No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 807: Sunday Players Recap

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

Scottie Scheffler's final round 64 has us creeping into uncomfortable territory with some of the comparisons that we make. Plus, we discuss how Wyndham's putt stayed out, his last 12 months, who the top 5 players are in the world right now, what makes the Players special, and a ton more. Thanks to everyone that tuned in live all week, these are always a blast to do. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up live show presented by High Noon Players Championship Sunday Recap, hopefully you are watching this live on YouTube or on Twitter And if you're listening in your car tomorrow morning, that's fine as well. Solly here, the Pie Man is here. Hello, Mr. DJ Pie. Guys, that's about as good as it gets. It is. I am ready to roll, ready to roll.

Thanks for having me on your program. TC is here, two chains. TC trying to get rid of the nickname, Two Shot Tron, for the penalty he got our friend Zach Blair several years ago in a tournament. He's double chaining tonight. Hello, TC. If you got two gold boys, do you have one? TC's all chained. He's gonna chaining tonight. Hello TC. If you had two two gold boys, do you have one?

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talking about a lot of things that was fantastic. And it was good to see him have a really solid week. So he- I would like to think how Sahith could have got out of that shot on number 90. He promised me- Words right out of my mouth. I was gonna say the exact same thing.

He promised me he couldn't hit it left anymore. We learned he lost the ball left on nine today, which we did not know was possible. But that's tough. You guys ready to get hyperbolic about Scott Scheffler? You know what, man? I had a lot of thoughts going through my head today that I was trying to really govern. I was trying to rein them back in

and TC even poured gas on the fire. He's like, no, baby, that's what we're all feeling. That looked like a guy out there today, guys. That looked like a guy that we haven't seen in a long time. It did not look like Jon Rahm, did not look like Kalamora Kawa, did not look like Rory McElroy, did not look like Jordan Spieth.

It looked like another guy. And that's what it used to feel like. Do it, you don't wanna get clipped. That's what it used to feel like watching the cat. It really did, man. It is just ball striking, just shot after shot after shot. TC, I thought you put it expertly in our Slack. I even copy and pasted it.

You said, quote, Scotty is rising to the challenge on a shot basis. It's a whole shot every single time. Would you like to expound on that? Is the cat is the cat is the cat jamming up DJ's Wi-Fi right now because I Okay, I guess that's a pie man thing. He's getting absolutely That's tough I was really cooking there for a second, okay, do you want to try that again? Did you get you that again? Did you get you guys take it?

Absolutely. A total breakdown. I I'm I'm afraid to do it. I am I'm a little afraid to do it. And I want to put the huge qualifier on this. Like, of course, of course, of course. Tiger Woods was a fantastic putter, like a way above average putter. It is not the reason he was great. That's something people fall back on to say the reason why Tiger was the best was because he was a great putter. No, he's the best ball struck in the world by far. But reason he was great. That's something people fall back on to say the reason why Tiger was the best was because He was a great putter. No, he's the best ball striking the world by far, but also he was a crazy good putter So we're gonna eliminate putting from this Scottie's back to around Around around even with putting but the ball striking is as good. He's he's that good as an approach player he's

He doesn't gain the same amount in distance on the field because everyone else is so long now. He's longer than Tiger was though in like the 2006 peak ShotLink era that we have for Tiger. And he's more accurate than him. So again, if you like subbed in Tiger's putting for what this current version of Scottie, it would be the best player of all time.

Like that's literally what we're talking about from what he's producing. Maybe we should probably mention he was hurt this week too. I mean, he's battling a neck injury like in a pretty darn serious way. As someone who's battled plenty of these kinds of injuries, it's very painful and hard to play high level golf. Final round 64 without even putting outrageously today

to go to win his second players. It's, I'm kind of out of words. It's just outrageous. Yeah, here's the context of our slack convo. First of all, DJ led into it saying, I know that the OWGR is crooked. It still doesn't feel like it can be said enough times that the number 10 player in the world hasn't even played in a major yet, which that's outrageous. We'll get to that. And then he said, and then I said, man, I know everyone's joking about it,

but if I were a player, I'd be legitimately pissed at Rory for the mallet comment with Scotty. And I said, Jesus, Scotty. And then TJ said, Jesus. And he said, okay, someone check me here. This feels more Tiger-esque than any player has felt, right? And I said, DJ, no need to check you. We've all said it several

times last couple of months. This is the closest dominance to Tiger we've seen in the last two decades. Scotty is rising to the challenge on a shot by shot basis. It's wild. Seems like he, he always pulls off the best case scenario shot. And I think that's where like in that stretch today from 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, he's just hitting like he's hitting the shot and it's the distance control, the shape, the contact, all of it. And even if half the putts go in, he's given himself more looks than the rest of the guys combined. It's crazy. Yeah, sorry, I was breaking up earlier, but TC, that's exactly the quote I was trying

to set you up for. And it just feels like he, I was texting a friend, like it feels like he just has one, like 200 dice rolls in a row, right? Like he steps up to these shots and it's like, okay, here's the good option, here's like the good outcome and here's the bad outcome. And he just has the good outcome every time, every time the dice rolls in his favor and he just does it every single freaking

time. And it's even when he misses, it's like, Oh, it's impossible to make bogey from there. Like you just, you literally can't. And I don't know that that round today was like, I, I'm sure I was breaking up earlier, but like Rom didn't feel like that during his run. JT didn't feel like that. Rory didn't feel like that. Rory felt like that for a little whiffs and then would like blow up leaving the atmosphere pretty much every time. Spieth obviously never felt like that. That's what Tiger felt like, man. Straight up is just like, no, this car is going 170 miles an hour

on the Autobahn and just like, no one's gonna catch up and nothing can really go wrong is what and that's not gonna last forever. I'm not like saying he's gonna go win 15 majors. But like it is right now in the moment. Like that's that's what we're seeing. At least it feels possible for somebody else to do it. Right? Like this is the first time we've even felt that with with anybody else. And I think with Scotty, that's I guess

that's the thing is, is it's just all right, this is even a possibility. We'll see how long it lasts. Or we'll see, you know, I mean, he's in his mid 40s. Now he could be ageing, you know, ageing injuries and wear and tear could be catching up with him. It's lasting a really long time. It really is. This is a extreme. I'm struggling to make this point, though, because we're never going to see another 15, somebody win 15 majors. I don't think we're

unless there's serious effects done to equipment on both on the driver, head size ball and all that people are just too close together these days. So when I say that, like he is doing Tiger ish things, he's not going to 82 times, he's not going to win 82 times, he's not going to win 15 majors. I want to make that very clear. He's not going to be the greatest player of all time. Can he be the best since Tiger? Can he be like, can he be Phil?

And I don't know what the equivalent is of Phil in this generation. I don't think he's going to win 45 times like Phil did. Like that's a ton. I don't think anyone's going to in this generation, but you can be as good as Phil or better than Phil and not win that many times. And six majors seems quite possible if you're going to play golf like this and give yourself this many chances. And he's only won one, but he's had a second place runner up by a shot. He's had many other opportunities

being involved in majors. And I mean, we're actually in real time witnessing greatness. Like I've always kind of wonder what it'd be like to have done this podcast when Tiger Woods was was doing stuff and Look again, it's never gonna be the same. It's never gonna be tiger I just want to make that clear, but we're in the middle of greatness right now last 26 starts four wins 17 top fives and 21 top tens while putting bad like it's and 21 top 10s while putting bad. Like it's outrageous, man. And I just, I'm very thrilled that we get to get to cover golf in this time period. That said, I'm just, I'm hoping that he

does it. How many majors has Scotty won? One. And that's the thing. It's like, all right, you're hinting at what's possible here. It kind of, I go back to that Gary Koch, you're hinting at what's possible here. It kind of I go I go back to that Gary Coke. You know, as a massive Coke head, I go back to that Gary Coke comment of expect anything different. And, like at this point with Scotty down the stretch today, it kind of flipped and I'm like, man, like I you know what, that that's what I'm expecting from Scotty. I didn't expect anything different. I expected him to rise to the challenge and do that stuff. And the other guys wilted like like small children, like little boys.

I do think Dan Hicks would like credit for his expect anything different quote. I'm gonna throw a flag at that. But I was thinking let's just let the boys cook. The spirit of the spirit of it still holds up. I'm a cokehead. Okay. But I think that's what like that's where the tiger comps came from for me is like, I'm

trying to think maybe Rom, you know, last, like winter, spring, like getting into RIV and, and even into Augusta and some of that stuff. It was like, you know, you could feel some of that, like the leaderboard gravity, right? Where it's like, okay, the big guy is like on the leaderboard now, and he's gonna run down and take this thing. But it's like, okay, the big guy is like on the leaderboard now and he's going to run down and take this thing. But it's been so long since I was thinking about it today, like, Tyra used to do that all the freaking time. And

it's been it's just so rare that that actually happens that the guy who is circled in big, bold red letters as like, this is the guy, he's the best player in the world. He's the best. He's the guy to beat. Like how often that guy actually goes out and just strangles a golf tournament like Scotty did today. Like that doesn't really happen ever, man. It's maybe Brooks at some of the majors.

You can convince me he's, you know, he's the dude at some of those. But even those is like, you know, he was battling so many injuries and wasn't playing well during like the PGA tour season that he never, I mean, how many times we do major preview pods where we just like forgot to mention him until, you know, an hour and a half in. And so it's like Scottie's both doing both things. He is coming in as like the clear cut number one and then now he's starting to go out and like strangle these things too, which is the

most fun combo. I was, there was a few weeks ago when we were talking about Scotty and it was like, man, like TC, what's going to make you get interested in Scotty again? And I said, like, when it starts feeling historic, when it starts feeling like there's, there's something tethered to something larger than the current PGA tour season, or when it starts to feel like, all right, like this guy's going to start stacking up majors and listen, we've got what? Three weeks, four weeks till the Masters. And like, this is, this is what the players should feel like in March, right? It should feel like, hey, here's, here's a preview of what's to come for the golf season.

We've tied a bow on the West Coast swing and we are headed to Augusta in three or four short weeks. And here's what you can expect. And now we have the added benefit of, you know, I would say detriment to this point, but benefit now with Rom and some of the other guys that we don't hear from on PGA Tours side. And cool, like those guys are going to show up and Scotty gets to basically measure himself against kind of unknown quantities, you know, from the first quarter of the year. I think the other thing that's interesting about Scotty too is, I mean, I think Rory's the most natural comp as again, that guy that like gets circled in big red letters.

And I think we've kind of seen what the master's pressure has done to him. That doesn't seem to be the way Scotty approaches things. And maybe internally he feels totally different. There's a great story about him the morning of the Sunday, of the masters where he's crying, he doesn't think he can do it. But he seems like a different guy even since then. Again, we're warning people that we're going to get a little hyperbolic. Like, is, I'm trying to think back on this compared to like 2011, 2012.

I mean, obviously 2014 is too far out into the future, right? In terms of that's a bigger window for Rory in that time period than what we've seen so far from Scotty. But like, is that like the best comp like you know Rory just has somewhat flamed out in the biggest events since 2014 he had an incredible run in that time period he won Quail Hollow in 2010 US Open 2011 Honda Classic PGA Deutsche Bank BMW championship open championship Bridgestone PGA championship all between 2010 and 2014 right and it didn't feel like that was ever gonna slow down It really didn't so that's the only like brake pumping

I would do here to be like we've seen a long window and run sustained run from somebody in the last 15 years It just it I don't know why this does feel different It always probably does in the moment and I'm really trying to have the perspective on this of like not getting carried away But I mean, you look at like a career evolution chart data golf, of course, has a great tool on this where you can just like, as as they've played a certain number of PGA Tour events, you can chart their progress in wins and top fives and everything up against top names. And it's pretty I mean, wins are kind of can be a little noisy, we can cover that. But in top fives, Scott, he's got 36 top fives in 116 starts. I mean wins are kind of it can be a little noisy We can cover that but in top fives Scott

He's got 36 top fives in a hundred and sixteen starts of me Of course tiger has 56 tiger is his line on these charts looks absolutely silly But it isn't wasn't in the field good was not in the field, but it's higher than Rory's rate. It's higher than speeds, right? It's high way higher than Phil's rate and even on wins now through, you know, 116 total starts, which is what's flashed up on the screen right now. He's closing in on Rory. Rory won more in those first initial starts and he's closing up on Phil. That's where I'm just wondering, like, what is his chart going to look like in all this?

Because we can all probably agree, he's got fewer wins than maybe he probably should to this point for how good he's played over the last several years. And it just seems like now is the time he's gonna start hoovering them up and getting caught up. I think the other thing with Rory too is like the, I think a lot of the reason for Tiger's sustained success is his iron play, right? Where he was just always the best iron player

every year forever. And that's the kind of thing that doesn't, I mean, you can, you know, you can look at like someone like Spieth and yeah, it can come and go in a lot of guys, but for a lot of guys, like that's a pretty consistent stat. I feel like the guys who are ball strikers kind of remain ball strikers for a while. And Rory was like never the best iron player in the world.

He was, you know, had a massive distance advantage in a lot of those years that you're talking and like a lot of guys have kind of caught up to that and he's a tremendous putter in streaks and he's a designer player in streaks too but not knee. We gotta get this guy some fiber, we gotta get this guy some fiber man, we just we can't have it, we just can't have this man. I'm cooking to. DJ I'll pick up from you there. I think the the difference with I guess Rory feels like the floor. Where's the floor? And I feel like Rory could go out and put a stinker up or whatever like even like this wasn't Scottie's a game this week.

I was crazy. That's the crazy part. And the fact that he's he's patching up his putting a little bit is is terrifying. And I guess the, you know, the question is, does this add more pressure in for the rest of the year where hey, you're you're the clear cut number one player in the world now. Like you're, you're the dude. If we get to August or September, and he hasn't won… Let's say we get to July through the British Open and he hasn't won a

major this year, and he goes and wins the FedEx Cup or the BMW Championship, but hasn't won a major with all the live guys in the field and the true historic stuff, then this feels like this year feels like a waste. And that adds more pressure for next year as well. I think that's the real risk, right? And we've seen that snowball with Rory. I mean, as soon as that one year goes by, and then two, now it's three years now, it's almost a decade now, like that can happen really quickly. So you were looking it up, Dej, before we started, he's plus

100 to win a major championship this year. You got, which is hysterical. Like do you, that's such a joke. Do you think he wins a major this year? Yeah. I said, I think he wouldn't. If you'll remember,

I bravely picked the best player in the world to win the players and the masters. I truly thought he was going to win this week. And now I think even more, he's going to win the Masters. Which I think that's the other impressive thing is we haven't even mentioned it yet. It wasn't that impressive. I know it was a bold pick. It was a bold pick, especially on Friday. Well guys, this was the 50th playing this event, what the 43rd or something at Sawgrass. Nobody's ever successfully defended their title here. Nobody's even finished in the top five, defending their title here.

And he just went and did it with like a neck injury and not playing great golf to come out of the gates. And he goes and hunts two guys that were just seemingly playing, thought they were playing match play against one another on the front nine. And he chased those guys down by like the 10th or 11th hole. and then he stomped in their fucking necks. Like it

was truly and he missed a few pots down the like he missed the bottom 13. I mean it's it was clinical. The best stat of the day, Salah you tweeted this, he gained 0.6 shots on the field putting and he shot 64. And for anybody who doesn't like closely follow strokes game like you don't need to, I don't even know how to put that into perspective in another way. I mean, that is like, when you take it crazy, crazy low, it's almost always because you've made a bunch of putts, because you've done something like, you know, you had all these bombs that went in or whatever. He just like, he hit it that fucking good, man.

It's crazy. He gained, what was it, like six some shots, I think on the field. Ball striking. Just for this ball striking? Correct. And that's the thing, he's also like the best chipper. Like that's the outrageous thing.

When he does miss the green, he chips it up to a foot anyways. I mean, he, yeah, he basically, he shot 20 under this week. He gained like a shot putting. So essentially he shot 19 under with his ball striking and one under with his putting. Like if that's a very rudimentary, not mathematical way of looking at it, but it does make sense.

Question, a very important question we got from Free Garrett. Does Tron regret not taking Scotty number one in the draft? We did a draft that projected out the next six years. Does TC officially regret it right now? I do, I officially regret it. Damn it. You gotta hold the line on that. That would have been an epic fit.

Especially because. No, he's not a good locker room guy. I don't want him around the rest of my team. You could have made that into an all-timer. I hate seeing him when I went back. We had a meme ready for you too. I do regret it, but Vic, I think Vic lost six or seven shots to the field on chipping this week. Which, hey, if Vic gets that figured out, we're cooking with gas, right? Like I said, could have some back problems with Scotty, could have some soft tissue stuff as he gets older here.

You know, I hope Dr. James Andrews or one of those characters is on the payroll. No, that's yeah, I don't know. I do feel like I augmented it though with with some guys like I had I had this meme ready teasing because I thought you were going to double down. I really thought you were going to double down. Yeah. No, it's just like, I know we sound hyperbolic and all that. All we can go off of is like what we've seen. And listen, I know this was the weakest players field in recent memory. I know the live guys aren't there. I thought the setup kind of sucked this week for the most part. I thought the setup kind of sucked this week for the most part. But here we are and the guy that won last year also won this year and he seemingly fixed his Achilles heel with the mallet putter is, man, the Masters is going to feel like I'm ... I guess the first time this year that I felt like I'm excited to watch golf, I'm it's I guess the first time this year that I felt like

I'm excited to watch golf. I'm I'm fucking ready to just run through a brick wall right now. And I haven't felt like that at any point this year. And I'm I'm feeling it now. Well, and there's totally there's gravity around Scotty now. Now, whatever happens is interesting, right? He's just a month ago. We're saying this isn't really interesting maybe,

but like one, two wins back to back is gonna do something. And also I said this earlier this week, whatever he said in his press conference this week, like fired me up of just like, it snapped me out of like whining as much as I have been about the tour and what's left. He's like, yeah, don't blame us, like blame people that left,

like we're all doing the best we can. And like he was as direct as possible. And I was like, fuck yeah, Scotty, let's go. Like start being a leader amongst these guys, both doing the best we can. He was as direct as possible and I was like, fuck yeah Scotty, let's go. Start being a leader amongst these guys both on the course and off. I don't know. He just is a model for how to handle the most challenging game I've ever encountered. I'm really excited to see what happens next. We need to tap Randy in here because I'm not a big enough tennis guy. I was reading Porter's newsletter. Porter's newsletter. Porter's newsletter has been great, by the way.

I would encourage everybody to sign up for that. But he made the comp of, like, not, you know, we're not there yet, but he saw a lot of parallels between Scotty and Federer, which I thought was like a kind of a fun one to think about, of a guy that like on the surface probably seems unbelievably boring. But the more you watch him win, the more you're just like, okay, no, that's the dude. Like,

I think I kind of want to be that guy. He's drawn in by greatness. Yeah. And I thought that was a fun comp to think about throughout the week. But all right. So like to play the devil's advocate here, I guess before I do that, like it's that, it was a great final leaderboard too. You got Harmon, Sander, Wyndham, Fitzpatrick, Siwoo Kim, Hideki, Ludwig, Sahith, Mav. We'll round out the top 10 here. That was the top 10 right there. It's a pretty wide cast of characters as far as different skill sets, different personalities, just stuff that makes guys tick. I think the criticism is probably, hey, there was no wind, relatively, you're very soft greens, relatively benign setup.

But again, a course that doesn't necessarily favor any particular style of player as shown by that leaderboard. And he did it two years in a row and beat, you know, the best among who he could have beaten. Now let's see him go do it at Augusta, Pinehurst, Troon, and Valhalla will feel like the players a little bit. He doesn't have Valhalla. 25 minutes in, I feel like we should probably mention a putt on the 72nd green that went 98% of the way into the hole before horseshoeing out for Wyndham Clark who birdied 16, birdied 17. Had a 17 footer to get into a playoff. So I'm always on like a little delay

with my YouTube TV for whatever reason. And like, I have to like go like blinders so I don't see my slack because you guys are always reacting before it comes in. And my phone starts going absolutely ape shit while the ball's rolling towards the hole, which like, I was like, oh my God, he left it short. That must be the reason why everyone's screaming.

Also on YouTube TV, I had the opposite reaction. I was like, oh God, he made it. We're going to a playoff. Everybody's fired up about it. So I already mentally was like, cool. Well, obviously it goes, oh, my God. Oh, my God, it didn't go in. It was a really jarring experience.

My daughter's literally sitting on my lap. And I jolted so hard that it scared her. That's how much it shook me that that putt did not go in I I mean honestly at the end it wasn't even about the fact that I had bet on Wyndham It was just like I do not want this tournament to end. I do not want it to end. This has been One of my I'm again caught up in the recency of it Like I'm struggling to off the top my head to think of a better non major tournament I've watched on a Sunday in the you know, I'm sure I could think of one

But like it's it's really fresh right now that that was one of the best Sundays I can remember watching. Yeah, I think the blow pig, I think that was Karma, that putt not dropping was Karma for him. The pimp step twirl combo on the iron shot into the green was,

it's like 18 feet. It's like, man, and then you know, what are we what are we doing here? What are we doing with with four iron? Pitching wedge into our beloved 18th hole. What are we doing? This is disgusting that almost ruined a great week for me you know, which listen we've got the combo between the you know March Which, listen, we've got the combo between the March agronomy and seemingly May conditions this week of high 70s, low 80s, a little bit benign just with everything. Then, listen, I want to see Wyndham have to step up on 18 and hit at least a wood. The fact that he has three or four iron off the tee there.

Do you see you know where you'd have to hit a wood from right. That new tee that up up in the top. That's what we got. That's what we got to put in here. Years. This is up there. This is point B on our proposal. Well, alongside with the notching and 17. I don't know. And the and the intercoastal. But that's how been? Yeah, we're applying for separate grants on that one. So there are two different proposals. It's a different zone. Well, in their defense, this kind of whole thing kind of snuck up on them a little bit. It's just kind of really come out of nowhere in a really short period of time that the golf ball goes really far, and there's just no way this possibly could have been planned for and prevented at any point. But maybe we'll save that for a different discussion. But guys, honestly, like if you're looking for

an endorsement of Titleist golf balls, like Wyndham, Wyndham Clark. Like, golf should be going off the fucking planet. Do you want to do your, state your case on Wyndham here? Like do as, as, as best as you can. Just in case people are having't listened to the other shows, going forward, Wyndham is the blow pig. The blow pig is Wyndham.

You know, it's like you take the emojis wind and ham, like the pig, blow pig. That's where it comes from. This is all credit to KBV's buddies. Exactly. This one. Xander is a Xanax pill. Dear put together Xander pill deer. We might have to do a whole a whole you know, top 100. You

know, in the SI golf rankings is low. Big the pill deer. I just want to see I want to see you you state your case as clear as you can on Wyndham, your beef with him. I got people texting me like, what is TC's deal with Wyndham Clark? I don't get it. Like just, just-

If anything, yeah, he seems like a really thoughtful guy. I saw him at Bull Bean on Monday or Tuesday. He was reading. It's a good sign. I still want to know what he was reading. I had a light blue cover on it, but I don't know. I just, he's not passing the eye test for me. He's a nasty wedge player. I hate, hate, hate all caps,

all sorts of exclamation points. I hate his putting routine with the caddy. I'll join you there. Caddy should have to hit the putt if he's gonna step up there and do that and then line them up and all of that. I think that's unbecoming. But no, I just think the 13 was a perfect example or the drive on 14. That's one of the worst places on that whole golf course over there on 14. He should have been up in the trees after that second shot. But I don't know, I just I don't trust like, he's a really

good player. But for me, I don't trust that swing, seemingly under pressure where it seems like he kind of comes out of it a little bit. And then the ball like that, that big ripper cut, that goes 340, and doesn't spin a whole lot. It seems like under pressure, it starts spinning more and like the cut turns into a slice. And that slice at 185 miles an hour ball speed should turn into a like off the planet, big right miss in my opinion, but it doesn't somehow.

Are you more mad at the technology or are you more mad at Wyndham? Like what do you- I'm more mad at the technology and I'm more mad at like, I don't know. I just like that, that swing. It's just the way that that ball looks on shot tracer and all that. It just doesn't, it doesn't agree with me, man. And I don't think that, you know, like, listen, he's super strong.

He's got a great swing. He, he, he hits the shit out of the rough and gets down on it. Like he, he, he does impressive stuff. It's not to take anything away from who he is as a golfer. I respect his career. It's very much like LeBron when they changed the rules in the NBA. It's like, all right, cool. This guy is clearly doing something different and the rules account for that now too. So I don't know. I was just just gonna say as someone that watched him play a lot of golf this week I can't I can't get behind whatever this driver take is that you're having I

hits it It is it fits the modern game really really well a high cut at 189 balls Maybe I just don't like the modern game and that could be very that could be fine It but it's almost kind of like I mean Yeah If you know if the football wasn't this shape then you know Tom Brady that could be fine. But it's almost kind of like, I mean, yeah, if the football wasn't this shape, then Tom Brady wouldn't be able to throw it as far. I'm not really understanding what the beef is.

Well, we got into that with the deflate cape for a little bit. Exactly. But he's doing it way, way better than so many guys right now. He's so high up on the list for me because he's doing it. But in the day, I just don't like Who do you trust? I want to know who you trust. It really pissed me off this week when everybody started calling

him a killer. That pissed me off, like straight up. And it because he's not he had like, he's he he abdicated that at the at the Ryder Cup. Involuntary manslaughter at Pebble. Again, but I just want to state this. Final round got wiped out. I want to state this final. I'm still out there with OJ looking for the real killer.

I want to state this last 12 months for the record. He won a signature event at Wells Fargo. He won the US Open, a major. He won another signature event at Pebble Beach. And he's lost back to back signature events to the number one player in the world that we were just comparing to Tiger a bit ago. That's almost four signature events and a major.

Really benign setups too, in my opinion. We can't downplay that his performance this week and be lauding all this praise on Scotty. It wasn't a benign setup last week. It wasn't a benign setup last week at Bay Hill. And also Scotty's won on a lot of non benign setups too. I don't know. I think I'm going to be boring,

boring guy that's meeting in the middle here, but TC, there's a couple shots where I am with you where I'm like, that doesn't look right. I don't love how that looks. You know, that's not the type of golf that I like to watch. And then I think there's a lot on the other side where I'm like, fuck man, that is, the comp I made on Twitter, and I was saying to you guys was like, man, who does this guy remind me of and it's 2015 Jason Day, where it's just like, man, I'm gonna improve my irons, I'm going to hit farther than everybody else. And I'm going to like low key be one of the best putters in the world. And that's a great way to just make a bunch of dough. Cody's got it up on the screen. Here's Wyndham's profile. The orange box is going to be Jason

Day's 2015 profile. It's kind of the same game. And I didn't like watching that either. Jason Day is an unbelievably talented player who is like drastically underrated in how good his peak was. And it just kind of is it's not totally for me. I don't know. It does inspire me in the same way that watching Scottie or obviously watching Jordan or you know some of the more chaotic players feel. So I think what is kind of cool is like there's enough of those question marks and enough of those like that one was kind of yucky that you can almost like see Wyndham kind of feels like take like deciding whether or not he's going to like truly take the next

step is really captivating to watch. So I enjoyed that a lot this week where it's like, man, it's in there. This is all this. It's all his point. Like he's playing freaking good golf when it matters on all different types of venues. He's not, you know, 1000 out of 1000 yet. But like like there's flashes that like he could get there, which is, which is fun to watch. It's somebody's in the comments saying Wyndham is, is Wyndham for TC is Jalen hurts for me. It sure feels a little bit like it where it's just, Hey, the tush push, not my deal, man. Not my deal. I also fully support like an irrational hatred of players, too. Like if he's just not, but you know what I mean?

Like, you know, you might hate the Buffalo Bills too. You don't have to provide some like, you know, calculated like algorithmic reason for each big guy. I fucking hate the Bills. I don't know. If you don't have those players, it makes watching sports pretty boring. Well, and all right, guys,

did you see the the the video of him mashing down the rough? Not only last week behind his ball, but this week today? Like, you know, going all all through the he's stepping back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and then dropping the ball right where he's stepping. It looks like it's already been trampled down. This is one of those like you snip this and put on social media and it can look like whatever you want it to look like. Exactly. There are

plenty not to like. The putting routine is really bad. He's a slow player. The, you know, sit, sit is really like it's annoying to watch. He doesn't like- Even just walking up 17, it just feels like a little bit turned up for the cameras of like him smiling into the camera and be like, I'm just like, I'm good, man. But that's fine. But I'm not down with downplaying what he's done over the last year in any way.

Like he is a fucking phenomenal player. Last night I said on the show or two nights ago, I said, he's the second best player in the world right now. Like, do I maybe want it back? I reached back for the Henry Rowan Gardner fastball and didn't know what was back there. Maybe, but like he's not outside the top four for me. I know that and I'd have to, I don't see him play up against Ram enough to be able to make that call right now. But man, it's like he is consistently performing great in the best of biggest events. If we're

worried, if you know we don't feel good or don't trust his ball flight, whatever, we got a long list of guys we gotta go through that we also can't trust because he's beating them. He's beating the pants off guys like Rory and Spieth and JT on a very, very, very consistent basis. And that just needs to be said. It's fair.

I just, I don't know. I felt like the swing got squirrely there today and on the weekend at large, he got beat by seven shots this weekend by Scottie and Harmon. I think what's also tough though about the, again, going back to some of my middling stuff, there's shots like 13 where I'm like,

dog, you gotta go at the pin there, man. We gotta make a birdie, we gotta force the issue, we gotta hit that one close. And you can almost make up your mind on a take like that and then ignore the shot he hit into 16 fairway and the shot he hit into 16 green and the shot he hit into 17 green and the shot he hit into 18 fairway and then 18 green.

Shot he hit into four today. It's the first two days. Did not miss a shot coming in, man. Yeah, and it's fun. It's fun to see both in the same guy and see which which side's gonna win out. I am ecstatic that he's like backing up you know when this major win happened last year it was very random it was very much like oh what the hell are we gonna look back at this like we do the Gary Woodland one I mean no disrespect to Gary

Woodland but like it just hasn't nothing nothing really played out after that one and um you know it just it was an early early development for him, and I think he is a big I don't want to call him a killer yet He's a big game hunter, and he's got a hell of a track record going and I don't see him slowing down it was very fun rooting for him this week as somebody that had bet on him because He was pretty damn reliable the putter was a little wonky Definitely wonky today and a little wonky this weekend. But I mean, that stuff is this kind of stuff that levels out over 72 holes. Eighth in strokes game, T to green and fourth in putting this week.

Like he's just, it's a very good play. I think on a course that shouldn't be great for him if we're being honest. So. And that's what I was gonna say is like, I also think that he, if you want to be the biggest pessimist ever, like watching his game versus Scottie's game is like, it's pretty clear to see why those types of streaks, like why one of those streaks is much more sustainable than the other.

Because if Wyndham does stop making putts, it's a pretty average week. Like he made fucking everything, man. Especially those first couple days was just like, I mean, it was, what was he, like third in the field on Thursday and first in the field on Friday or something? He's had 65, 65 on the back of his putter And so that's where it's like yeah this this

you know it is kind of the illustration of the the modern game and a lot of the commentators were kind of all over this too where It's like he bombs a shit out of it His irons are now like pretty significantly like above average not like anywhere close to like a Scotty level But they're really really good and then he kind of makes everything. But it's like, God, if you take one of those variables away, it gets, it gets pretty bleak. Whereas like for Scotty, it's like, no, I think he's going to kind of keep it in the middle of his clubface for a while. I don't think that really goes away.

And I'm looking, I don't know how long this is going to last for Wyndham. I'm not looking at this with the same kind of longevity, obviously that I am for Scotty and projecting that out just to say like, dude, that is again, that is a lot of big time golf over the course of the last year. So I'm not even disputing that. Like I don't think we're on that different side of this. No, he's playing great golf and he's done it at a high level for the last year plus. But it's just, I think for me, it's just a matter of eye tests and how he's doing it. I think that aim 40 yards left and just hit the big cut. To me, that's not what floats my boat.

That's not what gets me excited about watching pro golfers. It's not what we're about. You just don't do that. It's not what we're about. That's not who we are. I will say, though, just- I just don't trust him. I'll close it with this, TC.

If he can do that at this place and still contend and almost win by one, I'm like, dude, I don't know where you can't do that, right? I mean, people might say that Fade's not gonna work at Augusta, I would disagree with that. He was 40 to one, I don't know what he is now. He was 40 to one at the start of this week for the Masters. That has to come down based on what he's done.

So I know it's his first Masters, it's unlikely to win. All that. I think the guy that got crowned the most by the setup this week was Xander. Just with how easy it was to get up and down from certain spots and to get, you know, like to short side yourself

and be able to get out of jail free. Like that's where, that's the one I think we should really be talking about here with, with, you know, just, all right, man, like you like see yourself out, you know, have some pride. I kind of feel like for so long this week. I don't even know if he did like he didn't like he didn't hit it well all weekend.

He did not. He did not have his best stuff. I do totally agree. I think he was getting away with like, being able to scramble around that course on benign greens was just seemed like it eventually had to run out. He at one point was like 15 for his last 16 getting up and down and that just does not last forever. Didn't have his stuff. Still that pot on 17. Apparently a lot of people were apparently I said this last night that he was going

to have a make or break eight footer and he was going to miss it and lose by one. I apparently that happened. I don't even remember saying that last night but it never felt like he was gonna make that putt on 17 and I I don't think he's a choker I don't think he's he's not blowing Sundays I just really struggled like to to play Xander I don't really have the words for it it doesn't fit into a nice boxy narrative I can feel, I think that's fair. I feel like the putt, the eagle putt on 16 summed up Xander for me. I feel like that's, that's Dack in like the NFC championship.

Like, cool, like we're good, man. We don't need to see anymore. Like we, we've seen a window into your soul. That's who you are. I have no data on this, but please start looking at it going forward. He loves leaving putts short, like must make putts. It just seems like there's no player that I'm like,

dog, you're not getting that to the hole? More than Xander. And there were like two or three of them today that were shocking. And it's like an imitation of a Xander. Good note from Kiz too, just I don't know where else it slots in, but that the whole location on 17 was like one pace.

That was crazy. Shorter than it normally is, which I think he was saying adds more break, which was just kind of a fun, fun note. It's kind of an interesting, like you guys have been to enough tournaments and seen like when guys go out and they practice putting like, you know, to certain whole locations, especially if you have one that you know where it's going to be every time, like caddies are good enough that they can get really, really close to where the Sunday hole location is gonna be and even moving it by, you know, three, four feet is probably a different breaking putt.

So just very additive note there. Also, I'll say too, like, I, some, some respect for Xander. I really respect Xander for moving on from his dad, working with Chris Como, talking extensively about it in the pressers and on Wednesday during his presser, all that, and basically saying, hey, my dad told me at some point you're gonna need to be your own person and move on from me.

And I think personally, it feels like JT could learn a lot from that. Hey man, like, like leave the nest a little bit. Go dip your toe in some other waters and see what else is out there. Doug Ferguson tweeted a quote from Xander after he said, "'My dad told me a long time ago to commit,

"'execute and accept. "'I'm swallowing a heavy dose of acceptance right now. "'I tried to commit, I executed poorly on some shots "'and here I am accepting it.'" It's like I don't picture Xander as a guy playing for second or afraid of the moment. Like if anything, like from what we know about him it just seems like he should be a killer in these spots and knock him down and do it and he's made enough money now to not play afraid of these moments and it just doesn't, that putt that needs to go, I'm struggling to think of him

like nailing a huge putt they needed to go. I'm struggling to think of him like nailing a huge putt they needed to make. It just always seems to me. It reminds me a little bit of like a weird comp but like Sergio, I guess where, I mean, obviously not as interesting necessarily like off the golf course. Although I think Sanders got some takes if anybody wants to hear them.

But it's, you know, Sergio won a lot of golf tournaments. It just was like the biggest ones that really mattered when you really wanted to see him make a putt. It kind of looked a lot like that. And I just wonder how many times you know, I think I think Xander like seemingly has a great attitude. And I think he has a big dose of the big tone. Like, you know, this wasn't this week, but we did a lot of good stuff. Okay, what happened next time? Well, it wasn't my week. But you know, we did a lot of good stuff. I don't

just, I don't know how many times you could do that over and over and over and over before it has to like, it's kind of weird. It's like Xander's going to win one and he's going to win it by like four or five. And I think he said that. I think he said that too, or it's like, God, I'm always close. I never am like slam the door on anybody. Yeah. And at some point he's just going to it's all gonna match up and he's gonna win one by four or five. I think with Xander too, like DJ, we were texting about this down the stretch with, I think it was on 18 where Xander's got that long putt and it's like, man, like

you're down one, you really, really want to make this. But also if you three putt, it's probably going to cost you like a million. That was a tough spot to be. That was the one that was the one I was like I bet he's like he's gonna get this one to the hole but actually this is the one like don't blow this one fast just a couple things that are coming out on the socials as we sit here the will great tweeted out that Ted Scott said quote I told my wife Friday night I don't see him playing this weekend that's how that's all shook up Scotty was and then Justin Ray just tweeted this stat that up Scotty was and then Justin Ray

just tweeted this stat that said Scotty Scheffler won and Wyndham Clark finished runner up in back to back weeks on the PGA Tour I've gone back 50 years and cannot find another example of a player winning in back to back weeks with the same player finishing runner up in both tournaments. That's outrageous. I would have hey here's that's kind a, like not to bring this back to live or not to bring everything back to live. But at some point, isn't that kind of a take of that could be john like Scotty, you know, john rom could have been in these fields or whatever. And all it takes is one player like we can be talking about like, let's say Scotty went to live. We can be talking about Wyndham Clark, going back to back weeks. And, you know, being the dude right now, we're not because Scotty didn't go to

live. You know, what if I think what sucks about that too is like, I'm like, we're all we're all poor because of it, right? Totally. But I think it's also like, I don't know how to say it the right way. But like, I think we all follow it closely enough to know that like what Scott is doing is so dramatically different than any other player winning in back toto-back weeks that he would have truly bring anybody on planet Earth, man. He's still winning both of those events. But even considering the phenomenon you just laid out,

there's still going to be enough people that are going to take away from the accomplishment and be like, well, it still doesn't really count as much because not everybody's there. And I get where those people are coming from too. Yeah. Which I guess to that point too, like that makes it that much more impressive what Wyndham's done. Well, it just, it is so stupid to think about like having to ask the question of what if Joaquin Neiman was in the field this week? Like imagine like just having that unanswered question and only settling this

four times a year. Like, this guy should be there, should be playing in this. Like, you can never, ever, ever replicate that event. Like, to put the D-Ryder hat on for a second. Like, that is just a phenomenal golf tournament and Liv will never have that. Like, it's just not, that's not what it is.

It's, and it's just a shame that that again yeah my feelings on this are well documented on that but I don't have a D rider hat but I got D rider change to D rider change it's just like that that there's so much to not like about the PGA Tour it'd be very clear on that there's too many events we get all documented but like the highs are still really freaking good and we're being deprived of a lot more chances for highs because of this and this was an example of you know a rare example of how it can still reach the Really tippy top peaks without these top guys, but we would just get this way more often

If we had more of these guys that we had so much context built up around the years and we're able to watch so a Good question here from Ian Fritz show we'll get that we got to talk some harmony in a second, but I want to ask this question. The best players in the world are who and in what order? This could be any scale. So this can be like a true power rankings of hey, if we're teaming up next week at a blah, blah, blah course, this is the order I would take. Give me a specific, give me specifics.

What tournament are we going to? Going next week to, let's just say it was Riviera, let's just say it was the Genesis next week. So not a major. Let's just say the Masters. All right, let's say the Masters. The Masters is such a unique course fit thing, whatever. Yeah. The best players in the world in my opinion, going into A major, we'll call it an average major. Let's say we have an average major next week,

is I. Schaeffler, number one. John Rahm, number two. Wyndham Clark, number three. Brooks Koepka Clark number three. Brooks Koepka number four. Maybe going into a major. Victor Hovland, Cantlay. I think after that, I think that's the separation. I think after that, you can kind of push me

in whatever direction you want. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna say Scotty is number one. I'm willing to ride with that. Everybody seems to be coming around on Scotty. I'll put Rom number two there as well. I'm gonna put Brooks at three if we're getting ready for a major. Again, that's a different question if it was the RIV I would not have him in my top five

But if it's a major if you're telling me we're getting ready to play a major he's he's right there. I'm taking Windham Clark number four and I'd still put Rory number five. I think You know, obviously the results have not been there but that if again if you're drafting who I think could win the next major, and those other four guys were off the board, I would go with Rory there. Do you see? I'm thinking average major. I'm thinking Pinehurst or Valhalla here. I'm thinking Pinehurst.

I'm thinking Scotty. Honestly, I'm going to shock you guys right now. I think if it's a major Nick Hardy. I think Harmon needs to be the conversation right now. Just the way that he's playing the way that really, honestly, yes, like yeah, yeah, if it's if it's Valhalla, no, if it's Pinehurst. Yeah, like, give me, give me Brian Harmon, hanging around doing stuff. I think Kadecki is I think about that. Kadecki did not play great golf this week, by his own

standards and and is like he's really, really dangerous for Augusta right now. I think Ludwig's up there as well. Like Ludwig didn't putt well this week at all and shot three 67s and a 73 and finished solo eighth. I think looking ahead, like, I don't know, I think Zala Taurus, like, you know, Rom's obviously top, top two or top three. Yeah.

Whether this was pound for pound. obviously top, top two or top three. Yeah. Whether this was pound for pound. Well, Jason's pound for pound. That's what I mean. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, but I don't know. I think there's kind of a not a changing in the guard right now, but there's definitely a, you know, an A class and a B class right now. And that's where, you know, it's really, really tough to know where Brooks is, or where Joaquin is, or where some of those guys are when they're

just seemingly not getting, you know, like, I'm not learning a whole lot from live Hong Kong. I don't think it's doing a whole lot. I just I just want to flash this up just to verify this from Marcus's as TCS Hideki, Harmon Ludwig and Zellotaurus over Wynton. Just want to verify that to be true. Will you lock that in for Piners? Yeah, I will.

Hell yeah. That's a good one. You can add Scythe to that list too. That's good, you can hit anywhere, Piners. And Fleetwood. Harmon was definitely out there doing stuff today, man Notice I didn't say Rory yet either Let's see one of the only guys who did not name

Fantastic week again from Brian Harmon That guy is fun to watch when he's hunting when he's chasing no no pun intended with the hunting I didn't fun to watch when he's hunting, when he's chasing. No pun intended with the hunting. I didn't mean that. But again another like validating thing for winning a major championship last year. Like one shot out of a playoff here at the players trying to chase down the dude in god mode of Scottie Scheffler. Like God, it just imagine trying to hunt Scottie Scheffler down when you're 5'7 and hitting the ball 40 yards behind him it's just seriously impressive the career he's had and I really enjoy watching him

play. Always doing so. The birdies on seven eight and nine were so impressive and then you know 11 I'm just I'm bummed he didn't birdie 16 it was cold-blooded on 15 and I'm like like even before he hit that birdie I was like man you know what like Harmon's coming man. I know like, even before he hit that birdie, I was like, man, you know what? Like Harmon's coming. And I know, like he's, I really want him to be the dude. And I really want him to be this like cold-blooded assassin type of guy. We got to do better than that on 16. Wedge in your hand, you hit it to 50 feet, need to make a birdie. That, that.

The one thing I will say there though, is is he's he has to draw it in there Yeah, versus the rest of the guys get to fade one off that slope. That's fair But then but then again, that's you know, you try to hit a draw and you pull it a little he gets a hit a fade On on 18 when the rest of the guys have to hit or yeah an 18. Yeah Just look did he hit wedge in his 15 had 156 in, a little downwind. That seems like a big wedge for him though. If just looking at the numbers, I don't know how far he hits it,

but that would scream tweener to me. That would be with a back pin of water. I think he thought on 18, I think he thought he flagged that too. I mean, he walked out for that thing like he thought it was, and it just held up a little bit. That's a really cool, where was and I think it's pretty close to where xander was too, right? That's a really cool little section of that pine straw where I don't know if they trim those trees back or anything or not

But like it seemed like guys had a lot of shots from there Like if you just trickle into that that pine straw the first maybe Six seven feet like you have a pretty good shot at the green It's just so hard and so hard to control your spin and that's what I'm talking about with like good recovery options and stuff, that's a really fun shot to watch. It was eight iron, I'm being told in there.

Am I, it was into the wind, why did I? Oh right, 18 was down. Yeah, 18 was down, so apologies. People are dogging me cause they're saying, hey, he sees dis in Windham saying he choked, which I didn't say that he, I think he choked like mid back nine, but then he came back on it

and he's not dissing Harmon for choking on 16. And it's like Harmon's also like five foot seven and hits the ball. There's context here people. I mean, Harmon's a fucking dog. Windham's not that tall. How tall is Windham? Six foot, six one, but he's a power plant there.

I think there's something there though with, I mean, Harmon had some great quotes this week of saying basically like, this is my favorite tournament on the PGA Tour. This is my favorite course to play out here. It doesn't favor anybody. Everybody's got a fair shot. Like, you know, he's just, I've come to really, really, really appreciate Harmon for being just voice of reason, dude that just tells it like it is. And like, there's no bullshit other than him pulling up to big J in the, in the parking lot and saying, hey, I love these signature events, baby. We haven't confirmed that story was true, by the way.

I want to propose this to Harmon. I want to get like a 12 pack of beer, put in a cooler. We start recording on a podcast and we can't stop until all the beers are gone. That would be, he'd be a top candidate for a pod that would sound something like that. So. I think that's a great idea. I was saying, I think maybe an ice fishing type of scenario,

you know, you're not leaving the ice fishing house until, you know, until we've really got this pot in the can. I think something like that would be great. I mean, if you're hunting, you can't talk to him. I don't think I'm, I'm not made up for that kind of stuff, Dej. I like the entertaining too. Harman would have done well with that I did a rod that the guy

got penalized in. I think I'm weeks ago didn't come across that loose correctly. Rounding out the rest of top 10 Matt Fitzpatrick had kind of a quiet weekend set 6869 but he finished fifth Sebo Kim and Hideki shared six see who just continues to be the dude at the player see who and Doug Gim are the dudes that take the biggest leaps Somehow every year in this tournament Ludwig with an eighth and then saw hath and mavenik nearly round out the the top ten Matt Fitzpatrick number two in the field and driving distance this week

310 yards. Rory was close to setting the birdie record this week and he finished at minus nine and a tie for 19th. Kind of a bizarre little week for him. Shot to shooting 65 with 10 birdies in the opening round and kind of just was not really hard from after that. On a golf course that was quite gettable. So yeah, I don't know if we I don't have a ton ton of Rory stuff

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and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, and thank you, to back up my Scotty enthusiasm, but I did not do that, which I regret. I had a lot of

weird confidence in Mark Hubbard after Thursday. I guess that was kind of a, I'll wear that one a little bit, but I think the big one is I think I kind of flew the banner after the Rory 65 and was like, Oh man, he did the work. He put in the time on Monday. He's got these two competing swing fields. That's totally sustainable. I think that's gonna be great. I think I probably was just a little too high on the rib after that Thursday 65. So I'll own that may a culpa there for me that should have seen the large we should zoomed out TC and seen, hey, we've had some good rounds. That hasn't really been the

issue. It's more like stringing four rounds together, avoiding a lot of silly, silly, silly mistakes, many of which popped up over the remaining 54 holes. So apologies there to you and the entire listenership. T.C. You have a mea culpa? I do. I do. DJ, that's first of all, that's big of you. You know, second of all, I'd like to issue a mini mea culpa for Austin Eckrode. waiting on his ball.

I thought NBC captured this brilliantly today. We'll get to NBC. I thought they were, that's probably a mini-mea culpa as well. It's possible for them to have great coverage. I thought they crushed this weekend. So Brian Roberts, I'll see you down the road at the next GMBRI or whatever. He's going to find a way to blame others But Eckrode heck road had a

Putt that was hanging on the lip Sorry, I'm bummed you missed this. I think you were out of the golf course He would have been you've been apoplectic about this. He would have been telling everybody the rule My work is done here. Nobody wanted to believe me when this rule happened Kind of slow walked, slow walked through the hole. He's playing with Joel Damon. And, you know, the clock started pretty early. And I don't think the ball went in for 17 or 18 seconds. Of course, your guy Deuce was in the booth. He was, they called him in, they said, Hey, Deuce, what's going on here?

He was like, oh, this is clearly over the limit under arrest. Ekro goes on to shoot 76. I was quite, quite high on him. What's your mulligan here, TC? No, just, I have a Maya Colbamba on behalf of Austin Ekro and the Ekrodites. And then also I just want to say- Just that you're apologizing that it went in? Or I don't know- No, I'm apologizing that he waited so long.

Oh, I see. Yeah, it was disgusting. And then B, I do want to apologize. I think if Scottie would have won the Masters in hindsight, it wouldn't have been the worst thing for golf. It would have actually been the best thing for golf. It would have actually been the best thing for golf. Cause there would be more, there would be two majors. We'd be looking at even more history and context

and everything. So I'd like to apologize for misreading the situation. Bet you guys didn't see that one coming. No, you're kind of undoing all these great bits. That sucks. I was going to play to refer to that one forever. And you can't, not if you've apologized for it. Now like, all right, if Scottie plays like shit the next

like two years and then comes back and wins another Masters. My mulligan I would like a mulligan on a lot of things I said about the players coming into this tournament I was pretty down on it with you know it used to be the strongest field in golf definitely would not be the same it's the event that's hurt the most by Liv and all these things I'll still I'll still agree that is the one that has hurt the most. But it is like its own separate category. It's kind of something that like kind of survives in spite of all the guys that they've lost in a big way. I mean, again, it's helped majorly by live from being there by all

the great coverage, the ESPN plus plus coverage the NBC coverage is way better the limited commercial interruption Getting to go in person all the people that come out to the event and the energy there. It's it's totally different it's very different than any other PGA tour event on the calendar and My mulligan was just that I I was a little harsh on it coming in I did not expect it to be and that's you know, that's not just due to the end this finish really. I mean, I was feeling this by Thursday in terms of how much bigger of a deal this tournament is and how, you know, it hurt itself so much in our eyes and a lot of people's eyes by all this fifth major talk whenever that was being pushed by the agenda and has been somehow

underappreciated in the years, probably not in small part because of that and some of the marketing around it, but man, it is first class. It's just phenomenal. And I always have such a great time every year and I'm sad it's gone. Amen, Sal.

I feel like they've reached a good spot between trying to juice this thing, but also making it feel like Jacksonville. The last few years, I've been a little bit afraid that they're going to squeeze some of the fun out of it or try to be too, too, too serious. And I feel like this year was a perfect blend. I still think maybe the setup could be a little bit more serious know, kind of agronomy there. But one thing I won't be apologizing to is the Canadians, even though Cory Connors, Mackenzie Hughes, couple of them played well today.

You know, it's not apologizing. Thank you, TC. I think we, I do believe we've concluded this segment. So, Surf Pro is the number one choice in cleanup and restoration. They do construction too, Surf Pro's 50 years of experience helping people recover from disasters They are here to help 24 7 just call 1-800 surf pro They specialize in cleaning and restoration due to floods storms fires mold and more

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going to fix his driving? Is that what he said? I missed this quote. Yeah, he basically was like, yeah, like we just figured out like my swing is what it is and like we're not fixing it. It's fully baked. On Monday he was saying he figured out some stuff about it. That's amazing. That's unfortunate. But he continues to, he's printing some money, man. The guy's playing some golf. I wouldn't be surprised to see a win or two from saw hit this year But give me saw hit that pinehurst all day man Dylan putting this week

What'd you guys think of Monahan getting the boo birds as he would did the introduction? Gary I should say Gary Bettman getting the the boo birds as he went to go to the trophy ceremony to wrap it up Sorry that I'll be quite honest, really, really candid here. It brought tears to my eyes. It truly, I mean, that's, I tweeted this, this is like the Pope getting booed at the Vatican. I mean, we're in Ponte Vedra beach, we're down the street from the moat.

They got their tentacles into every bit of this society down here and people still boot them. That's tough. That speaks volumes. We're all trying to find the guy who did this. Why is there a guy with two players, chains booing him back there? Who is this guy?

Yeah, that's why. I think he got booted the tour championship last year too. It's hardly the first time. I think he's been on a bit of a, he might be getting used to it at this point. Tyless too. Players isn't taking it so seriously.

He's standing there at the lectern with his hands in his pocket. Do better, man. He's just trying to be one of the boys, TC. I mean, you see, you had old man Tim out there and Deam doing the same thing. You don't have anything to say for them. Steaming, steaming, Dean Deamon. Keep it going.

I don't know. Yeah, you said something about the, you know, kind of wrapped up in your in your apology. I think there's, I need to organize my thoughts here a little bit better, but I think there's something to be taken away there regarding the fact that I think the players and the PJ Tour as a whole, when people get into this, there's no stars,

there's no stars, there's no stars. I don't know that there's ever been that many outside of Tiger, and it's like the biggest strength is like the infrastructure of the PJ tour and the players is probably the best example of that, you know, I mean like the The telecast and the fact that it you know, it's 16 17 18. It's the golf course It's all of those things is like that's why I live is not gonna have that It's not really like it doesn't fucking matter like who has what players like that's kind of the whole thing about live Hong Kong having, you know, whatever four of the best players in the world.

It's like, yeah, well, it still doesn't matter. Cause I don't watch live Hong Kong. That's not part of the last 50 years of like the fabric of, of golf, I guess, maybe in 50 years, like, yeah, maybe it can get there, but like, that's, that's where it keeps coming back to like this stalemate for me. And I guess if there's like optimism for the PJ tour, it's like, that's what's going to probably carry the day. And that's where like guys are going to probably consolidate on one side of the

fence rather than the other is because of exactly that. I feel like if they fucked it up this bad and it's still kind of what I'm Yeah. So I'm like a cockroach. Yeah, exactly. Although I think the one thing about Zander not winning that I would have loved to have seen Zander collect the trophy from Jay after what Zander said about Jay

on Wednesday or Tuesday afternoon I should say. That would have been some good content. Birdland M Lark said, don't you just walk into the room with the officer tomorrow and ask him if he enjoys burning money on live or would you rather invest in the PGA Tour and have more Sundays like these? Imagine 8 to 10 elevated events a year

funded by PIF on courses owned by PGA and PIF that can build a similar experience. Maybe. That's not quite as easy as it sounds, I don't think. You still gotta get the details right, and there's still a reason why the Quail Hollow Elevator Event is still not gonna feel all that different than a regular PJ Tour event. But I'm confident we can get there.

That's probably time for another pod. I was gonna say that. That one seems, that's like, again, if common sense ruled the day in these, Birdland mark, or Birdland M-lark, I should say, then I would agree with you, but that doesn't seem to be how decisions are being made in a lot of this, and so yeah,

I don't think it's quite that simple. TC, you ever figure out what that bird was in your backyard today? Yeah, it was a that simple. T.C., you ever figure out what that bird was in your backyard today? Yeah, it was a hawk. I had- Unbelievable. Literally hundreds of DMs in my Instagram I posted. I said, any amateur or professional ornithologist wanna help me out here.

What a creature. Yeah, truly. BWEggins said, shotgun starts are better right. Imagine Scotty finishing on hole three today. That made me laugh. That's like like the one thing the tour does have as the the finishes on Saturday afternoon are almost always usually pretty close which Sally I think you you said something interesting earlier this week on one of our I think it was our Friday or Saturday show where you just said hey like I think all these guys should finish on, so they should start on one and finish on 18.

All four rounds. Should reflect that all four rounds, which I think is true. What's the largest field you can have then in that regard? Like 75, 80? Kind of depends on time of year. I haven't timed this out. But I think it's 56 divided by two.

I feel like a hundred people in threesomes off one tee, separated out by 12 minutes 33 groups, something like that seems like you could get that in in this much daylight, right? I mean, it is jarring to see how much quicker they play when it's twosomes. Oh my god. Like Friday versus Saturday. And then even I mean, shit today, like, what which group got got warned a couple times saw it up there. Yeah, saw it all over the

map. Yeah. And they got warned. And then I mean, they still finished what like 2025 30 minutes early tonight, they were supposed to go till seven tonight. Well, I think they flew, I think they rigged it for a playoff. And that ball was supposed to fall in there. And cause they hit the window was, there was enough daylight, there was enough, it did not feel like the tournament was getting ready to end when that ball was on the way.

Cause it really felt like we were gonna get gonna get some more golf out of it. God, I can't believe that didn't fall. Cody, how do you feel about Windham? It's okay. I mean, he's like a great guy. It's okay. It's very hard to, TZ, I's like a great guy. It's it's very hard to teach.

I understand what you're saying. It's very hard to disagree with a t ball that he hits because outside of the speed, that's basically like my tee shot. So I have some issues there, but those are really personal. I think he has like an amazing short game. The thing that I can't get like behind is that the putting routine. It's really, really bad. Um, but I will say that, you know, last year we're during these shows, we're calling out Scotty for stomping behind the ball all the time and, and watching his head.

And you know, we highlighted that on the happy hour show. He wasn't about that this week, but there's Wyndham doing it again. I don't know. I think he's I mean, he's proving himself to be a big time player. I don't know if that's going to continue to, you know, he's going to crank out some dubs here. But it's a lot better than, you know, the guy that I had no clue who he was fucking a year and a half ago. Yeah, let's say he's lifted and elevated from from a big, big

wide range of dudes that can swing it hard and can't necessarily get the ball in the hole. I'll tell you who else has kind of gone from like being on a major medical to, I know you mentioned him briefly, but Mav. I mean, he was sponsor exemption to AT&T last month and now he's up to 41, he was, he's up to 41st in the FedEx Cup. And do we think, I mean, Joel Damon, he was 171st coming into this. Do we know what Matt needed for his card? Like they didn't really, they mentioned it,

but they didn't say specifically what he needs to get his card and I have no idea. I mean, I don't, you know, based on Jimmy Walker's comments this week, I don't think anybody knows, like, what do we truly? You know, how do we get our card even what is a card? There a lot of guys popping off this week the

Melnati stuff was good as well. I just Cody shout out to your guy going. What was it 60? 68 81 something 66 81 something like that after giving just like I mean, the only one, I don't know which audio you pulled, Cody, but the only thing that I really love, TC, there was a moment I just felt like I was soaring. And just for context here, Pierre Monati, of course, is on the PJ Tour Policy Board. And so this news story broke, and I think it was a really good one. And I think it was a really good one.

And I think it was a really good one. And I think it was a really good one. And I think it was a really good one. And I think it was a really good one. And just for context here, here Monotti of course is on the, uh, on the, the PJ tour policy board. And, uh, so this new story broke, uh, Saturday during the day, I think Eamonn Lynch reported that. Yasser like players were being encouraged, heavily encouraged, like the PJ tour policy board players, uh, were being heavily encouraged to go meet with Yasser in person as soon as Monday potentially and it sounds like

maybe that's happening or not happening I don't know but maybe these guys are all meeting up in a house in the greater Jacksonville beach area which is kind of interesting but so Malnati there's a bunch of people waiting for him after he shoots I think 66 yesterday and 66 81 yeah it's just outrageous so before the 81 he steps up to the to the dais and it's very like bubbly and then he just kind of goes off about a bunch of topics and one of the ones he went off about was uh was team golf and cody i think maybe you have that audio are, you are not a big cliques guy. I'm sorry. There, I, I think their business model though, they see those teams as

franchises that could be sold. And so like that's a potential revenue source, you know, in terms, if you, if you were to go down this road, like you got the Washington's commanders and the Pittsburgh Steelers and the like and you're gonna Have a I I'm not I'm just I'm just the messenger. No, no, no, I have no idea I didn't know but they that was there that was their business plan interesting like the captains have is that what is that? You guys must love me cuz I sit up here and ask questions and don't shut up I should probably just leave but

Is that me? Is that what is that what we're doing with this TGL thing? The TGL, the teams of that are owned by owners. The only reason I even know that is because I saw the Atlanta theater. There's a team in Atlanta and it's owned by the same guy that owns the Falcons who's now come onto the PJ Tour Enterprises board. And it sounds really exciting, but I had no idea that's what TGL is. So there you go. There's some team golf. We'll, we'll whack it inside a dome or whatever they're doing. Well, the point of that was before, even before that, uh, you know, the, the very, very unfair, uh, shot at the cliques by Doug Ferguson, uh, was, you know, he was

asked about team golf and what kind of place team golf has in the future of the PJ tour and he had a pretty good quote in there and some pretty good, he was asked about team golf and what kind of place team golf has in the future of the PGA tour. And he had a pretty good quote in there. It's pretty good. He was kind of cooking for a minute. I'd like, yeah, I just, you know, yeah, listen, of course you guys hate, I, you know, I don't know anything you guys tell me, but like, seems kind of stupid, right? Like, it's like, you know, I don't think anybody like really cares about like team golf and like, it doesn't seem like anybody cares what team wins on live each week. Hey, you guys tell me. I don't know. Maybe I haven't watched it. But I don't know. What do we can just make up teams?

And we pull people out of a hat. We say you guys are a team now. That sounds kind of dumb to me. I will say, DJ, on the flip side though, what's the PGA Tour done? All right. Does anybody really care about the Sanders and Farms? Oh, totally, totally. No, exactly. It's, anyways, it was very funny that, like, I would encourage, I don't even know if it's available. I watched it on the media site, but the, there's a good 15, 16 minute presser that is Peter kind of cooking about the future of the tour and meeting with Yasser. And then, you know, just again, the context that he went out shot 81 the next day is Cody.

I don't know if he was maybe looking at some, some Saudi YouTube videos or what he was, what he was doing. He got spooked overnight. He might've gotten a little radicalized. He got radicalized. For sure. Yeah, I don't know.

Just, that was about it. He started thinking about how good, how much his golf was worth and how much it was going to be worth if he was able to get a transfer over to, to his beloved colleagues. So I think Peter said the quiet part out loud there a little bit of like, Hey, you know, like, I never shut up. I'm on the board here. Like, yeah, man, like you don't shut up and you're on the board and you don't understand what the equity program is or what this or that is. And it's like, at some point, like, maybe shouldn't we get somebody

more serious on the board that isn't just a mouthpiece for the tour? It was, I don't know. It's interesting. I mean, I think it's like, he's on the board for a very specific reason, right? Like he's there to represent a certain class of player, which is like a weird thing in itself.

I would think like from his perspective, that's gotta be a weird way to see yourself. Just as like, Oh no, I'm here for kind of like the lesser known players, you know, it's like, well, you're still the same field as Scotty. Like, you're still trying to beat them. Like that's, that's a weird thing in itself. I don't know the whole, the whole thing. Like, again, just pointing out like the 6681 thing is like, maybe there's totally no connection whatsoever. But it you know, if I was squinting, I'd be like, well, it really seems like it's like affecting these dudes that are on the board. You know, that's that's a pretty tangible result.

Yeah, I don't know. I just I struggle with our yassers. So we got the players, I guess, meeting with the officer like, all right, right, why didn't the players fucking meet with Yasser in October, when the golf season's not in full swing, when you're not trying to get ready for the Masters? Why don't we figure that out then, right? And before they poach Rom. Peter also had some interesting stuff in the presser too

about how basically a lot of, he's like, before, I almost said January 6th, before June 6th, he's like, you know, before almost said January 6 before June 6. He's like, you know, I think after June 6, I think all the players were like, this is such bullshit. We don't have any power. We need to like we need to change how things are going. He's like, honestly, guys, like I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way to where like, now we're being asked all these questions that like we don't we shouldn't be answering these questions. Like, I don't know know we i don't know what to do i'm just i'm a golfer

and so again it's like the fact that those guys are maybe maybe not going and like meeting with you know one of the most powerful men in the world and like some house in north florida is like what a fucking weird place we're we're in with golf right now. They're more than welcome to meet at Bullbean. I can I suggest your garage as a pretty neutral site. Yeah. Do you think they that Yasser travels with a huge like motorcade or does it reach that level? Like if we just camp out on a one eight tomorrow, like will we see the motorcade come by? And I mean, I think he travels in like a couple of G G six fifties.

You know, one of those speaking, speaking of which. So I've been tracking the two planes that Yasser has, has, has been Oh, yes. It last two years. Our guy radar Atlas, right? Thanks to radar Atlas. We've got a one, two combo on this trying to put everything together. But so they they're both in North America.

One flew into Houston tonight and the other one landed right before we started in the Bahamas, where just weird coincidence, Tiger's Plains been in the Bahamas for the last three days. I'm doing some fishing, I suppose, but Tiger's Boats down there. Privacy. He's been bone fit. He was in a bone fishing trip in Albany last days. I'm doing some fishing, I suppose, but Tigers boats down there. Privacy. He's been bone fit. He was in a bone fishing trip in Albany last weekend. I guess he's still down there. Well, the plane just got back two days ago. Privacy has been down there for like 16 days now. So we got things merging, of course. But if anything pops tomorrow

morning, you know, we'll see. Do I expect a meeting to happen? Yeah, I do. Because's been follow-up conversations and quotes from that. I think Cantley gave a interview today, Rory talked about it after his round. So it's all looking like, yeah, they're gonna meet up. And I think what DJ mentioned is that, you know, everybody can joke on Pete all we want,

but he is, you know, smart in where he says, you know, we're just golfers here and we need to trust the people that we put in these positions to run these organizations. And that trust right now is kind of lacking a little bit. So on the steps that Jay and the rest of the executives laid out, this was always the long-term plan. Now, TC, I'll agree with you on your point of like,

why isn't this happening in the fall? You realize how busy Yasser is like getting on his schedule He doesn't give a shit about a PGA Tour player or their calendar or really Jay Monahan No, I know but it is a monohand. Why would you in the world? Why would you let Yasser then? Establish that much more leverage over the last two or three months when it's probably in your best interest? They have the unlimited cash. It's in your best interest to get this thing done more quickly. I know they got the SSG thing. And then on top of that, we heard in Jay's presser on Tuesday that the non-denial that various player directors

asked for the resignation of Jay and some of the independent directors on the board. That's got to be jarring for the players to see, all right, do we really have any power? I think in the long run, it's yes when that PGA Tour Enter enterprises board gets set up. However, in the short term, that board seemingly doesn't really have any power as of yet. So we'll see how that flows. But I think with regard to Jay, it's one of those things of like, the guy gets up there and he's more punchable than ever and he's more, he's, you know, more cliches and more business bullshit than ever. And he seems like he's Teflon because he's got Herlihy and, and Dunn and Flaherty, you know, covering for him. And so I'm really, I'm really glad that the

players got Joe Ogilvie as that kind of seventh dude in the room for, you know, both, you know, kind of that, you know, PGA Tour enterprises that like player liaison role that they've got him in. Because I think that's going to make a big difference moving forward. It's just, it's more bodies, right? It's more, yeah, more votes and more votes that aren't web and Peter that are you know, kowtowing to you know some of the the powers that be in the status quo so I'm kind of wave white flag of just don't care what happens just best players need to play together that I honestly I'm Look, I'm quite bored with the details at this point I don't care which faction wins who doesn't all I know is there's like one

There's there's definitely one guy that I want to see win a lot and I think he's like $600,000 richer as of today and I think we can bring him in right now into the show if you don't mind Cody, because he's in Jack's Beach right here, hopefully celebrating a very successful players championship. Mr. Joel Damon. Hello Joel, how are you? Morning Damon. Hello Joel, how are you? Morning, Diamond! Hi, morning friends! I think we should take out some more trees here at Sawgrass. I don't know exactly that whole shtick, but it's pretty funny.

I couldn't believe SullyU, that was a nice introduction. The text came through, and I haven't played in one of these like real elevated events, and when I played them I have not made a cut actually. That number was astounding. My wife almost fell out of her chair and I'm not kidding you. Well, it's funny. The first text I sent you after watching full swing was like, dude, dope kitchen.

Absolutely love it. Love what you're doing here, which is to say that in my late thirties, my priorities maybe have changed a little bit in life, but you look a little different, man. You got a little less, a little less ass on you. If I might say you're looking, you're down several pounds. If I'm talking to Gino, you hit the golf ball really well this week. What's, what's going on with Joel since, since we last saw you?

Uh, I don't feel like a lot has changed, um, with me, I guess, I don't know. I've, yes, I've talked to, I guess everyone's know. Yes, I've talked to a sports psychologist. He is a sports life coach, management guy. Super cool dude. Actually, is it Wyndham? It is not Wyndham as much as it would be just so easy to just talk to a sports psychologist once a major and it's super easy. But I think it's a great way to get to know people. I think it be just so easy to talk to sports psychologists once the majors and it's super easy but no and really it's things have been really good since August and the golf game is pretty good in the fall and I was doing a lot of good things that all golfers tell you that we're doing and you guys know you've been lying to it forever, but I knew that it was pretty good.

And that's why I went to Puerto Rico last week, because I knew my game was close. And Thursday was so disappointing. But to wake up and come back and play great three days of golf was really nice. And for Tron to send me a couple of texts of stunting on hose. Phenomenal textx from Tron. That was after Friday I think too, right? Yeah, yeah it was. And you don't hand out compliments that easy.

So I knew I was doing something decent out there. Yeah, I watched you for a few holes today, man. It just, it looked a little different, man. Just watching you, watching you shape shots here. You shot into three today was just really good. And yeah, you just look like Things seem to be I guess what's what's kind of the reaction like after something like the full swing comes out and we have the reaction this is kind of the reaction to the reaction to the reaction I guess because

your full swing season 2 is really about full swing season 1 and the effect it's had on your life, but You know kind of what how all that was portrayed and how that relates to how things stand for you now What's what we can update us on? Yeah, I think the hardest thing is that they were filming last year And this is like almost a year from when it was going down so My my tough when they could then they caught me and all of that time was like kind of a June July type time and It was I mean it was playing like shit and I was trying to negotiate a new world. So

Like come August like I was kind of back to being Joel again and like doing the right things the right way and had a Great thing going off the course with my family and everything was good and played pretty well in the fall I mean I had to finish 13th at Sanderson and kind of had a sneaky chance in Vegas or I finished seventh and and My results haven't been that good this year, but you know when you're closer to playing a golf than when you're not. A lot of guys fake it, and I've faked it a ton. I'm like, oh, I'm close, I'm close. I really thought it was close, and that's why I added Puerto Rico last week. I had to play one of the better, probably top five of the last 54 holes, I would argue,

maybe. My first round was very good, but I was kind of hanging around there to the last 54 holes I would argue maybe my first round was very good but I was kind of hanging around there for to the last 54 what are what are the indicators for you Joel when you're close what are like the signals that you can really tell DJ why are you asking hard questions we can talk about Jack's Beach or the weather that's actually that's a really good question the indicators are I would say so we always have a baseline of where I'm at like Kind of on track man Like I can if I aim my body five degrees left that I'm swinging it and my path goes three and my face is a one

Out of half like that's pretty good So if I can show up and just kind of like feel like my aim's normal and swing normal and the ball flight's kind of like a small cut, like that's what I like. And sometimes when you show up to the golf course, it doesn't feel the same way. Sometimes you feel like you have to swing right

or sometimes you have to swing more left or sometimes you feel like you have to aim a certain way. And it was all kind of coming together of like I started to feel it and when I I don't really play shots as much as Maybe some other players but like when I started like feel a draw and actually like draws two yards like that's pretty good so I can get out there and just start playing golf and I looked at my coach my Luckily coach Rob caddy for me last week in Puerto Rico

and he's like, dude, just play golf. Like you're fine. Everything we're doing here, like I kept looking at him for answers. He's like, I don't have an answer for you anymore, man. Like at some point you have to sack up and play golf. And after Thursday here this week, he's like, I can't, your numbers are fine.

Like quit playing track man. He's like anti-track man guy. Yes, we do have track man and we use it, but's like get out of track and I go play golf and I just started playing golf and it actually worked which is really fun Joel your hair looks magnificent you know I'm trying to balance my I'm in actually Aaron Fleeners room right now he's staying with me and trying to balance my, I'm in actually Aaron Fleeners room right now. He's staying with me and trying to figure out where to go. But this is special.

This is super long and really great. And, uh, I can't believe that I'm in public like this, but no one watches your show anyways, so we're good guys, right? Joel, Joel, uh, I should show you. They showed it on the, uh, on the broadcast today, Austin Echorote's ball it on the on the broadcast today. Austin Echoroth's ball hanging on the lip. Yeah. All right. So walk us through that because it seems like they had to do Spabak on. I think it was taped.

They had to do Spabak on almost immediately. And they're like, no, this is out outside outside of 10 seconds. How does that go down? Because he like he basically hits the pott, it's hanging on the lip. He kind of slow walks up there. You guys are both examining it very, very close up. How does that go on from a rules perspective from there? So do you have, when a ball starts sitting

on the edge of the lip, do you have a normal amount of time or a you don't you can't just walk around forever yeah so a reasonable amount of time to get to the ball when you reach the the ball I don't know what they clarify that probably a imaginary circle three feet you have ten seconds for the ball to fall in the hole if it falls in ten seconds it counts as it going in. If it takes longer than 10 seconds for it to go in, it technically is a penalty stroke they count the ball going in so you get like whatever score you normally get. So

Austin made a five when he probably should have had a birdie. I mean and it was so weird because we got up there and he asked, he asked all the things he's like, Hey, how long do I have? And I was like 10 seconds. And I started kind of counting in my head and like, Hey, we're probably beyond a reasonable amount of time or whatever you want to clarify. But I'm like, they're with them. I'm like, this ball is going in 100% the ball's moving the entire time. This is going in. I just like, you always wonder how that works because this ball is going in the hole. like, you always wonder how that works. Cause this ball is going in the hole.

And that's why we sit there down close to it. So then do you guys call that on yourselves? Does Austin basically get up to the next tee and say, Hey, I think that was longer than 10 minutes. Or did the rules official come up a couple holes later and say, Hey, It probably felt like 10 minutes, but 10 seconds would be the clarifying there.

But it, yeah. We, so he asked what do I'm like hey look we have cameras on us this week actually all shots are live if you guys weren't aware of this it's really odd oh baby yeah it's this thing not many commercials either I think it's this really cool thing that we're working on and so I just said it look just call the rules official and just say, Hey, we look at this and like whatever token rules fish over Gary Young was inside and back within like a minute. And he's like, over time, that's far. And it's

kind of weird because in that moment, given awesome was not playing well, but if it was me, like, dude, my ball was going in the entire time and never stopped moving. That's why we sat there. We watched it like that would be a brutal thing to go through. Unfortunately, he played terrible today. So he didn't he didn't care and he just one two weeks ago and he's rich as shit and he's young and he's gonna be really good for a long time. So he really doesn't care. and he's young and he's gonna be really good for a long time so he really doesn't care. But it was just, it's a weird thing. It's like dude this ball's going in, we all knew it was going in, that's why we stared at it. And then you're like oh no that's a good part. We, Joel, we opened the show today just with raving about the way this tournament ended, the way the energy was on this, at this tournament all week and and how good the product was at the very end. What is it, after what's been a kind of a tough start to the year with a lot of stuff that's been going on tough couple years if I may say are you feeling

that energy like do you walk off this tournament aside from what you produce there are you kind of you know with what the players championship as a whole kind of give us your over your reaction to the tournament in the week as a whole yeah I mean I get that like this week has an asterisk in it right because Taylor Gooch isn't here and I completely understand that. It's just the reality. But it is it's just it's facts actually. So I get that it's not

what it used to be. But when you drive onto this property and you drive up TPC Boulevard, whatever it is and you see the clubhouse, like you get the same thing as like major championship fields and like this is a big time vibe. The other thing you get is like every coach is on property, every psychologist on property, everything's here, like it is a major championship field. The vibe is just different around here. So that's and that's on like a Tuesday, right? So you know that like players try a little extra. I mean, you're, we're gonna go to the Halls Bar next week, which is a great event,

but it's just gonna be like a letdown because it's just not the players. Like it's just ramped up feel. Everything about it is really good. I think when we get taken care of the way we do it in the clubhouse and the dining we have and all that stuff like it's just a whole lot of levels. So that's just a different level this week and it's really good. I don't

know. It's yes. Joel when I saw you panicked Thursday afternoon, his cleaner came in and said he's going to the bar and I was trying to figure out if I'm going to the bar with him. All right, we'll let you go. Potential lynches, but there is no, it's all good. I actually have a kid here with my wife, so I'm not going anywhere, but I was trying to figure out how to get out of the house without getting out of the house. It was a panic move. I was going to look to wrap up this show so I can come meet you wherever you end up because Joel, that's a bucket list thing for a lot of people. He's drinking a high noon, too

I am NOT drinking that he's not I would never do that Come on guys. I only drink bushmills. I love bushmills. Yes, they sold out your drink Your drink was fire this week. It was awesome. They were out of pineapple and grapefruit yesterday because so many people were drinking it. So they just gave you Bush Mills. Exactly for St. Patty's Day. Yeah. All right, we'll let you go man. We appreciate you jumping on. Have a great Sunday night. Congratulations on the great week. We hope many more are in your future. I'm sure they are. Thank

you guys. Big fan of you guys, as hopefully you guys know and you guys do a good job. So cheers and look forward to a text off of this and maybe we'll actually meet for a cocktail. Sounds great. See you buddy. Cheers guys.

Hell yeah. Guys, I saw Joel on Thursday afternoon and I was like, how'd you play? He's like, how'd you play? He's like, TC, I made 16 pars and two bogeys. Not very good. Taking the family to the beach. And sure enough, he shoots 67, 67, 68

to make like 600K plus and goes to Valspar next week. Feeling hot. You know what we call that TC? Perspective. And I think on that note, we're gonna move to conclude the 2024 Players Championship. I wanna thank everyone for tuning in all week.

It was a ton of fun. We wanna thank High Noon, of course, for supporting all of our live shows. Listen, there's still 5,000 people watching. I'm gonna bet all 5,000 of you are not all subscribers to our YouTube channel. If you wanna smash that subscribe button, we also have a new No Lying Up podcast channel

that you can subscribe to where our non-live podcasts are gonna live in the future. Cody, big round of applause for our guy Cody, always running the ones and twos on our live shows all week long. It's a lot of work that goes into that. We greatly appreciate that. TC, AKA Two Chains, greatly appreciated as always.

The Pie Man and everyone else that has also supported us. Greatly appreciate it. So we'll be- Hey, sorry about the wifi guys. That's on me. I didn't change anything. I don't know what happened. What a disaster.

But it looked like me and Joel were tethering off the same hotspot there for a while. Yeah. And it's seeing this crawl in the comments all show too. What's disaster. But it looked like me and Joel were tethering off the same hotspot there for a while. Yeah. And then it's a troll in the in the comments all show too. What's up? Yeah, Keith. I'm actually texting with Keith right now. I was like, would you like to join the show? Like your friend Joel, he said, no, I'd rather chuck him from the cheat seat. It's like, like you see in just troll. Well, reverse reverse troll, Keith, if you're still listening, the segment with Smiley on Friday was awesome. Enhanced the week. That was great. Which yeah, like mini hamster down here,

like NBC, you guys showed it was possible. It was so great to have Roger Mulpey there, Gary Koch, like, like, to Rico, like Rico. Yeah, like, everything's about Tommy Roy did a great job. It felt like a big event five or six years ago with all the technology of today. And so, and then live from was awesome all week. Johnson Wagner crushed it. Brandle and Paul McGinley going back and forth. They're great.

Rich learner being rich learner. I don't know, it felt like golf, you know, five to 10 years ago of like, hey, I'm tuning in. It's must see TV after coverage concludes. So great stuff there. And that kind of piggyback off that TC to say like, I know we've a lot of our comments in the past have maybe caused some some rifts in relationships with a lot of people that work on the TV side for NBC. It was never directed at you. It was all the people above you and the bosses that have hamstrung you guys from being able to do things right and all the cutting of the technology and the expenses and the cameras and the massive commercial loads. That's not your guys' fault. You guys do prove it when you're given the

rope to run with that you can create a really good product. And I'll put the call out again for Live From to be at elevated signature events. If you wanted to feel elevated signature. I watched so much freaking Live From, I watched them in the morning, you can watch them at any time, you can watch the replays, it's just great stuff.

Brandon and McGinley going back and forth on technology and course setup and things like that was was fantastic stuff. So on that note, we're gonna wrap one thing I almost feel like we need for the first time ever with players. I almost feel like we need a follow up episode this week. Because we didn't even get to big text Jimmy Walker's comments about how he wants more playing opportunities for the members, but less tournaments, less playing opportunities for the members on all of that. We got to

dig into that at some point here this week. So more to come. Here here. I'm guessing we'll have more quotes, of course, to go to go off of as of next week. So thanks again for everyone for watching tuning in. We'll see you back here soon. Take care. Cheers. Cheers.