No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As Samurai Olaf

Episode Date: April 8, 2016

Live from Glasgow, Dan, James, Anna and Andy discuss killer shrimps, poo-based space food, and handsome Japanese tear-wipers for hire. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:02 Welcome to another episode of No Such Thing is a Fish, a weekly podcast this week coming to you from Orrin Moore in Glasgow, Scotland. My name is Dan Shriver, and please welcome to the stage. It's Anna Jizinski, Andy Murray, and James Harkin. Once again, we have gathered round the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. And in no particular order, here we go. Starting with you, Andrew Hunter Murray. My fact this week is that for just one penny, you can rent a little bit. a bee for a month. What are we doing here? So...
Starting point is 00:01:09 What would you do with one bee? Well, you make friends. You take on expeditions. So, as we've mentioned before on this podcast, a lot of bees in America live on trucks. And the reason that they do... They lost the home, the marriage broke down. No, it's because they move around the country all the time
Starting point is 00:01:35 because they're rented out to pollinate crops, and they have this whole, like, basically a tall schedule where they move from area to area pollinating a new crop every few weeks. And there's a massive crop, the Californian almond crop, almond, and that needs one and a half million bee hives, which is a total of at least 30 billion bees, which is amazing. they all arrive around the same time
Starting point is 00:02:00 and so they arrive, they pollinate the crop and then they go. And an American beekeeper whose name is Randy Oliver has calculated the cost of it and he worked out that the cost is one one US penny in fact, so a bit less than an English penny per bee per month. Bargain. So one English penny
Starting point is 00:02:19 would get you one B for two months. Yeah. I think it's about 1.6. Six weeks, yeah. Okay, yeah. Not worth it. It won't work for the holiday I'm thinking of. Yeah. So you must get more than one, presumably.
Starting point is 00:02:38 You must do it in... There's no number of bees, and then the minimum option is one, sadly. So what I'm asking is, what is the minimum number of bees that I can hire? Don't know. Okay. I've got a tenor in my pocket.
Starting point is 00:02:53 It's a Scottish tenor. That would get you... They won't accept that, James. Trust me Hang on wait If it's one penny Let's just say it's one penny So it's
Starting point is 00:03:07 A thousand Wait wait wait It's a thousand But I don't think that's enough for a hive I think a minimum It's probably at least one hive Okay Do you know how bees collect pollen
Starting point is 00:03:22 I didn't know this It's so cool So they go and Bees will go out They'll either be collecting pollen Or they'll be collecting nectar they never do both at once. You don't want to mix those two.
Starting point is 00:03:32 And if they're collecting pollen, they get onto a flower, and they get covered in pollen because they've got, you know, they're hairy, they're furry, and so pollen sticks all over them. But that's okay because they've got combs on their front four legs. So they use the combs on their front two legs to comb the pollen out of their antennae, and they use the combs on their middle legs to comb the pollen out of their fur on their body. And then they've got these two kind of buckets on their back legs, which I think they're called pollen baskets.
Starting point is 00:03:58 and they're like literally, I mean, they just look like little baskets on the back of their legs. And they crush the pollen once they've combed it out of their hair into these two little baskets and then they carry it home in their pollen baskets. Isn't that cool?
Starting point is 00:04:10 That's very cool. Yeah, that's amazing. The one really amazing thing about bees is that they have a positive charge. They're electric. Bees are electric. If you're putting them into a remote control or do you get double B and triple B batteries?
Starting point is 00:04:33 So what happens? So the bee flies through the air and it kind of hits particles in the air and that gives it a positive charge. A bit like if you get a balloon and you rub it against yourself and that gives the balloon a charge, it's a bit like static. But the flowers have a negative charge and that means that when a bee goes into a flower, the pollen will actually jump, just jump from the flower to the bee. Wow. Using electricity. This, I've read today, bees don't pee or poo in space. Why would you go to space? I don't go to space to poo either.
Starting point is 00:05:07 That was the thing. Yeah, but if you were in space, you would, at some point. Oh, I see. So when we send bees up there, yes. Ah, they hold it in. Yeah, yeah. So a bunch of bees were sent to space. And in space, they actually started, so a lot of little insects have been sent to space, particularly flying insects to see how they can cope with flying. And there's, I watched some amazing footage today, by the way, of pigeons inside one of those
Starting point is 00:05:33 vomit rockets that go down. They let them loose. So if you don't know the vomit rocket, it's where they film zero gravity without leaving the Earth's atmosphere. So you can do weightlessness. And also actual astronauts use it to practice being in zero-g.
Starting point is 00:05:44 Yeah, exactly. So basically the plane is, what is it, is falling? So it goes up in a parabola and it kind of makes it feel like you're weightless. Okay. So you fly around and, yeah, so on it. You do?
Starting point is 00:05:58 So they brought pigeons on board, and the pigeons just didn't know what was going on because they couldn't, they were just, flying and bumping into walls. At one point, a pigeon is flying upside down, and the others are like, what the hell?
Starting point is 00:06:11 It's really confusing. That's where pigeons will get their alien abduction stories from. So they brought a bunch of bees into space, and they brought house flies. And house flies, actually, they say for house flies, it's a no-fly zone. They just don't bother. They don't even try.
Starting point is 00:06:31 They start trying. They can't fly. So either they just try and cling to the wall, or they just stay still and just float everywhere they go. So houseflies don't fly in space. Bees kind of after about seven days worked out what to do, and they even built a honeycomb. They even managed to make residence.
Starting point is 00:06:50 And the main thing they noticed, though, is that they just didn't go to the toilet. They were holding until they got back to Earth. Well, I think it's because they were put in an enclosed hive, a space hive, weren't they? And bees do not defecate in their own hives. They don't shit where they eat. And so they literally thought, well, if I can't get out of this thing, then I'm not going to poo in it.
Starting point is 00:07:09 They're too polite. So they held it in for a week. Yeah. Yeah. Because if they held it in thinking, oh, I'll do it when I get back, that's quite optimistic. Because they're just bees. They don't know that they're actually going to come back, do they? Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Yeah, so interesting. Most when they went into space actually learned to, I think they were the smartest flying creature. They learned that they could kind of float in space. So when you try to flap, it doesn't really work because you get so disorienting. but the moths in zero gravity very quickly realized that they could change the method of flying and turn more into seagulls and then they just sort of floated around on the air.
Starting point is 00:07:43 Right? Yeah. Oh, cool. That's very cool. Well-done moss, very clever. Do you know why honeybees die when they sting you? So most, the vast majority of bees don't die when they sting you, but most honeybees do die when they sting you.
Starting point is 00:07:57 And it's because all of their insides are falling out. So I know, it's really sad. What do you mean? So when they put their sting into you, I think human skin is a bit too hard so they can't properly retract their sort of barbed stinger as it comes out so instead what it does is rather than leaving
Starting point is 00:08:12 behind just its sting as it tries to pull away it leaves it leaves behind inside you it's digestive tract and its abdomen and everything so and then that it's not really a bee anymore it's just a lump of fluff so that's over for them you've found mirth even in a horrible horrible fact
Starting point is 00:08:31 but they evolved to mostly They mostly sting other insects or other bees. So that's what the sting is really for. And they have no problem stinging them without that happening to it. Only when they sting something with really tough skin. And to a bee, we have really tough skin. Yeah. We need to move on soon to the next fact.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Oh, can I just talk about other things you can rent? Yeah, yeah. James. You were very lucky to get off with a caution. I don't think... Guinea pigs. You can rent guinea pigs. Yeah, in Switzerland, you can rent guinea pigs.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Oh, yeah. But only Switzerland as far as I can find. And that's because, according to Swiss law, it's illegal to have one guinea pig on its own. You need to have a second guinea pig because they're really kind of sociable creatures. And if you have one, they get lonely. And so the Swiss made a law against it. Wow. And so what happens is, one of your guinea pigs dies, and you're like, okay, now I've only got one guinea pig.
Starting point is 00:09:33 I'm going to have to get another one. but what would happen is you get a young one and then the old one would die and then you'd have to get another young one and you'd just be in some horrible cycle of just always getting more and more guinea pigs. So some people have seen a gap in the market and thought, you know what we can do?
Starting point is 00:09:51 We can rent one until the second one dies and that's the thing. I must say the Swiss parliament really does have time on its hands, doesn't it? In Japan, you can... can rent an attractive man to wipe away your tears. Is there a phone number or a website? I ordered one for you. He's backstage.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Yeah, isn't this totally bizarre? It's definitely true. It's a Tokyo-based company. It's called Ikamiso Danchi. And that means, apparently, roughly translates to his handsome weeping boys. And it's if they're... It's for women, specifically. And apparently women are prone to going into the workplace or whatever and bursting into tears. And so we need to hire attractive weeping boys to come, turn up to the office, wipe away your tears and comfort you.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Okay. Interestingly, I have been to Tokyo and I have seen the clubs they have, which are kind of just handsome young men clubs. They're for women. They're aimed at women. And they're aimed at women. I didn't go in. But it's just sort of like handsome young men hanging around in there looking cool and a bit emo.
Starting point is 00:11:04 And the bills are very unreasonable as well. 50,000 yen for a Coke. But that sort of fits into that trend. Yeah, that's amazing. It does, yeah. I'm sorry that sounds traumatic for you. It's a very odd thing you've got little Olaf waiting next door. It was a really good Japanese name I deserve it.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Samurai Olaf. We should move on to our next fact. Okay, it's time for fact number two. And that is my fact. My fact this week. is that Iceland imports ice. Yeah, it actually does. In shops now, you can get ice in Iceland.
Starting point is 00:11:47 It's in particularly this one shop, which is called Hadcup, and it's a sort of grocery store, and they import ice. You buy them in blocks of four, and it doesn't make any sense at all, because the water in Iceland is rated a total 100% for freshness, so they've got great water that you can turn into ice, but they bring it in from Norway,
Starting point is 00:12:06 so they now import ice from Norway. That's really good. Yeah. I found this out via the Twitter account of a guy called Yon Nahr, who was the mayor of Reckyuvik, and he was actually a comedian who hated what was going on in the country,
Starting point is 00:12:21 and he thought this is just bullshit. I'm going to run as mayor of Reckyovic. So he said, I'm going to set up a party. They said, what are you going to call it? And he said, the best party. We'll be the best party. So they set up the best party. We've spoken about this on the podcast before,
Starting point is 00:12:34 and he made all the promises that anyone wanted him to make. So he was like, what do you want? I'll give you anything. And they said, we want free towels. You'll have free towels. When I'm mayor, everyone will have free towels. Is that the first thing that the people demanded?
Starting point is 00:12:47 I think they wanted to test the grounds first and see what he was going to go for. He did also say afterwards, by the way, here's my main promise. Whatever you asked for and I agree to, I will break once I become mayor. So when he became mayor, he said, you're getting no free towels. I didn't know that Britain exports ice to China. Do we? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:05 And to Sweden. British exports of ice to China have tripled in the last three years. Wow. Probably from quite a low base. But still, there's a company in Yorkshire called the Ice Company. So not... Very good name. I mean, a descriptive name, if nothing else.
Starting point is 00:13:24 And they make 500 tons of ice a day. They're in South Kirkby in Yorkshire. And this is the cool thing. So they have these machines which make ice, massive machines. And they make 300-pound blocks. of really crystal clear, you know, beautiful looking ice. And it's made in these huge freezing compartments, right? And the water gets frozen in cylinders,
Starting point is 00:13:45 and then, you know, huge blades chop it up. And then the cubes of ice are blow-dried so they don't stick to each other. Whoa. Really? Yeah. So somewhere there's like somebody whose job is to be an ice hair dryer. Isn't that weird?
Starting point is 00:13:59 That is weird. Well, clear ice is very sought. And I think this might be why this Norwegian ice has been imported. Because I think it's Mr. Iceman, isn't it? Yes. Which, again, is a very good name. And it, so I went to the Mr. Iceman website, and it's the Mr. Iceman ice that's now being sold in Iceland. And they advertise the fact that they've got the hardest ice in the world.
Starting point is 00:14:23 So you can, if it's a special occasion, you drop one of these blocks of ice in your whiskey, and it takes twice as long to melt as an ordinary block of ice. So that's what everyone wants. It says, for those that appreciate a whiskey cold, but not diluted, they will cherish the ice block, which is actually quite a good idea. Do you know the queen likes ice? Does she?
Starting point is 00:14:43 That's a great fact. But she doesn't like the noise that ice makes in the glass. Does she have special flunkies to whenever the ice is getting close to the edge of the glass? Just dip their finger in and let it rebound off. I don't think the queen would like fingers in her drink. She drinks gin and do bonnet, Dubonnet. It's her favorite drink, and she hates the noise that the ice makes. And so her favorite flunky, Prince Philip, invented a machine.
Starting point is 00:15:14 He invented a machine that makes tiny ice bowls that don't grate against each other. And so now she can have her drink, and it doesn't make any noise. He invented, Prince Philip invented a machine. Yeah. I mean, they say it's tough at the top, but I had no idea. Just how tough it was. Well, they make, sorry, that makes tiny ice balls. Tiny little ice balls.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Those are popular. I've heard about them in fancy bars and things. They have sort of hand-carved iceballs. Right. Yeah. Wow. And some unusual imports. Oh, yeah. Okay, so Germany imports Lederhausen. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Really? There's only a hundred, oh, there's fewer than 100 businesses making Lader Hosen left in Germany, and they get most of them from China now. Oh, wow. That's one thing. Australia imports Dingo Yerrin. Imports? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Where are the dingoes outside Australia? I think the thing is with dingo urine, it's quite important, that you have to get it from a captive dingo. You can't just go into the wild and just grab a dingo. And like a lot of zoos around the world have dingoes in them. And so they get the urine from these places, and then they import them into Australia, and they use them to deter other animals.
Starting point is 00:16:24 I'm making costas. It's not true. I don't think it's even made in Australia. And I'm drinking it now. I love it. So I feel really bad about that comment for a number of reasons. And it's illegal to bring dirty mattresses into Canada. What?
Starting point is 00:16:42 You're not allowed to import a dirty mattress into Canada. You have to have it fumigated, and you need a letter from the fumigator proving that you've done it. I wouldn't want someone bringing a dirty mattress into my house. No. And what is a country, but a big house? Doesn't Canada mean large village
Starting point is 00:17:01 in like an old Native American language? I don't know. It does. Okay. Sorry. I believe it. When you say it doesn't this, you mean this is a thing. France imports all its frog text, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:17:16 Hard does it? Yes. From Southeast Asia? Yeah, I think mainly from the Philippines, Indonesia. Oh, no, mainly from Indonesia and some from Japan. And yeah, I think frog farming is now illegal in France. Or, yeah, I think you can't really farm frogs in France, but they still consume them. And so they get them all from Southeast Asia.
Starting point is 00:17:33 And they're becoming massively endangered frogs in. Southeast Asia, lots of because the French eat about an incredible number of tons of frog's legs a year. Wow. Yeah. So it's very bad. It is indeed. Corses. The corpse trade is picking up, I think. It's a problem in some countries like
Starting point is 00:17:50 Turkey that people don't want to donate their bodies after they've died and so there's a cadaver shortage. Is it for like dissection and it's for dissection? Yeah, so for medical purposes and for like crash test dummies. So if they're testing airplanes and things like that, they use
Starting point is 00:18:06 They do that. Yeah, they don't tell you that when it's the Donate Your Body to Science. They sit you in cars. Andy, this is true. They sit you... Who is they? They sit you in cars and they just slam the cars into walls. And they see because with a crash test dummy,
Starting point is 00:18:24 a real crash test dummy, you can't tell what things will break in an actual crash. So it's saving people. All blown up by a landmine. That's another potential option. Is it? They test landmines on, which I would have thought is very obvious. If a landmine blows stuff up, it blows stuff up. But no, they just...
Starting point is 00:18:39 But then the important thing with that is you need to know if there's a body part this distance away, where was the original landmine. So it's all that kind of thing. This is all very important science, Andy. They actually... Someone invented, just on landmine, someone has invented, this is quite a while ago, seeds that you scatter out into fields.
Starting point is 00:18:59 And when the plants grow, they touch the landmine metal. And so what would otherwise be, let's say a yellow flower, then goes red. So for all these countries that still have unblasted landmines you can now see them. It's quite a beautiful solution,
Starting point is 00:19:12 they say, to how you can... It's amazing. Yeah, it's... Unless you don't know that they've done that and you want to pick a nice bunch of flowers.
Starting point is 00:19:22 The yellow ones are a bit boring, aren't they? When do you go and get a bunch of the red, Danny? And that's Valentine's Day ruined. We need to move on to the next fact. Okay, let's move on.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Should we go for it? Yeah. Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is James Harkin. Okay, my fact this week is that the most dangerous invasive species in Britain is a poo-eating muscle from Transylvania. It's true. It's true. This is a really bad evil muscle that's come in from Transylvania,
Starting point is 00:19:59 and they are blocking up our toilets. I would have thought they'd be helping relieve the block toilets. Yes, that's a good point, but they have to live there, And they are really, really good at reproducing. And one female is capable of producing one million babies in a year. Oh, yeah, what's she called? So how are they getting here? On ships.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Yeah, on ships, bilges and things like that. So when a ship is going from one place to another, they actually collect water from one area to kind of keep the ballast. And then when they get to the other place, they'll often release it. And then you'll end up with species moving from one place to another. It's like the bees. It's exactly like the bees. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:40 Yeah. The bees of the ocean. Yeah. It's our fault. It's not their fault. They were happy in Transylvania. We brought them over, and they did what they did. Although it's not just humans that can bring invasive species,
Starting point is 00:20:54 because I went to a Glasgow museum today, and they said that there's, what was it, it was a plant called Spearwort, and that's been brought to this area, and it's causing a real problem, and it was brought on the feet of geese. So when they flew on... from, I think from Africa, they carried
Starting point is 00:21:11 this little plant over and now it's become an invasive species, so it's not always us. Oh, thanks a bunch of geese. So muscles get a bad reputation, don't they? They've got... If you look up muscles, there's pretty much no one's got a good word to say about them. They're invasive species everywhere. And they're a problem in the Great Lakes in America, I think.
Starting point is 00:21:33 So are they quagga mussels? Yeah, quaggers. Quaggers and zebra. In America they have zebra ones and here we have quagas but they're both named after sort of horse-like creatures Oh yeah because a quagga is like an extinct type of zebra Right, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:21:49 What's up with that? Quagga mussels, one of the things they do to the native species of muscles They literally sit on them and kill them by doing that So there's a speed I know they physically push them Into the sediment on river bases and things like that And it's sort of the native species are crushed And one of the species, which is at risk, one of the native species of muscle, is called pseudanodonta complanata, and its common name is the depressed river muscle.
Starting point is 00:22:19 What a grimly prophetic name. But yeah, they ruin ecosystems, like ecosystems, don't they? So in Great Lakes, they eat all the algae, I think, which then stops feeding organisms, which then feed other organisms, then it wipes out everything. And so you'll just have a lake full of muscles, which is a disaster. But I think they shouldn't get such a bad rep because they are natural water filters. You could just drop a muscle in some dirty water and then drink it a little bit later. You couldn't do that. But they do sieve water.
Starting point is 00:22:53 So when they're looking for a meal, then they take the water in and they filter it through their tissues. And they absorb some of the stuff that they want from the water and then they release the rest of it. And what they absorb are a lot of the horrible chemicals in the ocean. they'll absorb herbicides, they'll absorb like flame retardants, they'll absorb a lot of the poisons that we put into the oceans, and they will release purified water. So they're using that to remove contaminants in quite a lot of lakes. Well, of course, that's one of the reasons why they make us so sick if you have a bad one,
Starting point is 00:23:22 because they're kind of filtering dirty water and leaving nice water, but they keep all the nasty things that make people sick. And then if you get a bad one, yeah, that's why you get sick. Yeah. So this quag, one of the reasons it's quite bad, is not only does that eat human excrement, But there are other animals that eat its excrement. And one of them is a killer shrimp that they call the pink peril.
Starting point is 00:23:46 And whenever it comes into any, whenever it goes into any lake, it kills all the other shrimps there. And so these two guys always kind of co-invade lakes or rivers. So whenever there's a muscle there, there's always the killer pink shrimp there as well. And that's why it's like doubly bad. That's mortifying, isn't it? You're not even the guy who eats the poo. You're the guy who eats the poo of the guy who eats the poo.
Starting point is 00:24:14 You know there's actually animals now that disguise themselves as poo so that they don't get eaten. Is that right? Yeah, so they would, if the muscle was around, they'd be in big trouble, but most animals don't eat them.
Starting point is 00:24:26 So there's one that's called the moth caterpillar. So the moth caterpillar does have sort of little white bits on it and little brown bit, and it will disguise itself in a sitting position to look like bird droppings. So it's just quite safe. Anytime a bird sees it,
Starting point is 00:24:39 it thinks, oh, That's poo. I'm not going to risk it this time. So you've got the moth caterpillar. There's the orb-weeping spider. There's a giant swallow-tail butterfly. And then this one's really on the nose, bird-dropping spiders. And they all do that. They all disguise themselves.
Starting point is 00:24:54 It's the evolutionary thing. And yet then they give themselves that giveaway name. It's sort of like, what was the point in going to all that trouble? They should have called themselves, just some bird droppings. There's nothing to see here. So NASA have actually asked, the community of scientists around the world and said there will be a prize for this
Starting point is 00:25:16 if you can convert Poo into an eating product because when we go for these long haul missions to Mars, you are going to need everything that you can get to be reused as potential source for something and they think Poo might be what we can use for food. Right, and what is the judging panel of this competition? Heston Blumenthal. Actually, you know, Heston Blumenthal has now contributed to space food.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Does he? Yeah, so Tim Peake, the British astronaut who's gone up in space, he worked with Heston Blumenthal and his people, and they've created a bacon sandwich that can be made and eaten and a cup of tea that can be made and drunk. And they're made it up to. Well, they didn't tell Tim that. Yeah, so that's quite cool.
Starting point is 00:26:01 So Heston's already getting into space. Great. Speaking of defecation and Transylvania, which is where this puition muscle comes from, there's the Salina D'Soula. turda salt mine, which is this huge salt mine. And it was a salt mine until 1932. So it's massive. I think it's in the capital of the biggest city in Transylvania. And it sounds like the coolest holiday ever now. Have you seen it? Really? No. So they converted it. So it's this massive expanse of mine under the main city there. And they've turned it into basically a theme park. It's this underground theme park. It is in 1992. So it's got this massive 180 seat amphitheater. It's
Starting point is 00:26:42 It's got basketball courts. It's got ping pong tables. It's got mini golf. It's got bowling. You get carried around this big underground theme park in the old machinery that was used for mining ones. They've got a huge underground lake and you can go on the lake and little boats. They've got this ferris wheel that takes you up around it and you can look at the stalactites and the stalact mites as you go around on it. And they've transformed this disused salt mine.
Starting point is 00:27:05 They didn't know what to do with for 50 years into the best theme park in the world. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Yeah, we should go there. And that's in Turda. That's in Turda, yeah. The edict of Turda is quite a famous thing, which is, I think it was a kind of thing where it meant that in Transylvania
Starting point is 00:27:23 everyone was allowed to have any religion they wanted, and it was one of the first places in the world that had this. And I have this theory that that's why kind of people think of Transylvania as kind of this weird, kind of Gothic place, because the Catholic Church saw that it was a place where anyone could have any religion they wanted, and they kind of didn't like it.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Ah. I think it might be because they had a leader called Rad The Impelor who impaled hundreds of thousands of people on spikes. There are good points in this argument. Let's move on to our final fact of the show, and that is Jizinski. Yeah, my fact is that until about 4,000 years ago, humans didn't notice the color blue. Or most humans didn't notice the color blue. Okay. Just escape their notice. So I'd not heard of this before. And so since reading into it, it's really fascinating.
Starting point is 00:28:14 It's amazing. So the idea, effectively, is that there was, someone looked through all the old literature that we have, any bit of writing, ancient Iceland, Homer's Odyssey, all that sort of stuff. And any time that there should have been a reference to blue, they used a different color. And so the idea is that they actually think that maybe, because there was no word describing it, we just didn't notice the sky. We just weren't looking at the big blue thing in the sky. And as a result of not naming it, it was just blended into different colors. Yeah. It is extremely controversial that.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Yeah. So this is a very controversial. It's a controversial idea. But I think what corroborates it really nicely is that, so this guy who went through all these ancient texts, and it is from many different cultures. So, yeah, Greece, China, Japan, Hebrew languages. None of them had the word for the color blue. They started off all having black and white.
Starting point is 00:29:07 They were the first color words to appear. and then red was the next one. Then yellows and greens came in, and then blue was last. And the idea that maybe people weren't really noticing blue, or sort of couldn't distinguish it from others, does make a bit of sense when you look at this research that was done
Starting point is 00:29:24 by a guy called Jules Davidov. And he did this research in Namibia with the Himba tribe. And the Himba tribe does not have a word for blue at all. And you can look this up. It's really, really cool to do. What he did was he showed members of the Himber Tribe a series of, I think it was, 12 dots and 11 of them were bright green and one of them was bright blue and he said which one
Starting point is 00:29:44 is the blue one and they couldn't tell they just didn't know it all the same to them and so they really couldn't distinguish it but then that tribe has many many more words for green than we have and they showed them a 12 green circles and said which one is the different shade of green and if you look at the green circles you cannot tell I can't tell which one was the lighter shade of green and everyone who they tested immediately spotted the lighter shade of green. But the idea is that because they have more words to describe it and to distinguish between them, that we sort of learn, we automatically learn to distinguish that. I think it's a really, really interesting idea. Yeah. That's amazing. There's another kind of fact, which isn't really a fact,
Starting point is 00:30:24 which no one could actually see the colour blue, or maybe they were colourblind or something back in the day. And the idea is Homer wrote about the sea and he said it was the wine dark sea. and people are like, why is he saying wine dark instead of blue? Wine dark? Yeah. Because when you see the sea in the evening at sunset, it can look the colour of wine.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Also, we don't know what colour. Maybe all their wine was bright blue. Yeah. It's just no one's mentioned it. Well, there is a theory that they, in those days, they used to add water to the wine because the wine was a lot kind of stronger, so they'd add water to it,
Starting point is 00:30:55 and the water might have had a high alkaline content, which made it look a bit more blue. And they made their wine look a bit more blue. That seems like a little bit like clutching at straws to me. Yeah. I don't think we'll ever resolve this argument one way or the other. It is amazing to think of it, though. It's very, very cool.
Starting point is 00:31:08 I went onto a website called XKCD. You guys must know this. It's a webcomic. And Randall Munro is in tonight. So it's a webcomic by Randall Munro, and he kind of explains things. And he did a really good kind of study where he looked at colors,
Starting point is 00:31:25 and he had men and women looking at all different colors and saw how they described them to see if there was any difference. And they found that actually men and women was pretty much the same, Apart from women tend to add more things like light green and lime green, whereas men would just say something's green. Just green, it's just green.
Starting point is 00:31:44 But what he did, so that was a general thing. Classic lads. Let's all go down the pub and not qualify colours. Sorry, James. So what he did? What he did was that was kind of a general thing. he looked at all the different things that people had said and tried to find which were the most male
Starting point is 00:32:08 comments and which were the most female comments. So these are the colours that women said much more often than men. So dusty teal, blush pink, dusty lavender, butter yellow and dusky rose. So they were things that women said that men really didn't say. And the things that men said that women really didn't say for colours were penis.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I mean, it's not, that is not one colourful star. It's just green, mate. You've got to see a doctor. Who's beautiful grass, as green is my penis. Yeah, so, um, penis, uh, don't know. Uh, beige, spelled with an A. And WTF. Wow.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Yeah, apparently women can't see those colors. True. True facts. Speaking of penises, I found... And the color blue. Scientists have worked out how now to... If they can flash a blue light at your eyes and give you an erection. It's a really new thing that's happening at the moment.
Starting point is 00:33:45 at the moment at the moment they've only been able to give mice erections but they're working on it for humans and the idea is that it stimulates a thing inside your eye that leads directly to a part of your penis which I wrote down it's called the I don't think that's the important part of this
Starting point is 00:34:08 it's called corpus cavernousum it's a region that gets filled up with blood to facilitate an erection so it kind of you see this light it kind of just opens it up and it can you can go crazy and uh and i actually i don't understand the science of it but i was really hardened to read the main science of it that's that was heartened wasn't it that heartened heartened
Starting point is 00:34:34 go on you're around to realize yeah so the guy the scientist is working on it he calls it a rectilopogenetic stimulator uh and when he was asked about it So he said, it's quite simple. Once you get past the gene therapy part of it, shine a blue light, cause Dick to get hard. And that's basically the short of it. It's amazing. It's to do with an algae as well.
Starting point is 00:35:11 It's apparently a bit of an algae that they've taken out. And I don't know if, like, you know, if it's... I don't know if I've ever mentioned this about the new alternative to Viagra, which is playing sounds to your penis. What? Yeah, it's like Viagra doesn't always work. and sometimes it has side effects, but this is the thing,
Starting point is 00:35:29 they get a machine, they put it on the men's parts, and they play very, very high clicks like this. James, do you like dolphins a bit much? Is this a very, very coded way of telling us about your awakening when you saw Flipper? But it does work. It does work.
Starting point is 00:35:49 That's incredible. It kind of excites the blood vessels to kind of open. Wow. This is real science, people. I mean, I've got a fact about eyes and colour perception, but I'm not sure we can go back. I've been really happy if we went back. Okay, yeah, let's go back to eyes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Okay, tarantulas have evolved to be blue, or for parts of them to be blue, separately on eight different occasions in nature, and we don't know why. Why do they keep forgetting how to be blue and having to re-evolve it? When they branched off into separate, I think it's separate genuses and separate species,
Starting point is 00:36:26 or maybe it's separate species. within the same genus, they have independently in those, once they've branched off, evolved to blue. And we have no idea. And they don't have good color vision, so it's not like they know. That's the really weird thing. And it's not driven by sexual selection, because they
Starting point is 00:36:41 can't see when each other are blue. They have no idea. They can't tell. So we have no idea. Maybe it hides them from their prey, or maybe it has some other effect. But yeah. Wow. How weird. I was reading that you can now get your eyes turn blue if you have brown
Starting point is 00:36:57 eyes for $5,000. The idea is that actually right behind every brown eye is a blue eye because it's all to do with colour. So you can actually burn away the brown and sitting behind it is the natural blue. Yeah. So people are doing this now. They say that babies all have blue eyes. I don't know if it's true, but they do say that, don't they?
Starting point is 00:37:13 All babies have very pale blue eyes for the first few days. And then they sort themselves out. Get their acts together. That's really cool. If I hadn't recently spent all my money renting bees, I would definitely be good by my eyes. Let's wrap up. Should we wrap up? Okay, that's it.
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