No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As Old Mother Bastard

Episode Date: May 1, 2015

In a special UK General Election episode, Dan, James, Anna and Andy discuss animal politicians, saunas in the Sinai desert, and the first 'thing' ever. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:02 Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber. I'm sitting here with Anna Chisinski, James Harkin, and Andy Murray. And this is our UK General Election Special Podcast. The only UK General Election special podcast out there that makes absolutely no mention whatsoever of the UK General Election. So once again, we've gathered around the microphone with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. and in no particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, James Harkin. Okay, my fact this week is that the first thing was a parliament.
Starting point is 00:00:49 So the first thing called a thing. First thing called a thing was a parliament. This is an etymology thing. An etymology. I think you mean an etymology parliament. So let me get this right. The oldest non-parliament, which is still going, is the Elfin. which is in Iceland. It's been going since the 10th century.
Starting point is 00:01:10 And that was called Alfing from the Icelandic, which they used for a parliament. And then in old English, they used this word thing to mean a parliament as well. And then they used thing to mean a place where people got together and decided on laws and stuff like that. And then a thing was something you brought to the parliament if you had a problem, like it was your, you know, my thing is that my neighbour is stealing my goats. and then a thing became any old thing and then it became what it is today. Did that make sense? Yes, yeah, make total sense.
Starting point is 00:01:40 The journey of the thing. Yeah, so basically I thought we just talk about the history of parliaments and Icelandic parliaments in particular because Iceland, like I said, was the oldest ever parliament. It was 9.30. And it was basically everyone would turn up to this particular part of Iceland. It's actually the place where the North American and the European continents are right next to each other.
Starting point is 00:02:04 You can jump from one to the other I've been there. It's quite cool. Oh, wow. And that place is called Thing Velier. And yeah, it was going from 9.30 to 1799, then it was abolished for a few years and then reinstated in 1844. And it's been continuous ever since. I like the simplicity of the Icelandic terms, like having it in Thingfield. And didn't they used to make their decisions on Law Rock?
Starting point is 00:02:33 I think, which is in the middle of Thingfield when they met originally. Yeah. Oh, that's so good. I do really like Icelandic politics, mainly because of one character I've come across and looking at this. So Andy's shaking his head.
Starting point is 00:02:45 John Gnard, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his surname, right? Did you read about John Gnar? No. John Gnar is fantastic. He basically, he set up a satirical party called the best party.
Starting point is 00:02:55 And, yeah, the idea of the best party was that he was just going to challenge all of the things that he thought was wrong that politicians were doing. So part of his, political promises was that he said that everyone would get free towels and swimming pools. That's good. Yep.
Starting point is 00:03:08 A polar bearer for Reykivik Zoo. Okay. All kinds of things for weaklings. What do you think that means? I don't know, but I'm voting for it. And he wanted a Disneyland there as well. But he actually got in, which is really exciting. He's like a post-punk guy as well.
Starting point is 00:03:25 When it's gay pride day, he dresses up in drag. One of the problems was with the free towels. He did it just as a joke, but then when he got in, he realized that actually they had to make a lot of cuts because there have been really bad economic problems in Iceland. So he couldn't give free towels to people after all. So he couldn't keep his money. He actually doubled the price of towels. They asked him about it and he said, yeah, I had to raise everything that could be raised, all service fees and no free towels. In fact, double the price.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Wow. My favorite thing of all about him is that upon being elected, he said that he would not enter a coalition. government with anyone who hadn't watched the series The Wire on HBO. So another good thing about Icelandic politics, they had the world's first openly gay head of state. And that was Joanna Sigurdar Dottia. And she was a lesbian and she was head of government from the 1st of February 2009. She's pretty cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:29 A few of the things that Iceland's really good at. they've had more Nobel prizes per capita than anywhere else. Apart from there's a few very, very, very small places that have a few more. If there's only one guy in the country, that's what I want, a country where 100% of people have a Nobel Prize.
Starting point is 00:04:45 They have the most expensive big Macs in the world. Why are they so expensive? Just because you've got to get all the food over there and also it's to do with their currency being very strong. Yeah, everything's quite expensive in Iceland, isn't it? How much are we talking? We're talking five, ten, ten, Well, last time I got the figures, which was a few years ago now, and they've had a few trouble since then.
Starting point is 00:05:05 It was $6.67 each for a Big Mac, and that was compared to the equivalent of $3.32 in the UK. Wow. Wow. So it's twice as expensive. Is that with fries? Not a Big Mac meal. Okay, well, I don't know. I don't know. Do you know about Icelandic horses? No.
Starting point is 00:05:25 They're very cool. Are they? Yes, and they're very lonely. It's the most isolated breed in the world. not allowed to import a horse into Iceland ever. Okay. You can leave if you're a horse, but once you leave, you can't go back. No way. Yeah, because they are worried about the Icelandic horses getting diseases or foreign horses infecting them. This is supposedly one of the oldest laws in the world. It was supposedly decreed by the Althing in 982. 9-2, which, I mean,
Starting point is 00:05:55 no one's quite sure, because the records are obviously quite scammed. But it's quite, it's quite difficult because they lost about 70% of their horses in 1782 because of volcanic ash poisoning. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So there were slim pickings there. But they have recovered since 1782. Yeah, it's difficult with Icelandic history because it kind of morphs into the sagas quite a lot. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:19 So until 1980s, the Icelandic sagas were taught as history. Well, a lot of them are historical, though. So they've found, for instance, the history. of the fact that it was Icelandic people who first got to America. There's archaeological evidence, which exactly backs up what was in the sagas, which said that. I think it's kind of half-true and half-Mediopey stuff. Yeah, that's kind of like Sweden. Have we ever mentioned the fact that Swedish kings, about, was it eight or nine of them, are fictional?
Starting point is 00:06:48 Because they come from their legends, don't they? So Swedish King Charles, I want to say 16th or 17th, is actually only the 11th king. Here's another old law, speaking of Parliament and laws, as you were. Since 1313, it's been illegal to wear suit of armour in the houses of Parliament, and it still is illegal. Is it? So you can't do that. Why not?
Starting point is 00:07:11 I guess because it would have seemed like a declaration, like maybe a declaration of war, like you were going into, although weirdly, it's illegal to have a suit of armour there, but they do have still in the cloakroom for the MPs and also in the lifts, they have hooks for your sword. In the lifts. Apparently, there was a guy who went to the house in the arm recently in the lift,
Starting point is 00:07:32 a hook for the sword. Do you remember in the 14th century they had those lifts that people used to put their sards in? Yeah, the invention of the lift post dates, swords going out of fashion. You would have thought.
Starting point is 00:07:43 By about 200 years. You don't know what's fashionable in the houses of parliament. They're still very in. And also, how long is the journey of the lift? Yeah. They're like, oh, I'm just going to take the sword off with the duration.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Well, it's a very old list, so they were slur in those days. How old is it? In the 14th century. No, I don't know. I think it's just must be a customary thing. Apparently quite a lot of plastic swords are hooked onto the hangars in the cloakroom. It's going in with plastics. There is the idea that you, have we mentioned this before,
Starting point is 00:08:16 that you're not allowed to die or that it's illegal to die in House of Commons. Yeah, that's not true. So you can die there? Of course you can. Who's going to stop you? Most of the, it's illegal to die. No, no, no, but the... Sorry, not illegal, but it's not recognised.
Starting point is 00:08:33 But it is. It is. So you can die in Parliament. No one actually knows where that myth even comes from. Oh, really? Okay. Oh, you're finding about etymology, speaking of the English houses of Parliament.
Starting point is 00:08:44 The origin of the phrase in the bag, I think one of the best estimates of where that comes from is from the partition bag, which is the bag that is hung on the back of the speaker's chair. Is this not true? I don't know. You're looking at me really weird. I don't reckon it's true.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Because I just think it comes from there being bags. Where's that pig? It's in the bag. I don't mean, I mean, maybe it's true. Maybe it's true. Where's that pig? I can't tell you because there's just no phrase. Wait, so what's it so in parliamented?
Starting point is 00:09:20 I should clarify. I mean, the metaphorical meaning of in the bag to mean, this thing that I wanted to happen is going to happen. is going to happen. It's from, in Parliament, there's a bag, a velvet bag that hangs over the back of the speaker's chair. It was if you wanted to lodge a petition in Parliament and you were too shy to announce it out loud,
Starting point is 00:09:36 then you dropped a little petition paper in the bag. It's in the bag. It's in the bag. Wow. That's very cool. Just a theory. Just an etymological theory. Where's your petition?
Starting point is 00:09:46 In the bag. No, that's the pig bag. Okay, time for fact number two, and that is Chazzynski. Yep, my fact is that one of the largest majorities in a Brazilian local election was won by a rhino. So a rhino got elected. A rhino, well, annoyingly, she didn't get elected. So this was a rhinoceros called Kakareko, who was a rhino at Sao Paulo Zoo. And this was in 1958 at the council elections.
Starting point is 00:10:16 And she just got this massive majority. So this campaign was started by a bunch of students a few days earlier, who managed to get her added to the ballot paper. And 100,000 people voted for Kakareko. and the second highest vote number of votes anyone got in that election was 10,000. But she didn't get elected into office in the end. Why not? Oh, because she's a rhino.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Some little detail of bureaucracy which bans rhinos. The person who came second got in. Yeah. Doesn't Kakareko mean rubbish as well? Yeah, it means like pile of rubbish. And that's because she was... It's because she was a really formless baby when she was born, which does seem kind of harsh.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Apparently she was really ugly, though. The zookeeper was really harsh about her, in fact. So the idea was that we're voting something so hideous and ugly and stupid, and yet it's probably going to be better at this job than a politician. Well, I hope she had a very scathing acceptance speech. To everyone who doubted me along the way, I'm coming for you. So on animals being elected to things, I can highly recommend the Wikipedia page list of non-human electoral candidates, which is very strong. Do we hear some examples, please? Well, there's, and I'm quoting directly here,
Starting point is 00:11:32 there's New Zealand's McGillicuddy Serious Party, is the name of the party, that entered a goat in a local election, and then it says, but their attempt to have a hedgehog stand for Parliament was unsuccessful. Also, in 2001, a dachshund called sausage, or sausage, was a candidate... Thanks for that, by the way. In Marseille, in the municipal elections there.
Starting point is 00:11:56 And he got 4% of the votes, which is a lot more than quite a lot of fringe candidates. And then a few years later, he went on their equivalent of Big Brother, which is called Secret Story. Oh, I remember that, yeah. And because the point is that when you enter, you have to have a secret, and his secret was that he was a candidate in an election. He had to enter under an assumed name.
Starting point is 00:12:16 So he ended the house with the nickname, secret. That was his nickname. That was his nickname? But if the whole house was about every single candidate having a secret, didn't they all have the nickname secret? What else was on that list? I've got one if you want.
Starting point is 00:12:33 There was a sock puppet called Ed the Sock, who attempted to run for the Fed Up Party during the Canadian federal election of 2011. How did he fare? He attempted to run, so I don't think they allowed him to. It's a shame. Actually, one of the people who's running against Ed Miliband in this election for the official Monster Raving Looney Party
Starting point is 00:12:56 is called Nick the Flying Brick. But he's not a brick. He's a human. Oh, okay. Imagine the disappointment when you thought he was a brick. You voted for him and then it turns out to be a human. Or maybe it's a pleasant surprise. It was like, God, I voted for a brick
Starting point is 00:13:10 because it was the lesser of two evils. He turned out to be a person. It was great news. I only voted for you because of the housing crisis. Since you mentioned the Monster Raving Nunny Party, so going back to the Kakareko, Rino Fact, Canada's equivalent of the Monster Raving Nuni Party, was called the rhinoceros party.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Oh, right. Canada's equivalent of the... Is that just a coincidence? No, it's not. It was named after Kakareko. So they had some quite funny policies. In the 80s and 90s, they determined to repeal the law of gravity
Starting point is 00:13:40 to provide higher... Yep, didn't succeed, as far as I know. Although we are doing this on the ceiling, which maybe... They said they'd provide higher education by building taller schools. They said they'd count the thousand island, to make sure America didn't steal any.
Starting point is 00:13:58 And then they had this platform, this election platform in 1984, the Rhino Party of Canada, where they declared war on Belgium. They said they declared war on Belgium because in an episode of Tintin, a rhino had been blown up. And it turned out that rhino was Cornelius the Rhino's grandmother. And Cornelius the Rhino was the nominal leader of the Rino Party of Canada. Okay, so this fictional rhino was the... Cornelius and the Rino, sorry, was a real rhino. But his grandmother was a fictional writer.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Yeah, I don't know how that happens. So, yeah, they said they declare war. And then the ambassador to Canada from Belgium decided, so he made an announcement saying, I saw I had a crisis on my hands. And they declared war saying the only way they wouldn't actually go to war with Belgium was if Belgium handed over a case of mussels and a case of Belgian beer to the rhinoceros,
Starting point is 00:14:52 delivered to the rhinocerxes hindquarters. as they said. And the Belgian ambassador to Canada actually, you know, made an announcement saying, I will hand this over. I don't want to create an international crisis. And they turned up in Montreal, and they all met, and they had a really great day eating muscles and drinking beer. And, you know, war was averted. Wow. Yeah. Thank God. So we should really declare war on anyone who we want free beer from. Everyone, the champagne region. Yeah. They've been pissing me off for a while. just about Brazil which is where the Rhino was elected
Starting point is 00:15:25 and funny people getting themselves elected I find this so extraordinary that recently I think this year or last year the highest number of votes ever recorded in a congressional election in Brazil has been recorded and won and this was won by a clown called Tiririca and so he's just been elected to Congress
Starting point is 00:15:44 for Sao Paulo and yeah he's got the highest number of votes ever received by anyone in Sao Paulo So his election platforms included, or his slogans included, things like, if it can't get any worse, vote Tirareka. What does a federal congressman do? I really don't know, but vote for me and I'll let you know. If elected, I promise, I'll help all Brazilian families, especially mine.
Starting point is 00:16:04 And he's just a complete joke and got more votes than anyone else in Sao Paulo has ever. That's amazing. Yeah, they're really like jibbing at the proper election candidates, don't they? Yeah. Yeah. I'm presumably quite hard canvassing as a clown, because you're constantly saying to people, shake my hand, You don't want to be holding babies too much
Starting point is 00:16:23 I was really surprised by the fact that as someone who I've read tons of comedy biographies comedians are largely my heroes and so many comedians go into politics there's a lot of in America at the moment Al Franken he was a Saturday Night Live writer he's now a politician Eddie Azard has said that he wants to run
Starting point is 00:16:43 Russell Brande seems to be Al Murray currently in the election we're not talking about. He, uh, I was surprised, though, there's an old comedian in America called Gracie Allen. Gracie Allen was one of the top comedians
Starting point is 00:16:58 of her day in America, household name, and she ran, she went on a 34 city tour, she was running for president. Um, she, uh,
Starting point is 00:17:05 she ran as a candidate of the surprise party. Uh, she had a kangaroo as her mascot. I love that, the surprise party. Yeah. Yeah. I also know the way you delivered that really deadpan.
Starting point is 00:17:16 I said, that was just a normal party. name. Yeah, you could have other ones, couldn't you, like, the sex party? No. Why was that the first thing that came to? The fancy dress party? Yeah, the house party. Yeah. Which is actually about housing. Very important. Yeah. But this is what my favorite thing, just relevant to a conversation we had earlier, so she had a kangaroo as a mascot, and her slogan was, it's in the bag. Isn't that great? Yeah. So, speaking of famous people becoming, going into politics, of course, Ronald Reagan was a famous actor before he became president. But when he was running, the TV stations couldn't show his
Starting point is 00:17:53 films because if they did, they would have to allow equal time to the other candidates. So if he has a movie, which is like 90 minutes long or 100 minutes long, the other guy has to have a 100-minute party election broadcast. I think it's unfair. I think they should force one of the other guys to make a film. Yes. To be in a Western all of a sudden. Yeah. That's a great idea. Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State was called Donald Reagan, wasn't he? Yeah. Yes. So weird.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Okay. One similar thing, which is some animals vote in their own elections. What? So they're not getting votes in our elections. They're doing their own things. So monkeys have police. No, they don't. Well, they have their equivalent, let's say.
Starting point is 00:18:42 So they have peacemakers who, when there's trouble, will kind of come in, and sort it sounds like they're more like um... UN peacekeepers. Yeah, they are a bit like that. But unlike the UN peacekeepers, they're democratically elected. And inferior monkeys bear their teeth to a more dominant member of the group to get elected. Wow.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And once you're elected, they have responsibilities such as breaking up fights. And if you remove the peacekeeper from the group, then all sorts of nonsense happens. And everyone goes crazy. That's amazing. Another animal who votes sometimes is Buffalo. So if you have a load of Buffalo in an area and they need to decide which way to go, they'll all kind of stand up in turn and do a little stretch thing, and then they'll sit down and then put their head in a certain direction.
Starting point is 00:19:27 And then once everyone's done that, whichever direction is the most common, the most democratically chosen, is the direction they'll go. That's amazing. How do they, can they see? They can see, yeah, they have eyes. No, but I mean, how do they see however else is voted? Because normally you have someone looking over. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:19:44 I don't know if they have like a person like collating the votes. Yeah. Can you spoil your ballot by shoving a head in the ground or something? Yeah. Okay. Has anyone got anything else before we move on? Just speaking about political animals, like, you know, non-humans,
Starting point is 00:20:03 so I got really into reading about David Cameron and George Osborne's pets and their relationships with each other. And they really do have a fascinating relationship. So basically there's the official mouser, isn't there, traditionally, who is the Prime Minister's cat, who's supposed to keep the mice out of Downing Street. So that was Cameron's cat, who is called Larry. It was reported last year that David Cameron has rebuffed calls for Larry to resign
Starting point is 00:20:29 because he's too lazy. There was a prime ministerial dinner recently, and a mouse appeared at it. So Larry's obviously not doing his job. There were photographs taken of Larry, who was just lying asleep in the corner for the entire duration of that dinner. So Larry... Fat cats in government.
Starting point is 00:20:49 But George Osborne's cat Freya was astray and is an awesome mouser. So it ended up sort of taking over from Larry and Larry and Freer became joint mousers. I think Larry was sort of, you know, the face of cabinet mousing. But Freer was doing all the hard work and catching all the mice. And Freer used to appear all over London and used to have to be... Hang on. Why did Freire used to appear all over London? just like to wander. She used to be a stray.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Oh, right. Sorry, I think you meant at election events and things like that. It does kind of sound like the Cheshire Cat as well, isn't it? Just a period. It also sounds like, you know, when a president or a prime minister is visiting your house, the sort of secret service come into a swoop at the house, and Freya comes to does a mouse hunt before. That's good, Cameron. You're good to go, mate. No, my idea.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Larry useless, you see being in the boot of the car again? Yep, classic Larry. So, Freya was once found wandering the street. streets of Vauxhall by a woman at about five in the morning who was working for a homeless charity who was trying to help out homeless people who were sleeping rough. So she found Freya and she called up the number on Freya's little collar. I was like, oh, it's the chance of the ex-jacket. Come and pick up your cat, please. And she was quoted as saying, I did find it slightly ironic that I've been up at 5 a.m. trying to help 24 people who've been
Starting point is 00:22:05 sleeping rough in Newham and we couldn't find anywhere to send them and then this cat gets chauffeur-driven home. And she did use it for some strong political satire as well. She tweeted, found on the streets of Vauxhall, not everyone is as lucky as Freya, George, please stop cutting homeless services. So if you want to make a heart-hitting political point, I think find an
Starting point is 00:22:25 MP's cat. And then... Also, it sounds like Freya needs a Twitter account to rebuttal and say, oh what, so I'm not worth going back into her house? Because she kind of sounds like she's pissed off at Freya. You're right. She's taking out on Freya, who's really the victim. So Freya's now been sent away to the
Starting point is 00:22:41 countryside because they got a dog. I think that means Freya's dead That's another euphemism, is that? Oh my God I bet that's true All the news reports say that she's been sent away and looked after really carefully by a member of staff in the countryside
Starting point is 00:22:54 because the family got a dog With the classic lie That's terrible Okay, time to move on to fact number three That's my fact My fact this week is Finland's parliament Sometimes makes decisions in their sauna
Starting point is 00:23:12 Oh, political decisions, Political decisions. Or just decisions like, should we get out now? No, they love saunas. They love saunas. So they have a sauna in the parliament, did that? Yeah, they do. Their parliament has a sauna.
Starting point is 00:23:28 They just absolutely love saunas. I found this amazing speech by a guy called Mr. Perti Tostilla. He's a secretary of state, and he gave this speech at the International Sauna Congress, which they have, and this was in 2010, and it was actually in Tokyo that he gave this. So I'm just going to read you a bit of his speech. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, there are about three million saunas in Finland, more than one for every two of the 5.3 million Finns.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And did you know that Finland is a country where there are more saunas than cars? Practically all the houses in the rural areas have saunas of their own. It's hard to imagine a Finnish summer cottage by a lake without a sauna. And he goes on into talking about how Nokia has built saunas for their employees in their company's gyms. He said, Finns carry their saunas with them wherever they go. What? What?
Starting point is 00:24:17 What? Yeah, all the 98 Finnish diplomatic and consular missions in different parts of the world have their own saunas. Oh, okay. So, sorry. Yeah, that's not really leading. Yeah. Our representatives here in Tokyo take pride in their two saunas.
Starting point is 00:24:31 The embassy sauna in Tokyo was the first Finnish sauna built in Japan, but certainly not the last one. I'm sure there are many Finnish saunas in today's Japan, and the Japanese guests and friends keep queuing to them. They love saunas. Yeah, I got it. that's a speech actually. Although, apparently, this was a statement made by,
Starting point is 00:24:50 not a statement, a comment made by Ollie Rain, who's a Finnish politician who's serving as a European commissioner for financial affairs. And he said that with increased emphasis on gender equality, it's becoming harder and harder to have political discussions and meetings in saunas. Because they are naked saunas, so Finns don't gender mix their saunas, men or sauna and a different sauna to women. I guess there is something nice about doing a debate with all your clothes off
Starting point is 00:25:14 because it's like you're naked you're kind of letting yourself be shown as you don't have anything else around you you know yeah there's a story about I mean I don't want to see it in the British palin in particular yeah let's not introduce it to a podcast or anything but what do you mean
Starting point is 00:25:30 there's a story about Caesar doing that in the Roman Senate I think it was he someone said he's got a knife like in Crocodile Dundee and he lifted up his toga to show his thigh where you would apparently keep a knife and there was no knife there
Starting point is 00:25:48 so that was the point but that's pretty saucy it is saucy he could have done with the knife considering what happened later to be honest um Krushchev that is you know
Starting point is 00:26:03 ancient Roman satire just doesn't cut it on it on it What are you going to say? I was going to say that during the Cold War Chrischev visited Finland for the president of Finland's 60th birthday and the two of them stayed in a sauna until 5 in the morning
Starting point is 00:26:19 and they came out and they'd resolved a whole bunch of international issues so Chris Jeff came out and expressed his preparedness to support Finland's desire to integrate and cooperate with the West which is obviously quite a radical thing for Finland to want to do it at that stage. So yeah stay up till 5 a.m. and Asana with a Soviet
Starting point is 00:26:35 and they will give you concessions. That's a long time to be in a sauna. I mean they might have gone at 4.30 a.m. I actually don't know the start time. So that prime minister would have been Erho Kekinen. Yes. So the good thing about Kekinen is in the 78 elections, he won, obviously.
Starting point is 00:26:52 And they had a thing where they read out the vote count on the radio, as in they read out who everyone in the country voted. What? And they did it in groups of five. And so there's like this longstanding kind of joke in Finland, which is like Kekinen, Kekinen, Kekinen, Kekinen. Keckinen Keckinen Can you imagine that?
Starting point is 00:27:15 That must have been the best radio Well, not the best But, you know That is mental Did they just not have any creative Programming ideas For a few weeks I think it was to show
Starting point is 00:27:24 Like show that there wasn't any dubiousness Or anything They're saying right The hero of all the boats We're going to count them all That's really cool You can't lie in out An extra Kekenen on radio
Starting point is 00:27:34 It must be very hard to read out as well Because presumably If he lost count Halfway through Yeah. Oh my God. Imagine the announcement. I'm sorry, we're going to have to start again.
Starting point is 00:27:45 Or if they said... This time, definitely. You know what they say? Ninth time's the charm. Keckhinen. Keckhinen. So, this is true about them taking them overseas. So when Finnish troops have peacekeeping jobs overseas,
Starting point is 00:28:03 they take a sauna with them, even if the country they're going to is boiling hot. So when they got to the Sinai Desert, in the 1950s, they built 35 saunas, including one which had wheels. And in the Golan Heights, they made sure that both the Israeli and Syrian ambassadors had access to a sauna. Maybe, though, you could use it. If you're in the desert, you could kind of go in there to cool down.
Starting point is 00:28:27 Maybe. It's a bit like a waste of water, doesn't it, in the desert? You're piling water into your sauna. No, I just think it's kind of like the fact that people in the... the North Pole use refrigerators to keep things off, to stop things from freezing. That's amazing. So it's kind of like that, isn't it? Yeah, that is very cool.
Starting point is 00:28:48 There's actually a hot tub in the South Pole, a natural one. A natural? Yeah, it's basically, there's a volcanic-y sort of area on one of the islands of the South Pole, and the water is naturally heated. And so people actually go, people who are stationed there, go and actually sit in this natural hot tub. And the Italians over there bring their own jacuzzi anyway. He's like, well, we'd rather have our own one. The jacuzzi brothers used to make planes and propellers.
Starting point is 00:29:19 That was their original line of work. I guess it's jacuzzi, really, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And yeah, then one of them had a son who was very ill and needed, I think, the sort of massage qualities that a jacuzzi would have. And so they rigged up a very, very basic jacuzzi, just kind of a length of pipe bubbling through some water to help his son, and it kind of took off.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Unlike their planes. So in Austria, there's a town called Lins in Austria, and there's a health and fitness center there that has had to deploy undercover naked security guards to infiltrate its saunas. They're not under much cover, are they? They've got to stop like hanky-panky going on in the saunas, so they're employed to sit there naked in the saunas,
Starting point is 00:30:04 and then if people start fondling each other, they have to be like, I don't know where they keep their badge, their people's identity. gun. Women traditionally gave birth in saunas. Did they? Yeah. Can you stop saying, I know it's the way we're supposed to say it?
Starting point is 00:30:19 No, I can't. I never will. I never will. It makes me feel sick. Sauna. Sauna. Women traditionally gave birth in them because the walls of a traditional smoke sauna were lined with soot and that had kind of bacteria-resisted properties, supposedly,
Starting point is 00:30:36 which made them a bit more hygienic than... Could just line the walls of a room that's... a comfortable temperature with so. So in Moscow, earlier on this year, a man got his testicles stolen while he was in the corner. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Wow. He was... You put him down. You put him in the little lockers and you think you're going to be safe. You've got to put you pound in the locker. It's a false economy not to put the power. in the locker.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Was it an innocent mistake? Did someone else leave their testicles? And he just picked up the wrong pair? Later on, walking down the street, these aren't mine. I'd least trail a bit. Should I hand them in? It might have been...
Starting point is 00:31:31 Can you describe them any better? Oh, that testicles. So, look, it actually sounds like a really horrible night with this guy. He was, he started out in a bar and this woman approached him aside talking to him and he explained to the news station that was interviewing him. We drank a beer together and then she suggested we go to a sauna. They went to a sauna and the next thing he remembers is waking up early in the next morning. At first the only items he noticed were missing were his towel. Seriously, at first the only items he noticed were missing were his cell phone, tablet, computer and some money.
Starting point is 00:32:13 it was only later when he undressed at home that he noticed Oh my God The incision in his coin Oh my God Do you ever get the feeling you're missing something I've got my phone I've got my keys I've got my wallet
Starting point is 00:32:29 Oh my god I know That's a terrible story It is really terrible The news station did report though Do remember that he chose to go into a sauna with this woman He'd been at a bar And the news station reported
Starting point is 00:32:43 That's not a crime Oh God, I do feel bad for making jokes about that now. Poor man. I know. I really hope he's not listening. I think he's laughing. Wherever he is, he's going at every dinner party. Jeff, tell your, tell your balls, sorry.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Come on, you wife. No, it's so boring. No, no, these guys haven't heard it. Come on. How did he not notice? They said that it had been done by a medical expert. The doctor said that it had been done very professionally. Wow.
Starting point is 00:33:13 You can get apps that tell you how to do that anyway these days, so probably whoever stole his phone. This is why there is... They were about to just leave with the phone in the wallet, and then they were like, What's this out? Oh, wow. This is why those ads always tell you to check your testicles every few months. Okay, time for our final fact of the show, and that is Andrew Hunter Murray. My fact is that in British electoral history, eight candidates have been awarded no votes at all in a general election competition.
Starting point is 00:33:47 competition. And the whistle's blown. The gains are up. So this fact comes from a book, which I don't know if you guys have heard of. It's called The Book of Heroic Failures by Stephen Pyle. And it's such a classic comedy book. It's the official handbook of the Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain. And when it was first published, it contained an application form to join the club.
Starting point is 00:34:10 And you had to give your main area of incompetence and then a subsidiary area of incompetence. That's awesome. And the club was shut down after. it received 30,000 applications for membership and was therefore too successful to exist. And before that, Stephen Pyle, the author of the book, was himself expelled from the club for publishing a best-selling book.
Starting point is 00:34:30 So the first hero to achieve this was a guy called Lord Gava, and he was standing as a liberal candidate in Riget in 1832. And turnout was about 66%, which was about 151 people in that constituency at the time. And of the 101 people who voted, everyone voted for the other guy. But there's a note in the electoral records,
Starting point is 00:34:52 because I look us up and it says, Lord Garver was proposed without his knowledge. I haven't been able to find any more. So he didn't really have a chance to campaign if he didn't know that he was a candidate. In Ghana in 1992, there were candidates who got zero votes, quite a few of them,
Starting point is 00:35:08 even though they'd voted for themselves. And so they didn't know how, obviously it was the allegations were of electoral fraud. But yeah. Yeah. Well, so they actually went up and said, I've got zero votes, and yet I voted for myself, how as is it's possible? Were you allowed to vote for yourself?
Starting point is 00:35:22 Yeah, you were allowed. Supposedly, in old American elections in the 19th century, you weren't actually allowed to enter the polling building? Does that ring a bell with anyone? Did you just have to make a paper airplane out of your thing? You had to pass it through the bars into the building, and there'll be all kinds of crowds gathered outside. Isn't that bizarre?
Starting point is 00:35:40 That is bizarre. I need to check it. You say bars, and that's just reminding me of, you do have pubs that are. polling booths, don't you? In the UK. Because anything can kind of be a polling booth. Normally it's schools or churches. Did you say there was a bedroom?
Starting point is 00:35:54 Yeah, there's one person who it's, there's a polling booth in their son's bedroom and they get, take the bed out and take all the furniture out. Amazing. It's just like a local, because they don't have a local pub or whatever. That's amazing. It's in Rochdale or somewhere. It's kind of selfish, isn't it? If you're going to do that, put it in your own bedroom.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Yeah. Are you going to bother voting? My six-year-olds really got energized about this election, though. That reminds me of the fact that the division bill still rings in a couple of pubs in the Red Lion and another pub near Westminster, doesn't it? We should say what the division bell is. Yeah, so the division bell, which in the House of Parliament calls MPs to the House to vote. So that still traditionally rings and still does ring in pubs near the House of Parliament so the MPs who are drinking pints can be like, oh, whoopsie-daisy's got to be it. the in the House of Commons and cast my vote in five minutes. Apparently when the
Starting point is 00:36:49 division bell rings in the pubs, tourists in the pubs think that it's fire alarms and frequently evacuate the building. Which is another advantage of going to those pubs. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great way of tourists leave. Yeah. Great way of getting a seat. This is quite a weird thing. Control of stuff. So if there's a dead heat in an election, then it gets in a general election in a constituency. Then it gets decided by either the toss of a coin or drawing straws, I think, or cutting a deck of cards. So twice running in 1988 and 1992, the local councillors has been decided by cutting a deck of cards. How weird is that?
Starting point is 00:37:23 That's so cool. I really hope it was the same person who lost both times. This time I'm going to do it. Oh, too. Someone's rigged this deck. That's like Hong Kong. I got this from, I have a feeling this is James's fact. I got it from our Squire database.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Political candidates in Hong Kong, if they finish in a dead heat, the election is decided by luck of the draw from a bag of numbered ping pong balls. I think they have ping pong balls in where do they have that? I think in like the national lottery.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Bad news, you've lost the election. Good news, you're a million. I think they have it in Florida and in, it's either Texas or New Mexico, there's one place where they do it from a hand of poker.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Really? It must be Texas. Yeah, Texas hold them, yeah. But that's a game with skill. It's they deal one. hand and it's New Mexico. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:38:17 New Mexico, is it? Yeah, because you couldn't have, it would be good if you could have games of skill, like whoever's best to boggle. Probably should be an MP actually. Yeah, it's grip chess. Plastic sword fight.
Starting point is 00:38:34 That's how we do it. Okay, so just on some bad candidates in elections. Oh, yes, please. Have you heard of Bill Bokes? No. He was a lieutenant commander in the Navy, and he was also
Starting point is 00:38:45 the worst election candidate ever. He campaigned in 28 elections and got 7,700 votes in total. Wow. Which is not very many. He lost his deposit all 28 times. In 1951, he tried to stand against the Prime Minister
Starting point is 00:39:02 Clement Attlee, but he accidentally stood in Walthamstow East instead of Walthamstow West. His party was called the Land, Sea, Air, Road and Public Safety democratic monarchist, white resident and women's party. Oh yeah. It was quite racist, unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:39:21 But he campaigned mostly against traffic accidents and in favour of road safety. And he bought an old Vauxhall which he painted black and white to make it a mobile zebra crossing. A mobile zebra. That's how people would climb over the top of his car to cross the road. I suppose so, yeah. And in 1952 his election campaign involved fitting his car with a mast and a mainsail, at which point he was arrested and fined for using a vehicle for advertising purposes in the centre of town, which you weren't allowed to do then.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Oh. Yeah. And he said, once I am nominated, I don't go back to the constituency. For one thing, I can't afford to. He sounds great. I mean, brilliant. You know, very funny. There's a great story I really like about a guy called John Wilkes.
Starting point is 00:40:07 He was running, he stood for Parliament in Berwick-upon-Tweed. but a bunch of people who heard this and there were the opposition they were like no way are we going to allow this guy to get in so they sailed up the east coast to scuppers plans they basically chartered a boat got into it and headed up to ruin his chances
Starting point is 00:40:24 they were going to vote against him or yeah they were going to vote against him but he found out about this and he bribed the captain of the ship so instead the ship took them to Norway but he still lost anyway he lost anyway yeah he didn't despite that tactical genius that he shows So here's something else from the Book of Reroke Failures.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Would you like to hear about Mad Jack Mitten? Oh, yes, let's hear about him. You don't want to hear the other option? No, no. All right. So John Mitten was 19th century aristocrat, and he was extremely eccentric in a lot of ways. But one of the things that he wanted to do, everyone in his family got elected MP for Shrewsbury. I was just a thing he did.
Starting point is 00:41:04 What? If you were in that family? How many MPs did Shrewsbury have? Loads, loads. So him, his father had done it, his grandfather had done it. So his campaigning seems to have mostly consisted of him walking around his constituency with 10 pound notes stuck on his hat. And people could just come up and pick them off. And someone else would replace, you know, he had an assistant to replace any notes that were taken off.
Starting point is 00:41:26 He spent 10,000 pounds doing that, which was a fortune back in the day, an absolute fortune. He won the seat by 384 votes to 287. All these people are going, cheap skate. Yeah. And then on the first day he attended Parliament, it was hot, and he found it boring. So he left and he never went back. Not nearly as interesting as walking you out town covered in 10-pound notes. That's a weird job, isn't it, for his assistant.
Starting point is 00:41:52 What do you do? I'm the 10-pound note replacer on my boss's hat. We don't really have any vacancies for that at the moment. That's literally the only thing I can do. So another 19th century MP, who I like, is, well, he was, from 1784 to 1830, the MP for Devon was a Tory called John Bastard, who was then followed as an MP for Devon by his nephew, Edmund Bastard.
Starting point is 00:42:20 But what I like about John Bastard is that... His name? I hadn't thought about that. It is quite a funny name. Yeah. No, Edmund Bastard, sorry, inspired the nursery rhyme, Old Mother Hubbard. Really? So... Why did they call it Hubbard?
Starting point is 00:42:37 because you can't see children a song Old Mother Bastard How did he inspire it? So yeah, his sister-in-law was someone called Sarah Catherine Martin who he instructed to run away and write one of your stupid little rhymes when she was behaving badly in the town or something She was going out with her, philandering with a man she shouldn't have been So he told her to go away, write a stupid little rhyme, She wrote Old Mother Hubbard and that was that.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Is that inspiring someone to write you? something. He was her muse. Who's the mysterious other person on your list? Oh, that's the Earl of Lester who, the fifth Earl of Lester, who was a member of the House of Lords. He didn't say anything for 22 years. He was
Starting point is 00:43:21 going to speak about capital punishment and then he changed his mind. So that's all we have. He turned it into a yawn at the last minute. Okay, that's it. That's all of our facts. Thank you so much for listening. If you want to get in contact with us about the things we've said over the course of this episode. You can get me on
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