Noble Blood - The Men Who Would Kill the Medici, Part 1

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

Lorenzo de Medici was the center of power in Florence. Three men—Girolomo Riario, Francesco de Pazzi, and Francesco Salviati, Archbishop of Pisa—were determined to take him down. They just needed ...the authority of a Pope behind them. Sign up for Dana's history writing course! Support Noble Blood: — Bonus episodes, stickers, and scripts on Patreon — Merch! — Order Dana's book, Anatomy: A Love Story and its sequel 'Immortality: A Love Story'See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Vodam. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot.
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Starting point is 00:00:44 Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of IHeart Radio and grim and mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion advised. Hey, this is Dana Schwartz. A quick bit of housekeeping just before we get started. We are back with Rain on me on the Parenthood. Patreon. You asked, we answered, we being me and Karamadankwa, my friend and a television writer extraordinaire, are going through every episode of the CW series, Rain. I say about Mary Queen of Scots, but very loosely about Mary Queen of Scots, and having a lot of fun. So that's over on the Patreon,
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Starting point is 00:02:28 so passionate, that it was making Giovanni Battista, Count of Monteseco, nervous. Monteseco was a career soldier, a practical man, a captain who actually worked for one of the men in front of him. Girolamo Riario. There were three of them that day meeting in Rome. Monteseco had been invited over to the fine house of the Archbishop Francesco Salviati, where Girolamo and Salviati had sat the captain down and told him something extraordinary. They were planning an over overthrowing Lorenzo the magnificent in Florence. With the help of another conspirator, Francisco DiPazzi, they would assassinate both Lorenzo and his brother and claim the city,
Starting point is 00:03:23 freeing it from the tyranny of its Medici overlords. Girolamo had rightly recognized that, for what they were planning, they would need military expertise, which is why they brought Monteseco into the fold. But the thing about a lifetime spent as a military man was that Montesecco knew a hair-brained scheme when he heard it. Montesecco brought up his concerns. You know, he said, from what I've heard,
Starting point is 00:03:57 Lorenzo the Magnificent is pretty beloved in Florence. Salviati and Girolamo both scoffed. You've never been. been to Florence, they said. Trust us. No matter what you've heard, on the ground, things are different. Salviotti was from an old Florentine family, and it was true. Monteseco had never been to Florence. Maybe they were right. After all, from what they said, the conspiracy was happening in coordination with another old Florentine family, the Potsis. The Potsis were even older than the Medici's. Still, Monteseco was unconvinced. This was the 1470s, and so he had of course not
Starting point is 00:04:46 seen the 21st century television program, The Wire. He had never heard the phrase, If you come at the king, you best not miss. But still, he surely understood the sentiment. The Medici were powerful, once a humble banking family, that had extended. extended their tendrils throughout Central Italy and beyond. Lorenzo, their patriarch at this point, was a celebrated humanist and poet, who kept the government of Florence in his back pocket while bankrolling universities and promoting local artists. Yes, he was the single power in what was supposed to be a republic, but there was a reason the Medici had become so powerful.
Starting point is 00:05:36 in the first place. Lorenzo was good at making friends and allies. For better or for worse, he had Florence wrapped around his finger, and Monteseco was well aware that if they tried to take him down and failed, they would be staring down a grizzly death. The stakes in this game were win or be destroyed. Monteseco wanted to be sure he was. was on the winning side, or at least a side with a fighting chance. If they were going to come for
Starting point is 00:06:13 a king, he wanted to make sure that they had a king behind them. He turned to Girolamo, his boss. What does your uncle say about this? he asked. Girolamo smiled. Let's do our next meeting at his place. And so that was how Montesecili. found himself inside the papal palace, surrounded by a thousand years of finery and accumulated well, sitting down with Pope Sixtus the Fourth. The Pope began the meeting, recounting all of the many wrongs that Lorenzo de Medici had done to them, the threat that he posed to them, their family, the papal states, Italy as a whole. But Monteseco didn't need to know the Pope's philosophical position on the Medici. He needed to know if he, the Pope, was sanctioning his nephew's
Starting point is 00:07:14 bloody plan. Interrupting the Pope as he waxed poetic about how much better Italy would be without Lorenzo's tyranny, Monteseco said, Holy Father, it is difficult to execute such an intention without the death of Lorenzo and Giuliano, and several others, perhaps. The Pope replied, It is not my office to cause the death of a man. Lorenzo has behaved unworthily and badly towards us, but I will not hear of his death, though I wish for a revolution in the state.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Now it was Girolamo's turn to speak to his uncle. We'll do our best that no one fall victim, he said. And this next part I'll paraphrase. But if it did, you know, end up being in assassination, your holiness would pardon whoever did it, right? The Pope's reply here is fascinating, a masterclass in saying everything that needed to be said without actually saying it. Quote, I will have no one die, but only the government overthrown. I wish this revolution to proceed in Florence and the government to be taken out of the hand of Lorenzo, for he is a violent and bad man who pays no regard to us.
Starting point is 00:08:45 If he were expelled, we could do with the Republic as it seemed best, and that would be very pleasing to us. End quote. The men were satisfied. They thanked the Pope, maybe asked about the progress on the new, Sistine Chapel he was building, and left. Monteseco, the grizzled soldier who had been on the fence about the whole endeavor, was finally convinced. He would join Girolamo, Salviati, and Francesco Potsi in their assassination plot,
Starting point is 00:09:22 satisfied that they were, in fact, acting on behalf of the Pope. Or with the Pope's approval, murder is wrong of course. course, but nothing is really a sin if it's endorsed by the Pope. If you heard the Pope's statement and thought, well, wait a minute, he wasn't actually saying that they should murder Lorenzo de Medici. This is a classic case of written words, not really communicating everything that the words meant at the time. Sixtus was not a naive man. He was cunning and intelligent. surely not stupid enough to believe that there could be revolution in Florence that didn't involve the death of the Medici brothers, Lorenzo and Giuliano. And Monteseco was a practical man who had needed the Pope's go-ahead before joining the conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:10:23 The fact that he left that meeting fully on board is the historical context clue we need to understand that when the Pope said, Of course, I can't condone the bloodshed, but those Medici really need to go. What he was really saying was, do what you have to do. It was a statement delivered with a wink. The Pope was not only aware, but in full support of their mission, even if he said he hoped it wouldn't be too bloody. In the end, regardless of the Pope's warning, it would be. This attempt to assassinate two men would lead to more than 80 deaths.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Bodies would swing from the Palazzo Vecchio in the main square of Florence. Corpses would be dismembered and thrown throughout the city. What history now knows as the Pazzi conspiracy would become a gruesome spectacle, weeks of bloodshed that would eventually give rise to the entire city government being excommunication. and Florence itself placed under papal interdict. But that would all come later. For now, there was just a trio of passionate men so indignant at the abuses of Lorenzo de Medici
Starting point is 00:11:45 that they had worked themselves into a fervor until they convinced themselves that killing him was the only possible course of action. The reasons why their petty grievances boiled into bloodlust are fascinating. The actual assassination attempt, which would be in the Cathedral of Florence, under Bruno Leshie's famous dome during Sunday Mass, would make this conspiracy the stuff of legend. They would come for the king, their souls be damned, and when, spoiler alert, they did in fact miss, it would lead to more destruction than they could have possibly imagined. I'm Danish Schwartz, and this is Noble Blood.
Starting point is 00:12:35 I could spend a few minutes here describing the government system of Florence in the 15th century. I could tell you about how it was a republic run by a council of nine men called the signoria, with representatives from the major guilds of the city, and then more councils would be called into service should the need arise. I could talk about term length, about how each member of the government was chosen. I could, but that's. would be a waste of both of our time. For most of the second half of the 15th century, the government was one man. Florence was Lorenzo de Medici. The Medici family was not
Starting point is 00:13:28 particularly old or noble, but over generations of building banking power, they became the undisputed heart of Florentine politics and culture. It had been Lorenzo's grandfather, who first elevated their family over the nominal power of just being rich. Lorenzo's father, known, unfortunately, as Pierro the Gaudi, was, you guessed it, suffering from gout, but he was also clever and academic, a lover of arts and literature with a passion he tried to pass on to his own two sons, Lorenzo and Giuliano. From a young age, Lorenzo knew he would be taking over the family business. He was 15 when his venerated grandfather Cosimo died,
Starting point is 00:14:19 and he spent his adolescence going on diplomatic missions across Italy. He made friends with the son of the King of Naples. He attended the weddings of Milanese princesses, and he made appearances in Bologna, Ferrara, Rome, all promoting the interests of Florence and the Medici. When he was 20, Lorenzo married for duty, a woman named Clarice Orsini from a powerful Roman family. His mother had gone down to examine the girl, to see if she passed muster. And while this isn't quite relevant to the subject matter of the episode, I find her letter back,
Starting point is 00:15:00 funny enough that I think it's worth including. She wrote, quote, Her hair is not blonde, which side note was considered the ideal for nobility at the time. Her face is somewhat round, yet it does not displease me. Her bosom was invisible, for it is the fashion here to cover it, but it appears to be ample. Altogether we consider her above the average. Good enough. Lorenzo no doubt understood that his marriage was a diplomatic prospect, not a romantic one.
Starting point is 00:15:33 but in his writing he could barely conceal his distaste for the fact that he would have preferred a more cultured Florentine bride. I have taken a wife, he wrote, or rather she was given to me. Now, usually when we describe weddings on this podcast, they are elaborate affairs, dresses with trains the lengths of city blocks, and feasts with sugar sculptures and stuffed peacocks, And so when you hear the phrase Medici wedding, you might be expecting another list of finery beyond the wildest imagination of anyone who has ever sublet a studio apartment.
Starting point is 00:16:18 But no, rich as they were, the Medici wedding was a simple occasion. One guest noted, quote, as an example of moderation to others on such occasions, there was never more than one roast. The Medici were rich, yes, but above all, they were prudent, and they understood the power of having positive standing in their community. There were a series of banquets to commemorate Lorenzo's weddings, but unlike kings who used their wealth to show off the fact that they were gods anointed on earth, the Medici didn't want anyone to see them as superior. It was advice from Lorenzo's grandfather that he also heeded well. Never have the people be jealous of you.
Starting point is 00:17:10 They were doing the 15th century equivalent of what people today call quiet wealth, no visible labels. In case you were wondering, Lorenzo and Claire's marriage was, to borrow a phrase from Lorenzo's mother, probably just about above the average. To quote a historian, affection grew with habit, but he never fell in love with his wife. It was Lorenzo's younger brother, Giuliano, who was the romantic hero. Unburdened by the responsibility of being the eldest boy, Giuliano relished in the rituals of courtly love and romance. The two of them, Lorenzo and Julianne, Juliano, the two Medici brothers, were the powerful beating heart at the center of Florence, the city in the center of Renaissance Italy.
Starting point is 00:18:09 When it comes to the series of events that would eventually lead a group of men to want to kill the Medici brothers in cold blood, the place we start is with the death of an old Pope. Pope Paul II, who was Venetian, died in 1471. There wasn't too much love lost. Pope Paul II was obsessed with the finer things in life. He collected antique bronzes and jewels. At night, he would bring rubies and sapphires into bed with him. Apparently, it was because of a superstition,
Starting point is 00:18:46 and people didn't like it because it read as pagan. Personally, to me, it calls to mind a cartoon dragon. When he died, the idea was that the next pope should be a more modest man, or at least someone from a not too powerful family with an unimpeachable reputation. The choice was Francesco of Savona, who adopted the last name Rovary, meaning oak, and he became Pope Sixtus the Fourth. Of course, Lorenzo de Medici, born diplomat, was sure to pay his, his respects, and it seemed as though the two men would get on. In fact, Lorenzo was given such a
Starting point is 00:19:31 warm reception by the new Pope that it actually made the Duke of Milan jealous. It was important that the Medici and the papal relationship was strong, because the Medici were the Vatican's major banker. Lorenzo tried to advocate to make his younger brother Giuliano a cardinal, but the Pope demurred. Giuliano was just 20. There's plenty of time for that, and he's a little young. Of course, age wouldn't stop the Pope later on from making one of his nephews a cardinal at 17 years old. The new Pope, Sixtus IV, wasn't going to bring gems into his bed,
Starting point is 00:20:10 but he wasn't going to let the position of being Pope pass him by without trying to establish a family dynasty. And so he got started on a practice so common it actually gave rise to the word nepotism, the practice of a pope giving his nephews, or nepotes, positions of power. Two of his nephews immediately became cardinals off the bat. And for another of his nephews, a layman named Girolamo Riario, the pope purchased the tiny town of Imola, making Geralamo a lord.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Imola is small, but it was an important stronghold, about 50 miles outside of Florence. An important thing for you to remember is that in the 1400s, the Vatican wasn't just a tiny little pocket in Rome that you could line up to visit to see Michelangelo's Pietha. The papal states were a kingdom, and fighting for supremacy and power on the Italian peninsula, just like their neighbors, only with the added bonus that their quote-unquote king happened to be, you know, the pontiff with holy authority. If you have an incredibly good memory for names, you might remember Duralimo, the new Lord of Imola, from our introduction. He's about to become a major player here.
Starting point is 00:21:39 The challenging thing about discussing this conspiracy is there isn't a simple A to B to C narrative of how the conspirators came together and how they all, collectively and individually, built up enough vitriol toward the Medici family to be motivated enough for an incredibly risky coup. But if you bear with me, we'll walk through a few of those factors and inciting incidents and introduce the major conspirators at play.
Starting point is 00:22:12 One of the big conflict points was the sale of Imola itself. Remember how the Pope bought the town for his nephew? Well, the Duke of Milan, who sold it, had originally agreed to sell it to Lorenzo de Medici. Of course, Lorenzo wanted it. It was a really strategic and important town right on the edges of his territory. But the Duke of Milan was enticed by papal power, so much so that if the Pope agreed to have Gerolimo marry one of his and illegitimate daughters, he would sell the town for far less than the number Lorenzo had agreed to pay. Lorenzo naturally was furious, and he refused to have his bank fund the sale. And so the Pope went through another Florentine banking family, the Potsies, who did agree to front
Starting point is 00:23:08 most of the cash. This is a good opportunity to introduce our next conspirator. representing the family that gives the Potsie conspiracy its name, Francesco de Potsie. Girolamo, Lord of Imola, was New Money, who wore his uncle's newfound power and wealth on his person, with silk and gems. Potsie was old money,
Starting point is 00:23:36 the scion of an old Florentine family who had seen their wealth and power dwindle, while the Medici outmaneuvered them at every turn. Francesco DiPazzi was tired of having to grovel for scraps of dignity, while the Medici sat comfortably in their seat of power. When Francesco DiPozi and Girolamo got together, they lathered each other up, bolstering each other's confidence and bravery,
Starting point is 00:24:07 until assassination seemed not only noble but inevitable. Potsy had seen his family dwindle, begging for Medici scraps. Girolamo was the lord of a tiny state that could easily be squeezed out of existence between the real powers of Milan and Medici Florence. And as Girolamo also understood with a creeping awareness, his newfound power was entirely dependent on his uncle,
Starting point is 00:24:40 the Pope, who was getting up there in years. Jerolimo had seen the promise of power. It was just there glistening in the distance. And if he didn't act, it would flicker and disappear like a candle flame on a damp night. He wanted power. He wanted to secure that power. And so Lorenzo de Medici had to go. One writer, Niccolo Valori, writing only a few decades after the assassination attempt,
Starting point is 00:25:15 claimed the entire thing was Girolamo's idea first, and that he came to Potsi with the idea to kill Lorenzo. Another writer says it was Potsie's idea. Machiavelli sort of splits the difference when he recounts the event, writing, quote, and since Francesco DiPazzi was very friendly with Count Girolamo, they often complained to one another of the Medici. So after many complaints, they came to the reasoning that it was
Starting point is 00:25:45 necessary if one of them was to live in his states and the other in his city securely, to change the state of Florence, which they thought could not be done without the deaths of Giuliano and Lorenzo. But here's the thing. Girolamo and Potsie knew that they were both outsiders and not particularly popular in Florence. Even though Potsie was a born Florentine, He had spent most of his life living abroad. If the two of them were going to overthrow the Medici, they needed to be seen as liberators, not foreign assassins. They wanted to spearhead a Florentine revolution,
Starting point is 00:26:29 and so they needed to bring someone else into their conspiracy. The third man in was an archbishop named Francesco de Salviotti. Salviotti was about 20 years older than both. Girolamo and Potsie. He was middle-aged when he should have outgrown flights of romantic heroism. But he had his own reasons to hate the Medici. Like the Potsie, the Salviati were an old Florentine family that had fallen on hard times, and he blamed their descent on the rising Medici. In some ways, that might have been justified. It was under certain financial policies by Lorenzo's dad, that the Salviati were forced to give up a wool business they owned in Pisa.
Starting point is 00:27:19 But it wasn't just pride or a nebulous sense of family dignity that would drive Salviati into joining the conspirators. No. For him, it was very personal. Salviati was cousins with the Potsi, but he was also the right-hand man of Girolamo's brother, Pietro. i.e. another Pope nephew, who was made a cardinal and then Archbishop of Florence. But then, in 1474, Archbishop Pietro died. He was only 29 years old, and so, of course, there were whispers of poison. But the more likely culprit is a few years of very, very hard living. What historians in the books I've read like to call overindulgence.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Anyway, Salviati was a Florentine and the right-hand man of the late Archbishop of Florence. He was ready to get the job. Lorenzo de Medici put his brother-in-law in the position. The Pope felt bad and more or less informally promised that Salviati would get the next open slot. And so, a few months later, when Philippo de Medici, Archbishop of Pisa, died, the Pope gave Salviati the job. But there was a problem. It's worth noting here that at this point in the 15th century, Pisa was controlled by Florence.
Starting point is 00:28:53 The signoria in Florence was supposed to have been consulted about who filled the archbishop position. The Pope hadn't done that. They had provided the Pope a list of acceptable candidates, and Salviati wasn't on it. the Pope didn't pull back. He doubled down and said that as Pope, he's entitled to put whoever he wants into the position of Archbishop. Well, Florence responded, you're allowed to put whoever you want in the position, but we're allowed to say who can and cannot set foot in our territory.
Starting point is 00:29:31 And so, even though Salviati was Archbishop of Pisa, Florence refused to let him actually physically take the position. Salviati was forced to spend a humiliating year in limbo in Rome until he was finally allowed into Pisa. And the entire time, he was stewing about Lorenzo de Medici, the man wielding power that wasn't even his right, like a tyrant. So those are the three major conspirators worth knowing. Jeralimo, the Pope's nephew, and Lord of Imola, Francesco Di Potsi, the family allying themselves with the Pope, and Francesco Salviati, Archbishop of Pisa, another papal loyalist who resented Lorenzo and the power he wielded in Florence, brought in as some additional hometown muscle.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Unfortunately, for Girolamo and Potsie, in the words of historian Miles Unger, quote, it's a measure of how out of touch they were with public opinion. in Florence that the second native son drawn into the web was almost as unpopular in his native land as Francesco DiPazzi himself. But out of touch or not, these were the core conspirators who would then go on to enlist Girolamo's captain Monteseco, the man we followed in the introduction, the man with military experience. Over the next couple of years, there were a number of other slights between the papal states and the Medici that would continue to exacerbate their relationship. Like, the Pope would try to help another of his nephews secure a small town in
Starting point is 00:31:19 Perugia, the Chita de Castello, and the nephew would ask Lorenzo to Medici for help. But Lorenzo had made an alliance with the family that was in charge of that town, and he refused. The Pope would move his accounts from the Medici and do more banking with the Potsi. Girolamo, on behalf of the papal treasury, would do a audit of the Medici bank. That sort of thing. Tensions building until they would, in the end, erupt. There's one more slight that's so petty I do feel like it's worth mentioning in some depth. In 1477, an incredibly rich Florentine man named Giovanni Borromeo died without any male heirs, only a daughter.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Under Florentine law, his inheritance would go to the daughter. But the male cousins who wanted that money petitioned Lorenzo to change the law so that the inheritance would go to surviving male relatives instead. And Lorenzo had the laws changed, which would have been fine, except the daughter, the one set to inherit the windfall, was married to Francesco DiPazzi's brother. It's a slight, so petty, and a law change. changed so specifically just to screw over the potse that you almost understand their murder fantasies.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Anyway, that's the scene set, a number of interweaving players with various reasons for hating Lorenzo de Medici. They knew that as long as he lived, and as long as his brother Giuliano lived, florence would be under the Medici thumb. Wasn't it supposed to be a republic? weren't they supposed to be done with tyrants, especially tyrants that they had petty gripes with? Something had to be done, and they would be the ones to do it. The Medici knew they had a target on their back, and they were careful to some degree. When Girolamo invited Lorenzo to visit him in Rome, Lorenzo was smart enough to refuse that invitation. But the Medici were completely unaware as to the extent of the extent of the moment.
Starting point is 00:33:36 the plot forming against them. The Medici brothers continued to live their life, celebrating art and poetry and Florentine culture. In 1475, Giuliano de Medici had a magnificent joust that served as a coming-out party for him. The streets were transformed into a fantasy scape, with artisans tasked with transforming buildings into fairy castles, with banners, tapestries,
Starting point is 00:34:06 and penance. When young Giuliano, 21 years old at this point, rode out in full armor, carrying a banner painted by Bodeccelli, he must have looked resplendent. He must have looked beautiful, full of the promise of youth and wealth and power. Of course, now that the relationship between the Medici and Sixtus the Fourth had soured, there were no more conversations about turning Giuliano into a cardinal. But still, at that moment, I'm sure no one gave it a second thought. Our gallant knight, Giuliano had the favor of the lovely Simonetta Vespucci, celebrated as the most beautiful woman in Italy at the time.
Starting point is 00:34:52 It was her image on his banner, along with a French inscription, meaning the unparalleled one. Giuliano's men trailed behind him, also gleaming in custom-armine, Looking out at that scene, it would have been impossible for Lorenzo to predict that in a year, the lovely simonetta would be dead of illness, and two short years after that, Juliano would be dead himself, his limbs contorted as the blood seeped from his body onto the cold floor of the cathedral in Florence. That's the end of part one of the story of the Pazzi Conspiracy. but keep listening after a brief sponsor break to hear a little bit more about how Juliana's lover
Starting point is 00:35:52 cemented her place in art history. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wodom. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with him one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think, I want to really give this a shot.
Starting point is 00:36:23 I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration.
Starting point is 00:36:50 It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Wode.
Starting point is 00:37:11 My next guest, you know from Stepbrothers, Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Farrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day. And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Simonetta Vespucci considered the most beautiful woman in Italy quickly became a fixture at court with Lorenzo and Giuliano Di Medici. With Giuliano especially, he held a banner carrying her likeness during the joust of his coming out, and when he won, he declared Simonetta the Queen of Beauty. Though some historians dismiss their romance as mere courtly love, she was.
Starting point is 00:38:49 after all, a married woman. Her husband happened to be a cousin of the famed cartographer Amargo Vespucci. But, in my opinion, looking at the evidence, it seems apparent that Simonetta's relationship with Giuliano was more intimate than just social niceties. After Simonetta died of illness at just 22 years old, her father-in-law sent Giuliano some of her dresses. But Giuliano wasn't the only man who fell in love with Simonetta, at least not aesthetically. The artist Bodeccelli painted her face on Giuliano's banner that day of the joust, and he also snuck her into some of his most famous paintings. A woman with a long nose and light strawberry blonde hair recurs in his work,
Starting point is 00:39:41 one of the graces in Bodecelli's primavera, possibly the central figure herself, and some say Simonetta Vespucci was immortalized arriving to shore, balanced on a seashell, naked with her hair winding around her, a goddess in Bodeccelli's painting, The Birth of Venus. Noble Blood is a production of I-Heart Radio, and Grim and Mild from A. Erin Manke. Noblemud is created and hosted by me, Dana Schwartz, with additional writing and researching by Hannah Johnston, Hannah Zwick, Mira Hayward, Courtney Sender, and Lori Goodman. The show is edited and produced by Noemi Griffin and Rima Il Kali, with supervising producer Josh
Starting point is 00:40:47 Thane and executive producers Aaron Manke, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. For more podcasts from Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Vodam. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot. But if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human.

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