
Starting point is 00:51:24 And I held that bench that old putter and make it feel like he's tried other putters, but might be trying to just try to hold different kind of feel. Yeah. New, new feel, new look. I will, maybe he will make a change next week. If he is stubbornly refusing to make a change and still putting poorly, I like if he is stubbornly refusing to make a change and still putting poorly, I cannot fathom why or what the motivation would be for that. I do not understand that psychology. When is it Brad Faxon time? By the way, like where Brad, where are you at? We need you. Like we need you involved here. Right. I mean, I want to see Scotty dominate. I know a lot of people don't feel that way. I want to see, I mean, this, the way he's hitting the ball is so outrageous. I want
Starting point is 00:52:09 people to appreciate that. Like we're watching greatness for like 80% of the game and he just can't handle the final 20%. And I, I don't know, man, it's, it's fascinating. It really is. But I want to see somebody go win a lot. And like he's the guy that's going to win a lot if somebody is going to do it a lot. So I don't know. I wanted to see, I want to see it before the majors. Like that's, this is when you got to give it a try because you can't be like rolling up to the putting green at Augusta like he was last year and spending five hours there and like getting a little bit angry when, you know, David Hack asked about it or whatever. It's not a problem. It's no big deal.
Starting point is 00:52:47 And like, no dude, it's, we've seen a year of this now. I'll say that the, um, the visible frustration was that was the most I've ever seen, right? Of him just like flinging putters. He flung a putter on Saturday through a ball into the woods. Like the anguish is like, he's wearing it now. Like I think he's, he's got to walk off this week and say something's got to change. So we'll see if it actually does. It's really, I saw, you know, doing these deep dive historical things, you learn like how much like things continue to echo throughout
Starting point is 00:53:13 like time in history. Like Tom Watson struggled so much with his putting, like as he got into his late twenties and thirties, he was essentially Scott, he was hitting the ball incredibly well and he just could not putt. And it's like he, he never really figured it out in the same way that he was before, but it's just like something happened to him when he was like young and free and loose and wasn't thinking about all his comebacks. And then all of a sudden something crept into his brain and he just,
Starting point is 00:53:39 he spent years being tormented by it. It's going to be, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. An MC Hammer for, uh, for JT this week, he's been playing some good golf. So I don't, I don't know if it's, it's time to necessarily, uh, hammer him for that. But disappointing in the, in the, he's been playing the mule events really well. So disappointing at the signature event on a, on a very real golf course for the performance he turned in and then T24 for Rory,
Starting point is 00:54:07 I thought was decently noteworthy of, you know, he won over in Dubai and a runner up over in Dubai to start the year and then comes over and does get T66 at Pebble, which is like an MC at a, you know, a signature event in T24 this week is, is not the start we were looking for, uh, for Rory out of this year. But, um, I'm wondering if you did win the pro am at it, pebble, just to be clear, you know, he brought a sandbagger and, and won the pro, even though he shot like plus one or something. Like what, what is the sandbagging situation?
Starting point is 00:54:36 That was my God. Listen, I mean, some of the ham and egg might worked out really well. Who knows? Maybe you never know, but, um, just some sloppy stuff from him. I mean, he had a, you know, had it going decent. It was 300 through 10 holes on, uh, on Thursday, but made a double and triple back to back on 15 and 16 as weak. Looks a little different if he doesn't do that, but I do wonder if you can kind
Starting point is 00:54:57 of view this whole run up for Rory, this whole plan for Rory. I'm just like, yeah, I'm going to play a bunch before the masters. And you know, if he sucks leading all the way up and wins the masters, none of this matters, of course. And maybe he's treating and you know, it, if he sucks, leading all the way up and wins the masters, none of this matters. Of course. And maybe he's treating this as like, dude, none of this matters. I've put too much emphasis on these tournaments and I've not been the most ready for Augusta leading up.
Starting point is 00:55:14 I don't know. That's reaching for something there other than, uh, you know, he's taking a different approach this year. Of course it takes different approach every year leading up to the masters, but we'd obviously like to see him play in some better golf, but that is not here yet as of February, uh, 18th as we record this. I think that's a fair thing to say though. So I think he's like trying to just keep it all even keel, like not get too
Starting point is 00:55:35 worked up, not to get too stressed. I mean, he was, I talked to him a little bit this week and seem to be feeling, you know, fairly good. Like his game wasn't in great shape, but it wasn't in bad shape. And he means his close. He's driving it pretty darn well. I think he led the field and started getting off the tee for most of the tournament anyway. I don't know if it slipped at the end, but he just needs to kind of tighten up the
Starting point is 00:55:55 irons a little bit and stop making some dumb mistakes. I mean, I think in some of those things where what he lacks is patience sometimes sometimes where he's like, oh, shit, I'm in a tough spot. Ah, you know what? Let me try to rip this like four iron over the top of this tree. Oh, shit. Like I just made triple. Well, that's not great. Damn.
Starting point is 00:56:15 Like, uh, well, you know, and I think he's a little bit more, he certainly developed a lot more patience in majors over the years where he's like, I know I don't have to, you know, try to throw this ball way up. I can just take Bogey here. I can kind of move along and that's helped him become a lot better, you know, major player overall instead of he doesn't have the sort of variants. But I think he kind of gets a little bit bored to be honest in some of these tournaments is like, ah, you know what, let's just go for this. Cause why not? Doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:56:42 Uh, I think it is the reason I thought I wanted to at least pause this for a second is RIV is a good. I mean, it's a couple of months away. The master is a couple of months away. Lock obviously lock can change between now and then, but it's a decent course comparable in terms of like the patients that's required and the precision that's required on these approach shots to get in the right tiers to missing the right spots, you know, to use the proper contouring, to not leave yourself an impossible up and down, you know, not a heavy rough, not being a big factor on this course. And, you know, again, if you, if you looked at, uh, like the course history tool on data golf Riviera, like it's third most similar score is Augusta, right? Like it's, it's very similar kind of style of test.
Starting point is 00:57:19 And so you want to see him go through like the double black diamond technical skiing and, and, and kind of give us a tease that he's going to be able to do that in a couple of months. And that didn't happen this week. That's just, I think that's, that's not nothing is this was real, real golf this week. And, uh, you know, that's what, that's what makes the Zalatoris thing super interesting to me. But we'll see in a couple of months. He had such a weird day one that I felt like just kind of put a fog over the rest of the event for him. I mean, what was it? He doubled 15 tripled 16 and then I know he birdied 17
Starting point is 00:57:55 and then bogeyed 18. It's like, dude, what are like, what are we doing? You, you, it's that a pebble. You can be patient. What's that? He did that a pebble. I mean, he had to five under at spy and then just, just let himself on fire on the back nine of that opening around. Yeah. I guess just here, it's like, dude, you're too good to without hazards in play, right? Like that's the thing. Like I understand like, Oh, you caught the water going for a shot or
Starting point is 00:58:19 whatever. But to go double triple without any penalty shots on back to back holes It's just like dude, you're too good to do that It's just a little bit unbecoming which is a shame because then he's like he's out of it the rest of the week He did say he was working with Bannon a little bit this week to sort of get his game tight And so, you know kind of in a little bit of a transition thing Maybe just working on easy doesn't usually he's not one to usually bring the coach out and work with them like while he's in on tour. So, you know, maybe just getting the things a little bit tightened up and just figuring out the feels.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Oh, Kat, LT gray, El Gato, I should say. Of course, tournament host this week, Carter to 72 in the opening round, pretty meh round cat highlighted by a cold, cold shank where he presented Hazel. thanks to it. Thanks to a presented. What was that a hollow verse? Back was my back been been spazzing for like three holes and I was just over the ball and presented Hossel first and that's what you know that's what happens. Hey, is a shake.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Oh, I shake it. It's trying to shake. Yeah. had hothel first and that's what, you know, that's what it's like. Oh, I shake it. It's trying. Yeah. Definitely. He gave us a vintage tiger after a bad shot on Thursday. And it made me so happy.
Starting point is 00:59:35 It was good to have the cat back for as long as we did. He withdrew with the 1918 flu or influenza as he called it. Great anti-faulto tweet of, it's not like Woodrow Wilson addressing the nation on his health or something like that, but had the shits it looked like. And we threw after six or set on the 70 on, uh, on Friday, which can't have those Sunday red pants getting Sunday brown. So it was going to be a tough scene. This is fancy cashmere pants that he was rolling out. That's tough.
Starting point is 01:00:08 That's fun. Feel good. What bad luck? Can we just like if he really got the flu, I guess we're buying that, right? Do we buy? You got I guess we have to, right? I think with other people getting sick, like if with family being sick,
Starting point is 01:00:20 it's being sick. It seems like what is what is it was going around? Sports world in particular, but the human natural thing when somebody says they're sick, people just don't believe it. Like no matter what people just don't believe it. I guess it's just that. No, I think people rightly distrust Tiger in his camp. That's fair. But almost always for that. Almost always. Yeah. If I'm sick, it's like, I feel like he's out. He's out sick. He's out sick today. Can't come into work. Yeah. Everybody always, always assume people are faking it. I have a tendency to get overly descriptive when I'm sick. Like, dude, I got the,
Starting point is 01:00:50 like you would not see me at the course. I got the runs today. It'd be like, dude, I don't need to know that, but I'm not, I'm not faking it. I'm not faking it. That's fair. The Tigers camp has given, given plenty of reason to not trust it. But I mean, just what, like what bad luck for there to be a bug going around, you know, like that. It was weird too. I mean, I was flying.
Starting point is 01:01:11 I had left, uh, you know, Friday, mid afternoon, so I didn't get to see the ambulance rolling up. Uh, that was a weird scene where I, you know, you didn't know, like, was he really sick? Was he like having, you know, chest pains or something? Like why isn't any ambulance rolling up to rib? They wouldn't let any of the media in the clubhouse or like holding it off. It's like, it just, it seemed like a very weird situation. It was a paramedic truck.
Starting point is 01:01:35 Excuse me, paramedic truck. The official, uh, yeah. The official name of it. That was, that was a weird scene. And until like they came out with the whole you know sick thing I think my honestly my worry was like oh shit like is he having some sort of Like heart trouble or something, you know, like why is an ambulance showing up here and he's you know Who knows like his it just
Starting point is 01:02:00 It was weird and I'm glad that it wasn't a big deal, hopefully. And, but I get your, I do think so. Like people say that a lot all the time. Like, Oh, dude, it's definitely faking it. No one gives a shit that the us team didn't was had a bug. Like no, there's faking it. Oh, sure. There's an excuse and other soft. Yeah. How, how, how, tell me this guys, how, how was it fire truck number 69 that pulled up? How is that possible? You know, every now and again, there's things that happen that just tell me there is a higher
Starting point is 01:02:34 power. Somebody looking down, laughing at all the, you know, frivolous stuff going on. Like there's no chance it was number 69. There's no, there's's no chance it was number 69. There's no, there's zero chance that it was number 69. So to give me serious about Tiger, like he looked fine. He didn't look incredible in any sort of sense. He's got to probably play somewhere else, right? Before the masters. Does he play the players?
Starting point is 01:03:02 He's still in the players. I had a big discussion with this. We're playing once a month. I think he's got two too. He said I'm playing once a month and this was not a leg or back pullout. I know his back was spasming, but like this does not seem to be the same. You know, I need to be up on ice for a week after I play four days of golf. Like he's got to play the players. If he, there's no point in playing the masters. If you're not going to come in with some kind of reps leading up into it, right? And I know you're obviously praying for a ridiculous miracle at this point, but yeah, you got to come play the players. It's a decent fit for you at this stage
Starting point is 01:03:34 of your career. It's a flat golf course. It's not going to be crazy hot. It's not, probably not a ton of elements. I mean, sometimes in March it is, but Bay Hill, I think it'd be disaster with the thick rough. Like that would be do not do that. Narrow fairways. Val's bar, maybe. False. I'd be surprised if he skipped play. Like, I think he'd rather have it farther out than the masters than Val's bar. Like he a little bit more. I know I just said he doesn't need the same rest, but I'm sure he probably looks at it like he would, you know, an extra week is better than not having it.
Starting point is 01:04:05 But I would know, no, no, no, tell it all. I'm guessing he plays the Masters. I will predict that he plays, sorry, the players. I bet he plays my wish for him, whether it was the players or the Masters is that he would just basically play like nine whole practice rounds. Like he doesn't need to know more about Augusta. There isn't anything there. I think he's going to learn. And it just whatever like exhaustion that he might be able to know more about Augusta. There isn't anything there that he's going to learn. And it just whatever like exhaustion that he might be able to save himself from,
Starting point is 01:04:29 just play nine holes like on Wednesday or just chip and putt, like play in the par three with Charlie, do whatever, but don't like go out there and be like, all right, I got to play team. I got to play team tomorrow. You know, who knows with him got to get a full, you know, work out in the gym, getting on, see if I can, you know, get a PR on the bench, like whoever, like he just needs to chill in some of those situations. And if he wants to have any chance, like I don't know, I've been a cynic and a skeptic about whether he has any chance to win another major for a while.
Starting point is 01:04:57 And I probably should sort of stay on that path, but just to be consistent. But if he is going to have a chance of doing it, I think he really needs to stop like being a hard-o in some of these tournaments and like just kind of save himself for the actual tournament. Um, does anyone want to be public defender on this next bit as we get into, uh, what happened with, uh, archived Jordan Spieth on Friday afternoon? I have a feeling we're all going to be on the same side of this. I don't correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I can play devil's advocate.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Okay. I could fake it, but I don't believe it. I got a lot of knuckleheads in my mentions this week about it. So Jordan Spieth was disqualified from the tournament on Friday afternoon after signing an incorrect scorecard. I think there's two conversations here. And some people are conflating them. Some people don't think it is the same conversation, but I think there's two conversations here and some people are conflating them. Some people don't think it is the same conversation, but I think there's two conversations here. There's a lot of people out there claiming that you shouldn't have to sign your own card.
Starting point is 01:05:50 You shouldn't. It's a, it's a, you know, silly process in 2024. Players shouldn't be responsible for this. That's one. And two is a disqualification too strong of a penalty for signing an incorrect scorecard is, is, uh, you know, question number two. So starting with one, is this an antiquated rule? Should players have to sign a scorecard, uh, and add up their tally and report to it to a scoring tent, uh, after a round of play on the PGA tour at the highest level. Look, all right.
Starting point is 01:06:17 So I got worked up about this. I know you got worked up about this. Ellie, my feeling very much, I just, I just, people like go, this is a strange hill to die on. Like, no, this is a simple take. Tell him I wasn't, tell him I wasn't worked up. This is a simple take here. Don't put in the paper that I was mad. I got a little worked up because I think it's a basic like honor thing. Like it should be that you are a testing to your
Starting point is 01:06:42 own score. That's a big part of golf. That to me kind of matters. And I like that it is, I like teaching my kid about that this is an essential part of this is like a really good teaching opportunity for like, when you're trying to teach your kid to play golf, be like, yo, you have to make sure that you sign for the right score. That's a super important part of it. That way the rules are the same all throughout top to bottom.
Starting point is 01:07:05 To be honest, I think that most of the people who are bitching are just gambling dorks. They are so mad that they were had speed for a top 10 or top 20 this week and that they didn't get to have that. There's this stuff about, oh, you know, it's an entertainment product. We have all these people to sort of, you know, keep the score anyway. Where do we draw that line? Like do you have, you don't have shot link cameras in the US open, you know, keep the score anyway. Where do we draw that line? Like do you have, you don't have shot link cameras in the US open, you know, qualifying rounds.
Starting point is 01:07:29 You don't have them in Monday qualifiers. You don't have them in 98% of college golf. So where do we say that like, okay, it's okay for you to test your score here. But if you fuck up when you're a pro, then that's, you know, that's totally fine because we'll save your ass. Like it's, it just, it made me laugh that some of the biggest
Starting point is 01:07:46 like libertarian individual rights people were like, wait, wait, wait, I need to be saved from them. I need someone to help me out in the air because I can't possibly attest to my own score here. No, you fucking can because that's what we do every single time we play golf in a serious keeping score kind of way is make sure that you actually scored what it says on the card
Starting point is 01:08:06 The the the public the the public would like to say Kevin where do we draw that line? We draw it at the pga tour. I think it's very dumb for us to be relying on A player having to properly keep his scorecard and the punishment being a disqualification. We'll get to that one Everybody that one. Everybody, everybody's score is being kept by volunteers, an army of paying volunteers all around the golf course. We know what these guys volunteers more than you ready. We know exactly what shots they fit. We have the shot link data for every shot to to boil it down to You know, Jordan Spieth needing to turn in a correct scorecard is kind of dumb at an event like this You know, I think an analogy is you grow up
Starting point is 01:08:56 In playing youth basketball and everybody knows the home team is responsible for keeping the scorebook, right? And and that continues well, guess what? When you get to the NBA, you have an official there whose sole purpose is to keep the score, keep the official book for both teams. It is not still the onus of the home team to keep the official book. At just a certain point, it's like, I understand it's a great part of the game of golf
Starting point is 01:09:21 and it's a wonderful thing to teach your daughter and everybody should, you know, attest to their score because for 99. the game of golf and it's a wonderful thing to teach your daughter and everybody should you know a tester their score because for 99.999% of golfers You need to keep your score in whatever competition you are you are participating in in a PGA tour event and a signature event at that It's dumb This how you actually feel or is this was that a public defender? I thought that was a pretty good public case I was like yeah, you have me convinced. How many, I'll challenge you with this. How many, how many balls are in play at a basketball game? A
Starting point is 01:09:50 high school basketball game, right? And the answer to that is one. I'll save you that. There's 80 balls in play at the same time for a signature event all over the place. Right. You go out on a walk, right? And sure, there's cameras that follow and they catch 90% plus of speeds golf swings, right? But I promise you every golf swing from Eric Cole was not watched by the same person all week long, watched by camera, you know, caught by cameras. And there are walking scores that come with them, but they are volunteers. And it's all to say like Eric Cole, when he finishes his round, he is not going to blindly trust
Starting point is 01:10:27 that, you know, let's say he had a rules incident, a scoring incident. He took a drop somewhere and those walking scores usually aren't going up to players and caddies mid round and asking them what they got on the whole. Was that a free drop? Whatever's going on? Like stuff usually does get recorded. Well, there are shot link errors or scoring errors all the time on all kinds of tours all over the place But at no matter how you think it should be done if you don't think players should write down all their numbers, whatever
Starting point is 01:10:50 No matter what at the end of the day Some the player is going to want to check what is getting recorded as their score No one knows it better than that player slash caddy what the score is right and the process is Very it's pretty easy, right? Like the competitor writes down all the numbers, the player writes down their own scores, they tear off the bottom of their card. And again, this is, this is common for people that play in tournaments, but if you don't, and don't understand this process works, you keep your own score on the bottom and there's a little tear off sheet on all PGA
Starting point is 01:11:19 tour cards, you tear it off and then you line it up with the, uh, with your whoever's scoring your card and you look at each hole. And if every hole is right, no matter what's written in the totals, you're fine, right? So you will sign the card once you line up all of those and then they'll check it with you. Like the, the scores will check it with you. Checked everything. Everything is right.
Starting point is 01:11:38 Jordan, did you shoot 68? Yes, I did. Boom. Done. Ready to leave scoring. There's safeguards in place here. So the mistake that was made here and I, this is from, uh, from sources close to the situation, Jordan came in after his round.
Starting point is 01:11:51 He was in a big hurry. If you couldn't tell, he's running up the stairs on Friday. He gets there before Tom Kim, who kept his card. Uh, he checks, he tears off his part of the card. He checks his numbers with the official score there, which matched up what was in the system was right Tom Kim came in with his card and Jordan signed the card without checking his tear-off card with what Tom Kim had written down and Left the scoring error area
Starting point is 01:12:19 That's a double like a double if he doesn't do both of those things this gets caught if he stays in the scoring area double like a double. If he doesn't do both of those things, this gets caught. If he stays in the scoring area, Tom Kim turns in the card, the official score that's checking it would say, Hey, discrepancy on number four, what's the right number here? They would have corrected it to three, sign an adjustment to the card. All good. Okay. By the time that they had caught the error, speed had left the scoring area, maybe because he had the shits, apparently, which was part of it. But Jordan should not have signed the card. There's not a hurry here.
Starting point is 01:12:45 There's no time limit on how long to sign your card. You need to go run to the bathroom and come back. You totally can. He made a fatal mistake. I'm sure he was probably mad in the moment and probably came to realize, yes, I had made the mistake that was totally my fault. He owned it on social media.
Starting point is 01:13:01 This is part of the process. It is, is the penalty harsh? Yes. I would say, I mean, it does seem like a two shot penalty would probably address this. And you know, he could probably play the weekend, which everyone involved in golf would have appreciated that. But, uh, there is a reason why there is that whole process. And it's the same would have been if there was a walking score, keeping all the scores, the dude that is responsible for it is going to want to check that if you've ever been to a tournament and you see who these walking scores are, my mom is a volunteer at some of these tournaments. I love my mother very much, but like it doesn't keep the score, but like the volunteers, they're trained up.
Starting point is 01:13:32 Sure. But like they are still volunteers. Like you want to know exactly what is getting reported as your score. And that's how golf works. I just, I, the, the, the public just feels between the player themselves, the volunteers, their competitors, like we know with the technology available, we can come to the absolute truth of what somebody's score should be. And so that it just seems silly that Jordan Spie stepped out of this designated scoring area, you know, I'm picturing like the scene in Field of Dreams, right?
Starting point is 01:14:05 Like he, Moonlight Graham crossed over this, this line and sorry, Jordan. Now you're disqualified because you happen to be in the locker room taking a shit. Probably like it just like, where do we draw the line where this is like, okay, that seems pretty arbitrary and silly. He was most likely still on premises. Like, can we not get this figured out? It just seems like in this day and age, it's a rule. I understand why it's a rule. I understand why it's a rule at every level of golf. It just for the PGA tour, being an
Starting point is 01:14:36 entertainment product, seems like we can maybe find a solution that's more workable. I just think people cared about it cause it was spieth. Like they didn't care about it when it was Kaimu Johnson, whatever, uh, earlier when the last year when he's gotten for an incorrect score card, like it just, it strikes me as like something we just have to, he was cheating KVV. I, how, we don't know that. I don't think we can say intent, like cheat, whatever.
Starting point is 01:15:02 Like he, he could have had a brain fart or whatever in the same sort of sense. But like the thing is I guaranteed Jordan was not trying to cheat, but how do we know? Like we can't prove intent on all any of these things. We can't be like, well, Jordan's a good guy. He would never do this. And suddenly, this person's a bad guy. They were trying to cheat to, to make the cut. That's why you have to get it right.
Starting point is 01:15:21 That's why you have to have someone attest to it. That's why you have to sign it. Those are all things. So like the consistency of it matters because we can't be like a sign. Oh, I don't know. Like, were you trying to make the cut or not? Like, I don't, that's those situations.
Starting point is 01:15:32 You take the, the emotion out of it. You say like, no, you either did or didn't make that score. I agree. The only thing that I'd add there to put a little sprinkle on top of it is once signed, scorecards are signed, that's the end of it. There's no more rules official getting involved and we can assess a two-stroke penalty later on the next day. As we've seen have happened on every single professional tour that you see. So if they can play it that way, they should be able to play it this way too.
Starting point is 01:15:58 Cause the committee, the tiger should have come in and use that committee rule that Augusta used to keep him exactly. I think the tournament chairs decides that he is allowed to continue. It's an invitation. I think there's some really strong some symbolism that comes with the signing of this, right? Like it's you're verified that you checked it like and speed didn't check it. Like this, this almost happened to me a couple of years ago to tournament. I, I had not left. I thought I'd signed for an incorrect card card turned in the card and they were reading it back
Starting point is 01:16:29 to me. I'm still at the table. They're reading it back to me. They said, whatever, 71 to shoot. And it was actually 72 and I, we corrected it on there. And I thought the guy that was scoring was just doing me a solid. And it turned out like, no, like if I hadn't left the scoring area, right? So I, that, that extra step in the process of like, let's, let me check what you have here. Does this sound right to you? And I had one, I had something written wrong on there. Like it can happen.
Starting point is 01:16:51 It really can, especially what we need. What we need is bathrooms in the scoring. Well, I don't, yeah. Why don't we just have a larger scoring? Don't sign it. If you, if you're in a hurry, like, like I'm, dude, that he exposed himself there. It's Jordan's, well's obviously one of my favorites. He knows this though. Like this is, this is a part of golf. I'm like, you sure you can
Starting point is 01:17:09 say it's antiquated and you know, this is exactly why golf needs to change. I thought the nut of the question though was, does it need to be a part of professional golf? I think that's the crux of it though. And I, so where I thought about this a lot this weekend, Randy, like there is so much professional golf played where there's not shot link all over the place. Right. So I think it's more confusing. If you have, no, we have shot link this week. Don't need to sign anything. And then, Oh wait, at spy glass, we didn't have shot link, but Pebble we did. So now we have a next procedure here on the entire LPGA tour. We don't have shot link. So like you signed your card in
Starting point is 01:17:46 the tournament. Like that is how you report your score. Like that's, that's, that's how it applies. And again, this is an outlier situation that this happened and 99.9% of the time it is not an issue. And there are safeguards to prevent this. Jordan like skeed around them. I don't know why I'm using so many skiing analogies. Maybe TC's trips got me all in a, in a skiing mood. So a little weird, sorry. The third time in the last four years, he's been dequeued from a tournament. I mean, like the, there was the thing with Stenson at the hero where they played from the wrong keys. The J.P. The J.P. McManus where he scooped a putt instead of, uh, you know, tapping it in, thinking that like his score didn't matter. It didn't count, whatever. And forgetting that there
Starting point is 01:18:22 was like an individual portion and he got dequeued from that. Like they're all different circumstances, they're all kind of silly different brain farts or whatever in their own way, but it just seems like he got to be a little bit more on top of it after the didn't know the McManus thing. The hero thing was whatever. Supposedly, it was a very funny thing with him and Stinson explaining why they played from the wrong teas and the guy who was there supposed to tell him didn't know, it was a very funny thing with him and Stenson explaining why they played from the wrong teas and the guy who was there, supposed to tell him didn't know what it was and whatnot. So that that was, did they get de queued or just penalized on that?
Starting point is 01:18:51 I don't know if they got de queued in that. I think they got de queued. I think they scored ultimately didn't count. I read something someone, uh, someone in golf media tweeted, this is their two-stroke penalty. They got two stroke penalty in 2021 for that. Yeah. Well, then that's why you shouldn't reach it on Twitter. Cause there's
Starting point is 01:19:06 a lot of us just made up AI stuff. I'm going to audit that shit. I'm an auditor at heart. Why do you didn't sign that take KB? Until the end of the show. Yeah. Like, do you think Cody checks our takes and makes us all fine on that? No. Why don't we get into our, uh, our next little segment? We got a couple of other things to get through to from Riv, but listen in golf, when bad shots happen, there's a mulligan ball. And when fire, water or other damage happens, there's serve pro. Thankfully the pros at serve pro know how to make any mess both on and off the course. Like it never even happened. I want to thank serve pro for our new segment,
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Starting point is 01:20:20 see he has my clip queued up. I would like a I would like a mulligan. I'm the, I'm the cooler man. I just cannot stop jinxing people on Twitter. I cannot stop it. I would like a mulligan on a couple guys this week. Uh, Spieth went out hot, uh, went out firing. Of course, had, I just had to get the tweet out. I thought, you know, after our conversation last week, he was, uh, had, had to five under on the opening nine said, I want you to put the word out there that we back up. We not back up and almost immediately fell down the leaderboard and then got himself disqualified from the tournament. I'm just, I, I had the absolute
Starting point is 01:20:54 cooler, uh, max comes out real string stringer bell situation. In fact, you don't have to spoil for the wire, but you know, you, you stringer bell who had that quote and you kind of let him a similar fate. So Max came out after, you know, a really tough opening round. He shot 73 was two over. He shot 65 though on Friday and opened round three with an eagle. I got himself to six under par, making a run at this tournament. And I just had to alert everyone, the pro here he comes, like rising up the leaderboard.
Starting point is 01:21:30 He bogey the next three fucking holes. Like I cannot stop doing it. And today I don't know if we have the, I don't think we have the images for this one, but I said, I think it's Willy Z time and Hedek. He just went absolutely ape shit and Hedek. He and Willy Z pulled one of the bunker immediately after I said that. So I'm the cooler. Anytime I tweet anything, I just fuck everything up. So I apologize. I think I think speed, you know, don't be yourself too much over speed. Speed would have been only like two back of Hedekki going into the weekend, I believe. You never know. Maybe speed had a had a 60 Sunday 62. No, but his his Friday round was like, yeah, dude, like that's exactly what I was saying last
Starting point is 01:22:04 week. He doesn't it doesn't last 72 holes with him. It just does not. It's too, it's, you know, just not playing the odds. Randy, you got next? Yeah, I'll go. Mine's, mine's a bit quicker. You know, I, going into our happy hour on Wednesday, I knew we needed to make a definitive pick to win the tournament. I was obviously planning to make Will's Alatourist my Valentine. But I went chalk. I went with the easy pick. I picked Justin Thomas. You know, he had good form coming in. And I would like him all again on that pick. I should have gone with my heart, my true heart, my Valentine wheels out Taurus. And I think nothing encapsulated like JT's week. Then this picture on screen, he's up against the, uh, the fence, I believe at the driving range plays a shot where he
Starting point is 01:22:55 banks it off the fence to try to get back and play. And I'm like, I was right there actually for this. It was like, what the fuck just happened? Do they like a shotgun go off? I could not, I couldn't see behind the crowd. Like what was happening? I didn't realize that he had tried to bank it until it we banked it about four feet. So yeah, which like what's he gaining over just taking an unplayable and moving it, you know, a club length or whatever. I thought I thought that plus just a chef's kiss five minutes
Starting point is 01:23:27 for him where he missed a three put a three foot birdie putt to start his round two on number one and then immediately double cross snipe hook off the tee on number two. I'm like yeah nice pick wish I had that one back. Kevin, what do you got? You know, so we've had a lot of fun doing these deep dives. Uh, got a lot of fun comments about our 97 majors recap. Uh, I said in my, uh, I guess haste that congressional was hosting its first major championship. This was of course Ken Venturi erasure.
Starting point is 01:24:02 Uh, he had won the US open there. I got a lot of notes from people. I'll'll never get to play congressional now. But a lot of people sort of shaming me for saying, you know, you dummy, you didn't realize that this was not the first major. So mea culpa for that. That was my bad. I will not apologize, Randy, for any of our ball knower takes. I think I stand by all of those. Uh, if you haven't listened to our ball knowers wrap up yet, uh, folks, I encourage you to Randy and I had our little bit of a trial that we put on for this, for Mr.
Starting point is 01:24:35 Shanahan, uh, but yeah, uh, other than that, I'm good. No more apologies. A lot of people saying you guys left it, let them off easy. A lot of people say in that is all I'm going to say. I haven't finished it yet. There was some of that. I don't know. I mean, I felt like, I feel like the rational take though is, is that Kyle is not entirely to blame. I think obviously TC and Pooch have some strong, uh,
Starting point is 01:24:55 effusive praise of Kyle that goes over the top a little bit too much. I felt that big and I ultimately were able to divorce ourselves from the emotion of that and the stage of fair trial. And if it's nothing that we like more than a fair trial big no No, I good with when you're up on that bench it comes with great responsibility and I tried to take that to heart Thank you. I guess one late mulligan Cody I didn't even think about this but for however many times I confused live with the rib on our Wednesday happy hour I'd like about that was great. I mean mulligans for that. No, that was, that was fantastic. Do you think live would have dequeued
Starting point is 01:25:27 speed? If he had signed the wrong scorecard, I can see live trying to get around the whole scorecard thing and just being like, Oh, no, he's still in the tournament. That's these good. Scorecards. Haven't you seen these weird colors we put on our leaderboard on our website? Nobody knows what they mean, but that's how we keep score. Always got to do to get back in a shock on a beer dog. That's all he needs to do. Listen, I'd listen to that rule. Shot gonna be on the first tee. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:51 A few other things from Riv. The fourth hole is, you know, question from Hercula muffin. The fourth hole stinks, right? It does in its current iteration. I've tried to talk myself into that. It's kind of fun watching watching bomb it over the green, try to get up and down or, you know, try to force scramble on a part three is an interesting thing, but it should be such a cool hole. The Cacuy is just taking it, taking all the fun out of it and everything just lands short in the, in the Cacuy. Uh, in front of the green, leading it to not get there. If you land it all the way up on the green, it runs through. You're just relying on luck at a certain point. And, uh, I think it's time to,
Starting point is 01:26:27 from, from, I can't remember where I either read this or heard this when I was there last year about, I'm like, all right, well, why is there a cacouya there? And it's like, it's pretty unavoidable. It sounds like it's going to creep in and get there, no matter what they try to do with any grass types around there. So if that's the case, I'm fine with a full redo of that whole to figure out a way to make it work with cacouakuya the rest of the course manages to and this one, they kind of just seem to throw their hands up and say, yeah, there's nothing we can really do about it. And it's not working. It's current iteration. That's my take.
Starting point is 01:26:55 I believe historically the Kakuya is there because they held like the equestrian there for the Olympics in like the 30s. And that's when they dragged all the Kakuya and it over in the course. I believe that that is an accurate take. That's can't vouch. I won't sign that take, but I believe that is. Can I play public defender one more time? Please, please. I'm sorry. There's one, one hole that you might, it depends a little bit on a little bit of luck, you know, boo- who everybody's got to play at number four is fine. It's a fine golf hole.
Starting point is 01:27:29 10 is I would say I would release through the cacoo you play play a low slinger. I guarantee I got that shot. Maybe not every time, but I do have it. I don't think it would even release the low slinger. That's the problem. And I would say I would put 10 in that category too, Randy, of a little bit of luck, a little random hole, like, which I dig, but, uh, I don't know. There, it's not the worst hole in the world.
Starting point is 01:27:49 It's just like, man, it would be cool to see some really good shots get rewarded there and it just doesn't really happen. So I got to say it. So I got to point this out. They had Rory on the broadcast and they were like, do you like 10? And he was like, yeah, I like it. I like it a lot. I went up to Rory in scoring last year and it was like, just what's, what do you think on 10? And he was like, 10 stinks. It's. I like it a lot. I went up to worry in scoring last year and was like, just what's, what do you
Starting point is 01:28:05 think on 10? And he was like, 10 stinks. It's, it stinks. They need to redo it. It was very strong. It was the lead of my story. It did redo it in his defense. They did a little bit.
Starting point is 01:28:15 Maybe we'll see. He, I would like to hear him talk about the subtleties. He should have said it did stink, but now like the subtleties have made it better. So it was, it was fun this week. I thought, you know, it was, it wasn't a drastic difference, but now like the subtleties have made it better. So it was, it was fun this week. I thought, you know, it was, it wasn't a drastic difference, but especially watching, I don't know that just that hole when you get to the back nine on Sunday is like, all right, but you got to navigate 10. You got to figure out 10 watching Luke list hit it in just one of the worst spots you could imagine hitting it. I still really
Starting point is 01:28:41 dig that hole and course. It's not perfect. Was it, but was it lists or can't lay that hit it in the cross bunker? So can't lay it in the left cross bunker and lose list hit it in the right bunker, like 40, like 50 yards, like one of the worst, but he hit it to the front of the green and three putted from there. But that, that, I don't know. I freaking love Rivman. It's so freaking good. Hamster damn stuff. I don't know if you guys caught McKenzie Hughes's interview on Saturday. Um, an interesting timing to do a pretty big, uh, diatribe on, uh, on kind of money and pro golf and all of that.
Starting point is 01:29:12 Maybe I'm a little worn down by all of that, but, uh, maybe I've just spent too much time on Twitter where I, I read how people rip these things apart. It, the sentiment was very good in terms of. You know, the, you know, people dream of playing on this tour and playing in events like this. And it just, the money in golf has gotten too outrageous and people have focused way too much on that and forgotten about what we do. And obviously I'm paraphrasing that, but, um, that was an interesting time to, to do that.
Starting point is 01:29:37 And, uh, I appreciated McKenzie's comments, I guess, but they weren't necessarily like, not a ton of people were raving about them. Let's say. I think honestly, though, I think actually a ton of people were raving about them, let's say. I think honestly though, I think actually a lot of people were raving about it. The loudest people were bitching about them as they always do. But I do believe that those people are that minority. I think he was dead on in understanding and I was kind of curious if he had sort of, you know, heard a lot of what we've been talking about just about how pissed off fans are. I think the pros who are actually sort of listening to
Starting point is 01:30:05 how the fan reaction is are very much like, man, we got to do something because fans are pissed. And I think that's something I've certainly been talking about and written about several times. You know, there are a lot of fans out there just like, man, this this obsession with like who's getting paid, whatever, I'm just so sick of it. Just tell me when the majors are. I would be curious to see what like the television ratings come out for this on Monday or whatever Tuesday they come out to see if people, I mean, this is, this should be like one of your most watched events. Tigers playing in it. You would think that the ratings would be up. I would be curious to see if they're down from last year, just because there's some fatigue of like, I don't,
Starting point is 01:30:40 I don't want to listen to people talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, you know, being handed out to people who I just don't think are't want to listen to people talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, you know being handed out to People who I just don't think are all that great You know what happens when any other sport goes like there's a strike or a lockout They always trot out the common refrain listen the fans do not care about money squabbles between millionaires and billionaires and I think the same holds true on the PGA tour The only difference is though, we're going to have like the most prolonged drawn out money fight of any major sport.
Starting point is 01:31:14 And yeah, it can't help but do harm to the public perception of the pro game. That's totally and I don't think the ratings will be great this week. I mean, coming off last year with Rahm and max showdown, I don't think it's going to compare to that with, with what they had with no tiger, no speed, no Rory in the mix this weekend. Um, and that's again, goes back to a speech I don't need to make all over again of just like everyone's just losing in this thing, just at different rates. I mean, it'd be one thing if live was pulling all the eyeballs. I mean, we haven't,
Starting point is 01:31:48 the numbers came out for, we haven't talked about in this podcast, numbers came out for live Vegas, less than 300,000 people watching on the CW and the final round on Saturday. It's not like the eyeballs are just going over there. People are just not watching golf. They're watching less golf. Like it, it doesn't even need to be said that the pro golf has been harmed greatly by all of this. And it's just a waste of a bunch of people's talent to go play in front of less than 300,000 people in the CW and they, John Rom should have been there.
Starting point is 01:32:13 Dustin Johnson should have been there and it, it would have mattered. It would have really helped. Um, the tours doing the best they can with what they have with these signature events, getting everyone on the course at the same time, they just don't have enough stars anymore. And it sucks. So that's, that's it. Um, thought CBS was great. Commercial load seemed a little steep. Genesis commercial was horrific. Uh, that music, I I'm fine to never hear that again, but awesome angles, some really new, some new graphics. I've really enjoyed the one, uh, like with, can't lay here on the 10th hole showing where,
Starting point is 01:32:43 uh, you know, the numbers for the front and the middle of the green and the back, uh, like with, can't lay here on the 10th hole showing where, uh, you know, the numbers for the front and the middle of the green in the back, but also showing where he hit his, his tee shots on round one, round two, round three, just, you know, really subtle thing. And then I don't know if these numbers were right in this little segment they did of how he, he manages his weight shift to it from his back to his front. Um, but just against go, it's worth noting how far things have advanced. Uh of dawn on me today. Awesome. If they were just making that like, how do they know those are the exact covers? You know, like, yeah, let's just throw some percentages up there.
Starting point is 01:33:12 They did a great one with J.D. I like to see my, my own percentages. Oh, Kevin's got 90% of his way on his back foot. You know, it stays there. That's tough. I was looking at Randy hanging mine. How was it negative? You know, I like, I don't know if you've, if you've had this, but the shot of Hideki when he was going to hit that shot into 18 where it was like crystal clear, it was down low, it was blurry in the background. You could see all of the fans.
Starting point is 01:33:36 That was beautiful. I mean, that was like art there. And maybe it's just like Hideki's yellow shirt is kind of making it pop a little bit more. But like, I feel like they are working harder to get those kind of cool angles So it's like all right We're gonna get down real low and we're gonna give you a wide lens here And we're gonna it's gonna be super sharp right here and the background is gonna feel like a painting in the background
Starting point is 01:33:55 That was awesome. I was touched said to my wife look at this shot This is awesome like this this is not something you see very often in golf coverage So shout out to them I mean and I don't have one of these yet, but from what I'm hearing about the Apple vision pro, like the really good imagery, like that is coming to sports watching CBS is giving us that on the HDTV right now. And I have not sampled this yet. But from what I've heard and what I've seen, sounds like their product is
Starting point is 01:34:21 going to play really, really well in this product of like being able to like immerse yourself in a scene like that. And they they've given a shit. I mean, we've praised them a lot of the last couple of years after just many, many years of shredding them. They've given they've started really giving a shit about their product and it shows and it's it's just how it should be now. Like we don't need to pat them on the back every single week, but it's, it's, they're, they're covering golf how it should be covered now. And I have very few qualms other
Starting point is 01:34:48 than of course the commercial load, which is a shared problem with the PGA tour and not just their problem. But I don't know. It's, it's, I remember today, remember the coverage gap when all the, sometimes golf would go off TV for like 45 minutes on a Sunday and there's like, we can't do anything about it, man. What do you want us to do? And sure enough, all of a sudden now two years, it's been two years with this. They've had it. And there's no gap anymore. CBS broadcast starts on golf channel when the basketball games run long and they throw it back to studio to cover the last 10 minutes or so in that three, in that one to three o'clock window. And I just remember how much time we spent bitching about the coverage gap. They're like, it can't, it can't do anything
Starting point is 01:35:27 about it. It should have six years later. It's all God. Didn't Justin Johnson almost win the tournament during the coverage gap? Like he shot a 65 like early in the day, whatever. I feel like that was one of the things that we have. Like it was like, Oh, while you were away, like DJ shot the round of the tournament and is now like in second place that was making me laugh. Think about like, Oh, well, the TV cameras are on every shot. So you don't guys know what he's got in their scorecards. Like, yeah, for like a long time, like the TV cameras were never like people would almost win tournaments and the TV wouldn't be there. Oh, golf is the best man. Hey, I have one complete random, I guess it would be under
Starting point is 01:36:01 Hamsterdam, uh, watching a little bit of the bumper coverage. My first exposure to Brendan De Jong in the in the golf channel, the golf central studio, I really like his voice. Yeah, I dig it. He just this manner of speaking and you know, very South African, a little, a little accent. I enjoyed him. It took me a minute. I was like, who is this big fella in studio? And, uh, finally realized who it was. So I wanted to make sure I gave him a shout out. Anything else from Riff that we haven't discussed? Can I throw a little bit of a, you, we were talking about being disappointed in Rory's results and
Starting point is 01:36:38 what's up with Victor Havland? Like, you know, not a particularly strong start to the year for the person who was the best person on the PJ tour last year. Won the FedEx Cup, really mediocre finish. I got it here. The second, you know, T22 at the century, T58 at Pebble and T19 here was never really a factor. Seems kind of just like ordinary, like not really thrilled about the state of his game. Just kind of kind of pissed about, you know, the driver or the, where the ball is going. Uh, I thought he was kind of had taken the leap and was, you know, going to be the next, you know, superstar and seems, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:37:19 something's something not quite right at the moment with him. Yeah. Is he pissed at the state of his game or the state of the game? That's a good question. I mean, I, I think he's mostly pissed at the state of his game. He was really like grinding on the range, both at pebble. And, uh, here he skipped, uh, you know, Phoenix because he just sort of felt like he needed to do his practice and work on stuff it seemed like.
Starting point is 01:37:45 I don't know. I mean, I think I look, was he not happy about the framework agreement? Yes. I can definitively say he was pissed about that and did talk to some people kind of about that this week about how, you know, it wasn't almost that like he wanted to go to live per se. I mean, certainly like he flirted with it. I think it's fair to say that, but it was like he is very much a person who did not love the way that it went down and that was sort of taken out of their
Starting point is 01:38:09 hands and the decision. And I don't know, is that affecting him in this part of the year? I think that's fair to ask. Yeah. It's, um, he fired his coach. I mean, I don't know, fired his coach. He parted ways with the coach who fixed his, uh, short game coach. Sorry. He, who fixed his short game and made him great. And it's had some short game kind of mediocreness so far this year. I mean, that's, he's a, he's a very independent minded person. And I think like he wants to do it his way.
Starting point is 01:38:38 So I could understand why he'd be like, all right, thanks for the help. You're a coach. Like I'm going to take it from here, but it just sort of a weird look to be like the person who kind of fixed you had made you, you know, great in one area where you were clear weakness. You were like, yeah, I don't want to be a part of it anymore. Joe, Joe Mayo seems like a lot. Uh, I'm going to flip this around on you, Kev, because I've been thinking about
Starting point is 01:38:59 this a lot too, and especially seeing him at pebble when we're out there. Would you rather have Victor like in peak form now or when the major comes? No, but I think like bringing up the same thing as Rory, like Victor is of that class right now. Right. Like he's, I think he's the best player without a major. Is that fair to say? Like he's better player than can't lay to me. He's a better player than Xander, I think. And so I want him, I mean, he showed, he's got real close in a couple of majors in the last few years, could have won the PGA, you know, with a better round, he's certainly could have won the old, at the old course. It just doesn't feel like the start of the year has been the start that
Starting point is 01:39:39 you'd want. And if we're going to kind of take Vori to task a little bit, if we're going to, you know, nudge JT a little bit, be like, yeah, we'd like to see a little bit more than I definitely think we got to say to Victor, because you've, you've earned that standard now that we're holding you to, you're one of the dudes. So, you know, I want to see you play better. And this stretch of golf matters. Right. I mean, this is the PGA tour stretch that means the most.
Starting point is 01:39:59 I think it's weird that, you know, the season loses steam as, you know, of course, as the majors happen. So I'll, I'll agree with that. It's, it's, um, it's noteworthy at minimum that he's not definitely not following up. That kind of speaks to like a lot of the stars to this point. I mean, uh, I don't know if I have the, the updated FedEx, uh, FedEx cup rankings, but it looks like Scottie's at second, Hideki third. Um, I would need to get a full list.
Starting point is 01:40:24 Was Matthew Pavon not in the field this week or who's in first? He did not play this week. It was not. I can confirm that KV. I'll add Colin more. Like, yeah, come on, dude. We just need more from you week to week. Like I, I, I hate it stinks that we're asking, would you rather have them play well now or at the majors? It sucks having that an either or question instead of like, they play so much golf though, dude. I don't blame
Starting point is 01:40:49 them. I know, but like Victor's too young to be like, Oh, look, if this was LeBron or if it's like tiger, I would be like, yeah, okay, like you're going to turn it on. The stuff that matters is Rory. Like no one would be like, yeah, man, like Joe, Joe isn't playing that great. It started out the year, but it's fine because like, you know, he'll turn it on later. What it matters. Like, no, like you're young. You need to be going like a dog at it early on the whole start of the year. Like that's what the product needs is for you to be good. You tell me that if Victor had won twice this year, or if he'd had a duel with wet with,
Starting point is 01:41:21 you know, with Wyndham and it just lost a pebble that it wouldn't have been felt more exciting. That's what I'm saying. Pebble's a place where he's won before. Everyone's been stinky. All the, all the stars that they've needed to go have been stinky so far. Like that was, think back to the help. The season started last year. I mean, God, it was hitters only to start.
Starting point is 01:41:40 That's what I mean. So, yeah. Um, other hamster notes, Gary Woodland, uh, made the cut this week and spent a lot of time in the booth on Saturday. That was great. I really appreciate their, their efforts on getting guys in the booth. Rory doing it and, and Woodland, I feel like it could probably do a little bit more of getting something out of those guys and maybe not have seven guys,
Starting point is 01:41:56 pepper more questions, but, um, it's a, it's a good development. It feels very normal and natural. Now the walk and talks now are not even, you know, don't even get highlighted that much amongst viewers because it just has become a part of the broadcast, but I wanted to highlight that I appreciate. I would have liked to saw you on that point to just have for a while, Nancy and Trevor and Rory. And that's it. Like, I sit in sit, hold sit, whomever for a minute and just let Rory kind of talk me through these holes because whatever insight he's going to give you is better than what is on the ground.
Starting point is 01:42:30 To be honest, from outside, I want to give a shout to David Pueg. He won on the Asian tour to get a spot in the open championship. We have, you know, traveling the world and trying to try to qualify for major championship events and not just whining about getting, not getting world ranking points. I want to give a big shout out for that one. He is going to be heading to World Trim later this year. So he won them. That's great. That's a Malaysian open. I believe it was. So the WM Phoenix open has vowed to do an
Starting point is 01:42:57 operational audit on their procedures. I thought that was the noteworthy thing of as we think about for waste management for next year, they're going to look into how they're doing things, which I think is probably about time that they do that. So big, you want to take us to women's, the women's scene this week, Patty Tavitan honestly is exciting just because she has all the potential in the world and has kind of been through the ringer both on course off course and if she can realize that potential again I say again she's a major winner. It just adds to what's becoming a deeper and deeper women's
Starting point is 01:43:46 game. So very happy that she got the win in Saudi. I guess the other big name to note, Charlie Hall finished in a tie for third. The LPGA Tour, this was an LET event. The LPGA Tour returns the next couple of weeks, starting the starting the, the early season Asian swing. So, um, myself, Cody Jordan, I believe we'll be talking women's golf, uh, in the week ahead, look for that podcast episode Thursday. Bleak looking field, the Mexico open at Vidanta this coming week. It is big tone, SZN boys. Big tone is going to be defending.
Starting point is 01:44:26 I think we're going back to back. I think we, I think he's going to stomp the field, uh, down in Mexico. So, uh, who would be the other contenders? So is there anybody who can catch big tone? Is there anybody who would even be within a stroke of his stroke scheme profile? This is going to be to put you on the spot. There's one, I forget who it is now, but there was one more interesting name in the field is it's Alaturas. This is part of my job. This is why I hate put you on the spot. There's one. I forget who it is now, but there was one more interesting name in the field. Is it Zalatoris? This is part of my job.
Starting point is 01:44:47 This is why I hate doing this part live. I hate sorry. I know you. I know you love to talk big time. I know you're putting all your nuggies in a theoretical wager here on big tone to win Mexico. There was there was one more big name. Zalatoris was in, but he's since WD. Will Gordon was in,'s since WD. Will Gordon was in has since WD. Let's see. Yep. There's not a lot. He's going to be like, big tones. You're going to be like four to one to win this week. I have a feeling I hope you.
Starting point is 01:45:17 What is he telling? Love Mexico. Is he has a sponsor down there? Is he just like the family vacay cleans up the meal? He's the mule skinner. Come on. He's finally listening to Sally's advice and it's like, dude, you got to go play these shitty tournaments to get some wins. Learning how to win. That's what I'm saying was out to us. Maybe he's out there. It needs to be listening to those mutton chops coming. Randy, that's about three years old. Do you owe that a debt on that bet Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. That's about it. You guys have anything else for this week? I do. I got one shout out. Claire Rogers, of course, a very good Twitter follow.
Starting point is 01:45:54 Put this picture up of a deck. He's catty watching the events unfold. They're on 18, just ribbon, fat vapes all over the place. Always makes me chuckle when you see somebody out there with the trombone, just letting clouds fly everywhere. We didn't, I don't really care, but we didn't really talk about the Sunday red crap we did on Wednesday. We did that on Wednesday. Roll out.
Starting point is 01:46:14 Okay. Yeah. The other thing too, I kind of like Nance was quick to jump on it. He recognized that there was a little bit of Twitter, core fuffle there, but had deckies lie and putting his wedge down, you know, people were up in arms saying the ball's moving. What the hell is going on? Uncle Jim quick to jump on everybody and say, Hey, get out of here. Cram it nerds. Beated losers. Cram it TC.
Starting point is 01:46:40 Yeah. Not a violation there. The ball was not moving around at all. Like literally you couldn't even put your club down anywhere if that was going to be a violation. No more zooms on lies. We don't need to do it anymore because everyone's just going to get up in arms about absolutely everything and it's not how the rule is. You know, I will admit that was always an area where I was unsure of what the actual rule was. I'll raise my hand there. We do have one where it's thing that we sorry. No, we need to bring up is the cat. The cat and Gary Woodland playing with JT in the earlier part of the round. They both look into JT's bag to try to figure out what he's hitting. And the cat flashes over to Gary, like a down three, three, which I assume an eight iron, um, on there. There was a little bit of a lot of accusations thrown at me as I crucified Brooks for this. Uh, and of course Gary Woodland is back in the mix on this.
Starting point is 01:47:34 Um, I thought about this one a fair amount and I'm, it's, I don't think it's apples to apples. I do think it is, uh, something that the PGA tour should have definitely looked at. I don't know if they did or didn't listen. It is not my job to enforce all the rules that the PGA tour should have definitely looked at. I don't know if they did or didn't listen. It is not my job to enforce all the rules on the PGA tour. But, uh, if, on, if there's camera going around on social media and, uh, of tiger flashing a signal to someone else, uh, they should probably look, maybe they did look at it.
Starting point is 01:47:58 Maybe they didn't. I do think it's this different because he was not saying what he hit. He was not advising Gary what to hit. He was simply signaling by look, you're allowed to look in. So again, the clarification, you're allowed to look in someone's bag as to what they're, what is not there to see what they're hitting. That's what both of them are doing. And he just signaled over to Gary that it looked like it was eight iron, I assume is what he was signaling. Now, I honestly don't know if that is a penalty to signal to what another player is hitting.
Starting point is 01:48:26 But I also think that is a very common practice on par threes to look into somebody's bag to figure out what they're hitting. I think there's not common practice in the middle of a fair way after you've hit a shot to tell your playing partner what you hit. I think that is very clearly like saying out loud, what you hit is different than signaling what somebody else is hitting, but I don't technically know that rule. Well, what you hit is highly illegal. You cannot tell you.
Starting point is 01:48:54 I'm assuming that you're tying it back to asking for advice and everything else. That's that, but relaying somebody, you know, the third partner would have been so sick to see tiger get hit with a two-stroke penalty. Which like, again, you have to assume that that was brought to somebody's attention. And if it was a penalty, it would have been assessed. Right. Again, I think that, and again, to make it very different from what happened at
Starting point is 01:49:21 the masters, they brought Brooks and Gary in and said, did you signal to him that you hit a five iron from the top of that hill? When you did did Ricky Elliott say five iron out loud and did you do this as you were taking the glove off? And they said they did not do that. That's where the cheat happened right there. You lied when a rules official came and asked you now again, if this was against the rules and rules official came to Tiger and say, Hey, did you signal this? And he said, no, we'd be the exact same situation, but that is not what happened here. Stay strong, solid. Be yourself by all these haters are coming at you. F them all.
Starting point is 01:49:55 DJ pie, of course. In the, in the, in the, yes. DJ pie. Hi. Let me just say, I wish there were some unwritten rules in, in golf, right? Hey, solid KVV Cody, your baseball fan now your Rangers won the world series. You know, if a batter's peeking behind them, trying to figure out what signs that catchers thrown, I know the signs have kind of gone away now with pitch comp, but there, there'd be a fight. I'm ready for a fight. Like if I catch a competitor looking in my bag, that's that. I might fight them. I'm, I'm sick of these guys being all buddy, buddy all the time. I thought they were out there competing.
Starting point is 01:50:30 That's maybe take a practice swing that kind of grazes the bag or something. Let them know. Get the back. I love that. I'm ready to celebrate somebody's hole in one. That guy just beat you on that hole. Get back on defense. What are we doing? If, if Keegan and Miguel on hell, Jimenez can nearly fight than anything people should, there's some softer people out there. It should be willing to stick up. Let's go. Throw hands. All right. I got some Thai food downstairs waiting for me. I think it's
Starting point is 01:50:57 time to wrap the show guys. This was, this was a blast. I love this week. Now we're not hitting the, you know, the most fun stretch, of course, of golf, but who knows what may happen. I got a big tournament coming up this week. I got and play on the gasparilla down in Tampa. We'll be down filming that a lot of questions up from my Instagram. We will have a film room out on that, but you can follow the results of that as they're happening as well. Games feeling pretty good feeling tidy. Swings like a dial. Guys, it's, it feels a little different man. I'm ready to go compete. I'm ready to put it to the test. It, uh, new wedges in the bag wedges are in the bag. Balls coming out of a nice window hit 16 greens on Friday shot
Starting point is 01:51:33 a nice tidy 400 par 68. I'm feeling we're trending, we're trending in the right direction. I'm really excited to go compete. It's an awesome, awesome tournament. We have a couple previous years videos up on YouTube. If you haven't got a chance to watch those, those are some good primers on it. And it's like a mid-am event that feels like a freaking tour event the way they treat it. And it's really, really fun. And we've had a great time with it, making some content around it. So the handicap has fallen three shots in total. Since got my, uh, a lesson in, uh, late December, three shots in, in two months, just from a, from a really primo lesson from my guy, Jim at Tim McQuann. So, well, solid best of luck to you.
Starting point is 01:52:14 Thank you. Thank you guys. I'm very excited. I'm going to play golf tomorrow morning too, which is fantastic. So all right, Cody, thank you for one of the ones and twos. Thank you to high noon. Of course, thank you to titleist. Thank you to row back. Thank you to serve pro. Thank you to KVV for
Starting point is 01:52:26 making the trip out to Riv this week. Thank you to big Randy for watching pro golf men's pro golf this week and for everyone tuning in live on Sunday night. Greatly appreciate it. We will see you back here. Not live back until Bay Hill, I believe, but we'll see you then. We'll be back for Sunday night recaps of course as well LPJ preview or LPJ episode coming out this week as well See you soon. Take care. Cheers. Wreckle Be the right club today Better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most!

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