No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As A Fully Carpeted Country

Episode Date: June 14, 2018

Dan, James, Anna, Andy and special guest Alan Davies discuss the street value of football sticker albums, anti-diving shin pads and instructional chat-up pamphlets for Argentinian footballers.

Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast this week coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber and I'm sitting here with Anna Chazinski, Andrew Hunter Murray, James Harkin and special guest, Alan Davies. And once again, we've gathered around the microphone with our four favorite facts this time about the World Cup. And in no particular order, here we go. Starting with you, Alan. Austria qualified for the 1938 World Cup. but then had to withdraw because it stopped existing as a country. It's a good excuse.

That's a good excuse. And it was the 30s. There was a lot of that kind of philosophy. They've made an existential crisis in the camp. They're not sure they exist. And on that basis, they've withdrawn. Also, they have been annexed by Germany. It's a tiny thing.

The Anschluss, not a big deal, guys, but we won't be there. Yeah, so that's Germany claimed Austria, right? Yeah, but they had qualify. You had to qualify in that year in 38, quite a lot of teams entered. So they've gone to a lot of trouble, only to be annexed in the preamble to the tournament. Yeah.

And they were very good, weren't they, in that they were then sort of, the German team and the Austrian team then came together. So they still eventually played a lot of the players. Some of the players, some of the players went a bit more Van Trapp about it. Did they? I just would not have it.

Oh, really? Yeah. And actually, the players who played didn't get on with Germans and they all fell out and they ended up losing quite early, didn't they? Did they? Yes, yeah. Do you not happen to the trophy during the Second World War? No.

Probably melted down, I presume. It was under someone's bed. Was it? Yeah, it was in a shoebox under an Italian official's bed? Really? Yeah, because I think did Italy win, so 1938 when it happened elsewhere, didn't it happen in France? Yeah.

So France took it after Austria, stopped being a thing. Yeah. And then I think Italy won, and so an Italian official just looked after it. Italy won in 34. The suspicion was that Mussolini chose all the referees for their matches. And in 34, Austria came forth behind Germany. So presumably they hope the combined might of Austria and Germany. Uruguay, who had staged a tournament in 1930 and won it,

then sulked and didn't come. Yeah. Because none of the European teams went to Uruguay. Only four of them turned up. It's such a straw. It's so immature. But you didn't come to my party. I'm not going to your part.

And when they did come back, they won it again. Do you know what happened when Austria did rip out in 1938? So obviously that left a gap. And the runners up were Latvia, who should have replaced Austria then in the tournament. And the FIFA were just like, no, we'll just do without. It's fine. And they just gave Sweden a buy through the rounds.

Instead of letting Latvia play at all, they just decided not good enough. I'm beginning to think these FIFA guys are not completely fair and honest. I'm sorry for that. Did they not offer for a very much? Do they not offer for England to take part? Oh, maybe they did.

Yeah, England refused. England refused on the grounds at the home international tournament between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland was of a higher standard and a more significant event. Not even making that up. We have our own international tournament. This wouldn't even go. It takes place entirely within our nation.

On our little island where everything's better. And this Austrian team, they were so good. They were kind of beating everyone at the time. Not England. They came over to England and lost, but they were beating everyone else by quite a lot. And they had a new system that no one else used, and it was a 2-3-5 system.

So two defenders, three in midfield and five strikers. Which has long been claimed to have been invented by Herbert Chapman at Arsenal. Is that right? England didn't go into the World Cup. Arsenal played Italy at Highbury. I say Arsenal. It was England, but they had seven Arsenal players in. And won the game three, two.

Would you say that the current England team is basically Tottenham? Basically, yeah, so we're doomed. The one of the game three, it became known as the Battle of Highbury. Oh, really? And it was decided by Arsenal supporters at the time, that therefore we were officially the world champions. That had been beaten Italy on our ground. And that was with a 5-3-2.

Yeah, it was a revolutionary system. As any team ever played... All up front? 1-10. 1-10. It's worth a try, right? So 1938 FIFA World Cup, the draw was selected by Jules Rimmett, who was the founder of the World Cup. Or Jules Rameh.

It's actually interesting fact, it's Rimmett. You Rimmett. Rimmett got his grandson to do the draw from a bowl. It was his grandson on top of a table, pick them out, and that's how the 1930... Now, the draw nowadays can be seen from space, and more technology is used in it than was used on the... moon landing. Oh, come on. Is that made up?

There's just two things you say about almost every single fact we ever have. And it's also, it's bigger than a blue whale. It does sound like a QI script. Just get out of your mouth there. They did reveal the logo, though, for this World Cup up in the International Space Station. So it was the Russian cosmonauts who... And this year's match ball has been to space. So it just came back down, in fact.

It was made in Pakistan, sent up to the ISS. So no one kicked it up, did they? Yeah. Oh, sorry. They kicked it while it was up. Right. Did they who fit into the rocket as the rocket was just leaving? That would be a good trip.

Only Beckham could do this. When I checked something with you, so you've said the match ball. Now, that to me gives the impression there's only one ball for the whole World Cup. And I know that can't be true, obviously. I think this is the main, what would you call it, the signature ball. Yeah, the one they'll probably use in the first game in the final, I guess. But they'll have lots of bowls in every game. That's a good call though.

They'd probably be like, we really need to wrap up these penalties with England and Brazil. The Italian-German match needs to happen now. I've got a fact about the 1930 World Cup. Okay. The original. The original, yeah. Uruguayans say that, don't they? So it was in Uruguay, and it was not a very advanced World Cup.

So, for example, there was a match between Brazil and Bolivia where everyone was wearing white. It was obviously very confusing. Were they just cricketers who got on the wrong pitch? But there was one way of telling Which is that half the Bolivians were wearing berets as well If you kicked it to a guy wearing a beret There was a one in two chance he was on your team That's really good

No, if you kicked it to a guy wearing a beret There was a hundred percent chance he was on your team If you were Bolivian It's just that it was one in three chance I guess if you kicked it to a guy without wearing a berry This is a sort of pedantry I came here for Basically so I knew this went on I can tell you what a privilege is to be in the inner sanctum

They do actually say things like that to each other. No, you're right. You're going to get home and go, they do it. They actually pulled him up on it. We were talking about, so, England in the World Cup, and British teams in the World Cup have a good history. So Scotland basically got in, but didn't quite, in 1950. So in 1950, it was so weird.

FIFA really wanted British teams to be playing in the World Cup because they were still being really snooty with this whole Britain's better thing. And so they said that if they played their home championship, the winner and the runner-up could play in the World Cup would both qualify. And Scotland said, that's insulting. If we win, we'll play in it.

If we're runner-up, we refuse. And so they played their games, and they both smashed Wales and Northern Ireland. And then England beat Scotland, and Scotland ran back to FIFA and said, please, we didn't mean it. Please. And FIFA didn't.

They were like, I'm really sorry, you gave us your word. you said it was only if you won it. Wow. And that was the end of Scotland in the World Cup. Have they never won it since then? They've never won it. You can't win it if you don't qualify, is he? Right, got it. They used to qualify. I mean, my school days, it was always Scotland and

and not England in the 70s. They used to be on a level pegging actually, didn't they? Yeah, England had a policy of refusing to pick their best players on the grounds that they had long hair. And I'm not even making them. It's that people like Stan Bowles and Rodney Marsh who had long. Haar and Frank Worthington, who were all the most skillful players in the First Division,

because they didn't have a shortback inside and play cards. They would pick people who looked like they were in the army because most of the managers had been. They also would not pick Maverick managers who were clever and inventive. Like Gareth Southgate. Yeah, he's in the tradition of the English manager. Looks good in a blazer. I've never seen Andy look so confused that all the references being made. I'd not know what's going on because we all said that.

Good news, though. you've got quite short hair. Oh, great. Well, I imagine I'll make it end, right? In the 70s, everything changed in the fashion front, so people started growing their hair long, and England failed to qualify in 1974 and 978, and I'm convinced it's because all the best players had long hair

and the older men were offended. And then, in the world covered in 1978, the leading scorer had really a load of hair and beard. And I think he had his ear pierced, and his name was Mario. And he gave the line. and his partner in crime, his fellow centre forward, had a headband.

I mean, they absolutely gave the light to shortback and size being essential for winning football matches. Okay, that's our excuse, that's our excuse in the 70s. What about the 80s and 90s? No, well, then we started, we've got loads of people in the long. We even have people with mullets. And we got to the semi-final.

That's true. And in fact, it was one of the mullets, Chris Wadler, who blasted his penalty over the bar, but we forgive him. I'm just thinking about the current squad. There's not much long hair there, is there? So... No, times have changed.

Yeah. What matters now are tattoos. How many arm sleeves have you got and how many piercings? Do they want more or less? Yeah, more. More. I mean, Lionel Messi, who's the best player that's ever played football, has had one of his legs from the knee down entirely blacked out.

Wow. Yeah. So they can't see it on the field. Yeah. In night matches, it just looks like there's a floating boot going around with him. As if he's not good enough as it is, this boot is now detached from his body. Doesn't Messi have really dodgy legs or something?

he had polio or something as a child. Really? He was on... And he took tons of drugs. He had to have lots and lots of... Yeah, hormones for growth. Growth hormones. And some people think that's a little bit naughty. Well, I'm not sure about that. When he came from Argentina

when he was about 11 or 12, there's this kind of mercurial prodigy, and he went to Barcelona and they said he's brilliant, they're too small. And then one of the coaches saw him and said, no, he really is brilliant. What are we going to do about him? And they did that, he had him on growth hormones. until he was about 13.

But he's still only 5'7. Yeah, it's not like... He's not like Michael Jordan. You actually think he's that small because half his legs are blacked up. Yeah, you can't see his legs, and that's one of the major... Okay, it is time for fact number two,

and that is Chisinski. My fact is that this year, Argentina's Football Association gave its players a World Cup manual with a chapter on how to pick up Russian women. So this is a... It was a book that was given. given out to journalists and to players and to coaches in Argentina.

And it was like a course about how to adapt to Russian culture. And there was an entire chapter that was titled How to Stand a Chance with a Russian Girl. And it included advice like make sure you're clean, smell good and dress well. Because apparently Argentinian men love like filthy smelling women. Can I just say as someone married to a Russian? I'm not sure they're bothered about cleanliness. Dressing well.

Well, all they bothered about this, James? The booklet also said, Russian girls hate boring men. Never ask trite questions, be original. I'm wondering if my wife actually is Russian. It also said that they don't like to be seen as objects, which is singular to Russian women, but it apparently is true of them.

Well, there you go. But yeah, this was in their booklet. And then apparently Argentina got word of it from some of the journalists and went and ripped all the pages out of this booklet and said, oh God, that wasn't meant to be in there. Sorry, it was a mistake, mistakenly included. And it's no longer there. I found a bit of...

So there's a problem that Moscow's parliament have been telling people to be smart for the World Cup. Okay. This is travellers, I think. I think it's fans arriving, and there are on-the-spot fines in Moscow if you don't adhere to these rules. And it's 500 rubles, which is the maximum,

which is about 6 quid. Yeah, it's not much. So you can actually... Oh, that's great. No jeans, no trainers. Yeah, it's like a big nightclub. Your name's not down. You're not coming in.

That definitely is one. They've had that down for years. If your name's not down, you're not getting out. But it's with visas this time, obviously when you go into a country like Russia, you need a visa, but fans won't need a visa. They have a fan visa, which is automatically given to them if they can show they have a ticket. Yeah. That's quite cool. You don't have to prove interest or knowledge in football.

Just need a ticket. Yeah, just need a ticket. But, Andy, you wouldn't enjoy it. There's no point in applying. I don't have a ticket either. The amount of information you have to give on the official ticket website to get a ticket. Oh, really? Is he makes Mark Zuckerberg

With absolutely When you virtually have to give your parents detail What are the more sort of stuff Oh everyone Certainly your passable information Yeah probably every country you've been to Like everything Who you vote for on Love Island

You have to believe Well Andy Andy we've suddenly hit an interest point for you here In the podcast We're not here to discuss that People aren't tense about this one right Didn't the head of About this Love Island

I know I am Yeah Kendall was robbed. I saw Kendall this morning in the flesh. Did she? At this morning studios. She is very, very small. And one of her legs is completely invisible.

Never been seen in the same room as Leonel Messi. Fascinating. She should go out just before on the dawn of the tournament. The greatest conspiracy theory yet heard on their show. Kendall Massey. That's a claim. No, the head of football policing in the UK has warned the Brits basically not to be too agro, haven't they in Russia?

So they said, don't wave St. George's flags around. Don't drink. Don't drink. There's a security expert, a man who calls himself a security expert. He's a director of the University of Buckingham's Centre for Security Intelligence. He's called Anthony Glees. But he did an interview with the Express. So I wonder how reliable he is.

But he warned. Well, after he's been through the prism of the Express, anything could happen. And when did he say the world's going to end? And where is Princess Duncan? He seriously said that English footballers need to look out for Russian women who are actually spies disguised as women trying to seduce them because he said if there's one way to scupper England's chances even more

it'll be through honey traps by leading the players on with gorgeous Russian girls. That's that right? I've heard the English team are going for a 10-0-0 formation this World Cup. That's a good point. I don't know how you jeopardise and maybe you give them an STD or something that... Oh, cripples them for the...

Yeah. Well, apparently Paraguayan prostitutes tried to seduce Venezuelan players in the qualifiers of this World Cup. And... Yeah. To what... Well, it was weird because actually neither team

could qualify at that point. But apparently a load of prostitutes made it into their hotel lobby and they claimed that they were trying to seduce them. But to sort of... To tie them out before the big. I suppose that might happen.

Because it sounds like they were just prostitutes doing their job and these were just men who wanted to shake prostitutes. It does sound like that. This is in a way trip that all the Paraguayan squad were available for. Who wants to go to Venezuela for the dead rubber? Me, me, me, me. The dead rubber, is that a prostitution phrase? It may also be, but in this context.

That's what gets thrown out the window. But isn't it true that? But actually people think that you shouldn't have sex before football matches, right? Well, I've heard, not footballers. Footballers don't think that. No, but sometimes manage it. People in charge of them think it to all about. I've heard it doesn't really affect your performance, actually.

No, I don't think so. There's a football health coach called Nick Littlehales, who's Christiana Ronaldo sleep coach as well as a bunch of other people's sleep coach. Sorry, Christiana Ronaldo's sleep coach. Yeah. Got to sleep! Actually, it was not a tactic that worked. but he says it's crap

that athletes shouldn't have sex before big games but he just says they do need to sleep solo so what he says is I guess they should have sex but then their partners need to get up and go and sleep in a separate room like in kind of Tudor times that's the idea and he introduced sleeping pods so Cristiano Ronaldo at his

Real Madrid at the moment isn't he? Real Madrid has sleeping pods and every player has their own sleeping pods I imagine them all in orbit somehow Yeah. It's been brought in back into the atmosphere

for the match. And then launched back into orbit. Yeah, that big dry ice. Then they get woken up. Where am I? What do you have said? We've woken up too early. Let's wake up Jennifer Lawrence.

She's not here. Well, that paraguyan prostitutes will do. Where the paragurop prostitute pods? Okay, it's time for fact number three, and that is James. My fact this week is that scientists have invented anti-diving shin pads. Do these sense psychologically that you're about to dive, and they hold your body up on the pit. In mid-air.

And the broadcast saying, I'm fine, it didn't touch me. Well, what it is? I mean, they're completely useless. Like, they're just stupid. But they do exist. There's a sensor in your... boot, there's a sensor in the shin pad, and when they touch each other, the referee has an alarm which will go off so he knows that there's been contact. Unfortunately, the problem is that you

can foul someone by pushing them in the back or whatever, so it doesn't, like, it's completely pointless. So they need to invent anti-diving body suits? Yeah, it's like the same technologies you have in fencing, I guess, when you know that someone's been hit in fencing. There's a new version which makes your shin pads light up when you get kicked. Kids would love light up shim pads. Yeah. But they'd be constantly. kicking each other. Just for them to like that. Kick me, kick me.

Kick yourself in, penalty. They almost brought this in for the Kniefa World Cup, which has just happened, which is the World Cup for countries that aren't really countries, which is sponsored by Paddy Power,

and Paddy Power wanted to bring in some weird-ass rules, you know, that were different than normal rules. And they brought in one thing, which was a green card, which means if you get sent off for abusing the referee...

You can work in America. It's very tense. Even now, the current state of the United States. North Koreans offending. A lot of Mexicans. What happens if you get sent off? For the green card, you get sent off, but they're allowed to bring on a substitute.

So they don't punish the team, they punish the player. So they did that in this World Cup. And you actually went, didn't you? To the final and to one of the other games, yeah. Who did you see play? I saw Northern Cyprus against Abkhazia in the first game, and then Northern Cyprus against who was it?

Carpetalia. I can't believe Abkhazia lost northern Cyprus. I know because I was supporting Abkhazia actually so I was quite disappointed. It's a breakaway area of Georgia. Does it know who's one? Does it finish at the same time as the World War II? No, it finished.

I went to the final last weekend and it was won by Carpitalia, which is a part of Ukraine where Hungarians live. Okay. Oh, it's not a carpet warehouse. Because it really sounds like one. Run by Italians. I'd like to see their television ads.

Sort of ones where the owner does it himself. Come to Carpetalia. Soon we will be our own country. Fully carpeted. The only carpeted nation on earth. Lilder wall and another wall. I'd be wall-to-wall carpets. Water wall.

So on weird football rules I was looking into Do you know the referee can send himself off? He needs a wee Give himself a card He doesn't card and say yellow card That can happen, can it? It can happen, it has happened

Not in big football games But for instance In 2005, Peterborough North End was playing Royal Mail AYL This was a lower A lower league's match. And the referee, Andy Wayne, got really angry.

So someone disagreed with his decision. A player disagreed with his decision. And he flung away his whistle and he untucked his shirt. And he ran up and eyeballed the player. And then immediately he saw the error of his ways. And he gave himself a red card and sent himself off. Wow. And there was no one to replace him.

So the match had to be called off. Oh. Yeah. And then he waited in the car park for him. Oh. Wow. But they can also send off linesmen, which I didn't know. So this has sometimes happens.

They've got so much power. They've got more power than they should have. So last year there was Dundee beat Kulmanuk. So this was an actual match with teams that... Well, it's in Scotland. It's in Scotland, but it's still real football. As are many of your listeners. Oh my God.

So naive. When I two are Scotland, of course, they're the best shows I have. Better than Wales, Alan. God, don't say that. What are my field? So in Scotland, whom we love, all of you, in this match, the Rev sent off the assistant referee and gave him a red card because he was vomiting

by the side of the pitch. That's a bit harsh. That's a bit harsh. Yeah, I think it seems unfair. You can't be sent off for vomiting. Who was it vomited before a penalty in the world? Is it Dan? Yeah.

That was on the Euros. That was against England. It depends on whether it's delusionion. deliberate and malicious vomiting. If you do it in the face of the goalkeeper just before a penalty. He just did it on the pitch. He put his hands on his knee. I was at that match.

He put his hands on his knees. We thought, oh, what's he doing? Wow. And then he suddenly looked up, ran up, smashed it in the net. And on the television replay, you can see when he had his hands on his knees, he was vomiting on the pitch. God. Garred Inicus said he once did a poo on the pitch.

Oh, yeah. I thought it was video of this. Is there not? There must be. There must be. There must be a poo cam. There must be a poo cam. There's video of him kind of dragging his bum on the grass

like a dog, like a dirty dog, like a stapage of all terrier. And then people tweet him all the time just saying, just reminding him. You pooed at the pig. But he never got a yellow card in his whole career. He probably scored a guy as well. No, he never did. Can I interrupt with just a tiny bit of personal news? We're recording this on Anna's computer and there's a alarm that's come up.

That is to tell her she needs to get Lou Roll and olive oil in 25 minutes. Well, the thing is, Anna always shits herself in the middle of a podcast. Luzol and Olive Or. That's what every paragraph prostitute takes to the World Cup. Wow. Not extra virgin. So the penalty was invented by an Irish guy called William McCrum.

And no one liked it at first because they thought, how on earth would anyone be so low as to deliberately commit a foul? This was a long time ago. Yeah. And they called it the Irishman's motion. But they Gary Lineker In honor of that

Performed an Irishman's motion Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show and that is Andy My fact is that in April police in Lima seized over 20,000 counterfeit Panini football sticker albums with a street value of

$350,000 Wow That's amazing Yeah, and this keeps happening It happens all the time because they're really... Only every four years. Yeah, it's true. But the police in Italy have seized another 20,000 stickers

and they said this could be the tip of the iceberg. Every World Cup it happens because they're quite, you know, valuable things. I mean, the full ones are really valuable. But the empty ones, I guess, are valuable too, because you can flog them. Well, I went on eBay just to see what the highest... You're put in Panini sticker, and there were empty albums from previous World Cups.

The highest value is sort of five. thousand pounds sometimes from for an empty book well the empty ones if if you can sell on eBay an empty book with all the stickers in it then that's the best you can get because then people get it and they get the enjoyment of putting the stickers in I understand that yeah yeah yeah that's worth thousands of money to people like me yeah and you do it don't you you you've in previous world cups called out on Twitter to say can we swap pinini stickers well let's not put this on the podcast no no I do yeah I do do stick out you You live in North London, don't you?

In Finnsbury Park, and you love people to approach you with football stickers. Did you always do Panini? Because they weren't... We did a different one when we were kids. Merlin, yeah. I did Merlin when they did the Beano stickers. Yeah, exactly. But then Virginia came back in, didn't it?

Panini, yeah, recently has become huge. Yeah. Well, huge. In my household. Your address, just to be clear. Do you not do stickers, Alan, though? Not for a while. No, my little boy now is keen.

In fact, you've found some at the bottom of a well-known breakfast cereal recently. Oh, yeah. And I thought, this is going to cost me about a grand. Yeah, that's pretty much. It will. It costs you £773, 60 to fill a book. Yep. Is that if you get every single sticker first time? That's if you keep buying.

It's a mathematics professor has worked out that if you just keep buying and you don't do any swaps with anyone. It's if you have no friends. On average to have to complete the album. But apparently, if you do. have friends it can be cheaper it can be cheaper yeah and also you can buy stickers direct from pinini yeah your last 50 you can buy yeah but they've failed then haven't you have you have you i think if you're just calling them up saying please can i have markers rash but i've bought 5 000 packet well that's what happened music magpie decided to test it out and they bought

5 000 stickers worth 800 pounds and they only found 681 out of the 682 stickers So they were one shot. They didn't have Radja Nangolan And he isn't even going Yeah, he's not even going to the World Cup Is he not? No. I think he didn't get picked But yeah

Yeah, I remember that in 1990 David Roecastle of Arsenal Had a coin made He played, he played He started in every qualifying match At England played He had a coin made in the ESO World Cup Coin collection

And then when they picked the squad They didn't pick him Oh my God Hang on but he He felt so, so, so so hurtful. But I mean, I've got a coin. Never mind playing every qualifier. You were thinking he had his own coin made out of vanity.

He didn't have his own mate. He didn't mint a coin himself. There was a really cool idea, and James, I reckon you would like this. There was a news agent in the 2016 Euro, so Panini did for the Euro 2016. They did a shop where basically people could meet up just to swap the Panini stickers. Again, I'm not interested in meeting up with people to do sobs. This fact is about Lima, Peru.

So they qualified. They're about football stuff. Sorry, they were in the fact. Yeah, so they qualified, right? Peru, yes. Yeah, Peru qualified. But in Lima, where the match was against New Zealand, it's where they had a two-nale victory that got them in,

there was an app which is designed to warn people of an impending natural disaster, so earthquakes mainly. And that app went off when the, when Lima was celebrating because there was so much activity going on that an earthquake warning went out to everyone with that app. How cool is that?

They were so excited. So much geological activity? Yeah, there was so many people just jumping around. Which happens a lot in football stadiums, doesn't it? In America. So an American football stadium can register a very tiny earthquake to anything that's sensitive towards it

and in Lima they had that this year. And there was once a madness festival in Finnsbury Park that's set off an earthquake thing as well. Really? Yeah. You live in Finnsbury Park. Jesus, I was bizarrely looking into sponsorship that appears on jerseys. So my favorite one is Athletico Madrid, who the sponsorship for their team in 2003 was a deal with Columbia Pictures.

So the sponsorship kept changing according to what movie they were pushing it at that time. So movies that appeared on their jerseys included white chicks, spanglish, and Anaconda's The Hunt for the Blood Orchid. Okay, that's it. That is all of our facts. Thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to get in contact with any of us about the things that we have said over the course of this podcast, we can be found on our Twitter accounts. I'm on at Shreiberland. Andy? At Andrew Hunter, James. James Harkin. And Alan. That's usually Chisinski's role. And Anna. You can email podcast.uI.com. Or you can go to our Facebook group or our website, no such thing as a fish.com. We have all of our previous episodes up there. We will be back again next week. Thanks so much for listening. Goodbye.