No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As A 'Waiting For Godot' Action Figure

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

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Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast this week coming to you live from Chesterfield. Dan Shriver, I am sitting here with Anna Tyshinsky, Andrew Huntsum Murray, and James Harkin. And once again, we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. And in no particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, and that is Andy. My fact is that one Japanese slang term for a retired husband is Sodai Gomi, which literally translates as bulky waste. That is too on the nose.

It's a lot, it's a lot. Do we know if this meant affectionately or less affectionately? I think tone of voice counts for a lot in these scenarios. I don't think it's a completely affectionate term. It's a phrase that I think maybe older people will know more than younger people in Japan today. I think it first came to prominence in the 90s, and it was basically there, certainly at the time in Japan, the very, very strong culture of working very hard, a lot of quite traditional gender roles at the time. So you'd have, you know, a husband might be working sort of 16 hours a day for 40 years.

And then suddenly he's retired and he's here all the time. And this was the phrase that arose as a result of that. Another one that they use is Nureo Chiba, which means wet, fallen, leaves. And the idea is that if you have wet fall and leaves they just stick to your shoes all the time and the husband is just sticking to his wife annoyingly and she can't get rid of him.

That's so funny. That is horrible. So Japan has a very high population that is sitting above the sort of 90s even. They have the second largest number of centenarians in their country. That came out so weird

out of my mouth. Because I was saying centenarians and then I thought centaurs and I thought which one is it? And I got stuck halfway through. It's both actually in Japan. Yeah, a lot of old centaurs in Japan. Yeah, which is amazing. What's the highest?

America. America has the most. So America has, from the article that I read, it was 97,000. This is a few years old this article. Japan with 79,000. So Japan, it's six people for every 10,000 people in Japan will make it to 100 and above. crazy. So, are you saying

proportionally, I think it's Japan, surely? Yeah, yeah, proportionally, Japan's got the highest number. The thing is, though,

centaurs do live long, so it's not really as impressive as you think. But it does lead to, I mean, there's a lot of retirement about in Japan, and basically there are a lot

of free hours to fill after you hit 65 or 70. Well, you can always go to the leisure centaur. That did not deserve even that sarcastic round the class.

But they have lots of activities. So, for example, Japan loves rugby. There's a hugely popular sport there. But they have 120,000 rugby players, give or take. 10,000 of them are over the edge of 40, which, you know, impressive enough, as a contact sport. There is one rugby club in Japan, which has three over 90-year-old players.

Come on. Genuinely. No way. There was an interview with a few of them. One of them was called Riuichi Nagayama, and he said he found an enormous amount of fun. He said, since I joined, I have broken ribs many times, and broke my collarbone, too.

I can't stand not playing. He said it would kill him if he stopped playing because he loves it so much. It sounds like it will kill him if he keeps playing. Yeah, I'm picturing a crumbled heap of bones right now. It's very impressive. Yeah. They do.

There was a story which I imagine, it sounds like one of those stories that must slightly be fake, but from what I can read is true, which is that the sales of adult nappies are overtaking the sales of children's napping. That's definitely true. Which is amazing. Like, that's just, there's your innaping.

indication about the difference in population in Japan. Yeah, more adults and nappies than babies. And it's not just the old ones. Sometimes it's just convenient, you know? How do you think we last an hour up here? Yeah. They do have in Japan a problem with dementia, as lots of countries do, but Japan particularly, obviously, with its massively aging population.

And there's been some kind of cool initiatives to deal with that. So one of them is that there is a restaurant in Tokyo. called The Restaurant of Mistaken Orders and it's where the waiting staff is comprised entirely of people suffering from dementia. And so... Oh my God. It's great. The restaurant openly says

that you as a customer may or may not get what you order. Oh, wow. We guarantee it's delicious. Yeah, the chefs do not have dementia. Right. But yeah, it's great. And it's so good. And it just allows people, it's sort of based on this idea

there's a lot of misunderstanding of dimension. People think you're incapable of doing anything. Whereas actually, people are capable of doing lots of stuff. They just can't remember a lot. And so it encourages a lot of open discussion about it and gives them something to occupy them. Yeah, that's great. It's a great idea, but probably not for whoever wrongs of business, right?

It doesn't feel like... Well, people love it. Yeah? I bloody love it. I hate having to choose what I want in a restaurant. If I could know that, I could just say a random thing on the menu and it didn't make a blind bit of difference. I'd go there.

I read about these three women in Japan called the Monkey Busters. Did you come across those guys? So there are a lot of areas of Japan, especially in the rural areas, where you get the monkeys and they will come down and try and steal stuff from people

and all that kind of thing. And so this group of three women, 174, 168 and 167, have formed the Monkey Buster group. And if you see the monkeys coming along, if they're trying to, like, damage your fields and stuff or whatever, then you call the monkey buster.

and they come down. How quickly do they come down? If they're nearby, then quickly. If they're down the road, it might take a few minutes. Right. And when they get there, do they shoot the monkeys? Do they trap the monkeys? They don't shoot the monkeys.

They shoot over the monkey's heads. Wow. They do warning shots to the monkeys. Firecrackers is the other thing they use sometimes. That's great. That's a great thing to do once you retire. Just go around scary monkeys. I'd like it as a career.

Monkey busting. I'm sure someone were paying me. for that. Have you guys heard of Yuichiro Miura? No, he is a sportsman, he's Japanese, and he is interesting, partly because of what he's done since your classic retirement age. He was the oldest person in the world to climb Mount Everest. He climbed at age 70. Then five years after that, he did it again at the age of 75. He's done it again at the age of 80. So he's become the oldest person to climb Everest three times in a row. The high point of his career, I reckon, in his 40s

he skied down Mount Everest with a parachute on his back so he could slow himself down Okay Wow It's unbelievable There was a film made about it in 1975 I don't think we've mentioned this before

On the book I've never heard of it before He went from very very high up Okay I don't know if he went to the exact I don't know if he went to I think he did I don't know it can't be the top

No it's too much There's too much going on up there Oh, there are lots of crevasses. He nearly died many times on the way down. He went 160 kilometres an hour on the way down. Wow. The parachute didn't work at first. He was sliding towards this huge crevass,

and eventually the parachute kind of kicked him. He's a hero. But I love because you go past all the crevasses going, fucking come on parachute. When it finally does deploy, Parachutes, of course, rip you back. Having to do all the crevasses all over again. I don't think it sails you back.

up to the top. He's still there. He's still there. It's just on a loop. Because they have such an aging population, they have a problem with elderly drivers. And they're trying to do a thing where they're trying to get older people

to hand back their driving license. There's a few ways they tried to do this. There was a 97-year-old Buddhist priest who handed over his driving license. The idea was, if he did it, maybe he would encourage other people to do it. There's some areas where they'll give you cheap ramen, 15% off your ramen if you hand in your driving license.

Ironically, it'll stop you ramen anyone else with your car. Ah. Very uncertain about that, Chesafeel. And there is also a funeral home in Tokyo that's offering a 15% discount on the cost of a funeral if you hand in your driving license. That's amazing. We're going to have to move on in a sec.

I'll give you a couple of sayings, or phrases in Japanese, see if you can guess what they mean. So, Bakudo Hage, which means barcode boldie. Do you know what that might mean? Oh, is that someone with a combover who's... He's got it.

Yeah. Really obvious comb over. You're a barcode boldie. The By the Window tribe, do you know what they are? That is Madoggiwa Zoku. People who are under-employed, nosy parkers,

sit by their windows, spying on their neighbor. Under-employed was close. Oh. So it's people who've been promoted to quite a senior level, but they don't really do anything decent, so they just sit there by the window

looking out of the window. And here's one more. Kairu No Tsura, which means piss on a frog's face. That's just good advice. Is it like a frog's face is bad enough? The piss on it's even worse.

If you're piss on a frog's face, you're the lowest of the low. That's a good guess. It's someone who is, a little bit slow and isn't affected by anything. So whatever you say to them, they'll just sit there going, yeah, fine, whatever. And this is due to

a theory, which I don't think is true, that if you piss on a frog, it just sits there. My neighbour has tadpoles in their garden that are just turning into frogs and I am going to try that. I'm going to be squatting over the fence next week. Okay, it is time for fact number two and that is My Fact. My Fact this week.

is that in 1969, Samuel Beckett wrote a play that lasts 35 seconds long and features no actors or any dialogue. The play is still performed today and has even been adapted into a movie.

This is an amazing thing. Samuel Beckett, waiting for Godot, you know, one of the great playwrights and novelists. He was called upon by Kenneth Tynan, who was amazing journalist and writer,

a critic in London. Famously, first person to say, fuck on television. Dan. Sorry. That's all right. He was just a certain of the same fucking Chester Feele. So in 1969 he was putting on a play

called O'Calcutta and the idea was he wanted to invite a lot of very famous people to contribute to this play but he was going to keep them anonymous. So he wrote Samuel Beckett. Samuel Beckett agreed to do it and the story goes is that he wrote this entire play which lasts 35 seconds long onto a

postcard and mailed it to him so he received the entire play on this postcard and then it was put on but becket was very upset because when the play was eventually put on by tinan he added extra stuff into the 35 second long play and he was like that's don't touch my play you dick and yeah so what happened was um old calcutta was an erotic review so there's going to be loads of these little mini plays that were kind of erotic plays and when becket sent this stuff to tynan on the postcard it was basically just a load of clutter on the stage the lights go on off on off and there's breathing that goes with the on and off.

And then at the end there's a little bit of baby crying. That's it. And the whole point of it is it's a joke because everyone's expecting something really sexy and you get something really lame. That's the whole point. But what they decided to do was to add some naked people into it. Well, it's an erotic review. Let's just have all of that stuff, but with some naked people on stage.

And yeah, he was absolutely furious. Yeah. Yeah, that's so annoying to face the objects. Exactly. Beck, it's very difficult, I have to say. Really, really hard. Really difficult to understand. You need an interval.

Was there an interval in this one? It was part of a sketch within a bigger thing. So there was lots of different places going on. When it's now performed on stage, it's a two-hander. So it's like when we tour live, we do a first half to our show. We do close to 50 minutes. Beckett says 35 seconds. And then there's an intermission for beers and then you get a full play on the second.

Oh, you get a Beckett in the second half. Yeah. Beckett was maybe the most feckett. The feckett, the most famous Beckett. Andy! Sorry. Interesting to me, Andy was the first person to say feckett on TV, don't you? Yeah, yeah.

It was my father Ted audition tape. Didn't get it. Maybe the most famous play of his, Waiting for Godo. Famously described as a play in which nothing happens twice, which is kind of true. And it was written in French, which I didn't know.

He was a very international writer. You know, traveled around a lot, lived in France for decades. But it was first produced. in Blackpool in 1956 and it's a pretty aggressively modernist play now and Blackpool in 1956 was not ready for it

and there was incredible, this was still an era where all British plays had to go through the Lord Chamberlain's office the official censor of all theatre and an agent called C.W. Harriet saw it on behalf of the Lord Chamberlain to say which bits

should and shouldn't be allowed and said he had been through two hours of angry boredom. The man next to had fled the theatre saying, let me out of this. Several women were apologising to their escorts for having suggested a visit to such a piece. And he also requested that they cut the bit

where Estragon's trousers fall down. He actually, it's quite interesting reading his notes. Because I kind of warmed to him to Harriet because he basically is saying it's really boring and pointless, not that it's too crude. And actually with Estragon's trousers, to be fair to him, he says,

the business of letting down Estragon's trousers, I suppose that may be alright, better keep. You know, he thinks that's a bit fucking weird, but whatever. I thought this is quite learned of him. He censored the words gonococcus and spiru-cayete,

which, yeah. What's gonococcus? It sounds like a magic trick, doesn't it? Gonococcus does not sound like a magic trick, to do it? It sounds like a spell from Harry Potter, does it? Godol-Coccus. I think you're demanding a Darren Brown refund

if he's done the gono caucus on you. It's presumably a bacterium of some kind. They're both microbes. So it's the bacteria of gonorrhea is one of them and the bacterium of syphilis is the other. But he went to the trouble of looking in a dictionary to check up on those words. Right.

Good on him. Do you know you can get a Godot action figure? Oh, cool. Yeah, except it's on Etsy and it's just an empty package. You want to. Goddra and it never arrives. That's it.

It's all got five-star reviews on Etsy, apart from one person who says, I paid for expedited shipping and I still have not received the item. Brilliant. I love that. He was once asked by the director, Alan Schneider,

Beckett was once asked, who is Godot? And Beckett answered, if I knew, I would have said so in the play. Wow. That's great. He's a mystery, wasn't he? Yeah.

Just genuinely, a very mysterious man. He won the Nobel Prize for a little. literature. You'd think. He'd be happy about that. He said it was a catastrophe. His wife said it was a catastrophe. He refused to go to the prize giving

because he was on holiday. And his publisher wrote, Dear Sam and Suzanne, that was his wife, in spite of everything, they have given you the Nobel Prize. I advise you to go into hiding. And the most eminent prize in the world.

Anyway, he seemed absolutely furious about it, although someone did write to him a message from a Mr. George Goddo got in touch with him and said, sorry to keep you waiting. but she must have hated. I bet he cracked a secret smile at that and then just hated himself for it.

He's famously the only Nobel Prize winner to have played first-class cricket. That's a quiz question that comes up quite a lot. He played for Dublin University against Northamptonshire and he played two games. And for some reason, there was just this arbitrary thing where they said, okay, this is a proper professional game now

and all these other games aren't proper professional games. And that's why it counts that he played first-class cricket. But actually, when you read the articles about the matches, it turns out that his team were absolutely shit. And there's no reason at all they should have been a first-class team. Like, the first game they played, the article begins with the university men are by no means a first-class side. They are keen and enthusiastic, but their batting was poor,

their bowling presented no terrors, and their fielding would have been improved by alertness. Right. In the second game they played in a year late, that said in the newspaper, they are weak in all departments of the game and the university were outclassed from start to finish.

Maybe he liked that. He hated the good reviews. Maybe he loved the absolute sledge. We're going to have to move on in a sec to our next step. We haven't mentioned that he was friends with James Joyce and used to wear shoes that were too small for him because he wanted to be like James Joyce. We haven't mentioned that he was in the resistance during the Second World War and almost got, you know,

killed by the Nazis. We haven't mentioned the fact that he was stabbed, by a pimp in Paris. All this stuff, we've got to move on. Was you wearing shoes that were the same size as James Joyce's shoes, or did James Joyce also wear shoes that were too small for him? Same question. That's my question, that's why, yes.

He wanted to wear the same shoes as James Joyce. James Joyce had very narrow feet, and so he wore these shoes that were really, really narrow, even though they didn't fit him. He also, like, would only drink white wine because James Joyce drunk white wine, and he just wanted to be like James Joyce. Because that's so needy.

Imagine how oppressed you. feel if your mate was like that, you know, you dumped them. I think they had a falling out. And it's probably because of that. They claimed it was because James Joyce's daughter fancied him and he didn't return her affections. But I think it was the weird wine drinking shoe wearing shit. I think you might be right. Can I tell you quickly, just back to Oak Calcutta, the play that Beckett submitted this Bree that was called the play to. Kenneth Tinnon wrote to a lot of famous people to try and get them to submit a thing. And one of the people he wrote to was John Lennon. And again, it was meant to be all anonymous, but apparently

this is known that John Lennon did submit a sketch. So he wrote a sketch about masturbation, and it was based on his time when he used to masturbate amongst his friends at a party. This is the sketch right now. Paul McCartney

verifies this story, because in a biography on Paul McCartney called Many Years From Now, this is what he says. Apologies for what I'm about to say. We used to have wanking session when we were young at Nigel Wally's house in Walton, we'd stay overnight and we'd sit in armchairs

and we'd put out all the lights and being teenage pubescent boys, we'd all wank. What we used to do, someone would say, Bridget Bardot, oh, that would keep everyone on par. Then somebody, probably John, would say, Winston Churchill, oh no! And it would completely ruin everyone's concentration. So John, yeah, submitted a wanking.

play to old Calcutta. That actually does sound like a really fun game. I only wish I knew any Beatles songs, because there must be some puns in that summer. Yeah, come together. Okay, we need to move on to our next fact. It is time for fact

number three, and that is James. Okay, my fact this week is that the European road called E-404 doesn't exist. Have you set for it? Yes, I have. It definitely doesn't exist. It was in 1995, the European Parliament decided they were going to build the E-404. It was near Zbrugger in Belgium. And they decided they were going to build it, and they just never did. And so now, if you try to go onto the E-404, plug it into your sat-nav, it will just give you an error message. That's brilliant. So good. Do you know if it predates the error 404 message? 1995, it would not just about it. It's there and thereabouts.

Yeah, yeah. So the error for a message, which is where you go on the computer and you search for a website and it's not there. That was invented by Tim Berners-Lee around the start of the internet, so that will be around the late 80s, early 90s, something like that. So it probably doesn't, yeah. Yeah.

There's a rumor that it was because there was a room at CERN where they were working on the World Wide Web called Room 404, but it's not true. No. And one of the founders, Robert Caillio, Tim Bernadley's colleague, was asked about it, that thing, the room, and he said, I don't even have a hunch about the 404 fascination, and frankly, I don't give a damn. The sort of creativity that goes into 404 response pages is fairly useless.

The mythology is probably due to the irrationality, denial of evidence, and preference for the fairy tale over reality that is quite common in the human species. Oh, my God. Wow. But actually like, barrel of laughs Robert Klaid, what fun. Four or four pages are really important at the start of the internet

because it meant that you could search for something and if you've got the wrong thing, it would just give you something basic. You knew what you were going to get. Otherwise, it could go in some kind of weird loop and you never, you know, it was a really, really important part when they were kind of putting the networks together.

Right. But it's not fucking interesting, James. That's his point. And the fact that you're bothering to discuss it is a waste of his time and yours. Look, the number four. was always used at the start of errors when they were user-created errors

and they would have 401, 4-02-4. Are you trying to me? This isn't interesting either of them? I find that very interesting. And there's a better theory about where 404 comes from. Oh, yeah. Which is that in 1989, they were working on this. There was a flight, Flight 404 that went missing and it was never found.

And so they may have heard on the radio 404's not been found. And in 1990 there was another flight 404 which crashed. So there were two flight 404s, which went wrong. And so... Coincidence? Probably, yes. Yes.

See, I grew up in Hong Kong, and four is a very unlucky number in Asia. It means death or something? Yeah, it sounds like it. Which means death. And, yes, it's the same sound. So room 404 in any hotel does not exist. Let's say for a hotel, room 404. And it's really interesting because 404 doesn't exist.

So obviously the whole of four doesn't exist. So you lose floor four. you would lose floor 13 as well because 13 for any foreign people were coming in they keep to the superstition for foreign builders. You've got one, two, three, five through to 12. Yeah, but then you would also lose any floors

that would have four in the number itself. So 24, 34. In a 100-floor building, it's actually only about 80 floors once you minus all the floors. Does it go from 12 to 15? Because 14 has a 4. Yes, it does.

Are they cheating? You know how they're close? lame to have, in that part of the world, a lot of the tallest buildings in the world. Do you think that they're actually quite squat? Yes. Skipped out loads of floors. Yeah, the surge al-Kalifa is actually only three floors high. It's a bungalow, isn't it?

Yeah. Also, 87 is bad luck in Australia, I think. Is it right? It's 100 minus 13. Yeah. So you lose that. So I don't know about that, but in... Who's annoyed about 87?

Because it's 100 minus 13. Look, Australian cricketers hate 87. And if they ever got that high against England, they would be really upset. There's some sledding. The year 404? Oh yeah. What a year? AD was it? 4.4 AD. Did it not exist?

It did exist. Last gladiator fight in Rome. Apparently, and it was alleged that St. Telemachus tried to stop the fight, the gladiator fight from happening, and was stoned to death by the crowd. Oh. But supposedly, that was the last fight that ever happened there.

I don't understand why it would be the last fight that happened there, They're clearly very passionate about having a fight still. Maybe too passionate, you know? You don't like football hooligans. Maybe they didn't like gladiator hooligans back then. It's like, oh, we're going to stop letting you watch this. That's how you react.

There's a car called the Bristol 404. Oh, yeah? Does it exist? Yes. Oh. But there are only nine. Oh. Okay.

How come? It's very old. But there are still nine registered on British roads. So if you try and search for that, you may find it. But they're really expensive and they're mostly in private hands. So I don't think you will find it. it. I appreciate. I've gone through the ball and threshold here. Andy before we went on stage tonight said, I have a fact so

boring that I need to build up the bravery to say, have we got to it yet? No, we haven't. Buckle up, people. Just, James, you were talking about number E404, the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, e-numbers. Oh, yeah, like additives. Additives. There is an E-404. Does it exist? Yes, it exists.

Right. I'm about to tell you in punishing detail what it is. It's calcium algonate. And it's a gelatinous creamy substance derived from seaweed and used to dress wounds.

And that's not the boring fact. Just wait. It sounds like something you might get at a Beatles party, that. I think you should be dressing wounds with that. God.

How many? You haven't got 404 of these, have you? I haven't. I think I may be out of 404. Maybe we've got something else for a bit. A lot of crying shame. Should we talk about roads? Yeah.

Oh, okay, yeah. Cool. So, weird roads, Hawaii has lots of roads that sort of only half exist because they keep getting covered in lava. Oh. This is, I didn't actually realize that Mount Kiloa has been erupting

basically solidly since 1983 in Hawaii. So it's just been spewing out lava. It had like a little break in 2018, but then in 2018 it suddenly had this, you know, it took a little break and then suddenly had this huge spew and ejected enough lava to fill 320,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools. It buried an area, half a size of Manhattan. And that includes quite a lot of roads.

And the road that suffers the most seems to be this road called the Chain of Crater's Road, which should have known what it was doing when it called itself that. But hang on. I mean, sorry, layperson on roads here, but don't you just leave the road for a bit and then paint over it, and then you can drive along the top of the lava?

I think if you're driving over, like, craters and boulders and stuff. But a dried lava. It's quite bumpy. It's a bumpy ride. Have you ever been to a lava field where the lava's dried? Absolutely not. Oh, well, you wouldn't cycle over, I'll put it that way. Also, they don't just paint roads.

It's like, let's get the paint brush out and paint us in. road. It's a lot that goes into it. It just feels like lava would drive like asphalt. I'm clearly wrong. I'm clearly wrong. It's very lumpy.

You'd need extremely good suspension. Maybe in a monster truck or something, you can get galavanting over it. Right. Yeah. Just put up a sign, monster trucks only on this road. I was actually driving in Hawaii, I remembered.

And there's a sign that says, Beware invisible cows. Oh, cool. Isn't that cool? But not ghost cows. Not ghost cows, no. Oh. cows that are hiding

as in the landscape undulates. I fear this might be a lot more boring than your guesses. It's basically, it gets very misty there and there's lots of cows that walk over the road so you can hit them without seeing them. That's great. They could maybe change the terminology

just to make you understand what you're looking out for. Yeah. I agree with that. Buckle up, kids. There's some spooky ghost cows. I've got such a good email actually a few months ago.

someone called Tom Rex. So thanks to this. But he said, and I think he's just spotted this, the road to Armageddon is, to drive to Armageddon, you have to go on road 6, 6 and 6. So Armageddon comes from Haar Megido, which means Mount Megito, and that's a place in Israel, Mount Magidu.

And if you drive there from Jerusalem or Tel Aviv where most places in Israel, then you take, just by complete coincidence, take Route 6, and then you change onto Route 66. Amazing. Isn't that cool? That is con. Does that mean? Does that mean the world is going to end?

I'll refer you to Robert Kylo, who says the sort of creativity that goes into this is useless. The mythology is due to the irrationality, denial of evidence, and preference of the fairy tale over reality that is common in the human species. Thanks, Bob. I found a few random road names, like Error 404. I was thinking, what else? So there's a road in Alabama called This Ain't It Road. There's a place called Error Place, which is in Cincinnati as well.

And then I got distracted because there were places like weener cut off road. And then this is my favorite, far from poop and road. And this is a real road. And it's in a township called Fanny in America. And Fanny, obviously, meaning your bum in America. So far from poop and road. And the reason it's called that is because it's the closest road that gets you to a place called Constipation Ridge.

And I went on Google Maps, and it's all there. It's all real. These are real places. Why it's called that? The road is always blocked at constipation rich. All right, listen, we need to move on to our final fact of the show.

It is time for our final fact, and that is Anna. My fact this week is that in 2001 in Newfoundland, a golden retriever chased after a coyote and was never seen again. Now, Newfoundland

has its own population of white coyotes. What are you saying about this? What am I implying? This was some research It was done by someone called Carl Zimmer who was looking into these amazing white coyotes in Newfoundland. They don't exist anywhere else.

They've sort of just appeared and they're not albino, they've still got pigment in their skin and in their eyes, they've just got white fur and they've looked at their genes and they found that they've got this specific mutation on a gene and the other place, the other significant place that this mutation on this specific gene exists

is in golden retrievers and it's what makes them yellow. And in the same way, it's what's making these coyotes white. And Zimmer realized that in Newfoundland, in March 2001, there were news reports of a guy whose golden retriever went galloping off down a hill after a coyote. It's beautiful. It's quite sweet. It could be a Disney film, couldn't it?

They're called coy dogs, aren't they, when a coyote has sex with a dog? Yeah. And that's what they create. And a coy carp, of course, is when a coyote has sex with a carp. Highly prized. And in Mexico they used to breed coy dogs on purpose in Tioti Wachan, which is like one of the main cities that they had in the Mayan area. They would have the coyote and the dogs. They would make them together and it meant that they had them as guardian animals.

So they were really fierce, but they were also loyal. So it's a way of domestication, but crossing it domestic. Yeah, so you still have something that's really fierce like a coyote, but then you have the kind of domestic side. of the dog. That's very clever. Yeah, it's clever. Nice. You want to make sure you don't breathe something that's like really pathetic but also like really fickle. How do you know you're not going to get the opposite of both? Yeah, yeah. That's the rescue take. There's the coy wolf as well. So that's a coyote wolf obviously. And wolf populations were dwindling and it seems like wolves basically got a bit less choosy in who they were mating

with and coyotes were spreading. And it's not, it's also known as the eastern coyote. but it's definitely a cross. It's 10% dog, 25% wolf, and the remainder is coyote. Wow. They're twice the size of a coyote, which is a fox size-ish.

Yeah, they basically, coyotes kind of fill the... In the UK, we get foxes kind of going in cities and kind of going in bins and stuff, and coyotes in America, especially North America, they kind of do that same thing there, don't they?

Yeah. They're so good at navigating cities and generally adapting to human expansion. I think they're the only carnival that's growing up. growing, like his populations are really growing exponentially everywhere, even though Americans are trying to exterminate them because they're thought of as pests.

But they, yeah, they do really well in cities, maybe even better than birds, and they do this thing where they navigate the traffic brilliantly. So they look both ways before crossing the street. Very impressive. They'll run across half a road and then stop in the middle because, you know, the traffic's coming the other direction, sprint across the other way.

And they even know if they come to a one-way street, they only look in the direction that the traffic's coming from. Wow. Also, just in terms of, like, let's say their populations are going up, they do this crazy thing, coyotes, which is that they have the ability to change the number of the litter that they're going to give birth to based on the howls of a coyote. So this is a thing where, let's say there are coyotes where they're being culled

or they're being reduced by natural predators or because of humans. They can do a callout. So a male will be like, coyote call. I can't remember how they speak. How? How? Yeah, I think they're how. Coyote.

Oh, okay. Like that. So, yeah, so they do the... And once they do that, they can understand, based on responses, what the population size is within the community. Oh, how interesting. And so if you, let's say,

you were culling the coyote communities by 70% by the next time that they had given birth as in the time frame that they would need, they would be back up to the population size because they can jump from 5% to... to six litter that they would usually have up to 12 to 16. This core causes an autogenic response basically and they can just up the numbers.

It's unbelievable. It's not, wow. It's magic. It's magic. It's like a hydra. You just chop off its head and 17 more heads appear. Pretty much is, yeah. And they're very crafty too.

They're extremely wily. So Wiley Coyote, obviously, cartoon character, but genuinely, they're wily. So there was a biologist called John Way, who was trying to trap some for research purposes. and he found they would take the meat off the trap and they wouldn't spring it. Incredibly annoying. Another scientist called Robert Crabtree was trying to find one in the late 90s

and he had his own personal Moby Dick Coyote which he could never get. So annoying. It would dig up the trap and flip it over and then leave it alone. That's how, you know, or it would scrape off the dirt that he'd laid carefully on the trap.

It would poo on the trap and then he'd leave it alone. There was one time where I don't understand this fully. Crabtree was in a helicopter trying to drop a net on this one specific coyote and it jumped up,

tried to bite the helicopter and then just ran away and he never caught it. He never caught it. Is it that this coyote is really smart or that this guy is pretty dumb? If Robert Crabtree ever came up against a roadrunner, for instance,

he's fucked. Wiley Coyote. A lot of misconceptions in that. Cartoon, for example, coyotes can outrun roadrunners by twice the speed makes no sense. It should be the other way around.

Who would have thought that was not a David Attenborough documentary I was watching. Okay, what do you think the E. Wiley Coyote's name stands for? Oh, is it like, is it the European additives? Yeah, E404.

Calcium Alginate is what? No, it's actually... Edith. Oh, so close. Ethelbert. Oh, yeah. Just, you know, it's not interesting. but worth knowing, yeah.

Nice. So the thing about them being wily or crafty is just a conception of coyotes that's been around forever. And so if you go, if you look back at Native American law almost across America before Europeans arrived there, they're known as kind of tricksters.

And they're probably the most important animal to a lot of Native American tribes, one of the most important. And yeah, they're like this cheeky, yeah, trickster. Exactly the same as kind of Loki or Mercury. I find it really interesting. all mythology, we always have this naughty boy who's doing bad stuff. He is a very naughty boy, though, the coyote and some Native American stories.

Yeah. There's a book called Tales of Coyote, the Trickster, American Indian folklore, and I read the reviews of it. Someone said, we bought this book for our fourth graders who are learning about folklore. We read reviews saying, great for all ages, but one quick peek into the book, and you will quickly agree that is not great for all ages. There is literally a whole section about coyotes. amorous adventures.

The amount of times the word penis, vagina and horny and other inappropriate euphemism show up in his book is alarming four stars. Killed the time very nicely while waiting for my Godot to arrive. This doesn't sound like the traditional

Native American historic coyote Shat. I mean he was like he had a detachable penis that he would send around to have sex with people. The coyote. Oh the coyote? Really? Yeah. Handy. Gosh. Because there's one very cool story. in Chinookan,

which are people from Oregon, tale, which is about how coyote learned to catch salmon and coyote. So coyote was actually a kind of half person,

half coyote sort of godlike figure. And coyote defecates while trying to catch salmon and his own feces starts mocking him and laughing at him

for how shit he is at fishing. He's like, your shit. No, your shit. I'm supposed to be. And then this blump of pooh takes pity offers him advice

for how to catch and how to cook salmon, which I don't know if you take culinary tips from a poo, but he does, and then he succeeds for a while, then he fails again, and so as before, he thinks, what am I going to do? Does another big poo.

And his poo tell, gives him some more in-depth instructions this time for exactly how to fish and where to fish. And, you know, that's how the coyote learned to fish. Wow, that sounds great. That's incredible. There was another thing called coyote way, which was like coyote illness.

and the idea was that if you killed a coyote or even if you touched a coyote you could get this kind of weird illness Is it where cooties come from? No. I don't think. I mean, I'm guessing that it's not because that would be amazing but it's basically

if you touch this coyote you would get this real illness the various things that could happen to you, you get a twisted mouth, cross-eyed vision, loss of memory, fainting, mania and prostitution. A bit of a clock twist at the end there Oh no

It's not my fault officer I touched a coyote earlier today I'm sure you can understand Mr Hugh Grant You're not Coyotes have a lot of encounters with celebrities There are rashes of stories Yeah rashes of stories about celebrity coyote encounters

So for example In 2010, Rick Perry, who stood for president in 2016, he shot a coyote while on a jog because it was threatening his puppy and apparently he carries a pistol sometimes when going for a jog. Is that like a coyote and Rick Perry having an...

It's an altercation rather than the meeting each other, isn't it? It's true. Yeah, it's not much of an encounter. Well, in 2009, Ozzy Osbourne's pet Pomeranian dog was eaten by a coyote. And he didn't hear it because he was watching a Michael Jackson Memorial show on TV. Right. Oh, and that was live.

That was live. So, which means, if you were watching it, we all know where we were when Ozzy Osmonds' dog was eaten by a coyote. Exactly. Wow. I think very...

Does anyone in this audience know where they were the day that Michael Jackson documentary was broadcast live? No, exactly. Okay. One more, one more. In 2015, Steven Spielberg's sister Nancy

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