No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As Jenga Cop

Episode Date: November 23, 2023

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the QI offices in Hobart. My name is Dad Schreiber. I am sitting here with James Harkin, Andrew Hunter Murray, and Anna Tashinsky. And once again, we have gathered round the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. And in a particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, that is Anna. My fact this week is that your brain contains a tender mother, a tough mother, and a

Spider-mother. Is that just Dan we're talking about here? Yeah, and it explains everything. It does. Are these like multiple personality traits of like, I have a tough mother that comes, is that the idea of it? Oh, I love that idea. What would the spider mother be? Well, I assume there's something that they do in the wild where they make webs.

I hope they like eat their children. Yeah, they eat each other. The spider mother actually eats the tough mother and the tender mother. It's actually neither of these things. They're just fun names for things in the brain. So these are meninges. They're in your brain and spinal cord. And they're basically a three-layered envelope that protects your brain and spinal cord.

And there's a delicate inner layer, which is called the pier mater, which means tender mother or soft mother or pious mother. And so that wraps around the brain and spinal cord a bit like cling film. And then there's a really tough outer layer, which is just under the bone of your skull. And that's the durameter, the hard mother, tough mother. And then there's a middle layer, the arachnoid mater. And that's like a network of tissues. and the tissue sort of spread out like a spider's web.

So really it should be called a spider web mother, but it's not. The meninges is, you know, a baby at the top of their head, they have like a gap where the skull hasn't covered them up. Oh, yeah. The meninges is the kind of tough stuff that covers their brain, which means that at least the brain isn't sticking out of the head. That's interesting. I don't know that.

And also that little hole there, that is what the company Baby Gap is named after. I was just looking at the sort of things that happen in the brain, unusual processes and things like that. Yeah. I really like this. Your brain is so fast that you can judge whether someone is trustworthy or not, even if you haven't seen them consciously. Okay.

So they tried this thing where they showed people images for it like a fraction of it, like a millisecond, a couple of milliseconds, right? Too fast for people to consciously register they had seen a face. Yeah. They were either faces that were, you know, untrustworthy looking or trustworthy looking or whatever. I don't know what the criteria. What is that? Is it like one person they've got, you know, a fag out the corner of their mouth and a big overcoat on?

And a bag saying swag. No, I have no idea. Maybe they had to assess from people what they found trustworthy. Yeah. Some people might only trust people who look like sort of comedy burglars from the 1980s. But when they showed them those images, even for a fraction of a second, they didn't consciously see them. But the bit of their brain, the amygdala, which processes strong emotions, particularly in relation to whether you trust someone or not, fired up. Wow.

Isn't that weird? Wow. Do you know what the amygdala means? Almond. Yeah. The brain is just full of weirdly named stuff because it's like a structure and people could look at it hundreds of years ago if they took out someone's brain after they died and like name the bits of the structure.

It's just got all really old fashioned odd names like almond. Sea horse. Indeed. Oh yeah. The seahorse. It's because like if you are looking at someone's brain and you're like which bit do I need to take out and they say well it's the blah blah blah. in L or whatever, you wouldn't know what it was.

But if you say the sea horse, you can look at it and go, oh, that looks a bit like a sea horse. I'll take that bit out. Yeah. And the matter, the Pia Marta and the other martyrs, they're named after the fact that they kind of cover things like a mother might hold her baby. They come from the Arabic. Wow. I wondered with the speed that you were talking about a second ago, Andy, the, like I was just

thinking a quiz show, right? How quickly does the answer come to you prior to your fingers? the information getting to your finger and you pressing a buzzer, right? If you were able to hook up your brain to the bit that lights up that says you know the answer, how quick could it be? Are you pitching a quiz where no one actually asks the questions and people just buzz in and say, no, nook Manistan. No, you need the question.

Are you thinking that like you'll go on university challenge? Yeah. Everyone else is using their fingers like absolute noobs. Yeah. And you've got something attached to your actual brain. Competitive advantage. You've got your head on the button. Exactly.

That's it. I look like I'm keeled over. But no. Flyber, Australia. The only flaw in your plan, is that you actually wouldn't know any of the answers anyway, so it doesn't matter how you're pressing the button. I'm genuinely never got an answer right on a university challenge.

No, I think that's good, but they show you the question for a mini-second and the part of your brain, associated with Turkmenistan fires, then it's actually a team of neuroscientists who answer the question for you. But like several days later after the analysis. But it is the kind of thing

your brain does and mostly I associate this sort of thing with um that you know there's that split brain operation that used to be done on epileptic people it was like it was a revolutionary operation and you basically cut the brain in half down the corpus callosum which is a bit that splits the left side from the right side of the brain and it was amazing because it stopped people having epileptic fits when nothing else would work they did loads of experiments on these people whose two brains were working fine, but they couldn't communicate with each other. And so the reason I thought, for instance, of that university challenge thing was that someone who'd had that operation, they would be shown a picture of a face to their right eye, which goes into the left hemisphere, and they're asked

what they've seen, and they can say face. But if it goes into the other eye and into the opposite hemisphere, because it's going to the wrong hemisphere that doesn't process language, once they're asked what they've seen, they can't say face, but they can draw a face. I mean, Their language is still completely fine. But they'll just say, I've got no idea what I've seen, but their hand will draw a face. Here's my pitch. Yeah. It's a cop drama, right?

And there's a witness to a crime, but he only saw it with one eye, the eye which doesn't know what. But he can draw it. And you've got a cup, but he's only got the other eye. Yes. And it's basically pictonary. Pictionary cop. That's actually really good. And that can be a sequel to Dictionary Cop, which is...

Oh, right. I thought you were going to be like Bucceroo Cop. Mountstrapped cop Jenga cop He's got two hours To stop this building falling over It's not got any mortar It's just bricks But you know fine

It's a dry stone building And one of the bricks Has got a bomb in it But he doesn't know which one So he has to keep removing the bricks To find the bomb Without the building falling down But it's in a very congested area

So he can only put the bricks On top of the building at the top That he'd remove This is quite good Drystone water was probably set of the Cotswolds, so he'd have some lovely location filming before the, yeah, yeah. This is bloody good, Jane and Cop.

There is, just sort of one of the, a possible spy film, follow-up. Oh, yeah. Where you can basically get people to say things that they don't know they've said, I guess, because there was another guy who'd had his brain cut in half, and they asked him the question to one side of his brain,

they flashed the question, who's your favorite girlfriend? He was a boy, a lady boy, who's your favorite girlfriend? And then he was asked, do you know what question we've asked you? And he was shrugged and was like, no, I haven't seen anything. I didn't see anything. But then he spelled out, he giggled, said no, and then spelled out Liz in Scrabble tiles with his other hand. How awful is that?

You're just giving stuff away. Scrabble tiles. 10 points as well for the Zed. Yeah. You put on a triple word score as well. Well, and that's your follow up. Scrabble Cup. Scrabble Cup.

That's good. Have you guys heard of Heming Neglect, which is kind of in the same sphere here? Heming neglect. Heming neglect is when this is people who have had a stroke. There's a bit of brain damage. that goes on whereby they only experience basically one side of their visual field. So if they've gone to shave, they'll shave off half their face, but leave the other side because it's just not part of their field anymore, right?

If they're eating on a plate, they'll eat the right side or left side of the plate, they'll eat just one side of the plate. So it's not just that you can't see, presumably it's that your brain refuses to acknowledge that the other half is there. Your brain is refusing to acknowledge that it's there, yeah. But this is what's amazing. They started looking into hemi neglect within memory as well. So they managed to find a group of people where,

all of them had been to Milan. So they asked them the exact same thing. You're standing in the major plaza in Milan. Recall as many stores and streets around you as possible in the square. And they could only remember the stores and the streets that were on the right side and not the left. Incredibly good memories, though. If you asked me to name a shop, you know, on a square I'd lived on for about 20 years,

I probably couldn't do it. I could name a shop in Milan, in the central square bit. Oh, well, than you. Because they recently got their first Starbucks. And it was some controversy. Because obviously Milan, the home of cars. Coffee, good coffee. Yeah.

And there was a Starbucks there. It was a very nice Starbucks too. So that prompted a bit of local discussion. Or according to these people, there was a Bucks. Yeah. All of our brains are smaller than there would have been 3,000 years ago if we'd been born then. We've lost about four ping pong balls worth of brain. Whoa, that's a lot.

It is quite a lot. And it's not exactly clear what caused it. Because we invented agriculture 10,000 years ago as a species. It's not that. Like writing dates back several thousand years And it might be something to do with that It might be that I keep part of my brain In all of your brains

I wonder what that was No but like If you have lots of division of labour And you have a complicated system You sort of divide up the cognitive tasks And you need a bit less brain space Yeah I think there is a theory that domestication

Makes your brain smaller Because it works with animals for sure So am I domesticated? Well I think humans are domesticated, aren't we? Well no, we're the domesticated? But who's domesticated us aside from cat, according to the time of interpretation. Yeah, he's domesticated us.

The man. The man. Society has domesticated us. To be fair, I don't think I would thrive in the wild. I don't think you would either. I concur. Dan, anything to you contradict that statement? No, I think while I'm going off getting some berries

and Anna's going off killing a wild cat, and you're trying to think of some cop dramas. I know which of us is going to be the most useful in the group. In the future, we will need cop dramas to survive. Or need that hope that comes from knowing like, will he find the bomb? Yeah. Okay, brain fart. Yeah.

Like when you have a moment, you can't remember something, right? Yeah. This podcast has been a 10-year-long one, for instance. Sure. Yeah. What about a brain squirt? What is that? Brain squirt.

Quiz time. It's where you try and think of one thing, and it just shubs out tons of different things. It's like someone says, what's the capital of Malawi? And all you can think of is every other capital in Afroids. Oh, that's good. Yes, no, I was saying, yeah, that's probably closer than to mine, which you would be saying things that sounded right as a ramble. So like a quiz question like that, but you genuinely went, it's Michael.

No, Sarah, Joey Chandler. Right, moms do when they're trying to remember your name. They kiss me. They always run through, don't they? John, Katie, Claire, Hannah. James, James, come over here. It's just a feeble or abortive attempt at reasoning But it dates back to the 1650s

Oh, I'm having a brain squirt It was also, this dates back to old English Your brain locker What is that? Say it again Brain locker Brain locker It's someone who looks at a brain in South Africa

It's my brain locker It's just your head Is it what I was going to say? It's your skull? Oh, my brain locker My brain locker That crazy that we had a word for that It's one little hack

I was reading a lot of neuroscientists saying how you can hack your brain to make sure that, so if you're someone who forgets things a lot, or you have something important that you need to remember, and you just don't, you can't write it down or anything. Take something, take an object and just place it somewhere it shouldn't be. So if you're leaving the house, for example, and you're like, oh, why is this, you know, flute? Flute here. Yeah.

It'll make you go, ah, yes, I've been meaning to do that thing. It's a way of associating with a physical object. That's just a great hack. I feel like I do that with my hairband. I put one hairband on the other wrist if I need to remember something I put the second one on the other wrist if I need to remember a second thing

and then I put one back on the first wrist if I need to remember a third thing Oh shit Okay it is time for fact Number two and that is my fact My fact this week is that At the 1984 US Grand Prix It was thought that Ayrton Senna

crashed into a wall On the 47th lap But it turns out It was actually the wall that crashed into him. This is another case for Jenga Cop, I feel. This is an amazing story. So Sena is one of the greatest Formula One drivers ever.

His career was cut short because sadly, 10 years later, he did have a crash in a Grand Prix, which he died. So basically, he was in this Grand Prix, and he's heading on cutting a corner, very tight to the wall as he had done on previous laps. He nicks it. So afterwards, they, talking about it and he says, there's no way I hit that wall. I'm a precision driver,

and he was very cocky, Senna. I'm a precision driver. That wall came into me. So they went out just because, I guess, you know, they thought, well, maybe he's right. Let's check it out. And they noticed that the wall had moved. And the reason was is because a car... It was a human dressed as a wall, wasn't it? He was hiding from the Jenga cops. But it was also saying anti-Catholic propaganda at the time, wasn't it? Call back to last episode, everyone. So basically these walls were giant concrete blocks, and on a previous lap, a car had also hit this wall.

And what they'd noticed was that it hit it with such force that it had knocked the back of it. And so the front bits jutted out a tiny bit, but only by 10 millimeters is what they're saying. And we're saying that that was, he was so precise. He was so precise. That was enough. He knew exactly where he need to take it.

And so he nicked the wall. And this is how he is sort of known. He's known as this guy who, yeah. He was the best. I believe so. Right. I mean, there's countless arguments in Formula One fans, but for me, he was the best.

There you go. You heard it air first. So tragically, because he was cut off in his prime, we don't know where he would have taken it to. He won three world championships. He's been surpassed by Schumacher and others, but that's because of the longevity of a career. So, yeah, hard to know where he would have gone.

I didn't know why it's called Formula One. Oh, yeah. And it's just, the whole, it's the whole point of Formula One is that there is a formula and it's this set of rules that you have to adhere to. And they change the rules every, I don't know, every year or every couple of years. And, you know, then everyone has to build entirely new cars and it's a nightmare. And that is the formula that everyone's complying with. And it's about the weight and the aerodynamics and the blah, blah, blah.

And I used to know, well, I do know someone, a friend of mine, used to work on Formula One doing the kind of modelling, the computer modelling. of the aerodynamics of the cars. Basically, you just do that hundreds of thousands of times and modelling the airflow over a car to work out what's going to be best. And then they change the rules and then you have to adjust everything

in a fraction of a millimeter and all of this. It's amazing. And try and push it slightly further than everyone else is pushing it. Yeah, because there must be one perfect car theoretically. Oh, right. That would have the perfect aerodynamics

for these rules. I don't know. And they all cross the line at the same time. that's when you had to bring in some variables like Mario Cat the red shells the bonnettas A bubble that you drive into It goes bloop, blop, blop, blobs

It's really slowly down I mean it would all liven up what is up sometimes quite a dry sport to watch It is very This is I think true of quite a lot of sports Which is if you're not really into them and you watch them They seem quite boring on the outside And then as soon as you start reading about them it's like, oh my God, this is incredible.

Yeah. That's definitely sure of everyone, isn't it? Otherwise, it is just people going round and round a thing. But yet you can't make the cars too good. And obviously there are rules to stop you doing that. Partly for safety, because if you go too fast, it's very bad. And safety is massively cracked down in the last sort of 30 years. But there have been great cars made in the past that they've had to change the rules to stop happening again.

Like the six-wheeled car. Do we have the six-wheeled? Yeah, that's so cool. It's amazing. That was it designed by Homer Simpson? That's such a... Yes, it was. No, this was in the 1970s and it was Tyrol, one of the teams,

raced a six-wheeled car, realized that there would be an advantage to it because if you have four smaller wheels at the front rather than two big wheels, then I think you increase the amount of contact with the ground. So you've got more grip on the road. That is, you get more traction on the corners. Honestly, that is like they've got someone in from the outside who's never worked in Formula One before and said, look at this. How can we improve this car?

And they've got more wheels? More wheels on it. Imagine being in that meeting though When they were looking through it We've looked through the manual 30 times now There's nothing which says The maximum number of wheels is for it

We can do it That must be something In the rules happening That must be Every other car ever No it's not They didn't think of putting it in the rules Like saying you can't have a crocodile driving

They didn't think of that There is now a rule about the number of wheels But largely because they did this And at the time there were very slight problems with it Because they hadn't perfected the technology yet Because they'd only just invented the six wheel car

they did get a few podium finishes I think for that car but the FIA banned it in the end because they worried that we just get to a place where people were putting more on more wheels on cars you just have a hundred wheels on a car I think they did win they won one Grand Prix with it the Swedish Grand Prix right? Wow what a vindication that must have been what a moment are the cars longer because that's an advantage as well right

for tight finishes if your car is suddenly 10 metres long I can think of one problem is like when you go into the pit stop to change your tyres if you have to change 200 tires. It's going to take ages. Oh, those are I love the pit stops. Yeah. I do. Those are the, because those are that's a lot of variation in a race, isn't it? And they used to have a

lollipop man. Yeah. It's so sweet. It's really. It's really sad that they don't anymore, I think. Because they always build the tracks next to primary schools. But I do wonder, like, I just got a little old lady in a smock. She's chatting to some of the mums and all the Time is like, can I cross? Can I cross?

This pit stop has now lasted 18 minutes. So their job basically was to know when everyone had finished their jobs and then they lift up the lollipop and they could drive off. But now everyone just has a button. When you've done your job, you finish your things and then the lights change. It's rubbish. And that's, oh, that must be stressful as well. Because I can readily imagine fitting the wheel in 0.4 seconds

and then forgetting to press my button. Well, if you had your hair bag on your left wrist, you might remember that. Here's a crazy pit stop thing that you're not allowed to do anymore, which is, and do you guys remember ages ago, Lewis Hamilton, there was a bit of controversy about one of the races where you have your teams. So he's, he's, what's his team again? He's with Mercedes. Mercedes.

So he'd be on the track with another Mercedes rider, part of the same team. It made more sense for Lewis to win. So there was this big controversy that the guy in the lead slowed down and let Lewis take the win for the points for the team, basically. It is fine, but it's seen as it's not sport. basically it's they should be trying yeah but they do the same in cycling don't they i thought they haven't in cycling it's basically the whole spot yeah i think in formula one it's obviously taboo because it was a big controversy at the time when Lewis did it yeah but so what you used to be able to do in a pit stop is let's say

you have damaged your car yeah you could come in and they've called over the number two because you're the lead driver and they would just give you his car wicked so he would be out of the race yeah so would your number two driver you would want them to be pretty much exactly the same as you, right? If you're six foot three with a very spindly arms, you need another six foot three with spindly arms. So you don't have to fack around instead of adjusting the seats and then changing the aircon.

Oh, radio one. But that is the thing, isn't it? Because they all get weighed after the race. The driver at the car are weighed because if you're too light, it might be dangerous. And drivers lose about three kilos during a race of hydration, of waterways. Because they're so sweaty, right?

It's so sweaty. Apparently it gets so hot in there as well. Like that's what's, you know, it's sweaty, it's hot, it's boiling. And Damon Hill, there's a story. I couldn't find a good source for it, but it's claimed in a bunch of places that he brings in, for some reason, a thermos of cold black tea and the heat of the car. And the heat of the car makes it a nice piping hot tea for it to drink. I heard that. That's very funny.

The safety stuff is just nuts in the cars these days. It's so impressive. So these days, every single driver has a monocococ. which is it was when they used to have two cucks there was so many deaths tripping over a lot it's getting in the way of the levers

no it's a cocoon basically it surrounds the driver and it's sort of the core of the car and it's like the I want to say a very hard bag like it surrounds the driver and it keeps them safe even if they crash so they get into a bag

they didn't know I missold it dramatically it's just like the sort of central command pod of the car which actually encases the driver If you can imagine the meninges of the brains, it's almost like the meninges of the driver. That's exactly. It's like the very toughest mother. And they called it that, I would have known it straight away. Yeah.

And the, you know, the helmets are amazing. They have to be subjected. The helmets have to be subjected to 800 degree heat for 45 seconds. In case there's a fire. Or hot tea. Or hot tea. The boss has really taken a pattering. Every time you blink, you lose 20 metres of road if you're going in a fast Formula One car.

So you have to be careful when you blink. Yeah. And they've measured it and like drivers always blink at the same part of the course. It's really interesting. Really? Yeah. I read that one thing that if you play the sounds of the cars on a Formula One track to a Formula One driver, they'll be able to tell which track it is just from the sounds that the cars make.

Wow. Isn't that amazing? That's incredible. You need a special driver's license? Oh, really? Perhaps unsurprisingly. You need a super license. That's what it's cool.

Really? Yeah. Really? Is that right? So does that mean if I, took part in the Las Vegas Grand Prix starts this weekend. If I flew over to Las Vegas and took part in it, I'd get points for not having the right license. I think you probably would get points.

Yeah, yeah. Wow. Do it anyway. I'll try it. Shall I try it? In your electric car as well. They accelerate. They do accelerate well, but I'm not sure I could get around all the laps without recharging.

He's now had a lovely coffee at the supercharger. I wonder a psychopaths is that idea that they don't blink. I wonder if that would make you a better. There's one way, apparently, of spotting a psychopath, according to people who look into it, is they blink much less than a regular person. That's why they're forced to kill and kill again, because they're so annoyed about their dry eyes.

Just wonder if you blink less, are you a better driver? Are they all psychopaths? Is that you're saying, all these F-1 drivers? Well, Senna, just back to him very quickly, sounded a bit sort of like he was in an odd mental place, a lot of the time. Well, as in like, he never, whenever he arrived, his friend said he never said hi.

Like if he was coming to a race, he was just in a zone. He was just always kind of like Andy. I just sounds like rude. God, I said hi to you this morning and was an effort, frankly, but I did it. I think that's really normal. Like, I would say if you're racing, I can imagine not saying hello to anyone. Like, you've got to be so in the zone. How many people are you having to say hi to?

Because if it's just one or two people who are welcoming you, you're like, oh, yeah, great, you have a nice chat. But if it's like all the 50 members of the team are saying, hello, I'm like the big mascot in the silly suit. This is according to someone who works for the catering operation, Lindy Redding. She said he would never say hi if he was in the zone, but when he did say hello, it was very genuine. He used to kiss us and hold our faces, which was hugely intense, but absolutely lovely. You know what? Let's do the not hello next day. That's the greeting equivalent of doing the washing up.

so badly that they never said high don't say hi speaking of motor racing drivers have you guys heard of helenice hello nice helenice hello nice that's a great nice it's a person helenice yeah it was a person from the 1920s real name mariette elene delongue she was an exotic dancer who danced at the ritz in paris and then she had a skiing accident and couldn't dance anymore and so became a racing driver and she raced in five major Grand Prix in France. And she was in an accident, this is why I was reading about her because we were talking about safety. She was in an accident where she was in an alpha Romeo and she somersaulted through the air. And she wasn't wearing a seatbelt because you didn't have to in those days. Her car went into the crowd, killed four people. But she survived because

she landed on a soldier who absorbed the full impact of her body saving it. Oh, God. Did he die? No, he didn't die. What? Sorry, did she fly through the air or did her car? Her car did. Her car went one direction. Right. Killed some people.

She went in the other direction and luckily landed on this very pliant soldier. Wow. And they later married. I don't think they did now. That's amazing. It's incredible what you can survive. I mean, now they really survive extraordinary crashes because of the safety. But even when you look back in the day, I mean, in 1993, have you seen the quite a famous crash?

Two teammates actually who were called Fittipaldi and Martini. they were quite near the back, but one of their cars was just behind the other, and I think the left wheel, front wheel of one car, nick the back right wheel of another car, and it sent the front one into a full in-the-air backflip. Oh yes, yeah. Just does a backflip, happily lands, skates over the finish line. It's absolutely stunning.

That's showboating. It really is, yeah. Did they go with the headline, Martini Shaken and Not Sturt? I don't know. It should have done. Here's a little quiz moment for you all. Okay. Who is the guy who I think has done more Formula One races than anyone else.

I'm 90% sure. He's done more Formula One races than anyone else on the planet. More Grand Prix. Okay. So someone we must know of. Is it the Michelin Man? It's not the Michelin Man. Anna, I feel like you might have the answer.

I've got my hand. I'm bursting. Are you talking about the safety guy? The guy who drives the safety car. Has been doing it for nearly 25 years. He's done more than 450. Grand Prix. I can't believe it's the same guy.

I just couldn't believe it was just one bloke doing every single Grand Prix. So what does he do, sorry? When there's an incident on the track, yeah, there's an accident or like there's a horse runs out on the track, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, whatever.

The school day finishes. Receptions run out, lady pub ladies already, yeah. The safety car drives out onto the track and kind of regulates the service. Everyone has to, yeah, he drives around 20 miles an hour and everyone has to just slowly go behind them. And you're not allowed to overtake anyone.

Yes, of course, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that feeling when you're driving and someone's kind of coming up your ass? Imagine that times a million. This is what that guy's going through every single day. Someone coming up his ass times a million. That is a tough job.

How was work today, darling? Well, I had 20 men coming up my house. Want to sit down, no, it's all right, actually. It's all right. After 25 years, though, you kind of, you're hardened to it. Oh, God. Okay. He's a professional racing driver.

He's called Burt, Maylender. Is he? Burt, Bailender. That's great, though. That's really cool. I mean, I guess he's not had any accidents himself over all that time. So it does say it's quite stressful. And he says, can you guess the most stressful person to have behind you?

As in which racing driver is most. Yeah, which racing driver is most. Because he said they're quite aggressive sometimes. Chewy, it must be Schumacher. It's actually Lewis Hamilton, he says. Lewis Hamilton's really up in your face. I'm like zigzagging everywhere, like really pushing, going up towards you. What's the point?

You have to stay behind them. You keep your tires warm by zigzag. Get out. I think it's the most precise sport in the world. You guys have just written a book about sports. Oh, hopefully. Yeah. The big book of sports.

Everything to play for. Everything to play for. Yeah. Surely this is where the most thought has gone into the most tiny differences of like. Yeah, it is amazing. Must be technologically for sure. Right. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Like even there are in the formula, there are even limits on the amount of data you're allowed to use to simulate the car aerodynamics. You're limited to 25 terraflops of computing power when you're running the computer simulations of air flowing over a car you haven't even built yet. And then after all that stuff, like literally last night, the warm up for the Las Vegas Grand Prix, someone hadn't nailed down one of the manhole covers properly. Just smashed into the car.

Oh my God, I heard about that. They get sucked up, yeah. Why do they keep building manhole covers on the F1 tracks? Well, because it's in the actual streets of Las Vegas. And they have to nail down every single manhole cover before. I think they might not even use nails. They might use like concrete or something.

God, you don't want to be sort of a sewerage worker who pops up at the wrong one. Oh, fuck! An escaped convict. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it, isn't it? Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is Andy. My fact is, there is such a thing as a ghost pond.

Oh, splatch. Yeah. This is a... Sorry, we're all familiar with ponds. Maybe just give us a... Just for the people. Not from the UK. Well, no, actually, Dan, because, you know, what is a pond and what is a lake?

So it's a very large hill with just matter on it. Oh, no, it's the opposite of that. It's a small indentation with water on it. That's right. Sorry, I always get those mixed up. Oh, you got me there. You have me going. But basically, there are these things all over, particularly the UK, but I'm sure in other countries too.

In fact, all over Europe, they do know that. They, like, all the farms in England used to have ponds, like fields would have a pond here or there in them, and they would either provide water for cattle or they would, you know, they're just useful things to have. But then over the years they got abandoned and lots of them dried up, or maybe they got choked by fallen leaves, you know, and all these ponds are now missing from the UK. There used to be twice as many ponds as there are today in the 1970s. What a night, that? Yeah. I know. Why is no one marching?

Why is no one super-gling themselves to Heathrow Airport to bring the ponds back? Well, I think it's important that, like, ponds are great, because so many animals, like, animals and plants just... They want, sorry? They make that nice. They go, like, so many animals. You think we're saying the formula one. That was Dubai. Yeah.

That's right. I've got a pond. Have you got a pun? Have you? I don't have a pond. I want to. It's on my list of things I'd love to do. It's a dig a pond.

Very easy. Just dig a pond. Put some lining in it. Sorry, can you just tell us what these ghost ponds are there? Okay, so ghost ponds. No one must hear about my pond? Just don't have anything. We must go back to James's Pond in a minute.

But no, basically, they're huge biodiversity hotspots. You know, you get plants and species and dragonflies and beetles and all sorts of stuff before you just have a field. And, you know, they're really important for that. And basically, the mud remembers. It's really weird. Yeah. So all of these ancient seeds might be left in the indentation that used to be a pond.

And they can survive for over a century. And all you have to do, if you have that little dip in the ground, you refill it. expose it to sunlight and these old species just spring up and they come back with a vengeance and it's kind of staggering so there's a team at UCL the pond restoration research group led by Carl Sayer and they've been going around Norfolk restoring these ghost ponds and suddenly bang life biodiversity really important stuff which is really under threat at the moment they reckon there's 600,000 that are hidden still waiting to be restored in the UK alone it's amazing and it's not it's longer than that

isn't it for seeds? I'm sure we've mentioned and I can't remember the exact number, but like the oldest seed ever found that can still be, you know, watered and sunlit and grow is many thousands of years old. And so yeah, these can be many hundreds. And what I really like is that you can sort of see a ghostly evidence of them, can't you? Like from above, you can see it as like a slightly damp depression or it's a bit where crops don't grow as well because it's always been a bit too wet, the soils never dried out. And I think often farmers when they're expanding their land, Rather than drain them, because that's a hassle draining a pond, they'd just dump a load of earth in them, wouldn't they?

Or a load of plant matter, which doesn't stop them being wet. So they are, they have left their little pond prints. So cool. But also I think ponds, they kind of have like a life duration, don't they? It's like if you have a pond, like a pond forms, you dig out of a pond, right? Because you're a farmer. If you just leave it, after about 100 years, it will just cease to be. Oh, really?

Yeah. They just kind of, they slowly silt up and silt up and silt up. they die and it could be just like one really heavy rainstorm. A load of silk comes down. They're not a pond anymore. They're just like these ephemeral things that kind of come and go. They have to be kind of maintained, don't they? A little bit.

They do. Or you clear out the leaves and, you know, if they've got trees over them, that's a nightmare for a pond, apparently. Sure is. Can I tell you about the leaves that are falling into my pond? Yes. How big is your pond? Like the table that we're recording on.

Okay, the one that no one can say. Yeah. It's about half the size of that. Ooh. Nice. Okay. James would describe something the size of a basin. It's small.

It's a small pond. But you know, it's just for animals to come and drink stuff. You're not going to get a deer, are you? You're not a lion kneeling down. I don't think there will be wilder beast of lion sipping at my pond in North London. You're not that far off from the zoo. That's true. A catastrophic breakout and suddenly, this case looks out.

A watering hole. Humans make ponds. What else makes ponds? Aliens. Sorry, it's just going on. Yes. The equivalent of the equivalent. The crop circles, pond circles.

That would be lovely. Yeah, no. Non-human animals. Non-human animals, yes. I reckon, like, if you're a hippo and you sit down in some mud, then it might create a pond. Good point. Whether or not that would be intentional, I guess would be debated. Oh, you're saying deliberate pond makers.

Oh, beavers maybe? I guess they're damming things up. It's not really a pond. It's not quite, no. So, Andy, if you want to get a pond in your backyard, but you can't be bothered digging, buy yourself a Goliath frog. Oh, great. So Goliath frogs do this.

It's a really interesting thing where they move rocks, giant rocks, basically their own weight, and they get it so that they cut off water and they build their own ponds so that the eggs are more safe in there. They can keep attention to them, make sure the tadpoles and so on are all in the place. They're their biggest frogs, aren't they?

They are. For the people at home who can't see it, there's a glass of water in front of Dan. They're probably about two or three times bigger on that. Yeah, they're massive. big. And they think one of the, you know, there's always theories, but one of the theories is that their size is to do with mating, to do with the best rock movers and, you know, that's partially why they may be that big specifically because they build ponds. Do you know what else makes

ponds? So this is a subset of humans. Oh, okay, I was about to say elephants. A schoolgirls. A subset of humans. That wasn't why I was thinking of. That was a subset, though. That's a subset of humans. Yeah. Why? Are you questioning whether or not they're humans? I wasn't sure what subset meant I thought it meant it had to be like people from the southern hemisphere or like I thought it was bigger than just saying you know, slip not fans

you know Yeah just a group of humans You used to be a schoolgirls You used to be a schoolgirl I was trying to think of what a subset Would have humans would be I was just wondering if when you were a school girl You dug ponds and that you had inside knowledge

That I wouldn't have had No we got taken to ponds So we got told about mute So not school Not a set of humans who make a profession? No, it's more of a ideology. Zen gardeners.

Oh, okay. That is true, undoubtedly, but not who I was thinking of. Communists. Oh, the opposite. Oh. Fascists. Nazis. Yes, you got it.

So there's quite a lot of bomb craters around Europe. And if you drop a bomb, it makes a big indentation, and that indentation can then collect water and become a pond. Wow, so that feels. like a silver lightning. It is really and possibly a reason to start more wars.

No. I mean, Jocan Nazis were pond making, right? The Allies were pond making as well. We were all pond making. A lot of ponds in Dresden. Right.

Probably. But yeah, a lot of ponds made by both sides. And the thing is that they've done some studies on it and they did this in Hungary in particular and they found that

they found 274 species in ponds made by bombs and they include like for instance an algae which has previously only been found in Chilean salt lakes and a furry shrimp that had only been recorded twice in the last 25 years in Hungary and they were in these ponds made by mine. I mean this is what they find with these ghost ponds when they rejuvenate them. You get species that you haven't seen for many, many years and it's such a mystery I think

how stuff turns up how nature knows and particularly I think in slightly bigger ponds than maybe James's garden pond, but you'll find... No offence. I can't even imagine a pond bigger than James's garden pond. Please don't write in for me taking the piss up James having a small pond, okay? You get...

Okay, hear me out. New name of this podcast, don't write in. I was the Eels. James Harkin's Pondcast, do you reckon? Yeah. Come on, give us... You need a bit more detail, but I'm interested. Okay, first episode, guess what leaves are falling in my pond? Are you having a guest to your pond each week?

Yeah, but they'll be an animal so they can't talk. The first episode of Dragonfly and they just go, Z, Z, Z. Monica. We have to guess what animal is at your pond chat that week. It's almost always a snail.

It's never the wildebeest guys. So I always love eels in ponds because how did they get there? And all we know is that eels can move across sort of, not dry land, but across land that's moist, because they can breathe through their skin, not just gills.

So gills require some pressure for the water to be forced in, but they can actually breathe through their skin. So they must just flop out of a river, but then how do they find their way to someone's got a pond? Everyone's looking at me just to say, no eels in my pond. That'll be a big, big episode.

All in my hovercraft. Yeah. Like, I think, is there not an idea that sometimes things get in ponds because they're dropped by birds? There's an idea of that, yeah. Yeah, it could be that. Can I tell you about one of the most interesting ponds in the world?

Please. This is called Don Juan Pond in Antarctica. And it's really weird. It's very big. That's not the weird thing. It's full of water. That's not the weird thing either. Well, it's in Antarctica.

So being full of water is unusual. Exactly. That is the weird thing. And it's because of what this water is like, it's really dense and really syrupy. And it's full of calcium chloride. It's kind of salt, right? And the water remains liquid,

even 50 degrees below. freezing. Wow. 50 Celsius below zero. What's that all about? It's because it's the most salty body of water in the world, isn't it? And they don't know where the water comes from. I read an interview with a scientist who said,

we've been studying it for 60 years. We're pretty sure it's fed from beneath, but we're not totally certain. And what does the cold feel like if it's gone beyond the point of where it freezes into a block? Oh, I imagine very cold. I'd bet, right? You'd need a wet seat. Well, let's say you're swimming in regular water.

It freezes, right? So you can't dive into it. It's an ice block. You can't get in there, right? I know what you mean, but you will have been outside in the air temperature is lower than zero. Yeah, but no, I'm just curious what, like, water, just the feeling, the sensation. The other thing, really, really cold. I think it's just the only way anyone can have.

I don't think anyone. But no one must have ever jumped into this pond because they would have died. There we go. Here's what's interesting about that thing is you would be able to lie down in it and read a newspaper like in the Dead Sea because it's so salty, I guess. Oh, because you float. You float right on top of it. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't sink. Could you concentrate on what you were reading for how fucking cold it is?

It depends on paper, doesn't it? Yeah. Some tricky Guardian articles might be able to stretch. Like the long read you wouldn't get through. Got some quick bites in the sun. You'd probably be fine. You know, Vespasian, the Roman emperor, he heard about the Dead Sea,

and he heard that people were just float in it, but he didn't believe it. And he didn't want to try it himself, so he just got prisoners thrown into it to see what would happen. Oh, wow. And they floated? They floated, yeah. I will say, in case you're just going to book a trip that probably don't, A, right now,

but B, in case you were going to book a trip to the dead sea to float, disappointing. And a sank. I was quite cinchie. Tripping lines were of you. One star, sank. You'd had a big lunch. Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is James. Okay, my fact this week is that in 1912,

the woman with the most perfect feet in America was divorced because her husband was jealous of all the attention she was getting. Brilliant. It's relatable. James, can I just say? Is that because you got such amazing feet or because you want to divorce your life?

Can I just say, James, this was an impossible fact to research. Yeah. When you Google, nice feet or perfect feet in America, oh my goodness, there's a lot of stuff to get through first before you find out about. Yeah. Tell us about this woman. Well, she just had really nice feet. It was a stunt by the Carropodists of the USA to find the perfect foot.

And they eventually managed to find it on the end of a leg of a woman called Miss Clara Smith Houston, who coincidentally was also a caropidist. Yeah. Anyway. Suspects feels a bit rigged to me, doesn't it? It does feel a bit rigged. I don't know. You might get into an industry because your feet are so nice. People have complimented you your whole life, you thought.

Yeah. Well, anyway, this story made it into some newspapers, just as the Coropides had hoped. But the husband of Miss Smith Houston was not impressed, and he sent her a telegram, like really divorced by text, saying, friend, wife, not a great start. Congratulations on putting your best foot forward. Nice pun. Nothing like notoriety, no matter how cheap. Send your picture to the pink journals and call on me for cash with which to advertise. Raise yourself further.

Full stop. Your husband, full stop. And then Clara was later quoted in another newspaper saying that she decided if a man was so jealous, he would not even allow me to boast of a perfect foot, then I best give him up and all the luxuries with which he provided me. Except the one thing, happiness. Here, here. Here, here, Clara, Houston.

I agree. So his message, when he's saying advertise yourself in a newspaper, Is he saying, because you're single now? What's that second? I think it's, oh, you're now a foot person, are you? You know, you're now just sort of like trading on your feet. I think he was also implying that she was living off his money. And he was like, well, if you want more money just to advertise yourself to the world for your awesome feet, then fine.

Full stop. Your husband, full stop. Those agro full stops. So the question here is, what is the perfect foot? What did Clara have? And she had seven toes. She had seven toes. having 70 toes.

So she had nine inches. They were nine inches long. Do you know what size that is though? I just, no, I've just read it from this. So you've just written down nine inches, but you don't know how big or small that is. Presumably for a woman's foot.

Because actually, Dan goes into the shoe shop and he says, I reject your sizing system. I'm going to get you an inch as you can work it out. 256 barley corn is by good man. I'd like a shoe that's about the size of a glass, which I drank from the other day. I want a shoe that doesn't fit in James' con. Well, for the listener, it's size 3.5, which is a very small. And what is the, why is it saying 10 inches around the in-step?

The circumference, I suppose. Yes, okay, nice. So very, very small feet, 3.5. I mean, not freakishly small. No, but that is small. It's exactly one seventh her height in accordance with the Greek rule of sculpture. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.

Okay. This is from the day book where this was all published. It's amazing blog, by the way, that you found James. Yes. Second glance history, yeah, it's absolutely brilliant. And it was really nice because they had the cuttings of all the newspapers and stuff like that. So I didn't have to go digging for them myself. And then they found that there was a new perfect foot found in 1916, which belonged to a nine-year-old girl called

Mary Boker. This was found in Chicago and Mary's mum said Mary had very pretty feet when she was a baby. I felt nature's gift must not be marred. I began massaging her feet with cold cream to make them strong and smooth and rubbed them carefully to preserve

the natural outline. And so her mum realised when she was really young that she had really nice feet and then put special stockings on her so that she didn't damage the feet and all that kind of stuff. It's like the Williams' sister's dad, isn't it? I bet they made a Hollywood film of about her in the 30s.

I just don't, I don't get the whole feet thing. I know lots of people really like feet. 20% of men, I believe, only 3% of women, 20% of straight men. I think it was that, or maybe it was 10%. What do you mean, really? I feel like I... Fetishise.

Right, okay. Oh really. Because there's a website called WikiFete. Oh yeah. It features a great number of feet. Features greatly in your search history after this week. It does now. Oh dear.

Are there only three rules on WikiFeed? Only five toes. Like to be perfect. That's right The rules change constantly Every year updating their feet No so you have to be

It's normally people posting pictures of women's feet I don't think the men section on wiki feet Is enormous It's sort of women over 17 who are listed on IMDB So you have to be in the public eye somehow No copyright breaches And no adult content

But there are people who complain a lot They get enrous with each other on wiki feet They'll post on a photo NFS which means no feet showing, which is a point out. That is weird. But I think if it's if someone's wearing it, like maybe if you've got a wellie on. This is pointless to me.

I think if you've got a wellie on, you're on the right side. My friend has a page. It's a mutual friend. I won't say her name, though, because it is a bit of a weird site. But she has a page on there, and it has, like, ratings. So she has three out of five. Free! Yeah, which is okay.

She's got okay for you. You wouldn't get in the Uber, would you, if out of three out of five? I think it's a bit I mean obviously it's pretty odd stuff and it's I think you can if you say take my pictures off this website they do Yeah okay

They seem quite nice There was a journalist who writes for the Well I read an article in the cut Anyway so she writes for the cut And she was going out with someone Who said hey do you know you're on Wiki feed And she said no I don't And no so saw that she had indeed been uploaded

Her feet had been uploaded Because they get it off like public Instagram pages for instance So there were pictures of her on the beach on Instagram and someone's taking her feet. And she, I mean, she said, okay, I'll get in touch. So she got in touch with the person. And so she interviewed this guy who posted her feet.

And she was very fair, I have to say. And I thought he did seem a bit odd. And she did say at one point, I've noticed that sometimes within 10 minutes of me posting an Instagram story that shows my feet, the screen shot is up on Wiki feet. How does that happen? And he said, look, I don't just sit there looking for it. If I happen to see it and I like it, I'll put it on there. but I'm not sitting there all day and staring.

It's like, it sort of started off quite nice. And then he obviously, you know, he kept on saying what beautiful feet she had. I read an article that said that the incidence of fetishism increases as a response to epidemics of sexually transmitted diseases in history. Interesting. This was a guy called Dr. James Giannini and his colleagues who did the study. And they look back as far back as a 12th century

and they found that when there was a spy, In STIs, people preferred feet, and it might have been that they were just less interested in penetrative sex because they might get... Oh, so your feet are a bit safer to fancy? I guess so. Yeah. Because... Yeah, you know. What's the worst you can get?

Athletes' thoughts on your cock. Athletes cock. Yeah. I think they went all the way up to the 80s and they found, even in the AIDS epidemic, that when that happened, then the numbers of foot-oriented and foot fetish pictures in kind of porn magazines and stuff shot up there. Because, yeah, self-preservation, I guess. People are thinking, well, where else can I go? Can I tell you about Hogan Fukunaga? Yeah.

He was arrested in the year 2000. I know. Along with 11 acolytes. That's a bad start, isn't it? When you and your acolytes have been picked up. So he was the head of a cult in Japan, which offered followers analysis of their spiritual and mental health entirely based on their toes.

Right. So followers would pay 600 quid to have. their feet stroked and then looked at by Mr. Fukanaga. Consenting adults. Consenting adults. Consenting adults with more money than sense. And, no, consenting adults with maybe too much money on their hands and who fell for the story that, oh, I can predict your future through your toes.

And they were always... It's like a pedicure come fortune teller, right? Yeah, it's not, it's like cross my foot with silver. The predictions were all very suffering-based. They predicted, oh, you'll die of a horrible disease. or you'll fall into debt. So that wasn't nice. Right.

But you can avert your problems if you sign up for one of our lecture courses or if you buy a pinch of Buddha's ashes at a mere 120,000 pounds. Okay. They were running this cult for about 15 years. They made 500 million quid out of it. Wow.

Yeah. And then he claimed later on that he had been simply obeying the voice of heaven but that he had since forgotten what the voice had said. Rip a load of people on, maybe? I think so. It feels like in this court being called the head of the operation is the wrong title.

That should be the junior role. Yeah, you were absolutely right. Yeah, he was the big toe. When you have an enormous interest in feet, I believe it's called podophilia, which means there is a word that should be coined for people who haven't had normal interest in podcasts. So when I have Harkins podcast,

you might have Andy's podophile cast. Would you? Would all your acolytes be called podophiles? You could get badges made. I'm a podophile I shouted in the mob I was like my house No but there should be a word for people who like podcast lots

Because podophile is taken by the feet people Let's fill them feet of files Yes We'll take their word back But you know there should be something Audio file That's good But it's quite confusing

Because it's also an audio file Yeah That's what makes it so perfect Sorry it's actually better than a confusing, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So famous, famous names who love a foot. That include Elvis.

Are we really doing this? We're really doing. There's a lot of people who have admitted to loving feet and having a bit of feet. It's quite, it's just quite a turn for us, isn't it? Like celebrity toe suckers is what we're, apparently, this podcast is now about. It was a story, apparently Elvis really loved it. What's interesting is there is obviously quite a lot of famous stories about, you know, his henchmen would go out into a crown after.

a gig. Benjamin and cut off people's sleep. And they would bring them back to the volcano layer that Elvis had, his Grace land. His foot soldiers, yeah, they would go out. And they would, so, they would go, you know, go, you, do you want to come meet Elvis?

And obviously, it was, you know, to bring women backstage. And apparently, they screen their feet is what is often said. Well, they're crawling around on the floor and the gig, just looking for feet. Yeah, exactly. I dropped an earring, though. Presumly most women went to the gigs wearing shoes.

How are they doing that? I, you know, it's just a rumor. What, it's just a rumor? We know that he loved feet, and the story is that that was part of what it, you know, the screening is what would go on. The story is. Can I steer us back towards Carver Waters?

Sure. I think about corns. You know, you get corns on your feet. Oh, okay, yeah. Acony. Can you, can they transfer to your pain? I don't believe so. Cockcorn.

But they used to have street corn cutters, right? That was the thing. Oh, God, really? Yeah. I mean, it was, you know, it's sort of pretty... And it's obviously, if you have corns, they're really painful. What would you do? Would it be like filing a nail?

There are all sorts of procedures, basically. But the weird thing is, I just like this. I was on the blog, Foot Talk, which is another great foot-based blog. I really recommend it. But they used to be jingles. They would advertise themselves by singing jingles in the streets. And the weird thing about this is that sometimes celebrity composers would write jingles for corn cutters.

Really? Yeah, yeah. Like how celebrity are we talking? Mozart's got his... Irving Berlin. I'm going to say the name Orlando Gibbons. Oh my God. Yeah. Not Orlando.

Way. I mean, so he... Wow. He was famous at the time. He was the organist at Westminsterrabby. He was eventually named Virginalist to the King. That was a story he was called, that was it? Fertrchnell being a kind of piano, obviously.

Do we know how the song were? Sadly, I don't think we do. They're pretty sure that he came up with jingles for corn cutters as well, as a kind of sideline. I don't know if it was lucrative or fun thing to do. You guys have just reminded me, Wilf, my son, he used to love corn on the cob, but he always used to call it corn on the cock.

That was the phrase that he used. Can I tell you something about horses' feet? Yeah. Which I love, is that horses' feet. feet are always giving you a middle finger. One big middle finger. Every horse's hoof is what we call a horse's foot. It's just a big middle finger.

And this is because they once had five toes on their feet, many, many, millions of years ago. They're actually kind of three of them still visible because you've got two little vestigial ones. If you know, horses' legs, they're kind of a bit out of the leg. But the hoof is just the middle finger. And there's actually a biologist called Catherine Kavana, who recently was sorting through preserved horse.

embryos for reasons she didn't go into and she saw that in the very very early days of horse gestation they have five fingers on each foot and then you see it in the cells and it's like they're about to grow and then they decide not to grow because they've evolved out of it so let me ask you this if a horse with five toes rocks up to the Grand National are the regulations to say no rules against it no rules no rules and it's five times faster Yeah, ridden by a crocodile. You know that the women of Chicago have been famous throughout America

for abnormally sized feet. Big or small? Big. Oh, okay. In the early 20th century. So this perfect foot, the second one was in Chicago. And everyone was surprised

because people in Chicago usually have massive feet. What a funny cliche! It's so amazing. And I looked in the newspaper archives and sure enough, if you look, like before, you know, the 20s and search for big feet, Chicago, there's all these articles are going, yeah, they all got big feet. And then you get people in

Chicago saying, yeah, we do have big feet, but actually that also means we have big intellect. Wow. Yeah, sure it does. Is it so that, and is it just the women or is it the people of Chicago? It's just the women of Chicago. Is it so that they can like walk out over the Great Lakes and distribute their weight better? Oh, that would be good. Yeah. I thought maybe because it's the windy city, isn't it? And it would help you not to get blown over. Great shouts. Yeah. Yeah. All these uses. That's evolution. That's such funny. Is there any evidence behind it? Is it, is it true? I can't be true. I mean, I'll be honest, I haven't gone to Chicago and measured all the women's feet.

But it can't be true. Get Elvis Henshman to go and do it. Okay, that's it. That is all of our facts. Thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to get in contact with any of us about the things that we have said over the course of this podcast, we can all be found on our social media accounts. I'm on Instagram on at Schreiberland, James.

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