No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As Chariots in Space

Episode Date: December 9, 2016

Dan, James, Anna and Alex discuss placebo pharmacies, Britain's 17th century space program, and the robot that cheats at Rock, Paper, Scissors. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:02 This is an other episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber. I am sitting here with Anna Chazinski, James Harkin, and Alex Bell. And once again, we have gathered round the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. And in no particular order, here we go. Starting with you, James. My fact this week is that scientists, that MIT have invented an artificial intelligence that can see into the future, but it can only tell two seconds into the future.
Starting point is 00:00:51 Totally used us. What's it reported back? It knew you were going to say that. So this is really cool. So what they did was they got this algorithm to watch TV shows like the office and the Big Bang theory. Okay. And it watched what people did when they met each other. So did you go in for a hug or a kiss or a handshake or a high five?
Starting point is 00:01:14 And then when you showed them a picture of two people coming near each other, it could work out what they were going to do, whether they were going to high five, whether they were going to hug, whether they were going to kiss or whatever. So that's basically as far as this has gone so far. It's so pretty good for an AI. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:28 And I'm surprised it was able to do this based on the office and the Big Bang theory, both of which are about totally socially inept people, who I wouldn't have thought give those correct cues. It's not the best source material to use for an AI. Maybe AI feel more comfortable. watching something closer to their kind of robotic way. So it's like, okay, we're not so different, you and us humans. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:47 Yeah. And also, I think that is quite a useful thing because how many times have you gone in for a hug to someone and they tried to high five you and slap you in the face or, you know, or the kiss slash handshake thing is pretty awkward at times. Well, in the article it said that the AI could only get it right 43% of the time, which I was reading wasn't very high, but then I realized I get it right about maybe 2% of the time. apparently normal humans get it right 71% of the time but obviously that doesn't apply to you
Starting point is 00:02:14 I think is Alex goes in for the kiss every single time and it will get better won't it because it'll keep on watching it'll get better and 43% of the time versus 71% of the time is not that bad considering all they've done is got it to watch these two things whereas most humans have had a lot of social interaction to get to where we are which is still not that good
Starting point is 00:02:35 the thing it might do in hospitals if it gets really good is anticipate a couple of seconds in advance whether someone, for instance, is about to fall over like an old person on the way to the loo and then swoop in and catch them. Maybe they should show him lots of episodes of Miranda where she falls down all the time.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Intermediate level, you can see it coming a mile off. If it was Miranda, it would try to save you every step you took. Yeah, if you saw a Mr. Bean episode, it'd probably either explode or not let you out the house if it was a robot. Check this out. There's another AI robotic thing which plays scissors paper rock and beats humans 100% of the time. No, it doesn't. It has 100%.
Starting point is 00:03:19 It breaks the rules, though. This makes me so angry at this machine. It doesn't break the rules. Yeah, it does. It waits to see what you're doing and then very quickly. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, that's not quite right. Because it technically is doing that. But if you're a good game player as well, you would be looking at someone's hand to monitor where you think they're going to go. So it has a camera on it which is able to work out hand movements of people
Starting point is 00:03:40 and what most likely handshape they're about to take. But it can make a split second decision so that it's at the same time. Is it a microsecond afterwards? Because it's seen the way your hand is moving, so it's decided a micro second afterwards. Is it not indistinguishable to humans? Of course, but it is cheating. That's not cheating. It is because rock paper scissors is fundamentally a game of chance.
Starting point is 00:03:58 It's like a coin sauce, you're supposed to try and, you use it to decide things. I, no, because all it's doing is it's calling your tell, It's seeing the handshape that you're bringing. That is not cheating. It is. 100% of the time becomes cheating because you can work out what's more or less likely. 100% mean it's cracked it. It knows how to win a game.
Starting point is 00:04:16 It's done the impossible. This is war. Wait, what is James take? What do you think? Do you know how we should decide it? It does look like you're about to high five, Dan, but I'm not sure that that's what's going to happen. So a robot was arrested recently in September for taking part in a political rally. Seems a bit dodgy.
Starting point is 00:04:35 This was in Russia. And this is actually a robot that I think it might have come up before. You guys might have heard about its promo bot. And it's the one that escaped from its enclosure twice in, I think, about July this year. Oh yeah. But didn't we work out that that was actually the clues in the name, promo. Yeah, the promo bot. But then it did it again.
Starting point is 00:04:54 And then the mechanics at PromoBot said that they were trying to reprogram it to stop it escaping. So they're just really sticking to their story. But now it's taken part in a political rally because this robot supported parliamentary. candidate Valerie Kalachev. So we went to Moscow and started collecting people's views on politics, asking them what they thought. Again, it escaped, you did it by itself, and we're just going around interviewing people.
Starting point is 00:05:15 I believe it might have been programmed to do this part. I dreamed to be a political correspondent. After it was arrested, did it escape from prison? It probably has done now, yeah. They did put handcuffs on it, apparently. They must have like idiots, those policemen handcuffing a robot. That would have been a fun moment
Starting point is 00:05:31 of an otherwise, probably depressing, arresting situation. It's one of the highlights of your Korean. I had to like handcuff, you know, 25 people at a political protest, but I did handcuff a robot and actually really made me smile. This was just one bit of delight. You're right. Also in robot news, they have set this year in July a new dancing robot Guinness World Record.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Is it? A thousand and seven robots danced together for a minute and that was what was needed. And so that it was a synchronized. eyes. You can see a video online. It's really cool. It was in China and it was a, it was at a Qing Tao beer festival. So it was, I guess they were trying to just get headlines for it. But you can see all these tiny little robots, the kinds that you would buy in a shop that make sort of small movements. They're all doing a dance and some fall over so they're discounted, but they're still dancing while they're toppled over. I wonder if it'd count, you know those like a flower and when
Starting point is 00:06:27 you play music, they just kind of dance to the music. Do you remember them from the last? Yes. If you put a thousand and fifty of those down, would that be able to technically be, the record. I think they're effectively, that's the robots effectively that they used anyway. They were built to dance. They can't do anything else. Yeah, so they put down a thousand 40, but they lost 33. I have danced with a robot.
Starting point is 00:06:49 You have, have Asimov, right? Asimov. Sorry, Asimov. No, yeah, we had Asimo, who was built by Honda, I think, was he? And he came on QI, and during the warm up, I did a little dance with him. And he kind of just follows
Starting point is 00:07:05 your dance patterns, I think. I think that's how it worked. I know a thing about Asamo, which a guest on our show from quite a few episodes ago, Levin Skira, Belgian comedian and scientist, he was telling me that Asimo, they've programmed him to speak something like, I don't know, let's say 30 languages, it might be less, so that whenever they bring him over to different countries for conferences, he's able to do a lecture in their language. But he has one special setting for when he's in Italy, which is that they've programmed his arms to gesticulate so that when he's talking, it feels more because that's how in Italy they feel more humanized than the robot standing still. That's quite cool, isn't it? Yeah, he's really good. Yeah, I love it. And he's also watched
Starting point is 00:07:43 episodes of the office so he can do the David Brent dance. Okay, here's something amazing about telling the future. Okay. There was a study done by a US intelligence group called the Good Judgment Project. And what they did is they got a load of people about more than two, thousand people and they started asking them things about world events like will Robert Mugabe still be the head of Zimbabwe in two years time or whatever like a load of different things and a lot of people made guesses and eventually they siphoned off the top two percent who were doing the best and then they put them in a separate group and compared them to everyone else and found that that
Starting point is 00:08:22 group was four times more accurate than anyone else and they're saying that this proves that in humans there is a thing called super forecasters. And these are people who are better than normal humans at foreseeing the future. Wow. And are they all on Brighton Pier
Starting point is 00:08:38 with a crystal ball charging people £10 to make their fortune? It's weird. They all had different jobs. Like one of the best ones was a pharmacist. They come from different walks of life and everything. So we need to round these people up and take them to the Met Office
Starting point is 00:08:50 and they should all be the weather forecasters if they're definitely better. My God, is that how you would use people who have this incredible ability? In my new world order. we found a human who could see into the future take him to the Met Office immediately he's warning us about a massacre
Starting point is 00:09:06 and no is it going to be cloudy and apparently what these guys are particularly good at is being open-minded which you can kind of imagine it means that they don't let their world views judge their predictions and also they change their mind fast
Starting point is 00:09:25 and often so whenever To like correct their wrong prediction Yeah Well it is kind of like that So they get something wrong one time And a normal human might kind of stubbornly stick With the same similar kind of predictions
Starting point is 00:09:40 But then these people go Well actually you know I've seen that that happens in the past now So I'm going to change my mind this time Oh okay I was thinking more like football matches Where they're like okay Manchester United is going to win this one Liverpool school and they're like Do you know what I'm actually thinking that maybe Or I'm going to go for rock
Starting point is 00:09:54 No scissors We need to put one of those people against the machine. Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is Alex. My fact this week is that Big Ben is falling over. We should get out of here. We're not that close. No, we're out of reach.
Starting point is 00:10:18 What do you mean? Okay, well, technically the Elizabeth Tower, not Big Ben, obviously. Don't write in. But when they built it, when they built the House of Parliament, they built it straight, obviously. And then I think as soon as the building settled, it was a little bit leaning. and it's got linear and linear, as in it's been leaning over more and more
Starting point is 00:10:35 away from the House of Parliament, and they've worked out that if it keeps falling over at the rate it is falling over, in about 4,000 years' time, it'll be leaning as much as the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Really? How many years? 4,000. So it's not like super urgent. So they are going to restore it now, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:10:51 There's this big houses of Parliament restoration going on, which is costing billions, and they're about to start working on that as well, the Elizabeth Tower. So anyone overseas who wants to see it, it's pure unscatholded form, you better get over quick because beginning of January 2017, they're going to start scaffolding. Yeah, and it's going to be scaffolded for three years, but it's going to take six months to just put the scaffolding up.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Is that nuts? Yeah, six months. What, and they're going to push it back the right way? No, I think they're doing basic restoration. I don't think they can do anything about that. I don't think so, no. But it's causing cracks in the offices next to it because it's basically pulling the wall away. They're going to fill those up for a start. The Big Ben Tower has a prison in it that they keep. naughty MPs in. Does it? What?
Starting point is 00:11:33 What? They have a prison room. If an MP breaches codes of conduct, they'll get put in there. And the last time it was used in 1880 was when Charles Bradlaw,
Starting point is 00:11:43 an atheist, refused to swear allegiance to Queen Victoria on the Bible. Wow. And who's kept in the prison room overnight. And no MP... Every hour, every quarter of an hour.
Starting point is 00:11:52 It rings. You're right. You're not going to get much sleep, I'd be torture. That's like... It's like how they play Barney, Guantanamo. Yes.
Starting point is 00:12:00 That'll be why MPs behave so well these days is because they're terrified of the noise. It used to make a different sound, didn't it? When it was originally built, it chimed differently. So it was built in May 1859. It didn't go bong? No, so it was made and the thing that crashes into the bell to make the bonging sounds worked for a few weeks and then immediately broke the bell and the crack in the bell is still there from where it broke it. And so they had to realign it, didn't they? Which for some reason took them three or four years. And then they made it bang the bell on a different point of it. So We'll never hear the tone that Big Ben originally made.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Did you know that the Big Ben chimes have words? They have lyrics. No, they do. Yeah, they do. It's, uh... It's half past two. It's quarter to nine. No.
Starting point is 00:12:44 It's all through this hour, Lord be my guide. And by thy power, no foot shall slide. Hang on, but it doesn't say that... I've never heard those words broadcasting to London. No, they're often performed. No, yeah, that's true. Here's another one. Play up Pompey.
Starting point is 00:12:56 The Potsmouth fans sing, play up Pompey. Pompey play up. like that. Oh, really? Same tune. Just playoff as in play better. So Pompey. Oh, Pompey is a nickname for Partsmith FC.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Got it. Did you know that you can hear Big Ben chime before it chimes? Oh, that's, is that those future predicting people again? No, it's not. No, it's absolutely not. Because that's an easy prediction. I feel like it's going to chime in about five seconds. It's not, no.
Starting point is 00:13:22 So the BBC, for anyone who doesn't know, the BBC broadcast the Bongs live at 6 o 6 o'clock every day. Yeah. So they have a speaker. installed inside the tower and that has direct link to the BBC Broadcasting Centre. So if you have an FM radio and you go and stand even really close to Big Ben, so like on Westminster Bridge for example and you listen to the FM radio, the FM radio signals are so much faster than the sound waves in the air that the sound of the bong will go into the microphone all the way to the BBC and be broadcast all way to your radio faster than it just coming through
Starting point is 00:13:54 the air at you. So if you were standing on Westminster Bridge and you listen to an FM radio and big band chimed, you would hear it on the radio a split second before you would actually hear it in your other ear. That's really cool. It's really cool. Yeah. Well done the radio. Doesn't get enough appreciation today on the internet. It's so impressive. Do you know on Wikipedia there's a big long list of leaning towers? So you can just see every leaning tower in the world. That's good. There's a nice one in Australia. This is called the leaning tower of Jinjin. It's purposefully built to be leaning and it's built at the gravity discovery center and they wanted to make it so that when you went to the Gravity Discovery Center that you could replicate by climbing the top Galileo's
Starting point is 00:14:32 experiments on the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Yeah, so you could actually go up and you drop stuff down a shoot. So the idea with Galileo is that he supposedly, although we don't think this happens, dropped two bowls from the Leaning Tower of Pisa and they were different weights but they landed at the same time and that was proof that things will fall at the same rate, not dependent on the mass. You know buildings in Amsterdam tilt deliberately as well? Do they? And do you know where is? No. So these are buildings in Amsterdam that face the canal. They're many hundreds of years old and the reason they're built at a slight tilt is that they're tilting towards the canal and that's so that they could winch goods up from the canal to the upper windows.
Starting point is 00:15:10 And it's also so that if houses flooded, which they often did, then the first couple of floors might get full of water and you need to evacuate your goods really quickly and faster than carrying them all upstairs was if you just got them onto a platform outside the window and winch those goods up to a higher level. And the only way you can do that without breaking the windows on the way up and having it crash into the wall is to have the building lean so that you can pull the goods up directly. Yeah, because if you go to Amsterdam, you see that a lot of the houses have got winches on the front of them, haven't they? At the very top, they got a little winch. And the reason was, I think this is right. I might be wrong, but I think they came up with their law that the amount of tax you paid was dependent on the front of your house, how wide that was. And so people wanted really, really thin houses so they paid less tax. And so they would be thin and long and they would be tall as well. So that was. fine but then they needed to get, if you need to get a sofa up to the top floor, that's going to be really tough because you're going to have a really thin staircase going up there. So the way they did it was to winch it all up. And if you look now in Amsterdam, they have all these winches at the
Starting point is 00:16:11 top of the houses. This is so cool. I feel like our facts have just married each other, met and married. They also actually, in Amsterdam they had to have a lot, preventing houses from being too tilted in the end because everyone was going, you know, 45 degree angles. Actually, it's a really thin house, but it's tilted 90 degrees. There's a tilted structure in Yucaternburg in Russia. It's a massive TV tower, and it is the tallest abandoned structure in the world. They started building it. They got it really, really high, and then the Soviet Union fell,
Starting point is 00:16:44 and then they were like, okay, we're not going to do this anymore, and it's still there. Unintentionally leaning? Yeah, unintentional. It's very slightly leaning. And did the Soviet Union fall, because it itself? was on... It was leaning too far to the left. My friend, who you all know, Marina, is from Yucatrimburg, and this is right near her house, and she says that everyone from there absolutely hates it and really wants it to get pulled down
Starting point is 00:17:08 as soon as possible. Well, just give it a nudge. Sounds like... One of the buildings that is on the list of the list of leaning towers on Wikipedia is this one that is a current story, it's a news story, the San Francisco Millennium Tower, so they're still trying to deal with it. It keeps leaning further and further because it's sinking into the ground. And it was found out, it was about six years ago they started noticing it was a lady called Pamela Buttery, who was up in her room and she was, it's, she was on the 57th floor and she was trying to play
Starting point is 00:17:35 golf in her room. And every time she put the ball down, it just dribbled away from her towards the end of the room. And she had to go and collect it. And she's like, why, what's wrong with my floor? It's a bit annoying for Pamela Buttery, because presumably if she's got tilting floors, she's going to be slipping all over them all the time. Yeah. But yeah, so that's... Whenever she falls over, she'll fall face down as well. Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is Jusinski.
Starting point is 00:18:07 My fact this week is that when aspirin tablets were first introduced, people were unsure how to take them, so one patient ended up strapping them to his head to cure a headache. Did it work? We actually have no reports on that. So I read this in an article in The Independent from 2005 by a journalist called David Randall, and I'd love to know more on it. So, David, if you're listening, please get in touch. But this was a drug called Aspro, and this was devised in 1915,
Starting point is 00:18:35 and it was called Aspero because the Aspirin name was taken by Bayer. But it was the same as Aspirin. So Aspirin is, it's like saying Jacozy or Hoover. They are. Technically, yeah, but didn't Bayer lose the copyright to lose the trademark to it? because they literally let anyone use it and they never sued anyone. I think they lost it in the Treaty of Versailles. Yeah, really weird.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Yes. Well, actually, the interesting thing about Germans and aspirin is that its invention is put down to a guy called Felix Hoffman. And if you look at Bayer's official history of aspirin, it still says that he invented it. And actually, it's pretty much widely accepted now since about 1999 that it was, in fact, created and tested by a guy called Arthur Aikengrun. And I'm probably pronouncing that wrong. and he tested it in 1890 and he wrote a paper in 1949 saying that he just told Hoffman what to do
Starting point is 00:19:25 Hoffman didn't even know what he was doing but Aiken Grom was Jewish and so he wasn't ever included in the official narrative and Hoffman was this Aryan kind of guy and it didn't come out until just over 10 years ago and still if you look it up Hoffman is the person who's mainly credited as inventing it
Starting point is 00:19:41 I thought it was Hoffman I was just thinking by strapping your aspirin to your head it might work still as a placebo yeah that's what I was thinking I bet the person did feel better. Yeah, I have done. Is it individual tablets or just the whole box? It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:19:53 If you believed it was going to work, you could strap an empty box to your head and it would still work a little bit. Yeah. For me to believe it, I'd need the aspirin to be touching my skin. I think I'd have to take it out of the packaging, yeah. Okay. Otherwise, yeah, is a placebo pharmacy as you just stare at the product behind the counter and just visualize them going into you. That'd be great.
Starting point is 00:20:12 I've got a magic pharmacy. All these things work from a distance. You'd only have to take any of them. Yeah. You get the placebo effect. And my business goes immediately out of business because I don't sell anything. Yes. You can charge them to look.
Starting point is 00:20:24 And you can charge them more to look at branded aspirin than you charge them to look at unbranded. And that's true because branded aspirin does better, doesn't it, than non-branded aspirin? Because people believe that it's somehow more potent because it's got a brand attached to it. It is insane that literally the same thing in Tesco cost 30p that also cost three pounds or whatever. And people so often buy the three pounds. And Tesco even colours it. So it looks like the Neurophon package. And then it makes its aspirin red
Starting point is 00:20:50 so it looks like branded aspirin packet. It actually does work. So you pay an extra actually makes it work better. There was a study by Braithwaite and Cooper in 1981 that showed that that was true. And I was thinking it's good that they don't make the tablets themselves silver. Because imagine you're being attacked by a werewolf,
Starting point is 00:21:06 you accidentally mistaken your aspirin tablets with your silver bullets that you're using to kill it. And then you end up just curing. That's the problem, isn't it? But instead, they've made them look like children's sweets. I can't see the risk with that. It's not nearly as dangerous of the werewolf situation. I think we can all agree.
Starting point is 00:21:22 Hey, I was reading in the new QI book, the fact book, there's a fact in there that I've been thinking about for weeks, which I just think it's so odd that I can't believe that it's true. 95% of people on Earth have at least one thing wrong with them. So that's quite amazing, but flip that round. That means there are 5% of people on this planet with absolutely nothing wrong with them. How is that possible? Yeah, I don't think it can be. That is impossible, right?
Starting point is 00:21:47 5% of people are like, how are you? absolutely fine. It's impossible. But maybe they're just people who are extremely stoic. And so when they asked them in the survey, they said what's wrong with you? They're like, fine, I'm fine. Just their organs hanging out. Collapse, can't move. Fine and fine.
Starting point is 00:22:07 But yeah, anyway, so sorry, just to round up, apparently it was the first thing that was it was the first medicine that was sold en masse in tablet form and so it wasn't widely accepted, even though I think people have been swallowing things for hundreds of years. It wasn't widely accepted this would be the way to swallow it. And like I say, I couldn't find any more information on this poor man who's strapped one to his head. So if anyone knows him, it's descended from him.
Starting point is 00:22:27 He died of a headache immediately afterwards, and so he was never heard of again. Aspirin is called a wonder drug by a lot of people, because it's been very recently discovered that it does all these other incredible things. So a lot of people over a certain age or with blood clotting issues are told to take an aspirin a day because it stops platelets from clotting. And a third of... That sounds like a really crap version of an apple a day. keeps the top there away. And aspirin a day keeps the platelets from clotting. Yay.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Does the trick. But a third of all people who are at risk from cardiac arrest or cardiac incident will not have that cardiac incident if they take an aspirin every day. Isn't that amazing? Apparently, if your car is broken down. It can't fix a car down. You just strap it to the top of the car. Apparently, if you can't, if you haven't got any jump leads on you
Starting point is 00:23:18 and no one is passing by to help you, and you happen to have some aspirin on you, if you put the aspirin, two tablets, into the battery itself, the, basically the sulfuric acid within the battery will mix with the aspirin, and it will kickstart it back into life. I read this in the Reader's Digest article.
Starting point is 00:23:36 I haven't tested it. I can't give first any truth. The fact of the dosage is the same for cars and humans. Take two. Every four hours, we'll keep your car running. It does say drop two aspirin tablets. Another thing, it helps to get running. is a collider, like not the Large Hadron Collider,
Starting point is 00:23:52 but there is another Collider in Illinois. They're little switches. They put aspirins on. And the idea is if there was a leak, the water would drop down. It would dissolve the aspirin, and then the switches would be able to switch back, and it would turn off automatically.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Oh, so it's kind of like those old resistors or trip switch or something, when the metal is supposed to, basically, it destroys the connection if the current's too strong. Yeah, it's like a fuse box kind of thing. Wow. We're getting near the end of the year,
Starting point is 00:24:16 and obviously New Year's Eve, in America, there's huge traditions of dropping things in Manhattan, sorry, in New York, Times Square. It's the, what they drop the ball. There's a place in America called Myers Town in Pennsylvania where you can see a giant aspirin tablet dropped. That's new. Yeah, and that brings us into the New Year. And the reason is because the Bayer Healthcare plant is there.
Starting point is 00:24:42 And so it's such a big part of the town and probably employs so many people who live there. So yeah, they just drop a giant... Into a giant glass of water? Into a giant mouth. Is it real aspirin? Like if I went and chipped some off, would that serve my... No, no, that would be so cool, though, but no, it's fake. They do... It's really weird.
Starting point is 00:25:01 There's a list you can go on of things that are dropped at New Year in America. And Pennsylvania has so many. So in certain places, you can see a beaver dropped, a canal boat dropped, Indy car dropped. It's like a theme that each town has on their own. Wow. Yeah, but one is the aspirin. Poor old beaver.
Starting point is 00:25:16 It's a stuffed beaver. It's not a real beaver. Yeah, but still poor old beaver who got killed and stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. And that's in Beaver Town. Is it? In Pennsylvania. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Starting point is 00:25:34 Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show. And that is my fact. My fact this week is that the first British plans to put a human on the moon was made by Oliver Cromwell's brother-in-law. This is so cool. So this is back in the, um, 1600s. Yeah, he wouldn't have really had the means to do so, I don't think. No, he didn't at all. I mean, I think you're right. Yeah. This is Dr. John Wilkins. This is not a, this is not in any way a nutcase of who just, we happen to have found documents of some crazy machine that was built.
Starting point is 00:26:04 This is a really respected clergyman philosopher, author, helped found the Royal Society. It was a really big deal back in the day. He's quite a famous polymath, I think. Yeah, he was. Yeah. And he was, he was a big champion of sort of the latest ideas about space and one of the... What were the latest ideas about space in the 17th century? Well, so, I mean, I guess Galileo had telescopes trained at the moon and he was very much, he wrote two books about the moon and his thoughts about what actually was going on. He thought it was a solid object and he got a lot wrong, but you always do in those,
Starting point is 00:26:36 you know, when there's limited science and you're trying to break around. Although to be clear, the moon is a solid object. That was one of the things he did not get wrong, right? What? So how did he try and get to the moon? Okay. So his idea was that you could build a space chariot. And he was using obviously the technology of his time.
Starting point is 00:26:53 And his theory was that as soon as you got 20 miles up into the air, magnetism of Earth and gravity loses itself. So that's why you can stay up there. The reason he thought that is because why do clouds stay in the air? And he thought as high as they were, that's where you no longer suffered to the pull of Earth's magnetism. I mean, that's pretty good logic, considering the information you had available at the time.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah. So he thought if you could just get up to the air, to that point, then you'd be able to float off into space and go to the moon and you would adjust to the air and you'd breed the air of angels. This is where the kind of religious side comes in, but it made sense that that's how angels breathed. They just got used to it. And then you go to the moon and you would trade for spices and so on with the people who lived on the moon. He thought there were people that might live on the moon and we could trade with them. And sorry, this very easy problem of getting the initial 20 miles up into the air, how was
Starting point is 00:27:41 he surmounting that? Well, okay. So the flying chariot. Yeah, so the flying chariot. So it was it was meant to use clockwork gears. It was gunpowder. The idea was that it was going to be propelled using gunpowder. And springs. And springs. Yeah. The Acme space chariot.
Starting point is 00:27:57 But he was a very rational, sensible person in this age. That was actually kind of a perfectly reasonable thing to think. And his greatest interest was making a unifying language for the world, wasn't it? So he did lots of work on creating what we have now Esperanto, which obviously we all speak. He also designed a decimal system, which the metric system was then based on and built off. Oh, yeah. His language was quite interesting. Every time you added a new letter to a word, it would change the meaning, but your meaning would be related to the previous word.
Starting point is 00:28:31 So the word D, D would be an element, but then when you put a B on the end, Deb, that would mean fire. And then deba would mean a flame. So each one was related to the previous. and the whole idea of it was you would be able to see a word and knowing the basic building blocks of how his language works you could work out pretty much what it kind of meant. So if it began with D, you would know it was in this part of, you know, semantics and if it began with X, you would know this or with J, you would know that.
Starting point is 00:29:03 That's clever. So to a much smaller extent, you can do that with English and that you know if something is, you know, it's got a diminutive on the front or a kind of like something, like it has been suffixes. But the core word is usually completely random or comes from a really. random source so you can't deduce it right from the beginning. Sure. So I suppose if you hear a word that has hydro at the start of it, you know it's going to be something to do with water. Didn't he also say that eating wouldn't be necessary when we got to space because there's no
Starting point is 00:29:28 gravity and the reason we have to eat on earth is that gravity pulls your food through your body and makes it fall out. So you have to keep eating more. So wonderful, but he was genuinely, I mean, I have to say, when I saw this fact, I thought Wait a minute. So there are some animals whose mouth and anus are on about the same level, like a dog, for instance, or a cat. Yeah. Maybe he tried to train animals not to sit down, because as soon as they sit down,
Starting point is 00:29:52 that suddenly gravity. You're right. Dogs don't poo when they're standing up, do they? They kind of move their bum down. Oh, my God. Of course they do. It all makes sense. Maybe he was right.
Starting point is 00:30:03 But he didn't like all of this theoretical stuff. He worked out the distance to the moon to a degree of accuracy of 99.9% using just trigonometry. That is incredible. He's so impressive. And I'm quite surprised that of the British space program, that there's not a big statue of this guy outside. We don't really have that much of a space program.
Starting point is 00:30:23 We have one that goes all the way back to the 17th century. And it kind of ended there. That's true. We've done pretty much something. We have the Prospero satellite. We've got one British-made satellite that was launched the British Made rocket. Everything else is basically we've given something. Everything else is
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