No Such Thing As A Fish - 13: No Such Thing As A Funny Nazi

Episode Date: May 31, 2014

Episode 13: This week in the QI Office Dan Schreiber (@schreiberland), James Harkin (@eggshaped), Andrew Hunter Murray (@andrewhunterm) Anna Ptaszynski (@nosuchthing) & special guest Lieven Scheire (@Lievenscheire) discuss Disney's war effort, the rules of pillow fighting, stoned dolphins and more...

We ran it on QI a few years ago, which was, there's no such thing as a fish. You think there's no such thing as a fish? No, seriously, it's in the Oxford Dictionary of Underwater Life. It says it right there, first paragraph, no such thing as a fish. Hello, and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Shriver. I'm sitting here with three other QI elves, Andy Murray, Anna Chazinski,

and on our fact-checking duty today, James Harkin. Once again, we're gathering around the microphone to share our favorite facts from the last seven days, and joining us today is a special guest, a comedian from Belgium, Leven Skyren. Hi. Hi. How's it going? Well, very good. I'm here, so that's great. Yeah, we're very excited to have you here. Leven is basically the Stephen Fry Belgium.

You have a show out there called Skyren and the Creation, which is a panel show in which you have sort of comedians as well as interesting guests from all sorts of categories. Wine-tasters, that's one I saw. Yeah, it's a panel show. It's much like QI. I think secretly I want to make QI in Belgium. Now I have to find a channel that wants to host it. I just remembered you got to headline the gig at CERN, right? Yes, that was last summer.

I was performing at CERN, which was absolutely amazing being a physicist stand-up comedian. I could do all my geeky jokes. That's great. All right, shall we kick into it? Should we get fact number one on the way? Okay, fact number one. We're going to start with you, Leven. Yes, my fact is that during the Second World War, the Nazis employed two official Nazi comedians. That's a stottishig. Yeah, they were called Trann und Helle, and they did funny sketches.

And I think Trann was the fat stupid one. And then Helle would be the perfect man. There's a few still on YouTube, but I must warn you, they are utterly not funny. So surprising, the Nazis. Well, they all have this war propaganda scenarios. I remember one where Trann was sitting in his living room, and he was reading a biography of Churchill that was given to him by his Jewish neighbor. Luckily, Helle arrived and said, Trann, what are you doing?

That's all lies, and that was about it. That's the punchline. That's the punchline. This is why central government shouldn't get involved in comedy writing. That's right. That never works. But they stopped these shows before the end of the war, because the German people watching this were all sympathizing with the stupid fat guy,

and not with this impossibly perfect Helle. And they were even, the stupid comedian was banned from the Nazi party because of this. Yeah, they're really not funny, are they? I watched one of them which sounds really similar about where he's listening to the radio, and he's being told by Helle to not listen to Western broadcasts. And he Trann says, I think I can make up my own mind about what's the truth and what's not. And Helle goes, no, no, no, you can't. You don't understand. You wouldn't understand any of this.

You have to be told by the state what's right and wrong. And when you're watching it, you're going, well, this tall guy who's saying you have to be told by the state what's right and wrong is obviously the bad guy here. And clearly I like the short fat bloke who's going, can I just listen to whatever program I want, please? So it's bizarre that they didn't realize. That they didn't cotton on to, yeah. Sometimes they try to do a punchline.

And, well, it's always a bit pathetic when they're trying, even more when there's no punchline. I remember one where Trann was using all his bread coupons, even though he didn't need them. And he had all his old bread in his kitchen. And then Helle was coming and said, you can't do this. And what do you do with it? Well, I give it to the chicken. You can't give it to the chicken. And the other Germans need this bread. And this war is hard on everybody.

And then Helle says, but what about the chicken? And that was it. Again, you totally sympathize with the chicken when you listen to that. It's a really endearing perspective. War was hard on the poultry. It's interesting in wartime how comedy is used in propaganda. I was really shocked by the number of Walt Disney and Warner Brothers cartoons that were made featuring Hitler and Bugs Bunny in the same sketch.

There were scenes of Daffy Duck on the top of Hitler smacking his face and knocking his mustache off him and stuff. I found German anti-Nazi jokes from the war. I found them very interesting. So one joke in Berlin during the last months of the war was that in Berlin the optimists are learning English and the pessimists are learning Russian. For another one, two people conversing. One says, what are you going to do after the war ends?

Well, I'm going to finally go on a holiday and I'll take a trip around Greater Germany. Oh yeah, what are you going to do in the afternoon? That kind of thing. Some of them are still funny, I think. When the RAF is in disguise, the Germans take cover. When the Luftwaffe is in disguise, the Allies take cover. When the US Air Force is in disguise, everyone takes cover. Which, you know, kind of still applies.

But the Nazis banned apes from making the Hitler salute. Yeah. On pain of death for, I think, both ape and the person who trained the ape. During the early 30s there were a lot of satirical comedians who made fun of the Hitler salute. And some animal trainers in circuses trained their apes to give a Hitler salute. Yeah, they dangled at the food, wouldn't they? So they had to just reach there on.

And the Nazis unsurprisingly took quite a dim view of that and then made it punishable by death. By death? Yeah. Were any apes ever executed, do you know? I don't know. I got it from a book about humour in Hitler's Germany and I haven't found any concrete examples.

Is that a long book? I think ten years ago a man was arrested in Germany for training his dog to do the Hitler salute. Really? Yeah. That's quite impressive. Ten years ago, I think, and he had trained him and he was walking around the park and every time he would pass a foreigner,

he would command his dog to do a Hitler salute. Wow, wow. Yeah, fair enough, arrest him. Yeah, absolutely. I read that, did you know England in 2004 had a state jester? No. Yeah, we had a state jester. It's a guy called Nigel Roder.

And he won a competition to become the official state jester, but there was too many complaints. So he got his title removed. What were they complaining about? The sal grapes that they hadn't been given. Yeah, yeah. It basically said that the English heritage should not be allowed to use the title of state jester.

A lot of people were just like, he can't be the state jester. We're all jesters. It's less funny when it's a state comedian as well. Apparently Eric Idol says that Prince Charles asked him to be the official court jester. And he said no. The mayor of Reykjavík is a stand-up comedian.

Really? Yeah. Well, they had a very, very rough time during the financial crisis in Iceland. And then he started a mock party. He said like, yeah, all these old politicians, they've all failed, and he started a mock party. And I think he wanted an ice bear in the Iceland zoo.

Well, the Iceland zoo at this point only has, I think, a cow and a rabbit. He wanted to legalize drugs, but only inside the parliament building. Right. That was his program. That's great. And he won.

And has he carried out any of his promises? No, I don't think so. I don't think there's an ice bear there. He's like, all the others. Yeah. He surrounded himself with very good advices because he realized that, well, I come to politics. I know nothing about it.

And he's doing very well. People are very happy with how he rules the Reykjavík. That's great. Wow. The mayor of London is a comedian of sorts. Yeah, I've noticed that. Well, Eddie Isard wants to run in 2020. Indeed.

So, you know, could be a running thing. Could be. We should move on. James, before we do, have you got any facts you want to chuck in? You were talking about the Walt Disney and Warner Brothers propaganda. Donald Duck was in the Fuhrer's face where he breaks down after experiencing a nightmare where he has to make do with eating ridiculous Nazi food rations

such as a smell of bacon and eggs, coffee made with one bean, and a slice of stale bread. Wow. And in Commando Duck, Donald Duck by himself destroys an entire Japanese airbase. That sounds amazing. Anything else?

Yeah, Leven was talking about the dog who was doing the Hitler salute. I found it on the Daily Mail website under the headline Howl Hitler. And they arrested this guy whose dog was doing the Hitler salute. And spokesman Eva Marie Konig said, we are retraining him to stop him raising his leg too high. He doesn't have anything that would make him interesting to right-wing extremists. However, we think he will quickly find a new owner because he is so famous. Okay, time for fact number two.

This one's my fact. So this fact is that the Philippines Basketball Association, which is the second oldest in the world after the NBA, have ten teams in total, and their names include the Rain and Shine Elasto Painters, the San Miguel Beer Men, and Tolkien Text Tropang Textures. So a lot of teams with no integrity at all,

just selling out constantly and changing their names. What's just how it's done there? It's not selling out. It's just that's the way that they are. Like if you watch boxing matches these days, most boxers have adverts painted on their back. There's a guy in America who's selling his last name now. So companies can bid,

and the highest bidder will be the company name that will become his official last name. He did it last year for one company, and now he's called James McDonald's or something. And now he's doing it again, because it was only for one year, and I think he gets some $50,000 out of it. How do I think the only benefit for these companies is in the newspaper coverage that a man is changing his name,

because no one sees Kevin Budweiser and thinks, I must go and have a beer. We had a football team in Belgium, which was sponsored by the Belgian McDonald's, like Burger King. And they had one player called McDonald's, and so he was running on the field with this quick logo on his back, and then McDonald's the moment.

When I was looking into the Filipino basketball stuff, because it's a huge sport there, they absolutely love it. But I suddenly remembered that Dennis Rodman had been out there a few years back. Dennis Rodman was in the Chicago Bulls. He famously was married to Carmen Electra, and he's been most notable in the news recently because of his relationship with Kim Jong-un.

But when he went out to the Philippines to play in sort of one of those Americans versus the Philippines basketball matches, he met up with his estranged dad, who he hadn't seen for 40 years, who's been living in the Philippines for all these years. He's had 29 children to 16 different wives. And his name, this is his birth name, Philander,

is exactly the same, just exactly the same. It's Philander Rodman, he lives out there, and he runs his own burger shop, which is called Rodman's Rainbow Obama Burger Restaurant, in which you can get different colored buns, and apparently they're really good burgers. Try them out. There are really good names all over the Philippines.

I think the president and his sisters have nicknames, including Pinky, Nunu, and Balzy. Well, there's the classic Cardinal Sin, who was the main Cardinal for years. I think he's passed away now. He died a few years ago. They're amazing sports names all over the world, though. They're so fun.

Remember, I think in 2005, there was a sudden rush on sales of the Peruvian football team, Deportivo Wankers, in Britain, and there's a quote from the club Spokesman, who just came over, and he was like, it is very strange. Everyone in Britain seems to think we have a funny name.

The Wanker are just like Peruvian peoples. It's not a funny word. They decided to, when they were in danger of being relegated, they decided to change their football ground to the highest town in the world, which I think is called Cerro de Pasco, and I probably haven't pronounced that right. But it is 4,400 metres above sea level,

and normal people can't really breathe there or do anything. And so, obviously, these guys are used to it, and they were accused of cheating, because whenever a football team came to play them, they all just kind of started collapsing. That's very cool. They still got relegated, so it did not work. Well, that's amazing.

My favourite basketball fact is somewhat the same. The Spanish basketball team had to return their gold medals of the Paralympics in 2010, because their IQs turned out to be too high. They had a basketball competition for the intellectually disabled world, how do you call it? And so, the Spanish completely cheated for having too high an IQ.

Too high an IQ. That's amazing. Which is not normally an accusation level that many sports people. Whoa! I'm sorry, that's the boy who was picked for the second-last speaking consistently for 13 years of school. Do you know the guy who invented basketball?

John Naismith. His middle name is A, and they don't know what his middle name means. And the family have said, we think he just put it there, like President... Ulysses Esgras? Yeah, yeah. Possibly.

It's just an S, isn't it? It's just an S, yeah, yeah. But one of the discoveries that they've made about this guy is the influences that they reckon that led to the creation of basketball, including a game called... Has anyone heard of this? A duck on a rock?

I've seen that referenced as being one of the inspirations, but what is it? So the idea was that you would have a bunch of kids playing it. You would have a rock, a big stone, on a tree stump, and that would be the duck. And you had to knock the duck off the rock. One person had to stand and protect the duck and make sure it's not knocked off the stump.

The way you knock the big stone off the stump is by throwing rocks at it. Big rocks. So effectively it's a kids game where you were having stones chucked at you, in order to protect another stone. So this is what James Naysmith played as a kid that led to him partially inventing basketball.

I think that sounds fun. Really? Yeah. Stones? I'd have a size limit on the stones you could throw. So he used a peach basket at first, and that was in 1891. They kept using peach baskets until 1906, I think, but they realised really early on

to drill a hole in the peach basket, and then you'd poke a stick up through the hole so you could poke the ball out. When you figured out that you can make a hole, and then you'd think, yeah, let's just make a small one. Just for a stick, that's big enough. I think in what you've been, though, apparently he had a really tense relationship

with the school janitor, because they were all his peach baskets, and he kept on having his peach baskets with holes in them, so I think maybe it was to appease the janitor, he was like, OK, I'll just do a small one. So a hole that's big enough for a stick, but not big enough for a peach.

Yeah, exactly. That makes sense. In Japan, they like to turn games into an official sport. I read it today that they have official rules for pillow fighting now. There's now an official pillow fight association of Japan. There's a referee, so there must be rules. I think it was a Japanese guy who once tried

to get hide-and-seek as an official Olympic game. That's great. Other ones we had on the show were toll wrestling, and then, of course, there's the very famous, I think it's even British, one of the very famous sports called ferret in your pants. What is it?

Well, it's very simple. You have to close your trousers at your ankles, and then you have to put a ferret in your pants, and then you have to close the trousers around your waist. You just wait. You just wait for the rest of your life. And you have to set a world record, and ferrets normally bite,

and they don't let go. The best way to do this is to wait until it bites, and, of course, they like the soft bits more. They say, don't pull them loose because they will bite again. Just leave it. Yeah, just cope with the pain. It's very easy to say that, isn't it? Yeah, just leave it.

It's fine. What are you complaining about? It'll get worse if you pick it. And the world champion is very proud that after his world record, he had three more kids. Oh, wow. That's pretty impressive. All right, let's wrap up on this one.

The guy who sold his name that Leven was talking about is JasonSurfWrap.com, formerly known as JasonHeadsets.com. I'm not sure what his name was before that. I was looking for the rules of pillow fighting. I found the Pillow Fight League of Toronto. They have a few rules there. Rule one is women fighters only, no exceptions.

The first rule. And the last rule is loading a pillow with a foreign object, such as a brick, is strictly forbidden. And then just finally, I found a newspaper article from 1992 about ferrets. This was in the town of Newtown in mid-Wales. This is a group of vigilantes, and they'd had a lot of crime in the area.

And they said, our plan for keeping Law & Order is simple. Anyone we catch in the act of committing a crime will frog march off to the hills where there's no one to hear the screams. We'll hold him down and slip Fred into his trousers. OK, let's move on to fact number three, and Anna, that's your fact. Yeah, my fact is that if you get a zebrafish drunk

and put him in a tank with other zebrafish, the sober ones will follow him around. In a conga line. Yeah, I think they're doing a bit of a dump. Yeah. So, yeah, they've made zebrafish drunk before. They're quite useful fish to study because they're translucent, so you can see what's going on in their bodies without having to slit them open.

But the way they do it is they put drop alcohol into their tanks, and then they take the zebrafish out of the alcoholic tank, drop it in with other zebrafish and another one. And yeah, turns out they all follow him around. And why are they following? They're not entirely sure. So if you get a zebrafish, it's just like humans really. They get more lively and they move faster

and they seem not as afraid of threats and stuff. And so everyone just follows him about because he seems like a cool guy. Follow that fish. Yeah, follow that fish with no fear. Where's it going? We've been following you for hours now. We're still here in the tank. That's cool. I read a story about a drunken moose.

They found it entangled in an apple tree. Yeah, I saw the pictures. Yeah, did you? It's amazing, so to say. Yeah, it happened in Sweden, right? Yeah, it's an amazing photo. How did it get drunk? It got drunk off eating apples.

So the apples were fermented. But it happens a lot that animals get drunk from eating fermented fruit. There was once a documentary where they were showing a drunk elephant and then afterwards turned out that the documentary makers just made him drunk, just gave him a glass. Wow, there's a myth that elephants drink, they get drunk from the amurula fruit, which comes from the murula tree.

And I've found that it's probably not true. Well, unfortunately, unfortunately, either way. But they would have to eat so much of the fruit. And also, I mean, every animal near a murula tree loves the fruit. So they eat it as soon as it drops. Some elephants even push over the trees to get to the higher fruits. So it would be far too quick for it to ferment into enough alcohol. Is it a myth about koalas and eucalyptus?

Do they get high? Dolphins get high by chewing puffinfish. Really? Yeah, a puffinfish has a poison that comes out. So when it's bitten, it blows up and it ejects a poison. And dolphins are big enough, so they just get high. And when they find a puffinfish, they hand it to each other. Like students with joints.

Yeah, they hand it to each other and then they hang upside down in the water. And they're just tripping. Wow! Tripping dolphins. Is there footage of that one? Yes, it was filmed by the BBC. And it was seen for the first time because they used cameras that looked like sea animals. So they built a camera that looked like a sea turtle and the dolphins were not disturbed.

And this was not seen before because they don't do it when they're humans around. To paranoid. On drunk animals, and drunk elephants specifically, elephants do get drunk quite often in India, apparently an elephant expert in Assam claims, because of Indian rice wine. And I don't know why they keep relieving it out, but elephants love Indian rice wine. And so they've stampeded villages and got their rice wine and stuff. And there was an occasion a few years ago, I think maybe in 2004, where they got really drunk on rice beer and they ended up knocking over an electricity pole and four of them got electrocuted.

So drinking is dangerous, not just for humans. But it's not dangerous for another animal called the Pentails tree shrew, which lives in Malaysia. And it's frequently drunk, as in much drunker than humans get. Several times over the legal limit to drive, for example, even if it wasn't, you know, tree shrew. But the equivalent of about nine small glasses of wine is what scientists think based on tree shrew biology and also the effect of the nectar. But they don't get drunk in the same way that humans do. They don't show the same effects behaviorally.

So some scientists think that we might be able to harness the power of the tree shrew to drink. So why would we want to harness something that allows us to drink and not get drunk is beyond me. I don't think that's something that humanity is crying out for. But yeah, that's really cool. I think they pollinate the plant by doing this. And so they'll go keep going back to the bar and getting another sip and slow lorises do it as well. That's cool. I love slow lorises.

Yeah, these slow lorises, I think, is the only mammal that is both venomous and poisonous. And it's the only primate that's venomous at all. They produce poison in their elbows and then they lick it and they have it in their teeth and then they'll bite you with it and they'll inject the poison into you. Wow. So it's not quite venomous because usually you're producing the venom in the same place where you're giving it to your victim. Yeah. Yeah, that's so cute.

Got such a cute reputation. Yeah. Don't let it bite you. In our show, we had a venomous centipede that eats bats. Cool. Yeah, it's 30 centimeters long and it hangs from the top of a cave. And when a bat flies by, it just catches them while they're flying and then eats it complete in two hours, I think. That's amazing.

And we had it on the show and I threw in a piece of chicken and it just ran for it and just grabbed it. I hate centipedes so much. Yeah, I don't like them at all. What about millipedes? I don't like them. I've been reading about legs and centipedes move very fast because they're hunters and millipedes move nice and slowly and gently because they're scavengers, they're not interested in chasing down prey. So I think it's that centipede movement that I don't like.

Fair enough. The one that Leven was talking about is called Scolopendra Gigantia and it's been found in London, the bat eating one. Great. It's been found in South West London, hasn't it? Fortunately, no. It was found by Stuart Hine, a guy who we've met from the Natural History Museum. It was reported to him and it was climbing up someone's living room wall. Wow.

A bite of this centipede is described as 30 beastings in one place for a human. So it's not lethal for a human, but it's extremely painful. James, if you tell me where the living room wall was, I will never go to that postcode in London. We could invent the sport centipede and the pence. Alright, shall we move on? So James, have you got anything you want to add? The misconception about koalas getting high on eucalyptus. Save the koala.com and they're very happy about that at all.

They say the myth possibly arose as a way of explaining why koalas sleep for up to 22 hours a day. They need more sleep than most animals because eucalyptus leaves contain toxins, which kind of sounds like they are getting a bit high, but they're very adamant they're not. That's so sweet that they're trying to defend them from accusations of drug addiction. Like, our little koalas are not just taking drugs and getting high, okay? Good boys. Okay, let's move on to our final fact of the show and Andy, it's you. Okay, the youngest willy mammoths are older than the oldest Egyptian pharaohs.

Mammoths were walking the earth while there were pharaohs in Egypt. Yeah, and after about a thousand years of pharaohs as well. But yes, the last mammoths died out in about 1500 BC, so they were around a lot longer than we think. Oh, so that was actually when the pyramids were built, wasn't it? Yeah. Sounds like a great B movie, pharaohs and mammoths. Yes. We're going to theaters near you.

Yeah. But presumably there weren't any woolly mammoths in Egypt. No. There's no pharaohs riding a woolly mammoth. No. The last ones were in the Arctic. In the Arctic. They were on a place called Wrangel Island, which is amazingly named.

It's now part of Russia. A few people believe they're still around, actually. Yes. Yeah, they were allegedly seen in northern Russia, I think three years ago. It was a YouTube clip, but then it turned out to be false, of course. Yeah. But you have this niche movement of crypto biologists who think that there's many large animals that we haven't found yet, such as Bigfoot, of course.

Yeah. But they also believe in the mammoth. Well, I mean, it's really interesting because we do, when you say, yeah, there might be woolly mammoths out there. Most of us just go, that's impossible. But they have found countless numbers of extinct animals that haven't been extinct. And we had a, in a future podcast coming out, we spoke to an explorer called John Blasherd Snell, who went out to look for a mythical mammoth elephant and managed to find it.

And it was thought to have been extinct. And it turns out it wasn't. And I can't remember. Does anyone remember where he looked for that? The pool? Yeah. And the pool. That was it.

It's a different kind of Asian elephant. Yes. To the one that everyone thought. To the one that everyone thought. Yeah. Yeah. You have this cartoon by XKCD, the internet cartoonist. Yeah.

And he has this timeline. And he says that now that everyone is carrying a photo camera or a video camera everywhere, the odds of finding Bigfoot are getting pretty slim because we had all these messy photos from a big distance, but everybody has a camera everywhere now. So if it exists, we should see it in the coming 10 years or it just is. Or it's not. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaking of fakes, in 2003, a museum in Leonsea abandoned its plans to display a 150,000-year-old four-foot-long woolly mammoth's tusk after a second opinion from a geologist identified it as a length of Victorian drainage pipe. So it did not. They were using tusks for pipes. That's fantastic. That's amazing. Yeah.

I think at this point that the DNA that they found in frozen mammoths is good enough to clone them. They found woolly mammoth blood and muscle tissue inside the bodies, which is a big step towards it. But there are just so many difficulties of cloning beyond the Jurassic Park problem. Finding a host, finding an organism similar enough. But they did clone the ibex, the Pyrenean ibex. But that was an animal which had died out in the 90s and they managed to clone one.

It survived for seven minutes, the one that was born. Seven minutes. Yeah. And then it had lung problems and died as a result of them. But they managed it. And what animal carried it? I don't know. OK.

Maybe, I suppose, a similar ibex? We had a guy on Museum of Curiosity, the radio show that we do. He's a primatologist called Volker Summer. And he was saying one of the dangerous things that you're not allowed to say out loud is that actually humans and great apes could actually still copulate and have a child. There is a story that in Belgian Congo, there was a mix of a bonobo and a human. Really? Yes.

But it's completely unchecked. One of the most famous biologists in Belgium is very fond of this myth and really wants to find it. I think technically that would mean that we are the same species. No, that's only if the children can have children themselves. I am three and a half percent Neanderthal, by the way. You know that for certain? Yeah.

I had my DNA tested. I am three and a half percent Neanderthal. Is that above average? I think the average is two and a half. So I'm a bit more stupid than average. Cool. No, I'm stronger. Sorry.

The place where you test it, when they send the results, they also have a suggestion of buying the T-shirt, three and a half percent Neanderthal. So for every percentage, they have a T-shirt. Do they have maybe one or two, ten percent Neanderthal? How high does it go? I don't think it goes up to ten. I think maybe five or something. There's a highest and the lowest is maybe one and a half or something.

The five is quite a lot. I'm surprised by that. Yeah, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Hey, did you know that with woolly mammoth tusks that if you cut them open, like if you slice in between, you can tell how old the woolly mammoth was by the rings? Like a tree. Yeah, you can count the age of a woolly mammoth by its rings.

The same thing is true for the earwax of whales. What? Wow. Yes. So a whale is a mammal and of course, because of the high pressure, the water would get inside the ears and evolutionary, they developed a plug of earwax inside their ears to keep the water out and it grows every year. So when they find a dead whale, they just cut open the earwax plug and they can count

the ear rings in there. Wow. What a lovely job. Brilliant. Look at that. Disgusting. Yeah, and they can even find chemicals in the rings so they know in what year it was exposed to certain chemicals.

Shall we? James, do you want to add anything? The ibex was surrogated in a domestic goat and that worked okay. One quick more year in fact. Yes. You might have heard this. The oldest tree in the world, I think there's this wood in California where they have really old trees up to 4,000, 5,000 years old.

And one guy was testing them and he had a special drill. You had to drill into the tree and then take it out and you could count the yearings. And it was a very expensive drill, it was a new one. So he put it in the tree and then he couldn't get it out again. And then one of the guys there said, oh, let's just cut down the trees. There's lots of them here and cut them down. And then he took this sample and he started counting and found out that this was the oldest tree ever seen in the world that he had just cut down.

And the other oldest living tree is in another state. So they were very angry because now the other state had the oldest tree in the world. And he had to quit his job and he moved to studying lakes. And I'm always wondering. You can't cut down a lake at least. Well, I'm always wondering if he ever studied the Aral Lake which is slowly drying up. Of course. It might be his fault too.

OK, that's it. That's all of our facts. Thanks so much for listening, everyone. If you want to get in touch with any of us about any of the things we've said in this episode, we can all be good on Twitter. I'm on at Shriverland. Andy. Andrew Hunter M. Anna.

Still not there. Got an email address there. OK, what's your email address? I'm not going to give it out. Thanks. Cheers. You can get Anna, though, on at Quikipedia. She's often on that. James, what are you on?

At Eggshaked. And our special guest, Levan. At Levan Scaredy. Great, fantastic. We're going to have lots of these videos and links and all that sort of stuff we've been talking about in this episode up on qi.com slash podcast. So if you want to check out anything there and we'll be back again next week. Thanks, everyone, for listening to this episode and no such thing as a fish.

Goodbye.