No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 8: BMW Recap, Ryder Cup Discussion

Episode Date: September 9, 2014

For the first time in months, we got all four NLU founders on the line to catch up on everything going on in the golf world. We cover Billy Horschel’s recent BMW Championship win which... The post NLU Podcast: Episode 8 (BMW Recap, Ryder Cup Discussion) appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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on Monday night September the 8th yesterday Billy, Billy Horshaw, won the BNW Championship at Cherry Hills, out last thing, Jerry Leicester Watson Jr. by two shots. First of all, what do you guys think of Cherry Hills hosting a playoff event? Would you think of how it appeared on TV, how it played for the guys and what you want to go back there. I liked it. I think it was a fun course from a viewer's, from a viewing perspective. I thought, good mix of, you know, they had this short part four.

Some certainly reachable part five, I guess, when you're at altitude, kind of everything's reachable. You were kind of chill, though. Like, it was chilly. Yeah. I was a fan. I was a fan overall. I'd love to see him go back. Kind of reminded me of a little bit of a West Coast Marian, just a fun, kind of old school track, Ball Striker scores. I was surprised how the scores were protected pretty well. I thought it was a pretty short course, especially considering the altitude and the fact that they got rain.

They had so many very reachable holes. I think Bubba was putting for eagle. Somebody said like four times on Saturday, three or four times. And still the only man should shoot 1200 par for the whole week. I was surprised that the course stayed that protected. Yeah, I think if it wouldn't have rained, you know, these greens can get mega firm. But I think the Marion comparison is pretty app. But at the same time too, I really like the fact, I think mountain times, sometimes the best fall moment I saw.

So, I love coming home and, you know, coverage is on to like 7 or 8 p.m. every night, the first couple nights, which was great. You know, not that, like, you see all the four to the four, six, when you get home from work, it's great. Yeah, that's a 4 to 8 TV window. I got that. How I got as well. Let's taste it. I think it's great. Yeah, that's a 4 to 8 TV window. I got how I got as well. That's

tasty. I think it's crazy. It's the first time they did make it Denver in like six years, I think, five or six years. If you look at a map of like where, if you just like track how the tour moves across the country, it's by far the most random tour stop for the entire year. Like there's nothing in the middle of the country at all, at all. And I don't know if there's another tournament within 800 miles of this. I mean, it's so random that they went there in the middle of September,

but I don't think it could have gotten much better for them. But you got, I mean, I don't think there's anything else within 800 miles of Denver as it is for the big cities, any KC andc and kc and salt lake are probably the closest ones right probably the other thing that really shouldn't go on the telecast and tell bossy the membership there was like I think rich learner called it a venerable track like 95 times you know L.A. is just walking around on his blackberry on the task guy I mean why the long face all weekend what was he so upset about

hey did David do fall mention whether or not he's a member too on the covers I couldn't tell and then Mark we be too we be with like yeah like, yeah, we got some guys that can just play in this membership. I'm like, all right, you know, this is a big measuring contest here. They said it's written the bylaws that they have to stage major, like big golf events here. It's going to be in that one day.

That's a problem. like, oh, no. Well, I looked at the event box in which was, it's correct me if I'm wrong, a trash dump before we came with golf course. I thought the Cherry Hills track was lush and above the final two holes. You hate to see Sergio lay up, but oh god. He's watching that hold down the stretch is great. Yeah, Todd and Phil, it's up to you.

You got to defend your boy there. So those are more watching Sergio down by two, playing the 71st hole, had 253 into the par 5, 17th hole, green, it's an island green surrounded by water, but at altitude, 250 plays probably closer to 220, and he laid off to a 83 yards and then received to make 8. I really don't know what he was doing. In real time, it was kind of surreal.

It was like the only thought I had was, like, you must have money on Horsesol. Someone thought of himself. Like, it was just so amazing. First the layout. I would say, I can't get the layout. But then the airmail is completely airmail the lob wedge. All right. Maybe the altitude, maybe, you know, wrong number.

But then it hits this little scalded chip back across into the water. It's like, you know, that's a 20-handed capper chip. I mean, it was just incredible. It was awesome. It really was awesome. I will say, I mean, watching a lot of coverage there this Friday and so many guys it's so many just thank you shots on that whole like they were dudes and on 17 and 18 so drive on 18's tough to and dudes were hitting it in the

water but like not like dribbling in the water. They were, like guys were flying at 40 yards into the water. So, did you see, did you see KJ Choi going the water, I think, on the other? Oh my God, that's always, that's all. It's a little bit different than in other countries. Like, whoa, man, I'm on clubs. I wasn't clubs.

Mikkelson may have been intentional. I like that, I like that first hole. A travel bar four. That's a fun way to get started. Yeah, that was sweet, man. Yeah, there's a good, I know there's a lot of holes that were kind of like part three and a half to part four and a half, which is most interesting to me. It's like, you don't want a whole plane perfectly even par.

You want to hold the guys to different shifts themselves on. Those travel par 4s, if you didn't hit it in the right spot, you weren't making birdie. Those were not easy holes. You had to hit really good shot to end to walk away with birdie. Yeah, although I mean I saw a couple guys hit it in the water on one. They got up and down for a par. You know, what do you do? Yeah, I think the possibility for big numbers was present there.

Yeah, well we made it this far. We somehow, I don't even know if we haven't said it or worried about horses. So yet this is a long time coming for us. We've been pulling this guy for since the beginning of time. And the putter finally got hot. He led the field and strokes game putting this week. Average almost three strokes per round gain on the field. He didn't even strike the ball that great all week. He just made everything he looked at. Every putty needed to. And did you get to see his quote? I don't know. I forget where I read it. guys see his quote i don't know i forget where i read it

uh... he said that he i don't remember well he said it but he got that just we did it saying if i was a betting man yet i'd be betting on myself the court championship well that well that can now he was the one he was the first guy that really i don't think it was his post-run press room i think it was a post-run press room Saturday he was saying how upset he was that like I don't think it was his post-run press run. I think it was his post-run press run Saturday in his evening.

He was saying how upset he was that he dropped from soloist back into a tie for a second. Because it dropped him out of the top 10. He's the first guy I really am. And trying to make somebody else's like, you know, obviously our goal to be in the years to make a tour champion. That's what your goal to be end of the year. What did your goal at the beginning of the year? Well, I've always seen he's really genuinely interested in finishing well in the FedEx Cup,

which I mean, you know, $10 million more on. Yeah, I think he's trying to make some dough, man. You know what I mean? Like, I remember I read something about Jason Day recently where when he first started playing professionally, it was all about about money for him. And it kind of shows a little bit now with this little off topic, but you know, he's how many, how many run-up finishes he has in big tournaments.

He's always in the top 10. You know, he's not necessarily winning tournaments, seems like he's always maybe playing for the money. I kind of, a hortical kind of strikes me as, you know know a guy that is trying to get paid and I respect that I don't blame him at all but I mean I love that and it's like he does that kind of misalibbing. Well I just think he's the only one that's really honest about it. I think a lot of these guys are playing for the money but Horsel always the guy is going to tell you exactly what he thinks.

He's just not. And it's good to see a lot of guys near the top that haven't printed money their entire career, playing for the $10 million. Like, nobody wants to see Furek win $10 more million. You guys already made it? Oh, sorry, you're boy. You can talk about Furek later. But, all right, that's cool.

See, $10 million, like, change these guys lives. Furek, Furek, she's licensed up with $10 million. I mean, that wouldn't be a fun storyline at all And the horse will be double as clear as career earnings if you want to Well, I mean, I think it's so some serious challenge for a horse shoulder for rinses But probably one of the biggest shots of this career You know a couple days prior and then he comes out and he

backs that up and he shows it, he shows it, he shows it, he shows it, he shows it, he got over it, yeah and he is going to like to get back in that spot. Yeah he took his game across the country too. I'll tell you what, when he is in his address at the ball it just looks like he is so locked in right now, you know, he takes the club back like halfway and then just goes after the ball it just looks like he's so locked in right now with me like take the club back like halfway and just then just goes after the ball. Drive the ball really well. He's losing his swinging harder. We all followed him around for H.E. Bull with his pair of edges. To me it looks like he's swinging the way more

confidence than he was back then. I mean he just looks like he's generating more club at speed and there's just losing confidence. He's completely confident, he knows exactly where the ball is going. And he's like steering, I wrote this, he's like steering the ball and you think it's way offline, it's literally like right center of the fairway, that's perfect. But he's so locked in that's like legitimately not a good shot that he gets out. He's your favorite ball striker's favorite ball striker. He really is. It's a treat to why. And I know we're kind of, we might be teetering on too much Billy Love, but he, he, it's fun to watch him hit the golf ball. And that's why, you

know, when his putting on, he can win, he can win anything. He's world-class ball striker. And when you look at what he did last year? When he was hot, he was hot for a lot. I've had him already 20 to 1 to win the tour championship. I mean, 29 guys in the field, you can't tell me he doesn't have better chances to 20 to 1 to win. At East Lake. I got to get popped. I forget one of the XM golf channel I was listening to on the preview shows one day and then you were a buddy. They are my boys. They might have been my boys, Paulson and Paulson. But they're just paying out Terry Hills is just a ball-stagger's course because I believe the greens are correct if I'm wrong they're polar right? Yeah.

Yeah. And so essentially putting on that surface neutralizes a lot of the putting ability from the very best putter. So essentially shrinks the variance in putting to where you know your bottom end putters are going to be drawn more towards the average, your-end putters are going to be drawn more towards the average, your very good putters are going to be drawn backwards more towards the average. And they were saying, you know, it looked for guys like Delay.

They may have mentioned horse hide-on-no specifically, but I mean they nailed it. It was like Billy got hot, you know, got some commons putting and he hit the well not feed. Yeah, it was never really in doubt on Sunday I it was kind of close, but I Never brought doubt into it in my mind at least. I don't know Go back to the poet thing. I feel like the one thing they would negate that more at say cherry hills and Say like Pebble like pebble's post is someone to slow some the greens of cherry those were just like

ungodly terrifying you know we just factor front greens you got you got like four footers that on powa and with that slope like you know you're in the ball two cups outside the hole and praying it breaks in so yeah I think that might negate some of that a little bit but you know I'm surprised we didn't see more more torsos from Bubba in that regard like with with him

just you know playing in a little bump here there like weeds don't agree public with the well i mean i think he had a pretty poor puttingly getting by by lost strokes to the field uh... zirin mart brody had a thing on bj torre dot com and uh... if other would have put it where the shit at all this week you know what basically just really too bad we didn't see that i would have been that have been really fun to see

i love the fact that the's all of us 37, and like, you're not a good putter as it is, and your putter tends to leave you as you get older. Like, it's going to be glorious watching him. It's like what? And then just just piss it all the way on the green. So I'll make them go, that's enough to make you go insane too. That's the most frustrating to off-to-play.

It could be glorious. Well, so these guys ran a very, very, very question. Who's going to play the champion's tour out of guys from that era? They're going to have so much money from the FGA tour. Why are they going to want to be traveling to middle Canada and wherever they go in the champion tour week after week who's going to play that tour I'll tell you he's going to play the tour. I can tell you based on when I talk to TA3 he still loves the competition although the guys are just checking and checking around the range

like it's like a it's like a pair of country club that's kind of what he was getting at i feel like and he might not be a great example because i don't think he's made quite as much money as some of those guys and i think he spent a lot of it too uh... but it seems like they enjoy each other's company it's like they're you know it's like they're part of the

club still uh... we're looking for more longer. Longer's just like he's out there just grinding. I mean, the dude's just the competitive freak. Yeah, they're just really competitive. I can build a void and he's running. It's like going out and playing pool with a bar. You just want to get a win in, right?

Well, these guys can still put a little bit of money. So they want to play at the highest level they can, I would think. I'll tell you he's chomping at the bid to get out there. You've got a few years to go, but he's too wall. Get him out. No, get him out. I think he's going to get him. If I had to pick what I'd say, David Tom's

would probably be a good champion, tour guy. Sure. The guy's made like 40 million as is. Like, is he really going to want to go play the champion tour? I mean, I don't know why I'll probably put some kids through college. And then, you know, what? You know what? I think I'll play a little golf like playing in this in the, you know,

country club championships for him. Hey, man, David Thompson won $40 million. And he went down to the Puerto Rico Open and played this year. Like sure. That's true. That's true. That's true. I just think I can't fix, I ask like, I can't fix your like, or someone, or like, topner or any of those guys

playing the champion tour. Or Phil, for that matter. I could take Duffer playing. Still an interesting one, because you know, whether he does maybe place here there for the fans or not. I don't know that's that's interesting she just started doing blinds and twerling twerling watch buckling twerling

i can run this guy i think that you know all of it kind of it's like some are tired washed up in his place like they did that world team pennant i think something like that still goes on because this is the night i was watching Michael Chang play like Mark Phillip Poussus It was a great act up right there. Yeah, it was so intriguing But it was like I really wanted to change it like couldn't like I just had to keep watching

Poussus is sure look okay Like I had a great fire He got the bomb threat from the baseline Todd. And Chang was, Chang plays the same. I mean, he was given at 110%. Phil Tudy was had this big knee brace on. He was a lumbering. Chang was the coach of that Japanese guy in the US open. Oh, and he just was the coach.

He was up in the stand. He, just living and dying with every shot. It was always a technician, you know? Yeah, boy he had to be. Yeah, he didn't have the physical traits as other guys did. Hey, did you guys put your gears here? Did you guys have to watch the ending of the Euro Tour event over in Switzerland? Yeah, I did. First of all, that's my favorite thing.

Like Saturday Sunday morning, wake up at home or 9.30pm, flip that on, catch like the last six whole. And, you know, I mean, they're in Switzerland. So it was like, you know just alpine paradise. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

So what do you think of the course? I thought it was Mickey Mouse. Yeah. So that 18-hole belong to your own Disney. It was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. It was like 380, 380, 5 yards and like there's like just, like it was canton, like straight to the right. And then there was that pond up there that was like pretty too small for you to take it

seriously. Framing green and then like a chalet and like the clubhouse. Yeah, I had this utility shed over time. I like it. I like it. I like it. It's like a concrete swimming pool swimming pool yet i can figure it out but the utility shed but you didn't get a drop from it but you had to play it like you have bank it off utility shed like

but they were saying i didn't know this this course with free i guess heavy heavy hit like this miraculous shock around the utility shed like this thing has been in the building your door for years and years and years. Okay, so it's like, all right, so it's part of the lore. All right, maybe we're like the ignorant Americans and but it was,

yeah, I thought it meant this was how I first time watching you that. It didn't mean, I didn't understand why dudes weren't hitting like six iron off that tee and just trying to just hug that left corner because these are just pounding it either into that bunker Down the right empty ability shed I'm like this pan was just The pin was so tight over the swimming pool Yeah, we left left though. You're in this normally rough and then you're hitting at this green With again a water protect it like there just was no there was no bailout off the tee.

And then caught and then kept our boy just just completely yeah he just gassed it down the stairs. You ran out of gas black. Well you need a six on 18 on Saturday. So you get a great round going he was like six or seven undergone an eighteen made a double and then the undery bogey seventeen bogeys eighteen

so i got him he made his plan eighteen was credit you got up and down but it was do you know i was david lip ski you don't know about lip ski Who is David Lipsky? You don't know about Lipsky? No, the American. Literally, I watch. I was like, I don't know who this guy is.

I feel horrible. Yeah, I still know who he is. I didn't even take the time to read. Oh, he's American? I watched like three or four hours of it. I did not realize the guy was American. Yeah, he's American. I'm not even an idiot.

I don't either. Is he young guy? Is he one of the guys that ask you to play over in Europe because of the new qualifying system? He's 29. So I think he's not a young gun. He's 26, I just looked him up. Oh, 26.

And I think his status was actually on the Asian tour this year. Yeah, current tour is Asian tour, you're right. He's like working at, I think he's working like the top Hamilton playbook. Like, he'll probably win the 2018 British Open. Well, if there's ever any playbook to follow as a young golfer, definitely got to be the top Hamilton playbook. Well, one more thing about this. I don't think any of you guys saw the actual playoff, but all right. So, Graham Storm, let me just walk you to really quickly. Graham Storm has that he's blocked out, he's dimmed by the utility shed, right? Lipsky hits it into the bunker.

So, he's probably got, I'm guessing, maybe 120 to the green, nice line, the bunker. Storm's over by utility shed. It doesn't get relief. He gets relief but he's got to play outside way. So he punches it out to his fairway. Well, Libskie instead of just taking an iron, he could hit it into the grandstands over the green and take it out. He's got punches it out low and left into the deep roughs where he's got about a forty-yard pitch that's gnarly downhill back towards the water like somehow he thought that was his

best play and it was incredible i said that it is the stupidest decision i've seen band about of course he gets it up and down and wins the tournament though so i think it was it was i couldn't believe i was watching it in real time. It was really great. You guys have no idea how hard it is to picture this whole based on what you described.

Mickey Mouse. I'm probably getting a little justice at all, but it's not a video. I'm sweating a little bit. I think the utility shed was one of those things. I think this might have been a ski run, and they're making snow out of the utility shed. They're pulling.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So I would say everything because not to win that tournament, And they're making snow as a building shed. Yeah. Yeah. So I wouldn't get everything because not to win that tournament. And what he did. It was, how was the, how was the vibe over there in Switzerland? It was really, I just feel really cheerful. Like the sweats there are like, I think there's really happy. Yeah, you're up in the mountains.

You got a beautiful scenery. It looks like a nice day. I guess people don't have a up in the mountains. You got beautiful scenery. It looks like a nice day. I guess people don't have a car in the world. Whenever I see a Eurotour playoff, I just turn it off. Because honestly, I know they play the 18-hole over and over. And I just have to flashbacks. Because I think it was like the Madera Islands open. Yeah, it's kind of like mind timedira islands open yeah i like my time

it played the same point and it was like the most non-descript par4 in the world you can't make a part of it was all don't know what to turn off it was like it's captivating yeah what's the one third you was in this year is the par five and he kept hitting like three wood eight iron on two every hole every time. Does that mean in in in cutter or in cutter? I don't know.

When he was going to be. When he was going to be. When he was going to be. When he was going to be. When he was going to be. When he was going to be. As Tron said, you know, you're you're always growled. You watch and these things.

It's like party is like this. Like you're not sure if you're still kind of dreaming. You're hung over. You don't really know. It's pretty. It's been recorded. It's been paid as a cheeky as hell. They're so cheeky.

They're throwing out references. It's like it's way over my head that early. There's bad chicklets everywhere. So it's flashing on the gum. Yeah. I'm going to the near. I'm like flossing while I'm watching. Yeah.

That's a mental hygiene. All right. Well, that sounds like a segue into solid take us take us take us to the bridge here. All right, because we're talking about golf over in Europe, there's a little event coming up in a few weeks that has been talked about a little bit. What are we 20? I don't know less than that. Like eighteen days away from the writer cut still tell us you have any opinion uh... tom Watson's writer cut selection them a warning at first were a house divided uh... on most issues when it comes to capins picked so that i think some sculpting hot takes ready to roll

i i i i'll try to lay these out. You know, I'll try to make some sense here. I thought it was, I thought they were the most uninspired, unimaginative, stale, totally lacking pop picks. I've ever seen in my life. I was totally disgusted by them. Let me lay out my case. All right. What, the. has lost four out of

the last five rider comes to that right? Got to be at least. Yeah. Seven out of nine. Okay, so whatever we're doing is not really working. All right, we're going to agree on that. You know, we haven't even been rolling in success here. And I think we did. All right, listen. Guys have all been on the team before. They're good players. They're all good players. And maybe we play this in a month and I look like an idiot.

They all go 4-0 in the U.S. Whatever. I'll admit I'm wrong at that point. But I'm thinking, all right, let's start with Mayhan. He has a good PGA championship, he wins the Barclays, he's in. What I'm missing, I let him go. He's a good player too, I think that holds weight. He did win the WGC, he did win the JVWGC.

All right. These three guys, their career rider cup singles record is like 0-3 and 1. None of them ever want a singles match. All right. Keegan's been a good partner with Phil. Well, that was a good partner with Bill, but I'm getting there. So these guys aren't world beaters, it's my whole point. You know, these guys aren't.

They're good American players, they're not the future of American golf, they're not, you know, they're not the next big thing, and from, again, I give why why I've been picked, they're good players. From my perspective, American viewer, they don't bring any sizzle. I want fresh blood. I want new faces. I want fresh faces. Todd, Todd and I were talking earlier and he laid out best because kind of like what Yergen Klinzman did coming into the men's national soccer. Essentially he brought in a whole new pool of players and a lot of the guys were young, unproven, you know, Julian Green, okay, there's a little of the back that just went over, and these guys stepped up, now granted, not all the guys stepped up

and certainly maybe not all the golfers will, but I think that's what was needed, especially in light of, we've lost seven of the last nine radicals. Something's got to give. And I thought Watson had enough juice and enough cash. He's been successful enough where he could have really changed things and gone out on a limb and picked some guys who, given him a chance, perhaps jumpstart a couple of careers. I mean, he's in a position where he can maybe create the next great American goal for. Like, pick a Brooks Kafka. He goes over Europe, you know, beats a Sergio, beats a

worry in a Sunday singles match. All of a sudden, you might have the next big American thing. You never know. As a viewer, I'd be much more interested, I think. You've been a guy like Kafka. And finish 39, I think, in the Ryder Cup standings. This guy really didn't have any 2013 results. Didn't even have status anywhere on tour this year.

You got a tie for fourth at the US Open. It's been ballin' out in Europe. I think you bring a guy like him. I am partial to horse, I've been partial horse all year just to win only some men's fat, but I would have picked him. I think prior to this is energy. partial or so a year just we don't need to meant that but i would pick him i think prior to this is energy you like keegan

portion even better and you can find everybody what pissed me off to the brot wedlock essentially above the baby so they're like to be you better bring left because i was a poll or anything like it just i think i miss the big opportunity to get some fresh blood in. And I probably, I don't know, I'm frustrated, I'm frustrated. I get it Phil.

I agree. I think I talked about this. I don't remember with you on a podcast if you have month or two ago. You know, maybe this is the year you just reach for some, some Brennan or somebody like that who ever thought it was for fun. Yeah, but I think the problem with that is you there wasn't that guy really there to make that move. So when you look at between like Horsel and Mayhan, so Horsel had obviously the picks for me before this win last weekend. Horsel had a tie for second finish at Boston, Mayhem had won the previous week. So even as a current form, Horsel does not have the advantage necessarily of a Mayhem. Although current form, they're pretty much in line.

So you've got to look, he's going to look to, all right, Mayhem, balled out in the match play. He's balled at the President's Cup. He got a 21 and in the match play. He's balled at the president's cup. He got a 21 and 9 career match play record. He's been on two Ryder Cup teams. I don't see what real advantage other than, of course, he'll hadn't been on a losing Ryder Cup team versus taking somebody like Mayhem.

Now, yeah, of course, we're going and winning this week kind of makes me, you know. How did one of you do it the Walker Cup and he put in a Walker Cup team rents he did I have no idea what his record better was there but I and he liked there wasn't that guy making the move or like really trending towards the writer cup spot Chris Kirk was the popular pick last week after winning and all of a sudden he I mean that's kind of PGA championship he had a really slow second half of the year and he's last week after winning and all of a sudden he i mean it's cut the pg a championship

he had a really slow second half of the year and he finished fifteen shots behind horse over this week and no one's going to talk about it again it's like there's a popular guy that pop up every week i think that if somebody really made a case that they would have gotten the spot over web since then absolutely i think web was the fault like i don't have anyone i can really go to right now there's just one that i can't or shall and kept it did not do enough

to state their case and or shall even admitted that and he in his press conference or shall said you know i'm sure time left and it kicker himself for not taking the answer what kick me for not playing well sooner or so you need to get ass and shape before he did i get that i don't know that i've been of course, I'll do a few to give it to Ashen Shaped before he did. I did that, and those are all about it. And it certainly may. And I mean, I'm going to, with May-Han, you can leave on the team.

It's the other two spots. But I think, I think with this point, May-Han Watson, and kind of draw on a backpack of Queensland analogy, I want him to have four, I want him to maybe choose a guy who he thinks will perform in that spot, who hasn't necessarily earned it strictly on his performance, but a guy who maybe sees the talent and sees this guy will respond in that position. And that gets a different soccer, soccer is a team game. I was looking for Watson to maybe go out on a limb. It just feels like the captain's pegs are like, why don't we just take spots 10-12 if we're just going to pick the next three biggest names who had good years?

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see the captain's pegs, at least one of the captain's pegs, like you know, go off the box, stop thinking, maybe you got a mic. And I think Capco, because I think Capco has had a really good year without status. And he's the guy who maybe put in that spot. You granted, I had no idea how he'd react. Maybe getting comfortable. Maybe he'd be terrible. But then on the other hand, maybe he thrives. And all the sudden you got a Ryder stalwart from the next you know fifteen years i i just thought this year in particular to where the year was a such a big favorite on paper

you know i hate to admit it would probably lose anyway so it's probably all moved why not take a chance maybe on a couple guys might react well and that spot i think that that's probably my biggest frustration i thought i was going to have to work with two guys that fit that mold. I got some goodies from the 2008 Walker Cup, which was the Walker Cup team that Horses played on. Basically, the US team was Ricky Fowler, Horseson, Dustin Johnson, Chris Kirk, Colt

Nost, Tripp Keeney, Jamie Lovemark, Jonathan Moore, Web Sense and Kyle Stanley. Rory was on the Great Britain England team, David Horsey, Reese Davis, Jamie Willett, so some pretty good players. Horseshal and Spanner played Monday forces together, one for and three. Then Horseshal goes out, beats Rory straight up, one up, in the afternoon singles match. Then Horser will then follow team up again, beat Rory and some other chap to the one. Then Horser will lost first in every single match.

You know, all four stages of the thing. He went through it. Basically, he was the rock of the squad. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I, that's what you were saying about Watson. I felt like a ball. People Watson would go throughout that he did, that he would go very chalky. I felt like if it was somebody like Kaven or Zing or anything or who really,

maybe you really owned the process of capping a team. Like each thing up, he put it. Yeah, he shook things up and he wanted to, he had a formula. He wanted to get he had a formula he wanted, he had the pod system, he changed the system to four captains picks, Watson wanted to change it back to two captains picks. It felt like he wanted to be as little involved as possible in deciding the team, which I think, I just don't think he was the kind of guy that was going to go bold. Like, how satan, when he was captain, he was a terrible captain and put fill and tiger together because that's what

the crowd wanted to see literally what he said like he's the kind of guy that would go bold and just to throw some ego into it and really pick his true instinct guys I think Watson went with the least controversial and safest picked purposely I just I think that's kind of how I seen the way he's handled the entire captain process yeah and that's probably of how I see the way he's handled the entire cap and process. Yeah, and that's probably my fault for not really understanding Tom Watson in person. But I guess I was coming from, he could go out on a limb and probably get a bit more leeway from the media and... Yeah, he's got the color of the clock then right and that's why I was thinking

well maybe leverage yeah that but yeah you're right you know maybe that's his personality and again maybe it works out in the US wins and I'll admit I was wrong happily but that well can we just glad that he didn't take schnaderk or though yes I saw yeah a little week ago I thought he was going to take schnaderk or I think I thought I was going to be able to go. I thought he was going to take the medic, or I thought he was going to take him. I thought the suits from MasterCard were going to have some of the things like that. To be honest, I don't want to have the medic, or the T-in. T-in was bothered, like, I don't know, man. I don't like this whole pre-shar routine.

I guess he's...I don't know. I watched him at Medina in person. It was awesome. It was awesome. It was awesome. No one loved it really. He was just absolutely bombing the ball. It really did elevate it. I think he will.

I think he will play fine. The one I'm worried about most is Web. I got a question for you guys. How is Team Kim over there, the US, without Kat on the Oh, I don't know how much that matters. I don't know how much any team chemistry matters. You don't think those things have an, have an tiger like, I mean, he obviously doesn't have a good record of the Ryder Cup. For you.

Honestly, I think everything I've heard about pyro, be like, I think you'd be like a fun guy to hang out with. I think he, I think you's a fun guy to hang out with. I think he's a good example of help chemistry. I feel like he's just tiger around, guys, kind of just defer to him kind of owning the locker room, and he just adds the whole element almost distraction level to it. I mean, anyone you pair with him has got to really have experience playing with Tiger. To just deal with that, his aura that still exists, whether for better or for worse at this point, and just the extra attention that comes with playing with him, I think that it's just a whole another distraction.

And I don't think it's that big of a coincidence. But one team he wasn't, hasn't been on in the last 15 years was the team that won. I think it's a, if he's going to not be in true tiger form, like peak tiger form, I'd rather not have him on a team to be on it. All right, I got a couple of pairings for you all. Tell me if you like these or not. I'm putting Pat Reed with speed, just unbridled competitiveness

just melt your face off like I like it and then I'm also putting Zach Johnson with Bubba I can see that I mean but where are you going to put Web then? I mean Web, that's Web's specific role

is to play with Bubba That's it Web You can almost put Zach in Pat Reader I mean, Web, that's Web's specific role is to play with Bubba. Oh, shit, Web. You can almost put Zach in Pat Reader, Zach in Speef Together, too. I'm like, a little bit tricky. I feel like Zach in Bubba, you put him together and like that alternate shot. Am I crazy for taking Pat Reader to be heard

and not be playing on the steam in a few weeks? He doesn't seem to kind of guy that would bow out. I think he's going to try to play with us, few weeks. He doesn't seem to kind of guy that would bow out. I think he's going to try to play with us, and he can't explain to me how he fell apart that badly last few weeks. I mean, that's a big level out. Two or three days. Yeah, he played it all for the first day.

But you know, he didn't think he broke power, did he? Yeah, he shot a bunch of things. You know, you didn't think he broke power, did he? Well, you get any shot. Let's see. He's the guy, I can't wait to see how he plays. Because there's a big part of me that thinks, I think he's going to be, I hope he picks it in. Yeah, I hope he does, too. I really do.

I hope his form, I hope his form will let him. I still kind of like the guy. I like his confidence. He did shoot 67 and the found guy. I like his confidence. He did shoot 67 and found that. I didn't see that. So he actually beat me head for the event. He bowed back, you know. What is the liability?

Yeah. There's too many question marks. And I just, every time I try to talk myself into it, I, I, I, there's just not enough guys playing well. And Bob was going to be the talk to myself into it. There's just not enough guys playing well. Bob was going to be the ringleader of this team. I thought he could help us all. That's just a bad look for America as a whole. I got a question. How was Bob to the caddies in the team chemistry

and the comrade, even like a team room? Like, to the caddies just kind of hanging out on their own or how does that work at a team competition like this? No idea. I don't think they're hanging out in the team room. Yeah, I probably, I don't know. That would be a good question. We should try to find the answer to that. I want to be a little bit more, but here's what I want to, I would love to use that ping pong table in the team. It might be the only time there's any close matches going on this week.

Yes, that's good. It's not lack pop on the ping pong table. Apparently he's going to beat. Really? He's like a former standout tennis player. Yeah. He's just a country club's divot. I'll tell you what my dream is My dream is to have Kevin not playing on a US writer company on foreign soil. That would be just that would be the highest drama

The high theater have a knock in the people that want to share i love i love here not watching together it was awesome oh my god yeah

so i don't know yeah i'm frustrated i was just hoping to see some new folks, but I'm frustrated that they're not playing well. I mean, it's just been a pretty bad fight. Hey, man. I mean, maybe it's, you know, what? Two and a half, three weeks away. I mean, that's like a streak in and of itself. Like, somebody's got, you know, a lot of these guys, you know, especially the ones that aren't deep in the FedEx Cup cut, like if they're not, you know, both in top

point, I'm sure, you know, they're going to be gearing up for this. You know, that's why I think it was ridiculous to the tour of the play for Nero, the FedEx Cup, and then you got the rider cup. That's what? Yeah, that's Rickles' whole thing. It's the last two things two years ago too. Didn't he get him to take a week off two years ago? Or am I in a fight?

I think so. I don't know. I had no problem with this WD. I know that was great. I did have a problem with Keegan WD. I'm tired of these guys getting padded on the back for calling something on themselves that they should have called during the round. Like, can you break?

Yeah, that's golf. Yeah, that's golf. You got subsequent information though, didn't you? Like a fan later told him he saw the ball bounce out of the pitch mark or something. I think he knew that at the time. What happened? I wonder what happened. It's like Scantran Gala. That was bad. That was really bad. You just throw a week and you ain't saying anything?

Well that's the thing is, I think Matt Jones is playing partner with one that kind of called him on it. And he denied it. He denied that he had intense, he came with on a putt. And like asked the round Like what's his name? Jones and Challenger, but all I'm going off memory here That's something that's maybe wrong, but after the round Jones asked him about it Like look, it looked like you with on that putt and Kim said no then five days later He said yeah, there was intent like that. That's what's got you that what happens to you

I think you want to get the hell out of town I got all the gun. That was a convenient reason why reason to get out. Like dad was dad already had the the jet gasped up and that was awesome. That's easier. He told Keegan we're gone. We're leaving. So just please leave in the list. I'm going to flip out. I'm going to flip out. If Watson plays, I'm going to flip out. I don't know, man. He's one A1 in his vehicle. He's one A1 in his vehicle.

That's everything I hear from Tom. This is Phyrrach Redemption here. What he's been building for. He said this circular calendar is two years. He's got a lawyer, man. This is his battle. He's putting the best he's ever putted, I think. He's putting lights out. I think he's on the... I think he's putting lights out I think he's on the I think he's

a man on the mission. Well there's not going to be a fit in 36 holes a day if they're going to send him out for two sessions. I mean there's just not enough daylight over there. There's not enough 5 hour energies to get it through the mouth. I don't know. I mean I guess reason easy wraps right now if it is like you is I think I think we're gonna be ready to. I don't see how you, I mean, yeah, is anyone at risk of getting the Andrew Coltart treatment and John Van Develle to be in bench for the first two days and only going out for single?

Yeah, I mean, who are we sitting then? I mean, I would, I'd have a hard time sending readout right now. Because you know, feeling Keegan are playing together, right? I mean that's almost guaranteed now. I think Keegan, I think I like football. Well, I think so, yeah, can we feel Keegan, Bubba, and Webb, can we fill Keegan, Bubba, and Webb? Cooture in some capacity, ZJ in some capacity, and Tyler and Spee, it'll be the first eight out, in my opinion. Ooh, Tyler Spees duo would be really tasty.

Is that like, is that like, putting too many eggs in one basket, though? Those maybe are, could be our two best players in the whole event. Do we want to pair them together? Whoa, rewind. Did you see DJ? No, DJ.

Zach. Z-J. DJ. Zachary. OK. He's taking the pledge. I can't. I can't.

I can't do a exacting culture pairing. I don't know. I'm really excited to see speech play. I think you could put speech with anybody. I do. Well, what's your guy's strategy? I'm Neil, I'm curious to hear your strategy on the West Coast. I mean, so for me, Central Times, then it comes on a 1.30 a.m. Like, I'm literally coming home from work Thursday afternoon, taking some of my cool passing out for as many hours as I can, waking up at 1, starting the coffee and watching through the morning.

I heard you were boycotting because... Because the other time... Yeah, my boy-marking mark didn watching through the morning. I heard you were boycotting because you started on the scene. Yeah, my boy Marky Mark didn't make the cut. I thought that's where the cat took pictures. Since because he were represented America, really embodies the Teddy Roosevelt. He walks quietly with a big stick. Kind of just me and his around the golf course

looking like Mark Wellward. Anyway, I think what times does it start for you, Scott? I'm just me and his around the golf course looking like Mark Wellward. Anyway, I think what times does it start for you, Scott? 130 for me, it will be 11.30 for you. Yeah, then that's just prime time. I'll just stay up, probably with Paul, I roommate, and you know, we'll probably be very engaged on the social media. It could be cold beer involved. I don't know. You know, we'll have to see. I was going to say, you almost have to, like, those big events with Twitter now, it's so much fun to be on Twitter and watching live.

It's like, yeah, like college football. I can't believe that. I did it in the first screen. The second screen is, yeah. It's a bench all these days. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's no option but I don't watch it live. This is the first year it's been live when they're in Europe.

Hmm. I can tell you. I've said like four years ago, but I don't know. I also just go back to the parents for a second. I think that I'd like to see Watson tear some of the older guys with the older guys and the younger guys with the, like I'd like to see Fowler and Speast together, right?

And I'd probably like to see like ZJ play with somebody that like, like, may hand, right? Somebody that's older. I don't know why. I just want to see the young bucks try to ball out together because it's almost like all these older guys have it one shit so I know that's what I'm saying let's see what these guys can do now like and put them together and see if they can rally like you know because usually like you put key game with fill like they have like a mentor right like they did their tinder yeah like speech was with stricker back at the president's cup and

didn't play that well i mean what eighteen but it's like i'm just like i'm not not really they can

like only you know basically they got a ride together i think ricky might be our number one player yeah i agree uh... i'm on board the a good talk about what I wrote in the recap? What do you guys think? Why did they decide the teams as early as they do? What's the point? Like, why couldn't they have waited for this year?

They may get legit things and stuff straightened out. Yeah, you know, somebody had the adg on top of the reddit. I thought this was genius though. Watch and ship taken stricker and bought himself a extra couple weeks until stricker backed out with a tip injury. Yeah, I'm sure there are ways around it. Like, he could just take him tiger too.

Like, even a tiger said he didn't want to play. Yeah. I don't know either. I'm sure Todd's right. I'm sure logistically, it makes life much easier for guys coordinating schedules. But it just- Just to pay the end, I should do.

You're gonna get- It does seem a bit strange, but yeah, I don't know. That's another interesting wrinkle about horseshoes, though, too, is his wife's due, I think, right around Ryder Cup time. Like, would he even made the trip? Hmm. I don't think- I don't think that's interesting. I would give birth over in the UK.

You can't fly in your third trimester. Or do we send like frock into the deliverer as is frock to you? That's a serious conundrum. I think of course, I'm going to be around for Ryder Cup, but literally could be the birth of your first child or your first Ryder Cup. That's a really hard decision. By the way, I just got to get this out of my system. I think alternate shots sucks. I think that's it.

Great transition. That's just tough. Let me put on my flame retardant clothing here, Toronto, before you drop a tape like that. We were watching all of this in a shot. I was saturday. That was just the most mediocre viewing experience in person. Well, Brendan, you got four guys out there and each one of them

hidden you know one or two shots on most of the whole you know one shot on some of the whole two shots but it's like there wasn't any golf being played there's only five groups out on the course there's four groups out on the course yeah well man, this is not what I call him. Well, you're telling me that watching Brendan the young and Brendan Grace tee up for alternate shot in the president's cup was not exhilarating. False or true. You have a dude. I followed Jason Day and Graham Delittle around, like half a turn there.

So, yeah. It's time to nationalize Jason Day. He needs to be American. He needs to be on the next writer cup team he needs to be sponsored by Jason Kelly Jason Jason died although he's a little brittle man to get the job there to say lax pop

in the jettin the egg app you can see it hey, should we end on some quick general FedExCup thoughts yeah yeah, I want to hear your take on building a true playoff. So I got a couple ideas, right?

I got a couple ideas. The one that came to me the other day was why not make the tour championship? Keep it top 32. Make it totally match play. Have your top eight seeds and then do random draws for eight groups of four guys, do round robins, essentially just like the FIFA World Cup. So you have eight pools, everybody plays everybody, and then you get 16 guys advancing somehow, maybe top two from each pool i guess then

those things i play knockout down to a champion you know you can do the semi-finals six holes or whatever that's a lot of golf so maybe that's not feasible but they just got spiced up this you know thirty two players stroke plate to a championship is is boring like this time here the Web.com playoffs are much more intriguing and entertaining to me.

I know the FedEx kind of play-offs are nothing. You can't bring people in if you're having to do math involved still in the final tournament. If you want to be a playoff like how did be a playoff I'm fine with like you know staggering up to the 32, you know person thing like you're saying I think maybe you give the top guys morbid advantage like a buy sometimes. I don't know how you do the math on that without playing it out myself Yeah, you can do it like a double buy. Yeah, you can you can you know rig the the bracketing that gives incentives But yeah, I think like just a match player that just the two championship as is just really lacks pop

I like I did take it every year and I've been like one Five years. It's just there's only there's only 15 groups in the course But it's time you get to Saturday like, you know, I have to feel it is like, there's playing out of stringed like 25 and half-bossed the lead like you guys, like I remember one of your tiger, I saw a tiger around and like, you know, Saturday morning, the dude was like, he pulled out that wig, Todd. Yeah, he was like 20 shots off the lead. like with you like you like

and and and and and and and and

and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and I don't think it was around Halloween, but I think there was something going on with that.

But it leads into my other point. I don't know how you guys feel, but the Web.com playoffs are actually really awesome. Those guys are playing for their livelihoods. I think the best thing on that is not the WebDAR Congress that made that because they already have the top 25% or 30% of their calls. Yeah, I'll ask R2 you to get that gangster battlefield extension. But it's like, it's the guys like Trevor Imelmond. Like to do the one, this event last year, it was like Trevor Imelmond trying to do it.

I think Soniel knew one one. Yeah, they throw the two guys back into the, to the show. Yeah. My problem with it though is like, you know, those last few spots are what makes it compelling. Like, who got their card and who got left off. But if you're making it to bottom of that barrel,

you're not getting any in any tournament. So like, you think there's 125 people that retain their card, then you have all the people with the medical exemptions, then you got people using their lifetime exemptions, their career money list exemption, and then you go to the priority list coming off the web.com. And you're coming off there and you're 40th on the priority list, you're not getting in the moral tournament, you're not getting in Quail Hollow, you're not getting in the moral tournament, you're not getting in Quail Hollow, you're not getting in those terms because those are imitations, that's it.

I mean, but you're getting in, I think they got enough early season events, like you can get into, you can get into the Bob Hope. Yeah, I mean, but you get into Tori. You don't have to Sony. You can't go playing Hawaii. Yeah, you can get into Tori because they have a big field with that one. Right. If I'm saying it's like, it's not that great of a break.

Like the guys that, you know, break through near the top and are able to get in all these tournaments. Are the guys that really earned something in order for someone to watch the following years? I just feel like, I just hate the system as it is. I don't Twitter about that all week. I just can't stand it. I don't enjoy it at all. Yeah, I guess the job is a bit. Yeah, it's a bit manipulated maybe, but I think it's better than going to Q-school and you know an arbitrary six rounds on a resort course and out of

Florida or Arizona or Palm Springs. I agree with that. This is a more equitable way to do it. The love of Q-school for me though, is you could literally, like I could walk into the local Q-school club, like you or I or anybody could walk up the street and get a PGA tour card for the next year. But now you have to go through the web.com

and you know, they're different groups you can jump through. I'm curious to see through the web.com and you know they're different groups you can jump through. I'm curious to see what the percentage of guys that are retaining their cords now, the key scroll route. That would be it. Yeah. Well I mean I just feel like some guys don't need to do a year on the web.com tour. Like speech is an exception to the rule like he took his whatever he sponsors exemptions and earned enough money to earn special temporary membership on the tour kept at with that route as well he got special temporary

membership but he didn't win so he couldn't make his way to the fact that I get the win to even make it into the playoffs for some reason you could not explain to me uh what probably did that too, right? Kind of, I think a couple years ago, he never actually had his PGA tour card. Really? I didn't know that. I don't think he never counted that guy out though. Yeah, but Holly was one of those guys.

It was like Tiger, then Holly and Speed, the people who have never gone through what was Q-school. But there are enough guys that have gone through Q-school that have come on the tour in one. Like Stanley's one and everybody's boy John Hath did it. I guess that was just the most recent examples I could think of. I feel like it would be a lot more of a chance to make the tour rather than this mandatory. You got to do a year of traveling to Boise and you know Northville.

I mean you got to be a dude though. You know you know. I mean if you're looking at the game. Keegan went out and like he played, he did not play well for the majority of the years first year in the web.com. And then he had like a four tournament stretch where you finish top five, I think four and four weeks in a row didn't you? Something you won.

Yeah, I mean, sure guys. Yeah, it makes sense. It's really good. You know, I could say you're dues, but like for the top guy, like, I'm like Kebka, like if he doesn't want to go, I'm not saying he thinks he's too good for this, I mean, just like, I'm going to go play in the year, but I'm not going to go to Columbia and Panama. We have to be at the least. That's the point.

Think about it from a business standpoint for the poor. To build out the minor lease like that, that gets golf more exposure, like different tournaments. Like if the Q school will close off, I mean, that can be wrong about that. What you think, like making the web.com for very competitive over the course of the year and then doing these playoffs Like that grows the game that's more revenue on and on. They're going to boys They're going to you know, which it's all wherever these tournaments are like off the beaten track So that you know Prog that or exposure. I think part of it too is I mean I guess one of my issues with the web tours it

don't the majority of these tournaments like 85 or 90% of these tournaments favor dudes that can just take it insane super low yeah so I think it you know it's really it really penalizes some of the guys that are super steady you know that play better on tough tracks and you know kind of grind where you know you've got some guys where you know you've got some guys that you know once they get out on tour I feel like they're they're better equipped to play well in the Bob Ho Christler Classic or in Humanity Challenge or they call it. Yeah totally agree with that but I just can't sign

onto a system that it's gonna encourage the best the truly best young American players to go take their talent to Europe like you line and test kiss should be playing in the United States I can't I can they know that they know that the better options It's like I'm gonna go make a lot more money playing actual real professional golf in Europe I'm not doing a lot of real professional golf that's that's the next best things the PGA towards European tour So yeah, so if it's really improving the web.com to give you more notoriety, those guys would be going across the pond. Well, last year, you do here, you do here rumblings of guys because what they're doing, then

they can get into the WGC events. You know, you can build road ranking. Right. And then get into the WGC, then you have a good week at a WGC. Especially if you're here, too of that. I think they really do anything in the WGC and you have a good week at a WGC. Especially your year mate. Two of that, I think they didn't really do anything in the WGC. Like they got into the catalog championship

and they didn't like, you know, I didn't play well. But just being there, you earn a shitload of points. Like you earn money. But like last place gets like $60,000 of the WGC. And that's world ranking, you can possibly imagine. So you can find a last place to move up in the world ranking. A lot of people just getting into them, it's a huge key, I guess, is free money. I mean, Dong Chai and JD's made a career out of it.

Strong Chai. Strong Chai. strong try. Big unit, happy product. We can only hope that the big unit can follow over. Maybe we just need to end what's the big unit update. I started really strong this season and then after the optimization the reach around schedule he really kind of peaked. Yeah, and that's not good. Yeah, that's not good for the rest of the year.

You know, I don't think the HSDC written, like, just triple circulators calendar. You know, I can't wait for those prime time Asian events man. I get a great, oh my god those are so good. In the Royal Troopie. Yeah, on the Royal Troopie. We're three weeks away from the Ryder Cup. We're talking about the Royal Troopie. I think we're done.

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