No Such Thing As A Fish - No Such Thing As The Middle Ages

Episode Date: March 21, 2014

Episode 3: This week QI Elves Dan Schreiber (@schreiberland) and James Harkin (@eggshaped) are joined by Horrible Histories consultant Greg Jenner (@gregjenner) and comedian Alex Edelman (@alexedelman) to discuss the first recorded smile, the most important animal in America and 300 years that may never have happened. For more check out www.qi.com/podcast

We run it on QI a few years ago. Yeah. Which was, there's no such thing as a fish. You know, no such thing as a fish? No, seriously. It's in the Oxford Dictionary of Underwater Life. He says it right there. First paragraph, No Such Thing is a Fish.

Welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish. This is a special episode in which, rather than having strictly just the QIL sitting around the microphone this week, we've got two special guests. We have a comedian from Brooklyn, New York, originally from Boston, Alex Edelman. Hi. Who amongst interesting things you've got going on, you've got a current text relationship with Lindsay Lohan. You once severely angered Neil Armstrong in a lift. Yep. What else is there?

There's plenty more of this stuff. We're also joined by the historical consultant from the Horrible History's TV series Greg Jenner, who, outside of that, if you hang out with Greg Jenner, as Alex will know, at any kind of social event is mobbed like a rock star basically you just have groupies he has fans coming up to him Are you having a relationship with any American celebrity females Sadly not George Washington's touches I guess

In American relationship So also joining us we have James Harkin And doing all the fact checking as we go along today Is Anna Chisinski Oh and I'm Dan So we should start by saying that This is the first time you've been to the office, Greg to the QI offices

this is not the first time Alex has been Alex is, you're almost like a part of the family now I'm gonna try to cut down because I Well and you're going back to America tomorrow So I don't think that counts I'm trying to cut down But I'll be back I'll be back at the end of this month

Basically as soon as Alex comes in the office That's the end of work for the Dasimps Yeah Well you know the thing is this office is like What I would like the inside of my mind to look like Just neatly ordered and filled with facts I'll categorize Like literally I feel like you could find any facts

in this office. Because there's a lot, well, there's... A lot of books, there's a lot of folders. We've got the internet. And everyone's right, yeah, I was going to say, I was going to say technically it can just be a closet with a laptop, and that would still hold true. So, okay, well, uh, so as this is a special one,

maybe we'll start with, uh, yeah, we'll start with you, Greg. Oh, good, the least the third one. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's, uh, let's begin with a sort of rambling incoherent. Yeah, I really think that's what I would say. The expert, well, just give us what, it's, it's, it's your favorite thing that's kind of on your mind this week. Oh,

this is my first week off after writing my book, my first of a book. So I've been trying to... I think it comes up next year. Are you allowed to say anything about the book? Yeah, I can tell you the title. Yes.

It's called One Million Years in a Day. Stone Age to Phone Age, is the range. And it's sort of structured around a modern Saturday. That's a great. Stone Age to Phone Age. Swage for groupies. No, I thought, something I just put in the book

and I thought it's quite an interesting fact, really, is the earliest. known dentistry is 9,000 years old. This is back in the Neolithic, really. It's like mammoths were walking the earth. With dentures. So we're talking here in, I suppose, modernly Pakistan, is what we call it. It's a place called Meghar, I suppose, is not, my pronunciation is not great, but archaeologists have found teeth which have been drilled. And they've been sort of, you know, it's the earliest really sort of fillings or early drilling technique using a bow drill, which is, you know, just a sort of whittling, a bit of sharp stick,

which is a technique used really for jewelry. So I'm not even teeth cleaning, because I knew that the Egyptians had horse hair toothbrushes. Oh, yeah. Even reparative dentistry goes back that far? So this would be medicinal dentistry. This would be pain relief. Yeah, I guess it's an obvious thing

because people would have been in so much pain, wouldn't they? Yeah. Although I remember reading that like sugar, cane sugar, came in relatively late, so people didn't have as bad teeth in the Neolithic time as they have today. It's interesting, actually. There's been a couple of major studies in the past,

couple of years that's shown that's not really true actually there's an awful lot of dental wear and tear but also it's sugar based actually because there's quite a lot of sugar in in natural fruits and so forth and obviously if you're not brushing your teeth every day it will build up eroded is it complex sugars that really do harm though yeah and the worst dentistry in history I think if you're gonna if you were sort of elect an era I would say probably the 18th century the Georgians the 18th century is where dentistry begins as a modern discipline but it's also where really dentistry like teeth were at their worst If you look at portraits, no one smiles.

Yes. Until the first ever smile, I can't remember as a female artist, French female artist. I think it's in LeBron, I think maybe. Could you check that out? Marie LeBrande. It's a really famous painting and it's very controversial, because I think it's a self-portrait. I think she's grinning. Wow.

And it's the reason you didn't grimm before because your teeth were so bad. Your teeth were all fun. Who was it who used urine for mouthwash? The Romans. Brin. Wow. Wow. It's not just me.

Romans brushed their teeth to extent. They used, I mean, the Egyptians didn't do dental surgery particularly. They were very good dentists. The first known dentists in human history, the first named dentists are Egyptian. They found, I think, in 2006, I think they found a tomb with three named dentists on the wall, sort of, you know, written in. Like a company name. Shias for Shalman and...

Dentists of the pharaohs. And they were, they were royal dentists. So they were official dentists to a pharaoh, and they, these three guys were clearly sort of official. tooth prodders. There was a recent meta study done on Egyptian mummies. I think 40%, if I remember, I might be wrong, but I think 40% had serious dental disease. And dental disease can kill you. My father's a physician, and he says something really interesting, that historically, the people who get the worst care are the famous and the wealthy, because what he's being, he's being ironic. What he's saying is, typically famous people have been killed by over-medicating or over-operating

or too much complex treatment, like as soon as they, like the body will repair itself. We talked in an earlier podcast about James Garfield, who has been prodded. Dirty fingers in the wound and stuff like that. My father gave a TED talk on it, which is actually really interesting. Yeah, his name is Alasar Adelman.

So I wonder if those pharaohs were receiving, A, a lot of dental attention, or B, getting such rich food that they were... Well, that's the big question. So the quality of food, obviously, it's going to affect things. I mean, Ertsey, the Iceman, found in, of Tyrolian Alps, he had really, really messed up teeth.

What was the fact that you were saying about the baseball player? Oh, yeah. I can't remember his name, but it was a baseball player who had to be taken out of the game because he bit himself on his own ass. And what happened was he slid into the final base and his false teeth fell out. I'm sure you know about it. So what we were saying, though, is that he must have been in his 20s, right? But yet there he was with a full set of false teeth, because that was a thing that happened.

And his teeth he knocked out? It was the 1920s. Apparently he was called Clarence Bleffen, and he's now called Clarence Climax Blethon. I don't really understand why... He had a really particular gimmick. Yeah. What teeth you say?

Oh, Alex, I have to tell you, just as an American and a baseball fan, if you don't know this, it's my favourite baseball fact. Did you know Lou Gehrig? What? An end of disease. Exactly. He really should have seen that one coming. Yeah, yeah.

So this is what's fantastic about it. It turns out that Lou Gehrig didn't die of Lou Gehrig's disease. So the disease named after him, you didn't have... There's an interesting Wikipedia list of people who have been killed by already deceased people. My favorite one is someone killed not by a deceased person, but by a deceased animal, a really notorious poacher in Montana. This is a story that people in Montana like to tell. And like, this poacher outside of Helena, he was really famous for shooting deer,

and people told him that there was one particular deer that he never be able to get. and he wounded it a whole bunch of times. And finally he spotted on a bluff across over, over him, and he shot it, and he turned around and celebrate, and the deer bounced all the way down and landed on him and killed him, and the deer survives. Oh, wow. Yeah, the guy didn't.

We should move on to another fact. Just quickly to satisfy you, obviously, Greg was, right? I mean, he's a historian about the first ever smile in a portrait. It was in 1787. It was quite funny, the court gossip sheet at the time said, An affectation which artists, art lovers, and persons of taste have been united in condemning, and which finds no precedent among the ancients, is that in smiling, she shows her teeth. So, you know, pretty outrageous.

I saw an amazing collection of photos from a period pre-smile, where they did all the grim kind of straight-face looking. And it's outtake photos where the families crack up and they're laughing. And it's so interesting because it's the first time where you see the real personalities. This is so interesting. It's really cool. Yeah. Where they're just, they're properly laughing out loud. And clearly the person's like, well, this is unusable.

Like, you don't look creepy and you don't look sullen. Michael smiled. This is so a dick, Michael. How does it you look. Let's move on to our second fact. I want to throw in my fact here, particularly because I want to hear your thoughts on this, Craig. It's a theory from a guy called Dr. Hans-Allrich Nyman. which is that the Middle Ages never happened.

Oh, wow. Wow. So it's a thing called Phantom Time Theory. It's basically his alleges that it was just made up. Are you sure that the guy is Doctor Hansel? Yeah, I know. A lot of people believe it. You know, obviously a lot of idiots believe it.

But according to them, 614 to 9-11 AD did not happen. Did not happen. We're going through it now. What is the basis for this theory? This is madness. He thinks it's a conspiracy. of the calendar. Brilliant.

Yeah. And so what his suggestion is, as well, is that the things that were supposed to have happened in the Middle Ages, people at the time removed them from that bit of history and created a fiction of these 300 years. I think he said Charlemagne just never existed. Wow. It's a fictional character. So basically, half of the things that you do for a living book just...

My master's degree is... Yeah. It's a fictional, yeah. I'll give you some direct, sort of, from this article. It seems that historians are plagued by a plethora of falsified documents from the Middle ages, some documents forged by the Roman Catholic Church during the Middle Ages were created hundreds of years before their great moments arrived, after which they were embraced by medieval society. This implied that whoever produced these forgeries must have very skillfully

anticipated the future, or there was some discrepancy in calculating dates. What houses? So where does he stand on the Vikings? One Vikings? Did they not burn down Lindisfi? Did they know what happened? Linusvine wasn't attacked. It was just, he just didn't happen and No Charlemagne Alfred the Great was just... He says that

he says that maybe Alfred the Great was in a different period of time, maybe the Vikings you know, maybe they were just the year before. So he stops at 9-11 is he? Yeah, he stops at 9-11 He stops at 9-11. No one of the conspiracy theorists love that. So 9-11 is the year that the Vikings

conquer Normandy and become the Normans. It's Rollo, King Rollo, who who founds the Norman dynasty. 9-11 is the, the Vikings. to become Normans and the Normans of course become William the Conqueror and that becomes our first dynasty of English medieval kings. So 9-11's a good year. But this goes with the thing that you like Dan,

which is that if you come up with an idea or conspiracy, then you can always seem to fit in... You can find... ...facts into whatever your theory is. Yeah. You can imagine if you said to him, what, you know, what about the Vikings? He would have an answer.

He won't have an answer, yeah. In fact, the urology in the Bible, isn't it? People sort of try to find patterns in the Bible, and you sort of go, you didn't realize it's been re-translated loads of times. So, all right, final question then. Is there any truth that the Middle Ages didn't happen? I would be deeply, deeply upset if the Middle Ages didn't... So you're going to say that it did.

Would you really? Yeah, I would actually. But what would be the difference? I just kind of think about my life on it existing. No, I'd be intrigued. I mean, it's true. We should be very deeply suspicious and skeptical of the past. And one of the things that historians do is we rigorously interrogate documents.

And we'd always try to disprove them. You try to apply that sort of scientific methodology of saying, how do we know this is true? And that's what great scholarship is, but you don't destroy all things. You're just trying to question them and say, okay. And obviously there were problems with forgeries. A monastery, for example, would be given land,

and they would lose a document. And then a king would turn up going, brilliant, I'm having your land back. And they'd be like, no, no, no, this is ours. We've always had it. So they'd forge a document. Yeah. And then we get the forgery.

Great. I read that, you know, Andorra, the country. Yeah. They have a constitution. But it's in a safe in Andorra somewhere. lot of historians think that it's fake. Really? You heard that before?

No, I haven't. Faking, what's it? Like, it doesn't exist at all? As in, yeah, it's a modern reproduction because they don't have the, they don't have the historical basis that they think they have. Because it was one of those states

that came in to buffer from the... 15th century wars, yeah, the Italian wars. If it were to be true, this Phantom Time thing, which is 110% not. Yeah. Then what it would mean is,

I mean, no new scholarship is emerging. And new scholarship is emerging all the time. Yeah, it is. So it would be insane. But it would also kick off our, we would really interrupt with our carbon data. Yeah, I was just thinking. Obviously, we use historical documents to try and ally up with carbon dating. And you use carbon dating to try and ally up with historical documents.

You try and play them off against each other and try and find a cross-reference. And that way, if they both agree, you kind of go, all right, maybe that's, maybe that's legit. And with Richard III, the discovery in the car park recently, we, that, the carbon dating there can sort of give you that specificity scientifically, which then legitimizes the documents that told us he was there. So then we can kind of go, ah, these docs are, these are okay. Maybe we can look at them closely for something else. So that's a way of verifying.

It's a way of verifying. Because you're using the scientific method to sort of say, okay, the archaeology is legit, so maybe the history's okay. Physicists like to use really old lead for their experiments because it's quite, it doesn't react with as many things, but that means that they're trying to use a lot of archaeological items to make their experiments. have you heard about that? Yeah, I've heard about it briefly.

I don't know if that's... I mean, it's supposed to make sense, wouldn't it? Yeah. But then, yeah, it's not really great to feel of someone else's stuff. It's Richard Thurke. Can I borrow on that? I'm sorry. I've got an experiment on. I just, you know, I need an old king. Yeah, sorry.

Actually, I mentioned that James was right that there is a theory, which, in fact, sounds quite well-founded, that the Andoran Constitution is a forgery, although this isn't a book, so apparently it came from Charlemagne. It was signed The Independence of Andorra. This dot-com. Charlemagne didn't exist.

I think we've established that... Although I am reading it in a book where they've spelt... It's a book. It's Andorra Business Law Handbook, but they've spelled Charlemagne. He was a dog. He was a dog with a terrorist animal. Yeah.

I didn't have trustworthy, that is. Okay. All right, so we're going to go on to... We'll do Alex's fact now. Alex. My fact is, um, it's about the most medically indispensable sea creature in the United States is, um, the horseshoe crab. Are you aware?

of the... No, cool. It's a wide, wide claim to make, isn't it? Yeah. How does that work? Well, so the horseshoe crab lives in the very bacteria-rich coastline, shallow waters in the in the ocean. So in the early 20s, they were sort of seen as a nuisance, and they were ground up and used

as fertilizer and stuff and fed to pigs. And now, every year, a half million horseshoe crabs are harvested, and they're brought into factories by one of five companies, all. along the eastern coast of the United States. And their bled alive. And their blood is baby blue. And if you can find a picture, it's incredibly interesting. And this blood, it detects any dangerous bacterial endotoxins,

even at a concentration of one part per trillion. So the FDA requires that all drugs, all new drugs that are brought to market, be run through this horsesher crab blood. So every single person in the United States who's ever had an injection of any kind has had a drug that's been tested in this LAL test. That's amazing. That is incredible. It's unbelievable.

And the blood per court is $15,000. So they don't kill the crabs. So that's like, so people love that. Yeah, they just take them. And then they take them on a boat all the way out to sea so they don't re-harvest crabs that they've already bled. They're going to say it on like a great holiday crew. You guys have done a really good thing.

But they dump these guys really far out, and they notice that less and less of them are coming back. While you don't kill something when you take a lot of its blood, it does make it more lethargic and less likely to mate. But yeah, so that's, so that to me is... That's very exciting. Yeah, I think that's really cool. Yeah.

They have basically the best immune system of anyone. They do. Do you know, my favorite crab? Have you heard of the samurai crab? No, but it sounds like a movie. Let's see this is very exciting. So, basically, back in the... He always attacks sideways.

Yeah, yeah. There was a superstition that samurai warriors So when they died were reincarnated as these crabs Because a lot of these crabs that came up Had the pattern on their shell of a samurai face And it became an evolutionary thing So it's the samurai pattern that became the... That is brilliant, wow

And so they would throw the ones that looked like a samurai Back into the ocean Are there other stories of animals Selectively surviving like that? Well, I think dogs are supposed to be a bit like that And cats and cats, cats domesticated themselves Yeah, because cats, when they meow, they don't meow to other cats, they only do it to humans. Really?

They've selected to meow just so that we would think they're little babies, I think. We domesticated dogs, we, you know, deliberately took wolves, and I mean, please stop biting me. I'd like it to be a dog, please. And the amazing thing is, you can domesticate an animal really, really quickly. There was a Russian scientist who did it in the 50s with foxes. I think it was his name, things with B, I think, Billy Adina was on the line. He took foxes, feral, wild, angry foxes trying to eat his face, and he just bred them and bred them and bred them, are always taking the most docile cubs and bring them together.

Belliay. Belliayev. Beliayev. James. James and one of the Italian accent there. Maliaia. But he bred them together so that you ended up with these sort of more increasingly docile creatures.

But the extraordinary thing that he discovered was that when you breed for physical characteristics, it also creates a personality change. They became more sort of dog-like, more sort of fluffy-tailed and more sort of willing to follow them around. But they also changed... More obsequious. Yes.

Sequeous foxes. Apsychius fox. Yeah. But they would also change their personality and demeanor and the fact that they'll respond to calls and so on. And he did that in like 10 generations. That's all it took. You know, there's been an awful lot of genetic testing recently because we can now do DNA analysis on animals. And we found that actually dogs are much older than we thought.

So do we think that we got them for companionship or fighting or... It's probably hunting companionship. Because we had pet bear. There's definitely at least one pet bear which we found in the Stone Age. Well, Byron had a pet bear. Byron did have a pet bear? Byron had a pet bear? He took it to Cambridge for him.

Took it to Cambridge. Because he wasn't allowed a dog. So he was a bit of a dick. And he turned a guy, fine, I'm going to have a bear. Is this before, after he founded the hamburger chain? Or is that the, yeah. Is that the most ridiculous, I wait, someone kept a pet scorpion in a jar on his desk.

I read this in one of your books. I read that in one of the QI books, which are available in fine bookstores everywhere. Probably the same books as Greg's book will be available in next year. All of all the workshops. Talk about them sequoias. The extraordinary, back to this sort of dog thing,

straight quickly, the extraordinary thing is we obviously domesticated dogs because to do that, you have to sort of take a wild, feral wolf that is trying to kill you and gradually tame it. But it's not taming,

it's breeding it. You take the runt of a litter and the runt of a litter, you bring these together and gradually you breathe them and you create a new animal and that is the dog. Amazing.

The amazing thing is that the oldest dog breed in the world is only sort of a thousand years old or something. Roman dogs don't exist anymore. So when you find the Roman dog at Pompeii, which we have found one, That breed no longer exists. It doesn't exist anymore.

Wow. Is it because they die out? Well, the breathing programs change and you have sort of different needs of them and animals are constantly evolving and changing and we breathe them a different white. George Washington bred dogs. George Washington bred the American foxhound.

He took a French foxhound from the Marquis de Lafayette and an English fox sound and he bred them together and created the American fox sound. Wow. And he was really obsessed with this. He was sort of typical 18th century gentleman and was like, I'm going to breed an animal. But the amazing thing is cats domesticated themselves.

The oldest known cat, I think, is some show. Pellaboros, I think in Cyprus. I think it's about 9,000 years old. Is there any truth to the story when people attach cats to their shields? Yes. Yes, I love this. This is the battle, I think, of Pellusium, I think, of top of my head. So the Egyptians believe cats to be holy and revered. They had huge cat funeral monuments with, like, millions of buried cats.

If your cat died, you shaved with your eyebrows, and you would take your cat to this holy city of cats called Bastis. They found a load of mummies, didn't they? Mummified cats are like a million of pounds. A huge one recently. Yeah, yeah. And the city, I think, was called Bubastis. after the, I think, might have made that up,

there's definitely a city, and they would bury the cats, and they shave off their eyes. And it was working overtime, by the way. Sorry, no, sorry, no. But they never want to interrupt. I've got a thousand tabs up with information. It's not confirmed what you're saying. I can't wait until the end of the section.

It's called bobbastic. Good, okay, good, I wasn't just from making up some random night. But they worship cats, and there's a famous story that a Roman soldier was in his chariot and he ran over a cat, and he was killed by an angry mob. But then in the middle ages, people thought that cats were evil, didn't they? They thought they were witches familiar. They used to be burned alive as well, Louis the 14th, I think.

Yeah, he did went to a burning ceremony, didn't he? And he did, and he used to be stoned. They were eaten alive. Eating alive? How do you eat, you can't? A lot of declining involved. Man, you just grab it, I guess you hold out the legs and just start tromping, I don't know. Oh, God. They've gone from gods to being evil, and now we just put them on the internet and laugh at them.

We'll be gods again, it's both. We worship kittens. Okay, listen, I'm going to quick. do my last little fact. I found that we have 28 people that we know slept with Queen Elizabeth for first, and that they were all women. Whoa.

What? So when you say slept with, you mean, slept in the same bed? Yeah. Well, does that sound right to you? Same bedroom. In the same bedroom. Yeah, same bedroom. The interesting thing about Queen Elizabeth, I actually made a documentary for Channel 5 years together. It was awfully ridiculous. We sort of went, did she have a love child? Yeah. Did she or?

Well, there was a room that she did and the Spanish used it as propaganda and obviously I don't think she did but um came out Elizabeth first she probably didn't spend more than five minutes of her life alone she was constantly surrounded by people like everywhere she went she was born a princess she was always going to be a princess and then she was a queen and then she died so you have ladies in waiting who of course would sleep in the same room as her and you'd have sort of truckle beds the bottom of the bed usually they would sleep in or maybe more of a sort of a pull-out little oh like the cupboard yeah almost like under the beds like little you know but these people

didn't really have any kind of private space. But the queen can never go like, I want some alone time. Maybe, but we don't know any records for that. And you know what else? I don't think this time period ever existed. So what does this fact mean then? Does it mean that she slept with way more than that?

Basically, it's a way of bringing up this interesting fact that the monarchs would have sleeping partners for companionship and for safety and whatever. I read that Gandhi used to sleep with naked female virgins to test his chastard. so they would lay next to him in bed. Wow. Yeah, and just so he could be like,

look how awesome I am. Yeah, look at nothing. I don't want to knock Gandhi on our show. I'm not Gandhi. Fuck it, that's weird. No, but maybe he was caught the first time by his wife. He's like, oh my God, you're having a very, he's like, no, no, honey, honey, I am testing my chastity.

She's like, are you going to, so, he goes, yeah, I'll do it every night. But there's a nice story. I think it's in the Bible. You might be able to help us more here, I'm risen at you, but it's, King. David, I think, has a woman called Abyshag, who is an official human water bottle. He gets really old. Wow.

Yeah, and just a woman that he cuddles with. Exactly. And she's a young, beautiful, beautiful virgin, and she gets in the bed with him, and her job is to warm him up at night. She's the world. She's the hot. It has an interesting translation to the 20th century care of U.S. presidents. Ah. And this is mentioned in my father's TEDMed talk, which I didn't mean to apply this much.

Considering it's probably only got like 20 views because it's a TEDMed talk. We'll post that. We'll post this talk. Yeah, yeah. Don't post the talk. But Eisenhower had a lot of heart attacks. Just like constantly having heart attacks. Every morning.

Like you would wake up and he would go to a doctor and the doctor was like, yeah, you had a heart attack last night. And like, he was prescribed, a prescription that he snuggle with Mamie Eisenhower. But that basically was his. It was a fair prescription for a long time that literally to have like a cuddle buddy. Would calm him down. Would calm anybody down. It was, it was, it's been prevailing knowledge up until pretty recently that having someone to like snuggle. Like teddy bears, there's, there are some papers that in New England they used to circulate a lot.

Because I guess New England is where I'm from Boston is like, I guess teddy bears sort of started in Vermont. And again, I'm sure a QI question is whether or not Teddy Roosevelt. Yeah, we think so. Do you really? Yeah, do you think? That's a sort of Teddy Bear Teddy Roosevelt thing. Yeah. It's 1903, isn't it?

It's infuses to shoot a bear. Is that right? He's hunting and he refused to shoot him. Yeah, and Kermit Roosevelt was the first Westerner to shoot a panda or something. Really? Might be wrong about that, so. Just to interject, it wasn't just Kermit,

it was Kermit and Theodore, Teddy's son. And they shot the panda together. So they both agreed that they were going to shot. Yeah, family outing. They both shot with their separate guns. Wow. They both claim to be the first Westerners to kill giant tans. Isn't that touching?

That is, yeah. On that note. That's so No, we should wrap up now But if you want to ask any one of us Any questions about the things we've spoken about today You can get me on at Try to Land And yeah, I'm on at Egg-shaped

Alex, what do you want? I'm Alex underscore Edelman And this is all Twitter We're talking about by the way Greg shouted into the air Alex underscore Eleanor He will appear Greg

I'm Greg underscore Jenna Yeah, okay, and Anna's not on Twitter, but she can be got on at Quicopedia, which is the main QI Twitter page. We're going to have a bunch of photos, I guess, and a Ted Med clip up on the QI. Oh, my father's going to kill me. Dot com slash podcast. That's where you can find it. Thanks so much for joining us, guys. So that was another edition of No Such Thing as a Fish.

I'm going to call it special title No Such Thing as Middle Ages. That's going to be the... That'll be like on the iTunes thing. Cool. All right. Thanks, everyone for listening. Catch you next week.