No Such Thing As A Fish - 179: No Such Thing As Stare-Boxing

Episode Date: August 25, 2017

Dan, James, Anna and Alex discuss mail-order portraits, the first ever Encyclopaedia Britannica, and the country with only five star hotels....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber and I am sitting here with James Harkin, Alex Bell and Anna Schazinski and once again we have gathered around the microphones with our four favourite facts from the last seven days and in no particular order, here we go. Starting with my fact this week, my fact is 10% of the UFC is owned by the UAE. That is quite surprising. So the UFC stands for Ultimate Fighting Champion?
Starting point is 00:00:51 Yes. Oh yeah, what does UAE stand for? United Arab Emirates and 10% of the UFC is owned specifically by Abu Dhabi. It's a company called Flash Entertainment which is owned by the government and in 2010 they bought 10% of this company which last year or perhaps even early this year was sold again for four billion. It's a huge industry now and they've retained their 10%. So yeah, a government is part of the ultimate hardcore fighting machine.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Great. Let's explain what UFC is for the uninitiated like me. Okay, well if you've been reading the news this week you will see that the biggest boxing match for a very long time has happened between a man called Conor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather. When you say has happened, it's not happened yet in our universe, has it? That's true. We're recording this on a Monday. You're hearing this from a Friday onwards.
Starting point is 00:01:43 So yeah. Let's take a punt. I think it's really sad that Conor McGregor died within 10 seconds of entering the Octagon. So Conor McGregor is the UFC fighter in this case, Floyd Mayweather is the boxer and UFC is a collection of different disciplines of martial arts brought together in a ring known as the Octagon and it means that when you're fighting an opponent there are just many different ways that you'll be fighting against them at different martial arts styles. It's no holds barred, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:02:10 That was what it was originally always marked in that. Yeah, they used to say there are no rules, didn't they? Yeah. It says on the Wikipedia page and then it's immediately followed by a list of rules. Yeah, there's a lot of rules. Yeah, yeah. There are rules and then actually even in its first fight it banned biting, eye gouging, fish hooking, headbutting, hair pulling and groin strikes.
Starting point is 00:02:28 What's fish hooking? Fish hooking is when you go for an already open cut or it's when you do like a right hook but with a fish, I think. With a fish? Yeah. Like a multi-pipers. Yeah. But it was actually the first two of those that are banned, right, so biting and eye gouging
Starting point is 00:02:44 and the other two are all frowned upon and then often I think the fighters will agree that when there were two fighters that had ponytails, they agreed not to pull each other's hair and stuff because it would make a better fight. But interestingly, the biting and the eye gouging are the two headline things that are banned and that's the same two things that were banned in the ancient Greek pancreation wrestling which was like 2,000 years ago. Is that deliberate? I wonder if it is.
Starting point is 00:03:04 I don't know. It's a very intellectual sport at UFC, yeah. Well, yeah, I knew nothing about it so I'll believe anything you tell me. Invented by Plato, was it? Yeah. Yeah. He was their first champion. Do you know why it's called The Octagon?
Starting point is 00:03:19 It's got eight sides. Yeah, yeah, I framed the first quite badly. The origin of the name The Octagon is a really, really bad Chuck Norris film from the 80s so the guy who was commissioned to design the pitch, are we calling it? The square. The ring. The ring. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:03:38 The pitch. The ring in which they fight. Muhammad Ali will be fighting in the pitch with George Foreman. But yeah, this guy was commissioned to design the ring and he was called Jason Cusson and he didn't really know anything about fighting or what he was supposed to do and he just heard of this Chuck Norris film that was about No Holds Bard fighting and it was called The Octagon. So he said, sod it, let's make it an octagon.
Starting point is 00:03:57 It's so cool. It's quite, I mean, it's as good a shape as any, right? In fact, you could say it's better than a square because it's closer to a ring. Yeah. Like a ring is something with infinite sides and an octagon's got more sides than a square. Compared to infinity though, it's like hardly more on the way to that many sides. They should have a dodecahedron. They should.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Yeah. That would be good. Just for the visual, if you're listening to this right now and you're thinking, well, what's this octagon look like? It's steel mesh all around it and the ring wall as it were, the steel mesh wall goes up taller than the, let's say, six-fold per person. The Empire State Building. Yes, it's China one.
Starting point is 00:04:31 So they have to be lowered in by crane into the ring. Yeah. We were saying that it's quite No Holds Bard, it gets quite violent and people were kind of outraged in the 90s when Ultimate Fighting and Mixed Martial Arts was invented and the thing that I think outraged people the most or the thing that became the epitome of it was the fact that it was done with bare knuckles. So it was bare knuckle fighting. So people were saying, this is so dangerous.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Look how barbaric it is and with bare knuckles, that just goes to show how barbaric it is. And so they banned the bare knuckle element of it after a few years and added gloves to make it safer. And in fact, that made it much more dangerous because the reason that bare knuckle is better than wearing gloves is that if you punch someone super hard with your bare knuckle, then you basically break your fist. And so most people don't want to punch people too hard, whereas as soon as you've got boxing gloves on, then you can punch someone much, much harder without damaging yourself.
Starting point is 00:05:23 So by adding gloves, you kind of save the hands, but instead you give people much more severe brain damage. That was quite aggressive the way that you said that fact because you had a fist the whole time and you were kind of jabbing the air. Yeah, it felt good. I could see the attraction actually. There was a study done a few years ago where researchers worked out a code for how intense somebody smiles.
Starting point is 00:05:44 And then on the day prior to a fight, when the fighters have that traditional face off like press conferencing, these researchers watched 152 different UFC fighters and worked out how much they were smiling. And then they found that the more a fighter smiles, the more likely they are to lose the fight. And they think it's due to the link of like, if you smile more, you have lower testosterone and you're like, aggressive in nature. And they worked out that whilst in the short term, it means they're more likely to lose
Starting point is 00:06:09 that fight the next day. They're not more likely to lose all the fights coming up. So it's literally how much you are smiling the day before your fight, the day before your fight. Well, this is interesting because Conor McGregor has been sparring against these pro boxers to sort of get him into shape. So one of them has come out because he... That's he.
Starting point is 00:06:30 That's great. That's really cool. I just want to say congratulations, mate. Wish you all the luck and your love life. No, he's a... He sort of was kicked out of the Conor McGregor camp and then he revealed a lot of the process of how he's training. And one of the things he's doing is he is doing long staraffs with these boxers.
Starting point is 00:06:49 So he's just... He's practicing the stare. I just would say at his stage, I would not be focusing on that element of the game. I don't care how important the stare is. But isn't it true that we did say a few podcasts ago that divers, professional divers, half of their job is climbing up to the top of the diving board? Exactly. Really, half of his job is walking to the rig.
Starting point is 00:07:08 This is high... If you were diving from a high board, half your job is climbing ladders. I remember it vividly. It's ingrained in my brain. And we use the word fact very loosely. Yeah. So are you saying half of a fighter's job is staring contest? Yeah, if you were really good at not blinking though, you could probably win the blinking
Starting point is 00:07:26 competition, dry out your opponent's eyes and then they'd be blinded. It's not a blinking competition. It's not like chess boxing where you play a bit of chess and you play a bit of boxing. It's like you fight for three minutes and then you just sit there and stare at someone. I mean, that would, I would watch that. It'd be amazing if he had just like a smaller belt for a blinking champion for the contest. But it could be that you have three minutes of fighting, then you have a staring competition and whoever wins a staring competition gets one free punch at the start of the next round.
Starting point is 00:07:58 Oh, yeah. Nice. That's very nice. You should invent that as a sport and put it in a nonagon or something and play create something amazing. The kicking can be really damaging, can't it? So in, I think, have we talked about the fight between Muhammad Ali and Antonio Inoki before? So this is a fight that's seen as basically the precursor to MMA, to mixed martial arts.
Starting point is 00:08:18 And this was when Muhammad Ali took on a Japanese wrestler called Antonio Inoki in the 70s, in the 1970s. Can you say MMA? Yeah, MMA. Not MMA. Oh, sorry. Yeah. So this is the precursor to MMA, mixed martial arts.
Starting point is 00:08:33 MMA. Wow. This is the precursor to mixed martial arts. And this was when Muhammad Ali took on this Japanese wrestler called Antonio... Muhammad Ali. Anyway, the point was Muhammad Ali and Antonio Inoki had this fight to see which of the disciplines was going to win and Inoki caused massive damage to Ali. So basically, he spent the whole time lying on the floor, I think, almost the entirety
Starting point is 00:09:02 of the time. He lay on the floor and just kicked Muhammad Ali in the shins really hard. And Ali got blood clots after that, and I think his legs were permanently damaged from then on. Wow. He had to have surgery and stuff because of it. But it was called a draw, I think, which was good because it meant that neither of them had disgraced themselves in front of their fans.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Yeah. And Inoki said afterwards that the reason he just kicked Muhammad Ali is because Ali had such devoted fans that he'd been warned if he laid a hand on him, then his fans would kill him. So he decided to go at him with the feet instead. So, yeah. Yeah. Do you think when Muhammad Ali's supporters came up to him later and tried to attack him,
Starting point is 00:09:37 he's like, no, no, I didn't lay a hand on him. I think that's exactly what he did. And they were like, Fedoos, have you got us that? Get back and read the small print of our threat. I love though that, like, as Feds would be going up, going, hey, man, we're going to kick your ass. This guy just kicked Muhammad Ali's ass. Like, yeah, you stand no chance together.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Yeah. Exactly. And when the angry mob comes down, he can just lie on his back and kick them away. Abby Dabby's not the only investor in the UFC. There are many other people who... Well, you said they only have 10%, so I'm not surprised. Other people who have a stake in the UFC are LL Cool J. Who's named, you know where LL Cool J comes from?
Starting point is 00:10:22 It's short for Ladies Love, Cool James. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's very cool. Has anyone ever called you that, James? No. Yeah. You sound like you tried to make that take off first and no one would have it.
Starting point is 00:10:34 You just got there just too quickly, otherwise that's all they'd become. Also Calvin Harris, Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Trey Parker of South Park, Maria Sharapova, the tennis star, and Sylvester Stallone, and Conan O'Brien, who is the late night talk show host in America, who's been having Conor Gregorot a lot recently. And I was like, I didn't know he had an interest. I think he's got a business interest. Yeah. That's quite a who's who of sports stars and tennis stars.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Yeah. The buy-in was $250,000, so I think they all bought the sort of the minimum of it. But again, it's back in 2010 and the sport exploded, so those guys are probably making some money. I can't believe how those people are making some money finally, after years of poverty. LL Cool J. Well, I mean, you picked the one name that probably does need some money. I know.
Starting point is 00:11:27 The only one I could remember. There was a fact that coincidentally was doing around on Reddit this week about UFC, which is that there's a fighter called Rory McDonald, and so at the end of all the fights they have walk. No, at the beginning of all the fights, they have walkout music, so when they introduce each fighter. And he was quite unhappy about a lot of the music that he was getting and the guy that was organizing it.
Starting point is 00:11:46 He didn't really say anything because he thought that his manager and everything were just organizing it themselves. And eventually he mentioned something and the guy who was organizing the music was like, no, I thought you were requesting all of these. And it turned out that he'd had his phone number changed a couple of years ago and a fan had got hold of his phone number and was requesting stupid music like Rihanna's We Found Love and MC Hammons You Can't Touch This. So all these songs were kind of dissing him and making fun of him a bit.
Starting point is 00:12:14 It was just somebody taking the piss for like three years. I could think of worse songs that he could have put. I'd have sent the Teletubbies theme out, you know. Yeah, I think whoever the fan was did a good job to just about find that level where they didn't. He didn't get found out for like years. You're right. I would have been found out the first day wouldn't I?
Starting point is 00:12:30 Yeah. When it was just you making a fart noise, they put a fan away. Colin McGregor got in trouble quite recently for saying that he could beat Jesus in a fight. Yeah. Just last year he said there's not a man alive that could beat me, but Jesus isn't alive. So maybe he could and come back from the dead. But I don't know. I'd still whoop his ass.
Starting point is 00:12:52 But that's true because you only have to lie down for like 10 seconds for hours. Jesus would take three days to get up again. Nice. So he'd get back up, but they'd actually converted the arena into a Little Mix concert at that point. OK, it is time for fact number two, and that is LL Cool J. We are not making a lipstick. OK, my fact this week is that Palau is about to pass a law, meaning that every hotel in
Starting point is 00:13:24 the country has to be five star. I will admit that I spent a good two minutes when you sent this by email looking for the footnote because I thought the star was an asterisk and I was like five what? I was like scrolling through all the replies. So what this is is a new law to try and make just high end tourism in this country, Palau, which is in the Pacific, and they're suffering from climate change more than everyone else really. And like all these Pacific countries are and they have problems with infrastructure when
Starting point is 00:13:54 they're getting loads of tourists in. And so they think, well, if we only have high end tourists, that means fewer tourists, but still the same amount of money and they want new hotels to come in with their own water treatment system with their own power and stuff like that. And so Palau is a collection of islands, right? So is this every single one of their 280 ish islands having five star hotels or is there a central spot to it? Well, it will be if you want to put a hotel in any of those places, it will have to be
Starting point is 00:14:21 five star. Yeah. And I've been to Palau. Have you? Yeah, I do. We went when I was a kid because I lived in Hong Kong and that's not too far away. It's quite far. I mean, you didn't row there, did you?
Starting point is 00:14:32 No. We got the holiday there and it was in, I mean, this is, we're talking 15, 20 years ago. So it was in huts by the beach. So but those can be five star, obviously. I just know already that you're exactly the kind of person they're now working to keep our eye. You're the person this policy is aimed at.
Starting point is 00:14:58 It took us 15 years to get the laugh through. He's definitely not coming back now. So I've got some stuff on hotels. Okay. There was, there's a really good article in The Economist about the various standards that hotels have to stick to. And so for instance, the Hilton chain of hotels, there's a manual that stipulates that staff have to answer the phones after three rings exactly.
Starting point is 00:15:21 For instance, whereas intercontinental, you have to wait four rings. Is that right? I used to work for intercontinental hotels. Did you ever answer the phone before or after four rings? I think I might have done. Well, is that why you're working here? I quite appreciate that role actually because it is quite startling when you ring someone and they pick up really fast.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Yeah, totally. They have, there's one chain which wasn't allowing itself to be named, which all of its hotels, all omelettes have to match a laminated model omelette that they have there, which is cigar shaped and they have to model it on that. All right. Yeah. Intercontinental also, you might remember this rule, James, specifies that the rooms have to offer at least four pornographic films.
Starting point is 00:16:01 At least four. At least four. Yeah. You don't want to turn off and there's only three pornographic films, do you? Can you imagine calling up reception and be like, hi, could do with a couple more? I seem to be missing one of my four films. Sorry, this is your first night. I know, it's been a long session and I just need one or two more to kick me over to the
Starting point is 00:16:22 end. Could you change the sheets while you're up here, please? By the way, you picked up on the fourth ring and, I don't know, more of a three ring guy. We didn't ask about your sexual preferences. A hotel in Colorado downloads pictures of your family from the internet and frames them for when you arrive at the hotel. That was either brilliant or the most creepy thing I've ever heard in my entire life. I think I know which one of those it is.
Starting point is 00:16:55 There's also just one more, which is a hotel in Mexico, a luxury hotel where they do research into you beforehand and the housekeeper matches the colour of the thread in the guest sewing kits to the clothes that you're wearing. And again, they get that from photos on social media, do you think? I think, actually, it must be from when you've arrived, so there must be an emergency you arrive at the reception desk and they're like, she's got a red dress on, quick, get the red thread in the box. That's good, because most of the pictures of me on social media are from fancy dress
Starting point is 00:17:21 parties. So you just get, I don't know, what kind of stuff do you wear? You get some face paint. Yeah, yeah. There were a couple of zero-star hotels in Switzerland and the first one was in a Cold War bunker, so there were no TVs, there were no separate bathrooms, there's no daylight because it's in a bunker. But it doesn't look too bad, like it's basically like a kind of low-end youth hostel.
Starting point is 00:17:43 The second one is just like a bed and a bit of a wall, like upper mountain in Switzerland. And then there's a butler who is actually a local farmer who comes and is responsible for giving you the weather forecast and telling you jokes. That's great. It's all about, it's a sort of tiresome critique on hotel culture. It does sound good, though. I reckon I'd pay for that in the hotel, to have a farmer come and tell me jokes. Yeah, me too.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Especially if they check my social media and saw what kind of jokes I like. Good point. Yeah. He'd be like, this is an easy one. Yeah, all right. Or maybe tons. OK, it is time for fact number three, and that is Alex. My fact this week is that every Canadian citizen is entitled to a free government-issue portrait
Starting point is 00:18:32 of the Queen. Of our Queen. Of our Queen. Of our Queen. And their Queen. They're actually entitled to five portraits of the royal family in various combinations. Can they choose whichever members they like? If you prefer Princess Eugénie and Prince Andrew, you can have those two.
Starting point is 00:18:49 You know what? I don't think they're on offer. I think it's mainly like Philip and the Queen and I think Prince William, yeah, it's the headline. It's the main characters. But there are just five different ones, and you can order up to one of each, so you can get five in total. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:02 So you'd be like Pokemon, you got to unlock Eugénie, you know, with your dedication. Presumably there's a prince, not original oil paintings every time you order your picture. I think huge frame delivered, yeah. No, yeah, these are just paints. Oh, you can download them like free, so I've downloaded mine even though not going into the store. You're not Canadian. I know.
Starting point is 00:19:20 But you know, there was no password or anything. So this is part of a lot of services that you can get from the governments of Canada. If you ring 1-800-O-Canada, you get, oh, I know, you get onto a helpline that provides that information on Canadian governmental programmes and services and stuff like that. It's really cool. But the O, is that a zero or is it the O in the keyboard? The letter O rather than the numbers of it. Because when you give someone's phone number, you often use the word O to mean zero, don't
Starting point is 00:19:45 you? Like 0-800. True, yeah. It's really confusing. I was not of Canadians getting through to some random pizza place on my row. Demanding pictures of the Queen and like, what's going on? Interestingly, when you go to the website, I looked at the pictures as well. I couldn't see as many as five, actually.
Starting point is 00:19:59 I saw you could have the Queen or Philip or the Queen with Philip. So those are your options that I saw. And they have lots of rules, though, for if you do download them for what you're allowed and they're allowed to not do with them. So for example, you cannot use the images on adhesive seals. That's one. What's an adhesive seal? I guess...
Starting point is 00:20:19 Like a sticker on an envelope? Yeah, that's what I was thinking, like on an envelope. I guess a stamp is what they're saying. Oh, a seal. A seal as in that holds the envelope together. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not allowed that.
Starting point is 00:20:31 You know, all the time, rather than buying a normal envelope, you just buy one and then use a sticker. I always do that. But then I always put a sticker of the Queen on, so they're a bit worried. Yeah. You've got to recall all those postcards from over the years, James. Can you recall a postcard? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:46 The postman just locks on your door, sorry, I'm just going to... She doesn't wish you were here anymore. Also, can I just say postcards, the one thing you don't have to put on the envelope? As the words came out of my mouth, I thought, I hope no one notices that. The one final thing, you're not allowed to use it for... There's other things, but another thing you're not allowed to use it for is to advertise if the Queen or Philip have visited your shop. So the example they give is, for example, if the Royal Highnesses, the Duke and Duchess
Starting point is 00:21:17 of Cambridge were to visit a cheese shop, that shop could not use a photograph of the occasion to advertise its goods. Is that like when you go into like a curry house and they've got like a sign photo of Gary Linnicka? Yes. Or like a lawn dress. But isn't it always Gary Linnicka in those days? It's always Gary Linnicka.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Yeah. He just visits lawn dress and curry houses all the time. It must be that Gary Linnicka's going to a lot of curry houses with signed photos, right? Yeah. Yeah. Or our theory. I mean, have you ever seen him on any linen? I haven't.
Starting point is 00:21:45 So it's the same photo of Gary Linnicka. Right. It's the same. Yeah. I think that he just doesn't have an oven or a washing machine. So he always constantly has to use the laundry and eat out, doesn't he? We go to the curry house, it spills curry all over himself, so he has to get everything dry clean.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Yes. An notoriously messy eater. Anything else that you can get free in Canada that's quite cool is the flag that's flown at the top of their equivalent of Big Ben, basically, which is the Ottawa Peace Tower. So it's a huge clock that's sort of part of their parliament buildings. And you can sign a form and write off and request one of those flags because every single day or about 250 days of the year, they take the flag down and they change it and put up a new one.
Starting point is 00:22:27 And then they wash that one and iron it out and they send it to whoever in Canada has requested it. They must be massive though, aren't they? They are big, yes. And so there must be more than one person must request it. Right. So this is what's happened. I think you've hit upon a problem.
Starting point is 00:22:42 They've had at least 20,000 requests at this point, which means that there's now a 73-year waiting list to get your flag. Wow. So you can have it delivered to your grandchildren. You've got to be pretty young to make an application now, don't you? You really do, to be successful. But why do they keep giving away flags? Sorry.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Why do they need a new one every day? I don't think they do. I think this was just an idea they had. It would be a nice, chaotic thing to do to donate a flag each day or most days of the year to someone in the country. That's right. It's every day they replace the flag. Not every year.
Starting point is 00:23:12 So it's every weekday, except bank holidays or apparently when the weather's poor, they don't bother changing it. Every Canadian citizen is entitled to three hours to vote whenever there's an election. In the booth? No. So you'll have three hours off work to vote. What are you doing in there? Basically, if your work schedule means that you finish work at, say, four o'clock or
Starting point is 00:23:35 something and the polls close at seven o'clock, then that's fine. But if your work schedule means you don't have three hours spared, they have to give you three hours off. Really? Yeah. It's good that, isn't it? Yeah. It's a lot of time to get to a polling station.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Yeah. Cool. You probably have lunch as well. Yeah. Had to go to the pub. I might not even vote, to be honest. I got another Queen Canada fact. So the Queen appears on the bank notes of Canada, as she does in Australia and all around
Starting point is 00:24:08 the Commonwealth. But interesting claim that Canada has over it is they were the first country, even beating the UK, to having the Queen on a bank note before anyone else. Was it like as soon as she became Queen, they rushed it out? No. It was pre. This was in 1935. She was over child.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Yeah. She was nine-year-old. You remember this? Yeah. I remember reading it before you just said it. I knew it! Time to shovel her! I went back to order my flag.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Did you know in Australia, you can also get a Portrait of the Queen, but you can also request CD and DVD recordings of the National Anthem if you want them. Really? So if you Google Constituents Request Program, you can just ask your local MP or political representative for that, and you can request a booklet on the flags of Australia. You can get a booklet on Australia's National Symbols, and yet you can get a DVD of the National Anthem. Can someone listening to this in Australia please do that and send us a photo of you
Starting point is 00:25:07 with your DVD? Yeah, please do. Actually, I quite like a photo of someone from Canada with the free Portrait of the Queen. Yeah. Okay, if you're in a Commonwealth and you have this option, if you're listening in Britain, just a picture of Gary Linnicko will be great, and please post it to us on our QI account.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is Chazinsky. My fact this week is that the first ever encyclopedia Britannica said that humans were divided into five categories. Those categories were American, European, Asiatic, African, and Monstrous. Geez. The five types of humans. Did they believe that there were monsters? Is that what we're saying?
Starting point is 00:25:52 I read this in this really good book I've just started reading. It's called You Could Look It Up by a guy called Jack Lynch. What it was was that there were often, it was kind of a nature of exploration, and there were often a lot of rumors about the kind of people you'd find in strange places. Maybe there were kind of mythical, semi-human creatures around. There were reports, for instance, of men who had feet backwards or men who didn't have any noses. There were reports of humans who had dogs' heads and who communicated by barking.
Starting point is 00:26:20 There were kind of these rumors about mythical monstrous beings. You are describing Bigfoot and werewolves, and these are all still real things out there today, Anna. Right. This was the catch-all term of they used to cover themselves to be like anything we don't. It's miscellaneous, basically. We went back to Linnaeus who classified Homo sapiens 10 years earlier, so in 1758.
Starting point is 00:26:41 He actually said that there was Homo ferris as well as a different species, which was wild men, and then Homo monstrous, which was monsters. Yes, so we're not quite sure what they are, but we're looking made up people. I was reading up on the first ever Encyclopedia Britannica, because weirdly, you almost feel like the authors should be famous names. I didn't know a single one, so there were two guys who effectively brought it together. One was called Colin McFarke. That's exactly how he pronounced it.
Starting point is 00:27:14 With the question mark at the end, he never knew. The name's McFarke. Colin. McFarke. Yeah, he also set up with a guy called Andrew Bell, and Alex, your surname is Bell. I find it all about him. What's interesting is, for the Encyclopedia Britannica, he was the engraver. He was the one who did all of the drawings, which on our podcast, when you're not on the
Starting point is 00:27:40 microphone with us, you are our illustrator for all the things. You both have the same surname. That's exciting. I like the way that you said Bell as if there was no exclamation points at the end of it as well. So you got McFarke. I don't know what's going on with my pronunciations, but Bell was a very interesting guy. He was quite small.
Starting point is 00:28:02 He was four foot six, and he had a big nose that he would sometimes try and hide by wearing a paper mache version in order to hide the bigness of his nose. Surely bigger. Yeah, you would think, right? No, I think he was a joker, and he did it whenever anyone stared at his nose. He put a bigger one on top of it. He put a bigger one on. To say, are you looking at my nose, bitch?
Starting point is 00:28:19 I think it was like, because he was... Go to B in my book, bitch. There's an engraving of you. So as well as doing Encyclopedia Britannica, he used to engrave crests and dog collars, and he made sure that he always rode the tallest horse that was available. So if he was going to just rent a horse, he'd be like, the tallest one, please. I like that they're going to hire a horse. They've got the same options like at the car rental place, where you're like color and
Starting point is 00:28:50 heights. Do you leave it fully fed, or do someone else do that? Yeah. So the oldest known Encyclopedia Britannica is still in use, apparently, and it was only discovered in 2010, and there's an 18 volume set that was from 1797, and it just belonged to this family in Chelmsford, and they'd used it growing up and stuff, and they were still using it all the time. They bought it for £15, the full set, which seems unbelievable for 18 volumes of Encyclopedia.
Starting point is 00:29:17 But now it's worth like 9,000, right? Yeah. It seems like not very much money for the Encyclopedia Britannica, oldest Encyclopedia Britannica. I agree. They don't seem to go for anything. Yeah, but you can get them on CD-ROM these days. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Dig. Yeah, it's way easier. James, you are so with it. Yeah. I've no idea. If Wikipedia was printed out on paper, it would be about 1,900 volumes worth of Britannica. Really? That would be the most tedious.
Starting point is 00:29:45 I mean, Encyclopedias are not exactly the greatest reader of all time, are they? Imagine Wikipedia. All those little pages for high schools in the middle of America and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Well, there was a project, it was more of an art project, but this guy called Michael Manderberg in 2015 printed out some of it and did all the maths and worked to how much it would cost. It was called from A to Zap, so that A was A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A,
Starting point is 00:30:10 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:17,500 which is the first Wikipedia entry he could find in the beginning, which was a really random kid TV show that I remember watching. Really? Yeah. Isn't it weird? I remember watching... It was my classic.
Starting point is 00:30:25 My favourite Encyclopedia is the four volume Encyclopedia of lubricants and lubrication. Nice. Have you read it? No. It's not you couldn't put it down, it's you couldn't pick it up. Anything else? I'm happy to rap. Yep.
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