No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 99: Rory McIlroy, Part II

Episode Date: September 20, 2017

In Part II of our conversation with Rory McIlroy, we touch on his caddie situation, handling fame, fashion regrets, how much he plays for in his recreational rounds, who he would trade places with if... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 99: Rory McIlroy, Part II appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We've been telling you guys about it and the guys from scratch did not disappoint. The Askernish episode of season two of Adventures of Golf is here. I just watched it on Twitter and it is fantastic. It is a spiritual experience. They travel out to a remote island west of Scotland and rediscover an old Tom Morris course that was once lost. Swing by the scratch Twitter page and check it out for yourself. Better than most! All right, welcome back to part two of our interview with Roy McElroy. Hopefully you guys enjoyed part one.

Part two is a bit longer. It's a bit more free-flowing and a lot more random questions. So I hope you enjoyed the stories and thanks a ton for tuning in. What's something that you would ask in general about golf media? Like what something you'd say, why do you guys do this? Why is this a reality or why is this what you guys say? It can be towards us or it can be towards golf media in general. It could be anything.

I would say. Why? I feel like golf media tried to make, well, they made, try to make rivalries for a start, you know, oh, you know, and they, they try to, they always try to, to try to bring the previous era back into the conversation. I think one of my favorite quotes of years was, you know, I think two or three or four errors have passed kind of since my last era. Yeah, exactly. It's the era's thing and the constantly comparing achievements of this generation

with generations in the past, because it's a completely different game. JT shoots 63 at Aaron Hills and all of a sudden they're, let's go to Johnny and the, or you know, or you know, he didn't, what, yeah, he wasn't at the booth, I guess, his fox, but, but you know, but they're always bringing these players back. And like golf

is such a nostalgic game. And every person that grew up with golf will think that that generation is the best because you know, there's no skill involved in golf anymore. It's just bomb your driver and that, and that's the thing that I would. And that, I don't think that's just golf media. I think that's just golf fans in general. Yeah, it's just a, and trying to compare, okay, who was better, like Tiger Jack or what, you know, it's just, you can't compare them. Right, just come. Everything's changes.

Yeah. So not trying to lob up golf media to get punched on. So what, and not take it ourselves. What are we wrong about? What are the things that we say and do at No Laying Up that we're just off on? You can be hard on us, we'll take it. You're off Twitter now, so you don't even see what we do when you're doing it.

I don't see much. No, I mean, again, I love this new wave of golf media. I've said that from day one, I think it's a massive tool in bringing a new audience to the game that wouldn't have watched it before and actually make it fun and interesting and, you know, it's what the younger generation want to see. I mean, I think sometimes they don't understand the you guys maybe I think you do know because you alluded to it earlier, but don't don't understand the obligation, the corporate obligations and stuff like that that players have to, you know, abide by and go through and stuff.

Because as I said, it is a business and it's You know you're sort of restricted and stuff you can do what you can say I mean we went through it like it earlier this year with a couple of things Yeah, I would have never thought of yeah exactly and I neither neither would I neither would I yeah, but then you know You get an email. It's like okay, maybe we shouldn't have done that or said that or but you know You just you would never realize Yeah, it's like, okay, maybe we shouldn't have done that or said that or, but you know, you just, you would never realize. Yeah, it wasn't until, yeah, I won't rehash it. No, no, no, no, we don't need to. But it's fun, it's comments that get made, you know, rumor just having a free flowing

conversation of the course of an hour that you would never think that would have a reaction to it, but, you know, someone has a stake in this being said and it kind of can snowball on you. Yeah. Who is somebody that we like either no laying up or whatever gives too much of a hard time to that you actually kind of like? You like Kutcher though, do you? Yeah, I mean, as a trauma as a trauma gets on

Kutcher, he's a very waffling. Yeah, Kutcher. But I mean, we just he's just as a trauma gets on to make fun is a very waffling But I mean we just he's just kind of easy to make fun of I don't nobody dislikes Cooters, okay, okay, I mean It's I mean coaches the mind. Yeah, we've been rooting to this a lot on Twitter and stuff But I'm sure you can validate for us that coaches the low key funniest guy. He doesn't have a filter It's like what it comes into his brain. We saw it at the pro amp are you really he had little gray goose oh yeah I'm sure I he jokes made there's out borders on all yeah I there's a couple but I know of that yeah I can't yeah I'm not saying I'm on here but no so there's so for us there's there's there's different levels

of like dislike there's a couple guys I put in, I can't stand this guy in any capacity. There's a group bucket of guys that are just kind of, I don't want to say fun to make fun of, but I fun to tease about and make jokes. No, I think the ones that you genuinely dislike are there's merit to that. Okay, I thought you were gonna throw us PULTLY BEG PULTLY. Okay, yeah PULTLY. I love PULTLY. I can see how PULTLY can rub people up their own way. Okay. But, so I have a foot on both camps, I guess, but I can see that.

And I was of the same thought process as you were until I got out on tour and I actually started to spend time with them, getting a ride to cup teams with them. The guy's an absolute legend. He is solid, he's a family man, obviously loves his cars, likes to show it off. He's been successful, going from being an assistant club pro at whatever, however old he was, and buzzered in England to be in an all star in the writer cup and making this life for himself. He should be proud of himself. And if he wants to show off his cars in the world, great. So I think it's in his own way.

I think if, so the few times I've been around him, I think it was this like in Scotland at the Pro Am party or whatever, like I was around him and he was hilarious. Yeah, he's really laughing. And I was like, this is not what you shine through on social media. You're getting in your own way. You talk about this all the time.

Social media helps so many people more than it should and it really hurts so many people more than it should. Some people don't necessarily know how to do it. You quit. Don't put your arms out. You quit. Me? Oh yeah, no, I wasn't talking about that.

I'm talking about like other guys I mean there are guys who have no personality who just happened to you know get it right on Twitter And everybody thinks of the funniest guy ever and Polter might be the epitome of that because you know I've had great experiences with him. I've had bad experience with him, but by large. Yeah, he's pretty good I don't have a bad thing to say about Paul T's. It's just on Twitter. So yeah, I guess I guess Paul should be the one, but but I can totally see why you could, you know, you can rub people up the wrong way. But there's also, I mean, it's kind of the funny to me how there's guys will

give a hard time that, you know, can take it and like it and appreciate it. Like we've made jokes about you in the past. Of course, all the time. I mean, if you kind of like it yourself, that's something a lot of people can't. And so yeah, sometimes we are kind of on tiptoes when as we walk around, just, you know, I have no idea what so and so thinks me because I've made this joke online or whatever,

but some people take it really well. I think the epitome of this might be someone like Zach Johnson who, you know, I'm sure you can attest also is you know He's like the nicest guy in the world But we're called no laying up. Yeah We're gonna make fun of you for laying up like you literally won the masters by laying up I don't dislike you he blocked us on Twitter and I've never tweeted at him once. I had no idea why but that's one Yeah, some people don't take the jokes very well, which is what it is, I guess.

But what do you miss most about a previous time of your life that's no longer the reality now, but just something that you're like, you know what? I miss doing that. I miss this. I mean, being like 18, 19, 20 again, just going out, like getting hammered with your mates and not worrying about like a photo of your social media or like stuff like that. And even there's some stuff, like there's a photo out there of me like chugging a, or chugging jagger mice throughout the bottle.

And like, you just send a bunch of people Googling that photo. Yeah, no, no, no, that's true. Exactly, yeah. So I'm one of them. Yeah, exactly. So like even though that for. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no you've just started to make some money, you can go and like do whatever basically. I'm not really have a worry in the world about being photo or being in the paper the next day or yeah. Alright, so that's a feeling that almost no one will ever get to experience or maybe

have to experience. What's it like when you go to dinner or party or you know, is that in the back of your mind like the whole time you're... I would say my peripheral vision is better than most. I sort of notice a lot of things just happening and I'm very good at pretending like I don't see someone that recognized me because I'm very good at it because I kind of want you make eye contact. Yeah, I just sort of, I guess I, not that I don't acknowledge them, but if I stop and say hello and whatever, it takes me just that much longer

to get them IT able or eat my dinner or whatever it may be. So that's sort of, that's it, you sort of, it's sort of like a guard, but it's, people are waving at you. You're just trying to live your life as if you would, if no one knew who you were. That's sort of what you try to do. And people are so much less subtle

than they think they're being. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much true. I mean, yeah. There's a really nice way to do it. And then there's the people that just do, or get a bit intrusive and whatever. But I had this kid come up to me. We were in a sushi place last night.

And he was, you could tell he was really nervous. And I'd followed you on the course today. I'm really sorry to interrupt. I saw that you've just ordered. I didn't want to interrupt your dinner. And I just loved to have a photo. And I said, yeah, of course. It's totally fine.

So that's, but then the people that are there and they sort of appear over your shoulder trying to take a selfie It's like no, please don't do that. There's got to be a difference between the people that treat you like a human and the people that treat you like a famous person Yeah, and that's probably it right there like you said just you're just an object of my picture right now Let's take this versus you're a human you just ordered dinner. Do you do mine if you take two? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's just and there's it there and it's a it's a you know, still trying to come to the CM like they're still trying to get the same result right but there's two different ways to go. You meet so many people. I'm sure day to day that there's got to be one really kind of weird interaction that sticks out to you like an awkward

fan interaction you know. So we did this thing. I'll say this because you're gonna maybe cover the Asia swing of the, you know, spoiler level announcement. So, but anyways, you're gonna go to Asia. You're gonna do a little Asian adventure. So that's where something breaks your news. Yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry. You can edit that out.

It's fine. So, it was, it was myself, Ian Polter, Lee Westwood, Lee Yang Wencheng. Was that it was just the four of us? Might have been just the four of us, and we did a thing in 2011 called the China Challenge. We did seven cities and seven days in China. And I'll never, we landed at some city, we went to the golf course and we sat down to have some lunch. Just the, there might have been like six or seven of us at a like a wrong table.

But literally like there was a ring of security guards around our table and like people everywhere trying to like get underneath their arms, jump over them, like just trying to get something signed. And it was the most surreal thing I have ever been a part of in my life. It's like, you know, it was already like an animal in the zoo, or, you know, something was just like, this is crazy, absolutely crazy. So you got that to look forward to when you go over that.

I don't think that's gonna happen to me. But, um, but yeah, I, I mean, one on one's and stuff, not, I mean, not really and stuff not I mean not really anything How much cash do you carry on you? None like literally none. I spent the last $20 in my wallet on a Starbucks for you guys You're welcome. What I guess we can bend for you for that, you know, yeah, we can pay you back When you go out to dinner, do people just, like if you're with a group, do people just assume that you're gonna pick up the check?

Is there a dance that goes with that? I'll get it, I'll get it. You know, not with my friends and stuff, no, because they, they'll always offer and always, which is great. There's some other, they'll definitely grab. But I look, if we're at a nice restaurant And we've had like a nice ball of wine. I'm not expecting them to pick up the top for whatever it's going to be

But if we're going to somewhere that's like a little more say that bill comes to a hundred bucks or whatever You know I They'll more more than happy to so it's not but yeah, look there's some people that maybe I don't know it's, it's always a weird one, but I'll always offer to pay. It's not like, I'll, I'll be the first one to put my credit card on the table and just sort of take care of it. If you were to do, create like a, like a six to eight week tour through the British Isles, let's say there's tournaments that go through the British Isles, what courses would you put in the Rota? Mm.

Are we including? Let's just, I mean, you can just, you can just, Ireland, Scotland, or the British Isles, yeah. Okay, yeah. All right, I would, I would start, I wouldn't start at Sinanders,

I'd probably finish at Sinanders, it's probably the most, you know, it's a nice way to bring the trip to Climax. I think in the British Isles, the further south you go, the worse the courses get. Okay. Maybe some of the parkline courses are on London and stuff are really nice, but you go anywhere south of that.

It's not very good. So, I mean, you've played more than I have. I haven't played a lot of the really good courses. I just play where the tournaments are, but. I don't think there's many I've played that you haven't played. So obviously all of the open-rooted Trin, Termbury, Murafield. I haven't played Termbury since it's been re,

but it's supposed to be legit. Like, you know, for a lot of Trump's, you know, short falls, he's pretty good at getting a golf course the way it should be. You brought him up. So... So on that topic. Hey, he does golf course as well, can I say? So.

But anyway, so, term-ray, Trun, Mirafield, Sinandruz, Berkdale. Berkdale's sneaky good. I loved it this year at the open. I just thought it played really good. It's so fair. I've never seen Lynx Farroway's as flat. So that's why it makes it so fair.

It's like you hit something in the middle of the fairway. It's going to stay there. It's not going to run off ends at PopBunk, or go into the rough, or, you know, so I love that. I love courses that, from a professional standpoint, that make you guys think off the tee. Yeah. And Burkdale is an exercise of the brain. Burkdale give, I love golf courses that give you a choice.

Like, you know, it's like, it doesn't dictate to you the way you should play it. It's like, okay, you can lay up short of this bunker, you can go past this bunker. You know, there's, you know, you can lay up short of this bunker. You can go past this bunker. There's, you can bring two bunkers into play to one bunker into play. You can, there's so many different ways to play that golf course.

So yeah, I loved it this year. I thought it was a great test. Decent winner as well. That idea of kind of thinking your way around the golf course is interesting to me because someone like you, if there's a course where you can hit 18 drivers, that's obviously to your advantage because of how you drive the ball.

But at the same time, you say kind of thinking your way around, I'm just curious, how do you kind of square those two things personally? Yeah, I don't like a golf course that just makes everyone hit it in the same spot every single time. So yeah, that's exactly what we had it. And then you hit it. I like that. I like, so, you know, yeah, that's exactly what we had it, and then you had it. You know, I like that, I like golf courses where you can be a little bit creative and create

your own game plan, instead of the game plan sort of just being there. Forced on you. Yeah, forced on you, I guess. That's been my big thing. It feels like you're in handcuffs. You can't really let your, you know, creativeness or, you know, imagination really take over if you want to take something on or, you know, so... What are some courses that do that really well in your mind?

Uh, that give you choice? Yeah. Um, uh, let me see. I have to do some thinking on the PGA Tour ones, because... Um, well that's kind of way, I was... Yeah, I mean, but it's fun, you know, we, you know, we go to golf courses, they're not necessarily the best in the world, but they just, they can host an event. They're big properties with a lot of space to put hospitality and all.

Great condition. Yeah, exactly. That sort of stuff. So yeah, like somewhere, like say a TPC sawgrass. It sort of, it sort of doesn't plan to anyone's hands. It's, you could be a bomber, you could be a shortheader, you could be whatever. And I didn't like that at the start because I felt like it sort of handcuffed me a bit and I couldn't take it on as much. But you learn to love it. You learn to love that it sort of, you know, it

makes you play certain ways in certain shots. And so, I've always, I've learned to like, so I hit at Sawgrass at the start, but I've learned to appreciate what it is. It's kind of like Phil, you're saying that reminds me of Phil's relationship with the Open Championship. Yeah. In the early 2000s, he could, he would have told you

like, I could never win this championship or this championship, it's not for me. That's the kind of the purpose of that question was just, we wanted to know if you're able to differentiate or do you differentiate between, I love this golf course because it's great for me and I love this golf course because of what it is. It's great golf course.

Yeah, no, I appreciate great golf course architecture and I appreciate that. I look, somewhere like an Aaron Hills this year. Should have been great for me because I had a driver everywhere. But it wasn't. I've won on golf courses that I can't hit driver out. I've won on golf courses. It's not.

One of the golf courses that I love this year that I've never played before was River Highlands, TPC River Highlands. Great little golf course, not too long. Makes you think a little bit, like I loved it. I will probably go back there next year because I like the golf course so much and it was a great tournament and whatever, but it makes you, you don't hit driver everywhere, but you don't need to, but greens are small and you have to sort of place your ball off the tee in certain spots. And it does make you think a little bit. The epic year for Callaway Golf continues, and that's right, they did not fire us after part

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There's a lot more details on the the Calloway gear in Mark's winning bag. Visit CallowayGolf.com today for more details now back to Roy McElroy. What would you try to emulate if you were to design a golf course? Oh, I forget if I asked a similar question. No, I would definitely, I guess if you look at all golf course designers, especially the players that have, they put a premium on what they were good at. Yes, you look at a Jack Nicholas course and you can tell straight away that it's a Nicholas course or...

So yours is going to be the 10,000 year at all driver course? Yeah, it's bombs away. No, I... I'm mixture of holes, holes where you have to ship it left or right, right to left. Greens that angle one way, greens that angle another. But then also, you know, that you can run shots up onto the greener after fly it all the way, not that that like that's obviously I would like to fly it all the way, but just to give people different options and different, different

looks and just I just I wouldn't want to create a one dimensional golf course. You know, that's the thing that just options and choices and different styles of player being able to still get to the CM point where they can play it and make parties and shoot a good score. Doesn't alienate a certain type of player. Are you interested in getting into golf course design at some point? At some point, yes. I would need someone to mentor me a little bit because I don't know the first thing about golf course design.

I know what I like and I know what I don't like, but trying to put that into a drawing and then begging it all out and all that stuff. I wouldn't have a clue. But so, Jack Nickless and I have talked about it. He said, he was with Pete Pete Diet, whenever he started golf course design and he sort of held his hand through the process. And, you know, Jack and I have talked about maybe that being us at some point or, or maybe someone else.

We've sort of, Dana Fry, who was one of the designers at Aaron Hills. And we've been sort of just chatting and said, would you ever be interested? And Dan said, like, I could help you along and maybe get to a point where, you know, maybe one day we do something together or I don't know, but that's a long way down the line. You know, that's, I need to concentrate on playing golf courses first. And then I'll think of, and then I'll think about, think about building them. Are there golf courses that still really get you excited? I mean, you can you essentially you have access to any golf course in the world, but and you play this professionally.

You see world-class courses almost every week, but is there ever a time where you're like, oh man, I need to go see that place. Or I really want to play that place. Or over the court, hey, have you checked them all off in your mind? Or does that do you lose that kind of luster of exploring a new course? Yeah, I, yeah, I've probably lost a little bit of that. That's fair.

That it's, yeah. But there, there's, there's courses that I haven't played that I'd love to. Cypress. Cypress. Cypress. Never played Cypress. Can't get in, but I know a few people.

I just, I'm never really over in the West Coast. You're right. So Cypress would be one. And there's actually a few in that area. I've never played Spyglass in that. But I'm playing, I'm going to play the AT&T, the Pro Am next year with my dad.

So we're going to have chance to go over. That event's had such a cool resurgence over the last couple of years with like Jordan and Jason and now you know obviously yourself going over there and it's so cool I'm I'm playing like 30 events next year. I'm loving it. I'm like I'm all in That events so cool to attend. It's not always well represented on TV But it's so different when you go to it in person like it's just so cool. Yeah, so so we're going to do that and then I'm trying to think there's some like I've played Pine Valley That was one that I wanted to and that was really cool

There's some might Eastern in Long Island. I'd love to go play that I haven't I mean I've played Chinatown which is top three in the world for me it is just awesome. I can't wait for the US Open next year. And considering my views on the US Open in the last few years, that's a big statement. So, yeah, Chinacoch's going to be awesome next year. I mean, I played it a couple of summers ago and I just thought it's perfect. They don't need to do anything with it.

They don't need to trick it up. They don't need to, it's just play it the way it is. You'll get a decent winning score. People will love it. So I'm excited. Friars had. I want to go play Friars had, I think. So I'm going to take a little trip up to the Hamptons

the week before the US open next year and maybe go and play Friars and Meadstone and some of those places that I've never been able to take it out there and play. If you need some, need a fourth for Wolfhammer, just let us know. I don't carry that much money. We take Venmo. It's fun. I don't think you'd be collecting any of those. I do want to ask kind of about your recreational rounds.

Do you, do you prefer to play golf when you do play golf? Who do you play with? Do you play one ball all the way through the hole? Do you guys play betting games? Are you a rate more preferred to hit balls in the range? What's kind of your home game look like? I, you'd find me more on the range on Weeks Off, rather than on the course.

I'd maybe play Twice a week twice or three times a week maybe And when I do play I like look I I like to go You know my dad's a member at Seminole and he loves it over there And I love it over there because it's just such a cool place So I would go over and play with him and a couple of his buddies, you know, from time to time. And sometimes it's nice, you know, I'm at the Bears Club so much and see all the guys.

Sometimes it's nice to get out of that routine and do something else. But if we're playing and I actually want a game, I'll call JT Upper Ricky or DJ or Keegan Bradley. Whoever it is that's a member of the Bears, look Donald, you know, there's so many guys down there. And we can get a four together and play. And it's competitive and it makes you concentrate because if I'm just going to plan around

the golf, I'm sort of just, it's wishy-washy. It's not, you know, but if you can get four guys together that are of that caliber, it makes you concentrate and your pride comes into it and your ego a little bit, you don't wanna be beaten. So we do that a good bit down there and it's good fun. I'm not one of these guys that needs to play for a lot of money. If it means that I just am able to beat JT or beat whoever,

then I'm happy with that. But if guys wanna play for money, I'm fine doing that too. Have you ever played for an uncomfortable amount of money? Never. No. Never. Is that because there's not an uncomposed?

No, no, that's not. There certainly is. But no, I've never played for, I mean, I'd say I've never played for anything over four figures. Okay. I mean, it's, you know, it, right. I mean, you're coming down the final stretch of the Torch Championship last year, you're essentially playing for like $7 million

in a difference in first place to second. So that's why I was wondering if there was an uncomfortable amount. Yeah, and not, I mean, because at the end of that, I just wanted to win the FedEx Cup. I didn't want to win. I'm the turch on the Championship. I didn't, you know, I wasn't thinking that geez, you know, so we just we

recently heard a story about about Phil that involved Michael Jordan and a duffle bag of cash, which is why I was wondering. Yeah, no, I've never, you know, obviously Jordan is dying down in the bars and whatever. But I've never gotten into that. No, I just it's not, you know, we work hard enough for our money, and if you're sort of throwing it away and stupid games like that, I'm not, you know. I've no problem going to Casino and plan Blackjack all night. Right.

If you win a little bit great, if you lose, at least you have fun doing it, but there's no fun losing the golf match. I think we're well into making this a two-parter. But we have some grab back questions if you're still up for it. Yeah. Okay. Be careful. This is back to what you're saying, but this a two-parter. But we have some grabback questions if you're still up to run. All right, be careful. This is back to what you're saying, but not being able to say no. So it's all good.

How often do you change out shoes? Like how long will you wear one pair of shoes? So there's some weeks I'm scripted and I'm scripted in a certain sort of style of shoe or color of shoe that I just know that I'll not wear again. So it could be one row in a golf all-wear them. Or like if it's just a plain white or plain black. This pair that I have with me this week, I've probably worn, I think they were new Northern Trust. So I wore them through Northern Trust two days of Boston and then here. So I could go through the playoffs and wear those.

And I guess it's, you know, and Nike will be coming out with a new version very soon anyway. So all those will be sort of redundant. And I'll get a new pair. But probably every, every four weeks, I'll change them. What do you ever get blisters like from wearing it, breaking in a new pair of shoes all the time? Never. No.

Yeah, no, I'm happy. I'm not actually, yeah, but I've, I've, I've a, they designed a certain mold and a certain last so that like it's a, it's a perfect fit. You know, it's, you know, it's, I'm lucky that way, I guess. Do you ever wear the same clothes twice? Oh, it's time you know, it's I'm lucky that way, I guess. Do you ever wear the same clothes twice? Oh, it's time. Yeah, all the time. So stuff goes in the wash and gets rewarning.

Yeah, you're not wearing brand new shirts. No, no, not at all. Sometimes they like to, you know, obviously I'm scripted and stuff for majors. So I might wear those once and then sign them and they might go to charity or whatever. But, no, I, I definitely recycle all my stuff. All right, I wear it. And yeah, they send it, but they send so much, I do like, you do like three or four drops a year, and it's always way too much.

So I'm always given stuff away. I'd rather just give the new stuff away and not wear another one of the CM shirt and just give it to my body, or give it the charity, or whatever. So that was the next question. Do you do your own ironing? I do not. I don't do my own ironing. I have attempted to at some points, but no, I couldn't stand there and iron. I mean, I, like, if a pair of panzer and the sukiyass and they're like really

creased, I'll attempt it, but it's not very good. I just like usually press the button on the top, like the steamer thing and just sort of give it a couple of little swipes and that's about it. What's the biggest fashion regret of your career? Ooh, it's been a couple of suspect belt buckles. And then probably the hair weren't anything else. I don't know if that's a fashion statement

or a but the hair was like a gutter to control at one point. I mean, I look back and I'm like, wow, that was really bad. I think everyone kinda goes through that face at some point. There's just happened to be in public. At the time, did you think it was really good? Yeah, I look good, yeah. Everyone's just happened to be in public at the time. Did you think it was really good? Yeah, I look good. Yeah, everyone's been through this.

Big off-ro is really cool. This is really cool. I actually look very similar. I had the same thing. I went to the same thing in college. My dad was like, I know I've been there because my dad had a bad haircut in college too. And he's, you know, my dad said to me, when you get to my age, you're going to realize how stupid you look.

He said the same to me, tell me the story's like, no, you don't understand how the afro is in. Yeah, yeah. And I think as well, I look back at not the stuff that I've worn on the course, but off the course, like the baggy denim jeans and like Timberland boots. And like, you're like, oh, what are you doing? Terrible, but yeah, my fashion sense

has definitely improved over the years. What's the worst like pro-AM faux pas somebody can make? Like an amateur can make. Hitting the pro with their golf ball. Is that happened? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've been hit before. That was a quick answer. Yeah, twice actually, one with a sculled bunker shot and one, you know, usually in pro-'s, you know, Amators, they're misses right usually. So you'd always try and, if you're obviously your further ahead in the fairway, so you always stand to the left on side and you think you're safe there.

And this guy in Abu Dhabi a couple of years ago, like, he top-ailed it, and it almost went over his left toe. And it sort of trundled up like two bounces and hit me on the side of the knee. I was like, oh, I don't know where to stand from. I think the only place is the stand behind someone. I guess. And V-Sive. But so yeah, a couple of times.

What's the worst prelamb experience you've had? Um. Jeez. Getting hit with a golf ball. Yeah, probably getting hit with a golf ball is up there. Um. Geez. Getting hit with a golf ball. Yeah, probably getting hit with a golf ball is up there. I think, you know, just plan with guys that are that take it way too serious and just, you know, they're there to have fun. And they expand so much mental energy that they're done after 12 holes.

And then it's like the last six there, they're not enjoying it, you're not enjoying it, you're like, you may as well just go into the club, but it's not a beer or something, you know, it's sort of, I've actually said that to the tourists, I've been like, why don't you make pro-hams like nine holes? Because people get what they want, they get, right, they play and it's great, but make the guy, make us go in and have lunch with them or have, you know, because we're not obligated to do that. We play our 18 holes, we say goodbye and, you know, but if I think the amateurs would actually get more out of sitting around the table and having some lunch and some conversation and, you know, talking about stuff and telling stories and I think the crew would get more out of it.

And I think the Ames would get more out of it as well. Is there ever a time where you enter like a certain level of fame where you stop getting nervous or anxious meeting other famous people? No, no, I, if I met a couple of people who get you stuck or who have you recently met that you're kind of starstruck or kind of? have you recently met that you're kind of starstrucker kind of? It's, I mean, for me, it's, it's sports stars, I guess. So like, even, you know, a couple of years ago, and I would meet like,

I'm trying to think whether it was like Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Tennis were older. Like, even some soccer players that I'd never met before. You're just sort of, it's not that you're nervous, but you grow up admiring these guys, and it's just such a cool thing to meet them and to sort of, yeah. You sneak up over their shoulder and just kind of take a picture. Whether or not we can. But no, it's, and there's been people that I've walked past, or that I've stayed in the CM Hotel as whether they be actors or just well-known people. I've wanted to go up and say hello,

but I sort of know sometimes what I feel like when people do that, so I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna leave them alone and let them do their thing and it's cool that I saw them and that's it. I mean, a lot of people out there would want to trade places with you. Is there one person out there that you would potentially want to trade

lives with? Wow, no. I don't think so. So, a couple of years ago, I went to Coolmore stud, so they breed like some of the best resources in the world, and their biggest stallion is a horse called Galileo. I would my trade-in place in November. So he is a pretty good life. I tell you, he is loving it. So that's the one guy that's one specimen that came to mind. I can't believe that's where your mind was. You would trade for a...

I was trying to think of who the human version of that was. Oh, the Capri movie? I don't know. But yeah, so it's like obviously he covers, I don't know how many... What are female horses? A day, but like I think it's literally people will pay 500 grand to have a resource by Galileo. It's unbelievable.

I mean, the money that they make out of this, obviously Galileo doesn't make any money. But the Magna family that own Coolmore stuff, it's unbelievable that just a amount of unbelievable resources and stallions and stuff that go through there. It's nuts. Wow, man. So. Getting some, I'm not gonna get thrown off by some of these answers.

The next question does not can't possibly live up. And it's, what are you watching on Netflix right now? Or what's your show? You're gonna go to show them. So we are like shark tank. We are like all in on shark tank. We're going through the seasons.

And I actually think one of the got there's cat. I would love to make Kevin O'Leary from shark tank. I don't know if he's a big golfer or whatever. But if you're listening to Kevin. Sure you can make it happen. Yeah, let's have dinner. But yeah, I just love the show.

I think it's really cool. Really gotten into the last couple of weeks. Yeah. Golf wasn't a consideration where somewhere you would want to live. Would it be the same, the stall of that stallion that you were talking about? Yeah, probably London. I love London. London is a great city. Or New York City. I'm a big fan of both of those places. I love the energy. But I think I like about London,

is you can obviously be on a really busy street, like Oxford Street or Region Street, but you go a couple of streets over and you're like in this really nice little leafy neighborhood and it's sort of quiet and I've always, I think potentially one day, depending. It's all my schedule is so much US based, it just doesn't make sense to live over there full time,

but I do like it there. Not to transition back to golf, but miss this one earlier. So let's say you're 17 years old again, and someone says, by age 28, you have X amount of majors. What answer do you think satisfies 17-year-old Rory? To maybe I don't know one, two. I never thought past the first one at that point.

I always wanted to be able to call myself a major champion. And I always remember that when in the US open, and it's going to say going to bed that night. I didn't go to bed that night. So like the next day, just going to sleep and being like, sanitary myself over and over and over at your major champion. Your major champion.

That to me was the ultimate. So 17 year old Dory's pretty proud of himself to be sitting here having four. What's a tournament that you look forward to every year that maybe flies under the radar? And for what reasons is it something, is it, like what reasons does it, is it, of course, a tournament you look forward to? One that flies under the radar that, Bay Hill. I don't know if that flies under the radar. I mean, obviously with Arnand stuff, people don't love the golf course.

I actually quite enjoy it. I enjoy the week. We stand universal. It sort of, I mean, it's a cool week. You sort of get away from the golf course, and you're in the park. And it's cool. I mean, I've always, it's nice that it's only a 2.5 hour drive from West Palm.

So we get up there, and you bring the car, and it's sort of easy. So I don't know if that's underrated in any way, but that's one that I've always enjoyed. It's interesting because you've added, I mean that wasn't always the case. No, it wasn't, no, it was always a tournament that I had skipped the last few years. And I made a conscious effort to go because I knew Arnold wasn't in great health. And I wanted to play before he passed away. And you'll want to, the best memories of my life so far

is having dinner with him in 2015. And just unbelievable, the stories. And he was just so cool and so gracious. And just, you know, you, everything that you expected him to be, he was. You know, and that's just so awesome. I mean, never meet anyone that has like a bad thing to say about the way he treated people. No, he was, I'm not saying he was such a people person.

He looked everyone in the eye, treated everyone the same. Ericka and him actually share a birthday September 10th. So funny, I introduced Erica to him. And I said, oh, Mr. Palmer, Erica and you share the same birthday and he didn't quite hear me correctly, he went, oh, happy birthday. I said, no, no, no, you share the same birthday, September 10th, he said, oh, we should have a party.

Yeah, and like just, Erica fell in love with them just for that. And that's, I think, that's just the way he was with everyone. You remember the first time you met him? And what that was all about? That was, actually, no, the first time I met him was the 13th out of Gusta. He was in his little card, he was wearing gray pants, pink shirt.

It was my first time playing the Masters. It was a practice round, 09. Hit my drive up to the corner at 13 and he was just under the trees there. And his golf cart and came out and shook my hand. These big hands said, you know, I'm Arnold Palmer. But yeah, that was, that was, I'll always remember the first time. And so I met Arnie that year for the first time, also met Jack that year for the first time, but in very different circumstances, I met Jack in the parking lot of the gardens mall in Palm Beach Gardens. It was the Sunday of the match, but I just been put out on the Saturday and then flew to West Palm on the Sunday to play the Honda the next week and I'm getting out with my dad to go to, I don't know, wherever it was, Nordstrom, wherever to go, pick something up and Jack gets out of his like gold lexas is walking in and I was like, oh, and I remember he said to me, oh, you played at Dove

Maintain this weekend, he designed it and he said, what did you think of it? I said, Jack, it was great for a match play. He tried to be as, I don't know, whatever. Or Jules, I could, yeah, exactly. If you were, let's flip this on you and say, you're hosting. I remember you saying on Bacon's podcast, right? If you weren't a professional golfer, what would you want to do? And you said you wanted to do something in professional golf, kind of, yeah,

or professional sports or something. Yeah, I've always been a big sports fan. So let's say you, like, you had your own podcast or radio show or something, how would you do it? What would you want to focus on? What would you talk about? Like, what kind of style would that be? Yeah, so I think my idea is, yeah, my style would be is to try and get to know the the players outside of the sport. So, you know, what are your what else do you like to what else do you enjoy? What are your thoughts? What what do you think? You know, I don't want to get too plow. What do you think the political landscape? What do you think of the way the world is right now? What you know, what would you do to change it? What would you, you know, just sort of go a little bit deeper into who they are as people.

Because I think, you know, I think from even just this podcast, you can sort of try to, you know, hopefully people can take from it, you know, try to be the best person you can. Also, you know, the best golfer, but, you know the the best person I think delving into not getting too deep into personal into their lives, but just Knowing their their thoughts and what they'd like to do, you know Maybe after their careers or what their interests are and just stuff like that because I think everyone has a great story And it doesn't have to be all about their profession So I think that would probably be my style. I think you're such a good example of somebody who can say

what's on their mind without massive repercussions. Certainly there are repercussions sometimes. You get some blowback, but it's never the biggest deal in the world, and I wish more people would be guests on your podcast. Because I feel like that would be guests on your podcast. Because I feel like that would be hard to hard thing, is pulling people who are willing to have those conversations because they're not always, because I think they feel like

there's a lot to lose, and I'm just curious, if you've ever had kind of a conscious moment where it's like, you know, I'm gonna say what I wanna say and let the chips fall where they may. Yeah, I'm never going to apologize for being myself. I am who I am, and if some people don't like it, that's totally fine. And I'm not trying to be everyone's friend,

but I like to, it's like, I like to keep it real. I like to be myself and say what I think, and I have sort of opinionated and I stand firm in my beliefs and I just wanna be honest and truthful and myself and if people don't like that, then it's not my problem. I can't do anything about that, but I just hope people appreciate that, I guess.

I feel like it's kind of something you just kind of need to power through and break through and be like this is how I'm going to be. Instead of always being on defense, you know. And I think for the first few years of my career, I was because it's all new and you want people to like you. It's a very instinctive human reaction. You know, you want people to appreciate you and like you and you get to the point where you realize that not everyone is because if everyone was the same, then life would be pretty boring, I guess. So I've definitely become more comfortable in my own skin.

You know, I think everyone goes through that awkward stage of like between, you know, some people go through it a little earlier than others. I went through that awkward stage sort of, sort sort of my early 20s, and I feel like I've got through that, and I'm very comfortable in my own skin, and I say what I think, and as you said, sometimes it gets me into trouble, but I think people appreciate the honesty, and I wouldn't change that. Do you have, what are some of the biggest regrets of things you've said in the media? Things you've been too outspoken about. Yeah, there's been a couple of things like I the Olympic thing was a big you know I the way I

came off wasn't the way I wanted it to come off. You know I'm all for making this game more inclusive and growing and expanding its global reach, nothing against that at all. In my belief, I don't think that the Olympic Games is just the only way to do that. There's way more things that we can do to expand golf. The Olympics is one of those things, which is great, but there's other ways to do it also. So I just, yeah, the whole Olympic thing just it sort of, it was, I was a bit of a ticking time bomb. And it was just one question to many, and I sort of flipped. So I regret that a little bit, I didn't mean

not to come off the way I did. Because I'm all for making this game as big and as good as it can be. Anything else, not really. I mean, obviously the reason I got off social media was because of that whole out-elkington thing. And I don't regret it because I feel good about sticking up for myself. I might have stuck up for myself in a different way. I didn't need to be as sort of punching down. Yeah, exactly as condescending or as, you know. And I realized that and I was like, you know what? And I was on my flight back to Palm Beach.

I had three or four glasses of red wine. I was like, I'm gonna get back at them here. Twitter and alcohol never go well together. Never, ever. So I was like, you know what, I just don't need this. I don't need to read it. I don't need to respond to it. I should have risen above it.

I didn't. And that's why currently I am not on Twitter. Yeah, we need to talk about that. I mean, that's the worst thing the game of it. It's so negative though. I just think everything. It's your every to reply. No, but it's just like, I love Instagram because it's also light and airy and happy and

everyone's posting pictures and that really helps. That's not real. But it's so nice. I just, I, I should be more disciplined because I don't need to read, read what people are saying and the criticism and stuff, but sometimes it's hard to get away from it. So I just felt for the time being, you know what? I just don't need it in my life. I'm sure I'll go back on at some point.

And, you know, I still keep like a track of what's going on in terms of what people are putting out there. I just don't, you know, I don't have control in my own account. So I don't, you know, read anything that is said to me or is put to me. So, but, you know, I'll, I'll, I'm sure I'll get back on at some point. But it's a grit, it's a grit tool. It is a grit tool. It's grit to engage with people. Let your sort of fans or followers see what you're up to and stuff like that.

So there will be a point where I will take control of it again. Have you ever started a burner account where you just fire back at people anonymously? No, I haven't actually. The only thing I think I have started, but I haven't actually posted anything, is like a personal Instagram account, so just my friends have and family can follow and stuff like that. But I haven't posted anything yet. But that's sort of it. Private, you make it private again.

Yeah, make it private so that just my friends and family can sort of see it and it's a bit more. I feel like you can show a bit more than it. It's not, you don't have to worry about getting in trouble or it's not for sponsors. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know where, you know, it's very valuable. I have across all platforms, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, you know, social media,

coins in China and stuff, you know, close to 10 million followers with all those combined. So it's great for sponsors and it's great for stuff like that. So, and it's a huge tool and it's, you know, again, it is a business at the end of the day and it's a huge tool and it's, you know, again, it is a business at the end of the day and it's a huge tool for that. Yeah, you know, you can't forget about your fans and your followers and your supporters and I get that. So, you know, keep tuned. I'll get back on there one day. That blue little bird. Because that's what sucks is you were good at it, I felt. Yeah, no, I like it. I felt yeah, no I look I I like it

I like engaging with people I used to do some good Q&A's and stuff and I like that You know that's that's the good part of it There's some bad parts of it as well, and it's even like it's not even stuff about me You know you go on there, and it's he tweeted this then he tweeted back. It was like it's like oh, it's just so Just you know you can control who you know, I know it's for it feel you know if you don't follow some of these people you feel like you're missing out on yous or on yeah, whatever you know, so but look one day yeah one day I'll be back. So we've peppered you with a million questions flip it on you. What questions what do we miss? What

are we missing in golf? What's not getting talked about? What questions would you ask us or anyone? Um, it's hard to see. It's harder being a podcast. Is it? Are you excited about the president's cup? Not as much as that. No, not really. I'm excited to see the US team. I, I, I, I, I invest in the president's cup to see some of these players perform in this situation, but it's been so uncompetitive for so long that it's hard to get jacked about the event. And there's not a natural rivalry. It's like international, it's everybody, but it takes time as well.

There wasn't like a takes time. The president's cup is a new thing. It's only been going since the 90s. But the international's don't have a bond like 10 euro. Yeah. It's hard to compare it. I mean, it's up to me. I said this for a long time, play the writer cup every day in a year.

And the only reason we don't play it every year is because that's how it's been in the past. That's biongually. But do you think it would diminish the special? I don't. No. Say, do you think the masters should go to every other year? No, does it finish the special nature of the masters to have it every

year? Yeah, imagine like, but I guess the thing for me is on and this is where I say to some of the American guys like it's like to play a team event every year it's like, it's a it's a long week and it's a lot of mental energy and stuff. Well, when you're screaming your head off, like you were, I mean, that's you're gonna lose a lot of energy. Just steaming from the top of your head. Yes, I guess. My thing, too, is like, grow the game. I don't get into that grow the game. No, I don't. I don't, like, the president's cup, it doesn't, yeah, like, maybe some Indian kid sees Anurbane, they're hairy on the president

and he wants to, that's his idol and he wants to emulate him. And that, if that, that's, yeah, that is growing the game. But it's growing the game at such a small, like, either must be bigger ways to do this, I guess. That's my point. My point is, it goes for the United States. It's in the US, they play the event every two years, so obviously in the US every four years. Yeah. And you got to wait four years in between this three-day event that's in your country to get really excited about it.

And it's like, if it was every other year in the US, there's a home away, and it's every year, the memories just stay a little closer. Because you look back at the 2014 teams teams and, you know, not the diminished Hunter May Hand, but he's playing in the web finals right now and he was on the Ryder Cup team and that was only two Ryder cups ago. Oh, look at someone like, I mean, and this again, this isn't the diminished, but Jimmy Donaldson hit the winning shot at the Ryder Cup.

Right. And he's, you know, he's sort of struggled with his game a little bit since or whatever. So it is the dynamic of the teams can change so much in two years. You're right, not by that. But I just see your head turn. No, you're on board. You're convincing me here. But I'm not a part of the president's

cop or whatever, but even though I, you know, I usually have that week off, I always tune in. I always watch, you know, it's always something that, and that's just me as a golf fan. I like to see. I remember watching the one at Harding Park. I don't know why that was. I just, I think, I think, uh, head-to-ear-tural. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a few of those. Um, but think maybe was Hedecki on that team. I don't think he would have been. That was on nine. No, he would have been. I think Adam Scott was on two. Yeah. Adam was on with, oh, was he maybe playing with Eshikawa?

Could be. That might have been it. So maybe like, I turned in because I just thought, okay, that's pretty cool and whatever. So, um, me, hopefully, it's more competitive this year. I mean, it was competitive in Korea a couple of years ago. So be good to see if it was a high-finity. You guys are like minus 300 favorites. Like it's pretty, they're gonna be pretty big favorites. I mean, this is kind of one of the better teams

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Ram is gonna be absolutely free. Yeah, Ram's gonna, Ram's a stud, Thomas Peters. My partner, Matt Fitzpatrick's plan well again, and good win for him. So you're still claiming Thomas, you're not letting him go for next year. No, he's my partner. If he wants to be.

If he wants to be, you know, if he has someone else in mind. I think he can be okay with that. All right, so we're gonna put the rider cup every year. We got that. What other topics are burning on your mind? The question I had, what do you think is the biggest story in golf right now? Because I was thinking about that and I don't really know what the end.

We could not answer this, by the way. It's... I think it's this, and I think it has been the story for the last few years. It's this younger generation coming through that, you know, winning majors earlier. I mean, when has there really been a time before where you have, I'm sort of excluding myself from this a little bit, but, you know, JT who's 23 or 24 just won his first, Jordan's got three at 24. You know, Brooks's 27, 20, whatever he, he just got his. I mean, there's a lot of 20-somethings, not in younger guys winning the biggest tournaments in the world.

See who came when the the players of 21. You know, you go about even guys like that. You know, Hideki, what he's doing at a young age. Roms 22. Roms 22. Like, I don't remember really an era that has had a lot of these young, young guys all at the same time excelling and doing so well. I think that could be the biggest story. Do you feel like the tour has changed since you got on it?

I mean, average age of winners is plummeting. Average age of the tour is plummeting. Has the overall vibe on tour kind of changed as a result of that? I think so. Yeah, guys are younger. The tour has embraced the modern age in terms of social media and connecting to fans in a different way. It's definitely, it's changed so much, even when I started

on tour in 09. It's changed a lot. It's, you know, that just doesn't seem to be, I mean, it's funny, like I'm looking at someone like, you know, a Phil or a Henrik Stenson or Ian Polter, those guys are in their 40s and, you know, they're sort of not on the, you know. Careful.

Whatever, back nine other career. Talk to that other career. But, you know, those, whatever, back nine other career. You've done it. Talk to me. I don't do that in a career. But you know, those are guys that are in their 40s that are, you know, they're not that far away from plan champions to her golf, you know. And it's just when you've grown up with them, it's like, wow, those guys are, you know, it's amazing that time goes so quickly.

I mean, I've been on tour 10 years. It's wild. It is absolutely nuts. It goes so quickly. So I think just the young generation coming through, winning the biggest events, not being afraid. I think that's the big story right now. And I think the game is in a great place because of it.

And it's not just, you've got storylines from everywhere. It's this young Spanish kid. It's this young Japanese kid. It's this young Japanese kid. It's obviously, you're always going to have the strength in America because of just the numbers that play here and the system and it's always going to be great. But it's such a global game, though. You know, even PJ Tour expanding, going to Asia, going to these places, you know, it's world tour.

It's happening one day, I think. I was gonna, you walked right into that one, what do you think of the possibilities of that? How would that look? How would that even support of it? I think it has to happen. Yeah. I just, you know, it's, as time goes on, just to have all

these tours competing against each other and having to change dates and this and that, It's it's counterproductive. Yeah. I think everyone has to sort of come together and say, right, this is what we need to do. And, um, geez, I mean, I don't know what the solution is. I mean, I think the thing, I mean, the easy thing would be for the PJ tour to go and buy the European tour and say,

look, you know, we'll take it from there. You still run the European events and we have a model that is, you know, we have 12 events a year, excluding the majors, 12 events a year that are the biggest events, you know, like say tennis, the ATP 1000s, they call them. And then you've got the 500 series events and you've got the 250s and sort of rank them like that. Because there's, you know, in any given week, whether it's a golf circuit or a tennis circuit, there's three or four tournaments going on at the CM time, whether it's web.com or whatever,

you know, so it's either, don't see any other way. Right. I think it'd be so cool to like see a ton of Americans come over and play the Irish open, play the Scottish open. I'd love that. Of course you would. Yeah, of course you would. Yeah, of course you would.

But it would be, I just think that is the way it's going to happen. I just don't see any other way. And I wouldn't take the stance of what Greg Norman was trying to do all those years ago and trying to start it himself for it. I'm just a pawn in the whole game. I'm a player and I'll play anywhere because I want to play golf and win golf tournaments. But I know there's been discussions that have taken place, but I mean, it'd be very early stages, but maybe one day. but I mean, it'd be very early stages, but maybe one day. What do you, I mean, the Irish open has had this incredible resurgence in the last couple years.

A lot of it can be attributed to you. I got to see it this year for the first time and see kind of, and now this is first year's of Rolex event, see the feel that it drew, the crowd that it drew up at Port Stewart, what do you kind of envision for that tournament going forward and how much influence and effect do you have on everything that goes on with that event?

No, so now that the Irish Open's got a date that is really what's in July and I, kids are off school, really make it like the event of the summer in Ireland. Like a festival, like a music festival or not obviously quite like that, but tried and spread it or try and spread it around the country bring it to great golf courses, links golf courses It's in the summer doesn't say much for Ireland because it could be any sort of weather as we saw this year, but It's a better day. It's close enough to the open championship so that Guys can come over and play and acclimatize and get used to that style of golf.

So hopefully that's, I mean, the European tour of being great, you know, as much as I'm talking about a world tour here, the European tour have been instrumental in supporting us and getting it to that level and having it a part of the Rolex series and all that stuff as well. But it's a, geez, I didn't know half of what went into running a golf tournament. Then I got involved in one and it's amazing. I mean, it takes a lot of people and a lot of hard work to put on these events. It's a full-time job. It is.

It isn't one of any years. It really is. It's just from the corporate hospitality side to the golf course side to the, I mean, there's just so much that goes into logistically. So no props to all those people that put all these great events for us. I feel a little, and we haven't covered, I should have probably asked this earlier, when you've kind of discussed it and had a lot of questions about it. Your few weeks in you having your buddy Harry Diamond on the bag, there was a lot of questions just about your separation from JP.

So since in the months that you guys have been separated since then, you guys talk a lot still, still a good relationship there. And I think I just kind of wanted to hear, when you explain it to me, everything made total sense. Yeah, no, for sure. So like, I, like, it was something that, I don't know if, I think if I had of done it after Augusta this year, JP would have understood just because of,

you know, where we were at and whatever. And I just think the timing of it took JP a little bit by surprise, but it was something that had been in my head for a little while. And more just to do with, I was just, I wasn't myself on the golf course, and I was getting really hard on him, and it just wasn't. The only time I really, you know, it was affecting our relationship. The only time I would talk to him would be to text him to say, I'll meet you at this time of the putting rain or on the golf course. And that was really it.

It was, you know, the the the friendship side of our relationship, it sort of was just becoming so stale and non-existent. I was like, this isn't really right. And I, uh, so it was a part of that, but I feel like, you know, relationships, especially ones of that nature, they run their course and just sometimes you just need to freshen it up. And I think JP understood that. And obviously, it's tough for everyone involved. It's not a nice thing to go through,

but at the end of the day, it was something I felt like I needed to do to just sort of, you know, get a fresh perspective on things, I guess. So, I'm heading to Dubai in October and November and I'll, I'll, I'll, JP lives out there, I'll see a lot of them then and I'm sure we'll go out to dinner and we'll, you know, we'll play a bit of golf together and whatever. So, you know, hopefully that side of our relationship will, we'll start to build again and, and that'll be nice. But, but Harry's been great. Like, Harry was the best man in my wedding. He's my best friend growing up and it's been great

to have him on the bike. But I'm going to have to, and I'm looking and I've been talking to a few people. But in the off season, that's one of the big things that I need to do is to find myself a permanent caddy going forward. So it's been great, it's been really fun to have Harry on the bike these last few weeks, but I've realized that caddies do have, there is a value to put on them, especially a really good one, and even though you have your grip body on the bike beside you, it's great and it helps in terms of just keeping you level headed and keeping you in a good frame of mind. But guys that have been out here for a long time, they know what they're doing and they

can, even if that just saves you a short alternative and that can be the difference, I guess. So if you're putting out kind of a one ad for a new caddy, what's important to you? I think chemistry has to be important. I think that is a very important part of a player caddy relationship is being able to stand each other for six or seven hours a day. You're spending that much time together. But then professionalism, doing whatever they can

to help you. I wouldn't say going above and beyond, but just doing the right things, going and walking the golf course in the mornings, seeing where the pins are. There's just a lot of stuff that goes into that it just isn't seen. But yeah, I think the most important thing is, if the player is doing all he can to be the best

that he can be, then hopefully the Cadi is doing all they can to be the best that they can be. And I guess that's for, I would want it. Yeah. There's a certain part of it that's just kind of unexplainable in that, you know, when you call in a Cadi to read a putt, do you trust that answer? I mean, it's kind of, you know, I'm not saying that.

I think it's hard because I think the first thing, if you call a caddy in to read a putt, the first thing he should say to you is, okay, what speed are you hitting this putt up? Because it's all about speed at the end of the day. He could say to you, I think it's a ball right, but if it's not a ball right, if you're just trying to diet in the front of the hole, and it's not a ball right,

if you're trying to, you know, pit the back and do care if it goes four feet by. So first thing is, okay, what speed do you want this? You want this to go in at? And then you can start to have a read from there. So I'm good, good, good, Cady's good players know that. And that's probably the first question that they should ask if, but I rarely call a Cady in because I, you know, I like, you know, even if I make a wrong decision, I don't want to blame anyone. I don't want to have that on anyone else and apart from me. So that's my, my thing. All right. Two hours. I hope I didn't abuse your. Wow. You're, you're, I asked so much flies when you have them. I'm, you're, you were. Wow. You're you're I asked how much lies when you haven't

I'm you're you were said you were open-ended. That was your first mistake you made. So maybe I sure you're wife's wondering where you are now. So I hope we covered everything Roy. Do thank you for the time man. Thanks for everything your support of my

husband. My pleasure. It's good to good to get back on here. When are we going to do part four? I'm I'm free this in October, November, December, if you want me on like four times in one year. But no, I'm I'm happy to do this. I love just sitting and chatting and sort of talking golf, not golf, whatever. I've always enjoyed it. Much appreciated, man. Best of luck with the rest of the week. Hopefully on to Atlanta by the time this comes out. Hopefully.

And if not, best of luck wrapping up the season in Europe and we'll speak soon. Perfect, thank you. It's going to be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.

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