No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 9: Shane Bacon, Ryder Cup

Episode Date: September 17, 2014

I was joined by Back9Network’s Shane Bacon to break down the FedEx Cup, Horschel’s triumph through the FedEx Cup, the Ryder Cup, major championships in general, and the media disaster over the Rory McIlroy comments at... The post NLU Podcast: Episode 9 (Shane Bacon, Ryder Cup) appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most! Alright, welcome back everybody to the No Layin Up Podcast. We have a guest, the expert of the third time. Formerly, the editor of Yahoo's Devil Ball Golf Vlog Now, the Back Nine Network. Shane, what is the new title? What's the new network? What is the new title? What is the new network? I hate to say this, but I think it's talent. We actually were laughing at that today.

We were laughing at that in the office today. Me and one of the co-hosts of one of the other shows somebody asked what the talent was doing. I just said, you know, talent. It's just terrible, terrible words. I said, you know, talent, it's just terrible, terrible words. I mean, you know, you don't, first, I mean, you're really setting yourself up for some disaster if talent's the word we're going with.

But I'm actually one of the co-host of a show that's gonna share, we go live on Direct TV, on channel 262, on September 29, which is the day right after the Ryder Cup happens on Sunday. And I'm the host of kind of the midday and in a late evening show called The Turn. So, you know, we're going to be an hour a day and it's going to be, you know, golf and some other stuff. You know, we're going to talk in golf and get us some news. And just basically try to be a show

that's fun and chill and, you chill and doesn't take itself too seriously, but obviously tries to touch on a lot of the stuff in this game that we care about and stuff. So obviously, good time to go live considering that the rider cup is ending the day before we actually launch a network. So at least we'll give us some fodder for a couple two or three days, especially if the inevitable happens, which I think a lot of us are worried it will. Well, how are you going to possibly bridge the gap between the Ryder Cup and the 2014-2015 season, such a long layoff? Are you giving up material to last all the way to the next season? Yeah, I mean, I, you know, if any of you FGHL were forgiven us, whatever they call us a rapper else, season or whatever.

Yeah, you know, it's, I think, you know, it's definitely, you know, not the ideal time to be talking a lot of FGHL toward golf, but, you know, one of the things in the network is, you know, one of kind of our motto is, we're exactly just focused on PGH World Golf. There's a lot more out there. I think a lot of the time we focus a little too much on the pros. That's why that kind of golf lifestyle network is it's not just worry, and tiger, and skill, and key. There's a lot of people out there. And then what we've learned, what they've learned with research, is there's a lot of people out there and then what we've learned, I mean, what they've learned with research is definitely, there's a lot of guys out there to play the game all the time that don't necessarily hear about those guys.

So, you know, why, you know, we'll be talking a ton about PGA Tour and stuff. And we'll be focusing on LPGA, you know, and then kind of the everyday golfers will know because, you know, like I said, there's those guys matter too and then those guys are, or, you know, a big part of the game. What makes it fun, and I think you and I can probably both agree that it's just as much fun playing golf at the 20 handicap as it is, too. And actually, probably sometimes a lot more fun playing with the handicap. Absolutely. As you're saying that we talk too much about Tiger and the PGA tour.

Let's get right into the PGA tour. The FedEx Cup had just wrapped. I know I spent a lot of time ripping on the FedEx Cup process, the point system, and the whole idea of a playoff. But I thought it turned out probably as good as it could have results wise as far as the uh... the a true playoff whoever you know really worth your winning to events in interesting second another one he deserve to win whatever this and this season event is i don't know if you can really call it playoff but what do you think about the overall system how would you change it what do you

think about what happens here well you know i i i totally agree kind of what you said you know i mean you know it's a test to call a golf playoff because there's four other things to matter more, you know, I mean, that's the issue with calling it what it is, but I do think that the idea of, you know, it lessen the number of players and obviously, you guys can get hot at the end of the season. You know, I think it worth this is good a season and I could have ever had with this thing. Before Sunday, I've set if Roy wins, there'll be the most decorated, right, or I think a champion we've had today because we would have had two majors, which nobody's

ever done to win this thing and would have gotten extremely hot at the end of the season to do. So, but really, you know, the guy that wanted was really, really hot and dream of like, off. And I think that's kind of what they really wanted in this system. You know, you think about it. A lot of the times in the NFL and the NBA, well, I guess more of the NFL, we'll say to the NFL because it makes more sense. You know, the NFL is a week to play off. And you know, if you're going to stick with that word, that team doesn't always win the NFL playoffs. I mean, the best team doesn't always win the Super Bowl, but the team that gets the hottest in the playoffs does. And I think you can look at the Ravens

in the two years back, both at times the Giants won. Not necessarily the team you would have expected to kind of win the playoffs, but they got hot at the right time and they rolled through them. And I think that's why what Worshield did, kind of what you mentioned. I mean, finish the second, kind of hits this show card at Skull Shot, with a chance to win. why what were so did that what you mentioned i mean you know finishes that can't you know cut it's this this show card is called shot you know i would with the chance to win

uh... instead of fading he comes back in stronger and went to turn them into the moon's old thing that you know to me that's what plate off the word means uh... so you know and he's badly worried who like i said i mean you know the guy played out of my for for the day to get out of my stress and when she majors and like I said, the guy played Adam's monitor for basically about a month's stretch and when two majors can take themselves from the cute little potential next tiger to a guy that legit them and they can win double digit majors.

And so, yeah, I think this is some work and I think that when you get a guy, granted, of course, Ray is our country. You're battling a lot of other stuff. You've got NFL starting, you've got college football starting and on top of that, you know, I mean, of course, ratings are going to be great. You're battling a lot of other stuff. I mean, you got NFL starting, you got college football starting, and on top of that, you've got an NBA World Cup, and I mean, you know, even if people don't watch that, I mean, it's a lot of big names, and if you're an NBA fan, you might tune in. But I just think in the sense of drama and guys playing great golf at the right time, you know, I think this is probably the best season they've had since those seven.

Yeah, I thought it worked out well that basically everyone at the top of the leaderboard on Sunday, if they won the Torch Championship, they won the FedEx Cup, unless it was, I think, a fure one, he needed a horse on the finish worst in solo seconds, but they at least had that going for where it was truly just a race to the title and then we didn't have Steve Sands in front of the of the touchscreen every I've been between every hole trying to figure out the math the math of the event. But I still I guess I just in the torch championship has always been played on a Sunday and we we wrote a piece a fill our guy wrote a piece about you know everyone got an idea for how to redo the redo that playoff but I just don't get why you wouldn't end it with with some sort of match play and

it doesn't have to go up and I'm against football on a Sunday you can make it on the west coast in prime time that wraps like on like a Wednesday night after the torch championship or something like that that how how exciting would it be to watch two guys go ahead to head for literally the biggest prize at all? Yeah. I mean, I trust me. I totally think that this thing shouldn't be with Massplay because if you're really going to talk about a playoff, they don't play to play off and see who had the best, you know,

NFL playoff, don't say who had the best offense or something. I mean, they definitely say who won and who beat the other team they're up against. I think, you know, match play is exactly what you have to go with. And I think there's not enough match play in golf. And I think, you know, with me and you go play golf, if you ever go play golf, which I'm sure we will. I mean, we're probably going to play match play. And I think that's what most golfers do. I mean, I think that's what most golfers play when they just go out and play with their buddies

for 10 or 15 bucks or a beer after the round or whatever. And, you know, the tort of the dude is much, I think it's simply because they're scared of getting, you know, what would be, I think it was an extensurate few years back, or it was like, you know, I mean, it was like, subterl enough versus somebody in finance. I think they saw that and they will never do that again. And I mean, I think Manchpley's fun to watch. I mean, I think the Accenture is a sneaky, great tournament, you know. I mean, I think we get excited for it. Everybody's a bracket. And I think if you did this with what you said, I mean, the, the, the amount on the line, um, it would, it would, it would, it's nothing else.

It would at least give it a good wrap to the end. I was, it was, by the way, it was owed to Kevin Sunderl and versus Scott McHarram in the finals. He was a 64-speed, wasn't he? Sunderl was a 64-speed. He was a 62 versus a 64-speed. Man, that is crazy. I never noticed the season, I've definitely gone back to that reference like a way too many times on radio, but anyway, it's not to get off topic.

I think that uh... you get, you know, you get like you said, and I totally think you have a brilliant idea. I mean, you know, I know they love doing the East Lake and all that stuff, but I mean, to say you go to Palm Springs and you play it, you know, it's big horn, play it into a life tonight on a Wednesday, and I mean, the ratings would be out of this world, especially if you had what we had this year with with Worshule and Mackery. I mean, the ratings would be out of this world, especially if you had what we had this year with Whorsholan and McAruwell. I mean, you know, those two guys, Firey and Big names, I think, if they went against it, I think we'd take it was super cool.

But they're not going to change it. You know that. I mean, they're not going to tweak it. They like the way it is. And, you know, we consider and say, we'd love to, you know, we would love, love, love to see that happen. I think golf fans and sports, I think well, maybe sports fans were the golf fans, but I think sports fans would be a little bit more interested in it,

if it was a match play and the final thing, but I think the guy that should have won it did, you know, and I think that's kind of, you know, that's like I said, I mean, that's a playoff in it, so. Yeah, I think the problem I guess I have with it is it's literally just a cash grab. Like there's no prestige that goes with it. If you went here by year, I don't think I can name off through the last set of Cup Champions of the enemy. Let's try and hold on here.

I'm going to pull it up right now. Let's get it pulled back and go. All right. I'll be pretty well here. We're going to turn. We're speaking all the way. All right. It's Gavilly Horses. 14, Stenson was 13, Settaker 12,

HOD 11, right? How's 11? Jürik 10, Tiger 9, and then VJ was 8 and Tiger 7 or a flip of them. Wow, look at you. You should write golf golf or live or something That was that was a hundred percent. I mean, I will say this I bet if you pulled most golf writers they probably couldn't have run the game up there and I think they did either

stumble last year for getting stint and did it or maybe getting sneds or hop mixed up or something Because now those are pretty you know know, the hotshot was, was, you know, we remember business stuff. But, yeah, I mean, I agree with you. There's a small field. There's not a lot of stuff going on. If you're not, if you don't have a chance to win it, what's the really the play for, honestly?

I mean, and those guys sure seem like they're pretty, pretty burnout. But, again, I say this, it's better than the alternative, you know, I'm not sure if it's a good excuse. Is it, you know, what, I had people in Twitter rank and about it and stuff. I know it's not, it's not the masters, it's not the writer cup and all that stuff, but it's definitely better than if they had nothing after the PGA I could use to be, because, you know, if nothing else it'll at least give this formal week to watching the best play. And I think that's exciting. And I think these guys, really horsey, for instance, it's a lot to play for.

I mean, it doesn't matter. Tiger, it's not going to matter with Phil. It's not going to matter with Rory. But for somebody like Horseshoor Haas or Smediker, and I wrote a piece on Pac-9 about it, I mean, if you could include that money, he would have been 100 on the money list ever in the career earnings. I mean, $10 million is a lot of the money. Yeah.

I was glad at least it went to somebody, not only one of their players, but one of somebody of that money matters too. And he flat out said that. If you're a quote of one, he's already forced on the all-time money list. What do you need for $1 million? $1 million. So I thought that part played out fine, but it's still just going to be a issue.

And not the only one with this take, it's scalding hot. Put your oven mitts on for this one. I mean, it is a shame the horse was not going to be on the Radar Cup team and the way that the RadarUP picks played out, I think, is Watson could very well end up with egg on his face. And I kind of, I was kind of giving him a pass on it for a second thing.

Look, this is how the system is. After timing he made the pick, I, I've predicted all three picks that he was going to make. I said, and I said, I was on board with that. I said, look, this is a system, the way it is. And the given the body knew at the time, I thought he made the right picks. But then I started reading a little bit more and I realized he was the one in charge of setting the data when he makes the cap and pick. Azinger, when he didn't know A, he, I think he waited till right up until two weeks

before, so it would have been this week to make his final picks. I think Watson overall kind of wanted to go less captain sticks more based on point that wanted less control over the situation i think this could really really backfire space well i mean you know i mean you you want to be these plan about something like a world he's definitely one of the things i mean i think there's there's a few people if any

maybe we havepsons watch for Hunter Mayhands, you know, for others, or something that was just a group. But yeah, I mean, it's just a bummer. And it's really a bummer for all fans. I mean, you know, if it was Bill Haas that did this, no offense to Bill Haas, but, you know, if it was Bill Haas, I mean,

Bill Haas coming on the team, not necessarily going to bring a ton more views. But I think Worshaw is one of the few guys that actually can bring eyeballs, or be keeps doing what he's doing, you know, him and a writer cup. I mean, he's our only guy that's going to act like the European's actor. I think there's something to that. I mean, I think we get these because a lot of the time we're not totally 100% into it all the time. And if nothing the time we're not totally 100% into it all the time.

And if nothing else, we're not showing it. And, you know, this guy's going to get up this company, he's going to scream, he's going to get under the European guy's skin. And on top of that, like, you know, he's one, two, two, three, two rows. You know, there's not many guys that are as confident as he is. It's a bummer, there's nothing you can do to change. You know, the one thing I said, the one thing I said in the office the other day, I said, if Patrick agreed everyone had to turn his image around, he would pull out of it and give the spot that we're sure. I think that all just go, reach the best guy in the world.

Yeah, no, it would. I thought about that too, but I was like, if I was in Patrick Reed's shoes, there's no way. I would probably have to go to the corner. You work your whole life. I don't know. I know. I know it's not realistic scenario, but it works your whole life. He qualifies on points. It's just someone like, I mean, again, it's not going to happen.

It's someone like Webb, who knew he was playing this badly and has played in it before and has shanked a ball in the Sunday singles match, then maybe I would want the 1% chance mid as that would happen there, but not somebody who's going for the first time as a rookie, but... Dan, one very time. I mean, if you talk about earning your way, you know, every time he was later in the season, you know, I know it's just a bummer. There's nothing you can do about it.

I think everybody's kind of exhausted at this point. I think we all wish, you know, I'm sure Wampland wishes you had a Morgan and we all do too, but, you know, Worshaw's going to watch it like you and I. I mean, it's crazy to think that, but, you know, they just kind of changed the system. They've got to have it. The guy's picking after all these tournaments in because it's nothing else you're saving yourself like you said. The chance, the off chance that somebody gets super hot at the end of the season and you

have to sit there and answer questions, you know, on Sunday the 28th saying, yeah, I know I wish I could have had them on a team. Yeah, that's to the point where it's get a distraction for the team, I think at this point, it's a lead story when you talk about the guys Ryder Cup team. The way for the picks have fallen out, which is a shame, because I mean, hopefully those guys are tuning that out and focus on the ready roll. But we're talking within some of our last known way

and not guys about. I do the same thing every four years when the World Cup comes around, and I was the only one that actually thought this was the case, but would you prefer to play the Ryder Cup every year rather than every other year? I don't think so. I mean, I think that there's something about, you know, I think in a world we live in

where everything has to be so instantaneous. The fact that the Olympics and the World Cup and stuff like the Ryder Cup doesn't happen every year. It gives it a little bit of uniqueness especially now. I like when we wait a little bit. I think it's kind of cool. I like when we, even when we lose, sitting there going well in two years, I just think there's something cool about that. It was four years. I'd probably say I wish it was a little quicker, but I mean, I think I can even go three, honestly. I mean, I think even three years, it's just, if you would hit nothing else, it would add a little bit of, you know, a little bit more to it, just

because, you know, if you hold back cup, you know, you're going to have it for three years. But, you know, I think the writer cup is something that you don't tweak. I mean, it's like the masters. I've always said, you know, normal golf going to have it for three years. But, no, I think the writer cup is something that you don't tweak. I mean, it's like the masters. I've always said, you know, normal golf fans are going to rank the masters. They're favorite tournament in the writer cup. They're second favorite. And I think it's because it's so unique and different. And it kind of goes back what we talked about earlier.

There's something about a master play that makes it all more interesting. You know, it's just something about, I think athletes can relate a little bit more to it than don't golf. And I think there's something that I definitely like a little bit more about it. And I think for something, even as a writer and a guy that's covered golf, I find myself at times rooting a little bit for the Americans because I'm an American. I don't feel bad admitting it. I find myself sometimes saying, man, I hope Garrett makes his brother.

I hope Stryker can hold this. And I think that's a patriotism that doesn't come out much. And I don't care if an American finishes one on a panics couple list or pull the PGA out. But I think for this week, we tend to lose against Rory and search you know and You know and yeah, and then all those guys and and and it's for one week a year one week every two years It gives everybody a chance to kind of take a side. Yeah, I guess the deploy out of trying to make it was like I feel like it would be It would be It would be cool if like you had you know You're spring of it everyone looks forward to the masters even non-goffins like watch the masters

I feel like if you had it again another event every year in the fall of the one more thing for the whole city of all i like to watch the masters and the writer copy the capital now you're just the bj of american to come find your the president's copy for the company you uh... enough for down all three president people like i'm not that we're not

that's not it i know it and i mean you know it it is funny though is there something uh you know I mean I obviously I mean I don't think there's anybody in the world that would say they like the presence come up with a writer come but um I mean I I think that uh there's there's there's a there's a weird thing about how should the American team is during the presence of it at least is such success.

And then I feel like when the Ryder Cup rolls around those guys, you're just to complete an opposite. Piger and Strick are out there having the most fun in the world and the Ryder Cup comes around to everybody so tight. I will say, the international need to win the next presence cup in the America. It's really need to win this thing

because if the European fool is out again, you're talking about an event, becoming uninteresting in the sense of teams because you can't have another European win or another European blow up. Me and you have killed about it a lot online, just about some of the scores that have happened in the past with some of these American teams like that. That's part of my plan though, if we get rid of the president's cup And we just nationalize Jason Day and Adam Scott and then that makes the right it's gonna make the writer a couple a lot A lot more interesting if we can actually compete with the European film problem solved

Yeah, no absolutely, you know what you know, you probably find Some way to combine them all you know less from in the sphere or something Do something and have us all on one team. I honestly believe that I'm not, this is not a joke. I think if we get drummed in this thing, as if we, American team, I'd say we, like I'm one of those greater fans of this thing. If we get just like drummed,

I could totally see them tweak in the format and including North America. And I don't know if I've been completely against it. Honestly, I think if we get out of the Canadian and a couple, I mean, I just, I think it keeps happening like this. I could see a little bit of a tweet because, you know, what happened the other way with this format back in the day when it was just GBI and, you know, I think that if those players keep, you know, you know, turning out these guys have

incredible, I could see somebody saying, okay, we got to look at our team and say, we got to find another way to have some good players in this thing. I just solely for the USA chance, I could never sign onto that. Like that's one of the coolest things you don't even think about the Red or Cup. Is the USA. You don't think North don't think north america i'm on that that really is that really is the goose bumps go ahead

yeah i mean it's not really going to change a lot if we get what it's uh... what granda lat and maybe mic we're on the team like i don't know how they would think about it maybe maybe handicapping it or giving the US a head start. I think both those guys would be on the team right now because they have the opportunity to do that. That is a great. Honestly, I don't want to sound like somebody that's trying to pull a back foot.

I don't think it's going to be as lost side of this possible. I really don't think so. I think there's a chance that these guys, for some reason, I don't know if I'm just talking about them into it, but we've always had these superstar teams and the fact that we have got a water down group and I don't know if lots of control in together or whatever, but I think they'll at least be competitive and I just sure hope they are because the fact that you can bond in, the fact that they're coming on super early, if we're down six points going into singles on Sunday, I mean, this thing's going to be watched by

like me, you, Kyle Porter and like four other people. I mean, the thing they got going for is the euros aren't nearly in as good a form as they were about two months ago when all the hysteria started about how poor things were looking for the US team. But the US guys have been some of the bottom of the barrel guys on some of these playoff events. It's hard to get really excited about it. But I'm not excited about it.

It's an extremely unique event and anything can have an image play. I just keep looking up and down the team and i like we're really going in here with bubble even this thing i mean that's that's that's who are with ricky faler's never want to write a cut match and he may be our best form player at this point like maybe that's a really

he definitely is well i would be a bit serious that's a problem though yeah good by the way that was a really good political answer you might be ready for tv that was good when you said the whole thing about it's match play all that that was a really impressed you you were you were totally political there i'm probably it that's not exactly my goals i'm not taking that as a compliment but i hear the question i've slowed out this week. I think it's an interesting question because there's a lot of different things you have to consider when thinking about

this. So take you, Shane Bacon, you'll say you find some incredible form and you find your way and you are a middleing tour pro. All right, you've made it at this point in your life. You get to choose, you get to win these six things. Picture like a fantasy football draft that you can't attend, right? You have to set a power ranking for these six events. You don't know what draft take number you're going to be. You're going to set them in the order that you would want to win these events. the order that you would want to win these events. Masters, US Open, British Open, PGA, Ryder Cup, or the FedEx Cup. All right, I'd go Masters first.

Easy one. I think that's probably pretty easy. I think I'd go British second. You know, I just, there's a soft spot in the heart about the British Open. I'm obsessed with the golf over there and I just think the whole history thing is cool. I'm going to throw a little crazy wrench into it and say FedEx third. It's tough to pass up that money. I would say US Open next. I would say PGH Championship and say writer cup.

The issue with writer cup is you're talking about factory everything in and in the sense of financial implications. And I mentioned that I was going to find my way and as I've seen with my golf game it can go away quickly. The writer cup is not going to do a ton. I mean, we've mentioned even some of the names. Vaughan Taylor, Buweekly, you know, I mean, these guys that were on the team once or so.

I mean, you know, there's been a lot of randoms that have been on the team, and I mean, how much money did they make from that, you know, and that's what that's my only issue. I mean, I love to play on the writer club team. I'd be so awesome that that was the question I might have changed it up, but, you know, these things, everything else is going to make me some money. And I didn't say it, but at the end of the day, I think that was the question I might have changed it up, but you know these things everything else is gonna Make me some money and I get to say it, but at the end of the day I think that was what was so funny to Billy Horseshell thing where people said his wife's gonna go in labor And he's gonna be playing the missing and I saw a couple people on Twitter say they didn't agree with it

If I had a million dollar chance if somebody said to me that they were going to put me in a room with 20 guys that write golf and there was a chance I could walk out with a million bucks and my girlfriend was going to have a baby, she would push me in that room and lock a door. I mean there's no way, you know, it's just, it's funny that anybody would make a big issue on that. So, it's just amazing. Well here's what makes it really.

Here's what makes me about that. All right, we we talk golf. We have opinions but basically everything. That is literally there are two people that that that issue matters to. That's him and his wife. Like, yeah, you just you don't agree with like you have no say in the matter. It is strictly. But between two people like that you can disagree with Tom Watson's captain's fix like all like you can't tell You can't have a disagreeing opinion on what you what somebody should do regarding the birth of their first child or playing For filling their job like you got to be kidding

I I can't weigh in on the matter that maybe so upset but I do It's like when grandparents get mad at what you name your kid. It's like, well, sorry, you shouldn't name your kid that. I don't care. This is our child. I don't care what you think. It's so funny. I totally agree. I actually did think I was going to say that. This is not our, this is not our last. We shouldn't care about this at all. I was totally in on that. It leads into something else we were thinking about talking about is, you know, the whole Rory saying the thing about Tiger thing, and everybody's slipping out

about it, it's like, you know, we don't always have to get mad about stuff. And I think that, one of the biggest problems with journalism right now is, it's like, you have to flip out, and then people have to react, and you're like, Rory said, I've extremely honest they shut chain ryan or the great thing on uh... on golf i just about this off the internet so i mean you know it's it's just this kid said

he said something absolutely one hundred percent respectful and honest not big at all and people took it as a controversy. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no. First, it's not. And so I just wonder, where do you think it started?

Like, who's to initially said, oh, he's taken a dig on these guys. It was like, it was extremely honestly to say. And if you're sitting there telling me a 44-year-old guy, and a near 40-year-old guy with all these injuries, is it on the back into this career here, oblivion? Yeah, I think it was one of the same things. Where does the problem go? I think it was Doug Ferguson tweeted.

He had wrote about that story and he said that I think it was golf.com that basically rewrote it and changed the headline to make the focus of the story completely different than what he wrote. So, if it has been just blame that straight on whoever wrote, whoever started the controversy and blame a lot on the desire for the items of the NGL were going to generate the traffic and what not. I mean, I went to go right about this, I kind of burned out, I just put three caps up, sort of, you know, a few. And I'm so glad I didn't write about it because Shane Ryan killed it. He absolutely nailed it.

And it's just pointing, the part I thought was the most interesting and the most accurate was like, what's, Rory gives us one of the best interviews that we currently have in the game. And what reason is he going to want to have it to ever be open and honest again, after that? I mean, it's one thing to, you know, to generate something, to generate traffic, and we all do it. I mean, I know if I write something about Tiger or if he's twice as many clicks as if I do write something about, you know, like, we're, but it's one thing to do that at the expense of someone else, you know, tearing player and and the course of doing that and happens to be the number one

player in the game right now it's not exactly the first you want to get on your on your bad side just it was it was it was it was it was very confusing i'll say that i mean i did i just i didn't quite get it i didn't understand why people got so excited about it and and uh... there's so many things and golf you get fired up about it. And there's so many things in golf that you can get fired up about,

and this is just now one of them. I don't know, it happens in a lot of sports. And again, it's gonna make these guys not wanna talk to the media, not wanna say anything. We have enough robots in golf for good to say. So the last thing we need is more of those. And Jason Bayes quoted in that chain, Ryan Sory was great. He basically said, saying something about Tiger made me gunshot. You know, and it's like, you know,

you want to be gunshot with the media. And all we do is ask you to be honest and sincere. And I think war has been great if that over his career. And I can totally see him back away from that. Here's a question for you. What would happen if Horsill came off the 18th green of the tour championship? And Horsill and Macroi have a little bit of a history. They say it's Quashmown. As far as I can tell in the broadcast, they look to be fine. But they have a little history going back from a match play event, the Walker Cup. I think they get an OA, where Horsill was getting a little mouthy and a little bit too into it and Macroi didn't care

for it. What if Horsill walked off that 18 mouthy and a little bit too into it and macaroni didn't care for it. What if Horser walked off that 18th green and just pulled a Richard Sherman interview? Like, you imagine what would happen to the golf world? If he pulled a Richard Sherman interview on the 18th green, was there a parity there on the green or whoever's down there on the green? Yeah, I mean, it's just like, that kind of stuff is just never going to happen. And I think these guys are so, they're so hot as them. What's going on? If you walked off and did that, I think these guys,

honest to goodness, think a lot of these people's computers are blow up. Like they would literally be in bold complain, and they wouldn't even be able to write a story. I mean, it's, it's just, it's just golf. It's supposed to be fun and in a reverend. And I just, sometimes I get a little confused at why everything's got to be such a controversy. If, again, it goes back. This is as simple as I can put it.

If you don't think those guys are on the back nine of their career, you're not paying attention. Phil didn't want to turn them into sheer. Tiger didn't want to turn them into sheer. I mean, you know, they might be going through slump and injuries, but it's as simple as that. These are guys that used to win, you know, I mean, I think Tiger won nine or ten times in one season. You know, I mean, Phil's won three or four times in a season. I mean, these guys win tournaments a lot, and then either of them won one this year. I just think it's apparent that they're not necessarily in the prime of their career.

And, you know, the fact that Rory mentioned it and people flipped out is more on us than it is on Rory. Yeah, I mean, I think I'm in the camp of the swan song of the Tiger Bill era is premature. I have more confidence that Tiger is going to make his way back more that you feel uh... i just feel it's still at this point in his career only cares about the majors and even so we only cares mostly about one major and i just i feel like his his focus that's her to focus so much that

he can't take regular pj torre than seriously and i think that's not a attention yeah yeah i think that's so no you're really yeah i mean tiger it's not only the win five times in 2013 like pj torre just came out with the stat you know strokes gained t to green he was second on torre strokes gained t to green in 2013 like he was still these like basically the best ball striker in the game at the big year ago. I'm confident and I was with a swing that nobody really liked. So I'm confident that Tiger is going to make his way back. Absolutely. Somebody asked me

am I my first middle-eyed with back nine they said who do you think wins more next year or your Tiger and not the Tiger and I'm totally with you and I think Phil's going gonna be fine. Phil's one of those guys when he gets it going, he gets really into it. And then what you said is right, I think Phil cares about two or three tournaments a year. But I think he always is gonna care

when he's in contention. You know, when he's there on Sunday, and he's got a chance to win, he's gonna be Phil Nicholson. But you know, if he's in 18th place on Sunday, he doesn't care. And I think I would probably be the exact same way. And I think that's one of the reasons the guys like Steve Strickert has tied the schedule

back is because it's really hard to stay at that level for multiple decades. And I think Nicholson's been there for so long. He's won so much money. He's won so many tournaments. Honestly, what is he in winning the shell used to know if he's going to do? Like, I don't know what is it going to do? Nothing. Zero things.

It's going to stop people talking about how he had in one in a while, but I mean, in the sense of his career and legacy, five days after the Shell Geese in Open, we're going to figure it out for you to forget it happened. So, I'm sure, yeah, I'm right there with you. I think they'll both be fine, and they're probably going to have a fine 2015. But yeah, I mean, they're not going to be competing for 20 more years. I think we can both play that. And I think that's kind of a worries point.

Yeah. Well, back to the comments. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this because, you know, I feel like this happens a lot in not just all media. Actually, I don't think the golpe is not as guilty as the rest of the sports media world, but they'll be a certain topic to death so take a take to examples like currently in the news the ray rise age and feeders and stuff

or be that to death if you look backwards i'm thinking along the line to like to think johnny meddell lebron uh... ten people stuff like that and they get criticism for this day you know you're beaten this the death like blah blah blah and the point to look This is the most visited thing on our website right now is our highest ratings are when we're talking Tim Teebo on first take I feel like and I that's what I call it is the Tim Teebo fallacy it's where these stories get generated and are talked about so much that you're kind of almost forced to

care about them. Like when all that Tim Timo Mayhem was going on in Denver, like I was finding myself like wanting to sit down and watch and play now because I thought it was 60. I was just really curious how this really polarizing guy who is like being talked about way too much compared to what his talent is, is dominating the mainstream and is how we perform. And I kind of have the same with Madel. I mean, there's so much talk going into the last season. I was like, there's that albanagate.

I couldn't wait to download that game. I feel like there's this spiral that you can go down with a story when it becomes popular. The more you talk about it, the more traffic it generates, and then the more you talk about it, and then the more traffic it's just this spiral that I feel like Rory is kind of going down that road. Yeah, we basically are the bell rings and we go to dinner. You know, I mean, we're the dog. I mean, I just, I think it's ford fans, like you said, we kind of are in a weird place where you think something is important. And I mean, there's definitely new dollars

that are worse at this than others, but, you know, you, you, you think something is important and you then you find it, you find yourself talking way more about it than you should. And then now you've made it more important than it really is and you can't stop talking about it. So exactly. Yeah, I mean, I mean, the worry thing is so strange to me. The fact that I mean, as a golfer, I love watching them play golf. I think he's one of the most fun golfers to watch since I started not only covering the game, but really watching as a kid. I love watching his swing. I love the way it's the ball i love watching the approach on the biggest putting through kind of fun to watch because it's not necessarily the most

smoothing in the world that he seems to make a lot of puts with it uh... but yeah no i i totally agree and i and i don't understand why he doesn't seem to translate with sports and you know i mean you see the ratings and they're just not good and even when he's kind of in contention and stuff and and i don't understand why but um... this stuff not gonna help you know having having a question you never think he said and turning him into more of a robot than he already is you know he's not gonna be anymore is too many are

years and i mean he's already played incredible golf and done you know something that we really haven't seen in a long time and uh... and he's gonna become more and more boring more people say what will we say it's a big controversy yeah i think it was american i think it'd be a lot a lot bigger i mean look at how that ricky fallor with one win and grazer's lot of other reasons why is this popular if rory was american i feel like we would be would uh...

we'd hear a lot more about them in the mainstream more than uh do at least for Hem Bigg number one player in the world. Back to the question though about the ranking internment. Which we've geared away from that. I've heard some things and I have no support, no research to really back it up. How much money is a major championship win worth? That's kind of where my question lied from. I was like, I've heard it said that if you win the masters, it's worth $20 million of the course of your life.

Whatever that means, appearance fees, so on and on, whatever that means is you will make $20 million off a master's win when you're prized. There's $1.6 million, you know, whatever. So I was curious to see how many people actually chose the fed x-cuff the money purposes when you gotta think about how much endorsement money is a major championship within and how much you know five year exemption that you get in all major

tournaments for major championship win lifetime exemption for a master's win how much you weigh in that versus the immediate cash of, I mean, $11 million today is worth more than $20 million that can be worth more than $20 million of the course of your life. That's kind of where the question lies with me. I don't really know how I'd answer it. I think I'd answer it probably in the way I listed them. Basically, in order that they occur, I put the FedEx couple of other radicals for most of the same reason that he's that. Yeah, I mean, you know, to me, you almost want to ask that question at somebody like Michael Campbell and say,

you know, how much did that US Open Victory when he really did nothing after? How much did you really earn from that? Because, you know, was it, was Because was it financially lucrative as something like, if you just got paid 13 million, a billion of dollars will never play golf again. He's going to have that 13 million in his bank forever. And you might get a five year exemption,

but to me, that's a little bit riskier than just getting the payout. So no, I think it's a great debate. I love the question. I think it's a cool question. I love the question. I think it's a cool question. I just say, masters first, because I think being the lifetime green jacket guy and getting to go to the champion dinner and all that stuff would be probably the coolest thing

that you could ever really do if you're a fan at all. And to me, just a history behind the British and Amon Link's and being over there and working over there and all that stuff. It's got a kind of a special place in my heart. But at the end of the day, for a team point five or whatever, of course the one is pretty hard to beat. And I think once you get that payout and what you could do with it, you know, I just... And to me, you're a FedEx-up champ, and you get a lot of stuff from that as well. So, you know, it's a great question and it kind of goes back to a kind of a human question

really. It was worth the money or accomplishment. And I think, you know, the majors are important, but it is somebody like Sean McEill really getting a lot of his up-parency money because he won a PGA a decade ago. I mean, you know, I don't really think so. I think, you know what I think, the three podcasts we've done, I think we've gone three for three mentioning Michael Campbell, Sean McKeill, Vaughn Taylor,

and JJ Henry, I swear, I think we have at least two out of the three we've mentioned those guys that ever say go on. And we haven't mentioned Keegan Bradley, we haven't mentioned Hunter Man,. We haven't mentioned Hunter Man. We have to mention, we should go through the top 10 in the world that we've got. We haven't mentioned Henry Tenton.

We've talked about these people that didn't met. We were like 15 years old when we got married. We were even talked about. Well, when you, it made a lot more sense, actually. Now, my answer is a little more clear when you started. When you put names to the question, like the Sean McEill, Michael Campbell thing, would you rather have Sean McEill's career

or Billy Horsel at this point? I think the answer for me is Horsel. I mean, how much of a PGA championship win worth to you? And so the parallel there, I guess, it's you're gonna rank the British above the FedEx, would you rather have Todd Hamilton or Ben Curtis' career over somebody like Horsesall? Right, and I think it's a fair point. To me, it's just more, I mean, you know, a million dollars to me is just such a weird number. It's like, not even, to me, I have a friend

who lives in Las Vegas and he gambles for living. He's like the craziest person of all time, but he's like also the most awesome and We hope he's too feel like if somebody gave us a million dollars in cash or a hundred thousand dollars in cash They could be the same thing What is this like you know and he says the same thing like if he won a ten million dollar tournament or he won a $200,000 tournament like it would be pretty much the same because it would be a ton of money that you would end up probably blowing anyway. So, you know, it's like, I mean, like, if you won the British Open, I just feel like it would be such a cool thing to always say, and you know, if you won the FedEx Cup, you probably

wouldn't sit there bragging about it, but your house and your boat and your jet would be, you know, so it's really just kind of where your interest lie. And I think having a clear agenda would be awesome. I would probably just be so scared that I'd drop it. Was it lost in the drop it? Was it was top-loss in drop it like a sports win or whatever, when you drop it and broke it? But to me, the second cool is trophy in sports that I think

having your name on that would be, to me, would probably equip money and stuff like that. Yeah, no, it makes sense. It makes sense. I gave you this question for your mailbag, I don't know if it's going to make the cut or not, but we may have it overlap here. But what I wanted to know was, it was billion horoscals

three-week stretch of making $13.5 million, whatever it was. Has anybody ever made more money in golf over that period of time? Now I know at least I'm almost processing it. As far as organized golf, that is a fact. Like no one's made. You can't win a bigger prize, money-wise, in the FedEx cup, and he won more over three weeks, and Tiger did, I think, like a 09 when he ran off basically the same exact results but has anyone ever and obviously don't know the answer to that something I have hypothetically. Does anybody ever bet more money than that and wanted on a golf course over that period of time? Do you think? I mean, this probably somebody in Vegas that has, I've heard a couple of pretty good stories

about stuff that's happened in Shadow Creek and stuff like that, but... that's happened and shadow creaking stuff like that. But I don't think I want to be involved with anybody that's ever been dealing with that much money out of golf course. I don't think I want to be in the conversation. I might not even want to be on the property. If you're gambling that amount of money out of the game and golf, I'm just not that good of a putter to be able to deal with that. But you know what I mean?

Who knows what business is in that game. You know, I would love to actually hear him off camera talk about what is what his biggest thing was or any of these pros really for that matter. But 13.4, three weeks. I mean, you know what I'd like to know, just in general in all courts ever, has anybody made that much money in three weeks, you i mean probably not may weather i mean right i mean yeah yeah

makes it one night so so the bossers aside i guess you know like just i mean if you took bosses out of the equation if anybody ever done it because i mean i'm sure we're surely not in the organized or right now i mean uh... yeah i think i think i mean how much of the michael jordan play for any game you know i can't

you're right i mean the guy get like a newty basically from night he of a bar jump and yet yet yet he'll be in half i've heard that they have equity in night he or jump and but he gets like something like two hundred fifty million dollars a year from I don't know if he has any money to play with. He should call a whorsel. You got that check hot in your pocket or what?

All right, man. Well, I appreciate you coming on, man. I think we've covered a lot of things. Hey Billy, you got that check hot in your pocket or what? All right, man, well appreciate you coming on man. I think we've covered everything that's going on currently in the golf world I said then Of course the big web.com torch. How much of you follow the web.com tour playoff? I wish I could say I have and I'm just would be'm just would be lying. It's been a pretty busy due week. This whole transition and stuff over here is we've been working, working, working, working, and I'm like I said, I'm fired up. TV is something I'm always

going to do and I've got a pretty cool opportunity with them to make some fun stuff and some cool and you need stuff and you guys are hopefully going to help out a little bit here and there, too. So, you know, it's dabbing you guys on is pretty exciting and so on, right? You guys are kind of having a lot of fun with what you're doing and making some pretty awesome stuff. Yeah. Now we're looking for that as well. I did have one more question.

What is your viewing strategy going to be for the rider cuff? I guess. Here's my dilemma. What time? What time? Tell me more time because I haven't totally looked into it. What time is it going to come on East Coast? I'm an East Coaster now. Yeah, you're an East Coaster. I think it's actually better the East Coast, maybe the best time zone. Let's come out on Friday morning at 2.30 a.m. So Eastern? Eastern. Yeah, 2.30 a.m. Okay, so Eastern Eastern. Yeah, 238.

Friday at 2.30 a.m. Eastern, okay, so you know, your options are to go to sleep really early on Thursday night and wake up at 2.15 with a pot of coffee ready and go or do you may be sleeping late on, you know, on Thursday and just stay up through the night on Friday night up in two. I don't know when it's, I don't, minimum coverage ends. I think it ends at noon on Friday morning. Then go to bed. What I mean, it's, it's

a little loud. Yeah, you know, I'll probably go to bed early. I'll probably try to like, what I'll probably try to do is do some super serious something, like, run a long way, longer than I want to or something, on Thursday afternoon, to get myself a little exhausted and try to see if there's some way I could pass out of like 8.30 or 9. And get in maybe 4.5, you know. So I feel like that's my best chance of doing this. You know, the British is like just like this and and i think be it on the west coast i've had to do this

before and i'm so bad at trying to do the stay up thing i just can't yeah i've tried so many times and i thought i had so many rounds were of like knocked out like thirty tweets and then people like did did you did you die and i'm on a plate. I was on an A, you know, I felt a sleeve for someone. I like that you said you, you know, tire yourself out that way instead of like, I was thinking of like blaming a bunch of beers and right after work and just being exhausted from that and falling asleep to wake up at one day.

And for me it comes on a one-thirty. I got to be up at one fifteen basically the ticket ready for this like i had never done that before that anything like that i got to go to bed at like that that's what it's gonna be it's gonna be a mess to do that three days in a row and then at least a country two days after that so should be fun yet you don't have a lot going on you'll be no no no i got i did request that the day of work specifically watch the writer cover i think i

think i'm going to be packing it's a lot probably probably smart to do that all right i think it's coming on everyone takes a listen to the shane bacon now the fact i network and uh... you'll be here in from shane shane soon i guess it's uh... september twenty-ninth new show show on direct TV channel with the channel again. 262 so it's called the turn.

And you know DVR the turn and the clubhouse and the Matt and Addy show, I mean it's all going to be, you know you can find a different and you guys alike. And just test your DVR on back mind just every show. I think he's really what you want to do and delete all the other shows you watch because I mean come on like let's be serious here I mean it's that simple let's just ask him if you're not asking about let me tell you if you've listened to podcasts this long you're a golf freak anyway so you probably actually should do what I said he's not asking much people come on just set your knees up all right thanks give her coming on man take care everybody Just let you do the job. Alright, thanks. Give it a come and all, man. Take care, everybody.

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