No Such Thing As A Fish - 173: No Such Thing As Symphony For Sizzurp In D Minor

Episode Date: July 14, 2017

Dan, James, Anna and Andy discuss weather-forecasting rainbows, Mexico's artistic tax policy and the mandatory Big Book of Tennis Rules....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber, and I'm sitting here with Anna Chazinski, Andrew Hunter Murray, and James Harkin. Once again, we have gathered round the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days, and in no particular order, here we go. Starting with you, Andy. My fact is, that to be a tennis umpire, you have to learn a 230 page book.
Starting point is 00:00:43 It's a rule book specifically. Yeah, tennis. It's not a novel. And this is specifically the US Tennis Association, so over in Britain we've got the Lawn Tennis Association, which is a slightly different thing. It's the more off-you-know rules, do you think, for the Lawn one? I don't know. It's going to be similar, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:01:02 Probably a similar length. Yeah. But I have been reading the rules of Wimbledon, and so is Wimbledon the same guidebook? Wimbledon is Lawn Tennis, so there's a slight change. Changed horse is almost immediately, in fact. I think the rules are generally going to be the same, aren't they? It's not like in Wimbledon, you're allowed to kick the ball over. In American tennis, you have to hit it outside the lights.
Starting point is 00:01:24 When they have to learn it, do they get tested on it? Do they have to memorize the whole thing? Can they not keep it as a reference in their pocket? Well, I... Check it as they go through. I used to be a football referee. I was qualified as a football referee, and you have to do an exam. So you really only have to learn what comes up on the exam, really.
Starting point is 00:01:41 It's kind of like saying for a driving test, you have to learn a 500-page book on the rules of driving, but actually, you can't recite that from start to finish, can you? Can't you? Can't you? Go on. That's why you're constantly crashing your car over the place. Whereas I, who I'm constantly referring to, a 500-page book. Go on, give us some rules.
Starting point is 00:01:59 All right. So, I think it's quite well known that at Wimbledon, you can get fined for swearing. Yes. Can you? Yeah. I didn't know that. You can find $20,000 if you swear. Does it depend on the word?
Starting point is 00:02:10 No. Oh, so you might as well use the strongest one. You may as well, yeah. But if you go... Is that...that's if you're a player, right? If you're a player. Okay, so I'm just walking around the grounds. Oh, fuck, he's overcharged me for my beer, and they take you away.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Thank you. That could have bought you one pun of strawberries. No, if you go out in the first round, though, that is nearly half your winnings you would have spent on swearing once. Oh. Wow. Wow. And the umpires and the staff, they have to learn swear words in other languages, in
Starting point is 00:02:41 case a Latvian tennis player swears in Latvian. That makes so much sense. Yeah. It's interesting about the people being paid if you lose in the first round. Because that was in the news last week, because people were losing in the first round, injured, and they knew they were injured going into it, but they've turned up and played anyway, and then just given up halfway through to get the money. And the thing is, they've worked to get there.
Starting point is 00:03:03 You know what I mean? Over the whole year, they've got their rankings high enough that they get to where they are, so they kind of...it's fair enough, I think. I think it's totally fair enough. I've been like one of us turning up with no facts. That's me every week. Right, yeah, but every week we find you 20,000 pounds. Dan, over the last three years, has done enough to earn his place and done enough to just turn up with no facts.
Starting point is 00:03:25 Yeah. I'll tell you what's bad, though, is the fact that tickets to Wimbledon cost a fortune. To get centre court as well, you're paying huge amounts of money, well in advance. So, on this particular day we're talking about in this current Wimbledon competition, Federer was playing. So, you're thinking, I get to see Federer centre court of Wimbledon. This guy pulls out 25 minutes into the match or so. Next match, Djokovic comes on.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Same thing happens. Guy pulls out. So, you've got centre court tickets for two of the great tennis players of our time. You do expect that in the first round. Don't get centre court tickets in the first round. What? I don't really get some for the final and semi. The box.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Obviously, it's ridiculous, but there just should be rules. It's stupid to imagine that an individual should make that decision. There just needs to be health checks. So, in normal tennis, that's not the grand slams, they do have the rules. So, if you're injured, but you've already qualified, you get your money. And then, like a substitute comes in and they play and they only get money if they win. So, if they lose, they don't get anything. But if they go through to the second round, they do get money.
Starting point is 00:04:24 They don't play under your name. You've been there. They have to put on a mustache if you've got a mustache. Learn these swear words in my language. But I think it was, it might have been the other Andy Murray's idea to do that. And they brought it in this year as a trial and it seems to be working quite well. That's cool. I like that.
Starting point is 00:04:42 The other Andy Murray. Yeah. You've been the other Andy Murray until now, literally now when you just said that. But just on the swearing thing quickly. Yeah. There is another rule which is about visible obscenity, which I had never read before. And so, it's this. For the purposes of this rule, visible obscenity, stop doing that, James, with your hands,
Starting point is 00:05:01 is visible obscenity is defined as the making of signs by a player with his hands and or racket or balls that commonly have an obscene meaning. And does it define what they mean by balls in that situation? There's even a rule on abuse of balls. Abuse of balls. Yeah. Players shall not violently dangerously or with anger hit, kick or throw a tennis ball. Because that happened.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Was that Tim Henman did that once? Yes. He's the first player ever to be kicked out of Wimbledon for, yeah. What? No. Yeah. Because you, so another thing that swearing does for you is if you don't get a fine, you get a penalty point and you can be penalized out of a match.
Starting point is 00:05:40 So, there's a famous example of a guy called Bryden Klein. He was facing a guy called Sam Groff and during the match he served and this was in the final game. He was losing, served into the net and just yelled out, stupid, stupid person. Talking about himself, he claims, but the umpire said, I don't know who you directed that at, but that's rude. You've been given a penalty point and because he got one earlier in the match, the match was over.
Starting point is 00:06:05 They didn't even get to finish the match. Stupid, stupid person. Yeah. Stupid, stupid person. Named him Latvian. Yeah. The funniest bit about it though, is that he looked to the other player to say, hey, come on, like bail me out here.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Like, you know, that was me. And the guy said, I'd like to help you, but it's too tough to call from here. And he pointed to the lines woman and so the guy who said, stupid, stupid person said, she's a 60 year old lady wearing like a, and then he stopped himself because he was like, oh, I'm about to get another penalty point. I read some of the rules. This is for normal tennis, which is not Wimbledon. One of them is quite good.
Starting point is 00:06:38 The event organizer has to announce how many balls they'll have before the event in play at any time. Okay. And the number of balls for play is either two, three, four or six. Oh, I want to know what happened with five. Why not five? Yeah. Why not five?
Starting point is 00:06:57 I completely understand that. It's to do with how many are in a can. You wouldn't open a new can for just one ball, I guess, but you wouldn't have seven either. There's just something that feels a bit wrong about it. So you're allowed two or three, but no other prime numbers. Is that what you're saying? Yes.
Starting point is 00:07:13 That's exactly. Yes. Exactly. I think it might be dance explanation because you do get cans in three or four portions, but then you wouldn't be able to get one and two either. That doesn't make any sense. One tennis ball can will be a very sorry sight indeed. It's like a tiny Pringles.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Based on balls, I didn't know this, but men and women tennis play with different balls. The only reason that I read about this was that in March 27th at the Miami Open, Andy Murray mid game complained to the umpire that he was playing with women balls and the idea is that the female ball is much quicker, much speedier. You have so many dominant male servers in the game that it means that they're almost unreturnable. The male tennis ball is a bit more fluffy, which means a bit more drag in the air, which means that it slows the game down.
Starting point is 00:08:07 And with the female balls, it just has way more speed on it. That is amazing. That's when I learned as well when Andy Murray complained about that. And I think the whole country went when he did that. What the hell? There are women's balls. Yeah. And I felt like Andy Murray had leaked something that maybe no one was supposed to know.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Yeah. Because I have read an article about the behind the scenes of Wimbledon basically and it refers to the guy who is basically the ballmaster, who's a man called Brian and Wimbledon uses two lorries of balls every year, uses 57,000 balls and they're all kept at the same temperature in rooms under center court. And apparently they're now divided into men's and ladies' balls and no one mentions them. But this is why I think the can argument for them being no five ball games can't be right because they've got a lorry load of them, right?
Starting point is 00:08:54 It doesn't really matter about having five or six or seven, right? But do you think they're just balls, free balls stuffed into a lorry and they open the lorry and they all cascade out? I'm thinking of it as the world's greatest ball pit. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. The thing is though, the lorry carrying the ladies' balls actually drives a lot faster to get to Wimbledon because it's got less fluff on the outside of it.
Starting point is 00:09:17 So one thing that they're really strict on at Wimbledon is clothing. And I didn't realise how many players have objected to this in the past. So obviously at Wimbledon you have to wear all whites, which isn't the same as other grand slams. And Andre Agassi refused to play at Wimbledon until he was 21, which I know doesn't sound very old, but you know, he didn't play in the juniors or anything. I too refused to play at Wimbledon until I was 21. I'm still refusing actually.
Starting point is 00:09:41 I won't say change that rule. You're in. But yeah, he refused and then eventually he succumbed and said, oh, I'm obviously going to win this a bunch of times. So I'll play. I used to wear denim shorts to play his grand slams, which is an insane thing to wear. There was a woman in Eugenie Bouchard, who I think still plays, but Eugenie Bouchard in 2015 got a dress code violation for there was a black bra strap showing.
Starting point is 00:10:06 So there's only one centimetre of any other colour allowed at Wimbledon and she was wearing a white sports bra underneath because the rules say, as you will know if you've read this document that any undergarments that either are or can be visible during play brackets, including due to perspiration, clothes brackets must be completely white as in, make sure when you wet your white shirt, you can't see a black bra underneath. What if your perspiration gives you miscolored stains? Oh, yeah. What if you piss yourself?
Starting point is 00:10:35 I don't know if you really actually find 20 grand for pissing yourself on center court. Especially as you go to the umpire, I've pissed myself and they go, that's another 20 grand. Actually, last year there was controversy. There was a Uruguayan player called Pablo Cuevas and he was accused of urinating into a ball can during a match under his towel. He was issued with a code violation, although Wimbledon chiefs did say, and I'm quoting it, no urination was involved. So he just got his willy out and put it in a ball can, you might want to cool it down
Starting point is 00:11:14 That's true. Yeah. I was playing tennis the other day and we lost a crucial point because what ended up happening was my doubles partner hit the ball, didn't quite capture it and hit it again in the same swing. You know, you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to do that. It turns out reading this rule book, it says you are allowed to do that.
Starting point is 00:11:31 We lost that crucial point in the same. It has to be in the same follow through the same swing. So if you hit it in the ball bounces, obviously that's, you can't do that. If you hit it away and you chase after it and you get it, but if it's in literally the same motion and you just almost scoop it slightly, well, like golf, for instance, where if you do a double hit that counts as a penalty, but because surely once you hit it is moving away from you faster than the depends how good you are because sometimes your first hit is only almost a stopping point for it.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Let's say it hits the rim of the racket and then it kind of slows down and then you kind of hit it with the strings. So I think, I think that's why it's probably exists is because that does often happen. You rim it and then it hits the other bit of your racket and it's a double hit. So I've seen you play tennis, haven't you? You struggle with single hits. I do, I do. In Wimbledon, not only do they have 230 page rule book for the games, they have a rule
Starting point is 00:12:27 book for the queue. Well, there's rules anyway. You get given it in the queue as soon as you join. Yeah. Because it's a main big thing, isn't it? The queue. Yeah. People stay there for days.
Starting point is 00:12:39 There's no barbecues, no gazebos, no music after 10pm and any tent can only hold a maximum of two people. Why is that? Is it to stop? Or three or four or six, but that's fine. No, it's to stop having massive tents because there's only a certain amount of space they want. But couldn't you have a massive tent but only two of you in it?
Starting point is 00:13:00 Well, again, that's the kind of thing that's trying to stop, I think. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah, I've done the queue and they try to make it fun. It is. You start queuing it. I think we started queuing it four in the morning and we managed to get onto one of the very outer courts.
Starting point is 00:13:11 I don't think I've ever done anything fun that began at 4am. Except for if you've been up until four, right? Oh, yeah. There you go. I've never done that. The thing about the grass at Wimbledon I found out is that it's obviously they're very, very... I was about to say precious. They're just very precise about the grasses and it's treated.
Starting point is 00:13:30 It's shaved by exactly a millimetre each week for 12 weeks. The guy who does it, the head groundsman, is called Neil Stubbley. No. Yes. That's great. So you would have to kneel down to make it Stubbley. Yeah. Did you see that that study just came out that says you can predict who's going to win
Starting point is 00:13:50 a tennis match based on the noises they make and they're grunting? If the noises are making up, oh, shit, they're going to lose. It's kind of similar. So they analyzed a bunch of top tennis players and the pitch of the grunts they make and the higher pitch the grunts go, the more likely it is you'll lose and in every case you get higher and higher, you're getting less and less good at tennis. Funny. You don't grunt at all when playing tennis.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Neither do I. No, I don't. Neither of you elite sports people. I mean, I do sometimes say things like, that's another game to you. But a lot of people think that even though it's not against the rules, grunting is against the spirit of the rules. Because it basically gives you a non-fair advantage according to some people over the opposition.
Starting point is 00:14:34 It does. Wasn't there a specific coach who's like known as the grunt coach? Yeah. He's called Nick Bollettieri, right? And he looked after Celers, Agassi, Sharapova and the Williams sisters and they're all big grunters and he says that actually he doesn't tell them to do that. It just so happens to be the case that they do. But then other people think that he's telling them to do it because it stops you from being
Starting point is 00:14:56 able to hear the sound the ball makes on the racket and that might be able to give you some clue as to what spin might be on it or whatever. There was a study that did show that grunting makes people respond more slowly in tennis and so it is a non-fair advantage. I saw yesterday morning on the BBC there was a little piece with David Attenborough which was really exciting because he's very much involved with Wimbledon in a large way. So Attenborough is the one who turned it into colour television and there were interesting things that happened with that.
Starting point is 00:15:25 One is that's when they started using yellow tennis balls. Up until then they used white tennis balls and the reason they started doing that is obviously colour television. It was much more visual for people to see as it was going on. And there was this other thing. I haven't been able to find it online but it was said in this piece which is that the trophy that they now use is not the original Wimbledon trophy. It's a different trophy because the original one just didn't look that good on camera.
Starting point is 00:15:47 It was actually black and white. It was a black and white trophy. Yeah, no, they started using this different trophy which is gold and so it's more tele-visual. We'll get rid of that old coal and chalk trophy that we've been using. It looked great live but they also used tennis courts used to be hourglass shaped, didn't they, until Wimbledon came along. I mean really, really early tennis courts. Yeah, no, I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:16:10 So until Wimbledon was established, I think the first Wimbledon was in 1877. That was when they decided to make the rectangular but before that they used to go in at the net. So they were like... Is Wimbledon kind of the originator of all these grand slams? Is it the original grand slam? I think it was the first. It must be.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Because before that it was just croquet. It really beat out croquet. It's a bit sad. We could all... So the reason croquet disappeared was that they thought, let's start playing tennis on these croquet lawns a bit and then everyone went, oh, this is a better sport, isn't it? Also, the fact that croquets are pretty shit spot. The world...
Starting point is 00:16:41 Penalty. Penalty. Language. One more, you're out, mate. I think croquet is a great sport. You can be really devious and... Oh, yeah. It's not great.
Starting point is 00:16:50 I think you see the true side of human nature when you play croquet. Where do you guys learn about football? The Uber CEO, as in Uber's CEO. Not the chief of all the CEOs. Not the chief of all the CEOs. He's been involved in what people are calling a tennis scandal. Is he the current one or the one who's just left? This is Travis Kalanick, the one who just left.
Starting point is 00:17:12 His biography on the website, amongst many other things of what he's done in the past, also claims that he managed to rack up the second highest Wii tennis score in the world. People are now claiming that they think that that's not possible. Yeah, I think it's not possible. Yeah, largely because there is no game called Wii Tennis. You've got Wii Sports in which it's a game within it, but that doesn't have a leaderboard, so it can't be that. There's another game which is called Wii Grand Slam Tennis, and...
Starting point is 00:17:39 There's a third one which is called Wii in your tennis ball container. Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is Achazinski. My fact this week is that in Mexico, artists can pay their taxes in artwork. It's amazing. It's so weird. It's the only country where you could do this, unsurprisingly. And yeah, it's this rule that's actually existed since, I think it's 1957 that it was first suggested, and it's the idea that artists, if they can't pay their taxes or don't want
Starting point is 00:18:16 to, they instead donate a work of art as a portion of their sales. And so it's not even done on monetary value. The way it's done is that for every five pieces of art you sell, you pay an additional one to the government. So if you sell up to five pieces of art, you pay one, and then if you sell more, it becomes like a progressive taxation system, and the maximum number you have to give to the government any year is five works of art. That's interesting.
Starting point is 00:18:39 So let's say you sell four incredible, massive works of art, and then you just do one doodle on a napkin. Does that count? Yeah. That's a great question. I don't think it does count, because apparently there is a committee to make sure that people don't take the piss. So it's basically you have to give them an average one, which means you're paying 20%,
Starting point is 00:18:56 I guess, right? Yeah. Well, they're not clear. I think it's a little bit more touchy-feely than that. So yeah, there's this jury, which is 10 other artists who judge the quality of the painting and decide whether it's for an artist, that's got to be hard, isn't it? This one's a bit touchy. What?
Starting point is 00:19:14 And some of them rejected in the last few years, there were some famous artists who had their paintings rejected as taxes, which is pretty harsh. But yeah, and then they go, okay, we'll accept this one as tax, sure. So in South Carolina, you can donate a deer carcass and get tax credit for it. There's a venison for charity tax credit. And so you don't pay tax on $50 if you donate a dead deer to the government. Is there a box when you're doing your tax form? Just numbers, the amount of dead deers you've got in your garage waiting to be submitted?
Starting point is 00:19:49 So hang on. So presumably hunting is allowed. Yeah. It's not that you find a deer that's died of natural causes. I guess they'd have to accept that as well. I don't think they specify cause of death. Okay. They're not going to have a mortician for every single carcass that comes in, are they?
Starting point is 00:20:05 That would probably cost more than the $50 you're saving on the tax. But you would hope that they test the quality of the venison because you don't want some old bit of rotting roadkill being sent to the charity. There's a committee of 10 chefs. The World Bank and PricewaterhouseCooper came up with a check for who has the most complicated tax code in the world. And the way they did that is they imagined a hypothetical ceramic flowerpot manufacturer. And this manufacturer has one building, two plots of land, one truck and 60 employees.
Starting point is 00:20:39 And they work out how difficult it would be for that person to do their taxes, okay? If you were in the Maldives, it would take you less than an hour to comply with the Maldives tax code. And in Brazil, it would take 2,600 hours, what to do it? Which is 108 days of non-stop work? No. Yeah. That is insane.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Yeah. They just got an incredibly complicated tax code. Is there much tax avoidance in Brazil? Because I imagine that would surely encourage people to avoid tax. Well, that's the argument, isn't it, that why you should simplify your tax code in every country? Because in America, in 1913, their tax code was 400 pages, and now it's 70,000 pages, which is about 280 times longer than the tennis law book.
Starting point is 00:21:27 All right. All right. But in India at the moment, for instance, they've massively simplified their tax, a thing called GST, where there's just four basic rates now, whereas in the past, all the different areas and villages would all have their different tax codes and they simplified it. That's what we have in Australia, GST. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Goods and standards taxes, isn't it? Exactly. That's the biggest place that has ever done it. So in India, there's $2 trillion economy with 1.3 billion consumers, but it's so important to them. This has happened only in the last week or so. There was a baby named GST. That's great.
Starting point is 00:22:06 In Australia, apparently, there's a Queen B tax. The only Queen Bs pay. That's right. No, if you sell a Queen B for over $20, you have to pay 10% to the government. Come on. Who's selling a Queen B for $20? For over. For over.
Starting point is 00:22:22 It feels like a lot for a B. Are you joking? A Queen B? A Queen B? An individual B, yes. That's a great mistake. I still think that's a lot for a B. No.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Don't be. They're so small. They produce a whole hive. I mean, diamond rings are quite small, aren't they? Well, how much do you think I spent on my wife's engagement ring? That's why it's a hula hoop. I think that is a lot. Are you joking?
Starting point is 00:22:42 No. Because they're so important. They'll yield so much money. You'd make such a profit out of $20. I think the normal price would be hundreds of dollars for a Queen B. That's what I paid for my last Queen B, and I just want you to be insinuating I was taken for a fool. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Is a Queen B pregnant at the time? I think you might need a drone or two. Yes, so then how much do you pay for that one? I think they're cheap. They're super cheap. Remember you could rent one? We did that years ago. That was one of our first facts on the show.
Starting point is 00:23:10 But that's what I mean, because to rent a B is like one cent per hour per B or something stupid like that. So the Queen B is comparatively a lot more than that. It is. And at the end of the day, they're all still bees. But if you leave a Queen B somewhere, it'll attract a load of other bees. Oh, that's why they just find them. That's why bees keep on, you see a car covered in bees somewhere.
Starting point is 00:23:32 That's because there's a Queen B under the bonnet. So really what you're doing is you're paying for the Queen B, but actually you're getting hundreds of thousands of other bees. It's like a Sky TV deal, I imagine, where you pay for a sky but actually get loads of channels. Right. Except every channel is a B. And Sky One is the Queen B, is it? Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:23:51 It seems expensive if you think you're just buying Sky One. But you're actually getting loads of Sky TV. I do understand that now. I'm glad I put it into terms you can understand. Did you finish your story or did we cut you off at Queen B? I think we extended it far beyond. The IRS in America, one of the things that's tax deductible for them is ransom. For kidnapped loved ones.
Starting point is 00:24:19 If you pay to have your loved one returned, that's tax deductible. That's brilliant. Oh God, that's an expense. So that's not true in Britain because in Britain it's counted as a bribe. And bribes are illegal and you're not allowed to claim them back anything illegal. But in America you can. And was it John Paul Getty? Yes, the third.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Yeah, one of his family were kidnapped and they ranced him for X amounts and he said he'd only pay Y amount and that was the maximum expense that he was allowed to claim or something like that. Yeah, so John Paul Getty the third was kidnapped and it was his father who said he would pay the ransom but only up to 2.2 million because then that's the maximum that was allowed for tax deduction. Did he still understand that he couldn't go above that otherwise it would be taxed? I think he would have because I think he would have been brought up in the way that his dad conducted business. He said that Warren Buffett submitted his first tax return when he was doing newspaper and milk rounds. So like, you know, I think this guy would have been in a similar like, oh, that makes sense dad.
Starting point is 00:25:21 I like the excuse of something my dad told me. So Ken Dodd was accused of not paying taxes for a while. He was accused by the Inland Revenue and I feel like you when you made that face were doing an impression of Ken Dodd. I'm really sorry if that's not what you're trying to do. I wasn't. I once met Ken Dodd. Yeah, he was a museum, wasn't he? And he said to me, do I know you?
Starting point is 00:25:40 And I said, I don't think so. And he said, yeah, I know you. We were on the same police lineup together. Weren't we funny guy? He is funny. So apparently he the Inland Revenue said you haven't been paying us for years. And he said, I didn't think it applied to me. I live by the seaside.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Did he? No, no, Doddy. Oh, yeah, it's a joke. Andy, I was sorry. In 2015, one person living on a street in Hull complained that they were paying more council tax than all of their neighbours. They went to the council and the council opted all of their neighbours' council tax. Turned out that made their life a lot worse, I imagine. OK, it is time for fact number three and that is James.
Starting point is 00:26:35 OK, my fact this week is that the size of a rainbow can tell you how polluted the air is. So is the rainbow more of a prominent feature in a more polluted area? It's not really easy for us to see, but if you're a scientist and you have the right equipment, you can see very small changes. So if there are chemicals like acid rain, it would change the size of the droplets, which would change the size of the bow. So they look at that and they can tell exactly what chemicals are in the air. Do you know like double rainbows? Actually, this isn't double rainbows, twin rainbows, which is a slightly different thing. You can have two rain showers that are kind of near each other, one with small raindrops and one with fat raindrops.
Starting point is 00:27:20 And they will give you two different rainbows and they'll start in the same bottom left hand corner or bottom right hand corner and they'll come round and one will be higher than the other. I've seen one of those before. They're quite rare. I saw it once and that's it. Where did you see it? I think it was in Austria at the time. Really? I really liked James' tone when he went, they're quite rare.
Starting point is 00:27:44 I think you probably just saw a double rainbow, Dan, because that's unbelievable. So it looks like it's sprouting from the same origin, but then it sprouts into two different rainbows. No, I wasn't listening. I've seen a really big rainbow, that's what I was saying. I can't tell if you're joking now. So you can get a quadruple rainbow. Wow! There was a photograph online of a quadruple rainbow. It wasn't really a quadruple rainbow, it was just four rainbows. You can see why they mistook that.
Starting point is 00:28:15 Yeah, you can see it, but it was a rookie error. A photograph of a quadruple rainbow just looks like two rainbows. And the reason is that you've got two in front of you, say the sun is behind you, you've got two rainbows in front of you, and then they reflect backwards, and so the other two are behind you. So it's impossible to take a photo of all four of them at the same time, unless you do like a panoramic picture. And they're extremely, extremely, extremely rare, so you've probably only seen a few of those. I've seen six of them, and no more. I think there's only one photograph of them ever, and it's only two of them.
Starting point is 00:28:50 It's not of the other two. Why? Because the camera couldn't get them in? Because two are in front of you and two are always behind you. Dan, have you been listening to any of this? You've literally just explained that. Do you know you can get white rainbows? That's a cloud, mate, that you saw in the cloud. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:29:08 No, Dan, they're big and fluffy, and they float in the sky. No, these are light rainbows. They get called fog bows. So if you've got fog in the air, that's where the water droplets hanging in the air are incredibly microscopically tiny. So you do get the rainbow effect, but they're so small that they don't actually show colour. They are stunning. You can get all red rainbows as well. Just a single red.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Terrifying. And a lot shorter song as well. Yeah, they're sort of evening time, aren't they? So it depends where the sun is in the sky, the kind of colour of your rainbow. They gradually start to lose their colours one by one, don't they? The shorter wavelengths die first. That's a good title for something. Like a murder set at a radio station at Murder Mystery.
Starting point is 00:29:56 The shorter wavelengths die first. Yeah, in Norway where they've just turned off their FM radio. So it's a Scandi noir drama. But it's kind of also about the progress of technology and leaving behind more data. It's got lots of layers. Like a rainbow. Just on the red rainbow, there's actually a physicist who in his lab has been creating red rainbows as well using lasers. He's a physicist at the von Karmen Institute for fluid dynamics in Belgium.
Starting point is 00:30:27 And he shoots a laser into a droplet. And so he gets these tiny rainbows that are all red. And he says that the form of the rainbow, under those kind of controlled conditions, you can precisely determine what shape it's going to be, what size it's going to be, what the composition and temperature of it is, purely by looking at the droplet before it's sprayed out. How cool is that? I would say that's like a really small version of this thing, which is that the size of the droplets and what they're composed of depends on what the rainbow looks like on a bigger scale as well.
Starting point is 00:30:59 And that's how you can tell all the pollution and stuff. So he says just to put it into super cool, dorky words for this particular small one he does in the lab, every single droplet has its own unique rainbow fingerprint already in it. So cool. Do you guys like rainbows? Quick question. Yeah. OK.
Starting point is 00:31:21 I'm more for them than against them. That's two yeses. I'm a huge yes. OK. Three. Well, not everyone likes rainbows. So this is something from Amazonian cultures and rainbows there are very bad luck, as in they're associated with skin problems, with having miscarriages if you're pregnant.
Starting point is 00:31:42 This doesn't make any sense there. So clearly it's such a positive, happy vision. I think it's one of those glass half empty things because it's caused by sunshine and rain. Now, if it's always sunny and then you get some rain, then it could be a bad thing. But if it's always rainy, like it is in Britain, then the fact that there's a rainbow means at least there's some sun around. OK. This is from Wikipedia, I should say. But there is a saying.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Rainbows are shit. That's right. How does that translate? There are diseases in one Peruvian language called Ayona achatan, which means the rainbow hurt my skin. That's what you might say to the doctor. And it's traditional to close your mouth at a rainbow, otherwise you'll catch a disease. Oh, wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:27 So I'm just saying they're not all good. So the Skittles adverts over there would not have gone down there at all, would they? Do not taste the rainbow. So the rainbow flag for Pride has all the rainbow colours and it used to have a shocking pink band. And the reason they did away with that is because they couldn't mass produce the pink cloth. All the others were easy to make, but this was a cloth that wasn't very easy to make because the first guy who did it, he kind of made it himself just a one-off. He didn't think of it being a mass produced thing.
Starting point is 00:33:00 And then it became really popular and they needed to make loads of them, but they couldn't get the pink. It was after the Stonewall riots, wasn't it? That suddenly in the late 70s, suddenly there was this massive demand for these flags and they couldn't get it. But then it had, so how many colours do you think are in the flag now? I think seven. Six. Did you just sing the rainbow song and still come up with six? I took out one.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Did you? Why? Any reason? Well, I put white in, since I've learnt about some new rainbow. You should have come up with eight then. I didn't sing the full song, I kind of backed out and thought, I feel like there's only a few left. Hang on Dan, I think we need to test something quickly. What are the colours in a rainbow? Oh no. Red and yellow and pink. Well actually all the colours are in a rainbow.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Hang on, it is pink, isn't it? No, there's no pink in the rainbow. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue. What's the song? The song is not the actual colours of the rainbow, that's just a fun song you learnt as a child. Hang on, was I singing the right lyrics though? You were singing the right song. Now who's the fool?
Starting point is 00:34:06 But the colours in the rainbow are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. That's the colours that you learn, although actually, you know, it's just emerging. I'd like to job ship to that as fact that it's correct. I too was fooled by the song. What a lie of a song. Just take something that people need to remember in day to day life. It's like having a song, January and February and orange and purple. It is mean and I can understand why you thought that it went red, orange, whatever the song goes.
Starting point is 00:34:36 So what is it? There are seven colours in the rainbow, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. And the pride flag used to have, as we've said, it used to have eight because it had these and the hot pink. And then it went down to seven. But then it only has six colours in it now, which I'd never noticed. Do you think that maybe it wasn't that the material was too expensive? It's that the creator of the flag also was basing it off the song. And then someone said, what's pink doing there?
Starting point is 00:34:58 And he thought, oh, we can't stay anyway. It's so expensive. So no, it wasn't because of that. He knew the colours of the rainbow, this guy. The reason they lost the next colour was because when the flag was round around poles, then one colour would get lost because it would be wound around the pole. So they needed an even number of colours, basically. It must be a pole going.
Starting point is 00:35:20 It wasn't a vertical stripe, was it? It must be a horizontal pole. What it said was when hung vertically from the lamppost of San Francisco's Market Street, the centre stripe. So if it was hung vertically, the centre stripe went around the pole. And so they decided they needed an even number so that that middle stripe wasn't kind of, I don't know, didn't disappear into the pole. That's why they did it. And Philadelphia this year has added a couple of extra colours to their flag that they have been using as a nod to racial diversity. So they've gone up to eight, I think, again.
Starting point is 00:35:56 So they've added brown and black. The other colours stand for really fun stuff, don't they? It's such a shame they lost the pink. So the person who designed it said that the hot pink stood for sex. So the others stand for life, healing, sunlight, nature, magic, serenity and spirit. But they've lost the sex now. They should have got rid of the magic one. Why is magic even in there?
Starting point is 00:36:18 I'm glad that stayed. The other thing is that we were saying about there being seven colours in the rainbow. I think that was Newton who decided that, wasn't it? The reason being, we think probably just because seven was like a magical number. It was like the seven C's. It's his favourite number. It was just a good number. And so he kind of looked and decided there were seven distinct bands.
Starting point is 00:36:40 And actually, if you look at a rainbow, you can decide really yourself how many bands there are. There's pretty much an infinite number. Although I always, because I think we've done that on QI. And so I always look at rainbows and think, OK, get beyond the seven thing. Newton just made it up. But I still only ever see seven colours. I can't see more or less. He passed away this year.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Newton. Yeah, sorry to break it to you. He had a good innings. Gilbert Baker, who is the creator of the rainbow flag, passed away this year, sadly. Yeah. Newton as well in the same year. It's been a big... 2017!
Starting point is 00:37:21 OK, it is time for our final fact of the show. That is my fact. My fact this week is that a new study has revealed that the genre of music with the most references to drugs is country music. Country music has, according to the survey, 1.6 mentions per song on average of drug usage. And they did a list of genres which used most drug references. So it started with country music, then jazz, then pop, electronic, rock, folk, and then at last, rap. You missed out, OTHER. Yeah, I know, I wasn't...
Starting point is 00:37:57 Because that's my favourite genre. Other is just underneath rock, but above folk. I thought country was folk, so I'm on a learning curve today. That is unbelievable though. I think that's really amazing that rap has the fewest references. I think some people have looked at the methodology of this and aren't sure how it ended up right. We were talking about this, weren't we? It just seems so unbelievable that this is the case.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Well, what they did, they took, didn't they? The lyrics of many, many thousands of songs, and they had a list of drug-related words. Quite a lot of drug-related words that they plugged in. And then they went through manually making sure that, you know, if someone says, REFA, they're not actually singing a song about... The Coral Reef. The man who works on a Coral Reef. Yeah, exactly. And a lot of rap songs are about people who work on Coral Reefs, so that's probably why.
Starting point is 00:38:48 I wondered if the methodology went wrong, in that they're not cool enough to understand some of the more modern drug references, because they came up with this list of 65 names for drugs. And so the examples that were in this article were things like Addy, Blow, Molly, Roxy, and Scissor. S-I-Z-Z-U-R-P. So if they feature in a song, that counts as a drug. But maybe rap's just using way more modern, cool slang, that these guys don't know about.
Starting point is 00:39:14 As opposed to Scissor, the classic 1920s slang for... What is Scissor? I've never heard Scissor before, and you're saying it like it's a hackneyed old term. It's such a good word to rhyme with. If you're writing a song about burping, then you're going to need a Scissor. It's the only thing that rhymes. I don't know what a Scissor is. I don't think anyone has ever heard of Scissor, except the person who wrote whatever song refers to it.
Starting point is 00:39:37 And then I'm just saying that they've got this list, but maybe they've missed things out that rap's using. I think they also used a lot of songs. Perhaps you wouldn't hear on normal country music stations. Yes. And actually the more popular ones probably aren't about Scissor and the other drugs. But they weren't counting... Because they had a list of the drugs that they were looking for as well, and they didn't include alcohol. But I reckon if you throw alcohol in, you know, country music has quite a lot of references to that, doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:40:04 Yeah, tons. So I've just googled Scissor. Yeah, it is a purple drink, a mix of codeine-based prescription cough syrup, soda, and often Jolly Rancher's candy. Sounds quite nice, doesn't it? Yeah. But don't do it, kids. That sounds so country, though. Jolly Rancher's candy, and then some prescription drugs, classic country music.
Starting point is 00:40:27 You can't really imagine Snoop Dogg on the Scissor, could you? But weirdly, that's a word that's closely... I would associate more with Snoop than anyone else. Scissor for a dessert. Yeah, exactly. It's interesting. I wonder if in other... Reggae's not on this list. Blues is not on this list.
Starting point is 00:40:44 Have they all been lumped into other? So blues would be in jazz. I guess so, yeah. Reggae. Classical. Classical. Well, it's classical in there. Yeah, Symphony for Scissor and D Minor.
Starting point is 00:40:57 You were saying about the words that they use. Did you see that America's Drug Enforcement Administration have made a dictionary of slang drug terms this year? I wonder if any of these are in it. Whiffle Dust. Bernie's Flakes. I wonder if any of these are in... Is that named after Bernie? Bernie Sanders.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Well, I don't know. It means cocaine. Yeah, that's Bernie's Flakes. So they're the people who were going to show up to vote for Bernie Sanders in the American primaries, but they didn't. They were two off their heads. Aunt Hazel means heroin. I wonder if that's in any of those songs. Smoochie-Woochie-Poochie means cannabis. Aunt Hazel.
Starting point is 00:41:34 That explains what my uncle Ian was up to. This is what it's called, Barbara. But every night he was having a night in without Hazel. Smoochie-Woochie-Poochie feels like it would be a good name of a song, maybe a Eurovision hit. Yeah. But what if you're just really loved up and you're walking down the street with your partner and you say, I'll give us a Smoochie-Woochie-Poochie and you're immediately arrested by one of these guys. You deserve to be immediately arrested if you'll say you're too loved up in public.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Give us a Smoochie-Woochie-Poochie. But I would say that that's probably true of lots of slang terms for drugs, right? Yeah. So if you do a song called Weed into a tennis bowl can, you might think it's about drugs. That's true. Okay, that is it. That is all of our facts. Thank you so much for listening.
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