No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 84: US Open Recap w/ Tron

Episode Date: June 20, 2017

Tron and Soly recap the US Open, break down Erin Hills, talk about the FOX broadcast, and discuss Koepka’s ball striking fiesta. We also settle our Noren beef, and provide a brief update on the... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 84: US Open Recap w/ Tron appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But we got Tron with me here. We're gonna recap the US Open Tron first off a belated happy first father's day. Appreciate it, man. Appreciate it. It was cool. It would be, you know, I did have to tell the junk man that he can't go to college. I can't afford it because I put his whole savings fund on leashman to win last week. But other than that, it was a great day. Whenever you get a chance to put your son's future on Mark Leesman, you can't pass up that opportunity.

First, I do want to apologize for the audio quality on this call. We have already tried this podcast once and talked for 20 minutes and found out Trons end of the call was not being recorded. So I'm in between technologically, recordable material or whatever you want to call it. Computers basically at the moment so apologies for that We're gonna try to rehash the the 20 minutes that we already just just shared but Pretty excited on my end about Brooks kept you being the 2017 US open champion Tron what was your immediate takeaway?

Well, first of all, I'm glad, you know, we are dedicated to getting this pot out. Oh, God, this has been an effort. This has been a huge effort. People have been hot about, about you, not getting any pods out last few days. You've been out north and yard to circles. Yeah, it's not that easy to like be, be, to, so far north, the service isn't great up there. I wasn't able to watch a lot of golf and I'm out doing other stuff so sorry I haven't been able to produce the pods lately and I currently don't have a home right now like there's a lot a lot of stuff going on but I do appreciate people wanting to hear the podcast and whatnot I'm not I'm I'm warning

about about nothing really but yeah this has been an effort because we tried to record it last night And then you had an impromptu father's day dinner that took priority Which was better because I was gonna be recording it at three o'clock in the morning And I'm proud to say that I will no longer be watching major championships into the middle of the night from Europe after this one I'm glad for your health. It's not good. It's really not good. Today's been a rough day I took I was on three planes today alone. It's 80 degrees now in Amsterdam There's no air conditioning. I'm sweating and a friend's apartment in a back room Recording this like from my iPad to my phone. It's really our home. This is not good. It's not good right now

But tomorrow I'm gonna be playing golf in Scotland. So I'm pretty excited about that, but But tomorrow I'm gonna be playing golf in Scotland, so I'm pretty excited about that. But onto the US Open, Capca, you're not, I don't think you're the biggest Capca guy at least compared to my borderline worshipness, but what did you think of his performance? Yeah, I mean, also, I love his game. Obviously, I think going back to when he was putting in work on the Euro Challenge Tour and the Euro Tour, that was sweet. We were way back, his game was awesome. They got one in.

Straight up, nobody else lost this. He won it. He was nails down the stretch. There's not a whole lot. I'll move in maybe the three put on 10, but even then, that wasn't the easiest lag putt in the world just to get it up there. So I was really impressed too. He dialed it back in some spots too.

Like a nice short part four coming on the stretch, laid it back, and then just took dead aim to that left side of that green. That took some serious stones under pressure there. So, I mean, there's nothing I can say about this game that's critical whatsoever. He drove the ball magnificently all week. I don't think it mattered for him that the fairways were wide. I mean, I just waspping it right down the middle. All my greps with him have been, I just don't think there's a whole lot there.

Maybe that's, you know, I mean, who am I to say? I think DJ is my favorite player, but, but I don't think, you know, it's just always been like, he's been this super bro. Right. Whether you're following him, like I was following him at the master's one year, like he just doesn't give you a whole lot, he seems like kind of just a jock for a better lack of a better word. But, you know, I'm not going to sit here and shit on him for a second. It's just a matter of, you know, I mean, the post-run interview was a good indication of that too.

Right, I thought that was like, when we get to see a different side of Emmer, that he would, maybe, you know, he probably had a hard time processing all of the emotions that came with winning your first major, but I don't know, I thought, I thought we'd see a little more out of him. I can't disagree with anything you said, basically,

about his, you know, him as person, his personality, and what I, there's not a lot there from what we can see. I don't know if I can't disagree with anything you said basically about his, you know, him as person, his personality and what I, there's not a lot there from what we can see. I don't know the guy personally, but man, his golf game, I think matches like everything that I dream of in a player, like, to a tee, the mashing that went on yesterday, the slight fade he plays, the control of his ball and the absolute relentlessness to not back down from any shot. Yet still, dialing it back when he needed to be strategic, like you said, I mean, I think it's been a fair criticism of yours in the past and I think he's even said himself, like I just, I swing hard, it goes straighter when I swing hard and I just try to get it down there as far as I can and then figure it out from there.

And that's what I saw at the Ryder Cup and the Ryder Cup kind of sets up for that and worked great. To go and out and execute that Gameplay and though at a US Open is a completely different thing Ryder Cup you can pretty much fire it flags and it's kind of a green light special US Open is usually the opposite of that I know it's set up really easy. We'll talk about the golf course a little bit, but Just his I don't know to admit I think he missed 10 greens for the week in the US open I know the greens are big but good lord

Yeah, I mean even on Sunday where you know obviously the course played differently than it was anticipated to just because of the Conditions and the rain and the lack of wind the feet it the first few days, but I mean it's not like he was missing Greens when the wind went up on Sunday either. No. I mean, he hit his, what did he hit his first nine greens on Sunday, or first 10, you know, first, like I, I mean, he hit like, you know, 10 in the first 11 greens or something.

Yeah, so yeah, I mean, he was just nails all day. You know, and yeah, he's certainly the course played different. I think if it was, you know, I mean, there's not a whole lot of courses out there that don't, that that aren't going to play like that when they get three inches of rain. Like, you can put them out there at Shinakok, and if it's not further and faster, they're probably going to, not take the course to its knees, but the scores are going to be five to ten shots lower for the week than say, you know, a regular open at Chinatown. So I mean, I don't think that's a fair criticism of the course just because that's nature.

That's mother nature, you know. And they got a lot of rain and it drained relatively well for how much rain they got to. And then when the course is designed to, you know, to play a certain way with prevailing winds and those winds don't the courses designed to, you know, play a certain way with prevailing winds and those winds don't show up, then, you know, that's a really tricky situation. I thought Gill Hans did a good job of explaining that on the telecaster. Yeah, and I think it's a really risky game too if the USGA were to be overly responsive to the criticism that came from some media folks.

And I want to limit that to media folks because I don't think we really heard much of any severe criticism of the golf course from the players and even guys that missed the cut. Like guys like Rory DJ, none of those guys said anything about the golf course or Billy Horser, even I think he shot, he was not close to making the cut and he said the golf course was great. And so it's not a Chamber's Bay like and no similarities to Chambers Bay here other than it's a first time that the this event's been held this course So I think it's just risky if if the USGA would overreact to the low scores and that again This was kind of the baseline for how easy it could play it blew on Sunday But it it could not have played much easier for the week.

If they set it up for, at the absolute easiest, it's going to be a really severe test. What happens when it blows and plays firm and fast? Like, Shinnecock O4 is what happens, where Phil is aiming into bunkers on purpose, because he can't hold greens. That's not a fun US Open. So if the score is up, you get that ninth green super firm and fast with the wind up. I mean guys are going to be getting making sevens and eights there. Oh and that's not that's that's the USGA and the US Open of the past that has been just a disaster. It's not fun.

I mean, maybe I don't have the best memory of Wingfoot like 06. But like, when I think of that course, I think about like rough, really narrow fairways rough just off the fairway and people having to gouge out down the fairway if they go in the rough at all. Like basically limiting so much strategic value in the golf course. And I know, yeah, I know Andy Johnson from the Friday kind of rubs off on the both of us and that he, when he likes a golf course, I'm more likely to, he influences my thinking of a golf course. He loved it because of how much

strategy goes into it, how much decision-making and how many options players have rather than, you know, just being forced to play a whole a specific way. So in that regard, I really enjoyed watching these guys take on different strategies and watching the way Sergio handled the course versus DJ and seeing how the guys adjusted to the different conditions when the wind blew and when one thing wasn't working around one, trying something different around two. I don't know, I enjoyed that. If you're focusing on the scores and relation to part,

you're focusing on, you're up with the wrong alley, man. It just doesn't matter. I know people are precious about their US open. And I get the criticism some people saying, like there's not shots out there that scared these guys. But it's like, man, if that wins, bow in 20 miles an hour all week,

there probably would have been some shots that would have really struck here in those guys. And I think the greens surrounds made a big difference with it being being relatively soft and receptive. A lot of those greens were kind of mounted and convex where if it is firm and fast you're missing the wrong side of those greens it's is firm and fast, you're missing the wrong side of those greens, you know, you would almost rather be in rough than in, you know, some bare line. So I think it was, that was a huge difference. It played a lot of different verses. What it would have played with guys missing greens, I think. It was much easier up and down. Yeah. That's that was a big big difference. And the conditions dictated the scoring and when when that happens in the in the open

championship, Luke Donald made this point. I'm stealing Luke Donald's take of all people. But when he made that point about the British up and it's like when the scoring dictates, you know, the conditions dictate the scoring in the British up and they they get praised for that, you know, that's a great thing. So what I love that they did is some of the pins that they gave that they set up were in places where if you hit a really solid shot, you could funnel it right down to the flag.

But if you're not within that 5'10, 15 foot range or whatnot, then you're missing on the wrong side the whole way, it's really punishing you. but you could earn a shot back on the field or a half shot wherever it averaged by just executing a solid shot. Some Sunday pins that they have like at Augusta are exactly like that. The pen on 16 on Sunday, like if you hit a solid shot, it funnels down to that flag and you can take advantage of it. It doesn't take a great shot.

It doesn't have to be amazing, but it's a test. You have to execute that shot. With that, it's going to come more birdies, which is, hey, that happens to be more exciting as well. That's a good thing for the golf tournament. I don't... This is where I differ. I respect people that really like to watch guys suffer and grind it out out there. I can understand that, but for me, that's not that enjoyable. Saturday was a lot more enjoyable than Sunday was for me. Calaway has been the fastest growing major golf ball brand since 2013 and Crombsoft has been a major part of that. Crombsoft is extremely fast, incredibly soft, and unbelievably easy to control, which is why many of the best players in the world have changed to Crombsoft. Also some of the worst players in the world, like the have changed to Chromesoft. Also some of the worst players in the world like the current state of my game I've also changed to the

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And guys in the world missed the cut. Right. And guys in the world miss the cut. Right. I can't believe it. And Brian Harmon was the 54-hole leader. Like it is 7800 yard course. Like it's a good, it was a good fair test, man. I don't know. Yes.

The obsession looks poor. It's just going away too, people are like, oh, I'm 7, I'm going to go to Port Far. Like, you know, kept going. I'm three with three iron in there, that's right. I said this Saturday too, it's like, go to your local golf course and stand 300 yards from a flag. And to get full appreciation for the shot the JT hit in on Saturday afternoon.

And I know that was the easiest day. There were the most low scores on Saturday and read shot 65. And that was when everyone started to turn on the golf course. But it's like, I don't care how easy a golf course is playing. You can't sit there and tell me hitting a three wood to five feet from 300 yards is easy or that, you know, read going out and shooting seven under on that golf course is easy. Like it's, it's not no matter how you slice it. Yes, the greens hold.

That's the biggest key for the pros is when they can land it near the pen, they're going to shoot low scores. It doesn't matter how long the golf course is, but again, the conditions are going to dictate that and it's just a risky, risky game and you can get out of hand really quickly if you don't budget for that. Yeah, and I think a lot of people are bitching about the half holes. Yeah, yeah. Like those to me like I would much rather watch guys play those holes and play in different ways, you know, because there was like there was that one short for where

you know, short ish for where like, you know, I would much rather be 120 yards out than 40 yards out depends on where the pins are, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Just fuck through that front panel and that. Yeah. So it's, I just, like I would much rather see guys have to make a conscious decision instead of just pulling out the longest club in their bag and hitting it, I will. And I, I felt like there was, there's a fair amount of power for us out there that it was just for the driver, which is, which is fine because I think there was enough still there

To make you consider your lines and your angles to give you yourself a good centerline bunkers and cross bunkers and like very well placed yardages. So but yeah, I mean I think Like yeah, some guys were complaining about that par 4 that That JT you know pulled three wood and hit it to like What like say like seven or eight feet right number 15 on Saturday. Yeah, I thought that was a great hole and it played totally different on On Sunday that's it on Saturday. Yeah, but it was too easy because it was a part four, but if it was a part three, and it was... So it paid like $355 or so for most of the days, and then they moved up to $290 on Saturday. But yeah, you can't... if it's a $290 our part four, it's too easy and whatnot.

And if you don't pull the shot off, if you go for it, don't pull the shot off, you're... You're looking at bogeys, like Yeah. Like, that's the thing. It's not, I mean, you still have to hit the shot. Right. That's another thing. Like, 290 yards, he landed it, you know, five feet behind the flag. And people are saying that that's too difficult or too easy.

It's like, dude, you guys aren't really seeing this here. It's not every player is doing this. There was just some phenomenal golf. The course set up, a great opportunity for phenomenal golf to come in. It kind of reminded me of, you know, like playing some, like playing the old course in Scotland where you, there's wide fairways, but being on a certain side of it, depending on where the pin is, dictates everything for the next shot. So while it seems super easy, just bomb it out there. If you bomb it, it end up down the left side to a left pin that you can't access from anywhere but the right, that's an issue. And that's the kind of test this course gave you. So I've never been

out there for the record. I mean, I'm talking like I know the course. I'm just saying from what I was able to see on TV. That's how it plays with me. I think that's that's some of what was lost with the rain too. It was just not having to work in both ways as much and not having to be on the right side of the fair as much because it was more accepted from all angles. Right. And not everyone views golf from this lens. My overall point is saying, I thought the Bragg has a good job with it, Gilhands was

excellent, but it didn't quite fully... It didn't work Gilhands! Yeah, it didn't fully come across all the things that went into it. And that's just my overall point is if you're listening to people that are just complaining about the low scores, that's not there's not enough there's not enough judgment to win into that call. They're saying that other than they're looking at historical scores and seeing records get broken stuff like that.

I mean, it's cool to, JT's 63 gets celebrated, kept his tying worries record and whatnot. I mean, none of that stuff really matters. What matters is the, this year, the challenge that was set forth and who emerged as the winners and the ones that succeeded. So, it just, it drives me nuts to like follow, first of all, Twitter sucks.

And just to like follow along during the majors It's like come on guys like try to sit back and enjoy this incredible exhibition of golf is a major We get four of these a year just to sit around and complain about it. I'm not saying it's perfect And not saying you know, I don't know it's Everybody's playing the same golf course. Right and but so That that's usually the excuse even when things suck but but like Chambers Bay, I didn't like that criticism of saying everyone's playing the same golf course, because the point about Chambers Bay was,

there was so much variance, even if you're hitting good shots, just, you know, yeah, yeah, so I'm with you here, and that this golf course was extremely fair and everyone's playing it. There are certain circumstances though, where Chambers Bay when you're putting on that broccoli, a five foot putt could come off the face just dead left through no faults of your own and that's where the fairness gets lost. So I think there were certain holes out there too.

Yeah. There was such gnarly slopes and stuff like that. This were just... Dude, there was a number eight. It's like in a lottery. Yeah, the par five, well I forget what hole is, I think it's number eight on Chambers Bay. I saw DJ land a ball in the left rough and it missed the fairway to the right. And it was like a straight hole.

Like that's how bad the slope of that fairway was. So again, this is totally different. And it's gonna happen anytime the USGA is gonna go to a golf course. It's not a traditional USGA course. The criticism is going to come fast and quick from mostly writers. And I was impressed with how with the players had to say about it. Even the guys in this the cut, they seem to take it pretty well and stride and not, you

know, speed said he hopes that they get another, another championship there. I forget exactly. I don't know that in front of me, these exact quotes, but it seemed to be overwhelming support. I think it's so it's so bad to when people are like, oh, it's not, you know, it's not traditional. You guys open set up and it's like, well, congressional is a prototypical US open set up that had it there, you know, once every 12 years or something. And it, and like, they took that course to its knees and there was no strategy at all. Right. Pulling out a driver on every hole. You know, so I thought this one was cool and then it gave a guy like Ryan Arman the chance to, you know, where he's never gonna, he's never gonna compete on, you

know, even a shorter course with narrower fairways. Because I think he sprays his driver a little bit more than, you know, and it's a bigger, it's a huge disadvantage for him when he's hitting five iron out of the rough, you know, versus if a guy bumping couches on a short course, he can hit it pitching way up out of the rough, you know. Yeah, that was another one, Andy's points too, it was just the two style of guys that emerged as that and I know Mazi Ahmed had up coming up and tying Harmon, but the guys that look, I mean it was to a certain point on that back nine It was you know 99% chance the winner was gonna come from Keppkar or Harmon the two contrasting styles of that course brought out

It's pretty rare in a US open to bring that out. So I Mean yeah, I think there's other courses that would maybe fit guys like DJ and Rory more than this one does, but the fact that they, you know, I don't mean to give them too much credit for not bitching about the golf course, but the fact that they could see the nuance to the course and the strategy to the course and say that it was a good overall course. And maybe they didn't even say that directly. I might not be remembering that right, but I just, I still felt like, you know,

the reaction from the players was positive. So, I mean, yeah, when Tiger Shot 19 under at St. Andrews, people weren't complaining about the scoring. And I just, that's whatever. And I don't care if records get broken. You know, I say that I made a big deal about JTE shooting 63 on Saturday, but mostly just because of the way that happened and how remarkable that finish was.

So you shot 63 with two bogies and a mist of evil putt. It hit me. It was crazy. What did you make of Johnny Miller like shitting on him basically? I mean, I think we were all disappointed if Johnny wouldn't have shown. I know, but like, it's not inaccurate. I mean, I mean, it's, it's, he's got kind of a point. It's not the same shooting at Final Round, Oakmont, Sunday. And I think somebody looked at the stroke scheme against the field and Johnny Miller's

what's better and what not. But dude, let the guy have his moment. That was my only thing. It was like, come on, man. I mean, we know what you you're what you're 63 men to me how often you Remind of seven. It's like and I like Johnny Miller. I know a lot of people don't but I think he's great for the game, but man I was like, come on in in this moment. And that's not me being a J.C. Homer. That's how this is. comparing contrasting scores and everything across different areas. And of course, we're talking about like Bob Jones in 1930.

I think like what he shot in the US open. I just don't, you know, the green speeds are totally different. The equipment is totally different. It's just a different, the depth of the field is totally different. It's just a different game, you know. Yeah, it's first of all good for work. Oops, sorry, I'm just knocks on the over. We're good.

For just, you see how much different scoring and whatnot can be from year to year. And I remember talking about something that happened like 40, what, 50 years ago, I can't even, I don't even do the math on that. Yeah, it's not really that comparable. So. Well, yeah, I was impressed like Harmon was nails

down the stretch. I think, I mean, everything was gonna have to go right for him to. Yeah. No wind. I thought, I thought, I think I'll flee which struggle a little bit from the start but I thought he held it together well.

Oh, he was great. He was awesome. Yeah. So, I don't watch a lot of Euro Tour golf, but I follow. You know, there's a lot of pretty smart guys I follow on the Euro Tour, and I see their fandom of Fleetwood and talk about him mashing it, but I also hear them talk about his short game and how it's mostly like European Tour betters that I follow, so they get so frustrated with the putts that he misses

in short game that this happens. But I can notice that maybe it stuck out to me because it had been brought to my attention but he was shaky ish around the greens but man that dude can hit a golf ball that is fun to watch. I thought Ricky was a little... I don't know if he just... Low T. I thought he was a little bit 10x. Yeah. I talk about bitch about guys that bought me a gouget but I thought it was a little bit tentative. Yeah. Just love this. You know, I talk about, you know, I'm bitch of all guys

that bought me a gouget, but I thought I could kind of let us foot off the gas pedal a little bit too much and be, you know, laying back a little bit too much. I mean, maybe you just felt like, you know, that was, that was gonna give the best chance to win. But it seemed like that wasn't as typical aggressive mentality. Yeah, I don't know what to make of it, you know,

because, and Nate, I don't know what to make of it, you know, because, and Nate, I don't know, you out and I went out and followed him a lot at the memorial this year and just kind of listening in the conversations and seeing that, you know, you get an appreciation for the strategy that goes into it and what the player is feeling that they're capable of, you know, so I do have a hard time sitting back watching,

so for example, I'm watching this on like a five inch screen on my phone to be like, you should play the course this way when I'm not in person. But it did seem weird on television watching it. I hope that's a good one. There was one down the stretch. I came through which hole it was, but the broadcasting actually thought he had drive or really a three way. Yeah.

And it was like, man, like, man, that's probably a hole where he needs to have driver and really give himself a look, you know, make something happen. Because he was that far behind at that point. But yeah, but then at the same token, like, you know, there was an article earlier from Brian Wacker. He was like talking about him not being mad, mad enough at himself after losing. I'm sure he's plenty mad at himself. I'm sure he's plenty disappointed. He's just not going to

publicly vlog himself. I'm like, what are we going to do? Yeah, that's just a bad take. Yeah, those guys are going to get in and out of that media room trying to make the least amount of headlines as possible when they're not winning the tournament, right? They're not going to try to be the story coming the next day. So what they tell the media is not necessarily exactly how they feel. Speak even admitted that on this podcast, he said like, yeah, I gotta figure out

what to give the media and what not to, otherwise they're gonna run with it and blah, blah, blah. So usually I rush to the- I'm not gonna get you to say, like, oh man, I'm not good enough to win a major, like say what Sergio said. Yeah. And then be like yeah

this is gonna ruin the rest of my season no he's gonna keep it infrespected and what he's really feeling he's he yeah he'll he'll keep that to himself and probably support psychologists yeah usually I rush to defend Ricky I don't I don't think I have anything here to sit in like defend him I feel like people are being pretty fair with him K KVV brought a pretty dieting little piece on him, but it was extremely fair. Just, you know, like it's like, all right, it's time for one of these to happen or else it's going to get into that period where people are going to really stress this out. But again, he's 28, filled him in one to his 33, Sergio Duman was his 37, like, he's given himself chance. Yeah, it's going to happen. That's the big thing. Are you giving yourself chances?

Right, that's not a bad thing to be close. We always jostle back and forth about Patrick Reed. But in my mind, this was probably the first time that Patrick Reed's given himself a chance. Yeah. He had a chance of Chambers Bay. He falls. Yeah.

Whereas Ricky's cost is only there. You know, you have a great year in the major last year, but the year before he was right there every time. So, you know, I don't have any concerns about Ricky. I think he'll be just fine. Yeah. Yeah. There's, it's impossible to sit back and criticize a guy

at the finish of top five when, like you said, six to the top 10, or nodding around for the week. He's just having fun. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely That's what JT said to on Sundays like I think he said in his press conference like 75 was as low as I could have shot today Like I just did not have it so I thought it was funny. He had a quote down the stretch It was like on one of the There's one of the longer part for the day. He was like it doesn't matter what I hit on this one. It was 12.

It's going the same place. I was like, it sounds like follow. It was actually like, I mean, it was a fair comment. Like, yeah, I didn't actually, I was impressed with how he, I was impressed with his body language on Sunday. Yeah, I thought you were doing it. I thought he handled it well. We go for a week and kind of,

you know, he didn't get to down on themselves. Yeah, I agree. I think he handled it it well. We go for a week and it didn't get too down on ourselves. Yeah, I agree. I think he handled it pretty well. Yeah. Kind of being in that situation for the first time, to follow up that set, and I hate the old adage, it's so hard to follow up a low round,

but to shoot that historic round on Saturday, then wait around until three o'clock for a tee time the next day, and it's a whole different experience. I'm sure you learned from it. I don't, and I guess, I was impressed that he was able to get in the house at 3 over with how he hit it. That 12 hole kind of messed with people. He messed with Ricky pretty much all week too.

Some of those guys just could not figure out what to do on that home. He messed even the round he shot 63. He hit it in the rough, on a downslope and still somehow made birdie out of it. But that was fun to watch. I'm sorry to see that that Peter out on Sunday but man that was quite the quite the fun tournament. What did you think of Fox? You're the resident media critic here. This is right up your radar. I thought Fox was great. I like the there was a couple of little pickcups like they just... they didn't show enough guys, especially the first two days, it was kind of... it was almost like they over corrected on Saturday and Sunday with guys like Cameron Chan

and Shaffler to where, you know, they weren't... they just weren't playing that well and they went out of their way of showing, or they'd've shown putting yeah it's like everyone wants to watch camera champ hit drivers right you know so I thought that was kind of a late reaction there the brownie point segments are awesome yep because they're my favorite it's basically everything that CBS tries to do with Fowdo and just can't figure out how to like it. It's like such slow production value. You know what I mean? It's like one camera, a dude rolling basketballs or each ball or whatever, down slopes. But like I thought it was extremely helpful as far as understanding what some of these green complexes behaved like.

Um, I thought they gave a, I thought they did a great job explaining the course there's in Friday and they kind of backed off of that weekend to the point where I don't feel like we got as much of a feel of the course on the weekend. I thought that kind of petered out. I'm like, they had a great fly over yesterday and I was like, man, why haven't you guys been doing this for every hole? Gil Hans was awesome. I could listen to him just on the main broadcast. Not a fan of Shane O'Donohue.

I like Julienks, they're a lot. I think she's kind of miscast. A faxin was good. Like faxin. Yeah, I don't know the faxin guy. Zinger is just so good. I feel like they get, when they get three guys going there with buck faxin and Zinger's too much, just because I think Zinger just dominates.

So the thing for me with faxes is how little, maybe this isn't the right way to say it, but how little ego goes into it and that they seem to want like listen to people and what people want. Like they may... There's not a whole lot of them trying to control the narrative. Exactly. They're not CBSing it is what exactly what we're saying. So they... I think with... I kind of sound like I love Azing or the first couple days and then after a few days I kind of get sour on it.

Really? Yeah, he just seems like kind of an angry old dude. Really? The more and more, yeah. I just love his way of describing the nerve that go into it. And there's so much, and I talked to him a little bit the memorial, man, and he's like that in one-on-one as well.

Just talking about, you know, playing the final singles and the writer cup and he's like, I'm you know, one-on-one as well. Just talking about, you know, playing the final, you know, singles in the Ryder Cup and he's like, I'm eating one frosted flake at a time because I can't even swallow because I'm so nervous. And just the way that he set that scene for a guy that's been there, I love it. And I, but that's the free throw analogy yesterday. Yeah.

Like where he was like, yeah, you know, it's like, it's like you got these free throws at the end of the game of game 7 of the NBA finals and You hit one of them and then the referee comes over and says no you gotta wait until tomorrow to shoot the next time I thought that you know, I thought that was that was a good analogy, but yeah, I mean I Certainly I'm like nimp in here. Yeah, yeah, I think he's a great commentator But it was just funny how I was so psyched to listen to him on Thursday and Friday and then I don't know if he just You know, it seemed like he was just a little bit Little bit curmudgeonly, but for me to complain about that

Almost ironic thing in the world These spicy curmudgeon, but no I they showed a ton of shots It was a conscious effort show as many shots as possible. I even talked baking them a little bit about that. He mentioned how that's their thing. They didn't spend a lot of time in the booth or with interviews and stuff on Sunday. It was show golf shots and that's the thing we've been craving. That's the most important thing to me.

The graphics are just phenomenal. They get the protracacer on the fairway shots and showing where the pin is, so you can see when a ball is tracking towards the pin that's absolutely vital to the viewer. And like a couple of people tweeted to me, I don't have the names in front of me, but like how can CBS watch that broadcast?

And be like, you know, no, we got this figured out. Like we're good with what we do. Like that's the way it should be. Well, so my thing with CBS too, is is you know I've heard it's a technology issue but they don't it don't as many Recorders and it's me cameras and it's you know they haven't made an investment in technology Where the guys out in the towers aren't getting The whole feed you know they're not getting like three or four feet or skin one feet

But at the end of the day with CVS, it's like Fox has made this investment with only having a handful of tournaments a year when you count the USM. Right. And you guys cover how many PG-A-Tort events a year and you don't have this, including two of the four majors, that just doesn't add up for me. Yeah. But, you know, it's like how can Fox have all this technology and have a pro-trace from

pretty much every hole and sometimes from the fairway? From the FESCUE. From the FESCUE. They had it from the FESCUE. Yeah, and it's like CBS doesn't even want anyone have one on more than three or four holes? Yeah. It's called a derivative. It's like, come on, I'm gonna be here.

Yeah, that's totally great. Now, but for one criticism I have of them though, and I still, I prefer a Fox broadcast, just because of what we said, the showing the shots, they're still kind of figuring out the narrative part, and as much as Hammer or CBS for driving home narratives, like they're still trying to get a hold on the story. And it's, I can't imagine how hard it is again. That's just where so much experience will have to go into it.

But a lot of technological mistakes that I wouldn't expect in year three. I kind of forgave them the first couple of years, it's minor, but so many times the audio, not syncing up the video and just kind of some... It would like fade out, yeah, they would do some sort of fade out. Yeah, premature pro-tretch and just some stuff that was kind of... Alright, it's year three, like that's the kind of kings I would have expected.

But again, I think that just comes with reps. Yeah. But that was one of year three. Even year two I was like, that's cool, whatever. You're three of like... Yeah, think about it on an intra-year basis. Like they're only getting these reps a couple to year versus, you know, so.

I know. But yeah, that's a fair point for sure. I thought their pieces, like, they're, they're, you know, kind of long-form pieces we're good to. Like, all the, you know, all the stuff they did. Boy, it was more Thursday than Friday, but all the stuff they did as far as, you know, little things about the making of the course and all the stuff they did Boy it was more Thursday Friday, but all the stuff they did is far as you know little Little things about the making of the course and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah

Overall think it's turning in a real strong direction. I think I think bacon's ready to graduate into the booth I think he'd be good, you know host. Yeah hosting that second line Um, and I think also Darren Clark Fox. Yeah, he's good. I love Darren Clark He's just stood he's good. I love Darren Clark. He's a stud. He's a stud. So yeah, I think people what is your buck take? I think people are a bit too hard on him and I yeah, I made a joke about you know when you got the girlfriend's name wrong yesterday more of a joke at nance which Fowdo retweeted that's actually hilarious. I don't know if you saw that. But he got hammered for not knowing the Kepka's girlfriend's name, which I know for a fact, he was fed that information by some researcher

or whatnot that gave him the bad information. He looked terrible for that part. But do you like Black Collin Gulf tournament? Do you think the criticism is warranted or a bit too hard? I have totally. So go back to the girlfriend thing. Thought it girlfriend thing, that was the most ironic person for him to do that with, because like Kebckis game was in just such a bad place for the first maybe three or four months of the year and it was because he broke up with this pretty

fierce ex-girlfriend. I know, that's why it was so bad. That's what people were saying people were like, who cares about the girlfriend, it's like that was so bad. That's what people were, some people were like, who cares about the girlfriend? It was like, that was really bad. Like, but, you know what, I've come pretty much full circle on Buck. I used to just down right hate him. And a lot of the, I'm a big randy boss. Just disgusting act.

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what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, really in one baseball. But I've really grown to like him just in all sports and just to see how good I think golf really helps him. I think just to see how versatile he is too. I think there were a few little details or a few little storylines that he missed but I think for the most part I mean he sets everybody else up for success. Yep. You know, so I think he does a good job of staying out of the way, keeping his little solo, keep Quee short and just letting the experts kind of talk about it. And I've never done it, but I would imagine calling live golf is very hard. And I really don't have that strong of a desire to do it, because just feeling dead airtime

seems like a nightmare to me. And that's why I have a hard time criticizing the guys that do it unless they're just giving bad information or irrelevant information. But I think Buck gets a little too hard for rep. I don't think Fox doesn't have another guy to go to in that scenario that I would prefer in that place. So, the one area for improvement is doing a pregame show. Like when you put undisputed and you have, you remember one,

in Dipschit number two, on property there. Oh my God. And the other about LeBron. And like that was just so out of place and poorly conceived. It's, but it gave us some easy material. I like that part at least. But I imagine like skip bail since Shannon Sharp trying to break down like Brian Harmon Like what are the chances either of those guys had heard of Brian Harmon before this week DJ's tweet about the blind holes and Ricky not be able to see the blind holes and the tall players having the image there was so perfect. It's great. I mean, it's that that's more in the fox outside of golf realm

problem I think than it is. That's the right. We're speeding that to the golf producer guys. I thought there was a lot more room for they totally with on the amateur stories. Yeah. I thought there was a lot more room for They totally with on the amateur stories. Yeah, I thought that was that's one of the reasons why the US open special Yep, and then I thought just the kind of the lead ups of the tournament, too. There's a lot more they could do around the qualifying They do a lot on the qualifying don't they? No, like they had a one hour show that ran at midnight. Yeah, Wednesday, you know on this section all Monday or whatever But you know, I thought like that was something. Hey, at least he's something like a 30 minute or an hour long like live show Just get you know get everybody kind of sighted out about always qualifying sides because I think that's that would that would be a really cool deal Yeah, people care about that, you know, well

All right, let's move on to I want to first talk about the blimp Because I came under some heat for the blimp tweet on I forget if that was Thursday or Friday I before so I made a dumb joke about protracer on the blimp that crashed Before I made a dumb joke about protracer on the blimp that crashed Before I made it somebody on the ground said I checked with somebody on the ground They said yeah, somebody he parachute out. He's fine So I knew that there was and I'm again I'm following I'm like hiking through the woods of Norway I'm not exactly up on all the

Everything's going on, but I knew before I made the joke I was like all right need at least make sure this guy's okay. And I'd assume that everyone knew this guy was okay, et cetera. It turns out the guy was seriously injured. Thank God he is alive. And I came, I'm quite a bit of heat for tweeting that joke, which again, I was under the impression that he was fine. I'm glad to see that he is okay and being properly treated, but that's my only explanation for that. I didn't delete it because again, yeah, that's what I knew at the time. But we probably...

I got the sense that the heat was coming from some already unfriendlies. Correct. Correct. Yeah, the British media was not too happy with us this week. I want to clarify though that I'm not in support, and as much as we appreciate everyone's support of this show, of us in any way possible, I don't, we don't need to act like,

we're not asking you to be stools and DM people that you know, criticize us and harass them. That's where we'll draw the line. We're not in support of that. Again, we appreciate you guys rallying for us, but really not necessary. We can defend ourselves and don't do not flood other people's inboxes just for just for kind of giving us a hard time. We could take it. We got thick skinned. We dished out so we can take it,

but that's my only only ad then into that. I don't know if you have any say there. And I just thought it was interesting that James Corrigan's initials are JC. That was another guy that got persecuted. You had that one playing out, didn't you? No, I didn't. No. I was just thinking, God, what a fruit-loved that guy is. Oh, man, he's not happy with us, but, uh, yeah, sorry.

We're a bit disruptive, I guess. I don't know what exactly we did to piss that guy off that much, but that's just that's just my two cents and that we don't we don't need you guys it's not a good look for us is what's my point like we're not we're here to do something different we appreciate you know we're here trying to give you some different coverage but it's not a good look for us if people don't feel comfortable you know calling us out when they see fit I've got no problem taking criticism at least you know I can be a bit thin skin but, but you know, like sometimes it's warranted. Sometimes I need to be brought back down to earth a little bit.

And sometimes I'm way too harsh on people. Like, man, people got fired up about my Justin Rose take. That was fine. Which is, yeah, we need to vent. Like, this is, again, my Twitter sucks. Like, your take was totally fine. And people took it like eight different direction I my take was like I know that I should like this guy. Yeah, and for whatever reason I don't like I and like that's just I don't know why like that was the take yeah, but there's enough there because off is small or somebody that like somebody that

He really isn't on some of this stuff when really it's like that's just my take like I know I've never met him I know people love him and it's one of those well-liked guys on tour That's why I said it, you know, it just like convinced me otherwise, you know but Going back to the blimp thing man Andy was all over the the low-flying blimp at the players Trying to make that a story like trying to see if you can mess with people Trying to make that a story, like trying to just see if you can mess with people and like make that a story. I mean, he was asking everybody that he possibly could have like, oh man, I mean, really

today, tell me. Did you notice that, that, that, that Blimp? It was just so loaded. He was, he was just trying to make it a thing. And then so the Blimp operating company, there was operating this blimp, I guess they weren't affiliated with the USGA or, you know, the tournament at all. And this company, their last tweet was a retweet of Andy's comment about the height of the blimp. The thing for the players. Like, I just thought that was the most ironic thing.

It was pretty amazing. And that became like a hilarious, first of all, with the players. And now it is like a running joke. And so when there was a plane that was flying really low, and it was messing up the audio on the broadcast, and Andy said, I think Andy's phone was blowing up with people making the same joke.

Is that blip flying a little bit? A little bit flying a little bit. I think that's all the notes I had for it. It's kind of, I don't know if is there anything else we missed from this past week or last couple of weeks? It's been it's been a while since we caught up. I believe it's been Freddie not being able to go to college. Yeah. It's good to see Duff get off the snide the nice timing with We should have done we should have given somebody a US open podcast bump But we were unable to get one recorded, but good to see Duff get off the snide. I really enjoyed talking to that guy man that was yeah, I think that was one of the more The most feedback I've ever gotten on any podcasts including Rory spieth any of those was the impression that people got from Duff and seeing the inquisitive side of him.

I've always had this impression, you know, maybe it was just because all the Duff-nearing stuff got played out, which is kind of shoved out every throat or like I almost got to the point with Duff or like everybody's saying oh, that's just Duff being Duff. And it's like, I don't know, maybe the guy's just like a lazy asshole. This kind of flipped me back to like, all right, Duff's pretty chill dude, he's cool, you know? And the coming from where he's coming from in his career, you know, kind of a late, late bloomer like that, I think that speaks volumes. That's cool. The fact that he's kind of

having this, this second resurgence, yeah, it's sweet. Seems to be in a good place. Should we share, we got a little bit of news on our part. So part of the reason, yeah, things have been a bit crazy on my end lately. I'm going to be moving back to the States. Probably sometime at the end of July. but actually recently resigned from my full-time job and I am going to be doing no-lang-up full-time starting next month. So I'm heading over to the Irish Open, actually to cover that, heading to the Scottish Open as part of our Callaway giveaway and also going to the Open Championship. Although the RNA was stingy and denied me a credential for that,

I will be around there covering that as well. But, yeah, probably, probably. Give me a little more freedom to linger out and drink some beers maybe and watch some golf. It's got some good things coming in the hopper. A lot more travel stuff coming up. I'm going to be playing a bunch in Scotland over the course of the next couple weeks

And documenting the crap out of that. I need to get my post up on loaf and links the course I played in Norway feedback on that was pretty remarkable. I already had a group of 12 people saying that they're going up there I'd based on based on the pictures that we post on Instagram that course was awesome, but A lot more coming in the hopper in the next couple months, so that's kind of what we've been teasing. It's going to be a bit tougher for me to get podcasts out of the next month, kind of still traveling and whatnot, but a lot of good things coming, I think. I'm psyched, man. Yeah, a lot happening. You're paving the way for us all, so.

Well, hopefully you've met me in your bosses, what's the deal? Yeah, it's just quite a limb to go out on. I'm going go from living in Amsterdam and traveling the world to actually being a blogger in my parents' basement. That insult is going to work on me starting in a couple months. We're gonna try to figure out a good place for me to live. I think I'll probably end up somewhere near you and the near future. But a lot of things to work out in that regard. But man, we got some big things lined up for potentially for July and for August. And into the fall as well. And as you would say, take the top off the defense. But bear with us through these next couple months. I'm hoping to get some really good podcasts lined up for Scottish open Irish Show I'm excited to see some Euro tour. Oh wait, we can't hang up yet. We have to settle the norin G

Oh, no, we're not even close to dunk here. Okay, all right. I thought we were getting I thought I was running out of takes here But no, we have a we have a major beef to settle here. Now my phone was blowing up when you call me out on Twitter Like, oh, is this the fight to bring some down? Now my phone was blowing up when you called me out on Twitter like oh is this the fight to bring some down And Just you know in flanatory Alex Lauren. Take well, so let's go back to where the Norton thing started It was was a off-hand comment I made at some point about how I disagree with Noren being the eighth ranked player in the world that infuriated you

to the point where you have reminded me of it at many times. Now we just keep kind of nudging each other on it to the point where it became a full-blown. This was what, like, six to nine months ago? A long time ago, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, and just kind, and usually the like the highest ranked

player that plays strictly on the European tour kind of becomes my punching bag for the abusing of the official world golf rankings. So Noren's like, it's not a personal thing with Noren. Like, Kair came up to me at the memorial asking me, my Noren takes. I was like, I don't have, I really don't have anything to get this guy, but he's kind of my current punching bag. But, uh. I'm like a porter off to, right? What's that? And an Oklahoma State cowboy?

Yeah, no, no, no one else seems to really care about this passionately except for you. I just felt like, all right, so here's a deal. How many times does it know around one? A lot. Like a lot. Like a big big of that. Yep, yep.

Not denying that. Not at all denying that. So I do agree with you. I think it's a pretty well stated or well documented. Like point, it's just like a fact at this point that the OWGR gives way too many points for wins in relation to second third place What regardless of the tour it's on but I think that's magnified even more When you get on to the Euro tour and the Asian tour and all that so I'm like I think we're on the same side of the fence on that.

Yeah. I just think Norell is a poor example. Yeah, and the people are gonna be disappointed with this showdown, I think, on this, because I see your point in that, and I hate absolutely hate shitting on a guy that's won what five times in the last year. My overall point in that is he's not beating, when I say his peers, I mean,

like those guys in the top 20, he's not beating those guys on a consistent basis. And so when he shows up in the majors and in the WGC's, and I don't have his WGC record in front of me, so I may be inaccurate there, but it's not like Norton is coming, it's like this big, it's not the way like ROM comes into a tournament or even Danny Willett when his game was on, it wasn't the same kind of presence and awareness that goes into it. And it is my anti-European tour bias that comes through there. But it's like, all right, if you're the eighth ranked player in the world, I need to see you show out when you're not outside of what goes on in the European tour. And it's not fair because I'm diminishing, like winning five times in the Euro Tour in

that time frame, if I had that number right, is insane. And they're not small tournaments, like you said. So I get that, but my point is, and it is not the reason for the official World Golf rankings. It's kind of a silly stupid argument on my point. But if we're doing like a fantasy draft of guys right now, Noren's not going in the top 10 in my draft, that's for sure. I don't know if he is for you, but that's kind of my overall point. It's like, all right, this guy, I have a hard time calling the A3 player.

Yeah. But, but, but I think just to a certain extent, like, I, you know, there's some guys in the past, I mean, all right, this is ridiculous. Oh, yes. This guy's basically like, you know, one of the Madira Islands opened a couple times and then, you know, or balled out on the Japan tour. But like, Norek, he won the Scottish Open last year, for instance. Yeah. Again, like, that was a stacked field.

Yeah. It was a lot of Americans in that field. You know, the cream of the crop on the Euro Tour was there. He played well in the match play this year. He came in like fourth or he came in like top five I think there. Did he? Yeah, that's on me then. The other thing they got me all fired up was the major.

What? We went back to 2013. He was hurt for like two years. But my point there was like that's even past the official work off ranking measurement period Was that he got into this top 10 without doing anything in majors like the biggest and most important tournaments Like he hasn't even earned like a single point almost in any of those and that's that was kind of I'm saying like all right And if you're if you can't show out in any of these tournaments like any of them get any points in those, then how can I say that you, that this is like what you do. Yeah, but it's valid too.

He's playing in his first few masters, he's, you know, three of the four majors are in the US. Yeah. I just think you have to take a larger sample size with the majors, and that's something that I'm probably being unfair to Patrick Reed Yeah, I'm not rude too. So like I will admit, right, you know, there's way to hard on him Although I do think Andy Johnson has a good take that his right-to-left ball flight Yeah front pins especially like on some of these, you know

Final days definitely don't work in his favor for me. But like, Noren, I don't know, I just, the quality of the event that he's won, in the way in which he's done it, and just him being a late bloomer, like for me, I don't think we should use his past major record to diminish what he's done, because otherwise we'd be saying the same,

we would have been saying the same thing about a guy like Duffmer. Yep. No, and again, that's... That was, yeah, my overall, and that's why there's way more nuance to this conversation than can fit on Twitter, which also sucks, by the way. But it is kind of like, again, my point was just like, all right, if you've risen this

far without bringing up, at at all in these biggest events, it's raised a question mark for me, not a red flag, just a question mark. And I do agree that the death isn't the same on the hero. Yeah, the point is if Noren's lining it up in the Ryder Cup against us, I'm not fearing him the way I do, like even a Fleetwood or a ROM or anything like that.

That's my overall like all right You know, if you played on the PGA tour he would be a well above average and good player He's not maybe he would have won a tournament But I it's hard for me to say like he he would be doing anything near that on the PGA tour That it's not it's like kind of a it's a hypothetical you can't say that yeah, yeah real. Yeah, well till exactly That fair and my are we fair there and clear and good Okay Question for you what what do you think all right? So if you had to draft the top 10 players in the world. Oh

To play next week Where we playing? Uh, we'll say we're playing at... We're playing at Quail Hollow. Quail Hollow next week. Yeah, it's a PGA, because I think the bird deals tricky, so I'd say... Yeah. Quail Hollow.

Um, I know what you're getting at here, by the way. I don't, you know what? I'm creating a big rib t- I know. I know who are. I don't, I don't want to bail out of the question by saying, I don't know enough about Coil Hollow. So, I go into Mirfield this year and... I'm Mirfield's 5, we'll send Mirfield.

Well, my point is, I always thought Mirfield was like a great bomber's course because of the wide fairways. But then I watch it a little closer and I see that there's not like great advantage bombing it down a lot of these fairways. And that's a second shot course. Totally a second shot course.

And I don't think I would have noticed that as much on TV. So, so yeah, it does totally. That's right. Going back, how about this? How about Valhalla? TV so So yeah, it does Okay, who we taking number one overall right now? I still my mind turned DJ immediately. I think I take DJ it's hard for me to look at you know two bad weeks and what and not want to take I know yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like you know, I mean given a couple weeks weeks You know, he was hurt and all that I don't think yeah, I still think teachers Yeah, but I just plan of all time. I think your question is where does where does Rory get drafted on that?

I Mean this gonna surprise you. I'm still a believer and I know I just I just don't think he just hasn't shown the ability to grind No, I'm willing mr. Grine. I don't know what that means exactly. It's not like I know give what you're going out, but it's not like he gives up. I think people just have this expectation of him that his B game needs to be at a particular level to solidify his legacy or greatness, or it kind of leads people to the take like that Elkington had this weekend, that he does his disinterested. I don't get that at all. He finished with it in a fury to get to six over

or whatnot on Friday afternoon. I feel like he's not, and I'm certainly not saying he's disinterested, but there's just, and in some ways, I feel like he's not, and I'm certainly not saying he's disinterested, but there's just, and in some ways, I feel this about some of the other guys that really drive afar, and it's kind of like Feast or Fam, and I think that might be a result of their swings too. Just how far they swing ball, and they're either on or off. But I just feel like he's just missing too many six to eight footers that he's not, I don't know if he's not reading him right or he's not grinding on him.

I don't know, it's just, that sounds like a bad take, but he's just like, the nebulus, just this fade thing where like you watch him grind out when he doesn't have his A game on a Thursday and like he grinds and figure out his own way but he doesn't have his A game on a Thursday and like he grinds and figure out his swim but he doesn't figure out a way to like manufacture runs or like like speak where he just you know he just grinds his butt off to get right those thing footers yeah I think with Roy the thing has always been like his peak is so amazingly good yeah that that I don't know how to say this. I don't want to say it doesn't matter The grinding thing doesn't matter, but my my thing is like I think the way he sees it is truly just win or bust

And he gets in these zones where his confidence rises to this level of you know Every pin is in sight and he just plays as balls out gain that gives themselves so many 15 footers runs into enough of them and wins that it's not, and it may be fair to say it's not a priority for him to top 10 or to grind out around it's not, maybe it's just not capable of grinding it because his mind doesn't, like, he still wants to fire at every pin. But I don't think that's a bad thing overall. I think Feaster, as much as we get on people for not like winning enough, I mean,

when he goes out and he blows fields away when he wins, and again, I default back to always the four majors. Like when he's been in contention in majors, he's won. Every one of them, except for like the 2010 PGA, he was like a one shot out of that playoff, and there was maybe one other And every one of them except for like the 2010 PGA, he was like a one shot out of that playoff. And there was maybe one other that he finished rather close. But when he's,

I mean, that was a faster one, but like, no, that was, that was, that was, he was not, he ended up not being close to winning that. But I think he had like a T2 or T3 somewhere else. But overall, he's just like, it's win or, you know, I'm not winning and I don't know, I don't have a overall, he's just like, it's win or, you know, I'm not winning. And I don't know. I don't have a major, major issue with that just because, um, for the app, as dumb as Elk's take was for some of these guys, like money doesn't matter. Like, money,

it depends on the 10 to 20 to him definitely doesn't matter. I'm not saying he gives up, but it's like these guys are out here for to win. Oh, for sure know I even say I have right I don't have a problem with this game I just that's been a big take away for me is just that there's not that you know It's kind of like that that baseball analogy like there's kind of like manufacturing a run where Some games that just they're like laden with power hitters. They just can't manufacture run Some names that just, they're like, laden with power headers, they just can't manufacture guns. Randy's Tweet. I'm not seeing the ball, yeah.

Randy really is not, not walking today. It was perfect. That was so good. Are anything else? You know, Zach Johnson's like more like one Pierre. Yeah? Yeah. Every team needs a one Pierre.

Anything else, otherwise, I gotta be up in about four or five hours to catch a flight to Edinburgh, but I think we got it mostly covered unless you got anything else we left out. fellow Jack speech resident he got T4 yesterday and then the air capital class he got in Wichita on the web tour walked up the web tour car for the rest of the year so shout out to him on that at the big time and then Eddie means Eddie Pepperel Yeah shout out to him he mess just requesting a towel if there's any other players listen to this and want a towel or want to wrap anything on the course We are obviously all in on that I T15 this week wrapping the US the no-ling up towel at the US open that guy read his blog He's been through some major struggles to see him come out and play well is awesome I can't wait to sit down chat with that guy

Yeah, and then I'll be having Hartford later this week for a couple days. Yeah. Hit me up if you were up there playing a little golf with Andy, Friday, and CB on Wednesday, too. So enjoy it. It's going to be a good week. Sounds like it. So.

All right, Tyron. Thank you for bearing with the technological difficulties and anyone listening. Thank you for listening to this lower audio quality. Hopefully you can get that resolved here in the future. Probably next pod will be a Scotland wrap up next week around this time. And otherwise, yeah, enjoy your trip, Charon. Travel safe and talk to you soon. then talk to you soon. Let me see. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most.