No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 88: Open Championship Recap w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg

Episode Date: July 24, 2017

ESPN’s Kevin Van Valkenburg joins me live from Southport just a few hours after Jordan Spieth was crowned the Open Champion. We talk about how it happened, the epic #TourSauce display, Royal Birkdale, Rory, and... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 88: Open Championship Recap w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The only successful lure back to my room here at Airbnb here in Southport is from ESPN.com, ESPN Magazine, Kevin Van Volkenberg wrapping up the open championship. It's Sunday evening, 9.15 local time, how we feeling? I'm wearing my cutest Sunday outfit. I hope that you appreciate how hard it was to get me back to doing this part. Well, I am excited.

This was a pretty boring day for a long time and then probably one of the craziest major finishes I think I've ever seen. I would say cringe inducing. I followed speed for the first nine holes and then ducked back to the media center for a few just to kind of talk with other writers about what we're going to work on. And it was just really palpable how like you didn't feel great about what was going on. His swing just like like crap and he was not happy and Grelor was really really trying to talk him back into it. And it just you know even if if kuchas making a bunch of birdies you could sort of feel like oh it was fun but he was just kind of treading water a little bit.

I don't know if boring is quite right, but it was like ugly. It was not boring. Boring wasn't right to say. It was uncomfortable. Yep, I would say. I was just mostly, I root for speed, but I mean, when it comes into the day,

I don't, it's not gonna like really affect me whether he wins or loses. I was just dreading the takes. I honestly was. I don't, it's not gonna like really affect me whether he wins or loses. I was just dreading the takes. I honestly was, I was dreading it. I just like, this is gonna be a gust all over again. And I was surprised going into the round, there wasn't more of Kenny overcome what happened to the gust, blah, blah, blah.

It felt like people were crowning him. And I even like mentioned on Twitter this morning, like the hold on a second like this is not over and I mean he had a six shot even the back nine at Augusta and didn't win. Three shots is not that much and I still said that he was gonna get it done and he did and I was kind of I was pretty right say and like hold on a second. I the whole car ride over to the Burkdale today. I was like, oh, it's over. Yeah, you and you were like, do your credit. You were like, come on. Like, all of a sudden,

if you hit the first shot out of bounds, like, we got ourselves a real tight championship, and I was like, nah, he's gonna shoot 68 at the worst. And you just weren't having it. And I think that- But you three of the first four, was that right? Three of the first five. Yeah. But you know Boky 3 of the first four, is that right? It's the first one. Yeah. But you know who else was worried about the takes? Jordan Speed.

Was he? Jordan Speed said in his press conference, this is the reason reasons why I really like Speed. People accuse me sometimes of being two in the tank for Speed for sort of a thing. Because I've said, I think he's this generation's Tom Watson and stuff. But he is willing to talk about what

goes on in his head more than any golfer ever. Like Tiger give us nothing for so long. Speed gives us everything and it becomes his own worst enemy. And as an example of that, he said in his press conference after this, on the course, like literally like, while some of that stuff was going on on 13, he was thinking, I'm gonna have to hear about Augusta all over again.

This is just gonna be Jordan Chokes. He can't win a championship when he has the lead. Like he can't close. He's got nerves. And I think that's amazing. That makes him so human. Like, we talk all the time about how human Rory is and how refreshing that is. Jordan gets, I think, a little bit of a rep for being robotic and, you know, being sort

of some of our friends kind of say, oh, he's just such a boring robot and stuff I don't think that's really true. I think he he's corporate in the sense when he has to be But he really opens up and lets you into his mind after around talking about how he was nervous or what mistakes He was making I'm with you and that he gets the reputation of being part of the C suite and all and he is like a perfect corporate image but It it almost I don't know. I don't know why I find myself Impatizing with him more than I do other players like exactly is I just felt like Yeah, it doesn't really affect me

But I just didn't want to see a player go through that again because I because exactly what he said is the questions that are come to him You're never gonna be able to avoid whereas Flip it on him now he wins and we're talking about the second youngest person ever to get to three majors. Yeah, so that's what the the inability for the media group to keep perspective on what we're watching Is what like is what made it not fun for me to watch this? Otherwise, I might think that's kind of compelling TV to watch somebody struggle, but knowing how much it was blown out of proportion and Augusta, this would have been like twice as bad, I think.

Cause if people are so quick to crowd him, they were so quick to crowd him. Crown is it! To this green would have never let this happen. I missed any green. Oh, God. But I mean, he does a really good job, I think, for the most part of understanding the macro,

what we all kind of have to focus on the micro. Like, if you think about it, the fact that Jordan's contended in a lot of meters and one, two prior to this is already remarkable. Like that he, I kind of wrote something that, even if he didn't get it done, the way that he's kind of looked at it is he's put himself in the mix like again and again, even this year when he didn't have his game and Augusta, he put himself in the mix going in the Sunday and then he was just, his tank was on empty.

And so that's kind of what you want to do. That's what Tiger always said is a golfer. Like I'm not going to win them all, but I'm going to put myself in the mix enough times that I'm on with win lot of them. And obviously that's what Nicholas did, like when he went 13 years with never finishing outside of the top five or six of the very open. So I think that's kind of the way that Jordan is able to understand it. If you're covering golf on a week to week and major to major basis, you have to kind

of write about what's going on. And he does absorb some of that. He'll admit that he felt like the pressure was a much greater, obviously, when he won a couple of majors. The responsibility is much greater. You just can't really predict it. You cannot understand what it's going to be like until you win a couple of majors and then everyone wants a huge piece of your time. Everyone has huge expectations for you. We're like blogging every single round or commenting on every single round that any of these guys make. If you think about like back when,

even when Tiger existed almost entirely before the Twitter era, the Tiger had a bad round in 2000. Like we're just different writers who are writing about it, but like it wasn't like all news bulletin alert every day. And for a shoot like 78 where the takes are just dripping from the ceiling before you get off the court. It's not an inappropriate shoot 30 on the front nine Twitter's golf Twitter is melting down so this is the environment that these guys live in now that's much different than what you know and so you have to constantly remind yourself like I'm on the right path and put myself in the mix I'm good like I you know a little blips here and there fine and

You know what it's just we have a sort of a running thing about Can Jordan get to like fills this number wins or can I get 40 wins whatever which is it served? It sounds insane absurd. It sounds insane. Yes, what it's 28 away His 18, oh no, it's very 12, no. Yeah, 28 away. So that's, take it to 40, it's 12 wins now. Okay, and he's 23. Two more a year for 10 years.

That's what Porter's thing was. That's totally a deal. Totally a deal, all right? Yeah, so that's 20. Yeah. Then you just gotta wonder if two more. I think, I really think that Porter's take, our buddy cop Porter, is right.

People listen to this, no, Porter. He's done more than I think even Tron that the Porter's take our buddy cop Porter is right people that people listen to this no He's done more than I think even Tron has been on this All right, so let's let's go back to this afternoon Tough start I didn't have anything to say on the front nine because Speed had a tight sphincter and so did I on Twitter like I didn't't even have what I have to have my takes. Cause like I thought he was gonna win, but I was I was panicking and I was like, I don't want to live in this universe of takes. If he doesn't close this 13 happens

and he goes full surrender cobra from the tea and hits it way right. And what what did you do from there? I was stuck watching on TV. I gave up trying to get the viewpoint. We'll talk about Burk down a little bit, but it was kind of crazy. I wanted to kind of double check with what was going on

with our crew inside after nine, easy way to get back in the media center. So as that was, I was gonna go back out and I saw him hit the T-shot way right on 13. And I was like, well, I could run right out there. It's not that far, but I really need to figure, I kind of watch this on TV, because I think to understand what was going on, TV was much better than being on the

ground where like everyone was really confused. Like, was he going to have to take a penalty drop? Was he going to get a free drop because of the camera wire that was an obstruction, you know, there? And that's what seeing that surrender cover, like, I thought, oh my God, that's the picture that everyone's going to remember. Is him just hands on his head. It was genuine disbelief though. He like, double, double like, he hesitated as he reached for his head. Like, did I seriously hit it this far right? And I thought he lost the ball for a little while.

But, and I'm watching it on, it wasn't even, it was some feed, it wasn't even, I don't even think it was technically a sky. Trying to figure out exactly what was going on and we didn't know, I mean, the whole lounge was just a buzz of people talking about what's going on and I'm trying to explain to people. I think he's hitting three.

He's dropping in the middle of these trucks and I think everyone's truck got a little bit of screen time on that and of course, the image shot is the titleless truck with the titleless flag as he's hitting the shot from the range literally the best product play accidental product placement and since Tigers the Nike Swing comes up on the money chips in on 16 like you could not time of shot that turns out better for your brand ashtag brand well because he went on to win while he's standing next to the title

I made a joke I was like this is not going to be the next title is ad but sure now he went on to win. While he's standing next to the title, I was told, I made a joke. I was like, this is not going to be the next title. Let's add, but sure enough, he goes on to win it. But I thought there was a moment, literally, when he was going to say, it was going to reach such high comedy that he was going to say, well, can we move the truck? And that someone was going to have to run. I thought to get the outshinette keys. We were going to be there backing up the truck

so that he could have a gap between, it would take the tiger lifting the rock. Yeah Two new levels of insanity. It was surreal. I mean I do not he had to feel surreal to be on the driving range In the middle of a major championship. I was out there practicing He was practicing out there in Jordan's in the middle of the range hitting a shot. I mean I know there's some controversy like how is that in play? I think I heard the rules officials say something like we to be honest we just work anticipating a player playing from there. I love Kyle's tweet about the if the USJ had just been like, like, this day, we were like,

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he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, He could have, he didn't think his way through it properly. You would have just taken him on playable and dropped right there in the heather and then he's punching out in the fairway. He's making double. He said something really interesting. He said, if I was a straight driver, like, dropped my career, I would have made a watch worse hole on that, a much worse score on that hole. Interesting. Because I've been hitting it all over the map, I know like what the rules are, like really well, and I know like where I can take the ball back. And so in his mind, he's like, well, if the driving engines in play, that's where I'm going to, I'm going to go back there and I'm going to rip the three wood. And

Grell is like, dude, it's 230. And he runs like, no, no, it's 260. And he's like, bro, trust me, it's 230, it's three iron. And so they were still like Jordan in his mind is thinking like, at that point, I'm going to hit three three at three wood up on the grain and make a par Well, I it's gonna sound weird and maybe it won't sound weird But I think that helped him I think all of that helps him he was at that point He wasn't trying to protect a lead anymore. He's like all right Scrap everything. It's time to like play without nerves And I don't know how you get to that conclusion.

Maybe that time is what he needed. Do you think that like 20 minutes, and I go, we were 13 minutes in this already, and we haven't even talked about Coocher yet? Do you think that time that took to do that had an effect on Coocher at all? I think it was fair. Do you think there was any slow play, blowback?

I've heard a couple rumblings on it, but I just, I want to be your perspective on that. You know, it would be impossible for it not to affect him a little bit. Thankfully, I think Kooch is one of the nicest guys on Earth. Like Jordan repeatedly apologized for sort of how long it took. What are you doing that situation? You can't sit there as a rules official, I don't think, and say like, we're going to

assess your one-shot penalty. You know, you're bringing the rules people over saying what am I entitled to? That's kind of what makes golf unique is that the importance in the moment, if the player understands the rules, that he is entitled to certain things. And as long as you have the rules official there telling you like, alright let's discuss your options, then you're essentially pushing pause on it. And so I don't know that it really let him calm down. I think when he made that bogey putt, then he was like, all right, heck with it.

Like, I'm on down. I'm on, man. It was good on. And, you know, then he almost aces. Almost aces. So it was, so I already I ran, he tweeted, like he's copying the Sergio playbook. And he almost did messed up 13.

I don't remember Sergio birdie 14, but Eagle on 15, same exact thing. And don't remember the full sequence, but then he went on to win after that. I mean, so that just shows you like a bug off. Like don't think that you're out of it. And really, you know, you can, I didn't think he was out of it when he,

I thought, he probably felt the same. I felt better once he went down one. And like, I was jokingly freaking out about on Twitter when he walked in the bogey putt. But that was the most confident he looked all that. He walked in that bogey, grabbed out the cup, and I was like, all right, I think he actually still has this. And we almost age 14, I felt, obviously,

really good about it. Coach deserves some love, though, for the day. Oh, Coach played fantastic. He played really well, and to just, to be classy. I mean, imagine though. Oh, Coach, he played fantastic. He played really well. And to just, to be classy, I mean, imagine if that was, you know, imagine if they weren't the last group. Yeah. That would have been it. If there's like four groups backed up on that tee, imagine the, I mean, he could have affected eight people. And maybe it would have gone faster if they weren't the last group. Imagine though if it was somebody who was

surly and treated not have a good relationship with and was really like uncomfortable in that sense, like I'm trying to think of with and it was really like uncomfortable in that sense like I'm trying to think of like who would have been really upset in that moment. Well I think I don't and probably isn't that the criteria you said but imagine it's Rory. So go back to like the masters when they were paired together. I think from watching on TV and we kind of see that Rory was maybe getting a little bit perturbed at the press of play. Effective play. Yeah, imagine that happens. Learn to play quick. Yeah, thank you.

And in their defense, they finished, I think with that 20 minute incident, they played it like four hours and 12 minutes or something like that, which for a two ball is not fast. But it wasn't, I don't know, I hate the last group people talking about slow play penalties. That's the last thing they should be worried about. But that was just surreal to watch unfold. Like he's in the walking in the middle of equipment trucks

and just kind of escalated one by one. Like what is he doing here? They went to the top of the hill. And then he's shouting to growler like give me a round number for yardage and moving people out of the way and people gathering around him on the range to hit a shot and making a pretty darn good bogey after it. And then birding 15, which was surreal. And then I think we can shut down the saucies for the year. Yeah. Eagle putt.

Go get it. Go get it from all of it. Go get it. Go get it. He was mad. He just looked around shocked. Go get it. Almost like in my head, and this doesn't have to be true.

It's not true, I'm sure. it was like they disagreed on the line and speak like I'm hitting it on my line then he hit it in so go get it afterwards that if he could do it over he would have done again he would have like yelled and fist pumped or something yeah no but that what he was actually thinking is that all when you come to the open chain chip like in the players line just locker-moving whatever they're always showing like old footage of like old opens got it right and I guess back in the day Like I don't know what like exactly was talking about with those the 50s or whatever that guys would make pots And they would point to their caddies and say go get it and so in the moment

Really he was almost like sort of like this is gonna be on the TV. Yeah Which is just hilarious. I mean, I was standing there when he made the putt at 16 chambers of the curling putt that sort of gave him the lead after Grace hit it on the train tracks. And he sort of turned to the sound, the huge sound there and just screamed.

And that was like one of the coolest moments I've ever had as a journalist. I think that this one tops that, just because... What was the crowd noise like? It was just erupted. I only think people, it was so surreal for that moment that it went in, and that he was, you know, sort of pointing it, it was crazy.

And then the fact that like he said that he was like, well, on the next hole I thought, these are gonna go in from anywhere, so just hit it in the middle of the green and you probably make it. And then he did. How do you go from that loss to that dialed in, legitimately like in three holes? The most honest statement I think about how other players feel about Jordan is Rory saying a few years ago, when they played together with the masters, that Rory had played fine, he didn't make a birdie, but it was like a really tough day and Jordan was slapping

it all over or whatever. And we're really looked at the scoreboard at one point and then looked over at JP and said, how the hell is he three under? And that's just how Jordan kind of does it. Even on the days when he's a mess, he somehow learned to sort of make binds. I'm not sure if you guys have heard or not,

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and progression as a play. I don't know, I've never been more confident in him than I was this week, to be honest. I mean, that 65 was extremely predictable. And I've gotta give a big shout out to Tron, was when we were out here in March, I swear we were on the second hole of Berkdale. And he's like, this place is just speedy.

Like it just has speed, written all over it. And I kind of, I think I just gravitated towards that because I've had him pointing it out that quickly. And it was just a perfect golf course for him. And, but I don't know, he was in such control of his ball striking. And then when we've talked about this and there's been takes on this and you've written about it,

but about how people think he's just a lucky player or a really good putter, but he's never struck the ball better. And he's not the most accurate driver. He's good off the sea. People give him a hard time and he's not the longest, whatever. But with his irons, there's really no one better. And for three days, he put the ball in the right place almost every single time. And this is a, I know the course wasn't the most tough

setup, but if you get on the wrong side of some of these pins, if you go on the wrong side of some of these fairways, if you get in the wrong fairway bunkers, if you get going on the wrong line at the wrong distance, you know, you could, you know, you could be hitting three wood to avoid this bunker, but if you go offline, a little bit, it's rolling out into the Southern bunker. Like, that's bogie so fast. And again, watching those leaders that are going to be on TV the most, these are the guys that are avoiding the bunkers the most, leaving it in the right spots the most. You're forgetting about all the guys that are getting tripped up. Rory got started out five over through six, because he was just out of position

and you fall behind on this course as you're done. So the amount of tactical precision that went into the way he dissected the course, when his game was in order, he was a little just shaky, the first nine to, I guess, 13 holes today. But I just have so much respect for the way he golfed his ball around that golf course.

He wrote a little bit of some after his 65. I think he's the best person, certainly of his generation, but maybe one of the best ever at combining the art and the math that's required to golf. He can think in terms of angles, and then he can tell his brain, the touch required on this is this. He can really judge the wind better than I think most players. That's why when the wind is up at Augusta, he's still fine and he can hit off side hill lies

almost better than anyone in golf because he just knows like, all right, if I do this, the ball's gonna move five feet right and the wind is coming off four miles an hour here and so I need to really kind of commit and pull the swing and then the sort of delicate kind of paintbrush touch that he has in the greens. Like all of that kind of overcomes every whatever physical disadvantage he has. Not every time certainly but like a lot of times

with Roaring, with Brooks and with DJ like he's going to win as many times as more of those because those kind of courses like they may not exist like everywhere but there's enough of them that he's gonna be able to sort of pick him apart. And that's the thing is I feel like I've been I'm a bit lazy when it comes to the guys that really wow me right like the Rory DJ guys the guys that you hit it so far I go with the wrong approach I start thinking how does somebody like Soren Kelsen compete with these guys? And the more you follow it more closely for you. Well, yeah, it is, but more you follow it more closely. It's like maybe Kelsen is like better skilled than somebody like DJ.

I don't mean that literally don't take that that quote literally, but in that it's about it's getting getting the ball in the best position after two shots or on par three's after one shot That's the you can be the best driver of it But that doesn't mean you're getting the ball super close to the whole leaving it in the right spots And these courses that don't require you to vomit. I mean there's some corners You can cut it burktale But you don't need to cut a lot of them that there's no one you'd rather have than a really strong like mid-iron player And it doesn't mean again like sticking a ton of shots and it's stuck plenty of them, but it's

confined, if the pin is tucked back left or the bunker short left, you just cannot miss left. And he didn't for the major course of this entire tournament. I think golf is more fun as a whole when it's not just driver-wet. I think we agree with that. Driver-wet is kind of awesome, but the equipment makes it so now that a lot of guys can hit driver wedge. And so when a course requires you to sort of hit three

iron, cut seven iron, or rope hook around the corner, four iron to the middle of green, like those are kind of fun thinking holes. Like we've played a little bit of golf, and we've been over here. And this sort of way that you have to kind of adjust your brain a little bit. You don't want to wedge in. Right, you may have off some of these turf, you might want the ball coming in lower to get out of the wind.

I don't think it's necessarily advantage to hit wedges to something. Can I say, I think that actually helped Roy. I like this take a lot. He, in a course where he took wedges out of his hands, and he's as good of a mid-iron player, I think, as anyone in golf. But he hits so many wedges that he's not as good of a wedge player as Beath or as some of the other guys.

For whatever reason, I don't know whether it's contact or don't know whether it's just practice or it's, you can't judge the distance right, but when you put seven iron in everyone's hands, yeah, take for real. He really didn't play, he played off all the first five holes and he finished fourth, you know? So if he doesn't go down like that early,

like, I mean, that's what happens. I mean, do you think that this is, I don't know, transition too fast from speed, but is this week represented pretty good progress for Roy? I think so. I mean, I'm a voyeurologist. That's no secret. Anyone listens to this podcast.

But I just don't get overly alarmed at A, what do you finish? Fifth, fourth? Fourth, fifth. But again, three people beat him this week. I know that he was not close to winning the tournament, but there's something to that. And there really is.

And that there's three people on the planet. This is open championship so everyone can technically qualify for it and all that and the three humans beat him It's like no, I'm not gonna freak out about what's he is he probably happened with the week probably not But I think he at least caught a glimpse of what he's He when he figures it out and he's gonna figure it out It won't it won't be a permanent figure out because he just doesn't have that kind of player. Who is really? But he is, especially. He's going to go on another hot heater and he's going to be like, what's up?

You know, I'm not okay. I think that's what's going to be sort of fun. If you can catch a moment when he and Spith are both have their games really tight, that's when it's going to be really fun because that's what we've been wanting for three and a half years. Quail Hollow, I'll tell you, he doesn't have any excuse. That's for sure. I mean, it's it should it should happen at Quail Hollow. And I'm not saying he should win. I'm just saying he needs to show up. He needs to not come out five over through six or whatever. He's comfortable with every T-shot there. He's so bad.

They've changed the course a little bit. We'll talk about PGA. We don't even get too much PGA. But no, I think there's tons of good signs of the Rory. And talking to him, the fact that there is not an alarm at all, and he really feels close, and he thought he was going to win things. He's going to win one next two majors, meaning this open or the PGA. So I think he's quite confident that he's

going to win the PGA. I think I've taken overall positive this week for Rory. I know there were two steps forward, one step back for the most part. That's kind of been the theme for him for this year. But it's close enough. He just dug himself a hole too much too early on. But after that, I think from the last last 63 holes he had to be the lowest guy in the tournament. Probably. I would think so. It's be finished 10 or 11? 12 I think.

12. So for it was 5 over and they ended up 5 under. Be pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, something there. Again, I just I just jotted down. I to point out to speed almost days 14, eagle 15, birdied 16, birdied 17. The only putt he missed in the last six holes was his lag on 18. I guess, just a remarkable, remarkable finish.

And we've not talking about Kutcher and how well he played. I think people lumped me too much in with Tron on hating on Kutcher, like I make fun of Kuture just because he's I think is a goofball and easy to make fun of. But I've been a huge defender of his game for a long, long time. I've still I stay in up to Tron in that you know I know he gets a wrap for not winning enough compared to how much he finishes top 10 etc. I've just always argued that a ton of finishes in the top 10 are a good thing and yeah he's not I don't know this was probably his best major performance. I think today. Yeah, I mean He played good enough to win. He played was in contention the masters in the back nine one year and I think kind of a couple of

Looshots, but I think he's gotten a lot out of like his game I mean, he's such a big guy that I'm surprised that he doesn't hit it farther But I think like he kind of lost his swing maybe trying to hit it farther Can you reinvent it itself into this kind of bunch of version and he drives trouble with fades and stuff? I mean, you know, he gets it done with what he does, and he does it well. I think that I like Coach just because he kind of puts on

this like aw, shucks sort of demeanor, but he's really a big like smart ass and pride. Oh yeah, he's really gives it back. he's well he can he can get at Michelson or he can get at Tiger in ways that almost nobody else can and I do think it helped Jordan to play with Coach today you know in a way that he's played on Ryder Cup teams play on Presence Cup teams but friendly with him but I felt huge him. And he his family showed up at the like they were off 18th green. He didn't know they were there. And so he was like really kind of fighting back. Tears a little bit of ice as all the sun was crying. And gosh, I mean, like I was getting

teared up thinking about as a dad, like what that would be like to have your kids all of a sudden be there. You know, that's not an easy trip. I don't know how to do that. It just zoomed over from Colorado. I'm not sure what it was. Why, you know, exactly. I mean, I also thought, well, if he wins, we might go on a happy day there. Even if he doesn't win, we should be there for him.

But it shows you how hard it is to kind of, we always focus on the winners. I kind of like stories sometimes about people who feel devastated by it because I walked in locker I'm sort of just looking to see if there's any guys there to talk about spieth and And coaches caddies there just with his hands in his face just feeling like just crushed He was doing all I think caddies I forget the cad's name John Wood. Yeah, he was he and coach are walking up 14 Okay, after the crazy mess that, during one on.

And they're walking up 15, and I'm walking with them essentially like five feet behind them. And what do you get them to talk about his travel plans for the Bridgestone? Like he's tied for major championship, right? Five whole footers. And he's like, so yeah, he's got the same house in the Bridgestone whenever, and he's like, yeah, and he's like, oh yeah, that's what I'm house and the bridge bridge down whatever and and cuts like yeah

And what it's like, oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying with you, right? Like a he's like trying to keep him loose Kind of keep it light. It was like such a sort of like I like that I don't know. Yeah, you've been on Bacon's pot. He's really good. I think that's a spoken guy is and the fact that coach is kind of cool That I there was a moment early on when Jordan was super tight I think it was like I was falling with him three holes So he's bogeed two the first three, and they're walking up the short one, and he was five, around the goes,

and he's like, yeah, I'll go like, right? And Coach starts like talking to him and just joking with him, whatever. And they hadn't really talked much whatever, and I was like, you know, Coach initiated it. And I was like, well, that's pretty cool of Coach to do. Like he can sort of sense like Jordan's all over the place.

Like, you know, why not just like, we've have a friendly normal conversation with him, even though like, you know, if you gave him the ice cold stare, like Tiger used to do to people, Jordan might get even more sort of anxious there. And maybe like he just is a little bit able to sort of, you know, pooch is too nice, too nice. Imagine somebody, that's gonna be somebody's column.

I don't know. Imagine Tiger was standing in that 13th fairway while Phil was off making 21 minutes over on the driving age. That was such a Phil thing to be a Jordan to do. Except for mostly Phil kind of continued to screw those things up. Yeah, and that was the end for Phil when that happened. One thing I noted, not to get into back to Rory, I followed him for a decent amount of

like the first three days. First of all, the viewing was a bit tough in Berkdale. You had a lot better access than I had. I wasn't able to get inside the ropes. The excitement level of the British fans for Rory is, it's crazy. It's amazing to watch. That's why I wanted to continue to watch,

even though I couldn't see much golf, to soak up that vibe. Because the passion in which the people cheer for him, it's not like, come on, Rory, it's like, come on, Rory, lad, come on, man, like they just really get into it and they're honestly trying to root him on it. But come, it's just, I don't know, it's really cool.

I don't think there's anyone else in the game playing today that would get those fans as excited as he did. And it was, it was crazy. It's bigger than it is in the US, today that would get those fans as excited as he did. And it was, it was crazy. It's bigger than it is in the US, but I'll say when the US, like people get, like people love they love that. Yeah, they do. Sort of feeling too. I don't know what it is about Rory, you know, is that French then like zoom as a quad? It's like the undescribable sort of something you can't quite like put in terms and like, Rory has that or whatever.

It's this something about when he goes on a birdie run, it's so much more exciting than a Jason Day birdie run. It just is. I don't know what is that. I don't even think it's us who feel that way. It's everyone who feels that way. It's when you're in the crowd, people just go nuts. I joke that when he moves on a birdie run, it feels significant.

It feels historically significant. People thought I was making fun of other people. Now, I'm making fun of myself. Like, every, he makes three birdies. Like, it is, Porter had like the best tweet of the week and then he deleted it for some reason. It was just Elmo. It is soaking up.

Oh, it's a birdie! It's a birdie! But that's the feeling that he can. Like, that excitement. Well, one of these times he's gonna go on one of those runs and win one of these things, like from behind. It will happen. I think we all just kind of keep banking on it

or waiting thinking that it's gonna happen. That's how I think he'll win the Masters. Yeah, so start the day, four back, and no one will really expect it. And he'll throw a 64 out there that just absolutely like, the guys in behind him sort of start to melt. What's funny is he's never really had a charge

from behind to win one yet. I never count him out. Like even we were joking in our chat today. Like a couple scoring violations here. He could be back in this. He could just go, we guys always just joke about it with Tiger. Tiger is just supposed to 54 in a while. He's really in this.

Uh, that was, but yeah, getting around Berkdale was a bit tough. I mean, I love being a part of the Open Championship vibe and I would try to get there, you know, Saturday, Sunday. Early enough to go out and at least watch some holes, but I spent my time inside watching on TV just because I wanted to be able to understand what's going on in the tournament. There's enough good excitement going on that I hated being that guy, but unless you're able to walk really close to it, man, there were just so many people out there. That's not really a knock on Burke. It's actually probably one of the better links courses for viewing, but they set it open

championship record for attendance this year. I mean, the crowds were just phenomenal. There's such a fun group to be a part of too. Very few Baba Booies and very few dumb stuff that gets yelled. And just that whole vibe, I don't know. I got watched the OpenChip chips so much as a kid and just the sound of the applause on TV always sounded different and like the way they applause for that plot for lagputs

and everything is just, it's awesome to soak up. But again, for golf viewing, not the best, bro. I was trying to think, what are my favorite British open venues? And I think that this one one it would certainly be up there Like just in terms of total like a number of golfers that can compete here the number of great players who've won here I kind of you know What's up board isn't like ladies and like St Andrews in terms of like it's all one little intimate town where you're bumping into players But it's pretty great like we can go and get food at 10 o'clock at night and we can go wander around

Have a drink at the pub. It's not like sandwich or whatever, it's in Georgia where you're ways away. Or honestly, where there's nothing there. Like, you know, in terms of like, what are my top three open venues? I just want to like sneak in. And first and foremost, the most important,

and that's for like experiences of all, but the golf course itself is just, it's like a perfect links course. It's so good. I know that people were kind experiences, but the golf course itself is just it's it's like a perfect links course. It's so good. I know that people were kind of repping on the setup for Brandon Grace shooting 62 and the easiness, but the RNA for all their flaws, they do a great job at letting the conditions dictate the scoring. I mean eight guys, so they set up a golf course essentially for a week, right? You're not you can change it day to day, but you're not like making a course significantly tougher day to day, but you're not like making a course

significantly tougher day to day. Eight guys broke power on Friday, and then somebody shot a 62 Saturday. That's due to a different in conditions. That's a different win, sunlight, rain, all that stuff. And you can't, you can't set up a course to be harder than they did, because if it gets hard, I mean, Friday was hard, but not like,

it's horrifically hard, but if it gets harder than that, it turns into, you know,, car news deal, you know, 99 and even 07, where the scores are plus six, and I just don't think that makes for a great, great tournament. So, you know, seeing a plus five, whatever, what powder you want to think a plus four, plus like a lower par, like, you know, we've talked a lot about par is kind of relative,

but like, I don't mind seeing guys being able to make move. Like it's kind of fun to see guys get back in it if they're not necessarily like, that's what makes the bridge home. You, you, you slog your way through the tough days and then all of a sudden you have a chance you're still in it. Yeah.

By the way, total strokes for this year's I've reached up in the winter, 268, 267, 272 for the US Open. So, speed, all the, after all the complaining about how the US Open was the speed of all after all the Complaining about how the US open was too easy like but it's par you got to think about par remember how important part is No, I thought I thought overall the golf course was a really really really really good I thought the rough maybe could have been a little bit more punishing. Yeah, I thought guys weren't And it was pretty well graduated. And if you're just off the fairway,

I just didn't think there was really any punishment there. Because again, sometimes it's beneficial to, if you're into the wind to be able to hit a ball out of the rough and get it kind of under the wind, and get a flyer, just getting not spinning as much. But there just wasn't that fear of missing fairways. Now, if you miss badly, there were some, obviously some higher stuff, but you get, the ropes are pretty close. So if you miss badly there were some obviously some higher stuff but

you get the ropes are pretty close so if you get it outside the ropes stuff's pretty trampled down it's just not that punishing. So there was really not a premium on driving the ball accurately this week which I'm generally okay with because there's enough strategy that comes with missing the even if you're missing the fairway, missing the right places, having the right angle to get to certain pins that it was still a really good good set up and challenge. So, maybe a little bit higher rough would have been a little bit better. I like golf courses that, links courses that you can find your ball in the Heather, but it's just you can't go and hit a four iron out of it here. And I thought it was maybe a little bit too easy out of some of that rough, but that's probably my only criticism,

criticism of it. I have the pins were in really fun, good places where some of the part three's today, they put them right on top of bunkers that I fell victim to when I played out here in March and saw that you just, you learn the lessons that stick in your mind, like you can't fall for some of these pins. And it's a great test to the players,

if you need to make a charge, but you need to learn to dial back from those pins that, even if you're hot, this is a power hole, not a birdie hole and stuff. So, super impressive, Berkdale. Yeah, I would love to play here someday, just a beautiful kind of the way that a certain kind of golf was birthed into the world. It just seems like it was a fair test. If one day it's really hard and one day it's easy, that's okay.

You just have to sort of judge it based on that. And no one got that bad of a draw either. I mean, I know the draw was really fair. Yeah, it was, that's a pretty rare for an open. I know that the Friday afternoon group got rain, which is affects some people more than others. And like, I can't, I don't understand how they grip the club in the rain. I really don't understand it and but and it doesn't seem to even affect them whereas some guys

looked a little bit lost once the rain came but I thought like I think it was yesterday or maybe it was today walking through and Greller handed like a fan like a dirty towel and the fan kind of looked at it and was like oh a dirty towel thank you it's like girl that he's like doing a cool thing is like his friends are like oh good one John you have a dirty towel but you put that in your mantle oh people here are so nice this This is such a nice story. Here's a great story that I thought was like I was walking with, I think it was speed yesterday and we're walking up the ferry.

You know, the ferry is the, who can be inside the rope is very tightly controlled. Like they are, if you're not, don't have a green pass. Like reality. Yeah. Rub in my face. So, and a kid is walking me in a teenager and I started looking at him and I didn't think of anything of it. And the martial looks at him and he goes, you know, where's your pass?

And the kid's like, oh, you know, I don't have it. It's, it's, and he's like, come on. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry. And he kid like, jogs back and the guy's like, ah. And I was like, wow, like, he snuck onto the course. Like, that's crazy. Like, you know, if that happened to the US Open, they would not drag the person out of the parking lot for the mangas and the Marshall guy was like yeah it's a bit spoolsing. He's fine. He admitted it right there. Watch it. So it's

no good thing. No big deal. I was like these are amazing. They're so much fun. I will say it's critical that was it. Some of the viewing, the logistics of that championship amazed me. The tunnels that they make and the pads and the pavilions and this, it's a more of an social experience there than it is up here viewing. Unless you want to sit in a grandstand and watch every player come through, which is kind of tradition there, I think. Just not designed for you to follow up with guys and that's what I like to do. But just overall, if you go, I mean it's such a long day of golf you can go

There's little put put they had a cool put put thing where they had little miniature versions of all kinds of different links holes I got miniature road hole that you had to kind of put around it. I was cool I would say that I've been to like 10 majors now and In terms of like if there was a day that you and I walked with worry to we didn't have broke credentials and we We were still able to see stuff I think we were able to kind of move around and anticipate enough like okay We can see for the most part. I've been to I mean at chambers You know everyone ripped chambers, but part of the reason was is you could not see anything

Yeah, if you were walking around like you had to just basically sit there and a lot of times you'd be looking into a mount And so at least you know some of these you know older courses like you can actually see stuff at the master's what made Brother makes a master's experience great no one's inside the ropes So everyone's kind of at the mercy of it and there's only whatever 80,000 people or something and be in there and so there's always a little bit of a viewing unless you'd want to be right on 12 you could always kind of see part of the whole of the shot. And that's what makes it cool. And I think there was some enough of that. There wasn't amazing, but you know, it's a course that's 150 years old. I know for us being here, and a lot of people are asking you what I thought of bones as per first performance, we are a

getting sky sports when we are watching on TV and not even getting that much sky sports. So we didn't get to hear Johnny Sports so we didn't get to hear Johnny's takes didn't get to hear we read about him all over Twitter. Her bones was great. I did hear some of it. Some of it was you sure heard some of it with it. Some people were critical. Yeah, so somebody for golf week being critical and I've heard people before you even picked up a mic some people criticizing that he wouldn't be good. So I listened to for about an hour on Friday maybe, and he seemed really smooth.

Like he just seemed to like be able to kind of give pretty good insight into it. So, you know. And it's first time, like he's gonna get, gonna get better at telling stories live on there, getting the rhythm down and everything. I saw him in the production trailer, and it just, it looked totally weird

to see him like as a media person, and out like carrying like camera stuff or like audio stuff and so carrying the bag. I don't know how weird it'd have been if Phil had been in contentia. And he was sitting there talking about just like trying to like guy. It would have been funny if like it Phil just put a driver back in the bag this week just just to drive bones nuts like I think I'm gonna drive her. What do you think?

Driver on all these holes. He's like crawling over people, don't do it. We were talking about this last night. When Phil is like 55 or something, or when he's 60 and he has to make his last master's a performance, as long as his bones is knee is hold up, don't you think they get more?

Oh, look at that. I want to go walk. That doubt it. Everyone's asked me, what's the real scoop on bones, Phil? I have asked every single person I know in the industry and everyone's reactions the same is like, they'll qualify it like,

I really do just think it's just the end of the road. And I think I have no reason to think otherwise. I feel like 25 years is the exception to the rule. There doesn't need to be some big incident that causes the end. It maybe is just it's time. There's a reason caddy player relationships don't last 25 years. It's a long time to spend with somebody. I wonder, no speaking of that, is our growler in speed the new film bone? So are they gonna do be doing this for 25

years? Oh, I meant to say I meant to I made note. The trailer was amazing. Yeah. So as much people get on speed for saying we a lot. Yeah. What was on the 72nd green on the 18th green giving this presentation. I forget exactly what he said. I think it was something along the lines of. This is half as much as mine as yours as it is yours. Yeah. So everything everyone says we and people are like, Oh, when things go bad, he says we and then then he says, I, it's like, no.

That guy, he gave Greller credit immediately. And I really do think that as much like you said, Greller was being like, getting his ass in shape. I don't know if you did, you didn't get to see the press conference after a long time. So he said that on, I wanna say, 70, that you know, earlier in the week, Jordan had tweeted out at a picture of like,

hey, I'm in Cabo with Michael Felt, and Michael Jordan or whatever, I don't know if it was earlier than the week earlier in the week Jordan had tweeted out at a picture of like, Hey, I'm in Cabo with Michael Feldman, Michael Jordan or whatever, I don't know, was earlier there the week earlier in the like month or something. So, Greller said to him, I need to talk to you for a second, you know, he's imploding. You know, it's like he's made all his bogeys, he's lost his lead, he's like talking himself, he's angry, and, and Greller says, I need to talk to you for a second. You know that picture, remember that picture that he tweeted out? You deserve to be in that picture. You are among the people. He said this to him today. Oh, in during around on seventh T. He said, you deserve to be in that picture. I need

you to to remember that. I need you to start understanding that and go play like it. And Jordan said as he was standing over putts like on eight and like ten like short putts that he was nervy or whatever that he kept thinking that. He kept thinking, okay, you know, Mike's right. Like I, I can, I was fascinating. He was like, I'm not, he said, I'm Michael Phelps and Michael Jordan are the greatest players to ever do what they did. And Jordan was very clear, he's like, I'm not that. He said, but if you have enough belief in yourself, you can kind of like trick yourself into doing it. And so in like a total chaotic madness of a moment, Greller earned every nickel of whatever percentage that he gets because

I think speed, you know, heat a shot, 78 today, if Greller had not been able to sort of be there. And that's what makes that work. And that's why I think Jordan really says we, I don't think it's like a, you know, I want to deflect credit. Well, you know, it's, it's that he genuinely believes, you know, and what's different from Tiger and that. Remember Tiger would say, he wouldn't, I don't take this type of Tiger would say, I, but like, the reason that he's relationship with Stevie got bad is because like he started to kind of blame Stevie once, you know, like on three Augusta that year, I was like, Steve thought it was a better play from download. You know, like I'm three and Augusta that year. I was like Steve thought it was a better player from down low, you know.

You know, you know. You know, you go. Never want to go that route. I thought, so let's go to Brandon Grace briefly. I know there's a Twitter debate because you can't handle anything. Nothing can happen without people getting upset about it in some way.

Brandon Grace is the first ever player to shoot 62 in a major championship. Yes, the course was set up easy, yes, it's par 70, et cetera. I made some Johnny Miller jokes, but poor math, I think, our friend poor math pointed out, just like, all right, I'm not, now I can't do any more Johnny Miller takes.

Let this 62 be the end of all of this Johnny Miller or salt this. I'm guilty of it too. I'm not above this, but, Satch oversaturated market. I said this as well on Twitter where, like, for a while, like Johnny became like our, sort of crazy wind up doll of like,

say something crazy, cranky old man, so that we can make a bunch of jokes about it. Like, and Johnny to some extent like, liked playing along, like he liked to say crazy things because he was like, happy people are gonna be dying about it But I think you're right like The parallels between like the Jeff Knox jokes and Johnny Miller jokes to me are pretty snippet like a good thing Can never just be like left alone like even I think we're both guilty of this you if there's a good joke

You can keep keep keep keep keep because and then a lot of people start making that joke. And so it needs to kind of like regress into like the background for a while. And then we can make Johnny Miller or Jeff Knox jokes for five years or so. But this one was kind of just like, I mean, his 63 wasn't even at the open. It was in the US open. There was a final round. It was a Sunday. No one, I don't know.

It's just a bit too much. If anyone shot 63, if you shot 63 in our local club championship, we'd be walking around like Vince McMahon. I do that when I shoot like 70s, right? Right. You know, and so I think Johnny has every ride to be really proud of that. And that's, but that's, I love him because he's so honest and he's right and what he said Yeah, of course it's that up easy, but it's funny to kind of make fun of because it sounds bitter. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know I I couldn't I wanted to area so much better because of John Oh without a doubt it's you know people dislike Johnny I love Johnny, but I love it mostly because he's very easy content and easy to make fun of. But he tells like he's right.

I have no problem with like Frank Noble or Noble, but they're like the polar opposite of like never saying anything that's particularly controversial. You see them like when Brandyl says something, Frank will make sure that's true. But you know, when when Brandyl says something that's kind of, you know, controversial takes the thing, they're kind of like, I think you're right. I would say that I'll comments about Frank but like no, it'll be like well Oh, no like no like your job is to give your opinion in those situations And if your opinion is that you don't have one then I'm not sure why I'm listening to you take golf world is so damn sensitive That's why and the people are hesitant to give their opinion I'm now guilty of it too and that if I make a passing comment about somebody

I'm gonna get a phone call from someone like hey you said this about my clients like this whole industry is just so sensitive about everything it puts it's it's really frustrating. You're a basketball player who plays for like the next and you like don't perform in a big game you will have to read in tabloids choke choke choke you absolutely choke you're a golfer and you like lose a three shot lead and you're so open, it's kind of like almost like verboten to call someone a choker. Like it feels like you're crossing a line there. That's not really like I like that though. I'm there. I just I do think there's a happy medium.

I would never sort of sit here and advocate for the tablet. Right. No, but I'm saying I think I think even in golf sometimes choke can get overused. Oh, absolutely. Like Jordan, 16 masters, that's choke. Sorry, I really hate to label anyone, I'm not calling him a choker, I'm just saying that was a choke.

Filler, wing foot. Not that bad of a choke. OK. I definitely don't think speed at 15 at St Andrews was a choke and that was a headline But I won't point but Fill a wink foot. I think he was he needed to make a par. I mean I Want to say that it's a miracle that he stood on the 72nd tee with that lead like it is yeah Hit two fairways in one of the hardest ruffs that we've ever seen.

Like it was what it was, I think the winning score was 4 over, 6 over or something like that. Like it was over par. Yeah. And so the fact that he could somehow scrape it around. And I think he essentially before that double was like gonna shoot par, like gonna shoot like 70 more, so many two. So he's always said that he shook him was the most unbelievable that it's ever been at that moment in his life. And that's why he was able to survive. And eventually the law of average just kind of caught up with them. Yeah. And if you get some different kick off the hospitality tent, he probably is able to get that for iron around the tree. Get it up around the green. If there was a

range, you could have dropped on that. That might have helped him. There you know when this open comes when the open comes back to work, Phil, in 10 years or so, that rage is gonna be over. There needs to be a plaque on that range. I wanted to ask that question. Literally, I raised my hand like five times. And one of the questions I was mulling in my head was, should we put a commemorative plaque on the range

where you hit that ball? It had been something if you got that up and down, like from there, I hit it on the green and I mean it was the The the turning point. I made a crack about how like that it was better than sevy's like birdie from the car park I said don't quite think it's true, but like to be honest you also said come at me Come at you better have been convinced that was true. I'm channeling my friend Shane Ryan in that sense Like Jenna try to hurt people. But, I mean, now, was that at St. Andrews, did you hit it right?

No, it was a rhythm. So now, I'm sure they don't park the cars right there. Like, you know, there's not a car park. You couldn't hit it into the car park now. It would just be a different thing. So, like, the idea that you could hit it in the range here and cross no one's mind. No, it's mine.

We didn't hit it in there, but you know, take a drop in the range. This terrible shows you know the rules. Like yeah, where you're allowed to take take a drop. I will say the sky watching golf on Sky Sports. It's just an absolute treat. It's incredible. It's incredible. How they flow from shot to shot in a way that you can't understand until you see it. You can't fathom that golf should be covered this way until you see it and I think NBC golf channel Do a good job overall, but I mean, I'll say it CBS is the absolute worst we know that but like NBC and golf channel looks so much better compared to CBS

But then you watch Sky Sports and it's like there's like no commercials basically They and I know they did play through commercials on NBC this year, which is a huge step in the right direction. Totally. But just the subtle commentary. And to a point though, I kind of miss, I feel like the NBC people do a great job of building the drama. And today, watching it didn't feel as dramatic as it was.

If I'm listening to Dan Hicks and Johnny Miller call it, like it just feels big. It feels good. And so I kind of missed that. I wish I would have got to see it. I hope I could just replay it in that regard. But man, getting to see Sky Sports is awesome. It's just, all the, all they do this thing with shading

on the green, like, well, they'll put the shade on it. So you can really see the brakes in it. And they do this, like, put tracker thing. Like, all right, if you take a firm line, this is put a shade on it. So you can really see the brakes in it, and they do this like putt tracker thing. Like all right, if you take a firm line, this is what you make it on. If you take a lag line, is what you make it on. And a lot of pro tracer,

and it's really good stuff, showing good wind graphics. And man, I'm gonna have a hard time giving that up. Can you buy it in the States? Can you buy a Sky Sports channel? I do not think so, although if Fox gets the Sky Sports merger that goes through, it wouldn't surprise me that if you could get a Sky Sports channel. I do not think so, although if Fox gets the Sky Sports merger that goes through, it wouldn't surprise me that if you

Get like Sky Sports streaming. This podcast is brought to you by Sky Sports Turned in Direct TV channel 490s. I think actually Fox being in the golf game might force CBS a little bit to kind of Come into the new era a little bit. I mean, I love how this this event couldn't be further from CBS We're on the other side of the pond. It's not on CBS and somehow I bring it back to see. Well, I mean, I love how this this event couldn't be further from CBS. We're on the other side of the pond It's not on CBS and somehow I bring it back to see well, I mean look We all love flow tracer and when I think the thing that's really was neat about the os open Was that you get portrays are from the middle of the fairway from the rescue like CBS might have protracer on two or three holes The whole thing and it cannot be that expensive to do. I'm sure it's expensive Yeah, but that's probably part

of what is required of a golf broadcast. They didn't use to put the shot clock on basketball games and the play clock for NFL. They didn't use to have a first down marker, like the red laser line, whatever. All those things kind of came into Vogue because other, like, because the SPN innovated a lot and some, you know, when Fox got they innovated whatever that's what I'd like to see see we as kind of get on board with they can't just rely on like tiger anymore like yeah I'm not gonna do it I'm with you is there anything we missed I had no I jotted down Austin Connolly and that we got a tip I mean get a lot of tips going in but there was someone that particularly told us this guy Austin Connolly at 500 to 1 is worth five bucks.

I kind of regretted not putting it on him. He didn't end up winning, but finished up. 10? I mean, you could have been a better, better top 10. Major shout out to that guy. I'm all in on that guy. That was impressive. He just gets, it looks like his clubs are oversized and he just gets up and wax it and

plays really quickly. How about camera recording, man? There's a coach, and I can teach her. Like, I know. The stock is, stock is rising daily. I got to give a shout out to Alex Noren, my boy. I've been really hard on his major record. People have bastardized that take and ruined it. Like I've exaggerated my take on that. But yeah, play better. He did. And he did. So, uh, shall it's Norn for the finish.

I don't see a big topic there at the end of the, your list there. What can we do to save Twitter is what I wrote down. To do another hour for the podcast. It's, I don't, I don't, I don't have, that question is for you. I don't have an answer to this. Like, it's an exit.

Today was so crazy that I enjoyed not being able to read mentions. Everything was happening too fast. I couldn't do it. For the most part, so I said something today about how, and I was talking to Charles Howell about this today, actually that Tiger numbed us to what greatness is. And it doesn't look like what Speed is doing is great. And the responses were, Speed is nowhere in the same category as Tyker. And I was like, how do we get there? I just don't, I know that people listening to this are the people that are the dumb people on Twitter, but I don't, it's trying to be away. I got a thing where I was like, I just mentioned the thing about, uh, kooch and his catdy talking about bridge stone, whatever.

It's like a, isn't this awesome? Like Kooch anecdote, they're talking about their job that's really going to waste time for Lee to make championship. And I got a thing that was like, also now we're policing what caddy should say to their players in the middle of the round. And I was like, this is literally the dumbest

response. Sometimes I'm impressed. I'm just impressed that people can think to take it in that direction. But I know it shouldn't matter But it just yeah, I don't know. I don't know the Trump ruins Dave Who's saying not good? Not good

There's the funniest thing about the funniest tweet I've read in this month that was like Twitter 2009 like wow, this is really cool like Like, Shaq is on here, any like responsive people. It was like, Twitter 2017. Wow, the insane presidents, like, crazy sun is like, live tweeting his treason. Like, it's just like Twitter is evolved. True will continue to evolve in ways that we can't possibly understand. But it does, it's not as fun in some ways as it used to be

because tone is sort of hard to convey. And look, we're just in golf, Twitter, like. Ah, now. Politics, Twitter, like, you know, economics, Twitter, NBA, Twitter, I mean, every sort of sport has their own niche. And, you know, NBA, Twitter thinks it's like the coolest Twitter or whatever. And, you know, I don't think we really either of us

really dive into that all. I don't know. I don't know. There's like a fight for being the cool, I don't know there's a cool title. I don't even think little, here's what happens. basketball Twitter doesn't even ignore the golf Twitter exists. That's how much they're lucky. basketball Twitter is in their own way. Yeah, we got sucked into this vortex. It's, I must honestly like though, it's always so fun when something crazy like this has to see all the creativity that some people show and like the cool things like you almost feel like if to go back though like an hour after these things are over and like suck it all in and chop and

laugh at the jokes whatever is like they can't all be the big moments when you just get 20 tweets and we're saying just nonsense I love them I'm sorry they're great I know everyone says the same thing but I love that part I just think it's so fun But just I don't even like think what I say just just type words usually all caps and just do it There are several of those moments today, so Man, I'm excited. I'm excited for speed. I think Three majors by the age of 23 is pretty damn special and I mean one again I've made the point maybe in every single episode of this podcast how people forget how many majors four majors is for Rory

Speed's got like 16 more majors till or something like that to get to Rory's age to get to four as well. I mean My take of speed-winning eight majors is not that crazy right now. I don't think it is we've always everyone's oh eight majors So much and it is. We've always everyone's so eight majors just so much and it is I also said five green Jack Well, I mean one I was giving him this year and then I was like I think he went three more So I think I just about say he'll win four masters five green Jacks a ton. That's a lot of Tigers only got four I Know that but I also in the same take gave Rory 10 majors. It was right after take gave Rory 10 majors. It was right after speed one the US open so they held all four and I thought they were gonna win like a lot of them. I still think Rory's gonna win air night majors.

I think I feel like that him being the best European of all time is very much in play. Yeah. It just depends on how long he wants to play. Like does he want to play at 45? Like I think his swing in this like the fitness is gonna mean that he still going to be able to hit it a long, long way. And you know, he just I don't know if he's going to be out there grinding it. I'm on the five. I know. But if Phil can compete for a British, but 46, I share the record certainly. I think so for PGA at 46.

It was sad to see Phil kind of bow out this year. Yeah. Just got knowing that what happened last year had some kind of effect on him, I think. Yeah, you have the, like one of the top five maybe major performances of all time and you don't win. It's got to just affect you in some way.

But is he, is he done? No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. No. Not at all. This was a year ago, he was giving us this unreal performance. I Just talked about tiger that

Careers in like NFL careers. This is my background rather before Kim McGolf and Gradually and then rapidly like you drop off a cliff and so it's not like that would call for Just not for the most part. We have tigers pulled into thinking that because but like you know already never won one after 34 Tiger number one one after 32. Which is crazy. It's so crazy. You never want to 32 Phil never won one before 33. So at that point. Yeah. Think about when we thought when DJ one at Oakmont he was older than Tiger was when he won a 3 really yeah that's my one of my favorite stats wow we thought that DJ's career was like just beginning like it was like

Oh DJ's finally excited and now he's got a ton of majors in him and Tiger at that point Tiger's major career was wow Hmm and all comes back to Tiger and always does Shit always should all right, you've got somebody. Love you, Cat. Come back. If you want to. Otherwise, take my vice and become a teacher. Go read my column. I'm letting you guys read my column.

Excellent work this week. Really enjoyed reading your writing. What's the word on on speed? You were kind of calling it. Like this is going to be kind of historic if he does this and I got a little tight in the middle around thinking Damn it awaits and somebody said me to eat it was like Jason civil chemat walk of rig need to ESPN need to stop anointing speed There's a lot of golf to be played and in the middle around I was like oh man that guy's right

And then the end I wanted to be like how this week work out for you man, huh? Are you feeling good about it? In the end my I get a food or six Separate when Kyle is tweeting Elmo gifts. Oh god Any on that I love it! What do you, what would, uh, did Mr. Player have anything to do? Did you see Mr. Player getting quite upset on Twitter this week? So, so, let me, let's explain. Okay, so, uh, go, uh, I'm gonna screw up the Twitter handle.

Uh, golf green jacket auctions or some green, uh, green jacket bids. Tweeted something about that now that tweeted something about that know that tweeted something about how the play the former champions were responsible for engraving their own name on it I used to love the like the Claire jog was awesome until Gary player one and made them in gravesth name twice as long He is getting the picture is Gary players name just huge and Gary player for sp for a spot. That's just not true, fake news! How dare you! I would never do such a thing. Oh, as always, we're gonna end on that. Kevin, thank you for an awesome week.

We're off to Liverpool tomorrow to play a little golf and then off to London for a few, if you guys haven't heard, I'll play a little golf. I'll be a golf, right? Congratulations Jordan Speed 2017 Open Championship winner. And we'll catch you guys again soon. Thank you sir. Okay.

Uh. Let's get the right club. Speed the right club today. Yes! Yes! That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

Better than most! Expect anything different?