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Episode Date: May 1, 2025

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Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Hobern. My name is Dan Shriver. I am sitting here with James Harkin, Anna Tyshinsky, and Andrew Hunter Murray. And once again, we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. And in no particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, and that is my fact. My fact this week is that a lot of the Daniel Day Lewis movie, My Left Foot, was filmed using his right foot. What are using? Is that, we're operating the camera with his right foot while he filmed his left foot. Yes.

And when I say a lot, I also mean some. So let's just put this into context. This is a movie about an Irish writer and painter called Christy Brown. He was born with cerebral palsy and by the time he was an older kid, he didn't walk, he couldn't do much. he only really could operate by moving his left foot, particularly the big toe on his left foot. As he grew older, he got really excited by the idea of becoming an artist. He started to learn to paint. And then he started to write a book by using that left toe on a typewriter.

It was a massive success. And this is what eventually became a biopic, which starred Daniel Day Lewis. Now, for anyone who knows Daniel Day Lewis, he's a method actor. He loves to really immerse himself. And in this case, he operated most of the movie from a wheelchair using his life. left foot. Yeah, and when you say method actor, he basically lived as this character throughout the whole time, right? He stayed in the wheelchair the whole time pretty much. Yeah, like he had to be carried places. Yeah, made the cast and crew feed him. Well, he just was trying to stay in character,

but here's the thing. The movie involves some quite intense stunts footwork-wise. Okay, the movie is not, I'm sorry, I watched the film yesterday. It's a terrific film. Stunts is not a good way Yeah, yeah. And when you say this movie contains footwork, it's not like Ginger Rogers. So there's a couple of scenes where he, as an actor, was unable to do it by manipulating his left foot into the right positions. But so the scenes are basically he's holding a paintbrush or a pencil. And the first shot of the whole film, it's just a shot of a foot. And it's taking a vinyl record out of the sleeve. Yeah.

And what you're saying, Dan, is that he did that with his right foot instead of his left foot. Exactly. Now, my question is, how did we not tell the difference in the movie? He has them switched round. Scott, his feet are the opposite way around. That's his feet severed and then reversed. That's exactly it. Andy's got it right.

It was mirror filmed. So the detail is a bit actually quite hard to work out if they flipped the film itself, as in they did a mirror image or if they filmed through a mirror. Right, okay. That's two options. Yeah, many years ago. Good film. And actually, weirdly, I read the book about 20 years ago.

It was also a great book. Did you? Right. Yes, apparently he's a brilliant writer when the book came out, which bizarrely was when this guy, Christy was, Christy Brown was only 22. Yeah, he was young to be writing about your experiences so far. But I think it was in the 50s. And when it came out, someone said, I think the Irish standard or something, said that

it was the most important book since Ulysses in Ireland. I think that might have been the subsequent book. Sorry, you're absolutely right. His magnum opus, yes. What's it called? Down all the days. Down all the days. But, I mean, they were both absolutely massive.

And he was from a family of 22 children. Not all of whom made it to adulthood. I think 11 did. 11 did. Yeah. Imagine that. Good grief. After the birthdays.

How's the candles you get through? Watch the candles. Wait, you... Oh, yeah. I was going to say you could reuse them, but no, you can't reuse them. No. Well, it depends. How quickly you light and blow, right?

But most birthday candles are so thin. Maybe they had very strict lighting and blowing policy. Maybe in the... You'd have to. You'd have to. Anyway, it's a very... Is that in the buck? It's been 20 years, I can't remember. It's definitely not an overwritten book, though, because he's typing it with one toe. So he doesn't go for the incredibly long sentence quite a lot of the time. It's kind of the reverse ulysses, isn't it, in a way?

Yes, it is. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was good. And it was a big book, right? So when it came out, it made Splash internationally. He actually got in a correspondence with this American woman called Beth Moore, and he eventually went over to hang out with her. And she was married. but they had an affair. And this is where he wrote his magnum opus, this novel. And she basically is the reason he got it done, because at this point he did have a bit of an alcohol problem

and it was preventing him from getting on with stuff. She basically said, you're not allowed to drink until the end of the day, after you've done a full days of writing, and then you can have that. And that's how he got the novel done. He dedicates it to her. He goes back to Ireland and then they have more correspondence saying... Is he married as well at the time?

Because he did marry a couple of times. No, he wasn't married. He's not married. She's married. Yeah. So, but she tells her husband, I'm going to marry her husband. Christy, and just as that's about to happen, Christy meets his wife and gets married, and then Beth is stuck.

So, a bit of an asshole, actually. You know, people don't really focus on this bit, do they? Abandons poor Beth for his new woman, who's the person, I think, in the film, which I haven't seen, but he goes off with the woman at the very end of the film, I think, and it looks like it's going to be happy. Yes. But actually, that's the person he went off with. And it seems like, based on his life, Beth, who helped him write his great novel, was a

lovely woman and he ended up with this other lady who I think a lot of his family didn't like who turned him into a bit of a recluse. She was an alcoholic herself, I believe. There were allegations of abuse. So he passed away quite sadly at 49, really young, yeah, yeah. Choked while eating, but yeah, on his body, there were sort of unexplained bruises all over with the abuse. What about Daniel D. Lewis, eh? Oof. He's a character. Well, more often than he is himself. So before this podcast recording time, I had never seen any of the films with Daniel Delierson. Is that right?

Not one. I thought he was in Batman forever, but it turns out that was someone else. That's Val Kilmer. You're thinking of Jim Carrey. So I'd never seen any of interest. Have you just watched them all? Have you seen, I've now seen one and I'm halfway through two others. Which two?

Gangs of New York, have you watched that? No, I haven't. Oh, that's a brilliant movie. It sounds great. I've started, not an American World War Wolf in London, the Last Mohican, sorry. Yeah. Oh yeah. I started The Last Mojian.

Terrific. Was watching that in the small lands this morning. And I'm also watching Stars and Bars, which is a goofy comedy he made immediately after my left foot, which appears to have been the only film for which he's never done any method work whatsoever. What was his character in that? The premise is just like, what if a goofy British guy went to the deep South of America? And it is so bad. I've managed to watch the only day of his film, which is not like five star.

This will change your life movie. Well, in Last of the Mohicans, he caught and killed all of his food. Brilliant. Apparently. To get into that character. Yeah, he lived for a whole month in the wilderness, didn't he? In order to, yeah, fully embarrass himself. He was in the crucible and he didn't bathe for the entirety of the crucible.

Now, I'm not sure. Is that about the witch trials or is it about Snooker? It's the happy marriage of the two. He bathed, but he kept one foot on the floor at all the time. I think my favourite one, because I'd only ever heard. of him is like this incredible, he lives the role. My favourite is the unbearable likeness of being. I'm sure you guys all found this, which is based on a Czech novel by Milan Kondera. And he learned to speak Czech almost fluently for the film, despite the fact the film is in English, all of his lines

are in English. And he said, yeah, but I can't just do an accent. I need to know where that accent comes from. Great. So he put all of his lines through the Czech he knew and then back into English to do the accent. I mean, insane. And do you know what people who speak Czech, and particularly British people who now live in the Czech Republic say that it's a really bad Czech accent. He's all nothing like a Czech English. If you learn how to speak a language, that doesn't mean you learn how to

speak English in that accent. That's the one problem when you learn a language is you can never nail the accent. I also really want to find out how fluent here is because there's so much allegation about this. And apparently according to the Foreign Services Institute, which ranks languages by difficulty, Czech

is in the fourth out of five hardest languages. So, I mean, it takes years and years and years to nail. So how, I mean, was it, do you think it was like primary school French level? I always wonder that whenever you see like a top football or a basketball player going, I speak nine languages. Yes. To you.

Did you? Did you? Well, did you just learn how to say, oh, I got that three points in today? Yeah, exactly. Because there's that fact we did ages ago about umpires and tennis do need to learn all the swear words in multiple languages. So maybe it's just that. Yeah. I mean, obviously some of it is myth-making. but I love it.

I just love it. Like he played Lincoln. Yeah, President Lincoln. So he actually, he got assassinated for that one. He got himself assassinated. He had himself made president first. So on the set of Lincoln, it was just totally, totally a period appropriate. So supposedly nobody was allowed to turn out wearing a t-shirt with a logo on.

Like, I presume all the, like, thousands of electricians of people who work on the film had to be in frock coats and things like, like it's like union soldiers. no shorts, no paper coffee cups. Lincoln wouldn't have had a paper coffee cup. I imagine it's more for Daniel Day Lewis than it is for everyone else. But you've got to slightly create the scene around him, haven't you? I mean, like, and there's a famous thing in Gangs of New York when he was filming, where first of all, Stephen Graham, who's very famous and brilliant British actor, said that he was such a great guy to work with and they became friends

before they started filming and they did the training together, some martial arts training together. And then the first day on set, Daniel Day Lewis walks on to set and just touches him on the shoulder and says, from now on, I call you Shang and you call me Bill. And then moves on, so cool. Bill the butcher. And indeed. Is that his character? Yes. Yes. I read that he worked as a butcher for some time. No, I read butchers were flown over to the set. It was one butcher, but I've got a theory about this butcher. I don't think he's a butcher. Okay. I think this butcher is the ultimate method actor. He's a guy called John Dell. Look him up. He's a butcher who runs W. Head and

Co. Butchers in Peckham. Sounds like he is a butcher. Well, no evidence of that online at all. There's like one little company record of it once existing. How many butchers have websites, though? Especially at the time that gangs in New York, it's a 2002 film. It wasn't required that butcher had to have a buzzing online presence in 2002. Everyone's Google reviewed something. Oh, come on.

I can find nothing. He was an amazing character, though. When he was interviewed, first of all, he was asked by the producer who lived in Beckham and he knew him and who was like, this guy's a legit butcher. he knows how to slaughter a pig. It's an avatar worker. You completely, if your butcher's killing the pig, that's a problem with the sourcing. Butchers don't normally kill the animal.

No, sorry. No, butcher the animal, but he was very good at butchering pigs. So he trained Daniel Day Lewis in how to butcher a pig. And they got along really well. He said Daniel Day Lewis could butcher a pig like no one else. He'd never seen anyone else with the knife skills. He'd never seen anyone else for like the natural feel for cutting. This is a man who presumably has known a lot of other butchers.

I reckon because, they hang out together, don't they? Yeah. Yeah. I love the sound of Daniel Dealer. He sounds like a really nice bloke. And when he's interviewed about it, he sounds quite normal. Yeah.

Because I'm just trying to get into the head of the character so that when I put it on film, it's real. I think he's a big old liar. No. I really do. I mean, I think some of it's true. But I think there's so. And actually, I think a lot of the lies are made up by people around him. Yeah.

But like, there was the famous thing where he walked off stage because he thought he saw his dad in the wings when he was doing Hamlet. That's right. And then later. Later on, he did an interview saying that's what happened. And then later on, he went, no, it didn't really happen. He said he was just tired. Yeah. He said he was just exhausted and you're doing a play for every day for 18 months or whatever.

That's really exhausting. But you can imagine if Daniel DeLewis says, I saw my dead father in the wings, you're going to believe that, in you. Absolutely. And it was he's never done theatre since. Yeah. But he explains, actually, he prefers the medium of film. And so much. But it was weird.

I kind of agree. It's sort of like if he was less sort of Thespian-like and had so much integrity, he's Brian blessed. Like all these stories are just tall tales. Apparently on my left foot, he broke two ribs because he was hunching over so much while he was in the wheelchair. They just snapped under the weight of his hunchback. I just don't think that that breaks your ribs. I hunch over my laptop all day, every day, and never have I broken a rib.

You're not committing to the work like Day Lewis commits to his work. No offence, Anna. I'm sorry. But he is a very, very successful actor, Daniel Day Lewis. His Wikipedia, he doesn't have a separate Wikipedia page listing his movies because he's done so few movies. he's done less than 20 or around 20. Wow. But he does have a separate page listing all of his awards. Just because he's won't so many.

Yeah, he's done around 20 feature-length films, and he's had 212 major nominations and 139 wins. And not one of them will have been for stars and stars. I guarantee it. What I worked out is if each episode of our podcast was as successful as each of his films, then we'd have more than 4,000 awards. And if they all weighed the same as an Oscar satuette, the total weight would be about the same as two elephants.

Oh my God. So that puts it into perspective. It really does. That's brilliant. Tells you a lot about Daniel DeLuress that. Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is Andy. My fact is that some French unions have special barbecues that can be used to cook sausages while on a protest march.

Brilliant. They do like a strike in France. They love a strike and they love a saucisson. and they found a way of combining the two and this does the rounds every now and again but Snopes, the brilliant people at Snopes, looked into this picture. You can find it online.

It's these French people. They're very clearly French union workers. They're in their high viz. And they're pushing along this mobile barbecue which is in tram tracks. Yeah. So they're going the tram route. I presume they're French train workers

who were on strike. It was in Nice. It was in Nice. Very annoying if it's French teachers on strike and they're confined to the tram route for the whole process. It's because they were doing some reform of the SNCF. There was some probably mild change suggested to working hours and absolutely, everybody out now!

We leave Neistarot for a year! It's really cool though, isn't it? There's actually video footage. It's like one second video footage from what I saw where they're just pushing it down. It's a massive grill going over the two tram tracks. It's very cool. And they're pushing it along and they're, you know. So why do they put it on tram tracks rather than just putting it by?

barbecue on wheels. Good call. Good point. I suppose they were marching the route of the tracks. I mean, I suppose they were only walking the tram route

to make a point about their, you know, whatever beef they were having with their bosses. Maybe it makes the point more emphatically if they're like,

we've even made a barbecue to make our point. I mean, we're talking about them now and this was several years ago. It's worked. You know, it's worked. Their wages

will probably shoot up now that we've discussed at the podcast. You're welcome. Yeah. I didn't actually in a niece head trams. I've been to Nice, but clearly I wasn't paying attention.

So, you know. Is that an all new low in terms of my own thing? Yes. It's because I cycled into Nice. That's it. Now we've hit the rock blossom. There we go. There we go. You know, the barbecue I have is a Weber or Weber barbecue.

Okay. And that is a, it's like a circular one. It's almost like a bowl and it's on legs. I think of that classic... It's a classic garden barbecue. Yeah. It's like War of the World, the Tripods. It's all with a tripod. The terrifying aliens leap out of it if you want to cook the meat.

Sort of. Well, they climb into your body and then they leap out several hours later. Yes. Well, they were invented in 1952 from two halves of a steel boy. A boy? A boy. Ocean boys. You know, those things that float in the ocean.

Yeah. Well, yeah, they decided they wanted to make a new kind of barbecue and they thought, wouldn't it be nice if it was circular? And what do we have that circular in our iron works? Well, we have some boys. Boyes. That's brilliant. And the guy used it in his garden

and basically all his neighbours called it a spaceship and laughed at him. But it turned out. But it took off? It did. So was the previous barbecue not a round like a boy? No, because in America where barbecuing started, that's not really what barbecuing is.

It's more like roasting meat for 24 hours until it's really, really, really soft. Isn't it? Right. A slow cook. I should say to any Americans listening, in the UK, a barbecue is you sit in the garden when it's raining and you put burgers on a grill. You go into the house and put them in the oven if it's really raining.

As far as I'm concerned, a barbecue is a metal tray that you buy from Tesco Metro on a sunny day and then take it apart. You tramp. You three bottles of white lightning. Yeah, delicious. I discovered that I spell barbecue differently to you three. No, you spell it wrong, which is what I noticed. It's a document where we put it up.

Are you spelling it with a cue, does? I'm spelling it with a cue, which is the Australian way of spelling it. That's the actual way of spelling it in Australia. Yes, it is. And New Zealand as well. And also, oh. But you pronounce that barbec. Barbicue.

They pronounce it Barbie. As we know. We have a Barbie, but yeah, barbecue. And in Sydney, there's a thing. If it was, sorry, if it was meant, if you were spelling it like it was pronounced, but you wanted to include the cue, you'd have to end it, Q, youe, you do cue. Join the barbecue. Yeah.

Well, no, I'll bring that up. Anna, next time I'm at the Australian embassy and they're asking me for my international opinions. They're constantly got a barbecue on the go at the Aussie embassy. They do, exactly. But this relates to a really interesting etymology of barbecue because there's a kind of mythic folk belief that it comes from a French phrase

from barbacue, which means from beard to tail. You're eating the whole pig. Jokes on you, that pig is Daniel Day Lewis in disguise. He was method acting, you're in big trouble now. You cook and eaten him. Was he in babe? What was the movie?

Because the word cue in English has into stand in a line comes from the French for tale as well. Right, right. But you're saying this isn't correct? It's not from that. In fact, we very briefly mentioned years and years ago that it's from a guy called William Dampier,

who was a privateer, sailor, pirate, roaster. The original Robinson Crusoe, I want to say? Yeah. He was a Buccaneer, and a Buccaneer is a pirate who cooks meat. It's basically the etymology of Buccaneer comes from that as well.

Yes, it's all Caribbean languages, basically. So there's a barbacow, which is from various Caribbean peoples who you've got it. So it's from the Americas, the word in the first place, yeah. There's a fun phrase in Argentina, where barbaking is huge, and it's called asado, in place like Argentina and Brazil, other parts of South America. And then you get asado al-Disco. Do you know what that is? It's circular?

Revolving, yeah, rotating. Oh, the disco gets so hot that you feel like you're cooking, so mirror ball full of meat. Thank you. I was looking for some disco stuff, and then I could say, no, It's about the first things that you guys said. But a disco is the disc from a plow. So a plow has like very sharp discs that it cuts the crops with. And once they've worn out, then in Argentina, you take that off the plough and you cook on it.

And it's like a, it's basically like a wok, a giant wok. And that's Apollo Al Disco is using the disc from a plow to barbecue. Yeah, barbecueing is very common around the world. And one thing that's quite interesting is it's very common for men to do the barbecue in almost everywhere that you go. So like we think of it in the UK at least, and probably in America, as like the dads go and do the barbecueing while everyone else does something else. That's right. And the men obsess over it. And they thought, what truck are you cooking with these days?

You know, that kind of stuff. But yeah, Levi Strauss, the anthropologist, he says that, yeah, basically if you look all over the world from Amazonian tribes, people in Africa, it's often the men's work for the barbecueing. There was a book called The Complete Barbecue Book by John and Marie Robertson. who put it, they said that the man who does the barbecuing takes on a somewhat godlike stature. As for the ladies, well, they're virtually your slaves. I feel like John wrote that bit, not Marie, probably. Who is it? An anthropologist of food writer called Calvin Trillin.

You reckon that if you want to be a good barbecuist, you have to be basically a misanthrope because you're going in the garden on your own. You're not really talking to anyone else. Your friend is the meat, as opposed to the... Oh, God, it's such a lovely chance not to have to fulfil your social honourable. and just stand they're feeling useful. I would say in Australia, I don't know what it's like here properly, but it's the water cooler.

It's every everyone hangs around the barbecue. What are you driving these days? Yeah, that kind of thing. But then this guy says that actually it's quite good as a hobby because, you know, golf and sailing and fishing, these are also things where men sort of like to go just a couple of men on their own and not see anyone else misanthropically, but at least in this case, everyone gets some food out of it at the end.

That's true. Not guaranteed with fishing. and very rare with golf unless you really hit something. Yeah, I think misanthropically for activities like fishing which is so dominated by men, we need to replace the word misanthrope,

which has a kind of coolness to it with unhelpful. Because that's all that is. That's just men pissing off and not helping out, isn't it? So when my wife says to me, why have you not taken the bins out, I could just say,

I was being misanthropic. Yeah, exactly. The male thing is interesting, though, and going back to French barbecues, a green politician in France got in trouble in 2022 because they were saying, obviously, meat, very bad for the environment. 20% of our greenhouse gases still come from the meat industry.

And she was saying we have to change our mentality so that eating a barbecued entrecott is no longer a symbol of virility. And basically, people said, you're blaming men for killing the planet. I don't think I've ever heard someone say the word entracot and think that is a virile person. France is a very different place to bolsen james. The male, the interesting male thing about barbecuing and meat is that men just do eat more meat.

And actually, we don't know why. But around the world, in almost every country... It must be cultural. It can't be biological. Well, a lot of people think it's biological. So there are arguments that female hormones suppress the desire to eat meat around your period or when you're pregnant, which sounds very implausible to me. There's another argument that says men behave in more risky ways.

So evolutionarily, they need to eat more protein to make their bones stronger. But also, cooking a sausage for three minutes and saying, yeah, it's probably fine. That is a risky behaviour. But it's really interesting. And also, there was a study looking at 23 countries and the wealthier and more gender equality we have. What would you think as you get more gender equality, which tends to happen in more developed countries,

does the gap between men and women's meat eating get bigger or smaller? Well, you think it would get smaller. You'd think it would get smaller and it gets bigger. Doesn't it? Because men are trying to cling to something to show their blokes. Is that it? We don't know, but that's a nice interpretation. Have you heard of transglutaminase?

I'd be really surprised if you had. No. Some kind of molecule. It's a molecule, all right. It's an enzyme. And it's a thing that gets called meat glue. Oh, okay. And if you buy a big piece of steak, you may notice it might be skewered.

And if it's skewered, there's a good chance. This is in America. This stuff is not legal in the EU. That it's been had meat glue sort of painted on it. And if you paint meat glue on it and squish it all together, you can make a big, expensive looking steak out of several pieces of small scrap. Oh, cool. And that's how it's not cool.

It's really horrible. But it's cool that you could bring a dino burger, basically. It's like the Power Rangers. You know, they combine their forces. Yeah, yeah. If you're listening to this after the Trump tariffs have forced us to do a trade deal with America, then you two could be eating one right now. It's all we eat these days.

Yeah. I was looking at sort of out of place barbecues, like the one on the tram line. And there was a really cool thing I found, which is there used to be a tour called the Vans Warp Tour. It's basically a festival that you would have like 20 bands and they would go from city to city. together, so not like Clastonbury, just for one, yeah. And they came to Australia in 1998, and I remember it being a big deal. So they had big bands. You'd get people like Blink 182 and no effects and stuff, but then they would also give opportunities to younger, newer bands. And one of the conditions of being on the warp tour was you could be the barbecue band. You get a

slot on stage, but when it's done, you go backstage and you're in charge of the barbecue and you cook for everyone. And so that's the condition, the trade-off of you being on the tour. Do we know any bands that went on to be massive? Having the Gunners barbecues. Yeah, the dropkick Murphys. Oh, yeah. Art of shock. Grillers.

Grillers. Gorillars. Grillars. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Was he in it? Oh, it's he?

Grillers is what blows, isn't it? Oh, you mean? Damon, you mean. Damon, Alburn. Yeah. David, All barn. I mean, he belongs on a farm anyway. So you know, so you know there are these rubs.

Yeah. It's a big thing of meat rub. Meat rub. Yeah. I. So it's basically. So it's basically. a load of spices that you rub over your meat to marinate it.

Exactly, exactly. And there's a shop near me which stalked something by what's called the Gentleman's Rub Club. And I have tried to find any evidence that it existed online because I remembered it running up to this podcast. They're nowhere. The thing is, it's a bit like Butchers in the 1980s. You don't necessarily have to have a massive online presence if you're a rub club. But apparently the first rule of gentlemen's rub club. But this just got me off onto like,

so it got me off onto, got me onto, grilling awards, barbecue awards. Oh, yeah. So I was looking at the NBBQA, National Barbecue and Grilling Association, because they have an awards of excellence every year. I think it's an American thing. Right.

So they've got beef rub, pork rub, poultry rub, seafood rub, spicy rub. And I just, I wanted to read a few of the prizes from the latest awards. That's cool. They're terrific. barbecue apparel category first prize

a t-shirt reading Wanna See My Rack First prize First prize Well they're trying to encourage women to get into it Are they Second prize Want to see my sausage

Third prize T-shirt reading I got sourced For hat reading My Dad's Barbecue But there's a barbecue A barbecue Badass backyard cooking

Oh dear Oh cool And there's even an award for Best Barbecue Audio Series. There's barbecue podcasts. Could we put this section up for it? I think so. If we want to dethrone the Smoking Hot Confessions BBQ podcast. Well, I definitely want to check out my rack t-shirt or whatever it is.

So let's do it. Then that's massive the barbecue contest in America, they're all run by the Kansas City Barbecue Society, and it's trained over 15,000 judges to judge barbecues, and the rules are very tight. So judges are not allowed to eat with you, pencils, but you're also not allowed to lick your fingers. Why? No one knows. You just have fingers covered in like barbecue meat the whole time. How can you eat some ribs without licking your fingers?

That's unnatural. Well, I think it's one of the challenges. Gloves? Yes. I don't know. Like gloves? Gloved culture there. Like a snooker referee. You need another 20,000 pairs of linen gloves, please, yeah. The scores are on a scale of one to nine, but there's no three and four, weirdly. Right. What? One, two, five, six, seven, nine. That's so funny.

Yeah, five is poor and then two is inedible. Nothing in between. That's very fun. And there are various rules to judge a brisket, as in a big chest of a cow. You have to be able to manipulate it like an accordion. Wow. Oh, wow. What a sentence.

Horrible. I think it's, I'm surprised. Yeah. Because, well, I could play the accordion, right? And so you have to move it quite a lot, right? And to move a rib cage, I don't feel like that would be possible. Yeah. Maybe they're a cage.

That's a terrible tune. But if a couple of the rooms have already been broken, let's say because Daniel Day Lewis has been living as the cow. Dan, can I ask you a question? Australia. Yeah. You're from there. Yes.

Have you ever seen a coin-operated barbecue in the past? I was going to mention this before I was cut off for my terrible spelling, which was not terrible. In Sydney, we actually have not even coin-operated. You have free barbecues on most of the beaches that you go to. So we would go down to Claire. on the weekend, you would just press a button and it gets going. And your only thing is to just clean it up. Wait, is it like gas or do you have to bring your own charcoal? Oh, just, just, no, no, yeah, just goes up.

Isn't it unhygienic? No, you clean. People putting their raw sausages on the... I kind of think the thing with barbecue is it doesn't matter if you drop it in the mud. Like, because you're cooking it on such a massive, massive heat. It's a thousand degrees. What's surviving that? There's a real pride thing, by the way, of you leave it ready for the next person. Yeah, it's a thing that is sort of. just part of the way. I see. That's national culture. Well, supposedly even some zoos

have free barbecues, which I feel is open to misuse. What, do you think that's a bit scary for the animals who are sitting around? Have you seen the one back? Where's the one back? Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is Anna. My fact this week is that epileptic fits can be triggered by thinking about toothpaste. That's wild. Yeah, not widespread. Don't worry. Do you have to have a specific condition already for this to happen? Epilepsy. I'm assuming. It is more common in epileptics, yes. But you ask all the right questions, Andy. That's why we love to have you in the class. This, I just came across his paper from 2006, which reported on a patient with epilepsy. Came across a paper from 2006, which reported on a patient with epilepsy.

epilepsy in which seizures were induced both by toothbrushing and by seeing or thinking about toothbrush and toothpaste. That's amazing. So is that someone who is stressed about the idea of brushing their teeth and then the stress brings on it? Like what is bringing it on? I don't, well, it's very mysterious and I don't think it's quite that. It's a type of reflex epilepsy, which is epilepsy that's triggered by something.

And this type is called thinking epilepsy. And it's where thinking about something. And I don't think is necessarily something that causes you stress, but thinking about about a certain thing triggers it. So there was other cases reported on where someone, when they thought about food, whenever they thought about food, which is quite debilitating. I read about one who every time they tried to do Sudoku, they got an epileptic fit. This seems to be a thing puzzles, crossword Sudoku.

I hear you. I hear you. Yeah, but it's not about hating it. I don't know. Do you have the lying epilepsy? I'm starting to feel like I might. But is it because there's a particular location in your brain where the neurons for toothpaste or Sudoku or whatever

or food are kept and there's a crossed wire in there. That seems logical, doesn't it? But I don't think anyone really knows. No, no. And it is rare, but it is amazing. And some people can think themselves into an epileptic fit. It just sounds like the most awful thing because what is the only thing you can do

when you're told not to think about something, obviously is think about something. If you know that you can't think about this, there was a guy who was taken to hospital and he had a brain lesion, I think, and he had an epileptic fit, and the only way you could characterize it was if he started to feel enthusiastic,

he would then have a fit. Oh, interesting. I wonder if you have that, Anna. We probably never know. Me. That's why, actually, I play it safe. So it could be anything. You've just got to identify it.

So he's not allowed a hobby? He's not allowed a hobby that he likes, no. He can do Sudoku to his ass and get that, actually. They actually made him induce one, which does feel quite mean. They were like, could you try and replicate the feeling when you have one so we can have a look? So it was like, okay, I'll make myself feel enthusiastic. You're ready?

A toothpaste? Yes, please. How do the stripes get in? Oh my God, the ultimate question. Why don't I know? I believe there's a couple of different ways of doing that. Yeah, they've got a couple of that. But my understanding is that the main one, there's a little thing near the nozzle or something.

It's a paintbrush. It's disappointingly technical, the explanation. It's not like, is it not through the back door? What do you mean through the back door? There's one rope of toothpaste that goes into the tube. You got the nozzle at the top and then you've got the bottom. Maybe that's not closed up when the stuff's put in and you seal it up. What you're saying is that one long string of toothpaste is put in and it comes out in the same order that it went in the other end.

No, I'm picturing it a bit like Mr. Whippy. What if you get it wrong and squeeze it wrong way? How does it work the opposite way round though? Because it would mush inside. It's white on the inside up to near the nozzle end. And then the colour or colours. This is one way of doing it. The colours are up at that end and there's a very thin pipe.

As you squeeze from the back end, the white goes up through the nozzle, but the colour bit is also pressed out through the holes in the sides and joins the main white bit. Cool. So the main bit is white and the other colours then are the garnish. That's fantastic. I love it. I never knew that.

So if you don't like the colours, you know, if you get a bit perturbed when he spit it out and it looks like your mouth is bleeding, you can cut your toothpaste tube in half and then just use the bottom of it. It's just white. That's what I do. Think of someone who could have had a tube of toothpaste, right? A famous person in history. Margaret Thatcher.

She could, yes. Even more impressively, even further back than that. Da Vinci. Jim Callahab. Julius Caesar. Yes, Jim Callahad. No, do this. No one.

Wilson. Harold Wilson. You're just doing PMs. Yeah, just going backwards. I think even before Balfour. Wow. Yeah. I don't know if designing quiz formats is for you.

Do you want to? Lord Salisbury. Oh, God. No. Was it between Disraeli's first term and Disraeli's second term? No, it's after all of Dishraini and Gladstone. Campbell Bannerman probably could have had who. Wow.

He was a turn of the 20th century prime minister. Atley. Yeah, we've asked him that he could have done, James. You're not catching up. You're not playing the game at all well, which is surprising to me because it's such a good game. What's your point to? How young, Joan Rivers? Let's try to say, yeah, all of these people.

So what I'm trying to say is that the squeezy toothpaste tube, the collapsible toothpaste tube, was invented in roughly the 1880s, 90s. So Queen Victoria could have had a tube of toothpaste. That just makes you think, doesn't it? What does it make me think? Well, it's just the tube of toothpaste is older than we might think it is. James thought Clement Attlee was the earliest Prime Minister who could have had one, But actually, 1880, a dentist from Connecticut, confusingly he was called Sheffield, launched it.

And then it was launched in York, confusingly the place, in 1896. So other people who could have enjoyed it include Adolf Sachs, Friedrich Engels, William Morris and Rutherford B. Hayes. Got any women there who cleaned the teeth in the... Queen Victoria, I think was the opener. Clean Victoria. Here's a worrying thing for toothpaste, possibly. Do you know that sales have dropped by a lot? Some say almost half since the late 90s.

What? Yeah. Now riddle me this. Is it that people used to have much bigger toothbrushes? You got in one. Electric toothbrushes. Oh. Electric toothbrushes have such a small little surface area if you had put it on that you're not

squeezing as much. And also, the rise of the two for one or three for two promotion has absolutely knocked out sales for them as well. But it's literally that we're using it almost. half the amount than we usually would. I'm so surprised because I don't think a high proportion of people use electric toothbrushes. I'm surprised that it's half. Do you guys? Well, so the promotions as well.

I do. I don't. But I tend to just cover my whole flannel with toothpaste and rub that round my mouth. So I'm probably keeping the industry going. That would work. And this is, here's you don't need to put it on a brush or anything. And this is something that will really send toothpaste sales plummeting if they were worried before about this drop. It's totally pointless.

I'm brushing your teeth. A toothbrush? Toothpaste. What? So, study after study. If you're looking at removing plaque, study after study, like dozens and dozens of studies, very, very reliable, broad studies, look at the difference between toothbrushing without any toothpaste and toothbrushing with toothpaste and there is absolutely no difference.

Your teeth are going to be stronger if you use fluoride. Your teeth, so the only thing is the fluoride in toothpaste is in the long term good for your teeth, only if you do the thing that I've always known you should do but can't bring myself to do, which is not rinse at the end. Do you guys all not rinse? I do now, having learned this, because we talked about this from QI coming up. Oh, did we? But yeah, it is quite interesting because I think, and there are so many ingredients,

but it is literally the only thing is fluoride that does anything, unless except like breast smelling of mint. Because you get a fluoride-free toothpaste, which I do have friends who use, and I'm not judging them because they're my friends. Yeah, but you can't invite them to the barbecue because they can't get through the meat. How was RFK? So you're right? It's so interesting how we got fluoride in toothpaste and, in fact, in water.

In 1901, there was a young dentist called Frederick Mackay, and he moved to Colorado Springs in America. And he found the people there had a thing called, have you heard of Colorado Brownstain? But I wouldn't buy that toothpaste brand. Isn't that one of the sports team, the Colorado Brownstains? That's right. Go brown stains. This is insane. 90% of children had it.

Almost no one in the rest of America had Colorado brown stain or any kind of brown stain. The water was tested. Turns out the water was very high in fluoride, right? Particular towns of particular water sources had awful brown stain. But the good thing was they did some experiments, Mackay and Et al. And they found that basically this waterborne fluoride changed the color of your tooth enamel, but it also made this mottled tooth enamel that people had was very resistant to decay. And so they started thinking, okay, we pop a little bit.

These kids had rock hard teeth, basically. And they thought, if we put the right amount of fluoride in the water, you won't get discoloured teeth, but you will get strong teeth. And the year after the first place, Grand Rapids in Michigan got fluoride, the number of cavities dropped 60%. It's one of the most effective health interventions ever made. It's like that thing in Switzerland where everyone had goiters on their neck. Yeah.

Then they started putting iodine into salt. Just overnight changed it. Well, and bizarrely, we don't do it everywhere in Britain, which I actually didn't realize into recently. Not everywhere, no. In most places, we don't do it. But does that mean we should actually, or good teeth, a mottled brown teeth? Like, really, if we want super strong teeth, why not triple the fluoride?

You can have too much fluoride. You definitely can. There are advisory levels. And people go a bit nuts about it, obviously. There's lots of stuff online about it. When it was installed in Grand Rapids in 1945, lots of people said, this fluoride, it's given me sore teeth and sore enamel, and it's really bad. And they were told, yes, we haven't actually put the fluoride in the water.

That's happening in a few weeks. So we know now that there's no toothpaste before Campbell Bannerman. Well, there's no tubes, right? Speeasable tubes. Yeah, okay. But what did the Romans do to keep their mouth nice and healthy? What they used as mouthwash. Oh, like urine.

So there is this sort of factoid that Romans used urine from Portugal as mouthwash. And it is put across by lots of popular historians. But it's really probably not true. Like if you look for any classical evidence, there is a. mention by Catalyst and it's a poem, but he's mocking someone and he's saying, oh yeah, you're in Spain. You've been to Spain, so you probably wash your mouth with urine. And it might be that maybe some people in Spain did that, but this is a satirical sort of taking the piss. Really, they didn't do this. You mean not only not Portuguese urine, they probably

didn't use urine in general. Right. Otherwise, why would you take the piss out of someone for doing it, having just been to Iberia? Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I thought you were saying, like, it's a myth that they imported large quantities of Portuguese urine. And actually they just used good old-fashioned Roman urine. But you're not saying no urine was probably involved. No, I don't think there's any urine involved. It was only after they introduced the urine tariffs, of course. They started getting good at making their own.

There's a lot of old methods to clean your teeth and alleviate toothache. Before it was a paste, it was powder. So we were all using powder toothpaste. One of my favorite ones, if not my favorite, is you would use the ground-up ashes of a wolf's head. But what you say is when you find that dead wolf and you get its head in order to mash it up and use that, it is a well-known fact, too, that there are bones generally found in the excrement of that animal. These bones attached to an amulet are protective as well. There's a lot going on.

That's an undertaking, isn't it? It's laborous every night, I guess, yeah, if you're out of toothpaste. Honestly, compared to, because I've literally been to the dentist two days ago, and compared to that, I'll take the wolf crap. You'll follow a wolf run until it does a shit. immediately kill it. Turn the shit into a necklace. Rather than an hour and a half of drilling, yeah, I'll go for it.

Fair enough. My dentist said, Mr. Harkin, you have a very strong tongue. Wow. Wow. Would you like to join my gentleman's rub club? Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is James. Okay, my fact this week is that things that French newspapers were censored from mentioning during World War I included any use of the word peace without the word victorious, any mention of the cold weather in case it reminded people

about the shortage of coal and any reference of a meeting between the president's wife and a wild ape. I mean, plot twist. And did that reference specific occasion or was it just in case anyone? It did. It did. Yeah, there was an incident involving Henriette Poncaray, who was the wife of the president. And on the Wikipedia for the Alise Palace, it says in 1917, a chimpanzee.

A chimpanzee escaped from a nearby menagerie entered the palace and was said to have tried to hold the wife of President Raymond Poin-Carray into a tree. How strong was it that you'd have hauled her into a tree? I know chimpanzees are strong, but that's bulky. A teenage girl chimpanzee would beat you in an arm wrestle. I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it. I know you've been bulking up. Thank you.

I think a teenage human girl would probably beat Andy in an arm wrestle. Oh wow, we're going there, are we? I celebrate strong women, Dan. I'm sorry you don't. Wow. In the metaphorical art wrestle that is this discussion, you just got slammed. I got beached. So I read this in Wikipedia, and I looked for some contemporary reports, and I found this mention.

Actually, this was from the 1930s they mentioned it. It was in the London diary, and it was things that you were not allowed to mention in 1916 in France in World War I. So that seemed to be that it might have happened, but then I went further back and found some reports in 1916 in the American press, and this definitely did happen. And the Baron Henri de Rothschild had a place near the Elysee Palace, and he'd been to the Far East,

which means that maybe this eight might have been an orangutan, we think. He brought it to his home near the Elyse Palace, and it had escaped. Oh, God. And I read one account in the oldie magazine written more recently that said the ape wrapped her in his embrace, took her by the waist and attempted to carry her up a tree. It is king con. That's it. And then apparently Poincere, the president, he apparently put the orangutan up against the firing squad. No.

No. According to one article. Which is still King Kong. That's the exact part. So I mean, whether that's all true or not, like it definitely was reported in 1916 when it happened. because it's really hard, isn't it? Because it was censored from the French press. So the number of, you've picked a really hard factor in reception.

But it was mentioned in the world press around the time. And apparently President Deschanel, who came after him, he was so impressed by the ape that he took to jumping in trees during state receptions. Oh, wow. But he was the one he went a bit crazy. He was very mad, wasn't he? Deschanel was the Manic Pixie Dream president, wasn't he? He was. He was the one who woke up on a train, opened the window, fell out of it, as it was going to

35 miles an hour. They didn't know until the next morning that he was gone. And he was found by a local rail guy who he was saying, I'm the president of France. He goes, sure, mate. Sure. Okay. Brings him to his home and they just keep him there until he convinces them that he is. Yeah. And then later on, he left the palace to go into the gardens and started chatting to a park worker, but he had no trousers on. And then he stepped into an ornamental fountain thinking it was a bath. And then he resigned. You have to, don't you? Was it in the stress of the job?

No, in fairness, like, we think now that he had some sort of really awful sort of sleep deprivation illness. Elpinor syndrome, I think it was called sleep. Yeah, I've never heard of that before. Yeah. But, yeah, it was basically he would never, he couldn't go into R&M sleep or anything. So even when he slept, he just wasn't getting his brain refreshed. Oh, boy. Although, it's so weird because he lasted a long time with being fine.

And then as soon as he became president. Maybe the stress did do something for it. Yeah. His wife was called Germain And I just think I've blown something open But I don't quite know what Because so Jermaine Deschanel was there She was a society lady

She looks like she would have been so good at entertaining Because your whole role as First Lady then was throwing big parties And she was brilliant at that So such a shame he only lasted about a minute as president But she's called Germain They were married in St. Germain Church and he first went mad in St. Germain Forest. Right.

Wow. So what's your theory? Well, I've thrown something open, but I don't know what it is. Is this like the peck and butcher? Do you think she doesn't exist? Or she is the devil or something? She drove him mad by embodying a forest and then a church. I think it's a very germane theory.

Oh, yeah. And there's the missing piece. Yes. The pun. What you need for any conspiracy theory? Gene of pun. So this original president's wife, the one who bumped him to the orangutan, was Madame Poincaray, right? Yeah.

She was, so Mr. Poincarre, her, him indoors, was Raymond, who was president, very presently, president for the whole First World War and some years on either side, PM three times as well over a longer period. Like, really, very eminent. And then came back to be president again, I think, afterwards. Wow. Yeah. I mean, so, like, amazing political career. So he would have had tube toothpaste, right? He would have had tube toothpaste, toothpaste, well.

Yeah. So his cousin was Henri Poincere, a mathematician, who James, you might. Oh, of conjecture fame. Of conjecture fame. And I'm putting big quotes on that. Pochere conjecture? So he's, yeah, he's really famous, right? Oh, yeah.

In maths world. Yeah. So I just love this. This is a slight sidebar, but he was in a picture, Henri Poinceree, which is known as the most intelligent photo ever taken. So there are lots of smart people in it. Exactly. More than that one from the Oscars with Ellen DeGeneres in it.

Amazingly, no, that one, that was now the most interesting one I've taken. But this was in 1927, so it was the previous record holder. Can we guess who's in the photo? Would we know? Let's say Einstein. Let's say Einstein. I'll give you a clue. Niels Bohrach. Can I give you the clue? D-RAC.

Wait. Pruced. Please wait. Marikuri. Hugo. I mean, you kind of had all of them. The 1927 Solve conference on quantum mechanics, which was held in Brussels. Oh.

there were 29 people in this photo 17 of whom got Nobel prizes The photo was stunning So you said Einstein You said Mary Curie You said Dirac Someone said Paul Dirac Niels Bohr

Max Planck Heisenberg Irwin Trotinger August Piccarat Like everybody 17 of them got no bells And just Picard Wow

I know Yeah Kickard yeah But there's just just one photo Of the maybe the most Intelligent Conference that's ever happened It wasn't in the

And Juan Carey was in it. He was in it. He was in it. He was one of the, wow. And that's lots of nuclear physicists of that period as well, right? Because I wonder if the phrase, if an atomic bomb dropped on us right now. I'm afraid the atomic bomb hadn't been invented. No, I know. Okay. Well, a bomb. Is there a phrase that says if an atomic bomb dropped on us right now? No, I was just adding that to the bomb. If a bomb hit this. If a bomb hit this, recording studio we're in right now, no effect on global history.

Although next year's top barbecue podcast might be short one candidate. Can I just ask quickly the censorship over that story? Is it because it wasn't so much that it was embarrassing? It's just that no matter what interview they gave, the journalist was just desperate to say, you know what, Dan, like I really did a lot of very, very in-depth research on this and is very difficult to research. But I think it was because they were trying to keep morale up in the country. I can't think of anything that would improve morale more than if I found out what's the name Stama have been attacked by a cheetah in the Garzarin of Downing Street. Well, I think also like it could denigrate his authority.

Yeah, right. They're quite good about, well, rather, they're quite strict about private lives in France. Yeah, that's true. But you're right. And it's sort of a leading industrialist as well. It's like if Alan Sugar's pet Komodo dragon had temporarily abducted Mrs. Stama. And Starbos had it shot by a firing squad. Yes.

Lovely. She, Madame Frankei, she was quite controversial. In fact, the Queen of England was very snobbish about her, Queen Mary. They did an official visit in 1914, and she refused to be seen with her at first. Sorry, that was just gritting away at the thought of Queen Mary using some collapsible toothpaste jeans. How did you know? Because I had the same thought, Deb. I don't know the state of her dental hygiene.

All I know is I'm trying to make the serious point that the English, the Brits, were very snobbish because Madame Pont-Carrie, she was very old when she married. This wasn't why they disapproved. This is sort of why I disapproved when I read about the story. She was in her, she was 46, and the Prime Minister was a bit younger. So Queen Mary refused to share a carriage with her because she was divorced, and her first husband was a cab driver who was still alive.

Uh-oh. Unbelievable. It's a shame because they could have run with the headline cougar attacked by chimpanzees. Very good That mirrors current Prime Minister Sorry Brigitte Macron The French are into it They're also into presidents having lots of mistresses

Are they Francoise Hollande He had four children with his long-term partner But then when he became president moved in with his mistress Valerie Truvala Yeah But then he cheated on her with an actor

with an actress. And it was really funny because he went off to see this actress with a motorcycle helmet on his head thinking that no one would be able to tell

it was him. But he wore the same pair of socks that he'd been wearing at a recent international visit. So the photographers took a photo of him and went, I recognise those socks.

That's bad luck. What does it? Did the socks say President of France? Like what was... It must have been quite distinctive. They must have been because most socks

are just quite plain. Most male professionals That's why I always wear plain black socks is so I can get away with what socks I'm wearing? Just there's shaggar on you. I'm wearing powder-of-f girls socks, which I reckon

if, oh, look at Dan's. He's got bright yellow ones. James, you must be the only man in London wearing those socks today. I know, if I have an affair. Yeah, you're screwed. Dan, what's that? It's blasts skateboards.

It's their logo. I am the only man wearing this in London today, but because of them, I will not be having an affair. I think the same applies to James I'm like to show you mine plain black Lovely Sirley if you see a man

Having an affair in plain back sucks You know it's not me or dad No And if they've got a little garter And they're tied at the knee You'll know it's me He is not I don't mean to be rude about him

But he's not David Gandhi Oland Yeah he's an example of power Being a great aphrodisiac You know He's sort of just a very average looking dude Who happened to be the president of France He's not David Gandhi

Is that the best? Yeah I don't know Is that Mahatma Gandhi's brother? He's, Mahatma Gandhi, yeah, yeah. If Mahatma Gandhi had taken his well man pills, he would have looked like David. David's one of, like, top end model, male model.

He's an underpant model. Right. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. Is this the first ever modern popular culture reference that Andy's ever said on the podcast? I think it might be. Maybe that none of us have,

well, I've got it, but like that you two haven't heard of here. I can't. He's sort of famous guy. You think I know a lot of male underpant models? He might get a magazine or something. I don't know. Right, yeah. But Jack Chirac, President France?

Yeah. Did he muddle in the pants? Well, he might as well have done. I mean, he certainly showed his pants off a lot, did he? He, when he was mayor of Paris in the 1980s, he ordered the city council to buy him a coach fitted with a bedroom. So he could meet lovers on official engagements. Oh, wow. Sorry, a coat fitted with a bedroom.

Coach. Coach, right. A coach, like a bus. Like a National Express. Like a mega bus. Like a mega bus. A really mega bus. Was that so he could have lots of affairs, not just so he could sleep between...

No, it was specifically so he could meet lovers. Did he tell you say that? Well, he can in France, can't you? His private jet, when he was president, had a room that was for Trists. Lovely. He asked the weirdest thing, which made me sort of warned to him. So Jack and Bernadette, his wife, brought a Vietnamese refugee to live with them and sort of adopted a Vietnamese refugee.

And it was on a whim. So this woman was called Anne Dautraxel. She was actually about 20. But she'd escaped from a refugee. camp in 1979 when the Vietnamese were having a not very good time. And she was crying in the corner of an airport in France. And Jacques Chirac saw her, approached her and said, don't cry, my dear, from now on you'll live with us.

Okay. I've got a special bedroom on the jumper. Can I tell you one French heroine? I found out she wasn't First Lady of France or anything, but just in the course of researching us, I found out about her. Because she was amazing. Her name was Valerie Andre. She died this year in February.

She was the wife of President Peter Andre, wasn't she? She was. And she was a mysterious girl. She died this year. She was 102 years old, right? So she lived 1923 to 2025. She was, in this order, a brain surgeon, a parachutist, and the first woman to fly helicopter missions in combat zones. And the first French woman to become a general in their army.

Wow. So she would do parachute jumps into combat zones if someone had been wounded, right? You know, she would either do parachute jumps in or she would fly a helicopter in herself, pick up a wounded soldier in the helicopter, fly them to hospital and then she'd say hello I'm going to be your surgeon today and do the operation on them that's amazing

I just think I'm like imagine that imagine your pilot then becoming a surgeon halfway through and patching you up just crazy I think I would feel less confident in her in both roles I think you're not putting your

full life into being a helicopter pilot or a surgeon are you would you say that before she made the first incision or would you maybe wait until I'd be like do we not have someone who studied their whole life as a surgeon who can do my surgery, please. Looking a gift horse in the mouth or what? I'm not going to sign this consent,

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