No Such Thing As A Fish - Little Fish: Checking the Mark Hoppus

Episode Date: September 27, 2026

Andy explains why he is a hashtag legend, while he, Anna and Dan discuss YOUR facts . This week's subjects include pedestriennes, presidents and pyramid schemes. And the gang announce eight more Friend of the Podcast custodians.Visit nosuchthingasafish.com for news about live shows, merchandise and more episodes.Join Club Fish for ad-free episodes and exclusive bonus content at apple.co/nosuchthingasafish or nosuchthingasafish.com/patreonEdited by James HarkinProduced by Leying LeeTeam includes Tara Dorrell, Joe Mayo and Ethan Ruparelia

Hello and welcome to another episode of Little Fish. My name's Andrew Hunter Murray. I'm here in the QI offices with Dan Shriver and Anna Tijinsky, and we've brought some of your best facts. Hey, guys. Hi, Andy. Hey, buddy. Who's got a fact?

I've got a fact. That's a weird hello, Dan. You can't just be laughing from the outset. I'm a funny guy, Anna. I was laughing at your hello. Ouch, okay. I'll work on that. Order, or dare.

I want a fact. You want a fact? I've got a fact from Jack Pupart. When Albania, this is actually an incredible fact and I want to do a whole podcast on it. Oh, okay. When Albania transitioned from communism to capitalism, the result was that almost two-thirds of the country

ended up involved in pyramid schemes. Now, this is the most incredible story I can't believe I didn't know about. So Albania, you know, Soviet bloc fell and they'd never done capitalism before. Most people didn't really know how it works. They'd never had private banking before. They didn't really understand interest rates.

And all of these pyramid companies started up. Two-thirds of the country invested all their savings in them. And basically it was where you took a deposit out and then the interest was paid by the next person's deposit. And then that interest was paid by the next person's deposit. Do you know exactly how a pyramid scheme works? I thought that was how normal banking works. But I've lost all my money to a pyramid scheme.

Do not join the Murray Bank. Do they, by the way, when you said they went from communism to capitalism, Is that a one day, is it like, you know, when countries change side of the roads for the driving side? They normally phase it in, I think. So all eggs are still communist, but if you're buying cereal, then you have to pay. Very confusing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. A lot of crashes happen. This was incredible, though. So genuinely, the IMF said to Albania, this is fucked up. It's a pyramid scheme. We in the capitalist world have known about this for ages. No one believed it. And anyway, it all collapsed in the late 90s. And there was a, this massive rebellion and 2,000 people in fact died in the end of the 90s in these huge rebellions. Yikes. Albania was looted.

State armies were looted. It's a classic Anna fact, which he gets us all excited. Oh, there's going to be some great comic twist coming up. Like a Mr. Bean episode, thousands died. Last episode of Mr. Bean, everyone died. Wow. That sounds extraordinary. That's an incredible story.

Yeah. All right, I've got one now. This is a great fact. It comes in from Igor Ferreira. One fact I think is quite amusing, says Igor, is that Georgia, that's the state in the USA, not the Eastern European country, has two counties which share a border and they're named Bacon County and Coffee County. Quite a breakfast pair. Unfortunately, Coffee County does not have a strong coffee production culture. Neither does Bacon County have prominent swine farms.

And it turns out that Bacon County was named. after Senator Augustus Bacon. And Coffey County was named after Congressman John E. Coffee. Oh, man. Isn't that good? It is good. It's good. It's really good. Coffee County, John E. Coffey, Coffey,

really interesting guy. He is often confused with John Coffey, his cousin, of course, who is the namesake of Tennessee's Coffee County. Of course. This is stunning. And I went a bit harkin on this. Yeah. And I read through a list.

of 3,000 counties in America. Wow. Cool. And I just thought, I'd see if there were any more amusing food named counties. Yeah. Crisp County, Georgia, Congressman Charles Crisp. Lamb County, Texas, George Lamb. Orange County, Indiana, named after the Quakers from a different Orange County.

And there's also Letcher County, Governor Robert Letcher, Cumming, Cumming, and Cock County, Tennessee, named after Senator William Cock. Who had a huge penis? A huge penis. Willie Cox. Willie Cock. Yes.

And there's also Big Horn County in Montana, but that is named after the local sheep. Okay. Really good stuff. Anyway, there you go. Counties. Lovely work. Very cool. I got a fact here.

This has been sent in by Mark Hoppus. The fact is that punk band Blink 182 are the only band to have broken the Geneva Convention. So, the email continues. Basically, the cover of their 1999 album, Enema of the State. features a nurse with a red cross on her hat. As Blink 182 aren't a medical organization, they were told by the American Red Cross that they would be breaking the Geneva Convention

and so subsequent pressings of the album remove the Red Cross from the cover. Really? But no one would have tried to get medical attention from the album. I think it's just something in place to mean that you can't, yeah, that you can't use it. And would they have been on trial in the Hague,

were it not for that removal? I think so. Right now, Nexus Lobb. Yeah, I think that's exactly why they had to remove it. Interesting little thing that I can hear, even though it's a pre-recorded show, I can hear thousands of people yelling out right now. I think I might be about to yell it out. Did you just say that that email was sent in by someone called Mark Hoppus? Oh, okay. Mark Hoppus is one of the members of the band. Now, either, Andy, you've misread the name of the person sending in this email. Always possible. Or it's possible,

though, that Blink 182 listened to our show and sent in this fact. But that's, Mark is the basest in blink 182. Should I write back? Don't say, are you the also? No, what I was going to shout out down is you keep saying blink 182. I know, weird. And everyone I know says blink 182. But I think their full name of course is blink 182.

Yeah. Yeah, I actually don't know. That's, I've always called them blink 182. Interesting. Yeah. I call them blink nine score and two. Well, in French, of course, Blink Saint-Catchervander. It must have got to be a big fan of his who's pretending to be him in his email.

Well, yeah, because then it says source this interview by bassist Mark Hoppers. So why would you source yourself rather than just saying, hey, it's Mark Hoppus? I must have just copied out the email wrong. That must be wrong. I'll check that later. Unless, of course, Mark Hoppers just happens to have the same name as the bassist from Blink 182 and therefore has interest in them, has read up on them. Spend his whole life reading about them and, yeah, knows all about them.

That's possible to. But didn't think it's worth putting in the email itself, just as you. know, I'm not that Mark Hoppers. Yeah, because he would have assumed that, no, their right minds would assume that the bassist would write in citing an interview with himself. I think he's testing you to see if you spot it. And it bypassed some people, but it stopped at you.

The buck stopped at you, Dan. I love him. I think they're amazing. The album cover, by the way, this wasn't the only change that it went through. So the Red Cross was taken away. But also, there was a capital B for Blink on the album initially. their logo was a lowercase B. So then that got changed as they did the repressing of it as well.

It's almost like a reverse typo, isn't it? Someone's correctly ascertained that that's the first word of the sentence, so it should have a nice capital letter, and they've had to deliberately get it wrong. They're punk. Do we know why? So they looked at the capital B on the first pressing and thought, not punk enough?

No, no. They have a logo and they have a typeface and they have a style of writing. Sometimes when people write no such thing as a fish, and it's a small A for as. Yes, and that gives me the big old ick. That gives me the screaming abdavs, but I'm not a cool punk. I think the punkiest thing to do would be not care whether it's enough or a lowercase B. Well, then there's more changes to this album cover.

Yeah, than the typo? And also the cross on the front. Then there was a Malaysian edition where, so the front cover is a nurse, but she's dressed very sexily, let's say. that. And there's cleavage. And they were like, no cleavage, thank you. So the nurse's top gets covered, so it knocks out the cleavage on the Malaysian cover. So you've got three changes to one album cover. Not very punk to cover up a sexy nurse's cleavage. No, I'm trying to also, it's more like a carry-on film. I don't know how punk the Malaysian government are, but

I guess there's our answer. But they were so silly, because that album, Enema of the state. It was followed up by an album called Take Off Your Pants and Jacket. And they used to have tours called The Poo Pee Pee Tour. They were very silly back in the day. And then they got a bit serious and they fell out with each other. And very recently, because of a few sad moments for them, Mark Hoppice was diagnosed with cancer and they reconnected off the back of it. They found their comedy again. So their last year's tour was called Missionary Impossible. And it feels like the first time in a while that they've really got funny again. Right. And so Mark if you're listening, we love you. I certainly do.

You got funny again. After those bleak, unfunny years that Dan just mentioned. No, no, no. Oh, Jesus. I would have thought that was a fact for you, Anna. It contains a sudden unexpected serious twist. All right, you want another one? Yeah. From Emily Johns.

And this is that Emma Sharp was the first woman to complete a thousand mile walk in a thousand hours. She did this outside a pub, armed with pistols, whilst people tried to poison her. Unsurprisingly, this was the first and last time she did any sort of walking event. So hang on, sorry, she did the walk outside a pub. Did she walk a mile or half a mile out and half a mile back a thousand times? No, I think she walked a long way. I think she began outside the pub. I don't think she was just walking around around the pub, like waiting for it to open.

I don't think. I've been there, Emma Sharp. God, you know, you've got to keep yourself busy, haven't you? Flocks ticking. When will 7 a.m. arrive? Yeah, and Emily, quite rightly, says she's the most incredible woman and deserves the world to know about her. And she is great. And it just reminded me of this thing that we've never talked about, which is pedestrianism, which James and I covered a bit in our sports book.

I think we've done it a tiny bit, but many years ago. Yes. This mad craze in the late 19th century, mid-late 19th century, for women to go on these big, big long walks very competitively. And this woman, they were trying to poison her, by the way, I think, because there were lots of bets laid on whether she could do it or not. And so vested interest once you put a ground down. Yeah. We all try to jeopardize someone's chances. What you do for a grand, kill someone is...

Well, actually, it's a poison. Or is it just to make us sick? Maybe it was just a big bout of diarrhea or something. We don't know. We don't know. Would you give someone explosive diarrhea for a grand? In modern money. In modern money, yeah.

GbP, pound sterling. Gbp, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what? How would you go about doing it? What do you mean? Well, how are you giving someone explosive diarrhea?

I'd put it in the water. Because everyone needs water eventually. Do you have explosive diarrhea and you're passing it on? Tand, there are ways of giving people diarrhea to deliver putting diarrhea in their food. Well, speaks the voice of experience, apparently. I think he meant a laxative. I meant laxative.

Not shit in their water. Jesus. God, Dan, that's pretty dark. If you were going to do that, you'd have to do it in the tea. Because water is showing up, isn't it? I know. Oh, shit, it is clear water. Water bottle. That'll do it. Ooh, I love

corn in my water. Ironically, you'd be giving someone the runs to stop them doing a walk. That is ironic. That's just pleasing. It's worth it for the headlines, isn't it? In the papers. Let me check that Mark Hoppus right now.

Checking the Mark Hoppice. They're checking Mark Hoppice. I lent upon a hoppice gate. What's that? That's from the Darkling Thrush poem by Thomas Harbour. I'd just like to say, Dan, I'm so sorry. That fact came in from Sven Sabre, not from Mark Hoppers. Sven, I'm really sorry.

That was your fact, Sven Saber. Do you want another? Yeah. This I love. I absolutely love. It's from Lettis. And Lettis writes, the fact I would like to share with you is that the Romney Hise and Dimchurch

miniature railway in Kent claimed to have built the only armored miniature train in the world. claimed to have? Well, I think, I mean, they have. They did. It was during the war, second my war. Basically, I have, I have cycled the route of this miniature railway. Have you? Hashtag legend.

It's a great... When's the last time hashtag's been used to denote being cool? So it's a great miniature railway. It's in, it's in Kent. It's Romney Hyth and Dimchurch, is the route it goes around. Anyway, letters writes, in the summer of 1940, my newly conscripted grandfather was posted to guard the miniature railway. He said it was quite boring, as all he had to do was paint the coal white to make sure nobody was stealing it. I don't know if that's a sort of grandfatherly joke or something.

So having spent a lifetime idly wondering why Hitler would want to ride on this miniature train in particular, and why it needed to be armored, it turns out they were using it for transporting materials to the channel, because they were planning D-Day, and there was this huge thing called Operation Pluto, which is absolutely mega. It was a pipeline under the ocean, so Pluto. And it was because 60% of what was needed by weight in northern France after the invasion was going to be fuel. It's going to be oil. By volume and mass and weight, that's most of what you need. It's just to keep your military going.

So they had to lay a pipeline under the ocean incredibly rapidly and stop it being bombed. And there are all these places around the area which are like fake bungalows, which are actually pumping stations for oil. They built fake station. There was a fake garage, fake ice cream shop. And they were just pumping stations. And they're just pumping oil through the pipeline To get it from the main

Sort of British network Down to the coast and then over the channel So it's an amazing bit of history And it has this miniature train That's incredible And so this, sorry, this girl's grandfather Was guarding the miniature train That was carrying coal to the...

Oh sorry, carrying supplies for the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is amazing How small is the train? It's a key question because there are two types of miniature train And I was picturing for a long time Like in a model village That's what I've got in my head.

It's not a model railway. It's a miniature train. It's a crucial difference. I was thinking it's not very far to cycle, Andy. Let's not brag about that. It's only a metre and a half. We've got half a cup of oils on the train coming our way. No, sorry, when I say miniature railway, I could sit on it,

but probably not two of me a breast could sit on it. Do you know what I mean? It's sort of about a person and a bit wide. So what you take your kids on it, like. Exactly. Exactly that. Yeah, yeah. And a little fact for you, Dan, after the war.

it was reopened and the ribbon was cut by Laurel and Hardy. Was it really? Nice. So anyway. Two scissors? One pair of scissors? I don't know. I'm so sorry.

I've failed you, Dan. Why didn't they include that information? Anyway, lettuce. Incredible that your grandfather was part of this. That's so cool. Yeah, that's brilliant. What a connection. I have another one.

This is from Walt Mankowski. I just saw this fact tonight and it's too good not to share since Abraham Lincoln's assassination in 1865, every US president has been alive at the same time as Herbert Hoover. That is so cool. Incredible, right? But not all at the same time. Not all at the same time.

It's so important to read those last three words. Except for that vampire Obama. Because there will be a thriving community of people who think Obama's a vampire out there somewhere. Hoover was president for four years only from 1929 to 1933, but he lived until he was 90, providing plenty of time for other presidents to overlap with him. So then, Walt says, amazing bonus fact, Kamala Harris was born on October the 20th, 1964. Herbert Hoover died October 20th, 1964.

The same day. Now, the question is, did Kamala Harris get born before he died? Because if she got born after he died, then he was obviously wrong. reincarnated as Kamala Harris. Is that what you're saying? Oh, wonderful logic. Yeah, that's it.

I hadn't thought of that. That's a very good point. So that's where Walt ends his email. Great news, Mrs Harris. You've had your baby, and we're proud to report that it's been inhabited

by the soul of Herbert Hoover. You'd cry with joy. You know, you're probably crying anyway, but tears and joy it would be, wouldn't it? Absolutely. Yeah. But she, of course, didn't become president.

Well, this is exciting. It's the first time I've ever had an email where the correspondent has sent an update email saying, I found out the exact timings. Hoover died at 1135 AM ET in New York City. Harris was born at 928 p.m. P.T. Pacific Time in Oakland, California, which is three hours behind New York. So she missed him like 13 hours. And that's why she didn't become the president. That's it. That's it. Sorry? That's it. She was the only person not born in his lifetime. So that's what the Democrats need to be focusing on for the next election is just where you're alive before that date in 1964. Pete Buttigachek, I'm afraid you're out. We're going to have to go Bernie. Yeah. Because a lot of people are saying we need even older leaders in America. So I think... Imagine if he made that his main campaign platform.

You might as well. I like to anyone. Yeah. I actually, and I'm terrible. at counting. So I think these are correct. But I looked into how many prime ministers does Andy Burnham overlap with the current UK Prime Minister? How many do you think? So he's what, 50 odd? 55. How many people does he overlap with the rights? How many prime ministers? Who died in the 60s? I'm going to say 11. He was born in 1970. He was born in 1970. Yeah, I think 11's a pretty good shout because there was a period where there weren't too many.

And then we've had lots recently. If my numbers are correct, it's 17. Sorry, yeah. I forgot we'd had lots recently, yeah. 17, there was a big rush recently, wasn't there? Up that number. I was to get in the front of you. Yeah.

The first prime minister, as far as I can see, who he wasn't alive for, was Churchill. Whoa. Yeah, makes sense. Just missed him. John Major, I believe, is 21. Wow. Not years old. He overlaps with 21 prime ministers of the UK.

Huge. Mega. Yeah. So far. There might be more. There'll be more. Fingers crossed. Allie writing from Wicklow in Ireland,

miniature horses do not like bananas, but will happily eat banana skin, whereas Arabian horses will eat banana, but not the skin. What's going on there? Oh, so they're perfectly teamed? Perfect match. It's Jack Spratt and his wife.

Can I check? Minature horses. Do you mean horses that are tiny, the size of a few inches tall? Or do you mean model horses? It's a really good point. I didn't ask. And yeah, because obviously if it's the first, you'd need miniature bananas, wouldn't you?

So I'll write back. Caitlin O'Brien, I was looking up land use in the UK. Yes. Of course you are. I work in museums. This is the kind of workplace chat we have, says Caitlin. According to this article, Woking is 11% golf course, but the Lake District is only 3% lake. This means that Woking is nearly four times more golf than the Lake District is Lake.

Great. Really good. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. Is that an original calculation? No, I think it's according to this article. Okay. Yeah.

Brilliant. Pretty cool, though. It's a sign of the times, isn't it? That I can't now hear the place name Woking without thinking that it's like a verb referring to being, you know, overly obsessive about people's gender pronouns or whatever. Hmm. They should do a survey on that.

Let's see how many woke people are in Woking. That's a good idea. Yeah. If you're listening. You golf, more like. Yes. All right. Now let's move to phase two of Little Fish. Fact allocation. So if you join Clubfish, our exclusive members club, Patreon.com slash clubfish. And if you join it the highest tier, which is friend of the podcast, then you will get exclusive ownership, custodianship of one of our headline facts from the last 12 years of doing this podcast. And that'll be yours forever. So do go to patreon.com slash clubfish to check it out. Also, if you want to see the other tiers, there are extra. There are longer shows. There's all sorts of wonderful stuff there. So go and do that now. Right. Let's have some fact allocations. Who's up first?

I've got one here. This is now under the custodianship of Jack O'Connor. And it is that TV star David Frost used to host live shows eight nights a week. Brilliant. I love this fact so much. And he was on TV nonstop, multiple programs, but the reason he was able to be on TV eight nights a week is because he used to do four nights, I think it was, in the UK. And at the end of the show, he would get on Concord and on the very same night do a show in America on TV

and then played out for the rest of the week. So he was working seven nights a week, but he managed to fit eight nights in as a result. It's brilliant. You can't do that anymore because we don't have Concord. and so that's not possible. So this is a sort of a fact locked in time. You could do it, but I think you'd have to be like next to Samoa or something.

You'd have to be on one side and then the other side of the international day line, wouldn't you? In like Hawaii and then... Good news. We've booked you for Graham Norton's show. Unfortunately, it's his eighth evening recording in Samoa. If you could fund the travel there. Yeah, it's a great fact. That was also, I was looking back through that episode when I saw this fact. And it's where we mentioned people I haven't thought about since.

Rebozo and Amplenalp. Do you remember those guys? The pranksters who were Richard Nixon's close friends and who were constantly getting into scrapes. Yes, they delivered him a prostitute in a suitcase, if I remember rightly, another sponsor. Classic Anastrican. Was she alive?

She was alive, guys. In a suitcase. She was alive. What a carpet? I think it was in a suitcase. Oh my God, those two characters. You might as well have just mentioned two of my best friends from school that I just somehow forgot about and they walked in the room.

I'm feeling so much joy right now. Yeah, me too. I'm going to go back and listen to that. Mabozo and Aplenalp. Anyway, here's another fact for another new owner and this is a fact for Niels Lindholt and this is that the original

chill pill was a pill you took when you had a chill. Brilliant. Simple but effective. Old school medicines. Yes. Which all worked, definitely. Should we have another one here? Yeah.

This one goes out. to Al, who I think is Alice, I don't want to presume, from your email address. But the fact is, tomorrow will be the longest day of your life. And this is specifically tailored to you, Al, or Alice. This is going to be a really rough day, I'm afraid. This is actually such a grim thing to suggest you frame up on your wall. I know, next to you live, love, laugh. It's because the Earth's days are getting longer all the time,

because Earth is gradually slowing down. Does that make it more cheerful? No, not really. You won't notice it. You don't need to reset your alarm or anything. It's fine. No. It's by a fraction of a fraction of a second.

So cheer up. I read recently, I happened to read an article about this, about, you know, there's huge time committees talking about the leap seconds, so it's why we have leap seconds added every few years. And they're at the moment thinking that we might stop having leap seconds and instead we'll have a leap hour

every few hundred years. Whoa. That's cool. It's a kind of exciting thing. Yeah, really exciting. Yeah, yeah. When would we be due, our first leap hour? I think, like, way after we've all died.

Really? Yeah. Shame to miss it. Yeah, I know, but maybe you're great-grandchildren. We'll get that. All right, let's get to another fact. This goes out to Michael Smith. Your fact now is in 1457, men with mustaches were banned from Dublin.

Wow. Whereas now, I'm sure they're not. No? Don't risk it. Tom Selleck, if you're planning a trip. No, I think comfortably you can wear a mustache now in Dublin. You can. This was because a mustache was a sign of being Irish, basically, back in the day.

And Irish people weren't allowed in Dublin when the English had control over it. And so it's just a way of saying, if you're English and you've got mustache, shave it off. Otherwise, I'll think you're Irish. And it's all to do with the pale, isn't it? Yes. Which you can be beyond, beyond the pale. Now, the line between English owned and Irish owned. That's right.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Great fact. Very good. So yours, Michael. Here's one. This is for Tamara Morgan.

And this is that diplodocuses could break the sound barrier. Nature's whip. I think that's what they would do. They would whip their diplodocusy tail and it would create such a snapback that you would get a little sonic boom and you would break the sound barrier. So cool. Must be right. Like Concord. Yes.

Yes. But are we just, you know, do we think there's nothing going on there? Are we saying nothing? What do we say? They were the concord of their day. They were. People used to ride on their tails. The ancient David Frost could do eight shows a week.

Yeah, that's a lovely fact. Really cool. And you'd be able to do, did you ever do that towel whipping trip? Yes. Imagine what a good one dip the docuses could do. Not me. They could really whip the shit out of your thigh. No, never did that.

You never whipped anyone's thigh with a towel and made it bleed. No, no, no. I've been towel-wipped. Don't get me wrong. Of course. I've been on the one end or another of a towel whipping. It doesn't matter. I don't think I ever have.

No, I haven't. It's the sort of thing that I think you get an American locker room, but not in British ones. In British schools, you're too busy. It's just stamping on each other's nuts and things. Fanny about with towel snapping. Yeah, yeah. An insight into your childhood, though. Good days.

Let's have another fact. This one goes out to Jamie Minter. Jamie, your fact forever now is that more and more scientists are describing their findings as astounding. Which I think was about ego in science, wasn't it? and you were having to sex up your results basically and say, this is absolutely astounding, you know, whereas it might have been a completely normal study that just proved something that you thought before anyway.

They're getting emotional is the thing. Remove emotion from your findings. Salvatuary warning. All right, let me give another fact out to Sam Elam. Even though we're not sure it exists, the new planet, planet nine, is the most planet-y planet of all the planets. Great fact.

Great fact. I don't know what it means. Was this one of yours, Dan? It was. It was. Do you know what? I believe I was given this by James. We were talking one day and he said this and I said, I need to take that to the show. That makes sense because I looked it up in the archive and you said it as the headline,

but then the explanation was next to the initials, J.H. So I think you said it was a headline and then he said, and James, my assistant will explain to you to you. Well, so sometimes a team needs two people, one to kick the header and one. to let it in the net, you know? Absolutely. In this case, James was getting us a goal, but could he do it if there was no ball heading towards his head?

Wait, so are you the ball? That sounds like you're the ball. It certainly feels like I'm the ball in this show sometimes. Should we have one last one? Yeah. Let's have one last one, and this one goes out to William Lamb. The first use of the word Snowmageddon came in the same press release

as the first apology for the word Snowmagedon. Beautiful. This was the Canadian government. Was it? Yes, they said, sorry about the word Snowmageddon, obviously it's very important. In the press release about it, which was in 2008. I don't know if Snowmageddon is still much in use in Canada.

I haven't seen it, but I'm not Canadian, so I don't know. Yeah, Snowmageddon, do you use it? Podcast at QI.com, which is the email address to write to. But we don't have time now to get into it because we have to thank all of our new fact custodians. And that is William, Sam, Jamie, Jamie, Tamara, Michael, Al, Nils and Jack. Thank you so much to all of you for joining and becoming friends of the podcast on Clubfish. If you would like to join at any tier, it makes a massive difference to us and it really helps support the show. And you get a load of extra wonderful fish stuff yourself.

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