No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As A Rubik's Tube

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

Dan, James, Andrew and Lucy Porter discuss cube lube, pajama drama, a leech's home and the Cuckoo's Nest. Visit nosuchthingasafish.com for news about live shows, merchandise and more episodes. Join Club Fish for ad-free episodes and exclusive bonus content at nosuchthingasafish.com/apple or nosuchthingasafish.com/patreon

Hi everyone, welcome to this week's episode of No Such Thing as a Fish. We have another very special guest for you today. And that guest is our very good friend, Lucy Porter. You will remember Lucy from previous episodes on Fish. I know you'll love her. She's so smart. She's so funny. In fact, she's got a stand-up show that is touring at this very moment,

which is called Wake Up Call. And really, I'll be honest, the best way to find out about that is to Google Lucy Porter, wake-up call. And you'll find all the dates. but she's doing the whole of the UK. It's definitely a show that's worth going to see. She also has a podcast called Fingers on Buzzers. It's all about quizzing,

and she does that with my very good old friend, Jenny Ryan. It's a brilliant podcast, so listen to that. And she has a Radio 4 stand-up special called Lucy Porter's Lucky Dip, which is going out at 1130 on March the 15th. It'll probably be on the BBC Sounds app after that. So again, Google Lucy Potter's Lucky Dip, and you'll find that.

And apart from that, just enjoy the show. So nothing more to say, apart from On With the Podcast. On with the show. Oh, hi, Andy. I've been here the whole time. Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a Weekly podcast, coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Shriver.

I am sitting here with Andrew Hunter Murray, James Harkin, and Lucy Porter. And once again, we have gathered round the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. no particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, and that is my fact. My fact this week is that it took the creator of the Rubik's Cube a month to solve it the first time he tried. That is mad. A month of really trying as well. It's so crazy. I would have thought after about 20 or 30 days, you would just make a new one if you'd invented it. Well, this doesn't work. So yeah, invented 1974. He was a professor, and he just had this idea. What if I could make something that was static on the inside but fluid on the outside and that's what gave him the idea and

He had a bash at it. It's later been worked out quite a famous number if you know Rubik's cubes that 43 quintillion is the number of permutations that you can make on the Rubik's cube and So luckily he got there within a month. Yeah, it's pretty good. Well, tell you what's weird his prototype Wasn't three by three his prototype was two by two So I've got that took him a month that's the that's the thing Well, I'm curious to know if this is the one that took him a month because this is... Okay, so Dan's showing us an image, and it's like four wooden blocks that have got various colors and numbers on it, and they're held together almost by bits of wire? Yeah, there's a wire meshing inside, and he took a month to do a Rubik's cube.

It must be the three by three. It must be the three by three. That one's piss easy. Yeah, exactly. If you're clever enough to make that, you're clever enough to solve it. Yes. You can do a Rubik's cube, James. I can.

I think you can Lucy Well I My children are obsessed with them We've got hundreds in the house And all those weird ones You know there's like weird Different shaped ones And mirror ones where there's absolutely no

Colours on it and stuff So this is a long way of me saying I should be And I have at one point been Wait a second Because James you know I don't want to do one either Because that one's tough

Because it's got like Dan's mixing up one from the Transport Museum I'd rather do the one with the colours James you do the one with The other thing is about the Rubik's Cube is that I find that when you're under pressure, it's almost impossible. Yes. Because you do it kind of with muscle memory.

Yes, yes. And then as soon as you start thinking about it, you can't really do it at all. Yeah, I made a terrible decision when, because I did learn to do it when my kids got into it. And then I decided we were doing a live podcast recording of fingers on buzzers. And I said, oh, I'll tell you what will be fun. I'll solve a Rubik's Cube while we do this round. And it took about 15 minutes. Is there an algorithm, basically?

It's like a set pattern of moves that will help you work on the side you're working on. But layers, that's the key. Yeah, exactly. It's layers not side. So you can see at the moment that I've done the bottom layer. Right. Or the top layer. Right, right, right.

And then you do the middle one, then you do the top one. I remember when we went on the Only Connect, Andy, and they asked you for facts about yourself. And my fact was that I could do a Rubik's cube in less than a minute. And the team that we were playing with, apparently one of them said that he could do three Rubik's cubes in 30 seconds. They decided they weren't going to use that fact. Made you look pretty foolish.

But it's huge. The speed cubing, because we had to get a timer so that we could record my kids' times. And also, my kids said, oh, can we have some cube lobe? And that's a moment that I was like, I'm sorry. As a mother, you've got to worry. Could we have some cube lobe? Is there a brand?

Is it a specifically sold lube? There is one of the best cube loop. We didn't get a good cube lobe. So it's called cube loob? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got dodgy cube loob. And it's allowed as well. It's allowed in competition.

It's like chalk on your hands if you're an athlete. Yes. Well, there's just a piece about the, you know, there are so many cubes. The world. There we go. For listeners, James had just completed the rubies. That's why I've been silent for the last three minutes. But by the time I've edited this, it'll be about 20 seconds.

But the, and it just listed the GAN 356 I carry. The MoU RS3M Maglev, the GAN 11M Pro. And it's all, there's a kind of FIFA of cubing. Yeah. The World Cube Association. They're corrupt. They're hugely corrupt. Millions and millions of dollars change hands.

So, 1981, the top-selling book in America was a book that was called The Simple Solution to Rubik's Cube. Sold 6 million copies, and it was the number one book of the year. It was massive. Guy called James G. Norse. He was a professor. He did it as a pamphlet for his university, and then someone saw it, said, can you expand that into a like 64-page book?

It wasn't that big. It was double the expansion of the pamphlet. And so he published it. And in it, he gives categories of what you're labeled as as a cuber if you managed to do it within certain times. So this is 1981. 20 minutes, if you did it in that time, you were a whiz. 10 minutes, you were a speed demon. Five minutes, you were an expert.

And three minutes, you were an MC, the master of the cube. Oh, that's why I am then. Yeah, you're a master of the cube. Well, in the 80s, you were in the 80s. Let's not. It's actually been updated. So you're now adult. unfortunately.

Well, you, James, if you take longer than 60 seconds, I do. I take probably about a minute and a half. Okay, I'm afraid you don't even qualify as a whiz at this point. Whereas a whiz was 20 minutes, it's now 60 seconds. A speed demon has gone from 10 minutes to 40 seconds. Oh my God. A expert has gone from five minutes to 15 to 25 seconds, and the Master of the Cube, which is now called World Champion,

from three minutes to three to five seconds. That's amazing. The difference, isn't it? I can't even pick it up within three seconds. my old arthritic fingers but I because I remember you know I remember the original craze in the 80s I'm old enough for that and it was

but it was one of those things that boys would learn to do and this is a terrible sexist generalisation but it did tend to be boys would learn to do it thinking it will really impress the girls and all girls just went me I found that I've never ever impressed a girl with a Rubik's Cube

I impressed the QI's accountant once with a few Rubik's tricks but he wasn't my type I did because I brought mine in today So I did sit on the tube Doing it and you people don't look at you with admiration I'll be honest It's pity

There's no honey honey we'll just have to get up at the next door Is she going to do it The craze Just is unbelievable the 80s craze So it was the UK toy of the year in 1980 And then again in 1981 As if they just thought I've got to give it to the cube again

Yeah Nothing better So, Dan, you were mentioning the books that sold unrightly well. So at one point in 1982, I think it was four or five different books on the New York Times bestsellers list were Rubik's Cube books. There was a boy called Patrick Bossert, who was 13 years old and wrote a book called You Can Do the Cube and sold nearly a million copies of it. He was the youngest ever author on the New York Times bestseller list. It kind of came from nowhere, right? Like Dan says, it was invented in 1974, and this was 1980.

In 1981, there was absolutely huge. looked on the newspaper archives and the first mention of it, it doesn't even call it the Rubits cube. It calls it the Hungarian magic cube. And this was in 1979. This was in the observer. And they said that at first most people tried to take the cube apart, but that is not the object. And it said, if you even get one face done of the cube in 20 minutes, then you've done well. And it says, but there are several people, brackets, well, at least three, that are able to solve the cube in less than five minutes. Dan, you mentioned that there are 43 quintillion different states that you can have. The newspaper said, and this was in 1979, at one per microsecond, a computer would take around 3,000 million years just to count up the number of states.

Wow. And in 2022, we got the first ever quintillion per second computer. So today, a computer could reach it in just under a minute. I think what's extraordinary? The numbers are so bamboozlingly. I remember reading an interview with Erno Rubik where he was talking about the fact that he'd invented more kinds of Rubic cubes now

and there was a snake Rubik's cube that he'd invented. Did you buy that, Lucy? I did have one. Rubic snake, which sounds a bit dodgy now. Why did they call it snake on the rubic's tube? Sorry. Very nice. Very good.

But he said that and this one has potentially even more permutations and the guy writing the article just went, once you've hit 43 quintillion I'm not impressed anymore. But what's interesting, so very randomly, day before yesterday, I bumped into a Rubik's Cube Guinness World Record holder. He's a guy called George.

He holds two records, one which he's just done, which I'm not allowed to reveal. I know, how cool is that? I've got secret Rubik's Cube Goss. I'll tell you guys after the show. The other one is that he has the most Rubic Cubes solved while riding on a skateboard for, I think, like an hour or something.

did like 500 of them just going around a skate park. Quick question, Dan. Yeah. Did he have on him a bag of 500 Rubik's cubes, which he then had to get out of the skateboard? No. Do you have a big sack of... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It wasn't like Santa, yeah. He was... What he was was he had people stationed around the skate part. So he'd hand the solved one to the person. They would mix it back up and he'd grab a new one as he was traveling around. So they mixed them back up again. So he used the same ones. Yeah, it feels kind of pointless.

It's like a punishment from the gods, actually. It is Sisypian, isn't it? Yes, yeah, that's right. So he demonstrated one thing I found amazing, which is to do with the bamboozling numbers. If I took this right now and I mixed this up to give to him to solve, whatever I've just done here is a combination that he will have never seen in his life. Every combination is unique because of the 43 quintillion.

I just spent two and a half minutes. Sorry. I think what's extraordinary? Like when it started getting big, there was a big concern that is this thing solvable? So there was a world fair that he was taken to. And he's not a particular, he's quite philosophical guy, he's quite sort of very serious,

and he wasn't the best ambassador of what this item was. But they needed him there to prove it could be solved. Otherwise, it was the Americans, wasn't it? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they got sent to an American toy company, and they thought, well, this is a good toy, but it probably can't actually be done. And I think they sent at an executive to Budapest and meet Rubik.

It's like, if you can solve this, we'll make it, and we'll manufacture it, and we'll distribute it. And then they sold 150 million. in those three years. But they sold it thanks to the most famous Hungarian at the time. So Rubik obviously couldn't really do all the press and stuff. Such a great question. I'm going Jajajaj Gabor, but I can't imagine.

Was it? Absolutely. Jajaj Gabor? Jajababab. And Rubik's Cube, that is not a Vendai-Gram. Amazing, right? So this is the earliest mention of the actual phrase Rubik's Cube I could find. This was from 1980.

And Jajajabar had put on a party for the Rubik's Cube where she invited all of her Hollywood friends. with a buffet of Hungarian delicacies it said, but it didn't say what I suppose, goulash, but I'm not sure what else was there. And yeah, she was hired by the ideal toy corporation to promote the Rubik's Cube. And she said, even if you can't solve it,

the cube feels so good in your hands, it may replace worry beads. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. Like the original fidget spinner or like a, those new poppers of kids go. I mean, that is true. If you do, just play with the Rubik's cube,

even if you don't solve it, it is fun to play with, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, well, especially if you've got cube, lub, because then it really, oh, it flies through your hands. I saw an interview with him from quite early, and he said that children are better than adults solving it, which, would you agree with that, Lucy? My own anecdotal experience would bear that out. Who was saying all this? Was it Rubik? That was Rubik saying that. He had a couple of reasons why he thought that kids would be better. More nimble wrists? I think purely physical terms, smaller hands, so, you know.

Yeah. And I suppose fearlessness. Like I always think with technology, my kids will just pick up anything and go blah, blah, blah, blah. Whereas I am hovering. And I think I overthink it a bit. So maybe there's a sort of an impulsiveness. I think overthinking is kind of one thing he said. So he said it requires a certain innocence that children had because adults will try out a pattern and it doesn't quite work out and they'll just never do that again.

Whereas kids will keep trying things. And the thing is with the Rubik's Cube is it is all algorithms and it's just repeating things again and again and again. And so kids are good at that. He also said that kids, and I think this is probably quite true, is certain kids anyway will get very absorbed with one thing and won't let anything else distract them. They'll just kind of concentrate on it and do it.

And the other thing, he said, is that kids have good visual memory, and that is true. Children can have much better visual. Until around 10 or 11 or 12, they have almost idetic memories that they can just remember things. really well. God, that's interesting.

Do you say anything about the wrists? He didn't mention nimble fingers at all. It was weird. Because I know Rubik was Hungarian. In 1981, the spokesman at the Hungarian embassy in London said, The Cube is our secret weapon to pacify the West. Wow.

There was even a cartoon. Did you go see the cartoon? Rubik's Cube. It's a sentient Rubik's Cube that is an alien. Oh, the cartoon, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So great. And it was a Rubik's Cube that was completely

useless if it was out of position. And that could happen quite easily if a passing pigeon knocked it, it would just sort of go and it would become useless. But if it was in its right sold state, it was this powerful, sentient thing. Could he change, could he solve himself or did he require? He required.

Yeah. That's nice. That's good. Yeah. So it's called Rubic, the amazing cube and it has, and there's, I love it, his IMDB page has, you know, goofs. One of the goofs is, even in its solved state, the colors of Rubic are often in the wrong position. White is always a from yellow, correct?

Yep, yep, yeah. Yeah. And so it says in many of its sole states, the colors are sitting next to each other that shouldn't be. Oh, what a blooper. But yeah, but it was actually, it was not a long-lasting series, but it was very much praised because the, yeah, bizarrely a distance. Sounds like such a long-lasting format. But the family that were entrusted with the Sentient Cube was a Latino family, and that was

not shown on TV really back then. It was so it was a very progressive show. It was seen as, you know, it's nice to see a family who aren't white into the leads in a cartoon. Bring it back. It's what I'm saying. They didn't have a film in 2010, which I'm not sure ever saw the light of day. They did that with loads of them, didn't they? Lots of them.

Like loads of toys. And they made one or two, like battleships they made, didn't they? But they also announced Ridley Scott's Monopoly, which I don't think what happened, unless I really missed it. But they're about to do Tetris as. a big series. Oh yeah. A big Netflix series about Tetris. I think guess who would be a very good one.

Yeah. You know, very interestingly recognisable characters. Murder history. Do you think like a mystery thing? Yeah. That would be good. Did the suspect wear a hat?

It's the weirdest follow up to knives out. Operation, that would be another good one. Oh, that would be a great one. Operation, yeah. Gruelling, harrowing, medical job. It's his funny bone. Yes, get the tweezers. Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is Lucy.

It is this fact. On at least three occasions in the last 16 years, the government of Shanghai has tried and failed to stop people wearing pajamas outdoors. Which seems, I mean, famously Chinese authorities are so laissez-faire, I kind of can't believe. The fact of they've tried and fair. is quite interesting.

It doesn't say much for the all-powerful machinery of the state. You can't even stop you wearing a jamas out. I don't think they've sent the army in. I think they've just disapprovingly said you shouldn't do this. Well, I haven't really tried then. There's been several attempts because it's quite a big thing, particularly in Shanghai, for people to wear pajamas out and about. And they think it's partly because in the early 20th century,

it was a real status symbol to be able to afford imported pyjamas. so people would take to the streets in their fine and we're going, look, I can afford these and slippers and they've got little teddy bears on them or whatever. And so it was sort of a state symbol and then it's just become a thing. And I mean, I'm all into it because I wear pyjamas at all times. I'm doing a tour at the moment in which I wear pajamas. So I'm very much on the side. On stage?

Yes, yes, yes. Because I decided during lockdown there's nothing you can't. Like if I do a Zoom and the other person is wearing something smart, I think you absolute loser. Why would you dress up to have a meeting in your own home? Especially now, you think if they're not wearing three layers and a blanket, you think, oh, showing off, you can afford heating. So what you're doing then is possibly what they're doing in China as well,

which is you've got daytime pyjamas, and then you'll go home and you probably have nighttime pajamas that you wear, right? This is what they do in China. So these aren't the pajamas that are waking up in and just going out onto the street. They'll get out of their pajamas to put on some pajamas to then go out into the table. Really? Yeah, they are the daywear pajamas. I can't say that for everyone, but that's for a lot of people. To be honest, I would try and get away with going, oh, no, these are my fancy pajamas.

And they'd be like, why have they got egg stains all day? No, no, I definitely didn't sleep in these. Definitely didn't. Have you ever done a school run or anything in your pajamas, Lucy? Well, do you know, I was on Five Live the other day because the Prime Minister's wife had gone and done the school running her slippers, except they were like 500 pounds. I saw this. And Five Live phone me up and said, oh, for our breakfast show tomorrow.

want to do a, you know, phone in about should you be allowed to wear slippers on the school run? And of course, I'm desperate to promote my tour, so I said yes. But the great thing was, nobody cared. And it was one of those, it's lovely when you're part of a sort of supposedly controversial phone in that is not at all controversial. Did people just phone in and say, I don't care? Yeah, they just said, well, you can wear what you want. This is a tangent. Do you know the most amazing radio phone in I've ever heard? I was in a, like a cab on the way somewhere or something. It was quite a long journey. This was 2020. And it was, if we get a new royal, yacht, right?

Should Prince Andrew be allowed to go on it? Okay? It's not going to be a new Royal Yacht. It's just not. No. And people had such strong opinions. This must have been in the first two months of 2020. It was.

It was. Yeah, yeah. Events overtook that one. Where do you stand on? Should Prince Andrew be allowed on the Royal Yacht? Loud. Oh God, he's actually thinking about it. It's a tricky one, isn't it?

Because it's a taxpayer-funded yacht. Yeah. You know, if they're buying their own yacht, they can do what they like on it, I guess. Yeah. But if I'm paying for this yacht, yeah, I think I am actually angry about it. I think shouldn't be allowed to go on it.

What if he's not allowed to come above decks? What if he's only allowed in the cabin? I think he should be allowed to be in steerage. That's fine. That's more work. You can't keep him, like, hidden in a basement. You don't want to get on that yacht and discover Andrew downstairs. Oh, God, no.

They used to use sign language on the old Royal Yard. Did they? Yeah, because they wanted to keep it quiet for the royals. So they had this complicated system of like waving at each other. That's not typical BSL sign language. No, sorry, they had a specific, like a Royal Yacht based hand language. Like the people on Ryanair, when they need a new tin of Pringles, they have a special sign that they make. Do they?

Yeah, yeah. The attendance, they have a secret sign language code for whatever they've run out of. You'll notice it now. Next time you've got a flight, you'll notice it now. Can't wait. Do they make the shape of a hyperbolic parabolic for a pringle? I don't know. I'm not party to the code.

I just, I know that it exists. Like bookmakers. Bookmakers and the air crew. Oh, nice. I can get us back to pyjamas. The other thing they did on the Royal Yacht was I think they wore soft sole shoes, the crew. So they weren't stamping around the decks and presumably infuriating Princess Margaret or something. So they had a specific, you know, everything was designed to.

Well, speaking of pajamas. Oh, yeah. They did you. to be outdoor things, didn't they? Oh. Well, they originated in, like, Persia, Ottoman Empire, and they were just basically loose-fit trousers, which you would tie around the waist.

They were taken by the colonial British, and they realized that actually they were quite nice to sleep in. So that's how they became pajamas. But Coco Chanel thought that we should wear them down the beach, and they became really fashionable people wearing pajamas down the beach in the 1920s and 30s. Oh, really? Yeah.

there was a place called I don't know how to pronounce it it's in France so it's J-U-A-N so is it Juan Lepan Juan Lapan I think it's Juan Lapan I've seen it and not been able to pronounce it

but I'm going free with Guestain It feels like Juan Lapan feels like the nice way to say it right but it was called Pajama Land in English and Pajamapolis in French because there were so many people in pyjamas on the beach in that town

I think it does come and go as a fashion isn't it and there's pockets of it I remember being in Cardiff for quite a long time and there was one area of Cardiff where everybody went out in their pyjamas all the time. Is that right? Really? Day pyjamas or the ones they slept in? I think sort of the ones they slept in but it's a fine line between leisure wear. But the um, there's been, shall I tell you about the various attempts to shut down a pajama wearing in China?

Yeah. So in the 1990s, there was an education campaign and they put signs up in Shanghai saying, please don't wear your pajamas. 2008, the Rixon neighborhood in North, Southeast Shanghai had a public campaign saying don't wear your pajamas. But then 2020 in Suzhan City, which is near to Shanghai, there was a social media post in title exposing uncivilised behaviour, increasing the quality of residents, and the local government put out various pictures of people who were engaged in antisocial behaviour, including seven people in pyjamas. And they used facial recognition technology to find out who they were and put their names up.

And which what you need there is you need pyjamas that have got some sort of balaclavas. Face masks. A sleep mask. Oh, a sleep mask. Exactly. But yeah, it does seem extraordinary. I think around the Shanghai World Expo in 2010 as well, there was quite a campaign to stop people wearing their pajamas. Yeah, that was a big one, wasn't it? The government at that one hired sort of 500 members of the public who volunteered to sort of stand at bus stops. And just if someone in pajamas came along go, hey, that looks daggy.

You need a change out of that, Mike. that they are 500 alties Do you know what kind of of pyjamas James Bond wears or what he wears to bed?

Surely he doesn't wear anything I mean because I don't think pyjamas are sexy are they? Can they be sexy? Well, great point

because there are obviously fancy silk pyjamas which might be sexy or there are sort of grubby cotton ones which might not be or might be sack pajamas aren't sexy

because they cling it's like you get static unless it's proper yeah yeah that's a problem all the balloons in the house

which had to touch themselves to you. So Anthony Horowitz is a thriller writer and he writes lots and lots of books and he for a while was the

he wrote James Bond sequels he was the official sanctions estates choice for and he wrote a couple of Bond books and one of them was called Trigger Mortis right

and he wanted to great name and in the start of the book in pretty much the opening chapter Anthony Horowitz wrote a description of Bond jumping out of bed

naked and he sent this off to the Fleming Estate and they got back in touch and they said you can't have that because it's official Bond canon in one of the books. I can't remember which one it is. I think it's You Only Live Twice or something.

Bond wears a bed jacket, which is... It's maybe the least sexy item of clothing. You can possibly imagine it. It's kind of buttons up to the neck and it goes down to the knees. And I think it's like a sort of wee, willy-winky night shirt style. So he just rewrote it not saying that Bond was naked. He just didn't describe the bed jacket because he thought that would be a way of destroying the character. Bond undid the top button of his night jacket.

Bond hung up his nightcap on the sun. You just imagine a little packet of Rennies in the pocket. Oh, there's a hanky in there. How long has that been in there for? Interestingly, for a very long time, the classic trouser pajama with the jacket button up kind of thing. For a long time, worn by men, and that changed during World War I. This is where women started wearing it. This is according to a professor at the University of Glasgow called Lucy Whitmore,

who talked about the fact that Zeppelin raids meant that whenever you heard the alarm and you needed to run out of your house, it got to a point where you became quite conscious of what you were wearing. You would come out in your nighty. You might look a bit disheveled. And also it's not the most practical thing to be running around in a nightie. So to begin with at the start of it, it would be people would leave very nice looking jackets in a very good spot. So that as the raid was happening and they would grab it and go out and look fashionable.

There was an old lady who suggested leaving an emergency toupee by the door as well. So you could grab that on the way out. And then eventually people started wearing women, rather, started wearing pajamas. And the popular color was dark blue because if you're outside, you obviously don't want any extra. Come on. You don't want to give away, I guess if you're being bombed, you want to do everything to stop yourself from being seen, right? Is that also why you need the toupee to stop the bold. Yeah.

You know, like reflecting back up. Dan, weirdly, I found the same Zeppelin-based First World War fact in it. I went to the library, did a bit of research with this one. And I've got a, there are a couple of books about the history of underclothes. And I sat there looking like a dirty old man, sitting in the library. Well, you did have your penis out. We should never have.

Hoddle of Keebley on the, but almost every page in the book had a, a line drawing of some corset or some girdle or something. And I just, I was quickly flipping through my time. I'm just here for the pyjamas, actually. I want the least sexy stuff in the book. Do you know what though? Anyone looking at that would go,

that is the most adorable. thing if that's how you're getting your kicks. I'm looking at line drawings of ladies petticoats. It's not Andrew Tate, is it? Let's be honest. And what did you find anything extra on the underclothes?

Because they were, the onesie was sort of invented in that period as well, wasn't it? We know Winston Churchill used to love wearing a onesie and that was a World War I. He called his like a boilus. Siren suit? Sirens suits. Yeah, for the aerosirons. They had slumber suits. I think that was later.

I've only just realized he meant siren suit because of the air raid sirens. I was thinking that he would sit on a rock and sing. Imagine if he had a lovely singing voice. We never really heard him sing. I wanted to meet them on the beaches. We will seduce them on the beaches. Most men claim not to wear anything to bed. But you're doubting them, okay, injure.

I am doubting them, I think. Because I think pyjamas have a reputation of being a bit cozy and a bit comfy and a bit, you know. Yes. I think there is a sense that men want to be thought of as being tough and rugged and like, oh, I don't wear anything to bed even if it's minus four in the house or whatever. Is there not? Now, listen, I know nothing of the male anatomy.

I'll put that right out there. But is there not, do things not get a bit twisted? And I would imagine discomfort if you slept completely naked as a man. Do things not? No. No. No. That's all right.

Is it all right. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. Thanks for that. Yeah. I've never been woken up by that You've never twisted anything

Or never trapped under the bed again Honey you're going to have to Fold in the Fire Brigade again Oh if you tried to leap out for an air raid And you've got to catch up I feel like that was one of the weirdest moments Everyone on our podcast Where you had three guys sitting here

picturing ourselves naked In bed The poor listeners there. I've always said, the mental images, please send in your fan art. Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is Andy.

My fact is, the flow of the Amazon is so big that even 100 miles into the Atlantic you could drink over the side of your ship and the water would still be fresh. Amazing. That's incredible. I love it.

I should say where I got this fact, first of all, it's from a guy called Thomas Pueyo on Twitter, and so I thought, I couldn't believe it when I first read it and so I did a bit more looking and some sources say the water's going to be a bit brackish you know it might not be totally sparkling Eviann style fresh

but it would definitely be noticeably less salty so you would not be able to see South America if you were 100 miles out and you would still get water that was much less salty. If you were, let's say you were sailing across the ocean before you knew where you were you could keep tasting the water

and as it got less and less salty you could almost find your way to the shop. What an incredible idea, yeah, to navigate your way. Well, sailors must have worked that out, though, because they're very wide. There'll be some sort of sailor, you know, sailor rhyme. Like, if the water tastes nice, if the water tastes nice,

Brazilian being in a trice, if the water tastes salty, then your compass is faulty. Oh, really is superb. There you go. So every single day, the water that we're talking about, that sort of pushes out into the Atlantic,

it's 17 billion metric tons of water that flows out. It's hard to work out what that is. What that equates to, if you were getting fresh water in New York City, that's the daily amount for nine years that would be used. Nine years worth of fresh water in New York City is what goes out daily into the Atlantic. They should move New York. I don't know if that's practical. But it's weird that we can't somehow harvest it.

It's just going into, it's just disappearing. Becoming salty. I think it is useful. It goes into the water cycle and eventually, you know, rains down on us. Yeah, but we could keep the planet alive. No, I don't think, I think we've done enough mucking around, actually. Maybe we should just make the Amazon. I actually disagree.

I think a huge pipe at the mouth of the Amazon that just takes it all the way to New York. Brilliant. Not New York, but somewhere that needs fresh water. There's lots of places where they don't have water. Yeah, somewhere closer. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like New Orleans. Yeah, there you go, New Orleans.

I can't see it not working. I'm just saying it's a bit of a waste. That's 17 billion metric tons. It's a waste. I really don't think it's a waste. Donald Trump listening to this, it's going to be diverted to his golf courses somehow. Yeah, anyway, the Amazon, it's big.

It's big. It blows my mind. In fact, my mate's got a new Brazilian girlfriend, and he was saying, you know, you go to Brazil. It's just massive, mate. It's just mess. The thing I always find interesting about the Amazon is that you can't build bridges.

Yeah. Because it's too... Because the width of it varies so much and it's so soft, crumbly at the edges. So it would have to be such a massive bridge because it would have to start. And so what, they just go across on boats and stuff. Yeah, yeah, so...

I think they've built one now. There is one, but it's right up at the night. It's sort of... It's over a tributter. It's the Rio Negro, which is a tributary of the Amazon, but it's before it joins the river proper, basically. So there are no bridges across the Amazon Amazon. And yeah, like you say, Lucy, it's during the wet season,

the Amazon is 190 kilometres wide at its widest? That's wide. It's really wide. Imagine from here to Stoke. Maybe Stafford, maybe Stafford. It's further. In fact, my electric car wouldn't be able to drive. If there was a bridge that went over that there,

They would have to be a charging pipe on that bridge. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to get a drive. That's that side. That is insane. I like that the Amazon River is part of effectively an Amazon River sandwich. It's the meat of a sandwich in that... Go on. This is a tortured metaphor. I know what you're talking about.

And even I'm struggling to bring up this. Well, there's a river below it. The Hamza. And there's a river above it. Oh, is there? Well, there's more water above the Amazon. river in the clouds above the actual Amazon itself. Did the clouds kind of follow the shape of the river?

Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. That's clever. It's this water vapor stream, isn't it? Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. I think it's 20 billion tons of water.

20 billion metric tons of water, yeah. And that's more water than it's actually in the river itself, they say. That's very cool. Isn't there something like every tree in a day, like a big tree in the Amazon, perspires, or transpires, or whatever it is, a thousand liters of water in a day. Yeah, that's right. One tree. Sweats it out.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, one tree. And then underneath you've got the Hamza. Yeah, so secret underground river. It's the, you can only get to it if you defeat an Aztec boss on the final level. So, yeah, so under the Amazon, there is a sort of aquifer that is even wider, even bigger, even bolder, even brashire.

It's Amazon 2, the revenge. And it's, yeah, the river Hamza named after the strictly winner this year, obviously. Oh, not Abu Hamza. It's got a big hook in it, yeah. Ranger Hamza. Yeah, and it's very, it's quite recently discovered, isn't it? So Hamza was the name of the head of the team that discovered it. And it's very low down and very slow moving.

4,000 metres below the river itself. Wow. Super slow moving. Yeah. To the point where you can't really call it a river. Like it's not flowing. It moves at one millimeter an hour. Yeah.

That's flowing. I relate to this river very hard. It's very slow, low down. If you drop something in. you'll be reunited with it quite quickly. It won't be swept away suddenly. You gave a pooh-sticks would be quite low-stakes, wouldn't it?

The giant Amazon leech, which you find in the Amazon River, do you think it's longer or shorter than the world's longest cat tail? Now, I actually know the length of the leech, but I have no idea about the world's longest cat-tail. That's the difficulty of this quiz question. You actually need two quite arcane bits of knowledge. to even make a guess.

I think the longest cat stand is not that long. Really? This is domestic cat. Okay, thank you. Okay, very great. Oh, right. Here we go. I think the leech is about a forearm.

I think it's about 18 inches. Okay. The biggest giant leech. Yeah, yeah. So the longest ever catsdale are longer or shorter than 18 inches. I'd say cats. This gives it away a bit. It's a Ferndale cat.

Ferndale. Well, now you've made it too easy. I don't want to submit an answer anymore. Is it exactly the same length? Well, Andy is spot. with the 18 inches for the Amazon Leach. And the longest cat tail, according to Guinness, is 17 inches. Do you think that the giant Amazon Leach is longer or shorter than the height of the world's tallest donut?

Right. So it's good now we know we've got 18 inches. You put the donut down flat. Yeah, so not the diameter, not the roundness, it's how tall it goes. I think the dinnets are tall. I think it's still the leach Yeah Andy knows his stuff Tallest donut

16 inches tall It was quite wide in fairness Right Yeah but actually what's that foot in a Foot and a half I mean that's a tall That's a tall donut I could eat that

There's not I don't know I want the world's biggest donut To be a donut that I was like I couldn't eat that Big as a house Yeah You can make level tea donuts that big

Or like the ring road Of a small town Yeah Exactly Oh this is a great quiz That's the end of it Well I loved it I had a great time

Have you heard of the Amazon tall tower observatory? No, no. Okay, so this is, and it's a really new thing as well, actually. So it's an observatory, it's, but not a space observatory. It's to look down at the Amazon. And so it's in the middle of the rainforest, and the trees are, what are the tall trees? They're about 80 to 100 meters, aren't they? Like, a good tall tree is up to, you know, that's a really tall tree 100 meters.

And the tower, that's, yeah, I think the tallest ever tree is about 120 meters, like the tallest ever measured, you know. But this tower is 325 meters, okay? It's about as tall as tall as the Eiffel Tower, which actually is really tall when you look at it. The Eiffel Tower? Yeah. Well, busting some myths today, aren't we? I never think of it as tall, but actually, I went there.

It's big, the Eiffel Tower. You can see it from a long way away. Exactly. And this is, it's much thinner than the other tower. It's just one needle going up from the, like, it looks mad this thing. I was up the Eiffel Tower once in a restaurant. And we had a table next to the window, which is really nice. And it was overlooking the bridge.

and what you would see is they had these guys playing you know we have three cups and you have to hide the ball and just taking loads of money and then about every 20 minutes the police would turn up and they would leg it and then you could watch them go

all the way down the river over the next bridge back over again and then back on the bridge and then the police would turn up it was like a cat and mouse I really thought you were going to say that from your perspective

I'll see which cup it was under I just yelled down that middle one that's what I was thinking your wife's down there looking up. You've got special cup ball sign language

you've developed. How are they doing it? We have never been fucked before. I've done that restaurant too. We didn't get a window seat. No, well, you need to. What is the point? I know.

Are there tables with don't have window seats in the eyeballs out? You've been just looking at a big piece of iron. God, they really saw you coming. Was it on the ground floor? Was it, I mean, was it? Did you get the base? basement table she and Prince

Andresa didn't know Pizza Express was in France Wow Oh that's funny I didn't I didn't

I didn't I didn't even I didn't even get into the restaurant We didn't even We'll go together Yeah I'd love that So this tall tree

Oh yeah This observatory is 325 meters And it's actually It's one metre taller than the Eiffel Tower And it's got 1,500 steps up to it. It takes about an hour to walk up to the top. I don't know if there's a lift actually.

And basically it's just to sniff the breath of the forest, as they're called it. They're measuring all the chemicals in the air. When there are forest fires, you know, they measure the concentrations and how dangerous that is and deforestation. They can, you know, they can tell things about that and the tree emissions. And it's just, I just think it's amazing. Imagine you go up, you've forgotten your glasses. Snit back down. I can't even see the guy with the cup and the ball. Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is James. Okay, my fact this week is that while playing a psychiatric patient in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Danny DeVito ended up becoming a psychiatric patient himself.

Was he going method? Some people did go method. We might get to that, but DeVito's problem really is quite sweet, actually. He had recently gotten together with Rea Perlman. the actor, the amazing real... And she was right, just to put her head in your...

Carla from cheers. Yeah. And obviously they were filming, or not obviously, but they were filming a long way away from where she was, 3,000 miles in fact. And so he was really missed her, and in order to deal with that separation, he invented an imaginary friend to talk to at night, and he became a little bit

concerned about his mental health, perhaps because they were making this film and there was a lot of it in the air. And so, So he decided to see the doctor on set who was called Dr. Brooks and asked for his advice. And Dr. Brooks said, yeah, don't worry about it. As long as you're aware that it's an imaginary friend, imaginary friend's perfectly normal thing to have. It's no problem at all. But also that doctor, the on set doctor, was actually in the movie, of course.

Was he? Yeah. So, Dr. Brooks, yeah. But an amazing man, because he owned the clinic in which they filmed it. So it's no wonder they were all a little bit crazy because they were in an actual mental institution filming this. very intense movie. He's the one who sort of checks in

Jack Nicholson's character, McMurphy at the start of the film, and interviews him. I don't know if he was going to be in it, but he was really insistent that everyone in the institution all the patients got involved with the film. He was quite forward-thinking. He took lots of the patients on expeditions. He took them white water rafting,

and he taught them to grapple down cliffs and things. I mean, really, because this was in the 70s, they were filming it. It was pretty progressive at the time. And I think about 90 inmates ended up involved in the film in some capacity or another. I must say I haven't seen the film.

It's pretty amazing. Yeah, I've heard very good things about it, so I will try and watch it. And I started reading the book this week and got about a third of the way through. But I think the brook's amazing. Yeah, yeah. And apparently the film's even better. They're both amazing. Tell you it was even better.

It was a stage production that was put on about 20 years ago, 2004. I was in a stage production. Who are you? I was. Were you the giant Native American? Yes, that's me. Keith Bromden, that was me. Well, no, do you know what, though?

So we did this basically. So it was Christian Slater from Heather's, etc. came over and was McMurphy. And it was amazing. Because at that time, there weren't that many Western shows with big Hollywood stars. McMurphy being Jack Nicholson's role in the movie. Exactly, yes, the main guy. And I played a nurse who had about two lines.

And some of my friends came to see it. And they said, oh, we just thought you were being modest. because I'd said, oh, I'm playing a nurse who mummed over the cookie's nest. And I'm like, oh, we thought you were just being modest and you were playing Nurse Ratchet. But you really were just a nurse who has two lines. Because Francis Barber was Nurse Ratchet and McKenzie Crook was in it. Wow. McKenzie Crook.

Yeah, yeah. He played Billy, the sort of little shy. Oh, yeah, that's a good role for him, I can see. Yeah, yeah. Should we super quickly just say what the basic premise is, just for anyone who hasn't seen it is a bit confused. God, we should, shouldn't we? Yeah, it's, it's been so, Lucy. So, yeah, Jack Nicholson plays McMurphy, who is this sort of tearaway, who is sent to this secure psychiatric facility, which Nurse Ratchett is this horrible nurse who sort of rules with a reign of terror over everybody.

There is one nice nurse, though, isn't there, who just has a couple of lines. There is the star of the entire production is that nice nurse, yeah. And then the Indian chief, spoilers, are we worried about that? It came out quite a long time ago. Yeah, so anyway, Jack Nicholson kind of creates this air of chaos and rebellion in the place and rebels against Nurse Ratchett, and then the Chief Bromden, the Native American Chief, smothers him with a pillow. We should maybe say that Jack Nicholson's character suffers a lobotomy. Oh, yeah, sorry.

He's not just that Chief Bromden wants to restore order in the hospital. It's a mercy killing, basically. Yeah. And the whole sort of thing is, it's not, hey, we're not mad, society's mad, and who in the real, you know, Yeah, all of that stuff. And there's a bit of the book where Mc Murphy finds out that all the patients are allowed to leave if they want to, they just don't. He's incredibly freaked out by, he says, why don't you just go home?

You're allowed? And he says, well, I'm not ready to, you know, the person he's talking. It's amazing. Anyway, it sounds like, it was a very tense filming experience in lots of ways as well because he had a lot of big personalities. You had Ken Casey who wrote the book and then ended up hating the film, never watched it. He once started watching it when it was just on TV,

and then he realized what film he was watching and changed channels. I mean, I love that. Just point blank. He was channel flipping, yeah, and he was like, oh, what's this? This looks great, oh no. And then so the director was Milos Foreman, and Jack Nicholson and Milos Foreman had a big disagreement about McAfee's character. And basically, it's very ordered. And then Jack Nicholson arrives, and he turns the place upside down.

And Milos Forma wanted it to be more like, it was already chaotic. And then he arrives, and he sort of draws the patience together and they become a team. They had a big falling out over that. And they would end up, they ended up, they were only talking. each other through the cinematographer so it would have to be kind of say, can you tell Jack Nicholson to act

this way in this city? I mean it just sounds so tense. But Danny DeVito as well because he, I mean I'm a huge fan of Danny DeVito and remembered him as Lou in Taxi, the sort of do a dispatcher. But he, when he was in Matilda

the actress he played Matilda said that actually although he was playing a horrible dad, he actually became like a really lovely father figure to her. And And, you know, in mumple over the cuckoo's nest, you could argue that he actually was playing a sort of psychiatric patient, but he was taking care of his mental health. What I'm saying is he's always the opposite of how he appears. And actually, in twins, if you put him and Arnold Schwarzenegger together, he's taller. What a film.

What a movie. He was inducted into the New Jersey Hall of Fame in 2010. So I thought I'd look at some other people who are in New Jersey Hall of Fame. Hall of Fair. So you've got Buzz Aldrin, Frank Sinatra. Oh, okay. Do you have to be from New Jersey? Can I just ask?

Well, Thomas Edison is there, born in Ohio. Okay. Yogi Berra, born in Missouri. Harriet Tubman, born in Maryland. And Albert Einstein, not even born in America. So we've all got a shot at the New Jersey Hall of Fame, basically. I think you have to have lived there for a while because Einstein works in Princeton, of course. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's great. on one flow over it was nearly defeated by the Cold War and didn't get turned into a film because of the Iron Curtain. You know this? This is cool.

So the book came out in the early 60s and Michael Douglas. No, sorry, Kirk Douglas bought the rights. He was in the play. He was in the first play version and then the film is actually based on the play, not on the book,

which is maybe why Ken Casey hated the film. So Kirk Douglas was the initial McMurphy which is mad. It's so strange for a magic. now because it's so Jack Nicholson's role and then he bought the rights and he wrote to Milos Forman in Jakkia and said got this great play got the rights

to it think it should be a film I'll send you a copy of the book Milo's former said great the book was then seized by Czech customs in 1963 and it took more and Foreman was really annoyed because Chirk Gaga said I'll send you a book, never sent the book rude Kirk Douglas was very annoyed because Milos

Formand never said thank you for the book rude it took a decade to sort out this misunderstanding between them the film was made something like 1975, I think. Yeah, yeah. It took a long time. And eventually, Kirk Gagas gave the rights to his son, Michael, who then said, should we just try again with this book thing? Do we think that the, sorry to interrupt, sorry, do we think that the Czech customs

didn't let the book go initially because they were worried that it was seditious? Maybe, it's not clear. It's not clear why it was serious. Maybe they just wanted to read it. I have no idea. I was wondering if it was like the Rubies Cube, but going in the opposite direction. Yeah. I've no idea.

I don't know what their reason was. Kessi was quite notorious as a LSD proponents. He was quite famous with the counterculture of America at that point. He had a bus that he used to take everyone on. What a radical free thinker. It was a psychedelic bus. Oh my God, a multicolored bus. Oh, we've got that.

We've had those all the time. London buses are bright, right. It's what it represented. They were called the Merry Pranksters, and they used to, and Tom Wolfe wrote a whole book about this. It was a non-fiction book about this. these guys who just would go around. They used to do things like they would have people

playing flutes on the top of the bus. I feel buses where people have been playing the flute. Were they on LSD? Probably. Just a public safety warning. Do not take acid on a London bus. It's not a friendly environment to do that. But it is possible it was the counterculture thing

and his name was very much associated with that. That's a good point. I don't know if it was, it's possible. It's interesting because he was an author already at this point, Kessie, before he wrote one flu over the cuckoo's nest. And he was working on a book called Zoo. and in order to fund it, he needed a job. So he worked at a psychiatric ward in order to fund it.

And the book idea came to him when one night he was in there. I think he was cleaning and he was on peyote and he was tripping and he saw a full-blown chief Brumden there as a sort of vision. Just a psychedelic drug. It's like a cactus or something. Yeah, it's like a cactus which you, yeah, it's a drug. I know it is a word and I know it's a drug, but I can't tell you those specific. Come on, I do a big old squads.

I'm sorry, not of her. But he said he saw a full-blown Native American, he said Indian, Chief Broome, the solution, the whole mothering key to the novel. And that's how he wrote of the novel. Because in the novel, he's the main, like the narrator, right? The narrator, sorry, and in the movie not? He's not, and that's why Kessie immediately hated it.

It wasn't told from the perspective of him. He has a big character in it, but he's not, yeah, yeah. Interestingly, the guy who got the role of Chief Brondon got it because Michael Douglas was sitting next to a used car dealer on a plane and the used car dealer's dad was an acting agent who had a load of Native American actors on his books. And the thing about Chief Brompton is he's about eight feet tall in the thing. And Michael Douglas got a phone call saying, I just met the tallest Native American guy you've ever seen.

And it was Will something. I can't remember his name. I can't remember his name. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, he got the role as Chief Brunden. Will. Will Samson. Oh, that's nice name for someone incredibly tall. Yeah.

And he's got long hair. Wow. Oh my God, it's perfect. So this movie was made in an actual, as we've said, hospital. That was originally, it was called the Oregon State Mental Hospital. It's since been renamed as now Oregon State Hospital. And it's an interesting place in its own right. It had a really controversial bit, which was they found 5,000 canisters of unclaimed human remains in there.

And this was, yeah, this was a lot of the patients who had been cremated, but no one had come to collect them. and they put out the list. They found all the names of the people, and a lot of relatives, distant relatives, came and reclaim them. And there was a documentary called The Library of Dust that was made about it. It was tragic.

Yeah, yeah, it was pretty mad. But also, they had a railroad underneath the hospital, specifically built one so that they could deliver items to different bits of the hospital, but also to transport patients that they didn't want the members of the public

to have to come across if they were visiting the hospital because they were worried something might go wrong. Dangerous? dangerous, you know, all that sort of stuff. Some of the tunnels possibly are still there, but you just walk them now or use bicycles.

It's just Prince Andrew in there now. Oh my God. Yeah, and then they had a horrible thing. I found just horrible things about it, unfortunately. 1942, there was a mass poisoning by accident. They were serving scrambled eggs, and they accidentally, and 47 people died from this, they used instead of powdered milk,

they used sodium fluoride, which is a poison you would use to kill cockroach. and that was accidentally added to the scrambled eggs and 47 died. I used to work in a kitchen, we had a Christmas party and instead of putting white sauce on the Christmas pudding, they put garlic sauce on, which is a very less problematic version of what you just said. Well, it's good to know you can relate. Yeah.

I mean just saying it's easily done. Yeah, it's easily done. Gosh. I want to use cube lube instead. Instead of what? It twisted sideways, didn't it? Should we just quickly mention Louise Fletcher?

She played Nurse Ratchett in the film and died last year, sadly. But she was amazing. And she, I think she kept herself separate from the rest of the cast, didn't she, for a lot of the filming? So that she could be an icy authority figure. And did you do that when you were in the... the play of Lucy.

I'm always an icy authoritative. In every situation, I keep myself. Well, didn't she also take all the clothes off, though, at one point? I think at the end of filming, wasn't it? Yeah, she'd go, hey guys, look at this all along. I was fun. It was her saying, I'm fun, that's right, yeah. I think she had her underwear on.

I don't think she was fully naked, maybe she was fully naked. She wasn't that much fun. I'm fun, but I'm not like, fun. It doesn't feel, like, there must be a better way, like bring in some cupcakes. to ingratiate yourself with their colleagues. Just wait till the end of this podcast. Yeah, there were two others.

There was Anne Bancroft and Angela Lansbury were both offered the role but turned it down because they didn't want to appear so evil on screen. Wow. This was in an obituary of Louise Fletcher that I read. And also it said in this that she was repeatedly turned down from roles because she was five foot ten. And in those days, a lot of the leading men were much shorter than that.

And she couldn't play roles opposite people who were shorter or about the same height. Oh, really? And actually, in the nurse's cap, she'll be more than six foot, you know? And Jack Nicholson is quite, I think he's quite a short guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it really works for the authority, for the sort of power struggle happening between them. I just said she's brilliant. Yeah, she's on Star Trek.

Yeah, she was a character on Star Trek. Oh, yeah, that's right. Wow. And she said that she found her role so disturbing that she also couldn't watch the film. It's Star Trek or? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. aliens are scary

did she as in as nurse ratchet yeah she found it really hard and she just found it too disturbing to watch as a as a role it is actually the last time I watched it which was a couple of years ago the person I was watching it with sided with Nurse Ratchet which didn't make me think

no hang on you've taken the wrong message there and she said no no no look the point is someone's got to keep order she's just doing her job she's just doing a job if McMurphy was running the place it would be an absolute it would be mayhem One last thing just about Ken Kessi, the author,

because he was a pretty amazing author. His method for a certain period when he was writing was to be completely off his head on drugs and he would write a crazy amount. Then in the morning he'd sober up and become his own editor. So it'd sort of say, okay, let's see what the author's written and chop out all the junk and get down to the good meat of it. Wow, that's clever.

Yeah, yeah. Apart from presumably the first draft was absolute douching. It just didn't make any sense at all. And then you'd think, but hang, what if the editor was drunk as well? But they're different, or I'll take different drugs. And then I'll make the copy editor will be sober. So that'll be fine. Okay, as long as the printer is sober, it'll be fine.

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