No Such Thing As A Fish - 503: No Such Thing As Meat Cute

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Dan, James, Andrew and Maisie Adam discuss fizzy drinks, footy bans, evaluating meat and innovating mics. Visit nosuchthingasafish.com for news about live shows, merchandise and more episodes. Join... Club Fish for ad-free episodes and exclusive bonus content at apple.co/nosuchthingasafish or nosuchthingasafish.com/patreon

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi everyone, welcome to this week's episode of No Six Things, a fish where we were joined by the incredibly funny, amazing Maisie Adam. Now, anyone who is familiar with our parent TV show QI will know all about Maisie. She's burst onto the scene in the last few years and it is no exaggeration to say that I think she is the funniest newcomer that we've had on QI over the last few years. She's absolutely brilliant. It was a great fun doing the show with her. If you'd like to learn anything more about Maisie, then the best way to find out what she's doing is to go to her website, which is MaisieAdam.com, M-A-I-S-I-E-A-D-A-M. One thing I should quickly
Starting point is 00:00:42 mention is that Maisie mentions Ethan in this show. That was a reference to something that happened before the microphones came on, but I had to keep it in. So just to let you know, Ethan is one of the QILs who does a lot of our tech stuff. If you are a club fish member, you might remember his episode of Meet the Elves where he gave us a fiendish question that we had to solve. We do those Meet the Elves shows every now and then on Club Fish, it's one very good reason, one of many in fact, that you should subscribe
Starting point is 00:01:15 and if you'd like to do that, then you can go to, of course, no such thing as a fish.com forward slash apple and no such thing as a fish.com forward slash Patreon. Anyway, one final thing before we do the show, today's episode marks the end of our 9 months of Anna Replacement shows. Yes, you got it. Next week she will be back and will be back on the podcast. So whenever you do, don't miss that episode.
Starting point is 00:01:41 Listen to it 10 times you want her to see the figures boosting up when she comes back on the show. But in the meantime, I really hope you enjoyed this show with Maisie. And all that's left to say is on With The Podcast! Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Hobern. My name is Dan Schreiber, I'm sitting here with James Harkin, Andrew Hunter Murray, and Maisie Adam, and once again we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days and in no particular order here we go. Starting with fact number one and that is Maisie. Okay here we go. The first fizzy drink tasted of urine.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Do with that what you will. Do with that what you will. Not drink it. That's supposed to be all. So it was phanta no Expect a cease and desist from phanta offices what a slav on a soft drink that was invented for the Nazis Was it really? It was but what a good target for me to pick really I suppose yeah
Starting point is 00:03:02 Like you know if you were gonna kick one yeah, fanta's the one they couldn't get American soft drinks and so they had to make their own and it wasn't the Nazis you know Hitler wasn't on the floor sorting it out himself but it was made during the Nazi regime okay by Nazis no Oh, he's four. Four minutes. That was the shoulder. Oh, God. But the first fizzy drink was invented in my hometown of Leeds, by a man called Joseph Prisly, but crucially, it tasted a urine. Because people in Leeds,
Starting point is 00:03:34 we know what we like, and we like what we know. It is the crucial question though. It tasted a urine, but did it have urine in it? Yes, it did. So how did he invent this? How did he invent this water? Accidentally, as all best things come about,
Starting point is 00:03:50 accidentally it was at this brewery, he basically accidentally discovered the act of carbonating water, right? He was like a human soda stream, but by accident. Right, brilliant. So he's worked out how to carbonate water. And then what he does is he makes a machine where you can get the CO2 and you can squeeze it into some water and it will make it fizzy.
Starting point is 00:04:13 But as part of that machine, he had a pig's bladder. Yeah. Okay. Just on hand. Just on hand. In those days, it was quite common to have pig's blood. You know, you used to play football with pig's bladders. It was part of day to day life. Everyone had a pig splatter on them. Like a pen now a day.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Can I borrow your pig splatter? Yeah. This one's been chewed. So he had a pig splatter as part of the system and he gave one of his glasses of water, fizzy water, to a friend called John Neuth. And John Neuth said, this tastes like piss. Like, you can't sell this to people because it tastes disgusting, it tastes like piss. And he thought that it tasted like piss because it had been squeezed through this bladder.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Now, priestly, couldn't taste the piss in his own water. He thought that it tasted absolutely fine. And he claimed that nude servants were maybe urinating in his drinks because he was such a bad boss. Why? It was a rift between the real ones. You know, this is sharing your scientific discovery with a colleague, like, Nooth, there's a big deal.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Yeah. But Nooth said, he wrote a paper, he didn't even quietly say to Priestley, I think it's taste a bit pissy. He wrote a paper for the Royal Society, saying, in some trials which I have made with Dr. Priestley's apparatus, to Priestly, I think it's taste a bit pissy. He wrote a paper for the Royal Society, saying, in some trials which I have made with Dr. Priestly's apparatus, it always happened that the water acquired and Uranus Flavia.
Starting point is 00:05:31 And it was so predominant that it could not be swallowed without some degree of reluctance. And he didn't run that by Priestly first, just gone, clashed double check. I thought he only wanted to taste in wheat, he. Imagine him, like, you know, you've got B.O. And instead of your friends telling you you've got B.O. And instead of your friends telling you you've got B.O.
Starting point is 00:05:47 They go to the Royal Society and that's pretty bad. Yeah, that's amazing. But I recently claimed that many ladies had tried the water and nobody had complained about the Uranus flavor. It's not looking good for no say. So does history tell us whether or not his servants were? I don't know. We don't know. We don't know. That seems unlikely.
Starting point is 00:06:04 But no, and then no one else reported the urine flavor. Well, they're new invented a new system that didn't have pigsbladders in it. Right. Which is effectively was the service. But also were his servants involved in making it? They must have been to a certain extent. He will have had lab technicians. What was the missing factor when it didn't taste of urine? Was it the servants or the pigs bladder? It was definitely a pigs bladder. Okay. We're unsure about the servants.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Yeah. Is this the secret? You know how every one of these companies has a secret ingredient that we haven't been told about? They've just been hiding piss from us as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Like 11 herbs and spices and piss. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Just before we go on on this, can I tell you about one thing about Nooth? Okay, so John the Lurvin Nooth. He was such a good name. He once had a coughing fit and coughed out a bullet. What? I know. Okay. Did he kill the person's sat up as in?
Starting point is 00:06:59 So he had this terrible coughing fit. He's like, oh, really coughing awfully. He'd been out in the evening, and he thought, oh God, I think he thought he was gonna die. His coughing was so bad. Yeah. This is at about 1799.
Starting point is 00:07:10 And he threw himself down on the bed, coughing with great violence. And then when he got up, he'd coughed out something incredibly hard. Yeah. And it turned out just before he got ill, he'd been having a glass of wine, and then he'd been called away.
Starting point is 00:07:22 So he'd quickly drain the wine. And it had Led shot in it. Oh, okay, so okay, right Led shot still a bit of a led shot. Yeah, so if you were to buy in the old days if you'd to buy like a Partridge for dinner. They would often have bits of lead in it from where it had been shot scatter shot Okay Oh, okay. Bullet. Okay, but still. Oh, sure, exactly.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Try no other bullet than you still swallow. Okay, so the animal was killed with a bullet. That was in there. I think that counts, yeah, yeah. A coffin. There's a bullet. Well, it's part of a bullet, right? Do we know if coughing up a bullet makes you taste piss?
Starting point is 00:08:01 Yeah. Did the part, whoever the bullet went into had that animal wet itself, when it died, drenched the bullet in wee, he swallowed the, but then- He doesn't notice, because of the wine. He doesn't notice the wine. And everyone's like, pal, have you ever noticed that everything
Starting point is 00:08:18 attached on tastes of piss? Maybe you've got a pissed soaked bullet. It's stuck in your throat. Yeah. Taste puts on your head. Yeah, that's wide open. Wow. Let's move the thought. And so, New Thedn went on to make these soda streams, which he called Gassogines or Gassogines.
Starting point is 00:08:34 And they were really famous. And then basically, if you were anyone who was anyone in the, when was it, in the 19th century, then you would have a Gassogine machine, which is like a soda stream. Not much has changed really now, isn't it? It's still quite a power move to have a soda. It really is. Yeah, I feel like they've, no, I feel like they've recently been overtaken by, if you've got an air fryer, that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, air fryer. But soda streams were a bit of a power move. You look like you've got a soda stream. I'm not a soda stream. You could tell by the way you were brewing it up to that.
Starting point is 00:09:04 I've got one as well. Oh my God. Here's what's embarrassing. Down to gold plates. Mine's gold plated. And we haven't used it in, I think, two years now. It just sits there as a display. Why do you have a gold plated soda string?
Starting point is 00:09:16 My wife likes gold things. This sheet, it's your house like Donald Trump's house. Yes. Oh my God. No, actually, it's probably the only gold thing in our house on this one. Oh, is it? Is it the only thing? The only thing. Oh, that's not true. Don't worry about the dining table. Yeah, the toilet and the chairs. Do you know what I can't? That's real gold. The wallpaper in the front of the house.
Starting point is 00:09:34 My children. Is your wife painted like that woman in gold? I think what it was with Soda Streams is when I was a kid they were really if one of my friends had a soda stream It was like they were the coolest kids in town But now it's because you don't want to buy bottles of fizzy water because it's bad for the environment or something Yeah, isn't it? Yeah, what and you can make super sparkling water as well And you can get the the syrups that you can make your own tonic water Coca-Cola. Yeah, but it's not Coca-Cola. Is it no it is it is? Is it real coke? Well, it's not real No, no, but it's not Coca-Cola, is it? No, it is, it is. Is it real coke? Well, it's not real. It's it. No, no, it, it, but it, what it is for
Starting point is 00:10:08 all those Nazi parties, it tastes like the, this is, and this is a good thing, and I would, you know, if so, just be more to advertise on fish, it'll be fine by me. Just throwing it out there. But it tastes like the coke you get in the ferry. You know, that kind of coke. No. Or it's like a sort of like roller coala. It's not Nicola. It's a bit like that. Yeah, what's roller coala? Like bad coke like like knockoff coala. It was like 5p when coke coke was 20p roller coala was 5p. I just want to reiterate this stuff is great I love it. I'm so happy with my soda cream. I have used mine in the last two years I don't think that so distraint they're gonna have on their advertising like the co-key get on a ferry.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Yeah. That's nearly as bad as slogan as buying out suits for that. Yeah, yeah. But it's really good. Yeah, it's really good, I use it all the time. Taste a piss? Yeah. Good.
Starting point is 00:10:57 I should do. Just like mother used to make. I think that might be something to do with my servants though. I just have a hunch. Yeah. And Priestly, just a quick, quick word about Priestly. Oh my god. What a guy.
Starting point is 00:11:10 So, fluent in six languages. He wrote over 500 books and pamphlets. That sounds like someone who's written 490 pamphlets. He's written that. Yeah, 499 pamphlets. One book listing all of the pamphlets that you can read. He's credited with inventing or discovering how oxygen is made up. He was a lunatic very excitingly. So the Lunar Society, which was this thing with Erasmus Darwin and all these amazing scientists at the time,
Starting point is 00:11:42 they used to meet when it was a full moon so they could see their way home using the light of the moon in the very dark night. It's really cool, eh? Yeah, what an extraordinary character. The thing about him being a lunatic, he was kind of pro-science. Yeah. He was also not of the Protestant faith
Starting point is 00:11:59 and he was also kind of sympathetic with a French revolution. And this meant that he had lots of enemies, a lot of people didn't like him. And there's a thing called the priestly riots. So he moved to Birmingham after he left Leeds. And they had a dinner to sort of say how great the French Revolution was.
Starting point is 00:12:17 And a load of people in Birmingham decided to wreck the place where they had the dinner and then go to priestly's house and wreck his house. Was he in? He was, he was in when they started to come with the pitchforks and the like proper wreck his house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they did. Oh, and his lamp. Oh, they didn't just not the lamp off the mantle, Pace. He and his wife managed to get to the hills so they could see what was happening,
Starting point is 00:12:42 but they were away from their mob, but his son was still there, and his son was trying to kind of save everything, and in the end he had to flee as well. And the interesting thing about it is because it was anti-establishment, and it was the establishment who were attacking him, we think that possibly some people involved in the Birmingham government might have been involved with this. Right. And Pitt, who was the prime minister then, yep. They asked for help against these rioters and they were very, very slow to react to the government. We're like, oh yeah, we'll help, we'll help, but it was like days and days and days before they sent anyone to Birmingham to help. So really, they were kind of in on it as well. Yeah. Wow. It was crazy. Or at least, like, sort of passive on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:25 The Samuel Johnson called him an evil man. Like, he was really, really a bit harsh. He really did not like cobinate drinks. Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of weird to imagine now how controversial it was at the time. Yeah, he's more like a friend-trevolution.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Crow science. Well, he also supported the American Revolution. Yeah. And he was a bit, um, equivocal on the the monarchy and on the idea of virgin birth. Yeah, so it was all he was quite out by the American government What's he got there? Yeah, like Pung out with George Washington another carbonated drink Super Bowl Have you ever heard of this school around the area of Leeds? Oh, I think it's around the area of Leeds.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Batley Grammar School. I know, Batley. You know, Batley. I would very much believe that they have a grammar school. Yeah. Well, this is where he went to school. Oh, really? Very, very old school, obviously, because he went to it.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Yeah. And I looked into it to see if they produced any other sort of interesting drinks through their students. And it turns out that they did. No. Yeah. Richard John Reed, the co-founder of Innocent Smoothies, Innocent Drinks, went to the very same school. Yeah, he went to the Batley grandma school. That's great. And more so than the smoothies, he is sort of the person who is credited with pioneering whackaging. Whackaging.
Starting point is 00:14:47 I like putting the little hats on top, is that what that is? No, it's now when the drink sort of says on the side, so you put in the fridge. Yeah, put me in the fridge. Oh, it gives the pleasure. Yeah, the hospitality is to the package. It was them, wasn't it, who invented that? Yeah, specifically, the sky from Batley school was credited, yeah Richard Reed. I was so pro batley school until you said that.
Starting point is 00:15:08 I know, I think they need to burn it down. But also though, as soon as you said it, and you said he was the like, in vet room, in a sense of meaning, I immediately just pictured him to be wearing one of the hated hats, going around batley, going around a school corridor, and a little knitted wooly hat going, I'm cold, put me in the fridge. Oh, there's Richard again, there's Boolean. Has anyone heard of the soft drink, goleca pay? Goleca pay.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Goleca pay. Goleca, oh one word. No, it's two words. Goleca, G-O-L-O-K-A, and MP-A-Y. Do you look a pay? No, what is it from? It's from India. Oh no. Oh it from? It's from India. Oh no.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Oh what? It's a guarantee. It's very guarantee. Oh no. Who's we is in it? It's cow urine. Oh. 5% by volume, cow urine.
Starting point is 00:15:57 5% is a bit piss heavy for a drink. We should say we did a fact ages ago about the fact that cow urine is drunk more over there is kind of it's more normalized as a drink isn't it? Certainly more normalized than it is here. I would say. But you wouldn't drink it as just cow urine, it's an ingredient in something. I'm afraid some people do. Yeah, you just drink it.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Shined. Shined. Yeah, that's great. So it's, no. No. We haven't tried it. No, would you? Yeah. You would try it for just to be able to say Ethan bring in the Ethan is um done this gold covered servant
Starting point is 00:16:42 Milkmates busy milking the cow one morning. Dan is fractionally behind the milk ball. He's on the penis, yeah. So, yeah, we have said before, there's the cow commission of India, and this is the link to, like, Hindu nationalist groups, and they think that according to their traditional medicine, cow urine is supposed to be an antidote for all sorts of, I anything you can think of inflammation, eczema, arthritis, leprosy. Bit of cow paste sorts out. Bit of cow paste is supposed to sort it out. Currently no concrete
Starting point is 00:17:14 scientific evidence that it works, but you can buy a soft drink called goleca pay which contains 5% urine but at least it does contain other herbs. That's not even to put those in, isn't it? Yeah, such as Tulsi, Brahmi and Shank Pushpi and orange and lemon as well. So herbs, orange, lemon and cowway? Yeah. And that's a drink. I'm afraid so.
Starting point is 00:17:37 And a drink not exclusively used for getting better. Like some people will just have that on the gut. Like Lucas A, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. Because that is a good illness drink. It's an illness drink, but some people are having it day to day life. Absolutely. Do you think, sorry to bring the tone down on this
Starting point is 00:17:51 quite high brow podcast? Do you think the, do you think they taste wildly different can we and pick we? No, but I reckon probably an expert would be able to. I reckon you'll be able to learn. You reckon there's a different idea that could have a sip of both. Absolutely. I was going to point out like how an expert would be able to, I reckon you'll be able to learn. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age.
Starting point is 00:18:09 You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age.
Starting point is 00:18:17 You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You reckon there's a different age. You Oh, I'm doing it. You really thought that was a big thing?
Starting point is 00:18:26 Oh, yeah. I don't want to brag, guys, but I'm going to different. What, like, on the first go? Go, go, go. I'm more similar to each other than I think. You're an impassive. Thank you. He's got a big deal.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Okay, it is time for fact number two and that is James. Okay, my fact this week is that Brazilian footballer, Fomiga, is the only athlete to ever compete in a team sport in seven Olympics. But when she was born, it was illegal for women to play football in Brazil. This is such a good fact. This is such a good fact. This is such a good fact about such a good player. Oh yeah, do you know about Fomiga? Yeah, so, and also, as you say, it was illegal when she was born.
Starting point is 00:19:13 And so, women's football wasn't in the Olympics. So, that means that she has played in every Olympics where women's football has existed. Right, amazing. So, the next Olympics will be the first one in women's football history, not feature for me guys. I think it's like, if 100 meters when I had been in every race since 1896. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Yeah. It's unreal. Yeah. Yeah. So, 196 was the first one. Yes. So she was born in 78. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Yeah. And Brazil had a law from 1941 until 1979 and they didn't really make it proper until 1981 that girls and women were not allowed to play football but not wasn't just professional. They weren't allowed to play in schools or even play for fun. So my daughter on Friday will go to her first football lesson. She's 18, 19 months old and if she was for me, it would have been illegal. She could have been arrested for going playing football. It's absolutely insane. Because there's a very famous player called Marta, right? Yes. And she wasn't allowed to play football, actively discouraged.
Starting point is 00:20:23 She really wanted to. So she used to just on the street, just have a balled up bits of shopping bags, basically, to use as a ball, playing on her own. Then she would sort of sneak in to play with other teams, which were boys entirely. And it was a horrible experience for her. If she ever scored a goal, it was seen as a terrible thing.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Like, you've embarrassed that boy, we're trying to make them. It's a tack on the men's sport. And so never ever, was she given this moment of sort of, you know, you've embarrassed that boy, we're trying to make them. It's an attack on the men's sport. And so never ever was she given this moment of sort of, you know, you done good. It was an incredible press conference martyge, because she retired after the World Cup just gone, and it was really quite emotional watching
Starting point is 00:20:55 because she's touched on, I mean, women's football across the globe is all now has been hugely underplatformed under represented, hugely disrespected as a sport, bad enough in this country with the FA ban in it for 50 years. But in Brazil, as you say, with that very sort of paternalistic moralism sort of society existing, it was an actual attack on. And it's all down to that it wasn't appropriate for a woman with her build to be playing football, but yeah, Femiko was 19 at her first one, 43 at the last time. Yeah, that's interesting.
Starting point is 00:21:33 43 representing her country. And she only had the most one world cup, which was the 1991. Yeah, she's done seven of those as well. Unbelievable. Yeah, the thing is as well that Martata was Brazil's leading scorer in history. She scored 115 goals and Neymar's the second was 79. Pelle 77 and Formiga had the highest number of appearances which was 234 which is insane. More than 100 games, more than Kaffee, who's got the highest in the men's game. Yeah, and Marta, just with the stats,
Starting point is 00:22:09 she's the current record holder for the most goals ever scored in a World Cup, in one World Cup, which is 17 goals, and that's for both men and women's football. Oh, yeah, like, I also want World Cup, that's a lot. It's mad, isn't it? Do you? So you find it like, I'm at like, name our recently surpassed
Starting point is 00:22:24 Pele's record, isn't it? You can't even write that. Do you? Yeah. So you find it like, I'm at like, name our recently surpassed Pelé's record and like the huge notice that that gets, that it's always like screen from the rooftops, who's the go in football? Like we always end up talking about men. The goats are often in the women's game because they've had to be. It's truly incredible. I like sheep. I like sheep. I like sheep. I like incredible. I like shit. I like shit.
Starting point is 00:22:45 What? It's ice. Go on, you watch some football. Ha ha ha. Just as a, I watch last night just as a nice bit of timing. The series welcome to Rexam. It is currently, yeah. And it's second series.
Starting point is 00:22:58 And one of the episodes that comes up mid series, which I watched last night, it's the latest episode, as of recording, it was all about the rexam women's team. Yeah, so good. So good. So good. They make it to the, as far as we are in the series right now, they've just made it to the top of their league, but they take on the closest ranking team and they beat them
Starting point is 00:23:18 11 to one, I think it was. Yeah. And it's just astonishing. And it's so good, I guess, it's now changing, isn't it? It's ever growing, but it's thanks to players like for me, like Marker, like in our own country, like Kelly Smith, or even if you go right far back to sort of Dicco ladies, who were all sort of early 20th century Dicco ladies,
Starting point is 00:23:39 yeah. Basically the ones pre-war that were getting all of the big crowds and then the war happened and everyone was like, like no we need to make the men feel good. Yeah so it was banned in the UK women playing football. Basically it was they weren't allowed to play an FA affiliated grounds which was all the grounds. And that ban was from 1921 until the 70s so like you said about 50 years. But there was also bans in France and Norway in Germany and usually the case was that they thought that sport was unsuitable for the female body, like you say, but
Starting point is 00:24:10 in West Germany's case they specifically said that it was a women's soul that would be injured. I think that's quite nice as a sort of novel way of like, or we've had loads of complaints about the body in a damaging wound. What are we going to say that? They might have meant the soul of their feet for this. That's not how it's spelled. But you don't get footballers who are like, they're not playing this week because they've injured their soul. I don't think that'll be nice. I think spiritual stuff should be taken,
Starting point is 00:24:38 like the referee should be able to say, immoral. Yes, immoral play. I didn't see the play, but your aura has turned into nasty shade of red. I'm just a rough dude, I'm getting bad vibes. Exactly. Red card. I don't know, that'd be really fun.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Of all the countries as well to say bad for the soul of a woman, you wouldn't expect Germany. It's not particularly Germanic to say, is it? Of like, of the soul. You'd expect that from one of the more romantic language countries. Nietzsche, wasn't agree? Well. Well.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Well. Or wouldn't he? Or shouldn't. Um, here's a thing. Yeah. So there was a recent study and I like, I can't like this. It's assessed that women's football is better to watch than men's. Uh-huh. Um, so it's a that women's football is better to watch than men's.
Starting point is 00:25:25 So it's a Swedish sports company who conducted this, they're called Speed A.O. And they compare the women's euros in the men's world cup, and they try to do it as mathematically as possible. So what they found is that women are less risk-averse than men in the style of play. And again, they're just comparing women's euros in men's world cup. But those are two obviously big international tournaments. Okay, so for instance, the men's teams might deliberately hold back and try and knock and seed goals, whereas women's team aren't bothered. That's it.
Starting point is 00:25:53 So, in the women's euros, passes moved team forward at 3.7 meters and in men's, in the men's world cup, it was 2.5 meters. Really? That doesn't sound like a lot, but yeah, that's a big, you know, it's a difference. I did love you to be the commentator. Yeah, I'm the world cup. I believe that was a 2.6 meter pass. Oh yeah. Still running along the side lunch with that wheel. That pizza cutter wheel. Massive great spreadsheet. I'm trying to keep track of everyone. Yeah, yeah. So is that a massive difference? Well, I mean, three, then,
Starting point is 00:26:24 two point five, three point seven. Sorry, I forgot. I'm talking to a man who can tell the difference between coaching diet. No, the meters differential was less 50 percent more per pass, you know, almost 50 percent more. Yes, not as like 10 centimeters shy of being 50 percent more, but still but one status expert said, I'll, I just love this. It's almost like the men are playing a game of chess and the women are playing something a bit more interesting than chess. Oh. Wow. Can I say piss off because it's actually
Starting point is 00:26:51 something that's like watching chess. Like a 3D chess, like they have in Star Wars. Star Wars. Wars. No, that, oh yeah. It's probably both. Yeah. Well, it's, hmm, it's now on my home top.
Starting point is 00:27:02 You're all gone. You're all gone. It's Harry Potter one, remember? We've got the other big statues moving forward. We will get him, as just to say, in Star Wars they have the hologram chest, don't they? Okay. With the monsters.
Starting point is 00:27:14 And I think in Star Trek, I don't know what they have. You've lost me, I'll be honest, you're not lost me. You've got back to football. I'll pick some. It is definitely like quite a different game in term, like it feels at the ground It's a very different experience wasn't a game. It's a far more inclusive positive atmosphere
Starting point is 00:27:29 But actually on the pitch that's interesting. So you play don't you yeah, how far do you normally pass? I reckon I'm working at the moment with a good 2.7 I was okay No, I think we heard a lot in the in, a couple of people observing that there was a bit less diving and a bit less sort of, gonna get emails here from blokes, as we always do, but going, oh, we don't dive. Actually, no, you, on this podcast, you won't.
Starting point is 00:27:55 You probably get a nice peak. No, no, it's the first time I've ever been to a lining belt for more. I think the toxic masculinity is probably quite low on the list of things. Oh, excuse me, I'm currently doing the inbox, so I tell you, the number of laddy laddys, it's the full of not tall men. Yeah, really.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Yeah. One thing I found about watching women's games as opposed to men's games is that everyone who's at the ground is watching the game. Oh, yeah. So like, if you go and watch a men's football match, quite often you're watching the opposing fans. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Why? Well, you're there. They're watching you. Yeah, you're kind of singing and chants. Referencing the chance. Yeah, what's the real testing? It's not singing and chanting. It's doing a lot of hand gestures at each other. Oh, regardless of what's happening. Unsupported ones. Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not thumbs up. It's not a heart shape for a question. Yeah, because you could, I mean, your whole end of the stands
Starting point is 00:28:47 could do a great big heart. If you've got a bunch of people, watch Leeds. That's what they do. I love it. Andy's just there, starting a cost game. I love you, shirt. shirt, where's that from? For, yeah, and I went to watch, I think it was a welcome
Starting point is 00:28:59 in France, but everyone there was watching the game. Right. Literally no one is doing anything else. Yeah, but it is interesting to hear the actual But I literally know one is doing anything else. Yeah, but it isn't just interesting to hear the actual clinical differences of the on-pitch play. Maybe if the men's players kicks the ball a bit less far or further actually then it might improve the mood in the stands.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Yeah, maybe they wouldn't need to play all those hand gestures. For me, Gah is Portuguese for Ant. Oh yeah, because she got a nice six leg. She's got six legs. And she can carry 19 times her own body weight, can't she? Yeah, actually, I just realised that an old word for Ant was pismier because they spell of urine. Oh yeah, look at this.
Starting point is 00:29:38 There we go. So she's called Ant. That was a nickname that was given to her when she was at school. And it was when she was playing football. They said that she's to play ten she was at school and it was when she was playing football. They said that she's to play tenaciously and unselfishly. Much like how an ant would operate within its own colony. So she was very much busy all the time and always helping out.
Starting point is 00:29:55 She hated it. I really did. As a kid, she learned to just accept it, but she said in the beginning I didn't like it very much. Thought it was weird. She's small, doesn't it, I guess. Yeah, the actual reason for it is nice, but to be called ant. Yeah, well she said, I don't like it very much, you know, thought it was weird. She's small, doesn't it, I guess. Yeah, the actual reason for it is nice, but to be called aunt.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Yeah, well she said I don't have an antenna, like my one, that's true. I'm just giving a bit of hung up on. Yeah, I'll look, where are my mandibles? Yeah. Can I see if Macy, I wonder if you've seen this movie. Okay. It's called, it's called.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Titanic. Titanic. Titanic. Titanic. LAUGHTER Then get that back. Star Wars. It's called Escape to Victory. No, I've not seen this film. Has anyone seen this film?
Starting point is 00:30:35 It's very famous. Is it? I've never heard of this film before. It's Star's Sylvester Stallone, Michael Cain, Pele, and Bobby Moore. What? I mean, that is the real expendable. So is it a football, or it sounds like a prison? It is. It is.
Starting point is 00:30:51 It's a prison movie whereby, let's get through football. They set up a match and during the match, as part of the match prep. But I just love this, a Stallone, Michael Cain, Bobby Moore, and as a... That's mad. Yeah, I know. Oh my God. I can see this film.. Yeah, I know. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:31:05 I didn't see this film. I know, I really need to see it. Is it any good? It's a classic. A classic, yeah, yeah. I can read between those lights. All those exams. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:15 It's one of the things they used to show it on like Sunday evening. Can I just say, if anybody ever went, maybe you had a boxy in a comedy, what's it like? And somebody went, it's classic. I think that would be absolutely harrow. You'd rather be by Nazis for the... ...one for the tour poster. One last thing on Pele, just while we're on him very quickly.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Pele's last ever match, 1977, he played, and it was an exhibition match and it was the New York Cosmos against Santos and two teams that he used to play for. So in order to make sure that he wasn't siding with any particular team, in the first half he played with one team and in the second half he played with the other team. That's final match ever. Absolutely love that. Yeah. Only Pelleca could get away with doing that though. Yeah, so he didn't change ends. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Which must give you a slight advantage, right? Possibly. Yeah, because you're probably being Peleca's just like... Yeah, that's why you're so good. LAUGHTER When I was at school, I used to obviously play football for the schools and a lot of the schools would have pictures that were on massive slants.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Oh, my God. And so, like, you'd be in the first half, you'd be winning five now, and you'd end up losing like, 21-5. I my god. And so like, you'd be in the first half, you'd be winning five daily. You'd end up losing like 21-5. I played a league in Brighton, and we played on one the other day. If you've ever been to Whitehall, it's a fantastic club in Whitehall, but their ground is on a slope, sort of left to right and up to that.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Like, you could ski down it. You could ski down it. There was one that I played that at school in Bolton. This was, I think I was in primary school and it was like slanted like you say from one wing to the other. You can imagine that. And we were all primary school kids, so we didn't really know how to play football. And so the ball would just always end up rolling to the ball. Yeah. And all 22 kids. It's part of the pitch. A lot of corner balls from one specific corner.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Okay, it is time for fact number three. That is Andy. My fact is that American schools have a sport of competitive meat judging. No. No. Wait. Yeah. Meat judging. Meat judging. It's less dodgy than it says. Leave, gym. Mate your gym.
Starting point is 00:33:25 It's less dodgy than it says. It's, it's mate, I think this, I should say this was sent in by an audience member called Kevin and Fegan. So thank you Kevin. Kevin Fegan. Fegan. Yeah. Kevin Fegan.
Starting point is 00:33:37 Yeah. Like Kevin Kegan but with an F. Yeah. Oh right. But he's not a vegan. Yeah. I don't, he didn't say anything. He's a vegetarian. God come on. Kevin, he's not a vegan. Yeah, I don't he didn't say anything. He's a vegetarian.
Starting point is 00:33:45 God come on. Kevin, if you're a man, you think I better than that, that's amazing. You've not had many of the subjects. I loved it. I loved it. What's Kevin saying?
Starting point is 00:33:54 Kevin saying this, boy, I've just, that's what it is. That's the fact. That's the main truth. And it's made, I think this might be the most American sport possible. Okay, actually judge me. What's the criteria?
Starting point is 00:34:05 Oh, wow. Is this a kick or is it a cow? That's the one. That's the absolute baseline. No, no, no, no. This is, okay, it's a college sport. It's an intercollegiate sport, right? So it's sort of students who are playing it.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And they, like all over the country, teams of students practice all year and then they get to the competition. And what you have to do is you're presented with a range of meat carcasses and you have to judge the yield, how much meat you'll get out of it, how much fat there is in it, the consumer experience, the age of the carcass, and you have to do all this by site only. Oh, site only. Also, they don't just put a slab of meat in front of you and you go pork.
Starting point is 00:34:44 No, no, no, no. Not just guests that get beef or pork, but I'll just know how reckoned I'd be alright at this. Andy, do you think a someone who can tell the difference would be diet cut? I know. You were big at the spot. I think I'm right. Yeah, I think it sounds amazing.
Starting point is 00:34:58 It's like meat chess, basically. You're really like, you get 10 minutes to inspect each carcass. They're hanging up in front of you. You're not really touching them much. You look like a big cold fridge. You're in a fridge. You're in a fridge. You're in a fridge.
Starting point is 00:35:11 Yeah, exactly. And then you're asked to guess what yield? Yeah, I mean all sorts. And what I'm most sure to get. My favorite one is, and this is purely by sight, you have to go and evaluate whether a table of 10 cuts that are laid down fit a checklist of the United States Department of Agricultural Standards. Who's revising this?
Starting point is 00:35:34 Oh, people put some as racket. They train sometimes for 12 hours a day leading up to the conversation. Whilst they're in college, have you seen how expensive college is in America? How human would these parents be if they knew? You were you were revising well looking at me chicken They must get a scholarship I guess right you know like I can't get a meat scholarship You only play also you they're kind of the competitors
Starting point is 00:35:58 They're kind of like the mafais of the sporting world they get you get one season. That's it You can't play twice you can't play in two consecutive years. Oh, not like for me, go. You can't be the for me, go relate to each other. No. Which is a nightmare for the coaches that pick. Let's star meat exactly examiners. You try to look for one season and then they're out.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Then you're back, yeah, you're just back to the start, finding fresh blood, you have to. Why would you bother genuinely? Why would you bother pursuing this if you can't become one of the great meat judges if you can't do it year in year out? There are talent scouts who come to the competitions. You're lying.
Starting point is 00:36:33 No, I'm not. I swear, I swear. I mean, a lot of the students are already studying agriculture, that kind of thing. So a lot of the competitors will end up going into meat professionally, you know, the US. So they might be scouted to go into these top jobs because of our well they did at the
Starting point is 00:36:50 meat shop. Exactly. If you're the head of a meat company, then you really want the best meat judges to be part of your company. You'll pay lots of money. So you'll go to some intercollegiate competition, and be like, wow, Stephen's very good at cocking. Yeah, and, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:05 And eight percent of them go into food and livestock industry jobs after college. That means 20% don't know. There might be some savages who were studying it. When I said just doing it for fools, they go and into equipment. Study poetry, the meat is pure passion for them and then yeah, exactly. Just so you hold it. I just love it. I love it so much. But you do get like the full meager of this,
Starting point is 00:37:27 even though the span is just one season. So there is one person called Maddie Ainsley. And Maddie Ainsley did seven competitions, like full meager, because around the country, you go around the country with seven different cultures. Oh okay. So this is taking up a lot of your year. This is not like one meat competition
Starting point is 00:37:44 and she won five of the sevens. She's the all star. Wow, that's great. There's one guy called Rody Hawkins, who was a former meat judge from Tennessee. And this is the only one. That can't be a sentence. Rody Hawkins, meat judge from Tennessee. This is like if Chuck G. P. T. wrote a novel. He was a totally judge from Tennessee. Right, an American novel. Rodi Hawkins from Tennessee. Here's the only famous one I could find
Starting point is 00:38:18 who went from meat judging to greater things. He co-invented Lunchables, which is a famous... Sorry! They're good, like... No, no, no, no, come on. He's judging the quality of me and he came out with Lunchables. It's like a little plastic... Processed. ...with some squares of processed ham and some squares of processed cheese and some preckers. Right. Yeah, it must have been up all night thinking of.
Starting point is 00:38:49 I read a sports illustrated article on Meat Judging. That was great. It's an amazing article and there's a bit that explains exactly what it takes to enter these competitions and be a meat. So, to be a meat judge, quick decision-making, critical reasoning, self-assurance, and above all the ability to quiet one's mind for up
Starting point is 00:39:05 to six hours standing in frigid temperatures and total silence. And according to a judge from 2015, It's quite a huge challenge. I was like, self assurance, yeah, and then you read the fourth one. I was like, ah, down, stop me. Fifth ability to judge me. Exactly. But what the quote from the judge from 2015 said, and this is to do with the total silence,
Starting point is 00:39:24 you have to fight your own demons in the meat judging cooler I don't want to fight demons in a much cooler You're the demons in the meat judging cooler Oh yours, it's just the internal voices The internal voices in the six hours of silence as you stare and try to work out if it's actually called to be sound There are moments where, so this might have been in the same piece. There was a student from Texas Tech. She was called Taylor Shirts. She was a second year student.
Starting point is 00:39:50 What's that? Two shirts. Two shirts. Again, I think a rom-com set in the meat judging world would be genuinely would be good. Meat cute. Meat cute. There we go. Oh God.
Starting point is 00:40:02 The heads bump over a frozen beef cut. No, so she at one point was the former's meat judge in the country. Oh God! The head's bump over a frozen beef car. I can't believe this. No, so she at one point was the former's meat judge in the country. And I think, I don't know what year this was, she was competing, but there was a competition in Houston. This just shows you how brutal meat judging is, right? She was in the top 10 nationally, she was doing brilliantly.
Starting point is 00:40:20 And then she misjudged the age of one beef carcass and plummeted down to 36 36 position. So you know just how wrong did she get it really round? It's from 1743 I think this meets a lot I don't know it doesn't relate but it just goes to show it's I think there's something Australia too. I think there is meat judging there too. Wow.
Starting point is 00:40:48 It sounds like you have to judge the hot carcass weight. Yeah. The amount of kidney fat, amount of heart fat, area of rib eye muscle. Oh, I'm just looking at it. Yeah. If you got stuck in a freezer, like one of these big butcher freezers, let's say you kind of, the door closes itself, but you put your foot there to stop it from closing. But then you slip on a sausage or something
Starting point is 00:41:09 and your foot goes out of the way and the door closes. It doesn't open from the inside. What's the best thing inside the freezer to help you get through that door? Do you know the answer? Yeah, this is a real thing that happened. Yeah, wasn't, yeah, wasn't there a guy who beat his way out with something? Is there a bone? Oh, oh, interest and key bone. So you can, yeah, he carves, he is a whittler and he can't get the wish bone and you wish that you know. It's not having a poo and using the frozen poo too. No, I don't know where. You're in a freezer, everything's frozen. There's no need to have the poo.
Starting point is 00:41:52 If only I had something to freeze. Yes, I got to take a shit. That's the only logical thing to do here. Shit, my way out. This lift has been stopped for just 30 seconds. Wait to see here. Shit my way out. That this lift has been stopped for just 30 seconds. Wait to see it. No no no, I insist. I'll get this out of this. I've lost. Rease the food and fashion it into a presser to press the button. What help? A room full of frozen meats. I'll put my own tools like you. LAUGHTER
Starting point is 00:42:25 So, let me say no to them. Of course, your Dennydyle did. LAUGHTER No music for me, thank you Laura. My next track. So, your look-sh-y item is... LAUGHTER No, it wasn't happened.
Starting point is 00:42:42 So, this really happened to a guy called Mr. McCabe, who's a butcher. And apparently the beef is too slippery. If you grab a frozen beef, it's kind of too slippy to bash your way out. If you get a big chunk of lamb, you can't really get any purchase on it, and it's often too big. But the perfect thing is a black pudding. If you get a full black pudding, especially one made by the Royal Butcher HM Sheridan of Balata, Aberdeenshire, these are exactly the right size. That's specific. What a weird secret sponsorship.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Are you getting money on the side? Apparently it's almost exactly the same size as you know one of those police battering rams that you knock down. Wow. It's like that and this guy managed to knock his way out of the freezer and he said he said I'm really lucky we sell about two or three each week and this was the last one we had. I've been sold to one more he would have been stuck there. Are they buying them as battering round people? Is that Aberdeen police? Please.
Starting point is 00:43:49 As he leaves the free say he looks back. He's done in the corner, Danny. You're coming? No, thank you. I'll get myself out. 20 more shits. I should have a bad round out of this. I'll see what the...
Starting point is 00:44:00 That tack we went to with Escape preview. You, Daddy. Yeah, not loud back there. How about this? How about putting a door handle on the other side of the door? Yeah, I mean, how do we not? Honestly, most of them do have big, most do. Any that I've been in, I've got a big red button
Starting point is 00:44:16 that you can press and get out of. Oh, that's cool. Sorry, how many freezes have you been in that the door's shut and you have to let yourself out of? A couple. Okay. I used to work in kitchens yourself out of? A couple. Okay. I used to work in kitchens and stuff. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Okay. Have you guys heard of Rechtubklaat? Rechtubklaat. The rapper. I don't even know what you're saying. Rechtubklaat. How do you spell klat? K-L-A-T.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Oh. This sounds like it's something from the Netherlands. It's actually Australia. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. KELAT. It's part of a kangaroo. No. Is it anything to do with... Anything we're talking about? Is our way of cheating at cricket. It's... Oh! We are? James single-handedly lowering our Australian audience to zero. That was the week to go by. No.
Starting point is 00:45:15 What is it? It is a secret butcher language. No wonder we haven't heard it. It's a secret. It's a butcher language. It's a secret butcher language. Okay, so what do you think the secret language is? Oh, it's in meat displays of the window.
Starting point is 00:45:30 So you arrange the softers. And it means I'm available. Yeah, it's like a retrafic live party, but for the other publishers. Well, the clue is in the name, Rechtop Clat. Oh, if you read it backwards, sorry, is it an ad-a-gram? I'm a great writer. Butch-a-, butch, butch, butch, butch, butch, butch, butch, butch, butch,
Starting point is 00:45:49 a talk is the secret language that is shared. And this has been going since the 1960s, butch is all over Australia, use this and it's been in Australian movies as well, whereby they talk backwards to each other so that they can say stuff that the customer can't hear in order to... No. Yep, absolutely. And you can get the age sauce. In order to walk. So you might say on stealth tuck knee-het-pooz.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Oh, we see the glasses. And that means no cutlets in the shop. And you would say that out loud, so that everyone, sometimes, a massive butchers in Australia might have 20 butchers, the serving people, and they would know to just immediately eliminate that as part of the process.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Ah, I see, but you don't upset the customer. Exactly, and you don't want to upset the customer. On Doug Kuf, a gaff. Oh, good. Food. Fake. It's no good, fuckface. Oh, no. They like...'s no good fuckface. Oh, they like that.
Starting point is 00:46:47 They like that. They've worked that out. It's pretty like the rest of it. Like the examples is pretty misogynistic, have to say. Why is it needed though? Well, largely because if there's a difficult customer, they want to be able to say difficult customer. If it's a bit rude about misogynisticly.
Starting point is 00:47:02 But the most important customer facing roles that haven't had to do this, as that. No, but I guess you're all in one line and if you need to get a message down the line to everyone here's it in the chart. So you're already sticking out for these sexist butchers? No, I'm not. I'm telling you that it exists.
Starting point is 00:47:16 That's what I'm trying to say. It's actually in my romcom. No, the meat judging romcom. I think there should be a nice, like maybe the lovers speak to each other using Yeah A butcher talk, whatever it was called Yeah, something flat Yeah, wretch tub clad, wretch tub clad Yeah, some titles, they entire movie so that you can see what that makes it more classy I guess
Starting point is 00:47:35 Yeah, but it just says no good fuck fight So along the bottom of the earth, that's not what I'm talking about That's the closing line of the film, that's it And they kiss and, right, clean my dear. I undue cook it, love. Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show. And that is my fact. My fact this week is that the first wireless headset microphone was made for Kate Bush.
Starting point is 00:48:03 And it was made out of an old coat hanger. Oh, wow. First of all, how? Well, you're just making it sort of go around the years, aren't you? And then you need the perfect bit that actually that you use the hanger. So you would attach the microphone, which would be,
Starting point is 00:48:18 you know, Oh, so you just wear in a coat hanger round your ass? Exactly. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's basically those Madonna mics. Yeah, it's the steps mics I would call them but yeah Brittany Mike a Brittany Micah it should be called a Bush mic basically because she she is the the founder does it quite well a best you're thinking of a problematic president at worst if he
Starting point is 00:48:39 gives something much more but yeah so this is so it's interesting to know that we know the very first time anyone wore one of these Madonna Britney mics and it was Kate Bush. It was on her tour, the tour of life in 1979. It was a song called Moving, which was the opening number, and the reason that she needed it was because there was so much choreography. There was so much costume change and everything movement that she needed her hands for everything that she did She couldn't hold a microphone. So it was one of the sound engineers Two names come up when you look into it. It's a bit hard to nail it down But one person was called Martin Fisher a lot of people said it was him some people say it was Gordon Patterson
Starting point is 00:49:20 It was definitely one of the two and it was on this tour that it was done and it was done on Cape Bush's only ever Tour that she did. She didn't want to. She's never done another tour. She's done a residency. She's a lot of travel does RK Oh really? Yeah, she's not into it and And it's a shame because it sounds like she might have been one of the greatest touring acts that you could ever see I mean this what would she have invented on the future tour? Exactly. Yeah, but listen so this this the tour of life as I say It was called this is like a few highlights that you would have seen in that show right so we opened with whale song that was playing with Cape Bush's shadow projected dancing while the curtains were starting to part and revealing the stage
Starting point is 00:49:59 And then after a song or two the whole theater was filled with the sound of heartbeats and red lights. There was large oval, a pulsed red satin egg-wroom-like ball that would be rolled onto stage with Kate inside, where she would sing the song Room for the Life as she was rolled around the stage, hence not being able to use her hands. There was a moment where she was singing a song called Violin, where she was chased around the stage by two dancers dressed as giant violins. There was poetry readings from her brother. A magician came out and did an act with a floating wand. She came out as a world war two pilot. She came out as a wild western cowboy-esque looking thing with a rifle. And she would shoot ribbons at the dancers. I mean the whole thing with every song had a theme and a production to it and was a spectacle basically. She's probably still writing the second song. Exactly. I did go and
Starting point is 00:50:55 sit, you know, about what would it have been about 2016, maybe 2015, something like that nearly 10 years ago. She did a night of about, about, she was about 29, and a Smith Apollo. Yeah, that was the resume. And me and Mum managed to get tickets. It was like, you know, when you get set up all the laptops, it's like, that's a space station trying to get tickets. F5F5F.
Starting point is 00:51:17 And we got that, literally, we got them. And that was pretty, pretty, got like, it was the first time she performed live into me like 25 years. Yeah. Unreal. And she flew. She flew it, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:28 No, she did, she flew. Like, so she did, she did this song at the end, where suddenly, like a big crash of thunder happened. And I don't, I mean, obviously she would have been attached to it. But like, you know, you know the thing I'm talking about at the Apollo, right? I don't know, because she wasn't attached to the ceiling directly above the audience, but she flew right out to like, what, what, like, touching distance to touch in the circle. And she's, um, she's getting, I think, you know, she went mad at saying this, she's getting on his archaic, like, it was...
Starting point is 00:52:00 She's 50-something, you know. I gasped purely out of admiration, purely out of concern for her welfare. As she flew directly towards us, we were in the circle. It was like absolutely terrifying and incredible and mesmerizing. Yeah, I think she's in her 60s now. Blimey. Yeah. Was that Bioney Trond's Wuthering Heights when she was doing that song?
Starting point is 00:52:21 No, it wasn't that song. No, no. It was like a, it was terrible. It was, it was a really aggressive, so it was that big crash of thunder. And then she just sort of, it was, I think it was called the dawn of something. And she just flew out of it.
Starting point is 00:52:32 And she looked like a big crow. And at the time, did you think she's flying? Yeah. Yeah, I did. I would as well, we came bush. She has mystical qualities. Yeah, yeah, it was so good. Maybe she invented something.
Starting point is 00:52:46 We don't have yet like the bush rocket which kind of flies her up in the air. Maybe that's why she doesn't talk because she's like, you know, don't want everybody to know about it. The invented flying, I don't know. So she, Kate Bush, shares a birthday with Emily Bronte, who wrote Wuthering Heights. No, it's interesting. I'm not going to say it's her big song, but it's one of the biggest, doesn't it? That is the breakthrough song.
Starting point is 00:53:15 Yeah, 30th of July, 1818 and 1958, respectively. That's amazing. Can I just tell you a quick thing about the word Wuthering? Oh yeah, I'm not sure. What does it mean? Yeah, no I don't. Any guess it like any weathering. Weathering height. Is it to fly to the circle sort of venue? That's it. The weathering height. It feels on a matter periodically, it feels like weathering almost like you know like the wind especially because of the book. It feels like the mors and blowing stuff and
Starting point is 00:53:43 that's pretty much it, is it? But it's pretty much, she I think was just about the first to say, wuthering. It's wuthering but with a Yorkshire accent. It's her butt is tainted, not right. It was previously used much more as withering. Yeah. With an H, an extra H, a withering, which meant rushing along and it was usually a reference to wind, like just like you're saying, James. And a witherah was a lusty, a strong, or a stout person.
Starting point is 00:54:10 Really? Just like wither, now is the opposite of lusty, and is again with an extra H, sure. So it's a witherah, you know, that was in the Francis Gro's dictionary of the Volga tongue, his Womens. And there was also a word to make a withering, or a rushing noise, which was to Wada.. So it could have been Waddering Heights.
Starting point is 00:54:28 That's what I do. It sounds like something Elmo fun would be. Waddering Heights. It does sound like Waddering Heights. Yeah. And she hadn't read the book when she wrote Waddering Heights, Kate Bush. Really? She gets a lot of the pop points in.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I'm actually dumb. She must have read the spark notes on top of that. She'd watched the adaptation on the BBC, which was really big the year before. It was absolutely massive. And she wrote the song based on the book and then later on read the book. Oh, but that's dangerous because sometimes they really change the plot. I did in the A Level drama, I had to do what's that Noel Coward play with Al Vira, Mae'n gweithio'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn ffordd o'r amser yn And you just tell me again, like which bit inspired you to talk about the car crash scene. And I was literally just chatting pure, I was wuddering on. And she was like, yep, yep. And so it's not in the play, amazing. Exactly, exactly.
Starting point is 00:55:34 It's only in the film. And she may be right at all again. I had the exact same experience with Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day. Oh, come on. In your A levels. And. Unfortunately, the... Did you think when he was a poet?
Starting point is 00:55:48 Piggly uses him to beat his way out of freezer, doesn't he? No, fortunately, in my case, the screen adaption was very close to the source material, so I've got away with it, but it was... I know that fear. Yeah. I searched on the newspaper archives, newspapers.com and the British newspaper archives for the first mention of Kate Bush.
Starting point is 00:56:11 And the first mention I could find was from the Burton Observer and Chronicle, and it was from the week that Wuthering Heights came out, because she was pretty unknown at that stage. And in the first week, it went to, I think, like number 29 in the charts. It wasn't like huge but it was it was there. And the review said, how do we stop Emily Bronte spinning in her grave? The easiest way would be to
Starting point is 00:56:35 call back in all the copies of Kate Bush's weathering heights. Singing the role of ghostly caffeine she appeals for Heathcliff to let her in. If Heathcliff has any sense, he'll plug his ears with cotton wool and go to bed. Wow. Wow. I believe that's the first review of that. You know that? It was in the Burton Observer and it was just initials. I think it was said A-H or something so I didn't say who the person was. Oh god, a B-H is just constantly hoping they never get revealed. I really miss the different A-Hs. There was loads of people with A-H. is just constantly hoping they never get revealed. I think so. I really miss the different A.H. There was loads of people with A.H. at the Burton. I really try to look at the best and observer
Starting point is 00:57:10 and chronicle history to see if anyone who'd worked there had these initials that couldn't find them. You were trying to get a witch out going. I was going to email them and say, what do you think about it that way? But this is so weird because there's another connection there. The novel got shocking reviews when it came out.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Really? So one said, the only consolation which we have been reflecting on it is that it will never be generally read Oh, wow another wrote how a human being how a human being could have attempted such a book as the present without committing Suicide before he had finished a dozen chapters is a mystery. Wow. I mean admittedly I do own a copy and haven't read it So did you know we did a school? No, we didn't Really? Yeah, we didn't either No, really? I read it
Starting point is 00:57:49 It is, it is, um, look I'm an Ambronte fan I'm gonna put my cards on the table, I prefer Am I think Amalie is a bit overrated Wow, see this is what we get at that time I'm A H M, yeah Yeah, yeah That is his initials Yeah I mean is it possible that A H was paying tribute to, he yeah, that is his initials.
Starting point is 00:58:05 I mean, is it possible that A.H. was paying tribute to, he actually, or she actually loved the song and just wanted to reflect the original review for the look itself? No way, no way. No, it's impossible. A.H. is listening at home, go, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, please.
Starting point is 00:58:21 But a wireless mic born from a coat hanger. Yeah. That's exciting, because now they're everywhere. Yeah, please. But a wireless mic born from a coat hanger. Yeah. That's exciting, because now they're everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Just on microphones. Yeah. In the 1930s, the BBC had a special microphone, which was only for the use of the Royal family.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Oh, it kind of is in the BBC to this day. It's an artifact of, so that is when they started doing Royal broadcasts at Christmas. I think that was in the 30s. I know the short of faith he started doing that yeah Yeah, and I think a BBC sound engineer saw the standard microphone that they were going to do it with and thought This is not good enough for the king Yeah, and just and quickly put some You know regal blue velvet cloth over it, which you would think would slightly dampen the it might help it
Starting point is 00:59:03 It's actually now going yeah, maybe a good point and anyway as the years went by they got more and more elaborate and so over it, which you would think would slightly dampen the... It might help, it starts to melt. It actually might. Yeah. Maybe a good point. And anyway, as the years went by, they got more and more elaborate. And so they ended up with this beautiful, weird-looking thing, which was in a kind of gilded cage. Wow. This isn't Dan's house. It's from Dan's house.
Starting point is 00:59:18 That's really cool. It's this because they worried that, like, non-regal spits might get into it. I was wondering, I think we have to make it fancy for the king or queen to use. It's because they worried that like non-regal spits might get into it. I was thinking we have to make it fancy for the king or queen to use. Hey Bush met the queen. Went to Buckingham Palace in 2005. She asked for a autograph. Who asked for who's autograph?
Starting point is 00:59:35 Bush asked for a queen. Okay. She asked for a queen. She asked for a queen. She asked for a queen. I mean, it's plausible. It is plausible. And about it, the queen do.
Starting point is 00:59:44 I can't. Yeah, exactly. It's not allowed to give out those pleasant. It is. It's pleasant. And what did the queen do? I cough. Yeah, exactly. So I'm allowed to give her those graphs. I think. She not. Okay, someone tries to do credit card for me. You're not allowed to.
Starting point is 00:59:52 Yeah. I'm just scamming the queen. Yeah. No, what does it do? She said, Oh, I'm going to cough. If you were going to try and scam the queen, you need the mums maiden name.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Yeah, post line. Oh, she did have an. And then you could... The name of her first text. The first girl you grew up on? Yeah. The actual heirs that just have like a first-natured... Like Charles Windsor and stuff like that, I guess. Oh, yeah. I think if you had the Queen's autograph,
Starting point is 01:00:16 you might be able to start wars against other countries. Yes, that's true. That's a big thing. And Kate Bush, as we know, does any intent... She does want to do that, and she has tried several dives. I would say that poses a bigger threat as well that just logging into the Queen's Amazon Prime. I can't imagine anyone call Bush starting illegal ones. Okay that's it that is all of our facts thank you so much for listening if you'd like to get in contact with any of us about the things that we've said over is all of our facts. Thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to get in contact with any of us about the things that we've said over the course of this
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