No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 800: Arnold Palmer Happy Hour

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

Back with our High Noon Happy Hour Live Show, we preview the week at the Arnold Palmer Invitational, chat about Bay Hill, some API trivia, and discuss field sizes. Plus news, comments, laughs and more. Cheers! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club today. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the all new super hyped designated signature elevated Bay Hill happy hour show presented by our friends at high noon. Solly here. DJ Pies here. Hello, Pie Man. Greetings, guys. Great to be with you for another, another spin around Bay Hill.

I can't wait to talk about it. Randy, great to see you, dude. How are you? Cheers to you boys. Great, great to be here. Miss, that is the voice of Mr. Big Randy as well. Cody is running the ones and twos. As mentioned, we are introducing the all new High Noons

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guys have everything. Guys, I can't be the only one that's just feeling the energy right now. This this this signature event just feels different than every other week on tour That's the big takeaway I have heading as we on the eve of the start of the bay hill invitation. I'm sure you guys feel the same way You know what? I'm not I'm not going there again. I'm not letting them drag me down to that level That's exactly where I'm at. That's if and I would never tell anybody else how to feel. If you feel that way, you're so like, absolutely justified in that feeling. This, the last two-ish years of professional golf

have been a disaster. If you wanna check out, I completely understand that. Weirdly, Solly, I have a tinge of enthusiasm for this week. And I think some of that comes from Bay Hill, either accidentally or on purpose Kind of developing I was thinking about a little bit more today Kind of developing a little bit more of like an identity and it has kind of separated itself a little bit from the Mr. Palmer Fest though, of course that will still exist

But I think what I think about when I think about Bay Hill over the last couple years It's just like a true carnage festival. They lose the greens Hill over the last couple years. It's just like a true carnage festival. They lose the greens. They grow up the rough, like crazy guys, like low key won't say it, but like kind of hate it. How like heart it gets. And of course, Randy, to me, that's, I'm like, what have we been asking for? And so I, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to pour any water on this one. I'm actually excited to watch at least Sunday afternoon.

Am I going to be locked in all day, Thursday, Friday, Saturday? Probably afternoon. Am I going to be locked in all day Thursday, Friday, Saturday? Probably not. You know, saved it at the end there. You flipped it at the bottom there a little bit there. Brandy, are you where do you stand on that? I'm a lot more excited than I was two minutes ago. I'll tell you that. I think my guy absolutely nailed it.

Just, you know, going back to Tiro Hatton's win in 2020, where he was four under par, low scores, or I should say high scores, that always messes me up, you know, low iron, high iron. But difficult scoring conditions, which, Deed, you're exactly right. If I call for him as much as I call for him, it would be disingenuous to not praise progress and to offer a heartfelt congratulations and thank you where it's deserved. And that's kind of what Bay Hill is now. And so I'm right there with you. I thought that was beautifully put. I just wish Bay

Hill as a golf course just had like something interesting about it. That's just where I can't get all the way there. It just is like, there's no juice with the course. That's where I kind of find, like, what I rather it play really difficult firm than soft, like, of course, like, I can't, you know, flip on everything I say about every other week, but at the same time, like Bay Hill, not an architectural masterpiece. So the firmness and the setup doesn't bring out the best of it. Like it really agree. Does it like make it that much more interesting to watch other than it being

like almost so bad, it's good. Like, I, yeah, is it kind of funny to just watch? I couldn't have said it better, but yeah, I think there's a spot for that. Yeah, I truly do. I mean, this, what this, this golf course had maybe the most help of any golf course on the planet from one man like Tiger Woods like made this tournament worth watching and made it exciting And then like when the tiger pulled away, I was kind of like oh, no Is this is this course a disaster like I think it kind of is and the rough keeps getting thicker the greens keep getting firmer And it just it's my least favorite kind of setup though is narrow fairways thick rough firm greens

where there's also thick rough around the greens and When you get a position you just bang it onto the green and let it roll two feet over the green and chip back on It's it's you know, not the best test of skill yet at the same time You know, there's a lot of great memories. I think the back nine on Sunday Usually this tournament is very an enjoyable time Do I think the Thursday through Saturday route of getting there is anything like the most recent signature event we saw? No, I think it's opposite inspection for me. Yeah, that's good. I think that's where I'm coming from. Randy, you know, we you and I were talking about this at spring training a little bit. It's all about it's all about

expectations, I think. And I would encourage everybody to set your expectations. If you want to watch five hours of golf on Thursday and then be all pissed off and be tweeting at people and ruining your day, that's on you, man. You go do that if you want to do that, but we all know how that's going to end. I'm choosing the positivity here and I'm going to be excited for a Sunday afternoon of hopefully a shootout or at least a survival test.

Lord willing. Yeah, yeah, I know. So you say, hey, everybody hits it on, it rolls over to like, we're just asking some different questions. I'm not sure if they're the wrong questions to be asking, they're just different. It's been nine semesters now. Nobody's ever solved that question. It's impossible. It's impossible. Awful golf hole. It's not good. I don't even know what the best, quote, unquote, snooty pushing my glasses up my nose hole at Bay Hill would be. None of them are great, but... Two. Two is kind of sick. Two is cool. Yeah, I agree with that. But yeah, I mean, you get it, hopefully the big names and you get them kind of put through this like stress test. And I mean,

I think we've all heard stories of guys like when they walk off the 72nd hole of this tournament and they get back in that locker room, like they're fried after this week. And some of the talk around the Honda of guys like skipping because they're like, no, just like Bayhills, like so hard, like so hard. Like we're not going to play it, even though it's in our backyard, just because Bay Hills so hard is like, ooh, okay. All right, I see, I see you guys.

I see what you're doing. Well, I liked that they're kind of forced to play it too, right? I mean, you have to, they had to ease up on Honda to actually get people to play it. It's like, Bay Hills, like, no, it's going to be hard. And you got to be here. Like you essentially got to be here.

It's $20 million. You cannot skip this one. So, Solly, let me ask you a question and DJ you, of course, but I'll pose it to Solly. What, Bay Hill's standing, right? That it continues to be a host for a designated signature event. How would you place, if we were making like a pie chart

or a pie graph, how much of that is based on Bayhills Merit as a golf course? How much is based on Mr. Palmer and how much is based on like Tiger Woods winning what, eight times here and being like one of his most successful courses? I would put like I put 33% of it based on Arnold Palmer 33% based on Tiger Woods and the other 33% based on a combination of the two and 0% on on Bay health. Does it does it need to be is it is it like this point in the calendar? Does it have to be a signature event or is it just purely like Mr. Palmer and Mr. Woods? Again, what is a signature event now? I wanted these events.

I feel so different than I did a year ago at this time leading up into these. They felt a little different. They had a different energy. They had a different excitement level and it just seems like we're kind of all mailing it in. I mean, I, I, I, it's a so, such a predictable week. I'm going to log in. I'm going to see the PGA tour, tweet the Arnold Palmer driver off the deck shot. Like I've seen that 85 times, but like that's like how you get hype for like, I'm at the point of saying like, dude, Liv does a better job like in the lead up to their events of on social media of like making like drawing some interest for the tournament

Like there's been just almost nothing so far to this point I mean, I don't know like Phil like they do a lot of redemption They do like the Bryson miked up full round content, you know that comes out Phil Doing stuff on there. I don't know. There's just like fill things Cuz some by I don't know there's a little bit. It just doesn't seem like the players are buying in or whatnot. You're not making this distinctive enough for fans to be able to like clearly. Like if you were to explain to another person that's not a huge golf fan, like what makes a signature event different than a regular one, what would your case be?

If they play for more money. OK, cool. Like we've proven that that doesn't really. Well, the Aon next 10 and the Aon swing five are there. Yeah, I think that's close. And that's when people were running down the streets. We're yelling that earlier. I had to close my windows. Good comment here for Colty.

We are getting a phone call from the, from the tour down the street. That, you know, that, that take was a little, little too. I will edit it out of the podcast to make sure the checks come in. But no, I think, I think the crux of your point is is a good one of you can't like Duck tape these changes together or kind of spit shine You know some procedural things and think that it's gonna make a big difference in the eyes of of fans I think our guy our guy will easy and I'm not picking on him for this take But he had to take late that I think we're gonna get to later in the show about how

You know the his point Quibble with the numbers Was that like there's 70 players in the field 69 shout out to your guy Milton not playing There's 69 guys in the field this week and he was like well There's you know, there's 70 guys here and I bet casual fans could name 65 of them and if you have 15, like they're still gonna only name those 65, which I get what you're saying, but what I would really like to drill down into is like,

nobody's naming those 65, man. There's maybe five, maybe 10. And we're gonna try. We're gonna try, but I think that's the point is like, just because you make it just, like you gotta do so much dramatic overhaul to really make this feel different if you're just doing the same week over week over week, you know, kind of kind of circus and I don't know, we've talked like offline about this a little bit.

And what I keep coming back to is like, you just it's going to be so uncomfortable to rip this bandit off. But like, dude, you just got to admit that there's two different tours. And you And it off, but like, dude, you just got to admit that there's two different tours. And you. Did he freeze for you, Randy? Oh, wow. Pona Viedra. They tracked him down in the logging. We have said too much.

Yeah, that's tough. That is one of the hardest freezes I've ever seen. I believe the point he was getting ready to make was, was, you know, that there's two tours, right? There's this elevated tour and the rest of the tour. But the problem has been... We're talking the PJ Tour. Not talking live PJ Tour, but of course, PJ Tour separate categories here. Of course.

But also to say like, we need, this is not a hot take. You need some of these stars to step the fuck up. Like there's been none of these dudes have done anything so far this year and it's really hard to imagine like Scotty no real close calls Rory no real close calls and or Victor whatever can't lay Ludwig speed more a cow just kind of going down the odd sheet of like dudes that just haven't done anything so far this year that can all change right if we get guys, the whole point of these kind of trim fields is to try to increase the chances that these a few of these guys are going to go head to head and give us a

classic, you know, back nine Sunday, like I that's that's the one thing we're holding out hope for this week. So well, I will just piggyback on that and say, you know, it's I totally hear the point DJ was making about the two tours, but where, where it loses a little bit of the steam for me recently has been solid. Just what you were saying, like the, the supposed stars that are on the PGA tour aren't separating them. Like they aren't no doing anything. And so in my mind, I'm like, are there really two, like if there are, shouldn't these guys be like lifting and separating and showing that they are a clear cut or two above like the rest of this mule pack and I don't see it and so I It's it's it's not a great situation

Is reporting that he got kidnapped I did his power went out for those of you blaming AT&T We are not putting the blame on AT&T for that one but he can dial in your phone. He got the The service will use StreamYard is very good for our guests now They have a new app so any guests can dial in whenever they want sweet showing improvements here. That's good to know This guy might win by 12 this week though If if he's putting this into play I've seen you know the the images we saw on the putting green He had a mallet putter Scottie Schaeffler

Finally trying the mallet after Rory put them on blast on live to actual broadcast say that needed to try a putter Different putter or maybe try a mallet and I don't know if he's putting it actually in play this week But that just something to watch there because this course obviously fits him He's won here It is going to be a it is ball hitters only this week from the reports We've heard the rough is up as thick as ever and the greens are wildly firm Like it is truly a ball strikers only kind of situation which makes me think we are going to get a big winner this week Which is great. I think that's what we have all been waiting for begging for is Scotty

Like let's just try something different that the status quo has not been working So kudos for him. We'll be keen to see if he's game in that come tomorrow odd sheet Scotty Sheffler the favorite plus 700 Rory's at plus 900 Xander and Victor sharing at plus 1600 we have Cantlay and Ludwig at plus 1800 Ludwig gets a lot of respect in the odds if I may say Spieth more a cow a plus 2200 Cam young Tommy lads Sam Burns plus 2500 Max Homer and JT plus 2800 if I'm Sam Burns actually I'm a little bit upset about being plus

2500 with with cam young and Tommy who have not won on the PGA tour and Sam Burns has won a lot great I know you're thinking that Randy. I just wanted to get that in there for sure. Yeah Home and JT plus 2800 fits J day and Zal Taurus plus 3000 been on and men will leave plus 4,000 lot of people upset at us that we nobody drafted men Mooli in our draft on our recap pod this past Sunday that nobody drafted Min Mooli in our draft on our recap pod this past Sunday projecting out for the next six years Hideki plus 45 under Jake Knapp Harris English Corey Connors Adam Scott plus 5,000 you taking that you taking that group as a whole Randy or the field? I think that's probably an easy question. I will take that group. I think I was just gonna say too is it I

I admittedly don't know Hideki's is it I Admittedly don't know Hideki's Course or tournament history here off the top of my head, but him being plus 4500 is a little surprising just because The last time all of us saw him. He was hitting the shit out of the ball at at the Genesis His last five years Randy T33 T56 T18 T20 cut. He performs below his expectation of what you would expect him from a Strokes gained perspective. That is of course courtesy of our friends at DataGolf that have outstanding course history tools among many other options available for you there. So,

there we go. 69 Manfield. Why are we doing what? Nick Dunlap is playing by himself for the first two days? Like, are we, we couldn't have gotten one more guy in there? I don't think that would have hurt things. I get it. Maybe you do another sponsors exemption. Give us an even number of players in this field. There's got to be. Yeah, I agree with you 100% Sally. It seems completely ridiculous. But the, I'll say this, these, I want to ask you a question. Do you think the 70 number has worked so far this year? Like are you still dead set on that these limited field events, no cuts? I understand this one has a cut just like

Tigers does just like Jackson's gonna vote. Are you still dead set on this because 70 feels like too little still? I think it needs to be 90, 100, something like that. It still feels way too small. Dr. Justin Marchegiani-T So much for Thursday Friday. It really does between, you know Everyone on the field's got to start on one of the other sides throughout it Like that really did add to Genesis. I thought and the way Genesis flowed. I thought was great I mean they had more than 70 guys in it, but a cut of you know, whatever it is top 50 plus anyone within 10 shots I forget exactly what it is. That's exactly how I think these things should be. I was not a fan of no cut I mean if you're playing horrible like truly way way off the pace and you're not the top 50 out of 70 guys going into the weekend, like

send them packing. That's totally fine. I don't think there's anybody missing from this field. I still don't other than Taylor Gooch. Like I just don't think, you know, the next name on the list is that I'm Tony. I don't know why he just, you know, doesn't want to go to Orlando or something. It's too tough golf course too tough Which is that the system's fine No, sorry we had an electric electrician showed up a month early He's like we're supposed to work down like a month later. I was like, all right You're not gonna like cut the power, right? It's like, no definitely not

So here we are apologies for the inconvenient no, sorry I was getting ready to ask you a question on behalf of the audience because of course I know the answer to this But why why are there only 69 players this week? Have they exhausted all of the lists and the qualifications? What how have we gotten to 69 I? Don't have the answer off the top of my head and if I could get it for you It would spoil a game We're gonna play a little later probably of where I would look inside the field But how it kind of essentially how it works is if you're a part of the a on swing five

Yet if you've won you're already exempt into this I believe and if that also puts you way up the list on the AON swing 5. So if you're double qualified, it doesn't go to the next guy, which I think many people would probably say it probably should. I don't see why it wouldn't. Again, if we're this few players in the field, I think you can probably extend that. probably extend that. Again, I think there should be a really strong incentive. Like the exchange of value here for the mules, if you will, is like that, you know, if you're going to sign off on this new system, that there's going to be opportunity to play into it. And you can't, you're not going to go wrong. It's not like it doesn't really serve the fans. But if you want to get this, get everyone kind of behind this plan, some throwing some

bones to the mules is going to help in that that regard so I don't see why you wouldn't slide down the a on five to get to get more guys into it Even if fans aren't gonna notice and it's not essential to your viewing like right part of still how this tour is run is you know Needing approval from a lot of guys. That's my take on it. So Do you guys want to play a little bit of Bay Hill trivia before we get to some news around the Around the golf world. I do. I love it. Let's do it before we do that This episode is brought to you by season 2 of Netflix's hit series full swing 2023 was yet again a year unlike any other in the world a professional golf and the full swing cameras We're there to capture it all from a controversial and divisive agreement between the PGA Tour

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He is not a past champion, DJ, over to come on, give me a for the record. Robert Cody, Cody and Randy for those listening on the pod. Cody and Randy got the first one right. They're doing the physical mannerisms here. We're audio also. Thank you. Come on. Tom Kite, did he ever win the Bay Hill

it has to have such a real time you did for sure sure yeah twice he did hell yeah pain Stewart mmm yes no all right now I'm now I'm gaming the test we went yes no yes are we back to know I'm gonna say yes I'm gonna I'm gaming the test. We went yes. No. Yes. Are we back to no? I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna break it 87 Raymond Floyd did he ever win the Bay Hill? I'm a station right now. We're going back to know we can have three straight. Yes. He did not that is correct We're so in his head, right? I know I'm five for five. Did Gary Coke ever win? You know Yeah, I'm gonna say yes. He did he wanted twice guys really? Yeah Did Gary Coke ever win? No You want to say yes, he did he wanted twice guys really? Yeah

Look rules. I we need we still need more coke. Just for coke. Yeah massive coke head Jack Nicholas That's interesting Hmm, I'm gonna say surely he would have won at one point. No, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say the time didn't work out. No. He did not win.

Did Arnold Palmer ever win the Bay Hill Invitational? Yes. That I'm going to say no. He did. I'm going to say yes. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Tom Watson.

Yes. Yes. No. No. He did not. Sorry. Tom Watson. Yes. Yes. No. No, he did not. Randy. Lee Trevino.

Yes. Yes. Early. Sure. Yes. He did. Charles Mitchell. Who?

Who? It's a made up name. Yeah, no. That's correct. Is this a Mitchell report guy? Yeah, he told me what's up now. Yes. Yes. All right.

We have nine trivia questions. Who designed Bay Hill? Starting easy and getting harder. Hmm. Thiege? Arnold Palmer and Ed C. I don't know. I literally have no idea.

George Fosio. Yeah, I think he just touched up some rooms. You got an answer, Cody? No, I have no clue. Okay. It's Dick Wilson for like 30. I was going to say that. God, like 25 years.

I assumed Arnold designed it. I was hoping one of you would follow to that trap as well. So you can what famous player won this event in the 80s and also lived on the 12th hole? Peter Jacobson. It's a really good guess, but it's not accurate. Matt, every who else in the 80s, in the 80s. Sounds like is this a zinger thing? Nope.

Oh, that's a good guess. Where'd Payne Stewart live? I'll worth, I think, unless it was him. I'll say Payne Stewart. Payne Stewart is. Hey, you're flying. You are killing it today 2003 Tiger Woods became lucky enough to be the first player since Gene Sarasen in the 30s to win the same tournament

Four years in a row. How many shots did he win by to win the fourth in a row? Six yeah, that's my guess six, okay I'm going to go seven just to take the lead. He started the final round five shots clear and was sick and throwing up in that final round and eaked out an 11 shot victory to win to win for the fourth time in a row. Wow. All right. These next two little dose of that at Riviera. These next two are really hard. I'm just going to say that. In 2008, Tiger Woods made a 25-foot putt on 18 to win by one. He famously spiked his hat onto the green.

It was his fifth win in a row on the PGA Tour. Who did he beat by one shot? Steve Marino. It's two of that. Yes. Too famous. Too famous. Tim Clark. Too famous. Way too. VJ year.

Bart Bryant. Oh, I did not. Revenge for the tour. I threw a couple of these in here only because I was like DJ used to work They've been this event a bunch. I'm sure he knows some of subscure trivia, but this doesn't make it easy I'm a lot of this information. What are your telephobes? Dige? When did you guys get married in Orlando? One of the best things about One of the best things about being rest in peace to the kill house. But, uh,

one of the coolest pictures that's in there is Dige, the picture that you took one morning walking around. I did not take, I did not take, no, uh, Michael Wolf, uh, a guy, lovely guy who, uh, which the PJ tour took a, an awesome, awesome photo of, uh, Arnold Palmer walking around Bay Hill that was not really allowed to be published anywhere. But it's, I don't wanna blow up his spot,

but it's very, very cool. If you ever see me in a bar, I'll pull it up for you. In 2009, Tiger made another 25 footer, this time in the dark to win by one shot again at Bay Hill. Who was the runner up that year? Was that Phil? I always thought it was and it's not. Comments are going a little like you're not going to get Phil.

Steve, Steve Stryker, a couple O'Hare Norman. Oh, Sean O'Hare. That's a good one. Sean O'Hare is Oh, Carlos. Good job. Carlos in the comments. Absolutely nailed it. I got it. You guys will get this one. So whoever answers this fastest wins. Who's the most recent player to win back-to-back

Arnold Palmer Invitational? Yeah, every. Matt Everry. Hadn't. Hadn't. Hadn't. Didn't win back-to-back. No, he's only won one. He's only won one PJ Torvitt. He contended. All right. Him and no one won one PJ Torvick attended.

All right. Him and Fran like so some of like familiar though, for sure. Three more to go in 1998. John Daly hit how many balls in the water on six and what did he make on the whole? I think he made like a 16. Yeah, I was gonna say 15. I want to say he made like 16. Yeah, I was going to say 15. So what would that be like? I'll say he hit like five balls in the water. Six balls. And he made a 15.

I'll say five and 16. Cody? I think it was higher than that. I want to say 18, but I don't know how many balls that would be. I'll go five and 18. Six and 18 is the answer. Oh. I see some of you guys, your strategy here is kind of waiting for the comments to start I'll go five and 18 Six and 18 is the answer. Oh I see some of you guys your strategy here is kind of waiting for the comments to start the start

Of course. I might need to I need to hide the comments here. Um comments You guys have no shot on this one, but uh this event had another name from 1966 to 1978 What was it or where was it played either one of those will count as a correct answer. You know what? We've got a podcast coming out about the 50th anniversary of the players championship and I need and Wolfie mentioned this and I can't freaking remember what it's called. I remember with this. I can't remember where it's out, but it used to be like the orange invitation or something like that.

It was played at the cricket. It's interesting. Now, Deej, that's two Michael Wolf references. Different people. Really? How about that? Guys everywhere. It is the Florida Citrus Open Invitational.

So I still don't know what an open invitational is, but. I was like that. That was played at Rio Pinar Country Club. And Gary Coke is the only one to have won it there and at Bay Hill. So that is a record will probably never be broken. Easiest one of them all will finish on a layup here. How many times has Tiger won at Bay Hill? Eight. Yeah. Eight.

Wrong. Nine times Tiger won the US Junior. Oh, I got it. Winning the Bay Hill invitation. Oh, come on! Oh, come on! Thank you. I don't know if people like the trivia or not. I love it. I love it. I'm weirdly bad at it. I thought I would have been better at some of these. All right. I mean, we, do you guys have a pick for this week?

I feel like that's kind of got to be a part of our happy hour previews. You have to lock in one pick to win. Can I I'm going to you're taking can't lay. I'm going to take Scotty. Mm hmm. Good picks. I'm going with Mr. Rory McElroy. I think this is when he turns it around here and runner up last year.

William Zalatoris is going to win this week. Love that. Balls, ball hitters only That is my my pick We wrapped up our Sunday pod a little we did we did on Sunday night and did not get a chance to give a shout to Austin Eckroat for winning the cognizant classic. He's making a fast rise Up up up the rankings. I guess you will in the in the golf world on the pga tour. I'm gonna give a shout out to him Liv is giving up withdrawn their application for owgr status. Um, I am uh,

Back when I was single I could make this joke, but you can't anymore. I've withdrawn my uh, my status on asking out insert hot Hot actress out here as well here. You can't fire me. I quit After getting rejected already they they have, they've now After seeing Bryson's appearance on the Fairway to Heaven podcast, we withdrawn our application. Yeah, stupid. This is making us look and we're, we're good actually. You know, I do the one thing that jumped into my mind because, uh,

one of our good friends on the LPJ site, Grand Boon, we're just talking about this last week together is that the Olympics use OWGR as their baseline. And I think further on down the line, that is going to have some big implications as live withdraws their bid for this over them getting into majors and everything else. That's a good point. I had not thought about that. I mean, is something gonna get resolved here or not this could be all over within the month anyways. You know, so. Well, obviously, sorry.

My follow up to that would be if this is gonna be all over then like, why did they have weird Z saying yesterday or two days ago that like live players are not playing in the president's cup that's gonna take place later this fall I Don't I mean like they're not going to be re they're not going to be bringing live guys back into the PJ toward this year Anyway, if it gets resolved or not, it's not going to be this year. It would be my expectation, right? So that would change nothing for this fall. Okay, it just sounded like it would be an easy time to be like Yeah, we're trying to figure some stuff out here and continue to work towards this

overall resolution that things are supposed to be continuing on and just doesn't sound any of that at all. We haven't heard any of that from anyone, and the boy I haven't heard from J, and forever. I mean, next week's presser is going to be, it's going to be interesting. Yeah. It's going to be, it's, I don't think we're going to get a lot of answers there either, but it will be interesting either way. Joachim Neiman also given a special exemption into the PGH. Can I, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Can you imagine, can you imagine any other sport that has seen X amount of its top players drawn to a different league altogether and Rob Manfred would not be available to the media. Adam Silver would not be like Roger Goodell. I just, I cannot

fathom in what world J. Monaghan's silence makes any sense whatsoever. It is such a whether it is or not the appearance of an Just an absolute abdication of leadership and it's it's really gross was no longer I hope that just of him. It's of the entire organization. Right exactly. I was gonna say can I can I can I counter that Randy to say? Maybe the last time they asked him to do it. He said this takes a competitor off the board Maybe the last time they asked him to do it, he said, this takes a competitor off the board. Maybe immediately raising some anti-trust concerns and how poorly June 6th went to say. Yeah, maybe we're better off not saying anything right now. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you big. It can't be overstated how when we look back at all this stuff, these aren't serious people 15 years from now, like how much of a bullet sponge

They've turned Rory into and all and honestly, I mean we talked about full swing a little bit earlier We did a whole podcast about it not spoiling anything But like you can see that all over Rory throughout the entire season of just like what it looks like and feels like to just Constantly be the guy that everybody's asking for an opinion on all of this stuff instead of the guy who gets paid to answer the questions Well, it's kind of like it's kind of like the sports washing question on the live side Like if there was a good answer for this stuff, we would have heard it by now, but there's not one right? So, you know, I if what's he gonna say like yeah Here's the state of our negotiations with with Piff like we're we're we're stonewalling on this so we can win this part of the battle.

Like, no, that's not what's going to happen. And I don't know. I don't know what the update would be at this point other than when you were asking for him to speak last year, or two years ago now at this point, the Canadian Open, and he went on TV and used the 9-11 Families, like that didn't go very well either. It just becomes this thing of like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is going to be here to answer any of these questions. Well, I'll say this. It's a they want to fashion themselves to be a multi-billion dollar organization. You're telling me that you had two years ago since that example that you just brought up that they haven't hired some fucking PR firm or had their chief communications officer or somebody out there fucking on the stump whipping whatever votes they possibly can because what's going on right now and like I understand and I feel

for Rory, I feel for Spieth, I feel for all of those guys but like now it's just the tour as a whole. It just stinks and silence is, is, is making it worse off. Dude, a, a not small part of me. Just like along those lines, like the tour stinks is kind of, I think about, maybe it just needs to shrink back down. Like tiger blew this whole thing up and made it way bigger than it ever was. And maybe ever needed to be and tigers not coming back.

Maybe it should shrink back down. Like maybe it, maybe we can't pretend that it's going to just continue to go up and up and up forever. We had a once in a not even a once in a generation talent, a once in a history of the sport talent kind of buoy things and blow it all out of proportion. They were not ready for that growth. They did not evolve in any way. They still this like small little kind of almost podunk little tour, you know, of just these individual host organizations kind of all merged together under one big thing with no real cohesive plan for how you how you actually come up with a schedule, how you actually set the structure of the league. None of that changed other than like creating this FedEx Cup thing that nobody has cared about for almost two decades now. So maybe it does either need to totally blow up and rebuild or just needs a shrink back down.

That's kind of where I'm at. I thought Jeff Shackleford, friend of the program, had a really good piece in Lynx magazine, I believe it was. I sent out a link to it on X website, formerly known as Skitter. And I think the headline was basically something like, why we don't need pro golfers. And that sounds like inflammatory, but he touched on a lot of this stuff. And it basically was like, look at the history of pro golf. It always swells and contracts and ebbs and flows

and Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. And now it's Tiger Woods. And like it just, it's really interesting. The way he framed it, and again, I would encourage everybody to go read it, is like, it's not one line of like how golf is going. There's always been two different lines where there is like how the pro game is going

and there's how the recreational going game is going. And for right now, it just feels like the pro game, I don't know if I can get the angles right. The pro game is like just going down and the recreational game is going up. And the more that what really resonated with me was the, the, that he said was like, the more these players conflate and confuse the idea that they are the game or they are bigger than the game, the stupider they look. Because go try to get a tee time right now and go ask if anybody cares about the a on swing five Right and like I don't know how to put it any clearer than that and so that's wrong with you is like maybe the whole thing

Just needs to get right sized but in order for that to happen Like some somebody with a checkbook has to stop telling these guys that they're worth to six hundred million dollars And it's hard when they're those checks are clearing so I don't know where I don't know where we go from here but it's hard when those checks are clearing. So I don't know where we go from here, but it's to piggyback on that, I think the What I'm most fascinated about is like right now we're in this little OWGR squabble and you know Can live get OWGR points and how are we gonna?

can live, get OWGR points and how are we going to... But it's like, guys, we've been doing this podcast for 10 years. And for the first, like, I don't know, five years before the idea of live even became a thing. Like the common thing that we would talk about when Tiger wasn't involved in winning majors was like pro golf. Like it's not that great. And so my thing is, even if they brought everybody together, like it wasn't on that great of a trajectory before this split. And I just don't, who's going to drive a unified game forward with, you know, a better entertainment product? I just, there's such a lack of of any ideas and leadership and I It's it's not great when you have companies thrown around like multi-billion dollar investments

Like this SSG can be comfortable with J and the leadership on how they're acting and the scary thing about it D is like what you brought up of of like boiling it all down, like they're looking at returns. So I don't think they're going to try to take cash that's been strapped to the tour via Aon or whatever, name any other company that's investing in it. What I'd say is hopefully they turn to like, the tour headquarters and the hundreds of people that are there that aren't doing anything that we're talking about right now. And give it a break. So I think, I think it's important to note though, Cody, like, I think we need to like picture the, let's just call it like the golf company, right? Like I think SSG, PJ Tour Enterprises is like a golf company. And then there is the PGA Tour, where all these problems are going to

exist. Like I don't think SSG is predicting and projecting huge growth within the PGA tour 501C6. I think they see opportunities to use capital to buy up other properties within golf, capitalize on, you know, all these t time apps that make a ton of money, capitalize on the on the growth of golf at golf courses, buy up resorts, buy up the Ryder Cup, buy up PGA of America. I don't know exactly what. That's not my area of expertise, but I would be absolutely stunned if they looked at this product and they were like, we can squeeze so much more out of this thing that is way overpriced already and no one really is watching. I don't think

that that's where they think they're going to get a return on their money. Yeah. I think it's almost more like optimizing what that is and using that as the vehicle to go acquire all this other stuff, right? Because it still is like the biggest gorilla in the room. Doesn't necessarily mean like the gorilla needs to get that much bigger. It just means that that's like your way in on all these other things, which again is like super uplifting, like really like heartwarming stuff as well of just we're going to kind of, you know, just optimize the business of the game that I think is going to make, you know, the Bay Hill, but imitational. What was it? The citrus open, it's going to make that just like so much more interesting. I'm sure.

But and this is an anecdotal note I have and it's a case of one here. But I just, I want to point out, like, the, the, the, the lasting impact of this, I'm just going to call it strike season. Like, we're going to be in like a four or five year period where pro golf is really shitty. We've already, we're two years into it. It's probably going to last like another three. Like, if this would have happened when I was, you know, in, you know, a younger person, like I, part of the reason I'm a huge golf fan a huge part of the reason Why this is like my career now a huge part of the reason why I play so much golf and like have a passion for it It's a pga tour event five minutes from my house growing up

And it was like the best week of the year to go out there and follow somebody follow Justin Leonard around I was huge Justin Leonard fan. I don't really know why but Like that was Tiger Woods came and like dude I battled those crowds when I was a kid and like that made me a huge golf fan, right? There was an energy around it. It was awesome. And that has an lasting impact on my life.

Like we're seeing like this, this like earthquake is happening right now and like the downstream impacts of all of that is not felt yet. If you're talking about this link between the pro game and the like there is a trickle down effect of the pro game. When you watch it on television You're gonna, you know be more incentive

I can watch an hour of golf on TV and I want to go play like that's the that's the connection that we have with the Pro game and like the damage being done to it. I think that Ken damage the game of golf as a whole Just we don't know how yet, but I think that is gonna exist Anyways, I think that's extremely well said totally agree. Yep. I will say sorry I just cuz Cody and I spent a lot of time talking about the women's game the women's game at least LPGA tours off to a Fantastic start. So if anybody's kind of disillusioned, I know it's not the easiest to watch on television But they're starting a prime time event over in China tonight It's been like major winners only so far in the LPGA.

What about China? What about China? I just want to say the women's side is off to a great start, and that's cool at least. All right. Back to you, Sully. Couple other notes I had. Paul Aisinger let it fly in an interview with Adam Schupack, who don't need to do all of it. A lot of people, I had a little overreacted to this. I mean, he said, he made the point that like the best players are not playing the PGA tour. The best players aren't all playing the PGA tour anymore, which I think was like, Oh, can we see what they're going to say about this? Like, yeah, I think we've been saying that. And I mean, the big takeaway, I mean, you know, he goes into details about

his negotiation and how basically NBC pretty much sounds like they did I'm pretty dirty of saying you know They tried to counter offer when they made him an offer and they just said well They pulled the plug on and almost immediately there was no negotiation The kind of big takeaway from from from at the end was just said Well, there was no plan going forward except to make the broadcast less expensive I think they're gonna settle on whatever is less expensive Everything since I got there was just budget cut after budget cut. Everything was to make the broadcast cost less money. We went from having towers to all in the same booth. We

eliminated a couple of drones. Occasionally you lose the airplane or the blimp and then you lose the speed shots. That one big camera that covers the ball, you know, from tea as it flies over the water, you know, they're going to pour all their money into the players. Um, they're going to pour all their money into the players. Fuck yeah. Just good job by everyone involved. I don't know. Pull my charts back out again and show the directions. These two lines are going because yeah, that seems like it's just getting better for all the right people.

Comcast NBC continuing just to hold so much of golf hostage with the right. So cool. It's also like if I if I may don't have a ton of dealing with Zinger, have met him a couple times. He's the best. And I reading this, my big takeaway was like, man, it sounds like they just treated him like shit. And that's the part that's like, you can say whatever you want about like his analysis, maybe didn't like him, whatever. But like the way that it was handled sounds awful. And if any of that is like 10% true, then like, I don't know, that even that is like, you thought the broadcast was shitty.

Like that's another like just kind of sprinkling of, you know, just badness to add to the whole situation. Can't be treating Zinger like that. He's, he's, he's a good dude. It seems like he really treats people the right way. I'm glad you said that. Cause I've, we met God, where did we run into him? Was that in Branson? Yeah, we randomly great dude in person. I'm not sure he was never

really my cup of tea. Never did anything in the in the broadcast booth for me. But I echo what you say. And at a certain point, like this is way too I love Zinger. I did was not a huge fan of his commentary on NBC. But at a certain point, I don't know what the balance is. I don't know where to place the blame, but it sounds like a pretty tough environment to work in. It does. It sounds like a tough environment to succeed in. And it just, he had a couple other quotes in there about things that he said on there that they didn't like. And it just, he never seemed sure of himself at NBC. Like I always loved his commentary on Fox and, you know, it is different doing it one week,

a year versus every other every week and I get that and and I think you juxtaposed some of that with you know I think we've all had dealings on the CBS side with running into over the past couple years to Trevor and to Colt and to Amanda and to all of those people who are just like man things are like really awesome on our side and And it really comes through on the telecast. And it just, yeah, it seems like the whole thing is like a very systemic issue. Yeah. All right.

We, our goal is to keep these under an hour. So, and we have a final game that we need to play. We're going to play the Willy Z game. We're going to do it stomp the Schwab style. Oh, God, that probably is really. It's going to be so bad. Really dating me. But stomp the Schwab game used to go around it probably is really. It's gonna be so bad. Really dating me.

But Stump the Schwab game used to go around in a circle, kind of for certain categories, like name all FedEx Cup winners, and as soon as you name one that's wrong, you're out. So Cody's the only one that has the field list. I'm gonna keep my hands up here, no clicking around or anything like that. And we're gonna all go around in a circle

and name players until we name somebody that's not in the field or cannot name any more players. All right, who wants to start? I'll start. Hi, big. Kurt Kiddiyama. Mmm. Correct.

Well done. Scotty Scheffler. Correct. Roy McElroy. Correct. Also, if you repeat a name, you're out. You're out. Yeah. God, I know. I panicked right there. Justin Thomas. Barely. Victor Hovland.

Jordan Spliff. Yes. Hideki Matsuyama. Okay. Max Homa. Yep. Patrick Cantley. Yep. Jake Knapp. That was things different into his reserves. Xander Shawthly. Yes. Matt Fitzpatrick.

Yes. Nick Taylor. Yes. Thomas Kim. Yes. Ludwig Oberg. Yes. Oh, God.

Just like Name a golfer, Name a golfer. Austin Eck wrote. Okay. Tommy Fleetwood. Oh, very good. And it. Uh, Adam Scott. Yes.

Um, uh, all the panic set in. I All the panic set in I Don't know Big about DJ and solid remain No, I know. Matthew Pavon. Very good. Let him cook. Men will Lee. Yeah. Grayson Murray. Very good.

Sam Burns. Yes. Chris Kirk Yeah, he won the first one web Simpson. Yes Scummy Brian Harmon Jason Day yes From the a on swing five Justin Lauer. Wow. Yes. I've seriously have not been paying enough to get to what's former young hitter always a young hitter.

Harris English. H E. He sees guy Sammy Valomaki true. Mm. Um, anybody say Hedekie yet? No, still open. Very good. No, I did. Oh, you did? Oh, Jesus out.

Yeah. DG got it. I had more. I had more. I had more. I had 69 more. Did anybody see? Uh, yes, it fits. You did? Okay. Well, good. I didn't want to have said that. I had more I had more I had 69 more

That's it fits you did okay. Well good. I didn't want to have said that I was saving Ben on our Walker cup guy Big got an exemption this week. Do you guys think that Adam's done? I'm playing in the API or the Puerto Rico Invitational Puerto Rico Adam's fencing is I think playing in the API API one of the last like top 50 guys. Very, very good. Patrick Rogers, Puerto Rico API. PR. He's got to be API API. I mean, it's the only field I have in front of me. So that that is why I'm saying we don't need 10 more guys in the field. Right now.

True. No disrespect, of course, to anyone, but that is probably why. That is why I'm saying we don't need 10 more guys in the field. But right now, it's true. No disrespect, of course, to anyone. But that is probably why. All right. Last thing. Who's going to finish dead last? Who's your pick to finish just absolutely dead last this week? Scam is in the field.

What's that? Robert Gomez in the field. I think they had to change up how they did that now with. God, such a good question I Feel the only question that matters Isn't Hogi playing really bad right now I Could work I feel like that's up there. I'm gonna say I Know he's playing pretty good golf, but I'm gonna say, I know he's playing pretty good golf,

but I'm gonna say Nikolai Hoygard. Feels like the worst possible setup. I'm gonna go to our Walker cup guy. David Ford. Yeah, like if it's as hard as it's being advertised, like no shade at him, but it's gonna be a tough tough week. Yeah. Admittedly, I didn't think of that. I'm going to say Nick Dunlap. The only way this game is funny is if our DFL pick ends up winning. Right. Which I feel like I'm really threading the line there with Toy Guard. All right. That is going to be a wrap for Happy Hour show. Thank you to Heineen. Thank you to Roback. Thank you to Netflix. Thank you to Cody to Randy to DJ. Everyone that watched live. These are always really fun to do.

We're gonna have a bunch of live shows next week for the players Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday and a happy hour show Wednesday and a preview podcast and we'll be live on Sunday night. Golf season is about to get very, very, very busy for all of us. So thank you everyone for tuning in and for your support. We'll see you back here on Sunday night. Cheers. Cheers.