No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 91: PGA Championship Recap with Kyle Porter, Brendan Porath, & Sean Martin

Episode Date: August 14, 2017

Joined by Kyle Porter of CBS, Brendan Porath of SB Nation, and Sean Martin of the PGA TOUR, we debrief the wild final round of the 2017 PGA Championship. We talk about JT’s amateur career,... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 91: PGA Championship Recap with Kyle Porter, Brendan Porath, & Sean Martin appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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to the show. Yeah, that's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sully here. We are in Charlotte.

I'm in Bretton Porats, Hotel Room here, as well with Kyle Porter. Trying to recreate the post-writer cut podcast. We're missing KVV right now, but take started to be sped out, and I had to put a moratorium on him. We had to save it for the pod, but... The breaks.

Here we are, ready to go. Let's do it. How we feeling? Day four was better than days one, three, three. Combined? Yeah. Yeah. Total, in the aggregate.

I don't remember hearing a roar until today. We're recording this on Sunday Sunday night. I don't remember hearing one single roar of the first three days. Yeah. I was pretty hard on the setup. What did you think of the setup, Brendan? Uh, I thought, yeah, I mean, yesterday was brutal. Yeah, and a lot of it was setup related. I mean we got five hour Five hour 40 minutes around you know even par seem good the leaderboard like the lead was going nowhere and no one was coming up the leaderboard

It was and today was just kind of now granted like there wasn't some like mega low-round Today was just kind of now granted, like there wasn't some like mega low-round out there like a ton of birdies, but there was a lot of movement, the setup, you know, a lot of it was just reign related. They didn't go crazy with the pins. There were some tough Sunday pins, but they didn't go crazy.

And, but it was, it was pretty hype right from the beginning. I thought, like Thomas's birdie put on two going in. You talk about roars. I remember that distinctly. There was some juice on the ground. It was loud. I mean, it was like, the one on nine was the biggest. Then the biggest one I heard.

Then obviously, 13 was the honest. 17. So I just thought there was a different dynamic. And obviously, you know, made up for it. Made up for those first three days. 17 so I just thought there was a different dynamic and obviously You know made up for it made up for those first three days in a big way over those final, you know three and a half hours or so Speaking of setup did read Did Peer read talk about how many left out there? He did he did have some quote saying I don't care if I finished second or 50 if I'm out here to win. That's been clear from his finishes it made you

Oh, he's finished second didn't he? Yeah, well all right we're done with the no-touch Yeah it's all over. It's all over. Finally can move on from that very bad take. What was your favorite moment? 17 was cool. 17 so I think 16 was a little underrated.

Up and down from the bumper. It made a look routine. It was not, no, it was not easy. So he hit the drive on 16 and Pim stepped it out of there. He was shot out of the blocks. Like it was, we're, you're sprinting down the ferry. Yeah, I need to bud in and say,

we had to revive Saul, he had multiple coins on the back nine today. Because the T-Ball, on the T, he's just like the follow-through, and he's kept like walking, grabbed his T-M's golf. It was my part of his back swing, keeps Saul alive, functioning, to make cross the finish line.

It was the closest to a cocaine rush, I think I've ever felt without it, we're actually having to do cocaine. Well, there's like terrible cell phone service out there. You couldn't even, if you were doing like a play by play of the sauce that he was spraying, you could, you would, you would, you'd be over the tweet limit. You'd be over the tweet limit. It was, he was twirling it. He was, I do have to call out one.

He did have a post shot landing club twirl. That's, that's, that's fake news. You, you have to twirl it while it's in the air. Other than that. What hole was that on? That was on the front night. I think that was on number five or something like that. But I remember you calling that out, ideally. Yeah. Yeah. That's not how that's like. He's the ambassador. He's not how this work. He's held to a higher standard than most of. Now, but 17 was, I thought, so being there, you pick up all these nuances, and I thought the walk from 16 to 17 is pretty far,

and he was very like stoic, and you're just, I was looking at him thinking, like, I wonder what he's thinking about. I said to you, before we went, I was like, this is gonna be a big walk. I mean, because you go into the theater. Yeah. The cauldron.

It's like, it's big theater and you gotta hit a 220-yard shot over water, water left. And it's the biggest crowd that you probably have around you at that point. Before that, I noticed, so he got up and down on the bonker on 16. And Matsuama hit it over, it was like still fudzing around, trying to figure out how to get in the hole.

Fudzen. Fudzen out how to get in the hole. Fartsin'. Fartsin'. Trying to keep this, yeah. Want to put the E explicit tag. That's what I'm blisterin'. All right. So Thomas got up and down. You know, Matsuyama's taking this time.

Thomas, like, went over, that's like a peninsula of greens. Kinda isolated. There's no- There's no grandstands. Which is weird. TV towers, you know, no grandstands, no fans, no ropes They like went and found like the spot like look there was a ton of media Like you have the Japanese media. You have the American me. It was like just packed He found like this little spot and just got in this like crouch And he just like stared at the ground. He's like picking at his nails a little bit like totally locked in Jimmy

Wasn't near him the caddy was a near him He was just by himself kind of reminiscent of you know the before the eagle putt to clinch the 63 at Aaron Hills Everyone made a big deal of him like he got in that crouch and like stared at the ground And I think like Johnny or yeah, well it's because that's Johnny, but everyone's like, oh he's nervous right now. Azinger, I think what's saying, the Fox Brock is like, he's nervous. This was exactly like that. You could tell, holy shit,

I have like this enormous par three over water. It's with like a tough pin coming up. I had two holes to go to win my first major. And he just like, really kind of like stared at the ground, gotten this crouching his moment and then went into the walk he was just talking about where you were trying to cycle analyze what's going on right now. But that's why this is my first ever major covering and I wanted to do that was like that's

why I said it to Porto before he went I was like this is going to be awesome walk this is what I want to see that's when you're going to be there this is what you want to see and do is like you're you're not far away from the guy who is battling you know you wait your whole life for the moment for the chance. He has his hands around at this point and there's just it first big of a team is these guys have they got caddies they got managers they got physios they've got everything putting coach swing coach there's no like your caddies carrying your bag but there's no one else in the arena with you. It's you, it's only you at that point.

It's amazing. And to watch guys battle it and just come through in that regard, and that seven irony hit, 220 yards. It's world it. It's world it. I mean, that's the stuff that, I don't know, I don't think, I think you can take that moment with you for the rest of your career And say when the pressure was the greatest I've ever had in my life the toughest shot probably all I ever have to play

Considering the circumstances I hit one of the best shots of my life. Yeah, awesome and I think what it makes a plot Yeah, I mean I had a Vince Carter gift I mean, I had a Vince Carter gift just kidding. Before it was in draft. I even didn't draft. You had it on the screen waiting. Yeah. Before that, we'll actually hit the bottom of the cup. I think you hit Tweet.

I mean, that hole was fourth hardest today. It was Plan.2, three strikes over par according to data golf. Shout out to Sean Hsit. Brian A. There you go. A little catcher times about 10 positions. But yeah, it was, you know, 0.2 night a little bit, way too late last night, but we're talking about just what is it that makes great players great.

I think that there's something in them that they just, they don't, and all these guys probably think like this, but they just, like I don't think JT ever thought like I'm going to fail. Like he thought, I'm going fail like he thought I'm gonna F and win this tournament. Yeah like that's all he was thinking about and I but I but I feel like it's on a it's on a different level than other guys think it that's complete that might be complete nonsense but I just feel like because his careers had the trajectory that it's had that it's given him confidence to always think like that at every level, that I'm the best guy out here. And I know everybody thinks that, but he actually has the talent to back it up.

So when you combine the two, you went a major championship. And he didn't get, he hasn't been burned, obviously. He just don't wait. If he's always been super successful, like somebody asked him about speed, like, where you frustrated, he goes, no, that wasn't frustrated. I was just jealous. Like, I want that. But he's been there with speed. Kind of, and he has a major at 24.

It's not like he was Sergio and had like 15 years of scar tissue or anything like that. So he was DJ. I mean, 24. Sure. Sure. So young. So like, he can't say.

And he hadn't really been in the hunt until Aaron Hills, right? I mean, he didn't have a ton of starters. He had one other top 10 before Aaron Hills. I think he was T6 or 5 at Whistling Straits in 15, PGA, and all right. I thought that was one of the other top 10. It might have been, but no,

so I think, I mean, I think there were lessons learned probably at Aaron Hills. He probably thought he was going to win if at 63. I don't think it was much of a secret that he was really nervous on Sunday, on the broadcast, and people that tried to talk to him before the round, that how he looked pretty nervous. He just didn't have his stuff that day. He was out. Today started that same way. He went bunker off the tee on one green side bunker, blade it out of the bunker into a green side bunker, laying

three shortsighted in a bunker. Hadecki is putting four from six or seven feet, maybe four birdie. Hadecki misses. JT gets it up and down makes bogey and then birdies the next hole. And it was, it was on from there. I mean, I remember that first hole in Bogey and being like, okay, well, plans might have to change today. I might not be falling this group for 18 holes. That was a poor lapse in judgment.

Another example of me feeling like I'm too close to this. I didn't think he was this good. I mean, I knew he was really super talented. I didn't know he was this good. I mean, I knew he was really super talented. I didn't know he'd be this good. And he's had incredible season, obviously, but it was when he a major seemed really difficult to me. And really, something I didn't think would happen so soon. I feel like, guys like Ricky have been battling

to get to this stage for so long. And you just, I don't know, there's only four of these years so to win it, it's pretty remarkable but you and I were talking Porter and I were talking earlier or we were all talking about kind of your your what you wrote recently as well on what you think of his path like his path to getting here and I want to hear your take on it well I mean his trajectory has always been pretty much the same as spieth. If not a little bit better as a junior golfer, as an amateur golfer. You know, he wins the golf, what is it, the Haskins award, the golf

hysmann as a freshman at Alabama, and I just, the spieth like last two years is overshadowed what JT did as an ameter, but his trajectory is always, and I wrote this in December, I said, his trajectory has always been as a top thing all from the world. And it felt, I guess, weird to you because you were like close to it and you're like, you gotta talk me into this. You're like, you told me that you thought I was a little bit crazy for saying that.

And then he wins three times and he's number nine in the world, you know. And I don't know, I think that we've almost gone too far the other way of like, when you look at golfers, you think, God, so hard to win, it's so hard to do it. I think the learning curve is six years or 10 years or whatever. And so it's almost surprising when somebody does it that young. Yeah. It's just, I'm totally on board with what you've said about. It didn't make sense for speed to have two majors and JTW zero.

And it didn't make sense for speed to have three to zero. Like it's not comparable. Like you said, I mean, speed's obviously had a better pro career than JT today, but it's starting to even out. And I think there may be some people who would say, going forward, I mean, is that a fair question to ask, who wins more majors going forward between those two? I mean, I would say Speed would be my answer, but you both hesitated there for a second. Like, do you really thinking about it?

Would you probably wouldn't say that before this week, would you? Uh, no. No, before this week, you'd say, like, you know, speed could be come closer to tiger. Like, Tom, I don't know. You're right. They are like, it's a legitimate question. I think there will be like majors that kind of set up for Ron and majors that set up for another.

It was interesting here at Speed's Day this week. The PGA is going to be the hardest, I think. I'm not sure it sets up well for me. Maybe Thomas becomes like a PGA guy. It seems like he knows the Masters though, too. I think he's going to figure that equation out, too. I think he's gonna figure that equation out too. I think it's a legitimate question, it's hard, you know. It's hard to say.

Is JT the American Rory? That's gonna mean so many different things. The American McRib. The American, yeah. Put the Shirector Flates on. So I'm talking about Chef George or something like that. Rory went four majors by the time but by the age of 20. I don't I don't mean Yeah, I just mean in a super talent in the way that he plays big hitter. Yeah, PGA's You know I don't know I think speed is just gonna get not I

Walked the course on Tuesday and it was like, this is not a speed course. This place is not a speed course. Is she out of the pen sheet or no? I did not have a pen sheet, so I was kind of just lost out there just wandering around. But, no, I walk in, it's like a big theater that places it clearly, you have an advantage

if you hit the ball long off the tee. Whereas you walk Berkdale and you say, like you don't need to bomb it out here, you had to position off the tee course, you can spray it a little bit and be okay, but it's about your accuracy with your approach shots. And so I think there is always going to be a group of courses like maybe one or two majors a year that speed is not teed up very well. Maybe it is the PGA every year, but and but like Augusta is a as long as Augusta is you don't need to bomb and Augusta

You don't have to be straight. You don't have to be that straight You don't have to be super far down the fairway. Yeah, certainly to get close to those pins. So And it wouldn't be surprising to that Thomas, you know I mean within what six seven years. Maybe he's going for his own slam You know, maybe he has a master's in the USO, and I don't know if he'll, his game will translate well to the O, but like, this is within the realm of possibility,

and I know like we have, always have this recency bias after, after the guy just torches, of course, and plays the way he did. Like, you know, you could say the same about Metzai Alman. You could say the same about Keppka. Like, that's the thing, it's just so deep right now that you've got that speed magic that seems to emerge out

of that depth and differentiated. I think I was talking to Danny Willett too. A quick break to update you guys on what I mentioned earlier in the podcast that I am gaming the new Callaway Epic Sub-03 wood. This thing is lethal. You guys have heard me talk about the driver. I don't even actually need to play the driver that much anymore. This thing is rolling out 300 yards sometimes on me super impressed with the Epic 3 wood.

Also, I'm gaming the new Aprex Pro Iearns. I legitimately think these Iearns have reinvigorated my passion for the game. The way they carve through the turf is I'm like any iron I've ever played. Honestly, I'm hitting them so much better than any other iron I've ever played. So they also just came out with the Apex Black Iearns. They're back for a limited time and available for pre-order at calaway golf.com check that out now while you still can. I think I was talking more about like just style than I think like with with JT and Roy. Yeah totally yeah I mean that's not a dig at Roy at all like it's or or or JT like anyone would take either the you know I'd be called the American Rory or the Danish Rory

or the Irish Rory, anything is a pretty big compliment. So we just got a fourth for the pie. Come on in, we're live, we're actually live. Oh. Come on in, Sean Martin from the PTA Tour is joining the resident Japanese media expert because we do need to talk to Hideki here eventually, but first, you have to tell the story from number 10 today.

So JT is off the green, chips it up to, I think it was eight feet. He's got a pup for a birdie. He needs it to kind of take hold of the tournament, get it, really get in the mix. He puts it, hanging on the whip, obviously everybody saw, and I looked at, I looked at Solid and I said, that's gonna drop.

And like two seconds later, it drops, JT turns around, looks right at us, right at you, and just gives the MJ shrug. Which, I didn't know that. I saw the shrug, I didn't know it was right at you. Yeah. He looked right at us and then he found Sal and he goes, but he did that somewhere. Where else did he do that?

Where did he do that? He did it earlier in the year somewhere. Do you remember that? I do don't, but it's almost as good as the DJ by Husky screenshot I saw in the bus home. Okay. Alright, the bro hug with Jordan grabbing champions. We ran. We gotta tell that story, too.

Yeah. We'll get to that. No, the shrug is what he did. You know what he did? He did that at the players on 17th grade in 2015. Wow. I don't know why I got this remember here. But he did it at somewhere else this year. Yeah, that's his go-to move. That's his yeah

He had like a putt fall in the side door at the 17th of the players Yeah, and did the same thing like walked off and that was when he shot I think like whatever that was 63 that crazy round 65 final round was Saturday Maybe it's a fine round whatever, but yeah, he's that he's a he's got the shrug moved down Yeah, that was great. That was a great moment. I'm gonna need to add some moves to the arsenal, but yeah, he's got the shrug moved down. Yeah, that was great. That was a great moment. I'm gonna need to add some moves to the arsenal, but that's 40 shirts. So that fired him up, but he's been really straight

laced the entire day. He was acknowledging the crowd laughing about it, and then he goes in, nooks of drive on 11, crushes one on 12, and then pulled one on 13, and we're sitting there right just left to the green, chips it up, roll, I mean the greens are just so brutally fast. Rolls, rolls, rolls, rolls drops in the side of the cup and he let loose the biggest celebration I've ever seen out of him.

I mean he said he said he was the most bizarre he's ever gone on. Really? I mean he was pointing out of like 10 feet to go. Oh yeah, he started walking very early He had a subtle like underhanded like fist pump to didn't go big upper cut Yeah, it was it was it was a perfect so this moment as well So Sean is a big big Hadecki Matsuyama fan. I don't know where you let us say fan He's inside the road

I can say fan but there's a picture of Like everyone there's like the reaction. It's JT, like with a big fist pump. And I'm in the corner with just my eyebrows, Ray. It's like, did he seriously just hold that? And there's three, there's two Japanese guys next to me that look devastated. And then there's Martin who looks the most devastated

of anybody. Is that real? That's a real thing. I haven't seen the photo yet. We'll show you here in a second. But there is actually a photo of you who's looking devastated. JT just sold this chip.

I love, I like JT a lot. I go to 30 or 14. Who do you root for on the president's account? I've got to have some of my country. Japan? You root for the story. I mean, and I like Justin a lot. It's more of the natural contrain in me.

I think if everyone's going to write, I'm going left. And so I think, you know, he deckied. I don't think he gets as much love as he deserved. I always feel language barrier is tough, but so I just want to fly that, I guess flag. And he was going left all over the back. And that works well. Mark was walking the right side of the whole thing.

But this did feel, you talked about how there's not a lot of buzz to the event. It really felt kind of like a Hedecki kids in their battle for a while. Their like Thomas was just kind of playing like supporting Rolla Cunci out. You mean on Sunday? Yeah, up until like I don't know. I said 9. I said 9. I said 9. Yeah, it really like all right we're doing like this is gonna be like a Motsuama Kizner dance maybe in the last two groups you know Reed wasn't on the map and then

Thomas just kind of felt like he wasn't in it yet. I think when Justin made that put on nine it felt like the thing came alive Saturday was kind of dull. Yeah, Saturday guys Just the clip is on the TV right now This is JT chip again right now smart just being devastated. Oh, you're not in this shot, but I gave like a I had just come up because I came in at the turn. I had to get some hydration It's hot out there. Go to the hydration station Because I came in at the turn I had to get some hydration hot out there. You go to the hydration station. I did.

Some of my hair lights. Yeah. So I came out, they were walking to the green light I got out there. And just, I guess got there just in time. To hit for your heart. You should add it. We need to talk about the, the, a deck you hit Bernie next to your holes though, maybe.

We can, I don't get ahead of things, but. We needed you here to regulate the conversation, make sure that you got the right dues, but very Huzzle adjacent JT's three iron that he hit off the 14 key. I'm not going to call it a full shank, but it was Huzzle. It was close. It was very close. I didn't come over that phrase. I was re-indeed or somebody this week, but yeah, and then he chumped people, he forgot. He for 5-5-5-5-5. I didn't want to say. Since I went to say it, he chunked a 5-iron on 15, and he didn't birdie 14 or 15 like the only bird.

I got to step in here. The best part about the chunk on 15 was, Solley trying to justify it, saying, I was a pretty severe downhill rider. I mean, you know, I just, I don't know if he can have done it. He better than that. Missed it in the right spot. You know, let him, let himself and myself and down there for birdie. It's probably in a divot.

I mean, you couldn't see the lie. I worked out though. I made this land of droid, you know. It wasn't actually a little bit. Hideki, an amazing up and down on that. I hope you. landed right you know it wasn't actually all that. Hedecky an amazing up and down on that all too. Can we talk about the scene though? That's where it really started to get pretty wild.

Oh yeah. It was a gallery. People running around a security-oriented forum, shiver, a fan, keep up, JTN's caddy. The crowds cross-religit this week. I mean they were deep and it was kind of quiet up until today I thought. I just numbers. JTN. They were deep and it was kind of quiet up until today I thought it was I just numbers numbers. There was big numbers and it was

Let's just say it's there's not the kind of like masters Intensity about keeping the crowds under control like you can get away with a little bit here And like I saw a couple days where like people were just kind of meandering on the wrong side of the ropes. You know, milling about with the beverage in hand. Yeah, there was a beer inside the ropes for a couple whole fine. I don't need to just because I have a credential on. I'm not some, you know, first-class citizen.

They were, they were like, it was interesting, which was a little disconcerting. Yeah, big J journalist. I love, I loved it. I'd love to have the people inside the room. I want to read the Sean Martin tweet from, I think it was on 15. That was on 15. The normally Gentile citizens of Charlotte or beside themselves. Gallery numbers, clothes and pastel showing no regard for gallery rooms, no regard for human life. It did get kind of way, I mean, because people, anybody that was falling,

the Kisner group bailed on it. Yeah. And went, I kind of, I got to have a JT. I, I gotta say this, I, I felt bad for Kisner. I like Kisner. Yeah. I think he's a good player. I think he's an erated.

And it was just kind of like, is he still on the course? Like, it just, I don't know. I mean, for the Galrogs. Yeah. For another Stroud guy. That would have been an amazing story. I mean, you know, for no stride guy, that would have been an amazing story. Stride was struck out so distracted watching other people be nervous

that he forgot to plot and post the score. He didn't play bad. He just got distracted watching the other people. Was that what he said? Oh, well, I mean, we heard it. 400 times about how I'm not nervous. I'm just letting the trophy come to me

I'm here to watch other people be nervous. That's such a he forgot to play golf He was too busy watching on the beach. Yeah, it was it got a little bit anxious. Can we talk about Tigers tweet? What was aggressive? Yeah, kill house I'm glad Tigers back of the has fingers on the Twitter Maybe not the best was a scientific No, no that it's done away with that kind of formality. I think it's I think he's loose He's taking after the press you just he's just a loose kid and nine tablet rumors about his significant others He's telling out the felt his new Raiders pool felt that yeah, he said congrats JT way to rise above the carnage

And out execute everyone on that bag nine Yeah, I was shot a 17 car. It seemed a little strong I don't want to keep no one died out execute Oh, I'm told you guys this yet. I'll keep this one quick, but on our shuttle back to here, we hit a bike. Apparently somebody like fell off their bike and fell off to the side of the road, and we hit the bike, and we had to stop for like 20 minutes to make sure everyone's okay. Everyone's okay, it's fine. You don't have good luck in travel in general?

No, not 2017. No, that's bad No, not good. What's next? What are we missing? We talked about the shadow. We should go through 18, just like what he did on 18. Like if, I mean, kind of where he was at that point. And so he went for driver, and he gave a pretty long explanation as to why he's always up by two at the time. Went for driver and I gave a pretty long explanation as to why he's always up by two at the time Went for driver and said if I'm trying to hit a draw I miss the three wood is left and left would be in water. Yeah, so I teed the ball down low and kind of went to like my go-to shot

Which is like under pressure like a 90% more of flighted driver And he's like it just kind of scored a three yards right on me flighted driver. And he's like, it just kind of scored a three yards right on me. Three yards right. That's going to 90. That's what the question was kind of ass like where you really, yeah, what were you thinking hitting driver there? What was the thought process in driver? And it's kind of like, I mean, the private is the club that he thought it was the best chance to make a par. He probably thought he's still in the par there. Like you don't know what you can't assume you're bogey you're good. But I think

once you're the most questionable decision we saw in 18. He did. But he did say shadow tiger that when he tees it low the mist is on the heel into the healy spin fade which is hitting tiger. He says that. Oh yeah. The mist with the low driver is a high spinny fade off the heel. So that's why I bring water out of the way. That's so good. That's such a great quote. Healy spin fade.

Yeah. I thought once he was in the trap though and he sort of had to lay it like I thought that he played it really well. I don't. I was wondering if he knew like what what Kizner was doing. So we were walking up 18 Farrah. He stopped with, I don't know if he talked to Dottie Pepper. He looked at the broadcast screen in the middle of Farrah. So Dottie Pepper has a little screen that she's looking at. Not the app on this phone. We'll talk about the PJ ChiaVitchip app.

And he looks at it and I assume got some kind of update about it because after he boggy the hole, I mean, first of all, let's talk about he marked a six inch putt because he knew it was for the win. So, it did go from like, you know, five people being tied. There's like one shot within. It was one thing. Then kind of like, all right Thomas may burn out 17. It's his.

It was, it was, it was four tied, then five tied. Yeah. And then he chipped in on, or he was leaving by one and chipped in on 13. And that's when it was, it was with the two birdie holes in front. It looked like it was going to be over then, but he didn't birdie either of those. I couldn't get the, the vents gift pulled out.

It wouldn't load. The, the service was not good. Yeah, it's not good. You just sent a parenthetical or something. Yeah. I wanted to get Martin's take on Thomas' amateur and junior trajectory. I think we talked about it earlier. We did talk about it before you walked. You have better insight because you covered him. Yeah, we'll get it in a way. Clearly, I got this. I mean, we all talk about Leon. He's Jordan's speech good friend, which is kind of unfortunate because it really, I mean, it is, I mean we all talk about, you know, he's Jordan Speeds' good friend, which is kind of unfortunate because it really, I mean he's think about it, it's kind of a, I don't want to say his story, but I mean the guy's got five wins in the major now in 24.

But actually the best story of the day might have been his dad, they kind of asked, one was the first time he kind of knew the, you know, maybe he could close, especially I said, he was 10, he was was down three strokes and three to go in a junior tournament and he told the other kid in this group, all right watch this, this is what I'm gonna do to win, like lay it out every shot in the next three holes, did it and beat the kids. He just lay down. It's like texting Sally, I'm gonna win a major this year. Your born, your born, we'll get to that. You're born with the sauce.

You're born with the sauce. You don't learn the sauce. I don't know if this is sauce or not, but he wore pants in junior tournaments because he knew like pros wear pants. That is the definition of sauce. Like rooting for a 65 degree day so you can wear pants is sauce. That's where it comes from. It's too bad DJ is not here because there's the famous story that Justin wanted junior tournament. A big one when he was like 15 and DJ

was an intern at golf week, I was working there. And I was like, yeah, man, you're gonna have to call this kid to do the story on it, because I don't wanna do it basically. So winning the tournament gets him into the window when he's 16, and he makes the cut, he shoots 65 in the first round, when he's 16 years old. The first round, I don't remember that.

It's the first five in the first round. Oh yeah. Yeah. You're yawning your head cockily, like you knew this. No, I saw, I looked it up tonight, I saw it. Okay, I remember, I've heard first one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're yawning your head coccally like you knew that I saw I looked it up tonight. I saw it. Okay. I remember I've heard it in the past But it's it's weird how like we were we don't that's not as like high profile of speech like Nelson Yeah, Nelson as a His best

End of windom is hard when it was part 70 to go really low there's the first one There's probably 62 but still 65 and it's were minute 16. You don't have to you know, it's really good Yeah, and then actually the one year him and speed played college golf together Thomas was player of the year over speed It was probably 62, but still 65 in a two-minute, 16. You don't have to. You don't. It's still, it's really good. And then actually the one year him and Speedplay college golf together, Thomas was player of the year over Speed. Speed's from first, Thomas from pro-year later. But I mean, Thomas, like, do you feel like their

trajectories have been the same since they were juniors? It's hard to say. I mean, Speed, I mean, winning two juniors, like, only Tiger won multiple juniors. Thomas was runner up though, one year. They've been very close. They're running neck and neck. Speed thought as he separated himself

probably a little bit, you know, 2015, some of the earlier pro stuff. But a little bit. A little bit. But if you look, there was a list golf channel that had 24 years or younger to win four times this season of Major, it's Rory Justin, speed Jack Tiger. Like, that's it.

Yeah, it sounds like big spreadsheet, Justin Reyes behind that. That was definitely, there was a pivotator. HG Justin Reyes. Big Excel. But, I mean, if it wasn't for Jordan, I mean, Justin would be eight, like, that would be, that's the standard for 125. But, Jordan's just, it makes historic what he's doing.

So, he didn't have that with Tiger. Like when Tiger was doing all this nuts stuff, I don't wanna get an tiger stuff, but like comparisons, but like nuts stuff. No, no. But Tiger didn't have like another guy, he's, no, no, no. No, no, no.

His age, there was also like winning majors, right? You know. Tied trion. He's the tri winning majors, right, you know Tite trion Trion bull mart Charlie. Yeah, yeah, we were walking down Charlotte We were walking downtown Charlotte today or this week. I'm sorry. Yeah, and smart and just always you know on brand with obscure Golf or facts Amateur Any kind of any any kind of off of being found.

He's like, oh, this is Triumph Street. This is actually, from, comes from Ty Triumph's family. What do you do it? Off the, What's the fact of North Carolina? This is whatever. Divergence, we didn't need to go to. My favorite fact is that Ty Triumph and Jordan Speed

have the same agent. Ty Triumph has an agent? Well, no, no, had, had when it came out. It was the same agent the speed does now. Wait a second. What I got a question, what did you guys think of like the post, like the celebration basically, because it was weird in that you could like, the kids are selling the course, he could birdie 17 and 18, you don't really know what's going

to happen. Just what did you think of how everything played out? What did you think of, Spith and Ricky and Bud Colley coming out there? Just what was your take on that? I mean, it's kind of a thing we've become growing accustomed to now. These guys hanging around coming out. Do you like it?

Do I like it? I think so. I mean, I think it's cool. I don't like it. Just like I think it's cool. When Ricky won a Honda, Justin had missed the cut, but obviously it lives down there and he was practicing it somewhere else

and he came back to the course to see Ricky win. So I don't like any of you going to go old school on say it's too friendly that they should just be out of there and they should all be in front. No, I think that I think that it gets played up too much. Yeah, it's like, oh, this is so cool. I'm so excited. I think the phrase, good friend.

I mean, what's just friend, they're friends. The system to calories, it's candy for TV. It might be fun to camera. I mean, that's what it's like, but it is in this shot. It is cool. I agree. It gets overplayed, but it's like the guys that are kind of controlling the game right now in a sense are buddies

and looking out for each other. And they have fun with it. Like, Speed was super excited. You were more excited than JT. He really was. It was crazy. And like, that was legitimate. There was no faking any of that.

And so much of that is because he knows that JT doesn't get the credit he deserves because of what he's done. Right. I don't think you could say it's anything, but cool. That's a good point, right. And I thought Thomas said, like Thomas made like more macro point about it.

Like it's like representative, like where the game is right now. And how it's really cool. And how we're all, like we've come up a lot together. And we're, you know, doing a lot of big things together. And we're happy for each other. I know. It's, it's not some like grand thing about, we need to say about the game, but it's cool.

Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't think that, like I don't think it's bad. I just get, it just is what it is. And it gets like blown into this like, oh, this is some kind of. Well, it's just easy storylines, like they want to dig into like deeper stuff. There's always easy storylines. Like there's different layers of fans too.

So like someone just hooting in for a major, like those are the storylines. This is your ladder theory. Yeah, the fan ladder. We don't have time for that. That's a whole podcast probably. Well, we've already assumed he's getting invited back. That's even sat down. First time long time. But the celebration, it had to be subdued a bit.

Yeah. Because the Kisner is still coming up and it wasn't like Sign Sealed delivered. I don't know if he knew that Kisner didn't party 17 or not like it he said that he knew when he's on a third shot He knew that he was up three. He'd have to get on the green. Okay, so he knew it was over They played the Vince Jeff on the scoreboard. Well the real celebration came in the in the scoring area. Oh, afterward, you'd have to tell it. So we're standing out there outside the scoring tent. Everybody's just kind of milling about Ricky's speed.

They were talking to his dad. There's a big media scrimmer on his dad and the cat. And Jimmy. Jimmy. You're what Jimmy. Jimmy J. And JT comes out of, I don't know, I guess he was in scoring the whole time. he comes out and he just makes a beeline for

Sully and he he walks up to him and said I Have been told Joe's gonna win a major this year I didn't even remember him saying that I got totally legitimately forgot about it And like that was the like the first what he sees the first thing he says I told you I was gonna win I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that.

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What did you say like like you should be cursing? Because the mics did so it was this was all on camera. I didn't even know it at the time. That's great But I was the CBS the irony of me being on a CBS broadcast perhaps more than some of the some of the players this week What's the butt grab? I don't want to get you a joke with that line. What's that? Was the butt grab on tape to later? Was that live?

That was, this was a moment ago. This was a moment ago, I think. Um, but the audio does pick up him saying like the end of it, like major this year. Um, but yeah, it was, it was pretty fun. I think they might have, they might have muted the, the F bomb that came in it, but that was, it was pretty fun. That was pretty fun button, right? I think they might have muted the F-bomb that came in it, but that was pretty awesome. On his way to go get his want to make a trophy. And then you tweeted a screenshot of the text.

You went back to April 20th. He's like, it was after the Master. There's only three left. You went in and he's like, I am going to win him. That's even better. I'm going to win him into this year. I'm not sure how many or which one Three way

I'm gonna win any of the actually tournament so that are what they are It's almost one two. We almost won the US. I mean close on Sunday, but Yeah, that was that was pretty hilarious. Good way to cap it, but quail hollow impressions overall quail hollow TPC quail was a good Impressions overall, Kale Hallum. TPC Kale was a good, I thought it was. I know, I know, leave the room.

No, no, I'm just trying to stir things up. I don't really think that. It was fine, it was cool. I mean, I think it seems like a cool club. Course seems, I like, you know, we did end up with some variance on the leaderboard. It wasn't just this like total bombers fast. We had, you know, K did end up with some variance on the leaderboard. It wasn't just this like total bombers fast We had you know, Kisner in there Frankie

Who's that? Yeah, I'm going to say the the mullinari brother was in there like we did No, I mean, I remember looking at the board and taking note of that. Like, hey, we do have some variety here. I enjoyed it. I mean, it got, like we said, Saturday was just kind of, it was so dull. The big, the back nine is cool. There's a lot of kind of like risk reward.

There's some short part four. I like the back nine. It's great. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, I, you know what else is, I'm talking a lot of like non-architecture areas, but that scene at 18 was awesome. There was a legit amphitheater, it was reminiscent of the travelers, but twice the size,

when you get there. That sounds like we didn't have an air in hills with grandstands pretty far back from the airing. So I thought it was cool for for a major it was hot, but You know it it worked fine. I wouldn't say it was I Was totally in love with the place. I think it was penal enough He had to ball start it well And that's why kids are light up to three rounds

But I think the one take that I really like the greens were for how slow they are were too fast So guys are just trying to put I mean even Hadecki after H.I.64. He's kind of like Sorry, sorry to back even Hadecki after HOT 64 he's kind of like The puddle. Sorry to back in Hadecki. Wait, what were you using Hadecki? It is like a barometer for a great putting. No, no, no, nobody said that it helps me. The greens are so fast that I'm not trying to make some of these puss and then it's happened to go in. Yeah, so his secret of making it is not making it. But basically you've had guys two putting all that. That's why Saturday I think was kind of slow. Yeah. Is you're just trying to two pouting, you're trying to make cars and then take advantage of the short one.

Why did they do that? Did they, did anybody ever? Adam Scott had a good point today. He's like, as severe as the greens are, there's just not that many accessible whole locations that you could find on those greens. So I think that either slow up a little bit, soften them up maybe a little bit, but.

They were, I remember seeing Ricky Hadishot yesterday on four, which four is, supposedly it's the worst hole out there and it was supposed to go to get imploded. But it hit like a seven iron eight iron it's not a not a big hit yesterday it lands on the green and it looks not like a hit pavement but it bounces above knee high like just a normal like a high-lofted shot like it's just not happening I know firm is what people want and you know if it's too soft It's just guys throw darts in there whatnot, but it was like a bounce that should just not ever happen And that's there's way too much of that this week. I thought it was a good news fine for pga

Probably have another pga down the road. I think it might be a cool like match play course Like you know what they're gonna do a presence cup here. You gotta cut the rough. They wanna try and do a rider. Yeah, you probably rerout it. You want some more of those back nine holes, guaranteed to be in the matches. I think it's cool for that. No, I don't want it for match.

It was fine, I just don't want it for match play. It was crazy, I thought it was, I think you were gonna look back at it. I'm not from the South, but I thought, it was you know, I don't see a ton of vermita, but it was, it was, like some of the, it it was unique. I don't see a ton of vermita, but it was extremely unique. I'm writing a lot about this for tomorrow. It's only like two inches. It's very short, but I mean it just wrecks your entire attempt to eat it up. Any kind of precision or I was really struck me this way. And you can't have that.

You don't want that for a match play. What did you think of Quill? Chris. So on TV, I knew they changed the greens. I didn't realize they added Bermuda grass everywhere. I didn't know that until last night, I think. Because in TV, it looks like amazing stunning. And the ride grass just looks better on TV than Bermuda does and that's when I get there

It's kind of like I mean, yeah, you can tell nobody has played this golf course in a long time So it's in perfect condition But it just doesn't look that that beautiful that Bermuda rough just doesn't look that good And so it wasn't like the the lush scenery that I was expecting it to be I I thought the front nine is okay. The changes were not well received and I kind of maybe your kind of not brainwashed a bit just hearing guys kind of rip on the changes for the first few holes. They made some good things. The fifth hole now is like a pretty nice dog like right par four but it's just weird the place where the dog leg is. You can't even cut the dog leg off. It's just kind of the hole just turns to the right and it's

There's just I don't know the front's kind of imperfect But the back nine there's like not a bad hole out there. I mean, it's it's honestly so fun to watch those guys play that back nine 11th hole was grand dog leg left and 12 goes way downhill through these like these two little trees that define it 13th is a cool part three with like a big amphitheater for the fans. 14th, tribal part four. 13th was awesome. Yeah, I thought 13th was cool. 15th is great, the part five, and then the green mile, which is thank you for pointing

out the other, it's called that, bring her to that. It's okay. It's a bit overrated, I think. 16th is overrated, I think 16th is not a great hole, but 17th. Yeah, I think the holes aren'trated, I think 16 is not a great hole, but 17 is. Yeah, I think the holes aren't perfect, but I like that the last five holes, you're not thinking about making, you could possibly not make a par on the final five holes. You had birdie 14, 15 and the last three holes, bogeys are very much in play. I think 16, yeah, it's weird that at the balls above your feet with the water on the left

and you're kind of, you know, Rory takes over that bunker all the time to really, that runs out so quickly that I feel like if you're taking over that bunker, you're kind of, you know, Rory takes over that bunker all the time, really, that runs out so quickly that I feel like if you're taking over that bunker, you run it and getting in a really small spot. Yeah, just a bunker. Do we have any McRib takes? Well, he's playing hard. Yeah, I think it's hard to like, yeah, you have to reassess it. You know, playing hard, you can't kind of give him the full grade.

You can't like grade him fairly or accurately if he's numb in his left arm or whatever you're saying. Yeah, that sounds intense. You know when he's not chatting up solid and everything. You know, I'm giving Tron. Yeah, we need to tell the Tron. You need to tell the Tron story. So this was Saturday afternoon. Tron and I are just kind of roaming around the grounds and we meet up with McRib on the 12 Your calling now and now it's in great. Well, I had I'd asked him. I was like all right So McRib nickname are we cool with this? He's like, are we cool? I like it. I like it and then so we're on the 13thth hole as part three and we're kind of laying back and mining our own business and Rory crosses the bridge.

And then like, wait at the end of the bridge for Tron and I to cross the bridge. Now we're going 13? Yeah, OK. And he just goes, so are you Tron? And he's like, yeah. And then he puts his arm around him and kind of like hugs him with it and like shakes him a little bit.

He's going to friendly way. He's like, so you're the one that christened me the McRib, huh? And like, Trump's like, yeah. And he's like, I actually quite like it. And Trump's like, well, you better because it's not going anywhere. But so he emboldened Rarri's. Well, the source of it was Robert Lusetettich made, called him the McRib once and we, so Tron started making fun of Lucettich, calling him McRib.

And that's the source of it, so Tron did not come up with it, but it is definitely popular for the nickname catching on. I already definitely responsible for it catching on. I think there's been a little too much. I try to like give Rory a fair shake, You think I'm a fan boy? I am probably a high-piper. But you know what? There's been, there's like, I need to come with some backlash to the backlash. Yeah. Like hating the haters? Yeah. Fuck that. He won the FedEx Cup less than a year ago right he's been hurt all of

your cast got a lot done I'm done with this you know like so what he didn't win a major this year because he's been hurt a won the FedEx Cup a year ago less than a year ago for you 10 million fuck I mean it's not like he's you know fallen to like 60th in the world and he hasn't won this year. He's been hurt He's had limited opportunities. He got married. What's that got married? He changed equipment like five times I have I have a theory about how I'll play with your wedding rain on. Oh my god. I was waiting for this actually I noticed he'd play with it and I actually don't think this way. I do it. I haven't heard your theory yet But I import take I don't know how you yet, but I import take

I don't know how you play with your wedding right now. This is like important stuff I feel it. I would I would lose it If there's like a little spot in your bag I just put it in there. You like JP I guess now JP's No longer with us, but uh. You know, have Harry keep the range? No way. I feel longer on the verge of a roll. What happened to JP? I mean, I don't...

I think it's throwing off the weights maybe on it. It's putter. You know, he's got a little too much extra out there. Yeah, he can't do it. Is it a real thing or this is just a joke? I think it's a joke. I'm talking to myself. It's not exciting to be in that.

I don't know whether or not it's real or a joke. It's a joke. It's a workshop. I saw the look at his eye. I'm done with the backlash to the backlash. I'm with you. The backlash is it's like he finished top five in the open and bridge dome coming in. Right people are like, ah, we're see he sucks. He's got to win five times a year. He's just finished top tie five to tournaments in a row. I think guys would make it look so easy. We always are harder on them. Yeah.

Because they make it look so easy when it's on. Everything shifted when he won four majors by 25 and to think that this is the path that he should maintain at all times. It happened last year with speed at age 23 when he didn't win a major. That, you know, it was what comparing 2015 to 2016 so it's not golf is hard we don't need to I mean maybe you know we got a little scared away oh

can't carry away her Twitter that one I just I don't know it's like I'm willing to chill out yeah this isn't 2013 Rory this isn't like he's not missing a ton of cut I know he missed a couple in Europe this year, but I don't know It's not good when he says you may not see me until next year. It's really not good except for maybe content because he's gonna be a lot of free time But yeah, I was in that hinting teaser, other than that professional move your full time Yeah, he finished I would do that. I think you finished first in driving this week and 70th and putting. And it's just, I mean, you watch him on that course, which I know all of us did.

And he's carrying all these bunkers and like, he's hitting, you took, it was like a Walmart Super Center between him and Omar Euresty on Saturday. And then he just doesn't score. and it's got to be like I think it's frustrating to watch it's got to be frustrating to him that he's like I'm like 90 yards out I'm making par or like missing a green and making a bad bogey and it's just it has to be I'm interested to see if he just goes into the offseason and it just works on a wedge for like three months, you know, and just tries to tighten that up because he just has a score better.

He's hitting it fine. He just needs a score better. To me, he hits the ball really high, like almost unnecessarily high. And again, I'm not a coach, I don't necessarily say. I don't think like you need to lower your ball, like be more successful. It just seems like there's a lot of room for error when you get the ball going as high as he hits it and with as much arc as he puts on. It's not a ton of arc, but it's like, how do you, how do you, how do you change that?

I don't think he's going to do natural. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I would imagine so, but it just seems like we're, you're going, if you're, if your start lines are not right when you're trying to move the ball from right to left and almost every shot I've watched you did, I feel like he moves right to left. And it just never felt like the ball was starting the right spot. I watched him do a memorial last year

and the ball looked like it was on a string. It was not, I feel like it was going lower than it currently is, but he was in total control of it. I'd like still going right to left. It was going right to left, the left, but you just felt like when he was lining up over a ball, it's like, I know where he's going to start this and I know where it's going to finish. And I just, the little bit that I got to see in this week, I didn't have that feeling. Yeah, again, and it's not, he's not totally out in the ordinary.

I think very well could be. I mean, if I, he's been pretty mum about it, to be honest. I mean, he's, every time I ask about, he's kind of like, eh, you know, it's okay. I didn't realize it was as bad as this. I thought it was interesting. He said he hadn't had his trainer look at it in a while. Like, he had just been kind of managing it and like trying to get through the PGA

and then have him look at it next week. So, I mean, he's just, I don't know. Well, so I don't want to have your trusted medical people, but I don't think flying to you, nobody in Iowa, I don't think flying to Northern Ireland was planned between now and the first playoff event but I don't think what Ireland to get checked out is pretty serious. He says he's doing that and he's right now yeah it's heading to Ulster. He's heading to Northern Ireland. Yeah he's in the air. On the air McR Yeah. I'm not sure I can believe that, because Sali's here with us.

I assume he'd be on the plane. No, Sali states I know permanently. Oh, that's right. I'm back, baby. Come home. I'm back. Sali, we're again in the keys, so you can hear me. I'm out of the door.

What else? Any other major storylines from this year? Do we have, do we have, are we ready to start picking masters for next year? I know we got it wait I just can we talk about how good the last well 2017 major winners and like the last four years yeah Who's the worst I mean? Is this a question? Yeah, it's I guess I know we hate doing it, but is it is it will it is it Jimmy Walker? I mean I know we hate doing it, but is it is it will it is it Jimmy Walker? I? Mean Walker is developing a pedigree. I feel that the guys got wind disease I think yeah, we have over consideration and will it's got a back and that's the hard part is well

It is that's what I'm saying like will it's still really young like Walker's older or like I walk her head like a six times in like a He's one like more over the last three years than JT has, I think, and JT. I mean, I know that Walker's older and whatnot. Yeah. But it's just, um, it's got to be, I don't know. We shouldn't probably make it. We should, yeah, it feels dirty.

It's a good day. With the amazing, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why I brought that out. I just think, we talked about this earlier about how we were all at the Ryder Cup and how amazing that week was. And just that that can't be talked about. Well, we got to see and the energy and stuff. I did not feel that Saturday, but today I felt that same thing of like, I can't believe what we're watching right now.

It's like, I'm one thing after another. And it's kind of a, I don't know if we owe that to the PGA of America, but it was kind of like, good to answer. I was like, I crushed it. I was thinking about it out on the course and obviously I wasn't at the open. I was in there first piece, Eagle Putt, obviously. But I was thinking like that that chip in on 13 was kind of I think maybe the it's hard to say the biggest like whole out biggest moment like unexpected make since the the re-roar thing on the 8th of the ride or cut for me in person. Like I did, like it just had that kind of feel to it. Obviously it wasn't as, I don't know the stage, it wasn't as like insane with the back

to back, but it didn't, it was just a whole lot, it wasn't like this 10 foot putt, it wasn't like nine where he made a big putt. It was a whole lot from off the green. It kind of shined I think. I think that's like the biggest and loudest shot I've heard in person since that re-borrow. A lot of those moments were lacking this week. But there wasn't like another huge, but no aces this week, right?

Juice. Oh, Uncle Juice. Okay. One hop to dinner. It's just, it's really a coronation. There's people everywhere. They're so high for JT. They wanted to win. They're running to catch up.

That was crazy. He's pulling off shots. I mean, 17. He's staring down at club twirls. Like, those alpha. And there's people just everywhere. He's winning his first major, like 24. I don't know, like it was just the way you want to guy

to win a major, like walking up to Pack 18, walking up, like you're earning it, not someone else blowing it. Yup. It's amazing clothes to amazing major season again. I mean, he owns, he kind of owns the crowd in a way. Like that was kind of speedy in there. Maybe it's because he's from Kentucky,

went to Alabama, we were in Charlotte. I I mean that's like just making a facile narrative there was a lot of time but to fleetwoods from Southport right I mean that's just like an easy narrative to say but like you couldn't walk you know more than two seconds without just people screaming JT JT roll top and chanting J No, no, no, no, no. And chanting JT is the key. He cannot make team, which was cool. Yeah, whether he has a major yet or not, or has this long history, he's like pretty big superstar. Maybe some of that's like, he's a personable, enjoyable, social media person, you know.

I think it's so interesting, like, and we can do a whole other podcast on this, but like what makes somebody a superstar? And and like why is he a superstar and not Kevin Kissner Kevin Kissner is one two three times on tour yeah like it it's people love you that sounds like a debate for skip and shanet how do you define superstar I think I mean part of people love you because now it's like well sure you got a major 24 he could win X But then of course I get crazy and we're say like why you know, why is he on a major? Yeah, you're from now. It's only you I think you's a big part of it Because of a 38-year-old guy when just first major it's a good story on the other end because he's finally got that first major

Yeah, but my D8 is like JT and JT's got a better track record already than Kisner Okay, so yeah, Kisner gets overlooked a lot. What about what about like us included? Fowler what about Fowler? Fowler's not like super young I mean he's young. He doesn't have a ton of wins, but he's like a perennial But what you just big like a big prospect. He was a good college player like you I don't know. He's got a lot of winning. I guess what I'm saying is like what? I'll just ask that question like why is like Fowler's a really good player obviously.

Like I think he's sort of underrated and overrated. He's wearing a Oklahoma State Golf at right now. He's a Thursday 4th. I gotta tell that's right. I'm following. I get out there on Thursday. I flew on Thursday morning. Shout out to the Allen Shipnuck plan. Yeah, and for a major league. For a full shipnuck.

Yeah. Rolling in with the balls already in the air, practice rounds are for, you know, the golf balls in the air is what he meant for the record. Martin Space just went ghost white. So I get out there and I realized I had an Oklahoma state add-on inside the ropes, falling foul. And or sunglasses. Not good. Thirst, the thirst is real. It was so bad.

The orange could have been more or less. The bigger fanboy than me. I didn't wear an orange. That's a little, it was just, it was an under armor. It was speed, it was for speed. Yeah, you had P, had to tell. Oki State had light belt. It was not good.

But yeah, I don't know, I guess I'm just curious about like why, yeah, some guys are super sharp and some aren't. I mean, Fowler is not, he's good, but he's not like, you know, he's not on the same like path as like a speed or a JT or whoever My favorite Randy take ever about foul Randy's it Randy's it a Ricky truth or if you will said Ricky's got work to do to have Barton Kymers career. Yeah There are a lot of people more popular and with higher profile the Martin Kimer have a lot of work to do it Yeah, Martin Kimer's career. Yeah, the forget man

Martin Kimer's in a Kind of like him it's kind of like Louie. Oh, I'm gonna Louie having no am major now to run her up and all four majors I am this is players the sham and You know what you know, it's the best like he just doesn't even care I don't know. Well, he is tweet. Yeah, it's amazing. He made him like a million bucks today Like you can't be that upset. Gonna go buy some new tractors. He's like I got to do the math Seven wins from five majors or seven swings from five majors. All right on that anything else that we missed major I

'm sure we're his partners All right on that anything else that we missed major I hope to take a long time to be in all majors Who on the I wonder who won the on brand? I think I think you only came out of major Yeah, Brooks not getting their Brooks finish like t13. Oh Yeah, that's like that's like 10 straight top 25s and majors It's absurd Brooks is his major record is insane. Yeah, by the way, speaking of Ricky 7th top five at a major this week. Wow 7 top 5s. I think they're all T5s. Him strutting off the green here after slapping his girlfriend in the butt too That was like Tony. He's just about Justin Thomas. Yeah Good podcasting Yeah, I don't know that's I think part of what makes him a superstar is kind of he's got a little bit of that kind of Thomas. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, But I don't know, he's got all that swagger. Masters? Masters?

We got eight months. So wait, I mean, you don't want to do windom picks, right? I don't know if the president's cup actually. I have to. I mean, that team's going to be really interesting. New US is going to destroy them. I know, the international has worked to do. Sorry, yeah.

Sorry, Becky. Masters, I mean, it's hard to think about. Yeah, every year from next 20 minutes. There is a win for them. There is a web.com tour per prop that I have my eye on. That might be by come next April. It means Omar your rescue. Yeah.

Yeah. Full time web tour professional. I don't know if he could hate on the heat of Georgia and April. That guy, he was perspiring out there. I swear he was trying to drive it in the shaded areas just to get a little break for the sun. Can you imagine that?

It's like, well, there's more shade over there. I'm going to draw this one into the shadows. It was hard watching that pre-shot roots. I was first the record only watching him because he was playing with Rory That pre-shot routine and that like little hitch. He doesn't worry hits it was just it was it was It was painful to the soul like years of my life were lost is I'm watching him try to swing trophy presentation Great. Yeah, you got booed. Oh, we did? That's why I saw the tweets and he got booed. That's wrong.

People were angry. He's out of town. I tweeted about him a couple of times. People were spotted with vulgarity. I mean, that would not happen. It was like the integrity of the club pro game runs deep. All right, let's wrap it on that. I think after i did the first

podcast with jt i said i joke to them that he was not allowed back until he won an event he won a Malaysia and then after you did that i said all right you're not allowed back until you win a major we can now finally record part three and i'll find whenever you read yet now after that he's not allowed back on part four until he wins the slam but Martin thanks for your first ever appearance Long time, wasn't there a bit tardy but Poor at thanks for the hospitality in the hotel room Porter thanks for appearance number 35 on the podcast

Day one thanks for having the bottom hour here cheers boys good night Peter right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different?

I Expect anything different