No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As SpongeBob with Worms

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

Dan, James, Anna and Andrew discuss skaters' skirts, comedians coats and the worst thing you can possibly bring to the top of a tree.  Visit nosuchthingasafish.com for news about live shows, merchandise and more episodes.

Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Shriver. I am sitting here with Andrew Hunter Murray, James Harkin, and Anna Tashinsky. And once again, we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. And in a particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, that is James. Okay. My fact this week is that in the 1920 Winter Olympics, US skater Teresa Weld was the only woman in the figure skating who performed jumps.

But she was marked down every time she did because her skirt rose above her knees, which was considered too scandalous. Did she have pants on? You can't tell if a skirt rises above the knees. It depends how long the pants are. Yeah, possibly they could be like bloomers. Yeah, they did wear pants down to the knees. back then.

So it sounds very sexy James. Oh yeah. And clearly it was at the time. Yeah, it depends when about she were. If she wore what she was wearing then now in the Winter Olympics, like just to show behind the curtain, we're actually recording this when the Winter Olympics is on and you're going to hear this in the spring. Sounds like she was showing people behind the curtain.

Yeah. Of her dress. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Andy's drunk just so everyone knows. But yeah, she would have worn a skirt that was kind of round the ankles at the time because that's the way that women... She wouldn't have worn her skirt around her ankles.

She wouldn't have worn a skirt. That does lose your points, actually. It was round her ankles, but also around her calves and her knees and her thighs and her bum. Yes, and that is the normal way of describing a fooling skirt. And yeah, this is the way that basically until the 20s and 30s, women, figure skaters would wear long dresses. That's amazing. And it was only when a very famous skater called Sonia Haney came along.

She was only 11 when she started to compete. And because she was a child, she could get away with wearing children's clothes. Right. Sorry, I thought she'd get away with wearing much sexier stuff. Well, she didn't have to wear full adult long dresses. And she could do these amazing jumps. And then all of the adult skaters had to wear short skirts so that they could keep up with her amazing skaters.

skills. So what was the skating like, if Theresa World was the only person doing jumps, what were the others doing in their show off? Well, it's called figure skating. So they were doing figures mostly. Like carving out shapes in the ice. Yeah, exactly. Not so much carving out so that you could then pull it out and there's a shape there. The last person always fell through, didn't they? Once you'd connected the lines. Yeah, exactly. So what you would do is you would do the shapes of a figure of eight or at the very start of figure skating, someone would shout out what figure they wanted you to do. So they'd shout out, you know, snowman, and then you'd have to do a shape of a snowman, and then they'd shout out something else,

and you'd have to do that. That's really cool. But really in the olden days, figure skating, especially for women, wasn't about the jumps. It was about doing something graceful, doing lots of shapes and stuff like that. And then when this woman came in, Theresa Weld, she was the first to do the jumps, and then before long, everyone was doing jumps, and now they're doing kick-ass jumps. Yeah, and the jumps sort of took over in a way, because in television terms, drawing these circles into the ice wasn't as televisual for the Olympics.

So it'd usually be 60% or so of the mark that you would guess was for the figures that you were creating in the ice. And they just sort of thought, that's a bit of crap. It sounds incredible the process, because it was ended about 30 years ago, wasn't it? They stopped having actual figures. So I read a bit about that.

And the judging took such a long time. So there were 41 different figures at the start of it, which you would have to be able to master. But the judges, the judges would examine the skating three times, as in they'd examined the shapes on the ice. They would get down on their stomachs like detectives to tell if there was a slight variation in the line. Like detectives. It was like detectives getting on their stomachs. It was like forensic.

What they used to do, they would skate the shape of the dead body, wouldn't they on the ice? That was figure 37, yeah, yeah. No, it would, apparently the judging could last up to eight hours. What? I've written an article from the de Spiegel, the German thing, and it was saying, It was from the 80s, and just before it ended, and it was like, this is so boring. There was a guy called George Anderson, who wrote a skating book in the 1860s, and he wrote that after the shamrock, a one-foot figure requiring three turns and two changes of edge,

the acme of female accomplishment has now been reached. Wow. So he's like, once you've done the shamrock, there's literally nothing better than that. It's true? Downhill ever since. All these quintuple spins. Oh, yeah. One of the early guys who turned figure skating into the sort of art that it is now was a guy called Jackson Haynes.

He was from New York, born in 1840s, and he started, he was the person who kind of turned it into more of a dance. You know, he was trained in ballet, and he took popular dances like the waltz, and he turned that into what you would do on the ice. And he did this in America, and they hated it there. So he came over to Europe, and he started performing it here, and they loved it here. and he performed a royalty. But I've been reading into band things that would get you deducted points or that you're not allowed to do at all. One of the things in modern times is you're not allowed same-sex couples when you do Olympic

or even any sort of official skating. And it turns out that the very first pairing, which is with Jackson Haynes, was a same-sex couple. Was it? Yeah. Well, he was dancing with another guy. Yeah, he was dancing with another guy. It was in Vienna.

It was called Franz Belazzi. And they were the first ever couple. And he's held up actually as a result as a sort of LGBT pioneer. Is he, are we sure they weren't doing a same-sex couple just because it was so regressive that women weren't allowed to do figure skating? Was it that they were a progressive, progressive? You know, at a certain point in the circle, they're the same. That's possible, although he is, he's sort of been embraced by the community as sort of being progressive. Was it the tango that was also like that originally?

Tango was only men. Yeah, there was one dance. I can't remember whether it was flamenco or tango or, but there was a huge dance craze. which was men only, that we think of as a mix-sex dance these days. It's classically meant to be that, yeah. I should say as well that Haynes wasn't, he was dressed as a bear at the time. Oh, was he? Yeah, it wasn't strictly two men dancing together.

I think that is still strictly. Well, yeah. I mean, if only strictly was like that. Dan, do you watch the masked singer and you go, well, obviously, it's an actual robot buddy? I mean, I don't know what they're talking about celebrities. this is clearly a big pile of donuts. I'm afraid you are disqualified. It's a human only.

So women skating was a kind of a thing, women competing anyway in figure skating. And it was actually because of the clothes, these long dresses that they weren't allowed to take part in the world championships. So there was basically only men who entered figure skating contests for ages and it just wasn't really, didn't occur to people

that a woman might enter, so they didn't ban it. And then this amazing skater called Madge Sires entered in 19. The World Figure Skating Championships. And she got silver. And there was lots of reports saying she should have got gold. And actually the winner was a guy called Ulrich Salco. And he offered her his gold medal because he said,

I think you were actually the deserving winner. You were better than I was. But anyway, then the judges were like, oh, bummer. Like, we weren't supposed to have women in this. What are we going to do? And so they went through all the problems with having women figure skate. And they basically said it was things like the problem with it is that a judge might judge a girl on how much he's attracted to her.

than how good she is at skating. Definitely a problem with the female skater rather than with the judges there. Get her off the ice. But the other thing was that because their dresses are so long, you can't see their feet. So they could be doing anything under there. They could be cheating.

They could have five feet. They could have a child. Yeah, yeah. They could have a snowmobile. Yes, exactly. What you think is like sneaking into a cinema where it's sort of sitting on top and three kids in a coat?

Yeah. Three kids in a coat. And they can't let that kind of thing get through. And so to be fair to match, she did say, well, I'm very happy to wear a shoulder skirt, but then obviously she couldn't do that either. So it was really rock in a hard place.

Right. Although, while we're on men and women skating, the patron saint of figure skating is a woman. Saint Lidwina? You heard of her? No. She was a Dutch teenager because you know there are lots of canals and things in the Netherlands. And there are from Freeze over. Lots of skating happens on them. And I think this was in the 13th century.

Anyway, she was skating. She fell, she broke her leg and she never recovered. And as a result, she's the patron saint of figure skating. Not completely sure why. When was she around? 13, like a long time ago, several hundred years ago. And it was, it sounds quite stressful. There aren't, they think she might have had something that we'd recognize as a modern condition today.

Maybe the first ever case of MS. But also the saintly accounts are so strange and exaggerated. It's kind of hard to diagnose. So, for example, large pieces of her body fell off. Blood poured from her mouth, ears and nose. She shed bones, skin, and part of her intestines. And her parents kept them in a vase. That's not MS.

No. And they gave off an incredible... That's the walking dead, what you're going to go back. But her parents kept these bits of her body in a vase and they gave off a sweet odour so they knew she was holy. Oh, the order of sanctity. Yeah, exactly. So it's holy.

Anyway, so... Wait, is she still alive while this is happening. Yeah, yeah. Well, while her intestines are in the vase. I think, from the account I read, yes. I was going to say it doesn't sound like she's very good at skating if she broke her leg. But to be honest, if she's missing half of her body pass, it sounds like, well done. her for getting up in the morning.

Yeah, yeah. Cool. She never skated again anyway. Wow. That's a hard tale. That's very funny. You still get costume infringements, don't you, in skating? I hadn't realized this.

In fact, I knew very little about the figure skating, but you can get points docked for wearing the wrong stuff now. Well, you used to be able to until, I think, about less than 20 years ago, it used to be that women couldn't wear skirts that came up above, like, the bum or the hip. So you had to wear a skirt. Above the bum? Yeah. sorry.

That's too sexy. It's above the bum. That's just having a bum out, isn't it? Hang on. I don't want to sound like a prude, but I do think there are some good reasons why. Every now and then, the phrase, you're not going out looking like that, your lady, is appropriate. I've misspoken. They had to wear skirts and they had to be below the bum.

I should have said it like that. Okay. Yeah, so you would be fined. So you'd have to cover the bum. You had to cover the bum. You'd have a point dock. We don't anymore. You can wear a leotard, can you?

Yes. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. But your bum is not fully out. There's no mooning at the Olympics. I don't know what the rules are on that, but I think you have to cover the genitals. And he's thinking you might get jump as one of those detectives. What a finishing move that would be for your routine. Lots of jumps, lots of spins and a full moon at the end of it.

Suck it, guys. So on infringements, there was someone at the 2018. Winter Olympics called Gabriella Papadakis whose nipple fell out during her performance. A Janet Jackson moment. A Jackson moment. When you say fell out.

It was just, it didn't fall off. They didn't like that. They had an argument. They fell out. It smelled sweet, though. It had the odor of sanctity. The detectives rushed onto the ice to collect it. And put it in a jar.

It came out of her costume. And it looks like your worst nightmare, but also you're getting points dots. Not only have you exposed yourself from national television, You also get points deducted. They still got silver, impressively. Have you heard of the job of the Olympic figure skating poo wrangler? Jesus Christ.

No. Is this surely the detective can double up? Is that? Take a scoop on. What on earth could this be? Oh, I know. Is it about Hanu? The Japanese guy.

Yes, it is. I do know that. So this is a skater. He's called, yeah, he's Japanese. He's called Yuzeri Hanu. And he's associated with Winnie the Pooh. as in he loves Winnie the Pooh and his fans as a result love Winnie the Pooh too and whenever he skates they throw Winnie the Pooh stuffed toys onto the ice

That sounds like it would ruin your routine They throw hundreds It's insane and there was a job with the last I mean I don't know if it's at every single Olympics But basically there has to be someone who skates around Scooping up the Winnie the Poos Right I watched him into a huge pushpire I watched Hanu in this Olympics and there was no Winnie the Poos there

So maybe because of COVID It's so, well, Xi Jinping is compared to, Xi Jinping is hates being compared to Winnie the Pooh. I forgot about that. For some reason, for such a powerful guy, he's pretty thin-skinned about this. He doesn't like to be compared to Winnie the Pooh. And yeah, and so it would have been a big problem. Fortunately, foreign spectators have not been allowed into China for this Olympics. So no Winnie the Poos have been chucked on.

Although, Han-Jus fans are super crazy. Like, they literally, they're called Fan News. and they go around the world just following, like if they can get tickets anywhere they'll go on eBay for thousands of pounds like he's really, really super famous in Japan. But what's weird is I've been to a few sporting events recently and in most

cases these days you get checked as you're coming in to these sort of bigger ones. You have to, you know, if you go even see gigs at like the O2 there's a metal detector and so on. Surely that's the spot to put the poo wrangler you know, to... But I think normally when it's not happening in a state where the table

totalitarian head of state is compared to Willie the Poo and hates it. I'm not talking about current Beijing. I'm talking about any other I think they're fine with it. So they're fine with it. Yeah, it's fun, yeah. I think that's surely not an not an Olympic level if you're going for gold. He'd be really annoyed. Surely they'd hold back then. It's not at him on the ice. It's onto the eyes while he's performing. It's after he's finished.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's not right. It's not midroutine. Okay. But it is apparently off putting for his opponent. So Nathan Chen, who's the other like really amazing, fingersgate a male, his manager hates it. His manager thinks it's like psychological warfare against him. He's jealous because he wants a teddy. That's so sad. That's from Djokovic behavior. I wonder if he's been trying to push his own thing like, you know, trolls on my little ponies. Come on. One sad troll thrown by his manager at the end. So the whole thing about the couples doing their dances, I was reading this article where it sort of says, obviously the choreography is

amazing, but also what they want is emotion and they want to feel a routine. And so, a love story tends to be the thing that you kind of go for. And so a problem that siblings have is that they obviously, it's a bit off if you see a brother and sister kind of doing sort of set. So they have a really odd position where they have to come up with slightly coochier routines as a result because they can't, yeah, they can't be seen to be like almost kissing at the end of a routine. There was one in this Olympics. I'm not sure if it was brother and sister. It probably wasn't. But one of them was an alien. And then the other one was someone being probed. That would still be too sexy for brother and sister, I'm thinking.

You get the Benny Hill music playing, one of them chasing the other one with a probe. That's ten points from me. Isn't it interesting? They've never tried the Benny Hill music to my knowledge. Too sexual, that's the problem. One of the most famous figure skaters of all time, Tonya Harding, at least one of the most infamous. I was reading up on her. I never saw that movie with Margot Robbie.

But, Itonia, yeah. But what a pretty extraordinary life that she's led even post her career. So she got banned as a result of a controversy where she was implicated in harming another skater, what was her name? Nancy Kerrigan. Neat capping her. It was her ex-husband hired someone to do it. And what came out through court cases was that maybe she had an inkling that this was going to happen, that they were planning something that's got her a lifetime ban, basically. But post this happening, she's, she was. She released a sex tape. It was a sort of leaked sex tape. But then she went to Penthouse, I think it was, and your Playboy, and said, you can officially release it for a amount of money. She became a manager for pro wrestlers. She became herself a boxer.

She did boxing. She started a band called the Golden Blades. They got booed off stage on their first gig. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. She's worked as a welder, a painter, a metal. Yeah. This is her career.

A painter at a metal fabrication company, a hardware sales clerk. Wow. a deck builder. She's set the automobile racing land speed record. Tanya's had a fucking life. She's desperately trying to erase the one thing everyone knows about her. Just trying anything on a Wikipedia is all these different things, but they still put that at the time.

Exactly. But she was an amazing figure skater. And when they made this movie with Margot Robbie, there's a scene in it where Margot Robbie has to do a triple axle. And Margot Robbie, who did train to do it, obviously couldn't do it. But they also couldn't find anyone to do it because it's so rare that anyone's ever landed that. That they had to use CGI in the film, yeah.

She's also amazing at bow and arrow shooting. There was a piece about her that interviewed her, and she goes hunting a lot with her husband, like hunting sort of elk. Other figure skaters. Hunting elk and such like. And her husband takes a big gun, and she just takes a bow and arrow.

She says because she wants to give the animal a 50-50 chance to make it interesting and fair, although the journalist points out also because felons aren't technically supposed to possess in Washington State. Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is Anna. My fact this week is that in the early 1900s, the US government installed telephones at the top of trees. Hmm. What?

It'd be cool. Just a convenient place to make a call. A trunk call. Good. Yeah. Is that a thing? That's a very old-fashioned term for a very long-distance phone call, yeah. Oh, okay.

Would have got a huge laugh in the seven. it was the US Forest Service that started installing them at like 10 of the century early 1900s and it was for fire lookouts so it was in like fire prone states like your Arizona's or your Californias and they'd find the tallest tree

on top of the biggest hill in the area and then they'd climb to the top or they put a ladder up the tree and then a ranger would basically lop off the top of the tree and in its place put a platform there and on the platform is just a telephone And then a guy's job is to sit at the top of the tree

And then if he sees a fire He makes a phone call and says fire And they go and put it out It's so cool And sometimes what I didn't get was it says Sometimes they worked in pairs And so there'd be two of them up the tree And one of them spots the fire

And then sends the other one to put it out But I don't understand how one single human being I imagine these weren't giant forest fires Yeah There's a small camp fire I suppose What would you be You would just if it was small enough You'd only see a plume of smoke right

I think as soon as you see flames, that one guy's not really going to appreciate being sent on his own. Once the flames are coming out at the top of the forest. Were you allowed to use the telephones for other things? Like calling your mates or stuff? No personal phone calls. They do go through at the end of the month. If your phone record, the bill's very high this month. We don't remember hearing you at all.

Lots of fires. They're still there today, some of them. That's amazing. They get called the Freaks of the Peaks. That's one cool nickname they have. The trees. The people are the trees. Other people, the people, I think.

But there are not many left. There were 5,000 at most in the 30s. And now there, I think, are a few hundred, maybe 500. I think it went out. I think it was the 50s where they were about 10,000 in the US. But yeah, I think it's such a cool job, such an interesting kind of person who does that job. You've got to be very happy with your own company. Yeah.

Well, I know if there's two of you up there. That's a good point. But in most cases, it's like the lookout, not the tree situation, but other lookout. Sounds like it was one person the entire time. No, mostly there'll seem to be one person. Jack Kerouac was one of these guys, wasn't he? Was he? Yeah, he was.

He spent 63 days as a US Forest Service fire lookout on a place called Desolation Peak. Wow. Sounds fun. Yeah, and he went there thinking that he'll be on his own. He only has to look out for fires for a while, so it'll be fine. He can write some stuff. But in the end, he wrote only one letter to his mother,

some haiku poetry, and a couple of journal entries, and no novels. Well, I was reading one of the lookouts today who says when new people come to do the job, apply for the job, they imagine they're going to do all this stuff like, right, they're great novel and learn an instrument, he says, or, you know, they think. I can't imagine if you're like, there are two of you at the top of the thing. You see, laughing boy climbing, climbing with the bagpipes. Oh, there we go.

You laugh. There's genuinely a girl who's learning bagpipes while she does this. Really? I believe she is one of the solitary ones. Yes. Yeah. But yeah, he says people tend to get nothing done. You actually go and you end up.

I'm sure. I mean, you always think you're going to get stuff done and you never do. That's just life. I mean, your job is literally doing nothing. But it's to look. You have to be looking for fires, don't you? You have to be scanning the horizon. With binoculars.

I feel like you can look and play the bagpipes at the same time. Yes, that is one other thing. It's kind of sad that there are all these people by themselves at the top of trees. it's a 50-50 split and yet they obviously can't date each other because they're all at the top of trees. You know what they should be. You know how trees have sex. They kind of fire their... They release their seed into the wind.

Into the wind. They should try that. I'm sure. I'm sure it's been tried. I'm sure. Someone's done it. It gets pretty dull up there. We've had some complaints from tourists at the bottom of the tree.

Well, they could do, they did a sort of semaphore way, not a semifor, they did a way of communicating in the very early days before the phones. What? No, not semenophore. There we go, thank you. Yeah. Didn't need to happen, did it? They had these things called heliographs.

So the ones that weren't high tech enough to have the telephones in the early 1900s would just have two mirrors. And there would be someone, and they'd be called the flasher, who would use the mirrors to travel. transmit messages by bouncing the sun off them. Right. Isn't that how you start fires? That's a great point.

It's a major flaw in the plan. Yeah, I guess you have to be quite careful. I guess if you make sure it was a convex mirror, maybe. Interesting. But yeah, it would reflect the sunlight. And they could transmit Morse code up to 70 miles. So we're saying that this is a technology basically. It's not a technology.

It's a lack of technology that should be wiped out by now, but it's still going. And you would think with drones, with satellite imagery, with planes, we wouldn't need this anymore. But it's survived because it's the one thing that we can still do when there is an electrical storm and we can't send up drones and we can't get satellite imaging through clouding and so on. So it's a job that hasn't died out through the modern technological world, which is pretty cool. They've done a few studies recently and found that the human observation is as efficient, if not more efficient overall than using drones and stuff like that. Exactly like Dan says they can't be used. used in old conditions and stuff.

And also they know, because it's such a personal attachment they have to the land. So often they've been there 30 or 40 years, you'll get to look out. So they've lived up there. So they know every centimeter of the land. So these people can instinctively spot the tiniest thing wrong. But do you think they're like, there's a fire where, you know where the co-op used to be? Where old Vera used to live. Yeah, just down there.

Yeah, it's that. A lot of co-ops in the chorus. actually. They use something called an Osborne firefinder, don't they? An OFF. Yeah. Which is a topographic map. So you know like those maps when you go to a tourist place and it shows you where all the things are on the horizon. It's like this building is this tower of this building. It's like one of those. And then there's a few different things so you can tell exactly where the fire is happening. And that was invented in 1840 by a guy called Sir Francis Ronald's. And he also was one of the first people to do 11. electrical signaling. So when he was 28, he put eight miles worth of iron wire on his mother's lawn

in Hammersmith and managed to send a signal from one end of the eight miles to the other end of the eight miles. It was all kind of like folded up. So he had didn't go very far in actual terms. But he said after that, he said, why add to the torments of pens, ink, paper and posts? Let us all have electrical conversationi offices communicating with each other all over the kingdom, give me enough material and I will electrify the world. So he basically invented email. Yeah. Yeah.

Isn't that amazing. I just sort of imagined him at the end of his garden going like, Mum, talk into the wire. And his mum is mum being like, I can just say to you, come in for dinner. Talk into the wire, Mum. I can hear it. Yeah, you can. You're 10 metres away from me.

That's so funny. On the watchman thing, but the non-fire-related watchman now. So Los Angeles in Switzerland has its own watchman, who climbs the bell tower every night and shouts the time, and that's been going since 1405. They can't afford a clock up there or anything. In Switzerland. You're absolutely right.

In fact, they've definitely got a clock because it's the bell goes and then the watchkeeper shouts the time and shouts that it's all fine. Watch watcher. Yeah. Shots that it's all fine. Yeah, there's a rubric that you say, which is, you know, it's 10 o'clock and all is well.

Good night. Oh, not. like 10 bongs and yep it's right again I do think they I think they speak after the bell rings in fact they do the bell rings and then they shout from the four sides of the tower what time it is anyway

for the first time It feels like a redundant job I mean that's yeah that's the son of the owner of the bell just trying to find a gig for his kid they've just appointed their first ever female watchkeeper in 2021 this is after 600 years

they've got yeah it is and there was big protest of a couple of years ago about the fact that no women had been invited to be watchy Not because she got the job A couple of years ago a lot of women said Look we want into this A sweet gig apparently

Do we? Well they had a vacancy last year to join the team And I think 80% of the applications were from women I think what you want is a dinner lady They have the loudest voices in the world, don't they? Yes and there was a voice test That was part of it was sort of they need to test You know that you got a good pair of lungs

to shout the time. And the job comes with a little lodge that you can keep warm in in between bongs, I guess. And it comes with a felt hat, a lantern, and a cheese fondue set. It's in the lodge.

That sounds awesome. Pretty Swiss. With those perks, I can really understand where they went through it. A felt hat. Just one more thing actually on fire towers

that I found so interesting is that this was, I was reading a piece with a lookout called Levi Briniger. And I do want to say they all have really cool names like that, or like Leif Hogan, all names that sound like they're a forest lookout.

But Levi Briniger pointed out that if there's a lightning storm, you are in the tallest place, up the tallest tree, with an electric phone line that you're supposed to use. So first of all, they do have a kill switch. They have a kill switch to kill the phone lines if the lightning came too close. And then if it's really close, they have a stool, and there are a couple of others who all had this, a stool where they've just put sort of glasses on each leg under the leg to insulate

it from lightning. So you just go and sit on this one stool in the middle of the room. Wait for the lightning to pass by lightning. I would have thought the power of a lightning bolt on a tree if it hits it. It explodes it. And it doesn't matter if you've got four tiny glasses on the bottom

of your chair. I think friend of the podcast, Roy Sullivan. Was that his name? The guy who was struck by lightning seven times. I think one of the times he was hit by lightning was when he was up a fire lookout thing. Was it? Yeah. Yeah.

Didn't put his glasses under the stool. No, clearly. Yeah. And in fact, wasn't one of the other times when he was being chased by a bear. Do you remember? Yeah. He was beating it off with a stick. Sorry, he wasn't, let me rephrase that.

He was beating the bear with a stick. Well, that's, well, that I don't blame the bear for chasing him. Yeah. He just wanted to do an ice stunts with him. Okay. It is time for fact number three. is Andy. My fact is there is a worm which can grow multiple bottoms which it then fires off to have sex without it. Okay. Yeah. So this is a newly named worm. Very exciting. There were a couple in the same kind of family with the same kind of body shape that were known about already. But this is a new one. It's a new one. It's called Ramacillus King Gidorahi, which is after a thing from Godzilla. It's one of the other.

It's a villain. I mean, yeah. I always thought Godzilla was the villain. But anyway, we'll come back. I'm sure we'll come to that. Basically, this worm is an amazing branching creature. It lives in sea sponges. It has one head, and then the back end of it branches, because it lives in a sea sponge. It branches through all the different tunnels and crevices and paths of the sponge, right? And then, when it wants to reproduce, basically, the end of each branch of its body,

and there can be dozens or even hundreds of these branches, the end of each one breaks off, swims up to the surface independently, releases, releases its eggs or sperm into the water column where they'll all find each other. So they fertilise each other and then the bums die. But the head of the worm living in the sea sponge lives, lives to breed another day. And it starts regenerating all of its... It's amazing. It's a bums.

It's incredible. It really is. It's just such a weird, weird thing. I just feel so sorry for the head. Don't you think that is the worst? Because you're spending your whole life as a face buried in the pitch black belly of a sponge and you're sending off your arces to have sex and you never ever get to do that yourself.

Isn't that so weird? Yes. You do have a nice sponge to live in. Yeah. I guess that's why I can't. That sponge bath every day. They can't survive the head part. Can't survive outside the sponge.

As soon as they go outside the sponge, they die. Oh, it's like a lady of shallot. I bet they sometimes want to. I bet there are a few heads who have gone sod it. I'm going to give it a go. Yeah. It's so crazy, isn't it, when you think of evolution, right? Like, just the fact that this thing had to evolve to send its anus off to go and have the babies, you know, while, like, it was like, what do we do? We can't, my head can't leave this sponge. What do I do? These, these things that you call bums as well, they are kind of, they can be more than bums. They can have, like, they have very rudimentary brains. They have very rudimentary eyes. Yeah. So they're like, not just a bum. No, you're absolutely right. So they're their own kind of, as it were, consciousness, even though I know they're not thinking.

but they've got their own. Yeah, this is the most amazing thing. And they're called stolons technically. So they're reproductive units. But as James says, they've got eyes. They've got very primitive brains. And that helps them to steer and to mate. I find this the most extraordinary thing about this.

And almost anything I've ever read in nature that these are basically living creatures that they turn into. So every single time they let go of a branch that they split their organs in half somehow. So every organ duplicates. So that branch has its own set of organs. that it then goes off with. Extraordinary. It's so weird. So like all of them have guts and nerves and every single branch does.

And so when it forks, you know, the organs fork as well. And some of them have been measured. So this is the other species, Ramacillus multi-cordata, which is just a very similar creature. They've been measured with 500 different branches. The reason you kind of call them bums is because when they're sticking out of the sponge, it's the bum bitch which is sticking out, right? And the way that they eat is they kind, well, we're not quite sure because no one's ever found any food inside any of them.

It's insane. It's insane. But what we think is that they dissolve, they kind of soak in the food into their body and then, you know, there's no stomach or anything like that. And then they send out the waist through the bums. Yeah. And then when they become like the thing that reproduces and decides to swim off, then a new little anal opening comes where they used to live and then they grow out again. constantly mooning the world. They were found, the first one was found in the 1870s,

and then they didn't find the other two species, because there were three species altogether of this thing, until about 20 years ago. And the first one was found on the Challenger expedition, which I had never read about, but is this extraordinary expedition from 18, maybe we've discussed it before, but 1872 to 1876,

this three and a half year voyage, which basically started oceanography. And I didn't realize that before that, people didn't care about the oceans at all. It was a big team of people and it sounds really dull. So Darwin had called the oceans a tedious waste, a desert of water. He was like, there's nothing in here. Don't bother with it.

So everyone thought of that. And then they set off on this expedition. You think that's because you know how Darwin basically lived in England, right? And then he went all the way over to the Galapagos all the way. All the way over the sea. Do you reckon people said, what were you doing on the way? Oh, were you doing fuck all? He was like, oh, it's pointless.

I wouldn't do anything. Just see. There's nothing in there. He forgot to look in it. Or was it the opposite where he found, he obviously knew how much was in there, but he was just trying to put off other scientists. No, don't bother looking there. That was just water mate.

Yeah. He always went to get to it. Well, they did look there, and they collected 4,800 new species. And they found the Marianas Trench on that expedition, and they started the whole field. This guy who were talking about with all the bums, the way that he eats by dissolving stuff that is around him, basically is how mushrooms live.

And so I read the... one place that they said that it's basically an animal that has adopted a fungal lifestyle. So it's living like a fungus lives, but it's an animal. Yeah, it does seem like that. And actually other marine worms do that kind of dissolving thing, don't they? There's a worm called the zombie worm, which feeds off skeletons of mostly whales, but other dead ocean animals at the bottom of the sea. And that sends acid out onto the bone, which kind of melts it.

Well, it dissolves it. And then they just live in some. whale bones forever and ever. That is incredible. That is really amazing. I think I read that there are some sponges which have been observed feeding on fossils. As a fossilized bones of ancient whales. And it's why the fossil record is really patchy in some places.

It's just because down there. They've been eaten. Yeah. I guess, yeah. I suppose if bones didn't disintegrate, we would just have. Just been needy. Well, yeah. Actually, like, if you looked at the bottom of the ocean, it should just be bones, right?

At least one layer. It is. Well, they get compressed and compressed over time and they form rock layers, basically. I mean, so if you look at short cliffs, that's all the skeletons of plankton stuff. That's right. So I suppose bones just turn into what everything else turns into, which is mulch. That's true, but I'm talking, I think I'm just talking short term. Let's say in like a 50-year period, there must be a lot of sea creatures that die that just do a collection of bones, but they're being eaten by...

Because these zombie worms and things like that. Exactly. Scale worms are another waterworm. Oh, yeah. And some of them have this really cool trick. So they're a bit like wood lice with the woodlice of the sea. So they have these like hard scales around them. And that's so that if something tries to eat them, they sluff off these scales

and the scales end up in the thing's mouth and they wriggle off. Brilliant. But then sometimes they have scales that produce like bioluminescent light. And so something will try to eat it. They sluff off the scales in the thing's mouth. and then the thing's mouth is glowing in the dark and then that thing gets hunted by its predator. So cool. And you're literally in its face.

That's clever. Have you heard of the Bobbit worm? Oh yeah. Is that the massive one? It's huge, yeah. It's like 10 feet long. It's a iridescent worm. It buries its body into the ocean

and it sort of just sits there and it sends out these kind of traps like five little antennae that just sit there and if a fish comes along, it leaps out, just sort of slithers very quickly and with its jaws, it can snap. The force is so great it can slice a fish in half. Like it's just like insanely grippable.

But it then brings it back down into a hole and they don't fully know what happens next. Scientists have not any idea really of what happens next because we haven't been able to study it. So they don't know if there's a toxin that goes into the animal that if they haven't split into two that is still alive that just then kills it and then they can, you know, ingest it and so on. Well, so sometimes it's still alive kind of thing I don't know how they kill it. Yeah, exactly. Like sometimes they'll bring something back in that they've just got a good grip on

as opposed to having its life. And the thought is, is that the name, although no one's fully sure, they think John Wayne Bobbitt's wife is the inspiration for... Oh yeah, I think that is no it, isn't it? I think that wasn't conclusive. I think it was a sort of nickname given to it

and they sort of... Well, at least the places I was reading saying we're not fully sure. Because it doesn't do anything to your genitals. It's not like it, lights your balls off or you're slit. No. It doesn't slice a penis off.

So we should say this is a famous case of a couple called John Wayne Bobbitt and his wife, Lorena Bobbitt. Yes. She cut off his penis. Yes. And threw it out of a car. Yeah. Yes. And this isn't what the worm does, but it does seem like too much.

There's something a bit, there's something a bit slicey and a bit penisy involved here because it's this worm. Yes. It kind of lives under the sand and then jumps out and grabs you a bit like the worms in Dune, really, I think. Or, what's that other one? Tremors, a bit like Tremors. Yes. It has been compared to the Mongolian deathworm. Yes.

And here we are. Back on the same territory. It doesn't, it hasn't featured in SpongeBob Squarepants yet, has it, this creature? No. Imagine, is there an episode of SpongeBob Squarepants where it has one of these bomb-dividing worms? Spongebob. SpongeBob gets worms. Yeah.

So a little bit on Godzilla, maybe. Yes. He is a Japanese citizen. Day to birth, April of 9, 1954. Reason for special residency. You'd have to. Yeah, yeah. For promoting the entertainment of.

I'm watching over the Kabuki Cho neighborhood and drawing visitors from around the world. Because I know you've been to Japan, Andy. Have you seen the giant Godzilla that's sticking out of one of the buildings? I have not. Is it Tokyo? Shinjuku station, yeah. You're just walking down the street and you turn around

and suddenly there's a massive Godzilla sort of looking over you. That's so cool. Is he watching over? Because I thought that he destroyed buildings. Well, he got... Yes. He doesn't move because he's just a statue. No, but the idea of Godzilla,

the idea of a very destructive creature, right? I see what you mean, actually. I mean, it's a complicated. He could save you from Mothra or from whoever this other guy was, King Gidora. Gidora, yeah, yeah. It's a... Is he a good guy?

It's a complicated relationship because basically, you know, at various points he's been the goody and the heel. And, you know, if he's fighting King Kong, for example, as he did in the latest very bad movie. Oh, they're two completely different creatures. You haven't seen King Kong versus Godzilla, have you? And I've got to say, that's two hours. I'm never getting back. What's it about? It's a bad, really.

It wasn't. I mean, Kong Skull Island is magnificent. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, you keep telling me that. But basically Godzilla can be a goody and baddie. I mean, very, very destructive of property. Thank you.

Thank you. Back to that. Okay. Yeah. He can be angered. But he's never on the side of the humans, right? Or is he? He's not really on any side.

He's on Godzilla side. He's on Godzilla side. Yeah, exactly. He's a love story with him. No, that's Kong, isn't it? Faye Dunaway in the 33 movie. Yes. There's always, yeah, that's the, yeah.

That's Kong. That's Kong. That's Kong. That's Kong. That's Kong. All brie lasting in Kong Skull Island. Yeah. Sure.

Okay. And actually, they don't really have a relationship in the same way that Kong and Fay Danoi did. I would say, when you're on Mastermind and they say, what's your specialist subject? If you do choose Kong and Godzilla, don't just give a fucking monologue as soon as he asks his first question. Because you're going to run out of time. The thing about Skarl Island is, though. It's a brilliant Vietnam War metaphor. The whole movie, it's incredible.

I started and finished a long time ago, Andrew. Okay. It's time for our final fact of the show, and that is my fact. My fact this week is that comedian Lenny Bruce was arrested so often during his sets that he would go on stage wearing his coat just so he was ready to leave with the police immediately. Brilliant. Go on. Yeah, so this is a fact that I learned in a brilliant autobiography that was written by George Carlin,

who is also one of the greatest stand-ups that we've ever had. It's called Last Words. Highly recommend anyone who's interested in the world of comedy reading it. And this was on a night in 1962 when he was, Lenny Bruce was playing at a club called the Gate of Horn. And during the performance, a police officer stood up in the middle of the crowd and he basically shut down the show. And he immediately arrested Bruce and he tried to take him to jail. So Carlin's bit of this story is that he was upstairs having a drink with another comic. And they weren't only just arresting Lenny Bruce.

They were also arresting anyone else that they could because they wanted to make a wrong. real point about this happening, this gig. So they ID'd everyone who was at the show to see if there were any minors there to see if they could arrest them, if anyone was too young to be there. They arrested the owner and the bartender because drinks were being served during the set, which was not allowed. And they ended up arresting as well, George Carlin, who was upstairs and refused to give his ID and started making a joke out of it because he was quite drunk. So George Carlin ended up in the van, the police van, with Lenny Bruce. And so he was there specifically for this moment. Lenny told him he would wear his coat while he was on stage because sometimes the police would just take him out

immediately and he wouldn't be able to get his coat and he loved his coat because it was made from a really nice cash hair and he didn't want to be parted with it. So that's why he wore it on stage all the time. I saw that he went to prison. They bailed him out, right? And he was back on stage by something like 1am for the second show of the night. When he was on stage, he did a joke by saying, I better keep my coat on because I may have to go out again. So he kind of made a point of the arrest as well. Do we know how long into the set the policeman waited? Did he wait for him to do all his favorite jokes and then stand up?

Or did he just give him 10 seconds? You wait until he said something really rude. Yeah, it was the moment he said something rude. So Lenny Bruce is, if you haven't heard of him as the listener of this show, he was a 1960s comedian. The listener. We have more than one listener. Sorry, I have one listener.

The rest of you have millions. I've got one dedicated listener. He was basically in a way, the first modern stand-up comedian. and there were a lot of comedians before him, obviously, and you can say people like Bob Hope and so on who'd go around on stage telling jokes, but they were very much joke merchants. They had a team of writers who were writing for them.

Lenny Bruce was the first person to really talk about his personal life. He used swear words. He talked like a real person, basically. It was like stream of consciousness-y type stuff rather than just gag, gang, gang, yeah. But they were written, it was written material as well. But he was basically counterculture America. He was part of the beat people.

So Jack Kerouac, who was mentioned before, very much part of that scene. And he opened up the whole industry of stand-up to this new way of doing it. What came with that is he spoke about very controversial topics. He spoke about religion, which he really didn't like. He used swear words on stage, which no one was doing at this time. And so he was constantly being arrested for these reasons. And he became a sort of martyr to the whole of the comedy industry because he... Yeah.

Well, no, we should say that he was pardoned as well, which is great news. So he was convicted of obscenity, but then he was pardoned. In this one, right? Well, so this is when he was tried in 1964 for obscenity and prosecuted. But the good news is that he was pardoned. And it was in 2003 that he was pardoned. That's right. He had been dead for nearly 40 years.

But there was a petition to cancel it. So the governor of New York was George Pataki, who in 2003 granted this posthumous pardon. The petition was brought by a couple of comedians I'd never heard of called Tom Smothers and Dick Smothers, known as the Smothers Brothers, who themselves were cancelled and, you know, and properly cancelled because they were very lefty. And that was obviously also pretty controversial. So he wasn't found guilty in the event that Dan was describing.

He was got off there. His defence compared him to Aristophanes, Rabelais and Jonathan Swift in the court case. And the jury agreed and they let him off. And then he was later arrested quite a lot of times in lots of different places, but in New York was the big. famous one which is what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think I agree with the judge, right? I don't know Rabelike. I'm on you. I'm not that pretentious. But Aristophanes and Swift, kind of impenetrable, desperate wannabe satirous, apparently genius,

but actually not that fun to experience. I would say it's quite a good description of Lenny Bruce. Wow. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. For me. Jonathan Swift is very funny. And some of the Aristophanes stuff,

it's pretty great. I love the level, Anna. How can you be at a level where you're pretentious enough to know Aristophanes. and Jonathan Swift, but no, I'm not pretentious enough to know Rabellet. God, we all know that's the line, okay? You've crossed the line when he know Rablay.

I mean, he represented himself in court at various points, so that might have been the point where he was being compared to Jonathan Swift and Aristophanes. So he fired his lawyer halfway through this trial, the 1964 one. And then the New York Law Journal refused to publish the judgment because it contained offensive words. Right. And then just going back to the original one that you were talking about, Dan, I was reading the newspaper articles from the day and from the day after and stuff and he did his second show and then he went back to his hotel, the Clift Hotel,

and then he got kicked out of this hotel because the hotel owner had heard about him being arrested and didn't want his like in his hotel and so he just got kicked out into the street. And as a result from then on, he performed always with a small suitcase on stage. He did like a spot of morphine, heroin. Yes. Yes, and actually he was ejected from another hotel once for blocking its toilet with heroin needles. That's a lot of needles, isn't it?

It's not like toilet roll. It's like... It maybe it only takes a couple of needles to block a loo. I've never, never tried it. But there was another time he was... I'd promise. We've been on tour with you. We know you are a needle toilet blocker.

The number of premier ins we've been unceremoniously kicked out of. I'm sorry about that. but I have changed. He was another thing I do on tour, actually. He was kicked out of another hotel for apparently conducting a nocturnal trio of blondes in an original composition, the chorus of which ran, please fuck me, Lenny, in three-part harmony. Wow, in harmony. In harmony.

Actually, at a premier own, you wouldn't be allowed to do that because they have the good night's sleep policy. All those signs saying, shh, on the corridors. That's why it's Lenny Henry, who's their mascot and not Lenny Brue. It was a talk-up, wasn't it? But yeah, he had a big old sexual appetite, and he married a stripper called Honey Harlow. Yes. But as you say, Anna, like, you don't think he's funny, and a lot of people absolutely agree with you. He has to be looked at as someone who is just the person who paved the way, and who, you know,

Richard Pryor, who is seen by many as the funniest person ever, says that Lenny Bruce was the funniest person ever. George Carlin as well, Lenny Bruce is the funniest person ever. Modern day comedians like Mark Maron, Lenny Bruce, Bruce's funniest person ever. I respect him a lot. Michael McIntyre, you can see the influence so much in McIntyre's material. But they did, they did a...

I like, do you like, I just say I like Michael McIntyre. I don't even know why I said that. It's just the first name that came into my head. They're just not similar. How much do you like either of them? I don't think Michael McIntyre would claim that he's taking up to Lenny Pratt. I'm just saying if Michael McIntyre wants to be on his BBC

primetime show, I'm sorry. But he does block a lot of hotel toilets. That's the entire thing, isn't it? It's kind of his trademark. Yeah. But on the 50th anniversary of his death, they did a screening of one of his recorded stand-up shows to an audience of fans and just to, you know, commemorate him. It was 40 minutes of jokes and hardly anyone laughed, according to the article. And that makes sense. He was a conscience. He's the one that you go, when you're watching him, you go, ah, you sort of smile. And you're like, oh. Like, Stuart Lee.

That's certainly a bit of stupidity to him. Is there anyone left? Let's just destroy anyone we might work with in future. There was a brilliant article in Playboy that he, that was quoting him in 1963. And he was talking about when he was going on stage and the owner decided to introduce him, but was really worried that he was going to get a bad reaction. And so the owner said, ladies and gentlemen, the star of our show, Lenny Bruce, who incidentally is an ex-Gi and a hell of a good performer, folks.

And he's a great kidder, you know what I mean? It's just a bunch of silliness. He doesn't mean what he says. The kids and the Pope and the Jewish religion. Honestly, it's just a make-believe world. It's fine. He's a hell of a nice guy, folks. And he was at a Veterans Hospital today doing a show for the boys.

And here he is. And by the way, his mum's out there tonight too. She hasn't seen him in a couple of years and she lives here in the town. Now, it's a joke's a joke, right, folks. What the hell? I wish you'd try and cooperate. And whoever has been sticking ice picks

in the tires outside, that's not funny. Is this real? That's real? That's the best intro ever. That's really good. I feel like he must have written it for the video. That's so good.

His mom, interestingly, was his main inspiration. And she was really awesome. She was this woman called Sally Marr. And she was a stand-up comedian. Well, before stand-up was a thing, really, in the 30s and 40s. And she did impersonations, I think, was part of her comedy. Like she impersonated Humphi Bougar and James Cagney and people like that. And she-

She introduced him on stage. for his first ever show. Oh, did she? Well, his first big break, he was in a radio show called Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts. And she was the hype woman for him. She was a manager also later in her career. Yes. So she managed, who I did not know was a stand-up comedian,

but the man who played Mr. Miyagi from the karate kid movies, Pat Marito, was a stand-up before he became a sort of more serious actor. And yeah, she managed him. Really? Yeah. He had a brief act, didn't he? Walks on, walks off. beautiful that is beautiful

Lenny Bruce actually he only ever performed once in the UK it was in London and it was on Greek Street in central London and soho and it was at the establishment club which was created by Peter Cook of Beyond the Fringe and it was

the establishment was set up basically because they wanted to try and give acts the opportunity to try the stuff that was censored at this point in the UK if you were performing it was part of a theatre show and the Lord Chamberlain had veto over every script that would be performed. So they'd go through it and say, you can't say this and you can't say this. But in private establishments, you were allowed to do that.

And so Peter Cook set up this place. And that is how Lenny Bruce came to the UK for his one and only trip, because he was deported the second time round. He wasn't allowed in. And by all accounts, it was quite a bad run of gigs. He was pretty ill at that point in terms of the drug taking. the story you mentioned about the women and the syringes that was in London where that happened. And Peter Cook himself, who was a massive fan of his, went and picked him up from the airport.

And he said that he just met this shambling guy coming out at the arrivals. He got into the car and he was holding a record player, a sort of miniature tape recorder, and he insisted on playing his tapes all the way on the journey back. And the tapes consisted of nothing but airplane noises and grunting. farting. That was it. And Peter Cook just thought, what the hell is going on here? And yeah, and so he came and he performed in London. What was going on? He doesn't really know. Like Peter Cook, basically what he had was a junkie in the back of the car. And is that classic junkie behavior playing fart noises over a tape layer, which I haven't been invented yet. But he might

have been like there was, there's accounts of Lenny Bruce making car stops because he saw like a field of flowers just so he could run and lay in them and then get back in the car. And they didn't realize at the time he was doing heroin. And that was lovely. And that was, was that was him just. It was a field of poppies. Yeah. Okay, that's it. That's all of our facts. Thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to get in contact with any of us about the things that we've said over the course of this podcast, we can be found on our Twitter accounts. I'm on at Shriverland, Andy, at Andrew Hunter M. James. James Harkin. And Anna. You can email podcast.com. Yep, or you can go to our group account, which is at no such thing or our website. No Such Thing

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