No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 801: Bay Hill Recap

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

Scottie Scheffler obliterates the field at Bay Hill, and we recap his ridiculous week, put his win into perspective, project his next month and a half, and more. We also chat Bay Hill, Zalatoris, Rory, Wyndham, Lowry, AK's 65, Matteo Mannesaro, and a lot more. You can find the full show notes here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And a lot of that was because I think he's just gotten so much more interesting because of the putting stuff. Like he was so, you know, there's, there's a lot of these guys when they'll come, come up and they're, they're like ascending into what turns out to be like their peak golf, you know, they kind of, first they're here and then they kind of level up a little bit and they kind of level up a little bit and it eventually it all adds up to being the best player in the world. And you're like, huh, tip your cap. That guy's the best player in the world. Scotty did that. And then once he got there, it was kind of like, oh no, here's this big, massive

glaring flaw. And we've just been able to watch it and watch it evolve and watch it kind of metastasize in him a little bit. And he gets asked about it every day and he gets a little chippier and a little chippier. And finally, just to like see him break through, it just felt like the, uh, the cherry on the top of the Sunday of like how good of golf he's been playing. Right. Like he, I don't want to say he deserves to putt well. That's a very stupid thing to say. But like, man, that's what it's supposed to look like. That's what we've been, we've been waiting for. It was just like mistake free, complete game shut out, slam the door, leave everybody else in the dust. Like I had a blast watching that today.

It was it was awesome. But it's not like this is a Hedekki situation where it's like happened for a decade and he's just always been a bad putter. Like 2022, he was this dude today. Like he was dominant. He wasn't quite this level of ball striker, but he could putt really well. Like in that winning streak he had up to winning the Masters, he was a way above average putter. And it just, something happened there.

Like honestly, somebody brought this up to me this week, the foreputt to finish the Masters. Like did that do have a psychological damage for him? I don't know. It took, I guess, until Rory recommends to switch to a mallet, even though we've been screaming from him to switch some kind of putter.

And maybe it was my putting advice that I gave him on the pot a couple weeks ago, something, something, something, click for him, obviously. And, uh, and we will take credit for it here on this show. But it is, there's some, you know, there is a level of, I don't know, people don't get super amped about Scotty. Like people aren't like all in. It's not, you know, any kind of, it's not a speed effect or anything like that, but I really, really, really enjoy watching dominance

and greatness, like we've been witnessing greatness with him for a sustained period of time. I mean, truly that data golf stat that I tweeted out today blew my frickin' mind about like his 2023 ball striking season is second best to Tigers 2006 better than all other Tiger years. Like it's not usually those records are goes one, two, three, four, five, six Tiger and then somebody sneaks in like one season or something like that. Literally second no one else has done this except for Tiger Woods when he's doing

and he sustained it into the first three months of the year. And now he's adding putting on top of it like I am swept up in the moment but this this has a chance to get out of hand. So you know what I think is interesting about it is Scotty's flaws, like if let's say that's fixed right now, it's probably not totally fixed. There's still going to be some demons that come out. But like with any good storytelling, it's the flaws that make someone like more relatable and more interesting. And so now going forward, if you're like, oh, I saw Scotty like mired in this depth of this, like how did he not go insane?

How did he not just punch a hole in a wall every week? Oh, wait, now I figured it out. That's fricking awesome. This, the next six months could be really fun. It was coming into today, I was thinking about Smiley Kaufman had tweeted that story about Tiger a couple of like, I think it was story about tiger, a couple of, uh, like, I think it was a story that he heard a couple of years ago and it was basically like how tiger measured his rounds.

And he had that point system. Did you guys see that about like, you know, if he was trying to avoid points and a point was like, you know, they were basically like strikes and it was like, you don't get up and down from an easy spot. You miss on the wrong side. You do all these things. And coming into today, I sat down on the couch was like, all right, I'm going to try to like frame Scotty's round here a little bit. I'm going to use this like point system of, you know, whatever, just to, just to like lean into the TV a little bit more whenever he hits it in one of these spots and he just didn't have any points. You know, he just like did everything exactly what he needed to do.

And it was, you know, a couple of weird shots on those par threes where he came up way short, but even those, it was like, stay calm, you know, get the next hitter, like just, just, uh, just stick to the game plan, get it, knock it up there and make the six footer. And seeing him do that was just, man, we've just, we've been missing it, man. We needed it. You need to have a big, like the, the baddest guy in the yard. You got to have, you got to have like that kind of thing going into these weeks because it just means so much more if somebody takes them down or, you know, you got to have somebody firing on all cylinders. It is worth pointing out again. This is the hardest air. Every single year, it's only going to get harder and harder. This is the hardest error ever in golf to separate yourself from the pack, from a ball striking perspective and this technological error.

from a ball striking perspective and this technological error. Like it just is, like the forgiveness of misses and how far the golf ball goes. It's harder and harder and harder to do it. And he's managed to do this. Get this for the week. He led the field in strokes gain off the tee.

He led the field in strokes gain tee to green. He led the field in strokes gain around the green. He led the field today in strokes gain putting and was fifth in putting for the week. Like it is is truly. That's as close as you can get to a perfect game without throwing one on me, right? Like, yeah. You're muted, I think, Pie, man.

I don't know what happened here. Sorry. Speaking of perfect games, this might be the spot to slot in a shout out to our guy, Randy on the preview. We did the who's going to win, who's going to finish last and Randy had Scotty to win amateur David Ford to finish last. I think he just missed it by by one place I think I think David Ford finished one spot from DFL But very nearly a perfect like two outs eight and two-thirds Randy gives up a home run there with

With David Ford, but really it's a standing o Randy That's right. You know what? I mean really appreciate the effort Absolutely, he does not because he in his mind runner-ups don't get anything for any tournament effort. So he does not get this close gets him absolutely nothing. I like guys that win Randy. Sorry. I like guys that win.

Not not really not even close. Um, does this change anything for you guys heading into the Masters? Like are heading into this major championship season? Does this change anything for for what you are expecting to happen? Yeah, dude, right? Of course. Like hell yeah. into this major championship season, does this change anything for, for what you are expecting to happen? Yeah, dude. Right? Of course. Like hell yeah.

It changes things. I don't know. I know it's one week and I know it's one week and I know weirdly, I feel like this happens at Bay Hill. Remember when this happened to Rory at Bay Hill where he was like really struggling with his putting and one, you know, got that fax in less than it came in and one Bay Hill by a million because he just made like 8,000 feet of putts. Maybe there's something about the greens there. I reserve the right to be wrong about that. But like,

that nothing about that looked fluky, man. Like that looked like a different, it wasn't just that the balls, you know, like you said, it's not like they were hitting lips and we're just going to keep doing the same thing over and over and over. Like that was a different dude. There's a different putter. It was a different stance. It was a different posture. It was like, I know there's there's probably a honeymoon period, but I think that's the thing with Scotty that we've always said that is like, man, if you just get it to average, it's going to be not a fair fight. And let alone like way above average is, is would be scary. So to me, it's like, yeah, if you can ride this field for, you know, another month,

it's like masters might not be all that close. He was, there was a couple of those on the back nights where he hit it to 30 feet, whatever, because it's a Bay Hill, that's what you have to do on some. And like there's a little twinge in the back of my mind was like, Oh shit, like, this would be a hard to put. And then he would just die it to two feet. I was like, where's this dude been? Like he didn't give himself any easy stuff like that for five months. You know, and the hard ones, when the long leg putts, he was always stressing over

them. And then he was like stressed and pissed off about the eight footers. Man, this was just a whole different feel. Well, it is, there's something to, if there was a way to visually see what it looks like when you're not fearing the three footer, it was that today, right? You end up hitting better lags, better putts at the hole from a distance,

you know, just not fearing the comebacker. And I don't know, man, even the ones that he was not making just were way better putts. And something happened Saturday. He had a putt on Saturday on the 11th green where he missed it woefully short, never got it to the hole. And he had one of his biggest freakouts yet.

I mean, he yelled at himself like, I forget what the exact quote was, something along the lines of like, you gotta give yourself a chance. I started yelling at Ted, but I think he was yelling at himself. And I'm so tired of, and you couldn't, of course, they cut to commercial immediately after that and never followed up.

They were speaking right there. Yeah. But yelling at yourself, but directed at someone else. They never followed up on what he actually said. But from that moment on, he became a totally different person. And if I was everyone else on tour, I'd be a little nervous right now. It might be like Randy Huck in that club at band and dunes, you know, he's got to flush the system and then eventually then you get freed up and you, you know, you go on to go on to win the season.

So it, this may, I'm curious on this next question. Do you think Scotty gets at least one of the players or the masters? Uh, I think the harder the course is, and this is going to, we're going to talk about this the second we draft the better he is and the easier it is for him to separate. So yes, I think he wins one of these two for sure. Now, I don't know how hard the player is going to be set up next week. You Florida boys are going to have to give us an on the ground report, uh,

about whether it's going to be firm and fast. But if it's firm, then yes. I'd be stunned if it is. It's been a wet winter here, and it absolutely dumped last night. So, and I'm 10 miles, not even 10 miles down the road from, from TPC Sawgrass. So I think what's weird about that question, Solly, is like, it's, it's weird to see Scotty going so dramatically up into the right and all the other stars kind of petering a little bit, you know, other than, I guess, Wyndham Clark and Zalatoris and Hideki.

Other than that, it's like Rory's got all these big, you know, just weird brain farts coming out of nowhere that lead to, you know, just really miserable performances. Hovland went 75-75 this weekend. really miserable performances. Hauwlin went 75, 75 this weekend. More cowl missed the cut. Like, oh, it's, it's weird to think one of those guys is just going to like find it.

It's weird to think Scotty's going to drop off from what we just saw. And you don't mean like those two things are going to switch places. Like Scotty's going to drop off and somebody else is going to find it to the degree that that would need to happen. At the same time, golf's so weird. I mean, look at what Phil shot in the first round this week and what Scotty did this week. And Phil beats Scotty at the Masters last year

and almost won them. I don't know, weird shit can happen. Odds would be that he would not win one of these two. Like you would get positive odds, you know, if you were wagering on this. Like he's plus 750, I think, to win the Masters right now. I don't know what his most recent players odds are, but I think he's going to get at least one of them. I would, I would, I would bet on that,

even if like the odds tell me it's not going to happen. Yeah, for sure. You could talk me if I had a couple more of these high news, you could talk me into betting that he's going to win both. Honestly, based on what we just saw. And I think it's, you know, that's a different, that was a different, different, different performance than we see week to week. I think it's a lightning bolt people. That was a different, different, different performance

than we see week to week. I think it's a lightning bolt thrown at like Kepka and wrong. So that's there. The people who are probably like, yeah, we're ready for major season. Like we're, we've been playing well. And now Scott is like, you know what? I'd like to join that conversation. Please add me to that chat.

CC Scottie. Wow. Scottie's even gave these shots, fired at Neiman, the best player in the world right now. As I was going to say, Taylor Guchal, who was in the field this week, all other asterisk. You want to go to our draft index? Is that, uh, are we there yet?

Sure. Yeah. Let's do it. Once you kick us off, Deige, tell us what we're doing. Uh, well, we're just looking for, I think we're going to go around. No, no real, uh, formalities here, but I think we're just looking for, I think we're going to go around. No, no real formalities here, but I think we're just going to go around and draft quote unquote draft kind of just a round table selection. But what do we want us to call it? Favorite story

of the week? I think just favorite things. So the favorite thing of the week. Yeah. All right. I just am running the simulations. KVV's got first pick. I've got second picks. Always got last pick because he accidentally took first pick in our fantasy baseball draft. So you can go. I don't want it. I'm so mad about that.

Why? I don't want number one overall. Yeah, I don't want to. Just take Ohtani and run, man. No way. Picture. No, no, no. Okay, we'll get to that offline, whatever.

All right. But with the number one pick in our stupid Sunday draft, I would like to pick Bay Hill. Uh, I have been out on Bay Hill for a long time. You know what? I feel like I got a little bit too woke, a little bit too deep in the architecture blogs, a little bit, there's no, the bullshit. And I came around on this this week. I'm like, you know what?

This course tests these dudes, they, for whatever reason, they are not afraid to make it firm. They are not afraid to grow the rough up to a point where we'd normally piss off the players. I don't think it's a great design. Robert Dameron came at me on Twitter about this thing. How dare I say such a thing? But I think it's a fun course for pros to play.

Do I think I could play it and have any fun? No. Do I think I could break 100? No. Do I think that would make a good film room? Maybe. But I think Bay Hill is like, I'm deciding it's sick. Like, I know the hole is enough now for all these years.

I'm anticipating certain things. I'm in on Bay Hill. I'm telling the populace to wrap their arms around me and basically let me be part of their trap. I, you know what? I'm kind of with you, man, in that like, if we are where we are in pro golf, the golf ball goes a long ways.

There's very few ways to test these guys. I think, like, that's what it's gonna look like week to week. You know? Like, do I wish they went to Seminole instead of Bay Hill? Definitely. But, like, do I think that's gonna happen? No. Right?

And so if that's what we're gonna get, then I think that's a fun experience. What I would push back on, I guess, is, I think that's a fun experience, What I would push back on, I guess, is, I think that's a fun experience with the right field. Right? Like, if you get a bad field playing that golf course, it's probably not quite as fun. It was really fun that it was Scotty Schaeffler and Will Zalatoris.

And I guess what I'm getting at was, like, I almost said this to you guys too, but seeing Scotty play, like, seeing Scotty do what he did this week, like, makes all the other players just like look so bad. At that, you know what I mean? Like watching those guys just like, yeah. Watching those guys just like miss putts and miss greens and hit bad ships. And I'm like, Oh, Scotty's not doing any of this stuff.

Can't be that hard. It's like, Oh no, that's because he's just separating himself so much. I'm going to push back on your pushback to each so because I would like to wipe the slate clean on and start over a total reset of the system on what is a good player and what is not because there's a lot of people who've been talking a lot of shit about how, oh, we should just narrow the field of 40 dudes. Okay.

Well, like how about some of those dudes start winning some freaking tournaments? How about they step up and show themselves? Cause I've been seeing a lot of guys who started the year outside the top 300 were winning tournaments and all of a sudden they're not doing shit. So like if we're going to start me cutting down the field, I would like to know like, who are we taking? Are we taking famous guys? Cause that sounds like another league that I've been hearing a lot about that we've been talking a lot of shit about for a long time. Like that reputation, you know what? Like let's just, let's just reset the clock here

and say like, all right, if you're a good field might be like dudes who are just playing good. Yeah, it's interesting, man. I think there's like, I was thinking about this a lot this weekend and I think it's a good example of how, I don't know the word, like it's not fleeting, but like all the players for the most part

are like so close together. And those stretches of really great play, just they're so few and far between. They don't last. They don't last. for the most part are like so close together. And those stretches of really great play just are, they're so few and far between. They don't last. They don't last. And that's where it is really hard to just say like, nope, these are the 30 guys.

These are the 40 guys. Cause it's like really hard for those 40 guys to all consistently play well. But I also agree with what you're saying. It's just hard. It's a hard problem to solve, which is where I kind of get to the 100 number that a couple people thrown out and the Roy Rory, Wyndham Clark. It's hard though for the

like this group that is supposed to be these top guys to have shot the bed this hard early on in the season like to play this bad and people got came at me because like, oh look at the leaderboard. Look at the leaderboard. Are you, are're getting your take about everybody's bad plays. Like literally go down the PIP list, like the list from last year of the most influential and powerful and marketable people in the game. And like go one by one as to their results so far for this year and it's a bleak situation,

literally except for Scotty and Wyndham Clark. It really is. There's like Rory, Stinky, Tiger Woods, Sam's gonna play once a month and we're not even going to get three starts. You know, Liv, John Ron went to Liv, Jordan Spieth, relatively Stinky, Stunkett two of the three signature events. Scotty obviously the lone stud, Ricky Fowler been Stinky, Victor Hauvelin has regressed greatly. JT, a solid bounce back from a bad year, but like still hasn't really threatened to win. Tommy Fleetwood has been very mad on the PGA tour. Max, definitely

not his best to start off the year. Xander, T4bble not much else J day. He's had three top 10 signature events I'll give him that more a cow a T5 at century and then he missed the cut on an event It's like really hard to miss the cut this week Fitz has been stinky win him obviously one pebble Cam Young done almost nothing Justin Rose hasn't done much can't lay T4 at it Genesis, but he shot the bet on the weekend and Brian Harmon's done nothing so far. So those are your Pip guys from last year. So like it is something to say of like, yeah, there has been some some quite shitty, but I don't know how we got there off of your Bay Hill take.

I think it's all kind of related because I think like we're we're talking in general about who should be playing in these signature events. And you know, I just feel like I think we can do a better job in this back. I mean, you know, I just feel like I think we can do a better job in this, but I mean, the larger golf media, but also like us of telling the stories of the guys who are not yet established or whatever. Because if you're famous and you're playing shitty golf,

I might want to see the famous people. It might, this the tiger conundrum. I don't care how everyone else is doing. I still want to see what tigers doing. I still want to see what Rory's doing. Yeah, but you know what? Like there's some other people who are actually playing good golf over here.

And I feel like maybe they should deserve the opportunity to be widely known and become famous too instead of us just being like, ah, you know, it's kind of frustrating that's a one off. Like if Jake Knapp turns into like freaking Kurt Warner, I mean, I covered the NFL for a long time. Sometimes like Cinderella stories like pop up out of nowhere and that dude becomes like really good.

Do I think Jake Knapp is going to be like a great player? I don't know, probably not. But if he is, then I think we ought to keep sort of thinking like, yeah, man, Jake Knapp might be appointment TV. And if he comes on, he's good. But isn't that in place? Like what, if you play good, like Jake Knapp literally played his way into the tournament.

Like you play good in these other events, you play your way into these tournaments. Who's left out of these tournaments that is like potential to be a Hall of Famer right now. Gooch. This is a Gooch. I'm just saying, like, when we say like, ah, it's frustrating, like, none of these guys are playing good.

I'm also like, yeah, but you know what? There's a bunch of guys at the top of the leaderboard who are playing pretty good. Like I'm, I'm interested in that. It's, it doesn't, does it draw the casual fan in if Victor Hovelin, Justin Thomas, those guys, Spieth aren't playing well. No, probably doesn't. And draw the casual fan in if Victor Haviland Justin Thomas those guys speech aren't playing Well, no probably doesn't and that's a different argument. That's why I don't think any of this is worth billions of dollars But from like a golf fans perspective. Yeah, like I'm interested in Austin Echo or whatever I don't know shit about him before last week and like I want to know more about him now

And I want to sort of follow his career going forward and say like maybe that wasn't a one-off Maybe he's the next dude. Maybe he's the next star I remember when Justin Thomas was just like his career going forward and say like, maybe that wasn't a one-off, maybe he's the next dude, maybe he's the next star. I remember when Justin Thomas was just like an unknown kind of guy or a speed was an unknown kind of guy. And I think maybe that some of those guys are sort of bubbling around the surface and we're sort of more focused on the famous guys

than we are like who might be the next thing. Cause the famous guys are kind of fat and not really kicking much ass lately. I gotta say to the start of this year, they're content with their money. Relate to that. And I hope that the hungry guys are kicking, are ready to kick some ass. Uh, I want to see their, their, you know, their lunch money gets snatched.

If they're not playing, you know, they're not going to come out and win. Two things largely agree with everything you're saying. One, I think there needs to be a distinction in, like, there's two different classes or not classes, but like categories of fans that I think you're talking about in this conversation where like Austin Eckeroats, the like that kind of like next tier of guys, like we want to know those stories. We want to follow those guys week to week.

I think that's a pretty small number of like hardcore fans that are going to feel that way. And I would firmly say that I'm in that camp and I do need to learn more about both of those guys. And probably everybody who listens to this podcast is in that camp and needs to learn more about those guys too. But I think there's just so many more people outside of that camp who are like,

no, I just kind of want to watch. I've only got room in my brain for seven golfers. And that's about all I'm gonna really care about. And even those are like outside of the majors, it's gonna be really hard to sell me on, you know, kind of like the next level, you know, the next shelf down of the high end liquors. So I think is-

I'd say like, Wyndham Clark is the case here, right? He is the guy that has risen up from this kind of very big collective group of people and like consistently proven himself, right? And it was, you know, he won the Wells Fargo last year and was like, oh, whoa, okay. That's a little bit of a surprise here. And then when he wins the U.S. Open, it just becomes a whole, you're a whole different person now at this point. And I think like, yeah, if Jake Knapp would have stepped up in one this week, instead of, I think he, you know, he made it, he made a 12, I think at this point,

which brings me to my point number two real quick. And I said this to you guys. And I'm not saying that this is the, jake nap problem by any means But I'm just I'm just flagging it going forward is as we get into the a on swing 5 and the next 10 and all of these like you Can play your way in you can play your way in type of things It is really weird like that's where I think we get into a golf course problem on the PJ tour I was thinking about this with Bay Hill where it's like, okay, so we have this we have all these feeder events to like was thinking about this with Bay Hill where it's like, okay, see, we have this. We have all these feeder events to like identify who's getting into Bay Hill.

And like with the exception of like Justin Lauer, who played really well this week, I feel like when you have all those kind of like lower tier, quote, unquote PJ tour events on like shittier golf courses that are almost more like cornfairy tour golf courses. And then you have these designated events that are really like building their identity as we're going to be really tough tests. We're going to really separate the good from the bad. We're going to firm it up. We're going to grow up the rough.

It just seems like those two things are at odds with each other where you're like promoting the Jake naps of the world who are getting through almost like, I don't want to say shittier events, but kind of into like these events that like maybe they're not totally suited for or ready for. Again, I'm not using this as like a one-off example, but I'm just saying watch this space. Also the entire corn fairy tour.

I don't know what I was going to say. Who was the last like great, great, great corn fairy guy that was like, I dominated at this level and then I came, you know what I mean? Like there's exceptions and Scotty would be an exception. I think something what I'm asking though is for the stars to like read the room man is like all these guys are saying like hey, whoa, you know, we should really have like fewer guys in these fields. All right, well then you guys should like step up and win instead of making it look like you're just trying to sort of, you know, decrease the chances of like people who might

be able to have a career week and overtake you like if Rory and Scotty and, you know, decrease the chances of like people who might be able to have a career week and overtake you. Like if, if Rory and Scotty and, you know, JT and Victor were dominating every week and had come out in one, like Rom did, like three, the four tournaments start the year, I'd been like, yeah, like, you know, I'd really like to see the big Titans clash all the time. But they've just been kind of playing middling golf. And then for them to say like like, you know, we need fewer people out here, because like, really, it should be the stars. You know, I'm saying, I'm not saying I disagree with the logic. I'm saying you sound like a fucking idiot. Well, it's a contract here, and you're just laying an egg.

We're conflating two things here, though. They're talking about 100 players on tour, right? And we're not talking about like these 69 person events and making those fields smaller. Right? That's not That's not what happens. It's not like they're playing bad in these and being like, oh, there should be less people here. So I have a better chance of winning them. It's like cutting off, there's a cutoff at some point

of where the PGA Tour is. I don't think anyone here would sit here and say it should be 200. It gets a massive amount of people on there. And I think it's a logical take also to this. Wyndham Clark was one of the people that has been saying this this past week. He has won the most recent signature event for this one and finished second in these.

So I think he qualifies to stand up and say, you know, if this 100 players is the cutoff in there, how did Wynnum, Karki, those opportunities? Like what was the field in quail when he got in when he was 300 in the world or whatever? I mean, I don't think that he would have been in that field. I mean, you could probably fact check that, but I don't think that he wouldn't quark would have been a given as many of those opportunities if I mean, that was a sort of a high, we didn't have high level events quite exactly then, but that was a thought of it, certainly as a higher tier event when he won that.

So anyway, I think we should, this is an excellent first round pick because it kinds of stuff to discuss. You can't have a both ways though. I understand they do need to play better, which I understand they definitely do. But you also you've been begging for these people to have ownership of their tour and to get up there and answer the questions that will ask them. And if you want them to lie to you or they want you to not withhold what they actually feel, we can play that game too. Now does it sound silly at the face of it? Sure. wind them a hundred percent like he's top ten player in the world right now

Why would he not want to to say that and if that's what he truly feels now? It could be a lot different if wind them from early last year wasn't that play that that didn't have that same train of thought Who knows but I know right now like the people that you're begging to say we have we have two people in a playoff right now In Puerto Rico, do you know who they are? I forgot that that was an event until Sally said it on the front end. Fiercely Google it. They're on the fourth hole of a playoff right now

and both of them are ranked 500 in the world, OWGR, who knows what FedEx Cup, who knows what data. But you know what it does? We can let you have to go watch that if you want. If you want. We can let it go. I mean, that should be my job as you want to learn their stories, frankly. But I would say, Cody, I sorry, Cody, I was jumping on that.

What would you say the wind gets the wind gets into the fucking players, you know, and it gets them two years of their cards. Now do they deserve two years for winning the Puerto Rico? Probably not. But it's a win and winning is really fucking hard. I've seen though, in how the NFL, like decreasing the number of roster spots, decreasing the number of like veterans

who are sort of available, basically saying, oh, we want to protect our people. We want to have like rookie contracts that that makes the product shittier. Like the product is at its best when there's constantly people pushing you from the bottom and people aren't living like a fat life. They're kind of have to stay hungry all the time.

And I think that's actually what the tour was kind of built on for a long time was like, you know what? Like I, if I miss a cut this week, I'm kind of fucked. Like I'm financially taking a hit. I got to go out there when I'm trunk slamming and go to the next city and figure it out. And I don't want to lose that sort of edge

to what it means to play high pro level golf. And I should be a dogfight all the time to hold onto those spots at the bottom. I would maintain that still totally exists. There the system is it is you know there's four sponsors exemptions whatever that is but ignoring that everyone else qualified to get that spot you had to play the golf to get in the top 50 last year to be in all the events this year right they're expecting 40% so far it would look like 40% turnover in that 18 of those guys would have dropped out. The top 32 of those top 50 from last year

are gonna get back into the designated events from last year. Otherwise, you can play in through top 50 or top 30 in the OWGR, or you can play in through the swing five. Like you play good enough golf. Like there's no one playing fantastic golf that is shut out of these events that I'm looking at like,

oh man, that's all the talent in the world that's sitting on the sidelines right now. I just, I think it's like, it can be conflated as, the PIP guys didn't get automatic bids into these events. Straight up, your golf scores is what got you into these events aside from the sponsors' exemptions, which I'd be totally fine going away from. I understand why they exist.

If you're asking companies to put up $25 million to put on their tournaments, they're gonna to want to select a few players for the field, whatever. That's a reality of pro golf that I don't love, but just you have to put up with. But I just, I do not think that there is like a next star that doesn't get into these events as of right now. And I think if there is one, they're gonna play golf. 69 is a good number for like the, for a signature event. Like you feel comfortable with that, right? I see. I think they should move like so how it has worked is, you know, the if you're already qualified and you're in the a on swing five, you qualify through a win and you're in the a on swing

five, they don't go down the list. I think they'd be totally fine going down the list to get somewhere in the 70 to 80 range, right? I think an important part of this structure is getting everyone off the first tee on the first tee for Thursday and Friday, not split starting morning and afternoon on both sides. That's the idea of this structure of golf tournament is like, look, that we just are not bringing much added value to this tournament past 80 people. I strongly, strongly believe that.

I really don't think there's a ton of value brought past that. There's got to be a cutoff at some point. The number is 156, because that is how much daylight allows for. Like, I do not know why the goal of you're trying to create the best product would be to get the maximum amount of players on the golf course all at once, and that's, that's what they've decided to do. And I, I think they're in a decent spot with it. I don't think it's perfect. I like the cut a little bit in some of these events. I think it's totally fine to send guys

that have played absolutely horrific home. But I don't know, I just, I do not think that we're sitting there looking and not having the top stars, not be able to break through with good golf on the golf course. All right, the commissioner is informing me that we went way over time for the Baltimore draft pick.

So now it is the second pick in the draft, Mr. Pajalski. Well, that's great. Cause mine is totally related to all this. I didn't get to my Bay Hill part. I'll save that for later. Last minute, last minute swap. I was going to pick something else, but I'm moving this up my board just so I don't lose it. Uh, favorite thing I saw this week, totally not going to ever happen. Uh, wildly ridiculous idea, but I'm totally into it was Randy's idea that if you miss the cut at one of these 69 player signature events you're not eligible for the next signature I'm truly in on that. Call more cow if you want to go shoot 80 and

it's big. Sounds good man you miss the next doing and you know that's going to put you behind the eight ball now you're going to have to play a little better we welcome you into the you know the A on. Now you're going to have to play a little better. We welcome you into the, you know, the A on swing five. If you want to go play Zurich or, you know, some of these Texas events or, or whatever, I'm, I'm in on that. That I think that would be, that would be sick. Sammy, Valomac, you get him out of here. Rosie, see you. They won't be able to set their schedule. They won't be able to set their schedule. It would be only a daycare. Oh, shit. I don't know what to tell you. I'm in on that. That's

just the kind of chaos I'm looking for. No, I love that idea. Um, I will, uh, I'll take Will's out to us here. Uh, this is I knew I was going to lose it. Yeah. That was, that was what was on my board. Um, he kind of has a bit of a lacking PGA tour resume to this point. He just doesn't seem to do a lot very well at these quote piece of shit fucking putting

contests as John Rom would say. And want to have him coming back and swinging the way that he is, change the swing one, recovering from a back surgery to hitting the ball this good this fast. I mean, he really did not get much out of his golf this past weekend. He was playing just fantastic. Obviously up until I had to tweet about it on Saturday after staying so so fucking silent for so many Hours while watching that golf. I just had to say something totally put the cooler on him To have the putting figured out

I know that there was some replays of some of the short putts and all the hoes back here We go again his putting numbers look fantastic this week. I think he's a massive massive talent I think the harder the golf the better he gets and to see him kind of playing better. I think he's a massive, massive talent. I think the harder the golf, the better he gets. And to see him kind of playing better, I know this is a harder golf course, you know, on the PGA tour, but to see him playing better on like PGA tour golf courses and not just being like a Brooks Kepke who just peaks at the majors. Uh, I'm stoked for Will's out towards this major championship season this year.

Cause I do think I still think he's going to win one of these. I don't know if I have to need to change that prediction after what we just saw from Scotty, if he's going to win the Grand Slam, but, uh, I just very, very stoked for his outtourists. I love watching that dude play. I can't really explain it. He's not the most dynamic personality, but love his playing style, love watching his golf swing, and he's just an interesting dude to watch.

I would say, do you trust him solidly over like a three footer? do to watch. I would say, do you trust him? Sully over like a three footer. I was all in until I saw like a real D cell on like a, you know, six inch breaking putt on like a three footer on Saturday. I was like, Oh, I don't know, man. It's that reminded me of the ghost of Willie of Willie's past. He caught a well as a man. He did Cody just pulled up the Paulo Getty story from ESPN this week. I don't know if you guys saw that or not, but kind of a deep dive into Willy Z's comeback

and what he went through and what he went into and how he rebuilt the swing. Just really good details in there. People should definitely go read that. It was really good just because at least myself, I think I was like totally underselling, uh, kind of what he's been through the last, the last couple of years. I think with all the PIF stuff, all the live stuff, all the pro golf kind of falling apart and shitting down his leg stuff. I think it was hard to like take a deep dive into, you know, Willie Z's rehab. And Paulo kind of like got his arms around all of it and spelled out exactly what what was going on

and I just really enjoyed that piece because like what is he 26 25 and he's like basically rebuilding his golf swing. So not only was he like one of the foremost flushers on Planet Earth like now he's got to become one of the foremost flushers again Kind of with like a new golf swing to try to take pressure off of his back and he's changing his putting. He went to the broomstick instead of the armlock putter. It's just, there's a lot of good details in there and uh, I'm with you. So long live, Willie Z. 27 and a half. So he was, he was an older, uh, he's a Lud, he's a Ludvig. He's up there with Ludvig. Yeah. Uh, all right. Top of the order. Yeah. My number two pick was

going to be, uh, Rory just absolutely obliterating a T box. So I kind of mentioned it of the order. Yeah, my number two pick was going to be Rory just absolutely obliterating a T-box. So I kind of mentioned it in the thing. He gets my best supporting actor award for, you know, didn't necessarily going to win the big prize, but showing some emotions, showing that he kind of gives a shit. It was nice to see that he had a couple, a couple of what they call Oscar moments. You know, he was a his back 930 Yesterday blowing up the blowing up the the T Vox. That's kind of like man. Who was that? Who was that guy? I think I really stood out for a couple scenes kind of a Mark Ruffalo situation for me

D's like really entertaining really enjoyed the shit out of it made me smile Sure, Emma's the story. Yeah, that's he's not the he's not gonna get the big headliner word But you know, it should be acknowledged. I just think when players, you know, some people probably see that and see like someone being a whiny bitch, but I saw, see that as like, I think it's, it shows you give a shit that you care that you're bothered by the fact that your game is not there. He can, I was trying to explain to my wife about how Jordan's speed is an external processor and Rory's like an internal processor and how when they were playing together on Saturday, it's like, watch how Jordan will like,

just have a constant like running dialogue with his caddy, whereas Rory might say like 10 words to his caddy the entire day. So it was fun to see him today just go nuclear, even though it happened during playing through and was kind of barely commented on, sorry. So those are my number two players. So are you a YouTube TV guy as well?

Of course. You know how that, so they have the catch up to through key plays thing, which he used a lot for like baseball. If you tune in like the fifth inning, it's like, okay, it's three to one. Here's how the three runs happened. You know, whatever. Usually there's like six plays or whatever. And I turned it on and I missed the first, maybe like hour, hour and a half of the golf and was like, oh, I'll catch up through key plays.

And there was like 36 and like 12 of them were playing through. So I'm like, I'm like, I'm watching stuff from like an hour and a half ago and it's on playing through. It's like watching old commercials is just true, true nesting doll of ads type stuff. Can I, can I say, I don't know if we're in a new era, but I'm really proud of myself for, didn't say a word after Roy's 30 back nine 30 on Saturday and did not, I did not fake that he could come back and win today. I did not fall for it. Did not fall in the trap. I was prepared for that one to not, to not, just clarify, are we, are we, are we, uh, do we think it's a good sign

for his golf game going forward that he's showing this emotion? Because honestly after watching the full swing thing and watching him say like I think I need a full reboot and watching him continue to shit himself left like with irons has me like not I don't know I'm not seeing a guy who's giving a shit I'm seeing a guy who's like up against a wall with frustration and trying to pull off Shots that he should not like that. They're just not smart golf shots. And like, if you can't see how big the gap is in ball striking between him and Scotty right now and how they're picking apart golf courses, like, I don't know, man, that is just some really concerning stuff for, for Rory basically all season so far.

You know, I was thinking about a good, I guess, I guess. Well, I just think that, you know, I think it goes back to talk to somebody when we were a pebble about, you guys need to stop saying, Rory's great. Rory's gonna win a Masters eventually. Like it'd be beneficial to Rory if you said, Rory stinks. Rory cannot, like he's not gonna win a major this year. Like he's got way too many flaws in his game

because it would piss him off enough to hear him be like, you know what, I actually thrive on doubt. He's like, as soon as- Randy did that five years ago to Harry be like, you know what? I actually thrive on doubt He's like as soon as Randy did that five years ago though Was able to laugh it off and be like oh is this big Randy like you know in general What if everybody in the media like what if those are we just like there was a column out there? It was like Roy's Roy's a fraud Roy's not gonna win any majors I don't believe it But I think like that might fire him up enough

But maybe Scotty kick an ass all of a sudden and Rory being the person who said put them out in your hand or you know Otherwise, you know, other rest of us have a chance Maybe that'll be what flights of fire and Rory a little bit and be like, you know what fuck it Like I gotta play really disciplined really smart golf. I gotta not like I look what Scotty did He's not taking like a shit ton of chances. He's just putting himself in spots and, you know, hitting great irons when he has to and not, you know, I just think Rory needs something motivationally. That's a reboot, not necessarily swing reboot, my opinion. I think if golf was covered like other sports, the Rory coverage

right now would not be great. No, for sure. I think there's a lot of like, oh, he sees a great guy. He's got a lot on his mind, you know, whatever. Like that doesn't work that way in the NBA man or in the NFL. Like you get absolutely savaged if you are not playing up to your abilities. Nobody's like, oh, he'll figure it out

like in the rest of the season. Yeah, but also pay us like we are playing in the NFL. What I was going to say on that front was, I think part of what made some of the juice, like some of the West Coast swing really like lacking in juice other than, you know, obviously like all these guys kind of not really being there is I feel like a lot of those tournaments like January, February are just like, you can't really trick yourself into like, Oh, this is a really big deal for the masters. Whereas now I feel like almost Bayhills kind of

the first one where it's like, okay, now we're, we're starting to get close. And the reason I bring that up is like, is next week, like low key kind of a massive, massive week for Rory to show something. Yeah. I think so. To show you're like awake this season that you're going to be sort of, you know, you've gotten off all of the, you know, the committees you've eliminated distractions, like you've won on this golf course before. Because if right now It's like a lot of those the risk-taking and that kind of stuff I mean you could again the months and months and months leading up to the Masters you could convince me like ah He's playing for four times a year. He's you know, he's trying to he's trying to pull off a couple things

He's keeping himself entertained. He's keeping you know trying to keep himself in some sort of mindset or whatever But like the players is like okay, man, this is we're getting close now. Like go out and whatever your best is, like, let's let's see it. Let's let's not fuck around here anymore. Yeah, it we've seen when the players and not go on to win the Masters. We've seen him play bad at the players and not go on to win the Masters. It if the style of play was somewhat closer, I could maybe agree. It's just so, so different. Like it, you know,

Pete die is very, very technical skiing and, and you know, the, it is very flat and Augusta is all about. It's just totally different styles of golf shots. It really is totally different style of play, totally different greens that I'll go, yeah, you will, you want to see him doing something, but also like, again, Phil finished second master slash here. Like some dudes play great there and some don't. Um, I don't know. It, it is like, again, my whole thing, which was, you know, kind of what I was commenting on earlier in the week is like, do these, are these signature

events? Are these big events? Do they matter or not? Right? Totally. Look, we can maybe reach the conclusion that don't, that these are a massive failure and whatnot. Save everybody a lot of time. But dude, I mean, for what's left on the PGA tour, aside from Milton, everyone was there this week. Like that was all the best players in the world. So like, that doesn't happen all the time. Like, that's a big event. Like that's a really important, important event. Yeah, it never not makes me, never doesn't make me laugh every time.

Really don't know Tony F Fina's Dave is Milton. Well, I thought I was that's why I was like, I was really co-signing a lot of what you were saying earlier in the week, which is like, man, if, if, if we can't get fired up about these, and like, what are we even doing? If, if every week just turns into like, oh, why would you even care about this? Like you're, you're stupid. They're like, well, yeah, I guess maybe we shouldn't care about any of it then. Yeah. I don't know.

I have a point about that. I'd like to make in, in my next draft pick, but I think it's always turned so my turn, I think, but maybe so I want to do an ad read. I do want to do an ad read. We are, uh, we're all over the place here. This is a late one. We're going to have a shout out to guess who, you know it. Roeback, Roeback active where that was my worst transition Yeah, I don't like when somebody else teased me up for it, right? I need to go ice. So clear out

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Young man bursts onto the scene, British amateur champion, just really, maybe the coolest looking kid we've seen in the game of golf. He wins on the DP World Tour at the age of 17. That of course is Matteo Manacero And he goes on it by 2013. He's got four wins. He's 21 years old He looks like he's gonna be the next thing and then he doesn't win for almost 11 years until today Cody our guy is so back

You know, we've just been waiting for this moment and I, you know, just wasn't the best field in South Africa at the DP World Tour event. You know, probably not, but a win is a win as my guy said earlier and we're happy to see Mateo Ministero back in the winner's circle. D, you just spent so long. I think this is a, it's one of those things where you honestly forget about people. This pod never did not exist with last time he won. I just think it's one of those things where people like honestly forget about

how damn good he was. And like in this last month of our lives, when all the talks went about AK, who also had an awesome fucking day today about like how good it's got dammit. But it's a Mattel, like he lost his game. And for people like what the hell happened he wanted to chase speed. So he set out like a lot of people didn't try to to bulk up and get faster. And what it did is that took all of the skills away from he was a phenomenal ball striker. He had an amazing short game and he just made

buckets of putts. And it all went away because he tried to get a little bit more extra distance. He gave up the game for a little bit like straight up quit and then two years ago started putting things back together. One last year on the challenge tour got his full time card back on the DP World Tour. Now he's back in the winter circle. And like I said it's really damn hard to win. So yeah he is back man because this is awesome to win. Soly. So yeah, he is back, man, because this is awesome to see. Gradually, God, no, I don't know what back means, but then you're going to make me be the bad guy here. Like I'm shitting on Mateo Manacera after he just won, which I'm not trying to do at all.

I just like, I was stunned to see that before he's back. Like really he's back. We're going there. We did. He quit. He quit golf. The South African open has a long history of many like many fine performers. Mr. Gary player would say exactly right.

Was this the South African Open? No, I just know it was in South Africa. Thank you. Yes. There was some work wear open. Johnson work wear open. I believe they probably won that too. I mean, probably he was dude. Go look at some of the photos of him when he was like the young Italian guy winning the British AM.

He's just so he was so cool. I believe he's wearing no hat, hairs flying all over the place. Just that was like right when I started working in, in the golf industry. And I, it was a true like, who is that guy? That's going to be my dude. Uh, and just not a good, not a good pick over the last decade, but Can't believe he's 30 years old. I know it's crazy wild. Sorry to you.

Uh, I don't really know where I'm going with this other than like, I like Shane. I like when he pops up on screen. I like his interviews. Uh, I, I, I just, you know, he capitalized on a sponsors exemption He kind of floats in this weird space of like nobody ever really talks about him But he's a really good player, but he's not a great player and he was doing stuff He's got a great personality and you know, I really enjoyed him in full swing I just think he's like some of his moments in there and I don't know I we don't talk about him enough and I just wanted to say he's a positive I like when he's up on the leaderboard Like how well he plays this,

weirdly plays this Florida stretch here the last couple of years, several years he's done it. And I hope he, you know, hope he has a great major championship season. When we're inevitably cherry picking, like what becomes live 2.0, Kev, as you said, and we're just kind of picking like,

eh, let's just pick the guys we like and put them on a tour. I think Shaylau resolved that tour to your, to your point, solid. I'm down with that. Right. I'm listening guys with beards, guys who are a little thick around the middle. Like I can give behind that they deserve all the exemptions into all the events. Is any, any issues with the exemptions that kind of just hit me.

I know like if we're going to throw any shade at that, we got to probably throw shade at MAV getting into the AT&T as well for kind of the same, the same reasons, right? It's kind of a sponsor relations thing. I mean, my, my issue is like, you know, if we're going to try to separate these events from the rest of the events, it kind of seems like they, man, competition needs to rule the day and it needs to be very cut and dry as far as who gets in and who doesn't and who earned a spot and who didn't. And so I think you could kind of, you could kind of, you know, knock me either

way on that one, but I think my gut is kind of sponsor exemptions into these designated events, signature events, elevated events. Ultimately, probably not great. Maybe if you miss the cut, if you get a sponsor exemption, you should get, you shouldn't get any more sponsors exemptions to each thing. That's the Randy roll there. Like, yeah, we're, how about your chance? Adam Scott's a perfect example.

Right off the map. Yeah. That's, you know, he keeps getting exemptions into these things and because it's hard to policy. Remembering like comes in and missed the cut this week. It's like, that's, that's probably not great. Like perfect, perfect world scenario. Yeah, I do agree with you, D's, but they're paying so much damn money.

Why would they not get their brand of besters? Plus it makes me think of like how sick it would be. So, you know, we got like super hyped into F1, just like everyone else in America and then that quickly went away when I'm like, oh, yeah, cool. We have other stuff that we can watch again. But everybody has that second driver and at Pebble Beach. What did we see? Mav doing like he was the blocker for speed. So like every single AT&T thing

Jordan didn't have to do it because Mav was there who had to play with Condi You know, it wasn't Jordan Mav was out there. You know, just taking bullets Maybe that's what Shane did this week to free up our guy Max. Who knows? It's just Kyle you checked situation. Just let the stars perform. Like that would be sick too. If you had like the number two guys just out there like messing people up and like protecting the number one player, I can get down with that. But I don't know.

It's just a tough look when you see, you know, Adam, Missa, D'Cott and everything else like that. I agree with you. It just gets weird. A lot of baseball stuff tonight. I know, but it just gets weird when you start to get to this point of like, okay, here's our lineup. These guys have earned their spot.

And then of course, the third baseman, he will be starting because he's sponsored by Rawlings and like that just is there's a relationship there. So that's a catcher thing. Like, dude, that should, that guy should have been cut fucking years ago, but you know what he's sure there's got, you got exactly Savannah bananas. Just did that. fucking years ago, but you know what he's sure there's got you got exactly Savannah bananas just did This can't separate them. Yeah It I don't know

Maybe I'm too far down the rabbit hole of just being resigned to certain things in pro golf of like this is truly Extenduating circumstances for the PGA tour and like with in desperation They're asking, you know folks to pony up 25 million dollars like them being able to put their ambassador in the field doesn't it doesn't ruin it for me. Like it's still like, dude, yeah, what 90 plus percent almost 90% of this field is made up of dudes that are straight qualified. More than that, I can't do the math on the spot, but more than 90%. And if you look, if you can't beat the sponsor exemption that couldn't get in anyways, like, you know, that's on you as well. So, um, people are going to scrutinize it. It's not perfect. It's not great. But like at the same time, again, like I would point to like, who's the 70th guy

that is left out of this field. And it's probably a name. I don't, I can't like name somebody off the top of my head that like should have been in the field this week that wasn't so that's kind of where I net up All right, Kev last pick I'm gonna go with Anthony Kim shooting 65 in the live event in the final round still finished 50th out of 54 people But it's made seven birdies today, which you know including shot of 30 on the back nine The par 70 I know is only 6,700 yards or whatever. But I do think it's a kind of a fun sign. I don't know whether Anthony Kim will ever be good at golf again, but it do, it has to feel pretty good to, in a competitive event, to go out and shoot 65.

Like you, you may not be able to do it over a sustained period, but it does show like, Hey, there's still some talent there, whatever back injury that drove him from the game, uh, wasn't so debilitating that he can't play golf at a professional-ish level. And so I do think that was fun. I did, I didn't not like I stayed up till three in the morning to watch it, but I did catch the highlights. He seemed to be kind of a static afterwards, but it does want to use this to raise a question. I brought this up in our chat this week. How am I supposed to feel about live golfers

when they play poorly versus when they play bad? Because it seems to be a confusing message sometimes where like, you know what? If this shit matters and it's really important, then Legion 13, you're on notice because you finished 20 shots out of first this week. The crushers whooped that ass like Caleb Serrat terrible. Rahm is the only person was any good this week I'm saying if it matters that I want to be able to sort of get on your ass like look like why didn't you guys play better?

If it doesn't matter then like why should the good matter? Like why should I care about like the both have to matter? We have to be able to be like, you know what, Phil shoot, Natty, like that's a pretty shitty performance. Like maybe Phil doesn't deserve his spot and maybe the high flyers needed total reboot. But if like the good matters, then I'm willing to talk about the good too, as long as I can criticize the bad.

This is where I'm at with Lit. It's an expansion team. You got to give them a little bit, KBV. What is the touch flyers? What are they like a founding team? Frankly, they founded the whole fucking league. Yeah. There's a very Baltimore thing of you, just because you steal teams from other places.

You know, something it takes time. OK, give him a give him a little bit of it. But that's it. Now it takes time. Like this is in the Premier League, do we like say like, oh, why would you criticize that team for playing shitty? Like, no, like you're if you're a fan. Yeah, you get pissed in your past.

Yeah, I don't I just don't ever see any like live fans out there who'd be like man It's frustrating as a fan of the high flyers. No Suck it over and over again. I've pissed about Legion 13's performance this week I want some I think Tron is the only person who covers live honestly Genuinely angry when the teams his teams don't play well That's I feel like that's the way that live should be thought of covered going forward. If we're going to take this seriously as an actual thing, then we should be able to be like, you know what, that stinks.

Let me, let me, let me, let me float this thought, let me float this thought alternatively. Maybe what if it doesn't matter? Okay. What if the whole thing is a giant act and everybody's just making a shitload of money and a big sports wash again? What if that's what if like just imagine that world that maybe that might entertain that thought that it might be true. I don't know.

I feel like some people have said that that that's like the best possible way to like take the piss out of live is just like cover it like very earnestly and just you start to realize like how fucking stupid it sounds and KBV I'm with you. I hadn't really thought about it like that But like like the spectrum of takes is so wide right between like exactly what you said Like the bottom end of just I know who cares man. I got the bag like come on. Don't overthink it He's holding none of this matters. It's just there for the masters, right? Like he's good How are you insulting these guys what they're doing? You have no idea how hard it is. These guys are working behind the scenes.

Pioneers. It's just, it's such kidding. It's the way that even the fans cover the whole league. They never, they're never critical. They're never annoyed. They're never like, I wish they would do it this way. It's all just like, these guys are pissing in the potty. They're doing great.

Like, come on. On the AK note, also cool that, like, sincerely cool that I think he's playing the Macau event this week. Right? He's going to keep it going. He's going to go play an Asian tour event with a cut. 72 holes. We'll see.

If he doesn't make the cut, he doesn't make any money. I think that is a good kind of a counterbalance to like, he's a circus act. He's just there to play X number of contractual events and cash a check. Maybe he's got an interest in actually like, you know, getting out there and, and chasing it, man, chasing it. Yeah. I'm, I'm excited to see it. I will watch it, but I'm excited to see what happens. I think it would be so fun to like earnestly ask Bryson questions about like, like what did you think? I feel like your team is like on a dominant run right now.

Like I would love to get Bryson's earnest answers. It's like you were covering the league dead serious kind of way. And we should send solid there with a Saber metrics packet to start going through it like, so Bryson, this makes no sense to, for this golf course, you could have signed this guy to play this. This doesn't make any sense. Why are you waiting? That's a great point. And I, I mean, I'm not, I'm not some things to think about. Like we're really, you know, I'm going to play this. This doesn't make any sense. Why are you waiting? That's a great point.

And I, I mean, I'm not some things to think about. Like we're really, you know, I'm going to get the guys in the lab and just we're going to really reboot this. We're going to go in after this title. Our fans deserve more. Any of the price is team will come from him and his team only. AK think this is what like AK used to do though, just make like a million birdies fill it all the way up and have like bogeys and doubles and everything. So this is definitely positive signs.

I did not see this coming at all. And huge shout out to AK. I was just saw something that when he showed up to Saudi Arabia, he had like off the rack clubs that he didn't get fit for anything. He literally was just like, yeah, give me that driver and those woods and irons and I'm going to roll this shit and go still didn't know what a track man was. I guess I heard it was DJ or somebody else. I heard from a source Cody that he wanted to play with his 10 year old clubs, that he was like,

well, I got these little clubs there. I haven't hit them for a while. And they were like, well, let's at least get just some newer models, man. Like this technology's advanced a little bit. So I remained extremely apprehensive on anything, AK. And that I mean, what I said last week was just like, I hope, I hope whatever he's doing on the professional golf run is giving him the personal fulfillment he needs more than it, more than like, I want to see this, this be like upon in these massive golf wars,

which I have a sneaky, sneaky suspicion that it is. But I hope this is like, he's there on his own, like intuition and wants to be doing this and is seeking the personal fulfillment out of it more than like, you know, kind of being forced into this. Cause from all accounts, it sounds like it's happening way too fast. I don't know if one really good round out of six

changes a whole lot of forward prognosis for him. I hope to be wrong on that. Again, I hope he finds success and I hope that he's getting fulfillment out of six changes a whole lot of forward prognosis for him. I hope to be wrong on that again. I hope he finds success and I hope that he's getting fulfillment out of chasing whatever he's chasing. Um, but again, it's still really hard to like understand it all without having heard what you've been up to for the last like 12 years, man. Like we can't, it's really, really hard to, to just treat the golf like just. That matters this much.

I don't know. It's just an awkward spot. Which one of Phil Mickelson's chess moves do you think losing to Anthony Kim was? What's that? That's personal sacrifice. He's playing the trap, man. Yeah.

He's watching that in the Queens gambit. It was like, all right, I'm going to boost up my guy here. And then I'm going to run around with my rooks and my knife. You can't use my slack jokes against me in the show. This was you should have hired draft pick. Suffer for taking. All right. A lot of directions I can go with this last pick, you know, I am going to take I'm going to take Smiley's Friday happy hour as as my final pick.

NBC, you know, coming off the success of Smiley Kaufman and Kevin Kisner at the 16th at Waste Management and kind of chopping it up and having a good time and just doing a little bit of low stakes kind of interview type of coverage decided to bring in. I think they did this last week as well. They did with Paul Goldschmidt from the, from the shitty Cardinals. Los Cardinals. Best shout out to the best fans of baseball.

The, so the idea here was like bringing in Jordan Spieth and Max Homa on kind of just again, like some low stakes content on a Friday, you know, you've got the, you're watching the final couple of groups finish up on the golf course, but you're also kind of sort of acting a little bit like a podcast, just asking these guys some, you know, questions about not only Bay Hill and they had just both come off the golf course and were given some good insight on how the course was playing and what was different and how the course has changed over the years, but also just kind of, you know, weaving in, dare I say, some fun moments,

maybe a little bit forced, but ultimately, I think probably pretty fun stuff. Probably a little, maybe a little kind of over just gripping the steering wheel a little too hard still by the production team, maybe. I think like, you know, in a weird way, I don't want to have it both ways, but like, I feel like the weeks I'm really looking for this is not necessarily like the biggest weeks of the year where the golf kind of does speak for itself, but more on like those other weeks where it's like, man, that's where it feels like you could, you know,

get some really good stuff and differentiate yourself. But yeah, still a lot of like, it's less like kind of two guys hanging out and, you know, chopping it up and more just like eight talking heads, kind of all trying to get a word in and graphics and pre-packaged things. And it just feels like a lot of work and I don't know how sustainable that is. Whereas I feel like just getting guys to come in, chop it up for a while and like have a good time would be a lot, a lot easier for everybody.

We don't need the booth also with those two guys. Like just let them go. Like you can just tell Smiley's got, you know, producers in his ear and they're trying to balance all this stuff and like, all right, go Bezany, go do it. And like just let them go, let them run. I think there's plenty of room for a half an hour. You know, with commercials in there,

you're probably talking 22 minutes or something like that. Just go to the different golf shots. You don't need, I just don't need to hear, Oh, this putt's going to move left to right, you know, from, you know, an announcer every single hour of every hour of coverage, like let them run. And I think if you don't have those guys in there, like, I think back to like when we did the PGH championship thing, uh, with ESPN last year, and it's a lot of like just watching, you know, you're watching a ton of different stuff.

And it gives you like an opportunity to talk about a ton of different things. I'd almost rather have like Jordan and Smiley watch the actual coverage, not just like the one hole. They're just like sitting there at 16 and then it gets hard because like you're just saying 10 times in a row like, Oh, this guy's a great putter. Bet this one goes in. You know, like when you're actually flying around all the golf course, you're almost like playing the golf as it would normally play on a Friday. And you're just kind of like slotting those two guys in underneath it is kind of feels like the sweet spot to me. And that's where it's like, Oh, we're over here on the seventh hole.

And now all of a sudden we have a shot of Denny McCarthy and like, Oh, Jordan's got this great Denny McCarthy story. He can tell over the next, you know, two minutes is kind of like a that's what it feels like would be better But I want to praise progress that it seemed like they they gave a shit They put in some effort and I was I was for one borderline entertained Can I throw out a suggestion that? Would maybe for next week if I come over like Steve Cohen or Arthur blank I would call up Tiger and be like I would love to see you in the booth for an hour

Like you're gonna not to play in this event. How about go in there and just throw some Tiger Zingers out there and all these people. Tell some, you know, tell some of your, your story. So I use some nicknames because I would be into that. I would love to hear Tiger be like, oh, well, you got to hit a, you know, big trap draw here. You know, this is, this is a perfect, perfect place to hit better than most. But this one, watch this.

Well, you know, Sansi, I've made that pun a few times. That would be awesome. I think that would be growing the whole pie or whatever of not the game, but the PGHR Enterprises pie. If you can't use Tiger to play every week, like tell them, hey, you know what, we could really use the help here of you being in the booth and throwing out some of your Tiger Zingers. How do you guys feel?

And this is doing these guys dirty cause I do not mean to bring these two ideas back to back because, uh, what is going to pale in comparison? But how do you feel about them? Bring it Roger Mopey, Gary Coke into the booth. Cause I was, I brought that up and like, Oh, you know what? I actually really liked both of those guys and I kind of miss them. And I, I will actually appreciate hearing from them compared to having Tiger in the booth for a couple of hours. Obviously it's a little

different, but again, I think it shows maybe at least a little bit of like creativity and like let's not just like keep doing exactly the same thing every week. So I don't know. It's a little bit like playing the hits that, you know, you think that the older crowd wants to hear and you know, I think Tiger is probably a little bit updated version of that. So I don't hate the idea of those guys, but I don't think it would quite be as much like obviously like this was the fill role that he should have played for 1520 years, right? He would have been so good at this and would have made you want to hear him just like Johnny Miller did. So you don't have a replacement for Phil in that sense. I do think that like, it looks like Kevin Kizner is going to get that

seat and he think he's pretty good at it. He, I am not personally like in love with Luke Donald as the sort of person in that chair and I think Kizner's is better. And so I'm glad they're soon to be leaning that way, but, uh, you know, a tri-shit might as well try it. Yeah. I think there's Nothing offensive about Raj and Gary Koch

I think after listen to them every Sunday for a long period of time You can kind of get a little fatigue of them and they don't really say anything controversial I don't really say anything, you know that offends you right but you know It'll be it'll be nice to have some familiar voices back those but that team worked so well when they had Johnny Like Dan Hicks to Johnny, to Raj, to Gary was like, that was good TV. That really was. But Johnny was the glue and like ever since then, it's just not been the same kind of vibe among that group. My final draft pick, I just want to give a big shout out to massive, massive ejections.

Like just totally blowing out the O-ring and just enormous explosions like we saw on the sixth hole a couple times this week. Tommy Fleetwood made a 10 on six and then Jake Knapp after I watched him eagle that hole when he was playing with JT earlier in the week and then just ejected with a 12 on Saturday before I had even had a chance to get to a television. I just that is one thing that Bay Hill gives us that six hole will always give us is

massive, massive multi-car pileups like we saw there. So shout out for that one. Stands referred to it as one of the great par fives in the world. Yeah, totally. Defended. Is that what you say that? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. I think of like 13 Augusta and then like six Bay Hill, like the dog of dog like laughs. So it's the two that come to mind. I think six is sweet.

On ironically, I think it's dope. I'm in on it. It's must see TV. It's also just like it is. I don't know, dude. I, Bryson driving the six, that was so awesome. That line was like truly one of the best PJ tour moments of the last five years. Totally. We had no idea how good we had it in 2021. We really had everything. Maybe that's what's holding up the deal is that Bryson really wants to go play that. And they're just not sure if they want that spectacle again. And until they get an agreement on whether Bryson's gonna be allowed to drive

that whole, then we're just going to keep pushing it back. Do you think those that six week stretch, do you think that what is the peak of the PJ Tour? I think it was all down up from there. Just kind of wish like every week he's going there like we're getting like these reports. It's like the Babe Ruth like train.

Remember they had to put the OBN at the players. Yeah, they're having it like they're not going to believe what's going on this week. Bryson is back put the OBN at the players? They're having it like, I'm not gonna believe what's going on this week. Bryson is back and he's taking all the boys. They're having to build taller nets every week. He shows up. He was true. He's put on 50 pounds.

The heritage spent like $200,000 on the additional net and then he didn't come. Like that was amazing. That might be as good as it's gonna get. I kind of wish we had bought that NFT that he put up personally. Imagine if we just still had that. That would be a good killhouse and memoriam type thing. It really is hard for me to separate out all, the Arnie fawning and the fawning on the broadcast, like the things like that of, you know, the six that at Bay Hills, one

of the best par fives in the world. It's hard for that not to be a strike against this tournament because the whole thing is just like, it's a massive commercial load every year. Somehow better than last year. And it just like, it just, this term, it always just feels so dated. Everything feels so dated, and it, I don't know, that's such a contributing factor is just how everything, they tie everything back to Arne

in some corny way, and I don't mean to diminish the effect he's had on the game, but it just feels like such an unnatural way to honor him just because it leaves me with bad taste in my mouth every year, that part. And that's cumbersome. That in my mouth every year, that part. Yeah. That's come by, that's come to take a note. Well, I say this every year on this podcast, like the week before the players is like, especially look at like how it stands in contrast to the

players. Cause I always like, you know, I, you know, unabashed PJ tour Dick rider here, but like the players is sweet. And NBC usually balls out. And I think a lot of that is like the PJ Tour probably paying for extra production costs and making sure all the bells and whistles are there and whatever, but when that tournament's like turned up to a million and you have a good finish,

like that's pretty much as good at like that's up there, man. That's up there with truly like up there with the majors too, I think. And I'm not saying it is a major or any of that stuff, but the TV product, when it goes commercial free of guys playing 16, 17, 18 truly is like as good as it gets. And he got gold boy as the commenters are inviting me. So yeah, it's, I don't know, it's an interesting one

because it's the same tour, it's the same players, it's the same broadcast. So a lot of it probably is that saccharine kind of arny stuff. And look, play it at like a control Cudger club. Some deer. They should just go back to the trove and they'd be really like, you know, we're going to play this from 6,800 yards and you guys, everybody grab a club out of the barn and go, yes. And, you know, you guys talked Bay Hill earlier.

I know I was hard on Bay Hill in our preview and I know I've been hard on in the past. And I thought about it more this week. I have to revise my take a bit. I do have to revise it a bit. It's worse than I said out loud. Like it's only redeeming factors that it's hard, truly. Like I get that people like hard and I'd rather watch hard golf than easy golf

but it's just everything I hate about golf course design and setup. It's again, the tough conditions again, this is going to be confusing, I'm well aware of that, don't care. The tough conditions, it brings out the worst of the golf course. I'd still rather watch it because it does skew on the so bad it's entertaining spectrum for me but it's just so much grass. It becomes a chipping contest from a foot off the green, unnatural mowing lines, dog legs that don't really make sense, just balls that a very mediocre shot can end up in the same spot as a very good shot just because of how firm the greens get and how the ball is going

to roll through it. And again, some of this stuff matters people. Most people, it doesn't matter too. I just do not try to get in my mentions and try to dunk on me on my Bay Hill takes. Don't say that I'm inconsistent about what I like about golf courses. Don't try to, like we've made it very, very clear

on like Riviera as to why that's entertaining. And a lot of that is incredible contouring and short rough that promotes creative shot making and really weak contouring and thick rough that promotes no exciting shot making is there are two ends of the spectrum for me. And that is, that is how I feel about Bay Hill. You have the same time. It's very interesting to watch dudes go through this like test.

It's just a very exhausting watch for four days for me. I just, I don't like watching chipping out of that stuff. Brandl tried to make the point that it's, oh, people online are saying that, you know, it only promotes one kind of shot. That's just not accurate. It's like, no, it's extremely accurate. And short grass promotes many different kinds of shots, and long grass doesn't. So that's my take on the situation.

I just got to like, as an impure like chaos agent, that they have to like take lines over people's patios. And like fucking there's a little road in the middle. There's a bush in front of a T-box. And like some of the lines that like Rory has to take to hit like his normal shot are just flat out stupid. And I sort of enjoy him being forced to do that kind of stuff. Scotty shows that like you can take the like the intended line and still thread it through these bunkers, whatever. I don't know. It's just it's dumb, but I kind of a min on it. I don't care. I what I do think is frustrating is that other tournaments Maybe they can't do this with the conditions or maybe there's memberships that won't allow it or whatever But I wish they could make it as firm and as difficult at least as firm as bail is like it's fun to see

Balls hit the green and like roll out 20 feet because then you know like it's a good shot It's a good shot and how often on the PGA tour Do you see someone take a 7 iron and hit it and the ball hits the green and rolls out You know 30 feet like I think that's pretty rare a lot of a lot of time because they're just hitting wedges So like at least Bay Hill promotes you to have to hit some longer shots into the bar fives or like you have to Take on the dog leg if you're gonna get it up closer to be able to hit a wedge or lay back and hit a longer club dog leg if you're gonna get up closer to be able to hit a wedge or lay back and hit a longer club.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani And again, just to clarify this is what when firm becomes really interesting, it's when you do have like somewhat of options and there's interesting contouring that gets accentuated from the firmness when it's really narrow and the greens are like angled funny and not very not that big in general like the first green, the 10th green, the angle that you come into on the second green, like there's just no, there's not like, I watched so many really good shots, like end up a foot off the green in the thickest possible rough, which is just like, so not, it's just not good architecture.

It's not fun to watch. I've done it three times, Sully. That first time was chipping all over the face off this week. I don't think that's fun to watch. If you do, I'm not here to tell you you're wrong, but that is what. But what I do like a lot of time, I just drop in everybody there and then just making it like a chipping. That's kind of my, that's kind of my point.

What I do like is making this really a signature event and making it like not skippable in terms of like how you like because part of what worked against this this event was failing in a lot of ways because guys were skipping it because it's too hard set up is too ridiculous guys did not like the golf course that's still all true but now it's like no you all got to play it like you all got to go through that I at least like that part of it right as this has a role on the PGA tour still I do I am entertained by this tournament every year I was stoked to watch today. It's like I said this Wednesday, but it's a difficult Thursday, Friday,

even in the Saturday watch, but it's like, I want to see that Sunday still on this golf course, even if it's bad architecture, bad design, and not what I like about watching pro golfers go through, it still has a role to play. And that, that is where I, uh, I feel like I called my shot on the Wednesday, the Wednesday show, but just load management Thursday. Yeah, we will not be participating. Please don't, my phone is on do not disturb. Please don't contact me. I won't be watching any shots. Please let me know who's winning at the end of the day. That's about all I need. Friday,

I turned in for the happy hour, which was great. Ejected Saturday, watched the finish, and then Sunday, watched all day. And I feel, I feel feel great I feel like I haven't been eating just junk food all week You know, I just just kept it really light this week and I'm you know, I'm fighting shape ready to go Can't OD on Bay Hill man. That's so that's a rookie mistake That's mistaken. I got the golf midday Friday was like even the PJ Tour live people were like we've never had an hour of golf like this It was so bad More cow I just sucky Rory. It was so bad. More cow. I just sucky. Rory. It was, it was a tough scene, but, um,

does anyone need any supplemental draft picks here? You know, does it feel like you're, you have any reason they need to throw anything else out? I was going to throw out Joe Ogilvy joining the board of, of PJ Torn Enterprises. I think it's interesting. I don't have a lot to say about it, but you know, a guy that's kind of, I think always been, even since I worked at the tour was kind of just always around like, you know, this, this kind of like honorary, the half player, half commissioner, half executive type of type of person. So I think that's a really interesting thing to like actually happen. So that's interesting. Bailey Tardy, obviously winning on the LPGA is a cool story.

She's kind of been a, KVV, she's one of those grinders that you're, you know, get out there and tell those stories. She's, she's a, she's a good one. She's an up and comer. Listen, she did the opposite of what Rory did was Randy called her out and she, you know, she delivered and one, maybe Rory needs to look to Bailey Tardy and see that the, that's a motivating factors are as possible. She delivered and one maybe Roy needs to look to Bailey tardy and see that the Motivating factors are as possible and in contrast, I think thrown her out like in contrast to the The men's side of things. I think she's the first first-time winner of the season for them Like it's kind of been hitters only on the LPGA. It's been a lot of big-name winners

I think she's the first kind of debut It's been a lot of big name winners. And I think she's the first kind of debut, uh, winner over there. I got a call out, um, saw Hith another top 10, uh, in a big event and bacon pointed this out on Twitter as well. Like the dude has started to drive his golf ball. He had 11 of 14 fairways today, gained over two shots off the T, which is very hard to do led the field and strokes gain off the T today. Uh, he led the field and driving distance while hitting 11 fairways today. Like it's if he can drive it like that, he

had a rich, a really bad iron week, but you know, he's going to chip it. You know, he's going to putt it. Um, the saw if is taking the leap right in front of us. He's, he's had a clear up in play, uh, this year and to see him do it in a big event on a difficult golf course is, is a good thing. And you know, it keeps playing really good golf is Ben on that dude. It's up there all the fricking time. Another top 10 this week in a big event on a difficult golf courses is a good thing. And you know, he keeps playing really good golf is Ben on that dude. It's up there all the fricking time. Another top 10 this week in a signature event. I know what he ever talks about him, but he just is playing tremendous, tremendous golf. I think Wyndham Clark, too, I want to shout out to him because I feel like

Wyndham has shown this year that he's legitimately a top 10 player in the world. It wasn't a fluke. You know, we might look back on that US open win and be like, oh yeah, like Wyndham Clark won two majors in his career. Of course it was not a big surprise that he outdualed Rory at a great golf course. Like that makes sense.

That was a truly great sort of historical clash between, you know, two, you know, bombers who are, you know, I think just Wyndham's short game is like really fun to watch. Like he's, he's obviously figured out something and putting that makes him a really, I mean, he's unbelievable leg putter. I'm always impressed at how that he's 30, 40 feet away and the ball is just dying right around the hole. And so I, I don't know that I don't know what would be a great fit for him.

My Valhalla kind of maybe comes to mind as like, yeah, I can see that dude win another major there. It's, it's, I think it's rare to probably, you know, if you're win majors in like back to back years, but also like you win them in bunches, right? Your windows are not that big. So really could be. Windham's kind of time in a lot of ways is being the next tier below Scotty, below John Rom, below Brooks Kepke

Whatever can we just shout this of last fiscal year? He won the Wells Fargo won the US Open one pebble an elevated event and almost one that runner up to this one to Scotty's Runaway like he almost won three signature events and a major in less than 12 months Like it's been a very very very good stretch good stretch of golf. His style of play seems really, really sustainable. He 190 mile an hour, like baby fade drivers is going to play really well in the PJ tour and he's really good iron player and has some hot peak putting weeks. Like it's been an impressive step up. Um, didn't really endear himself a lot of ways this week.

Uh, a little whiny, a little, you know, chopping at the ground after, you know, a, a, a chunk chip that was in kind of pitch, whatever that was in a, in a pitch mark. And then seem like he also hated Bay Hill. You guys can probably find some community in that. We might, I might, that's why I'm a, I'm a, uh, yeah, big fan, but, uh, Saturday, last hole, 18th hole. I'm curious, you guys thoughts on this. I'm very complicated thoughts personally on, he's in the very thick rough to the right of 18 He lays a club behind it. They zoom in on it, of course

And it certainly looked to me like the ball moved positions And they looked at it afterwards. They agreed that it didn't move and he was not penalized What did you guys have strong feelings about all this? That was a that also? This was the first time ever like I was it was a Saturday evening and I was like, I, I saw it happening. I almost always never see the bullshit tweet storms like that ruined my night coming. This was like, oh, I'm not going to spend my Saturday night on Twitter. I agree. Whether his ball moved an inch. I'm not going to say anything about this. I always struggle. This is a bit like worded across Twitter where I'm just like, listen,

I don't know, man, there's pros that are paid to work on this sort of thing who dedicate their lives to like the rules of golf who know a lot more about it than I do. But if someone was to ask me like, Hey, watch this video, do you think he's mashing this down and like, do you think he's ball moving back? Oh yeah, absolutely. Definitely is what it feels like to me. But like, listen, if do Spabak is watching it and saying like, I just, I don't really think so. And they're in the truck saying, I don't really think so. Then like, I don't know. I certainly don't feel strong enough to like overrule what those guys are saying. But it's like, yeah, if you're asking me what I think about it, like, yeah, it looks awful. I think he's definitely mashed

the rough down and definitely like the ball moved. But I don't know. I'm of the same belief of like you guys that the ball moved. I don't think he like was intending to I don't think he was intending to make the lie better. I just I don't really think like you do that. Where I get into this, I think it's complicated is the golf is then unforced. It's enforced unevenly. Like, right? Because there's a ton of chips all around Bay Hill, all throughout the week

that are not on camera, that are not on Saturday. And I don't know how like, I guess I'm a little bit like we can slow this stuff down and get in super slow mo. We didn't always have those options and golf kind of survived, right? Golf was people who were able to penalize themselves when they actually thought that they moved the ball. I just, I don't know what to do about the situation where 10% of the field is playing to a certain standard of the rules.

And the other 90% are kind of not. And when we talk about, well, there's a lot of money involved, like there's a lot of money involved in careers involved for the other 90% too. And they're just not subject to the same scrutiny. The best, the best conspiracy ever is like, that makes it pretty interesting. Patrick Green made it through so many of those Monday qualifiers. Not a lot of cameras out there.

These, what DJ is saying is coincidental. And it's only, I said a conspiracy. I would ever, ever believe something like that. Stephen Britton, who's a friend of ours, who's a golf course superintendent as well, asked the question when you have over seated ryegrass, rough over four inches, juiced up with fertilizer, how do you place your club behind the ball without it moving?

The player almost needs to hover the club every time with rough that thick. So that's where I go back to like, dude, this is a crazy bullshit setup that we have right here. Are we saying the rule is now for players players you can't like ground your club in the rough? Cause that again, I don't know how you do both of these things, how you can tightly enforce this rule and also have rough this thick,

right? Because as long as I played golf, like you put your club down behind your ball as where it, you know, it kind of in line of where it's going to hit the ball, right? That's, nobody I know, like hovers the ball above the rough. Like that's the other Nicholas. That's the alternative like option here, right? Otherwise, like this rule is really hard to write, right? I don't know. You know, when this happened with Ram at the Memorial several years ago, like the label of his ball moved to the ball moved to a different location. Right. That was a very, that was very clear to me. Right.

This is, I still think more clear. Like if they'd have said it moved, I'd be like, yeah, it does. It did. I can't like, I'm not yelling at the screen. Like it moved. This is crazy cheating that's going on here, but it just seems really, really, really hard to enforce. And I don't know if they need to look at it again, or if they want to say like, hey, this, this is allowed. What just happened there, like that ball moved a little bit, but this is allowed is maybe the better option as well.

So you've played a lot of competitive golf. You've never in a tournament gone up there and you're like, wow, this, this ball's just kind of teed up here in this rough. I'm afraid to put, you know, ground my club behind it because it might move down. That's never happened. I think I wouldn't consider this ball teed up. Was it teed up? No, no, I'm not saying that.

I'm saying that you've never, because you just said you're like, I've never hovered my club or anything to make sure that that the ball wouldn't move, which I think it's crazy because I think that happens to me a lot. I think I was like, it's actually a horrible story for me, but my sophomore year in high school called a penalty on myself. Shout out to Mr. Palmer because I improved the lie because I like an idiot went up there and put my three iron down behind this ball and it literally just dropped straight down.

And I was like, fuck man. Like I popped my head up and like the two guys that I was without a plan with were like staring right at me. I'm like, yeah, it moved man. I'll call the penalty on myself. But I think it's grass dependent. And that's what I think the great job that Steven does because there's not a lot of options around it outside of like, don't ground your club. And we saw this a lot the beginning of last year as well. I know TC was hammering Scotty for this because Scotty also has a tendency to

just kind of get there and start tapping around to make sure that you can get some decent contact on the ball. It happens every single week. I think what this this circumstance now with Wyndham is just now the cameras are always on you dog. And I think it comes back to like the tour if they're going to call it call call it and make it stick. If not, then keep it moving. But then at the day, I don't think like the way that he went about it, he actually made it worse for himself. So I think that needs to like weigh into this as well. When's the last time you saw a player like who was, you know, in contention call a penalty on themselves? I don't think it happens anymore. They're always like, oh, what the rules people sort of sort this out.

Where it's just, I don't know. I don't remember it was Brian Davis like a million years ago in that playoff. It just seems like they do not do that kind of thing. They're just, they're never willing to sort of accept. Like I might have done something wrong here. You know, there's all these stories out there golf lore of like, I slept on this

and I just couldn't live with myself. And decided to call penalty on myself like, man, that does not happen anymore. Well, rules have shifted a little bit more away to be like, for some of these, like the ball oscillated isn't a penalty anymore. Or like, some of these, like you ground your club now in in water hazards or something like that, they're just a little bit more leeway in a lot of those things to be more intent based. So there's a lot of those things to be more intent based.

So there's less likelihood of like having to call penalty on yourself since 2019, but it does seem like the first thing, only thing that came to mind was when Brahmack's still, he just picked up his ball in the green instead of marking it. Like he, he called a penalty on himself was the, that's the most recent one I could think of, uh, of just totally forgot to mark his ball. That was sick, but, uh, I, uh, mostly all that to say pretty much unsubscribe from this one just cause like I, I don't, I don't care that much.

People get this fired up about something like this one. Again, I would point this out brother. Wow. It's selective with the rules. So I hate seeing this man. No, this is the rule. I guess we'll just apply it whenever you want This is me blaming the thick-ass rough this happened at Riv I would feel pretty probably pretty differently about it one We'd have a clear shot of the ball because it wouldn't be sitting in four inch rough and like that's a different It's just a this is a bullshit way of playing golf. I really do think it's this very unnatural It's over seated ride at that thick like you're just gonna get some really squirrely situations like this and it probably happened

on so many green side shots over the course this week. Anyways, we didn't mention Spieth at all this week. Guys, the guy is playing golf. Like he's got two months left on the lease and he just knows that he's not gonna get the security deposit back. Like he's not taking care of the place anymore. Like he's just, he, uh, you know, reaching for provisionals

while twice this week for, uh, with balls that were still in the air and just like watching a, like two shots vaporize that quickly on two different occasions and knowing how valuable each shot is on the PGA tour. Uh, it's just, he just cannot maintain the forward momentum for 72 holes. And he's just showing flashes of it. I know Porter was tweeting out stuff of like his stroke skein looks really good, good in line with how he usually performs in the Masters, but man, it just still does not seem like he's capable of putting 72 good holes together.

Yeah, it just is hard. I again, I know it's, it's one week. It's one round. It's whatever from Scotty today, but it's just hard not to like, but have a Scotty sized shadow over every other like player performance, right? Where it's like, yeah, maybe he like, even if he puts 72 holes together, like he's also got to like, you need Scotty to like come backwards based on what we've seen the last, what? Two years from, from Scotty. I don't know. It's hard to, it's hard to not think of things in that, you know, in those terms.

I once, Porter and I were once walking around the, uh, I think it was the PGA championship was when Kepka won and speed was in second that year. And he was just making like every single putt that he looked at whatever. And I was like, you know what? It feels like watching Jordan play in this era is like watching a guy like ride a unicycle down a flight of stairs. Like you can either be really impressed

that the dude is still doing it and not crashing or you can be like, he's gonna crash eventually. Like you can look at it two different ways. And that's just how I always feel about him. Like, yeah, man, like he's, he's gonna do some shit. He's going to hit some shots left handed. Like he's completely going to, you know, reach for a ball in midair when, when he's already bombing one of the middle of the lake.

And you'll never convince me that he's not someone who could contend at Augusta because that place like lights up his brain in ways that other courses, you know, or a British open, like he, I feel like he could always be in convention at one of those. But in a day to day week to week PJ Tour tournament, like I just, I don't really think that that's his kind of golf anymore. I hate hearing that, but I'm afraid you're right. I am afraid you're right there. We should mention Abe answer. He gave him a five shot 36 hole lead But did come back to win in a playoff with Paul Casey In cam Smith cam Smith finally playing a little bit of golf been waiting for for that one for quite some time

Yokey look at the crushers sorry to the crushers crushers one again, of course Yokey neeman, uh, as neah would say is one shot out of the playoff Guy truly is one of the hottest golfers in the world, unlike, you know, Nick Hardy at this moment. Just some noteworthy performances as we get close to the majors. Bryson T6 this week, Rom T8, DJ T21, Keppke 28th, Patrick Reed T29 and Phil finish T52 out of 54 guys this week. So don't think that means anything, really, but just worth keeping an eye on.

It's 6,700 yards course in Hong Kong. It was quite tight from what I, what I understand, but. I still would love to see another, another Cam Smith major run at some point, be it a master's or another British open or whatever. Be good at golf again. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I mean, he's well I mean, he's a he's a great example of the worry of like would you not be quite as driven or as motivated when you

Made a shit ton of money and I don't I don't maybe he just was peaking at that right moment When he was the best player in the world in some ways and now he's just kind of regressed to more what he is but He hasn't really contended in anything since, right? That mattered that you cared about. I know you want to live event at some point. We want to down in Australia and some smaller thing, but like with a field of shit ton of people, like he just doesn't feel like he's a big threat. I'm not going to, maybe Augusta will be his, you know, he's played well there

several times. Yeah. Last year he was T 34th, the masters. He was fourth at the US Open T 33 at at the Open Championship T nine at the PGA. Um, the U. S. Open was, was back door. He shot like a 63 on the final round or something to rise up. But no, he was not the normal competitive self. He's fallen to 59th in the data golf rankings. Now, um, just in his, his current like, uh, strokes gain profile does not look very good.

In fact, it's below average professional golfer so far to this point this year, not factoring in this past week. So where's SI rank him or the Tugger reigning? It was a tough week because they played such a short course. The SI rankings are a bit of a tough week to have done very well. What a humiliating. I don't even think we shit on that enough when it came out. What a humiliating, just groveling, thirsty ass type of exercise.

That was the distance per shot rankings. Well, it was serious, with a serious publication, with a straight face coming out with that, just hoping that you could drum up engagement from the live bots. You fucking losers. I I would love to see like some of these people that have so many problems with how all the rankings are done. I would love to see them just like sit down with like, if you guys ever read, I hope not.

I hope people don't read this, like read the data golf, the model for how they come up with like their strokes, gain stuff and like tell them that they're wrong, like give, give me a better way to do this than the way they're doing it. Right. Like there's all the shit you haven't even thought of long term, short term, and tell them that they're wrong. Give me a better way to do this than the way they're doing it, right? There's all this shit you haven't even thought of, long-term, short-term, all this stuff. It's like, there's probably just a pretty decent estimate as to where you rank among professional golfers.

Any other noteworthy performances? I have one other exercise for us tonight as we turn our eyes towards the players this coming week. What would your guys questions, top questions, if you're Jay Monahan, if you're in the presser this week, maybe I will be, I will be actually. And maybe maybe I'll ask one of these. If you if you. Big J is all he great. Go. What questions would you have for for Jay Monahan this week?

So are my asking questions that I think are going to get any kind of answers or am I doing that performative thing where I'm like Mr. Monahan In the eye Cuz you know I could go either way I mean I Start I can start if you want because I think this is a little bit of both This one's a little bit performative and a little bit like kind of pins you down and you got to answer a question here. I'd say you went on TV on June 6th with Yoster announcing

the framework agreement. You at the deal book summit, you said that you clearly see a deal with the PIF happening. Are you still committed to working out an agreement with the PIF? Yeah. That's kind of the billion dollar question, I guess. Like if I ask you if you ask like, all right, you know, what is competitive golf look like you're gonna get a swimming, you're not gonna get a good answer, right? That is the that's the trillion dollar question, right? Is like, dude, tell me what the golf tournaments are gonna look like. That's all we really actually care about in all this. But like, hey, are we are you doing a deal with PIF or not?

Like, are you? Is everyone gonna come back together or not? Is kind of the only thing that matters? I think I would maybe ask what, like I would have to think of the right way to frame this, but it's hard to speak out of both sides of your mouth when there's been so much of the legacy over leverage, the history of the PGA tour is our so much of the legacy over leverage, the history of the

PGA Tour is our biggest strength, all of those things, but like, almost like how committed are you to unwinding some of that for what's best for the future of pro golf? Do you know what I mean? Like, basically how, how for or against the idea of like creating two different tours inside the PGA Tour, would you be? What do you think about a stars tour and a people trying to make the stars tour? I think trying to get a real answer from him on what kind of standing the mules have now that you've kind of pivoted to a for-profit enterprise rather than the 501c6, like membership organization, everyone has a voice.

That would be a big, would have to obviously come up with a more concise way to ask that, but some sort of like how has the Mule's voice changed over the last year with this new PJTorR enterprises? Which would you put that in the category of expecting an answer on that one? Cause I, I, uh, I mean, no, but that's where all of this has just become such a like performative thing. Like you said, KVV in the first place.

I have three questions. Will you debate Phil Mickelson in an open forum with a winner getting a million dollars to go into charity? I don't care. You could pick the venue. Maybe we do it on Rogan. Maybe we do it on an L. U Maybe we do it on fair ways to heaven whatever the fuck Debate of debate. What do you guys lose? Okay, like Bill's ready. Bill's been like warming up on Twitter for two years for this shit So will you do it? If not, are you a coward?

to In the seriousness, are you the right man for the job going forward? And why? There are so many like big business issues, you are not a like, business person, you've been a person who has like been good at sponsorship dollars and, you know, running the players running tournaments or whatever. Isn't there someone, you're not going to get an answer to this like, this is a satisfaction, but it feels like worth asking. Isn't there someone who could show better like strategic leadership for the future going forward? And I forget my third one. Yeah. Oh, like, I know I forgot it again. Sorry.

I was one of them was going to be a what grade would you give yourself over the last four years? Be an interesting answer. That's yeah, that's a tough one I feel like some teachers have looked me in the eye and asked me similar questions to that doesn't doesn't feel great well, I Mean it look I do feel somewhat I Think he wants to do the right thing, but he's in a position where he's got so many different interests.

I think solid that he, if he was given truth serum, he would sort of say, dude, I'm in a spot where like I thought I had solved the issue. And then all of these players were like, we're not fucking signing a deal with the PIF. Like you told us this was a terrible idea. And we believed you. We stood back and now you got to basically figure out a way to get us paid and we don't want these guys to come back and fuck all them. And so I think he probably was like, shit, like I'm just doing my best here. I don't, that's why he was so stressed out. That's why he was sort of dealing

with, I feel like the walls are closing in. And so I think he's in an impossible spot now. He put himself in that spot in a lot of ways. But I think that's the sort of answer ultimately is like, yeah, dude, I don't know. You think you can convince like Patrick Cantley and Jordan Spieth and Peter Malnotti and Joe Ogilvy and Murray McElroy and all these people to get along and to vote yes

and to please give y'all, I mean, what if the stupid sticking point is like Yasser still wants like a custom membership? And Jay's like, I literally can't do this, man. Like they wouldn't give one to Bill Gates for whatever when he was the rich student world, I can't give you that. And Yossir was like, that's my final offer. Like that's what I want.

God, just give it to him guys. Just give him the membership and we can get back to golf life at nor as, as usual. What, what do you think the odds are that there's like a significant announcement during that press conference? Or do you think it is just like, deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect? I think they would have, if it was like an agreement with PIF, they would have, the PIF side would have leaked it to their

friendly media people to sort of get out ahead of the narrative of like, we're the winners, you know, at this point. So, yeah. I don't even think on that side of it, I think it like, we're the winners, you know, at this point. So, yeah. I don't even think on that side of it, I think it like, they're so obsessed with the players and the players standing and focusing on the players that like that would take it away from the event. Totally. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not expecting a lot to come. I'll try to get it again. To come from this other than like it just to be awkward and some probably pretty aggressive questions, I think. I do have a question, Deej. You can answer this or you can plead the fifth, but I've always thought that from my experience being at two of the players press conferences and then watching quite a few of them the last whatever 10, 15 years, that all the questions are very staged. Now, is there, are there, they're seeded questions or are they actually no, I don't think they're seeded questions.

I think they're, no, I think, I think they're all above board. Seems like there's quite a few like little layups. There's a lot of local media there that are just, yeah, but there's hard questions. I mean, there's people who care, I think deeply. I mean, a Doug is always Doug Ferguson, the AP is covers and asked pointed questions, Bob Herragas pointed questions. Like I think I tried to, I asked two questions last year and I think, you know, both of them sort of made him a little bit uncomfortable or at least like felt

like he had to come up with some better answer than deflection. And I think there, it's funny. Like I think that the Tiger Woods press conferences are much more like at the Genesis. It's very much like, tiger, you, you've been here for 25 years. Like how much do you love coming to LA? And like those are very much like staged bullshit questions. Uh, but I think at the players, like, you know, there's not a lot of like super friendly. It's not like there's a lot of

journalists, newspapers who are covering the golf beat anymore. So who's going to like the logo guys going to throw a little softball question out there. And yeah, I don't think there's that many. I don't know, it doesn't seem like that many media have like a great relationship with Jay either. I mean, maybe like, I mean, like very cordial relationship, but I don't think there's ever like a, Hey man, like let's go out for some beers and I'll tell you what's really going on You know, he just doesn't want to do that I mean, I actually saw him at the Genesis this year and he we shook hands and talked and I kind of was like gonna say like You know, hey, would you like to just sit and chat for a minute?

And he was like, oh, I gotta go like great. Thanks so much Kevin for covering the cover in the game like really appreciate it I was like, oh, okay. Well, yeah, And I mean, I think a lot of it is like, there's no surprises. Like it's going to be all PIF stuff. It's going to be all guys are mad. It's going to be all money. It's going to be all designated events. Like it's pretty easy to prep for you know, like quote unquote media prep. I don't think there's going to be any curve, but like, Oh shit. I didn't think you were going to ask me about if like, uh, let'd come up with something like, I think he's going to be polished and ready to go. Certainly different narrative though. Felt last year at this time, like they had sort of quelled the thing.

We had, you know, all these rumors that Piff was kind of losing interest a little bit. Wasn't paying all their bills. Guys were interested in maybe coming back. So they're having lawyers look over their contracts, seeing if that was a possibility. And then I think Yosser just kind of was like, you know what, I'm gonna get some more, I'm gonna open up the faucet a little bit more. And we're gonna really,

whether it was something pissed him off or, MBS basically was like, do whatever you want, I don't care, some monies are relevant at this point to us. So, because it definitely felt like they had figured out a way to survive. And now it feels like they are on the operating table and the doctor's like, I don't know. Like we might need to call this guys.

Like it's not looking great. You know what? This is, I see a great question in the comments from Phil Landis that I would actually like to second. Should we, should we get to hear from Ed Hurley and Jimmy Donner, those guys still saving pro golf. I will say that those guys tend to have taken quite a backseat after the barn storming tour of, uh, of the framework deal. And Ed Hurley, I don't, I don't even know that I've ever like seen his face. So I don't know what he even looks like. So just another kind of weird,

you know, shields for, for Jay that don't seem to really be there anymore. Maybe Jimmy's out trying to find the hijackers. He said he'd kill him himself I was I was on the hunt Jimmy did also go to Senate and answer their questions when When Jay couldn't go so I at least give I'll go at least put that one to Jimmy's You know, at least they were out. Yeah, at least they were like answering questions. I guess. Yeah, I don't know I don't seem weird that Jim that Jimmy was not involved in the most recent announcement, but they were like, Oh, the policy board is being remade and Joe Ogilvy is a part of it and Tiger's got the, he's the vice president now. And Jimmy was not involved in that. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of player involvement in all that now, a lot more player stuff that

doesn't necessarily make me feel rosy, rosier about the whole thing. But I don't know, that's for another day. full swing came out this week. We had a podcast. If you missed it, uh, go back and check that out. Our most recent episode prior to this one recapping, uh, at all KV. You're not on that one. Just want to see if you had any, any overarching thoughts on, uh, on, on full swing. I haven't got a chance to watch it yet.

So I'm kind of going to withhold a little bit other than to say I was right about Keegan and all of you were wrong. I think we gave you some flowers on the, uh, on the. So I'm kind of gonna withhold a little bit other than to say I was right about Keegan and all of you were wrong. I Think we gave you some flowers on the Full swing recap, you know, I didn't know that Keegan was Hope you feel better about yourself though No Keegan Keegan rocking it up my of my rankings. He was quite low before but now he is you know He's on maybe knocking on the

door of some signature event. I get a lot of comments. Why don't the boys like Keegan? I don't know. I never have a great explanation for it. I feel like maybe we need a reset between relations between AdLU and Keegan. I was just offering them to come on the pod, talk about the Patriots, tell us about grinding with Tom Brady, the things of that nature. Well, I'll lead the way. This is always the hard part is like, oh, the stories we've heard, but you can't tell that nobody wants to hear that line.

But it's like, dude, yeah, you've talked to enough people, you hear enough stuff, you're just kind of like, okay, yeah, I'm kind of good on this one. But you know what, I will say people sometimes act immature when they're younger and then they grow up a little bit, right? Like to be accurate. That was my takeaway from full swing. Yeah, that was my take away from full swing was like the very minimal,

minuscule small dealings that I've had with him, which are like borderline insignificant, you know, when he was much, much, much younger and now like watching him on camera. I'm like, God, that's like a different dude. Like, I think he has, he seems like he's really matured and, uh, you know, I, I would love to hear a podcast with him. So I'm, I'm totally open minded. Let me put it this way. Anytime it all ever came up on the pod and it was like, yeah, I don't really like he can, there'd be like two DMs the next morning, like,

I'll wait to hear this one. Oh, fuck. There's, there's more, there's more there. There's more there. And that's, that has cooled down over the, over the years, I think, but, uh, there, there's something to that. And I would also say I would also caution anyone just taking, you know, from a lot of conversations we've had with people in the last week, just since Full Swing came out is like, you are watching a reality television show, edit wise, like it is a narrative that they are trying to tell you and it is cut for this specific purpose to deliver this message. The whole thing the whole thing in the show is JT versus Keegan. When in reality JT was almost certainly going to be on the team and Sam Burns

got the last spot over Keegan, but that's not what it's presented, uh, in the, in the, in the series, but that's, that's how drama works on television. So I would also just enter into the evidence again, not that I like would know Keegan at all, or he would know me. And a lot of it kind of stems from like, just don't like his golf swing. Don't like all the pre-shot shit. I don't like, you know, sometimes you just don't like guys.

That's kind of all it is. He's spitting all over the place. Yeah, you know, there's probably quarterbacks that you've never met that you just like, fuck that guy. You know, he's, it's a pro sports TV show. That's kind of how I feel. Yeah, you know, I just don't like that team. I don't know how to tell, I don't know what to tell you. Okay. Well, I'm gonna remain on the pro keegan block over here

We shouldn't we shouldn't be a monolith. We shouldn't have to have the same thoughts, of course Anything else before we wrap as we head into a week again, like we said, we're gonna have a lot of shows this coming week Be a lot of I'm gonna spend a lot of time out there TPCPC. So I'm really looking forward to it. I hope you get, looks like we have good weather. It looks like maybe some rain potentially on the weekend, unfortunately, but I'm going to be hot out there a little bit and good. We need it. We get needs to dry out a little bit cause we've got a lot of rain, unfortunately. So I'm going to, uh,

I only have round one numbers here, but, uh, live golf Hong Kong round one on caffeine TV up to 2 million views. So congrats to them. Just unbelievable, unbelievable metrics. It's like when I report back to our partners and I'm like, yo, we got real numbers and then you, you see other people in the podcast space that are just inflating the shit out of everything. I'm like, these guys, man, come on.

Everywhere I go, people are talking about caffeine TV, which I definitely knew existed before two weeks ago. I was always tuning in to caffeine TV to get the latest caffeine fix. Oscar joined caffeine TV tonight, I think. Just to give people just a semblance of how hard this is overblown is like there's like maybe Like the daily active users on the actual caffeine TV app is I don't even know if it's 10,000 people like it's

Miniscule like it is such a Wildly fake effort even like the bots aren't even pumping these numbers because they don't they nobody because they know how ridiculous It sounds like come on guys, get it together. Um, I don't, that's the thing that's hard. It is just willing to lie so hard. Like I just live, could have been gone a different direction and been a disruptor without just basically adopting all these tactics of just like being full of shit about so much stuff.

Like in their defense, it might be caffeine TV lying really hard, really, really hard. Or it also could be a bot farm that's kind of given all these these cheap viewers or what not. But repeating the lie is all knowing it's a lie is also, you know, a sin, if you will. This reminds me too much of corn cob TV for a second, I heard that a lot this week. I have not about a second. I heard that a lot this week. I have not seen that, but I heard that a lot this week. It's time to tell the spectrum, no.

We're not doing this with a live. Oh, that's not who we are. Sorry, we got a busy week. Very busy week. I'm trying to get out of here, and these guys won't let me leave. It's like TC at the very end here. So this is it. Thank you, everyone everyone for tuning in.

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So see you back here next week. Cheers. Cheers. Scotty's gonna win by five this week. Again, probably.