Nobody Panic - Bonus Episode: Live on the Gordon’s Line - How to Make the Most of 5-9

Episode Date: October 17, 2019

Learn to make the most of the time you’re not working - Stevie and Tessa have some top tips on making sure you don’t get home and stare at a wall for four hours before falling asleep. UNLESS THAT���S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.Recorded live on the Gordon’s Line for @GordonsGinUK.Produced and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Hello, welcome to Nobody Packard. Thank you.

Hello to the 3,000 people here. We're all packed in on this boat. We are currently recording live on a boat. Gordon's Gin, at Gordon's Gin UK, have taken over a boat up and down the Thames. It's called the Gordon's Line. It's just all about having a nice time on your commute. Just loving life, basically.

It's absolutely beautiful. We did this one last night as well. I've lived in London for six years. I've never, ever been. on the Thames and done a river cruise. It's absolutely, it's beautiful. It's unbelievable out here. Today's episode is, I'm quite proud of the title.

We're going to do about 30 minutes. My mum always says, like, tell them how long they have to sit there for. So about 30 minutes. She's always like, no one wants it. You know, this is how long, it's going to be about 30 minutes. Do you do that when you do your comedy? Always. Yeah, great.

And for Debbie, she's always like, how long is it? Like that. Anyway, so about 30 minutes. Yes, and this episode is quite naturally titled. This is Tessa. How to Make the Most of the Five to Nine. Do you see what she's done? Because it's nine to five, but it's a bit after.

Yeah. I'm glad I explained it. This one's sort of dedicated to my friend Laura. Oh, who's in? She's not. She's not. But she does listen. And Laura did a job that she hated for a while.

And was on like a six-month contract, and it was paying well and she couldn't really get out but she hated it and she thought and she kept saying to people it's not about the nine to five it's about the five to nine yeah baby so this one's for Laura

and also what she did with her five to nine was uh nothing absolutely nothing no um she passed the bar and now she's a lawyer oh my god what was her day job if you don't mind me asking oh I mean I probably sorry Laura

um she was she was like a telemarketeer and she worked with a lot of very horrible women who you had to like, they were like, oh hi, hi, hi, how was your day? But then everyone was on a very competitive commission. And so as soon as the day began, no one would speak to you and they would like steal your commission from you and they would call, like, cold, call people.

Very stressful, very horrible job. But now she's a very hard. And she was so committed to this like, it's my five to five, I'm sorry, wait, my five to nine. And it was about being like, I do this horrible job in the day. But then this is my time that's for me. And you can't take that way from me.

And I'll use it to work out what I love and who I am. So inspiration. So inspirational. Maybe I'll pass the bar. I wouldn't even take the bar, but I'm very happy that she's taking the bar. Now, if you don't know about the podcast, basically, I'm... I'll stop. Basically, at the beginning of each episode, me and Tessa will sort of report on a kind of grown-up adult thing that we've done this week, just to make ourselves feel better and make everyone else feel better about how being an adult, basically, is just screaming all the time.

And the bar is quite low for these adults things, aren't they? What's yours? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Well, I was going to say... Oh, yes. Well, I was going to say all our topics are always, if you've never heard the podcast before, they're always how-toes and they're always like how to do a grown-up thing that we wish we'd...

How to be confident. How to sleep properly. How to look after houseplants, that sort of way. How to do the laundry. How to work out what all the things on the oven mean. We haven't done either of those two yet. That is just Tess's sort of burden. Every week when Stevie says, what should we do this week?

I say, those two, please. Tess, just do your laundry. I'm like, what is the wiggly line with the light bulb on the oven? Please. Okay. All my food is burned. my adult thing is that I have been inspired by Greta Thunberg

our leader, Lord and Savior, I have been very committed to not just meat free Mondays but one meat a day, you know? It's like, I don't know that's what Brett is teaching. That's what she's saying, isn't it? More meat. No, I've been really trying to do

only one day a week eating meat like I'm a sort of Victorian urchin and it's like a treat, you know? Oh great. Meat for treats. Meats for treats. Love it. It's sort of like, we only have meat one day a week. Amazing. And so that's what I've been trying to do.

How's it been going? All right. I've been calling it like, it's not got a catchy title, meat free October. Yeah, fair enough. If anyone can think of anything better, do let me know. We're only on day three. I've had meat every day.

I was going to say, you had a sausage yesterday. I watched you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I did. But you know what? Sometimes it's the intention. Sometimes it's the intention. I think that's what Greta says.

It doesn't matter. what you do, it's what you say on a podcast. That's what Greta says, isn't it? That's what Greta says, yeah. Yeah, I guess it's just, the heart is here. And also what will happen is, after a while, it will click in, and you will get, you will get on it. Yeah. And we all learn through our mistakes. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. What's yours? I just went to see Hamilton. We had to pick Stevie up at London Bridge, and she texted being like, I'm still in Hamilton when we were at, like, St. Catherine's Pier. I'm not going to make it.

We're like, well, these will be sort of a James Bond scenario where Stevie has to, like, run across the bridge and, like, jump onto the boat. And we'll be like, yeah, yeah. I mean, this was a... I ran, and then the boat took, like, seven hours to do it. So it was like, go! And then it's like... For ages. So the dramatic effect was somewhat diminished.

How was Hamilton? Oh, my God. Who's seen Hamilton? Yeah, like three people? Okay, great. Well, guys, you have to go. Obviously, it's not got enough press. We need to spread the word about Hamilton.

It's so good. I cried so hard that my neck became wet. And it is an adult thing because it's got swearing in it and kids aren't allowed. So that shows that I am an adult. I didn't sort out the tickets or really know where it was. So, you know, you're just taken to the theatre like a child.

In the middle of the day on a Thursday afternoon. In the middle of the day on Thursday afternoon. Like all the best adults, because I don't have a job. Okay. So, maybe it's very good. It's very good. Very good. No, it's you.

Well done. I'm very good. Yeah, I mean, I didn't do much. And also, did you love it? I absolutely loved it. It's the best thing I've ever seen in my whole life. I can't wait. I've been wanting to go for so long.

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Right. I've done nothing about it, so I should really take... Adult thing, not adult thing, right. Yeah, exactly. So, the five to nine. The five to nine. Okay, what do you do in your spare time, Tessa?

Oh, please. What a thing to throw at me out of the... I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What do I do in my spare time? So, like, when you used to work, in like job I was going to say when we, me and Stevie first started

we know it was from university and then we started making comedy together and I made this podcast but when we first started doing comedy we both had terrible jobs that we didn't like and then we would come to Stevie's office when everyone had left the office secretly so my boss didn't see do you think we can say where the office

we can even say this? It was on Oxford Street yeah I'm not going to say the company no no it's gone under now but we worked at Steve we went and then so Stevie would finish her day job and then we would come to Stevie's office and we'd rehearse in a meeting room. And we would like, use the printer, like, tape people's snacks. Like, we'd be in the office to like midnight.

You don't know. There's twice I slept there. Oh, Steve. It's because we'd have like a hot gig in like above a pub that no one would come and see. And then we would go back and like do some notes and do some. And I'd be like, well, I've got to be here in like four hours anyway. So only twice. I slept on the sofa.

Oh, my boss knew. Oh, that's awful. Anyway, they fired me. What? Go on. So sometimes the five to nine can be detrimental and bad. Two mental health.

And also, I think as well, you have this feeling that you have to be maximising all of your time, all of the time now. It has to be like, what, you want to spend your five to nine chilling out after an eight-hour working day? You lazy, horrible girl.

But actually, that is totally valid to do that. It's a very millennial thing to be like, what are my passion? A, I'm so incredibly busy. time you won't believe how busy I am. It says you, I slept at my desk. So, you know, you're guilty of it too. No, that's just disgusting. That's not busy.

I was just like, go home and watch me. But the other thing is this very millennial thing of being like, what are my hobbies, what are my passions, how can I monetise them? How can I maximise it? Oh, I'm on holiday. Oh, can I be tweeting about it? Oh, it's this like constant, there's no delineation. And so in the sort of turn of the century, journey back with the 1800s.

When they first started introducing like union laws and like the working, yeah, It's just really gone in a direction I didn't expect, and I'm loving it. Get ready for the history tour, people. Turn the century when they made, when people were like, you can't just put us in the workhouse and work as 18 hours a day. This is absolutely outrageous. And like, Labor was coming to power, and people were like,

we should be a bit nicer to all the humans. They introduced the concept of the working week, the five-day week, and they also introduced the idea that it was eight hours work, eight hours sleep, eight hours play. Okay. And that was your, so we're quite good. We're not that great at the sleeping part. very good at the eight hours work and the eight hours play is something that we let that's the first

thing to go yeah we're so much better at being like but the work but we're like we should be putting as much attention into being like but what do you do in those eight hours of play yeah absolutely because also the thing I have is when I used to work in a job in the evening if I did have like a free evening I wouldn't know what to do with myself and I'd sort of like just waste it all the time or I don't know like I'd feel quite like tense of all this time in the evening it's a constant sense of like oh have I done enough have I done enough um and so firstly you can all relax because you couldn't have done more with it this evening. Like, could we be in a nice of place?

We're smashing it, you're smashing it, Alexander Hamilton smashing it at the West End. Like, everyone's having a great time. So I think the first thing to work out is like, when is your personal five? Because you might be working night shifts, you might be freelance, you might be working all hours of the day.

Who's to say, like, it's unlikely that you work a nine to five traditional job. So work out when your 5pm is and then stick to it. And then be like, this is when I stop for the day. Ignore the emails being like, oh actually, I know you've stopped, but like, ignore that. Just ignore and be like, this is the end of my working day, and this is the beginning of my eight hours of hard play. Hard play. Very intense play.

It's extremely intense play. I'm not enjoying it. No, just be like, this is, and learn to delineate between work and play. And this is, I put everything down, I turn my phone off, and I do something that's totally for me and for myself. I think turning your phone off is probably like the first, like, practical thing of like, when you finish work, just stop being on your. Just stop being on your phone. Although obviously it's difficult now because things like WhatsApp like that, you have to actually communicate with

other people in order to know where you're going to do the hard play, you know? Yeah, but once you're there, you're in the play. You're in that, yes, absolutely. Once you're immersed in the hard play, then turn your phone off. Is that the kind of rule that we're going with? That's the hard rule, yes. Okay, lovely.

I went to James Bond's Secret Cinema in the summer and I don't know if anyone's ever been to a secret... Name drop? Yeah, hello. But I don't know if I've been to Secret Cinema, but they take your phones away from you and they put them in like a lot of thing. It's so liberating. And there's something, apart from pretending to be like an assassin for a bit

with some like out-of-work actors who are like... No, they're very much in work because they're performing at you and they're being paid very well to do me. Sorry, sorry, I forgot that, but, you know. But like, there's a lot of you being like, where am I supposed to be? And they're like, well, you're in Miami airport. And you're like, no, I know that, but please. Like, where am I going?

Where are the toilet? I don't need to get to the toilet. I don't understand my mission. Like, please help. And they're like, I don't know, madam. which you're like, you should go to Venice. And I'm like, what a fucking famous? James Bond famously an American franchise.

They were in Miami airport when no one would help you. So annoying. It was really fantastic. It was a casino royale. It was amazing. But what's sort of most exciting about it is being surrounded by a thousand people, none of whom have a phone. No one's taking any pictures of anything.

No one's doing anything on their phone. People are just totally committed to it. And then you watch the movie afterwards. And there's a genuine, like, visceral sense when people are like, where's my phone? Because everyone's, like, sat down to watch a movie. And what they normally do is double screen and you get your phone out and you check for messages.

So bad. And then everyone, you could feel people be like, like clenching in this huge cinema being like, where's my phone? How can I watch this movie if I'm not also watching my phone? Like it's so bad, isn't it? We're in a real mess. And I think we need to, you know, learn to be like,

and now we put this in a locked bag. Yeah. I have to put my phone in another room when I watch a series that I'm really excited about watching. Like, I'm re-watching Homeland. I didn't realize I'd already watched it, but up until like halfway through. And I was like,

I am really good. of guessing these plot points. I think he did it. Oh, he did. And then my boyfriend was like, you've watched it with me about six months ago. So that's my own personal journey. I'm so unwell. I'm so unwell. I'm just going to have to deal with that. But at the same time, like, I am, yeah, I'm on my phone. I didn't realize I was doing it until suddenly I keep being like, no, I've missed that. And he keeps just like, rewinding because you've, you've looked at another screen. So I've put my phone in the bedroom every single time I watch. Yeah. So I know, but it sort of feels quite good to be like making a decision. Yeah, but it's a very, it's a real, um,

false economy of like, oh, I'm doing two things at once. I'm actually extra busy and I'm actually getting everything done. You're not going anything done. You're doing several things, half-heartedly, all of them quite badly. Just like put one down. And also, none of them necessarily. I'm looking at like goats fainting. It's like I could have done that, you know, at any point in the day. Yeah. But it is funny. And I would recommend a gog.

So, in first you, we work that out. You work when the end of the thing is. And then it's about being like, what am I going to do with my time? And it's about being prepared in advance and being like, this is what are my passions? What do I want to learn to do? what do I want to get into? Do I want to learn a hobby?

Do I want to go to night school? Do I want to do any of these things? Start a podcast. Do I want to start a podcast in our spare time? That is what we did. Exactly. We did that in our five to nine. Be like, what are the things that I,

and if you're like, oh, I really don't know. It's like, okay, do you ever feel jealous when you see other people doing something? Do you ever feel like, oh, I used to love that when I was a kid and I don't do that anymore. Like, those are things to check. Or do you feel like, oh, I'd love to do that, but it's not for me because I'm stupid.

Yeah. For example. Sure. I'm sorry, at the moment, I want to write a book, and no one's asked me to write a book, and no one wants me to write a book, apart from me and my parents, probably. And I've been using my, like, spare time to kind of, like, jot things down, but not about the book, just about, like, motivational slogans to get me to write the book. I think it's like the kind of pre-book book planning. Well, as... I bring up every single...

Yeah. The book thing has got absolutely out of hand. It's not out of control. But the thing is that nobody has ever asked anybody else to do anything. To do anything. You don't have to, no one is ever going to give you permission ever in your life. No one's ever going to say, please would you do this? Everyone's, no one even has thought about it.

Has to start someone. You have to just do it. And also, apart from maybe like the guys on Queer Eye, who've all, to their credit, smashed out a book this year. They're all quite poor. They, uh, and that was Netflix being like, let's get some sweet doll. What's the book about?

Well, they're each, like their lives and stuff. No, no, no, they've each done their own person. Do you watch Queer Eye? Uh, the first, the first season on, so you don't know. No, the first season. I did and then I've written a cookbook. Of course he has. And all avocado based.

And tans is called naturally tan. Very good. And it's about tucking in your shirt or some shit. But half. Yeah. And that's it.

Every chapter is this that. Anyway, so they're all just like, so those are people who have been asked to make a book. So like you don't have to. But look, we are like, I mean, those books don't sound fascinating to me. So actually, look, you've got to start somewhere.

And they probably create queerer in their nine, five to nine. Anyway. The thing is, like, if you're personally thinking, like, oh, I wish I could do this thing and you're waiting for permission or someone to ask you or encourage you, consider this to be me being like,

do the thing, do it. I'd love to see it, please. That's for you and for everybody. There's also a lot, no, I was going to say, there's also lots of, like, you know, when I, like, the answers to most things I've found to, like, start a hobby.

Take up a hobby. Like, I don't know what a hobby is. I don't know what I want to do. What, like, I actually don't think I actually have a hobby. I don't know. Maybe I should get a hobby. get one. But a lot of people being like, yeah,

star hobby, but actually the 5-29 is the perfect place to kind of explore just doing some fun stuff. It's like a netball team, or there's like yoga, or there's like a football team that play like, you know, on Saturday. Or like, use that time to actually maybe like find out something you want to do that isn't works. That when someone goes like, oh, what do you do?

You say your job. And then they go, yeah, but what are you like into? And you're like, my job and drinking and being with my friends? Yeah. Because that's not a hobby. And I suppose it will help expand your mind. Yeah. I think if you also don't really know what your hobbies are or your passions, then just get in the habit of just saying yes to everything. Yeah, have a go. And so if like somebody at work is like, do you want to go for, do you want to

do this thing after work, or do you want to join the company volleyball team, or do you want to go kayaking, trying to think of hobbies? And then your instinct is like, absolutely not. I want to go home and watch homeland. Get in the habit of saying like, yes, please, even though you don't really want to. Because you can just like not go again if you don't like it. Just go and see. And maybe it's, maybe you actually do really like it and maybe it turns out to be fun and like just get in the habit of saying yes and when the things are on the notice board being like someone in the company has started a book club and then normally the things that you're like boring not going if that's the sort of person you are then getting the habit of being like I am going to it as a challenge to yourself and so

get in that habit of saying yes to stuff yeah I think that's a really good idea and there's a cool a cool like comedians football practice and there's some girls in it that I know but I'm too frightened to do it because I'm scared I'm so bad so I bought a ball and in my five to nine, my boyfriend teaches me how to play football. Oh, that's... The other day, I kicked it so hard, I kicked it into a man who wasn't my boyfriend.

And a dog played with me, it was great. Can your boyfriend play football? Like, like, quite a lot of men who've grown up playing in the playground. Did he have county trials, but then he busted his knee, so he couldn't do it. Oh, absolutely not, no. He was going to play for Liverpool, but...

That's literally my dad. You're just describing my dad. Oh, really? Yeah, he literally busted his name, and was supposed to play for Liverpool school. How did you know that? It's because it's every boy's story in the bar. Tell him what your dad does instead. He's a drummer. Yeah, but for PJ and Duncan. I mean, that was a long time ago, obviously.

And for Peter Andre as well, but that's, again, a long time ago. But that was his passion, and he turned his passion into it. It was really his five to nine, because he was basically supposed to be like a track and field athlete or a footballer. And he started playing drums in his spare time because he's like, this is fun. And then he was like, I throw up every time before a game because I'm so frightened. So then he decided to do drumming. actually, that is quite a good five to nine story.

It's a perfect one. Oh my God. But anyways, yeah, so now I'm... So you must go. I will, no, I'm going to. So in, like, I'm going for, like, my new resolution is to join the team, but I've got a good sort of three months of training. I need to work on my striking,

my passing, and when the ball comes to me, what I do. That's the main three things I'll be working on. My nightmare is walking through a park and then a group of cool lads, a ball comes near me. I know what you're going to say, yeah. And then the lads,

like, oh yeah? And then I have to like, head it back to them. No, no one needs you to head it. They don't know. You could just do a roll. Or you could just do like... Nobody wants you to roll a ball, like a bowling ball. You can. I haven't been sure like that. Girl, thank you for... All they're focusing on is the ball. They're not being like, how will the girl

give us the ball back? I'm sweating even thinking about it. Yeah, I've got very hot thinking about just... Anyway, I really hope you go to football. I'm going to. I'm really going to. I'll probably go once and I'll be too friend and leave. But as long as I've done it, then I've like, done it. But yeah, it's... Say yes. I am. I'm in the process of it. I just need to prep before the yes happens.

No, just go this weekend. Oh no, I'm so bad. No, just go. I don't want to. That's the thing. You do want to. No, I do, but I want to go at least knowing I can pass it, throw it, kick it, or I don't scream whenever it comes to me. I think honestly, you just got to jump in the water. Okay, great. Get at the boat. No, like, you just got to, like getting...

For the sake of this section of the podcast, I absolutely will. Great, okay. The next one is about, like, getting your social gaming gear. if you personally think that you, if nobody at your office is inviting you to the drinks or the volleyball or the... Because they're all dickheads? Or the kayaking.

Be like, oh look, I guess it's got to be me that's got to be social Susan and I've got to be the one in charge. So you... Oh, as in no one's doing... I thought like everyone was having a fun time and just not inviting you. I was like, oh, be social season somewhere else

because they're horrible. No, no, no, I mean, like, nobody in your office... He's doing anything. At the end of the day, everyone just goes home. No one ever says like, hey, do you want to go for a drink? Hey, should we go on the Gordon's line. No one ever like... Let's start a football team.

Let's start a football team. No one ever suggests anything fun. Then you just have to take that on yourself. Rather than... I saw this great quote the other day. There was like, stop waiting for the cavalry and realize you're already riding a horse.

Oh, awesome. Yeah, that's relatable. You will love Hamilton. I was like, yeah, it's nice. It's basically like, stop waiting for your own hero. Stop waiting for someone to show up and save you. Be like, oh shit, like, I can do it. I'll invite...

Yeah, it's like that time. I was like, I've never been on hot because I don't really go on holiday with friends. And I was like, this is a thing. on Instagram everyone's, I was like, I'm in Berlin with my 17 friends. I'm like, I want someone to invite me to Berlin. I can just invite. Would you like to come to Berlin? I'd love to come to Berlin. I don't want to go to Berlin. No, I do. It's actually quite cool. But yeah, no, I've started to. But that's the thing, like, be that person, be, be, be, take the control. Be like,

hey, guys, stick it on the notice board at work and say like, hey, would everyone like to come and do this? Like, you've got to take that initiative. Yeah, actually, when I was in my job, we were all complaining because there was no, because we like, all the other jobs seem to have, like, we've got yoga on Sundays. And then like there's cake bake. So we created some little things. And then like just me and my friend turned up for no one else. Just me and my mate doing yoga in a room.

It's actually quite nice. But that's the thing is like, doesn't matter. Like that's on them. You know, it's not on you. Yeah, absolutely. It's more fun of anything. Yeah, exactly. You were there.

You know, you, that's there. That's on them, you know? Like, you take that initiative. You go for it. Absolutely. And also like, and if you have got a friend in the world, then rope them in. First, congratulations. Firstly, well done you.

And secondly, like, wrote them into whatever it is that you want to do and then you've got a buddy and you've got somebody that is going to hold you to it because they're like, why don't you show up to yoga today? Why didn't you do this thing that we promised we were going to do in the evenings? And make sure that you if you want to organise

all your friends getting together and like everyone who lives in London knows you have to schedule it in with a doodle pole like for 2020 and then nobody shows up. So just be like, this is happening on Thursday you invite as many people as you can and you're like this is happening and rather than asking people like can you do this? Can you do this? Just like

take that initiative and be like it's happening you know also i found as well like booking in advance so like my boyfriend wanted to do archery um because he's a cool guy like robin hood um and uh really really was interested in it and he was just doing like um what's the word like booking a class and then going booking class and then he basically didn't go loads until he like pre-booked loads of them so it's like well i spent all this money it's sort of like the idea of like the gym membership well i've paid so i have to go so like give yourself a bit of a nod it's not really a deadline is it but it's like give yourself a reason that if you don't go, you'll be like, oh, I've just wasted like 25 pounds.

Like that will kind of hold you to account if you can't go with someone else. That I found that useful. Yes. Because then I just feel like a horrible person. I'm just guilt-tripping myself, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Your friends are accountable, the money's accountable.

If guilt is your motivator, then at least it's a motivator, you know, signing up to do a course of something, even if you're like, I absolutely hate this. You're still like, well, we're in the course now, you know? This is why I do on a Tuesday. And also, if you're like, I'm not going to stop a hobby because I want to relax. That's, like I said, the start, that's absolutely fine as well.

But I think it's very important to kind of like almost plan your relaxing time. And it's like in a fun way, like a daydream way. So, what am I going to do? I'm going to do this, this is this. I'm going to make this curry from this recipe book. I'm going to have to get all the ingredients. So I actually put some time into your relaxation other than just being like, well, I'm at home.

What more do you want? Because that's quite boring sometimes. And you can feel like you've wasted your day. But you don't have to like do anything particularly intellectual. You can just like have a nice time. But you kind of need to know what you're doing before you do it. make sense. Yeah, absolutely.

Or maybe not. Maybe that's just to me. No, no, no, no. A very chilled out woman. I'm not. I think absolutely it does make sense. I think it's about being like, I'm relaxing, but what you listed there was like, oh, I'm learning to make this curry.

Like, oh, I'm doing these things. And so I think it's about not getting home and sort of like being like, oh, what are all the things I was supposed to do? And then it's like. Because I can scroll on my phone for three hours, fine. And then you feel disgusting and awful when you've done that. And also, then you're just looking at other people who are smashing their five to and being like, why have the, who decided to, they've got a netball tournament.

Oh, they're all seemed to be rambling in a farm together. Like, oh my God. So then you could start feeling bad about yourself and thinking that you're lazy and stuff. But actually, you know, it's basically you just have to like try and find as many ways as possible to get off your phone. That's essentially what the five to nine, the key to having a good five to nine is. Yeah. I think it sort of is, isn't it?

It's quite sad, but also true. Yeah, it is. It's true. It's about sort of taking, realizing that it feels like everyone else is having. an incredible time and like how do they find out about all these things and where do they learn to do this stuff but they started but firstly you guys made it as far as this so well done and like and also people began in the same place that it feels like you did where they thought oh what am I how is everyone else doing this thing and so somebody had to take that you know on

the cool trips to Berlin somebody still had to be the catalyst of that and it might as well be you you know not to not quote Emma Watson at the UN every day If I must. But she's, you know, if not, if not now, when, if not me, who? Is that what she said? That's lovely. She also said, what's this little Harry Potter girl doing up here speaking at the UN? Like that.

Oh, she put on a voice and everything. That's her normal voice. It's a phenomenal impression. It's like she was in the room. I hate Emma Watson. Do you? She's so great. She's not here.

She's not here. Gass. No, she is. She's the back. Well, she's so small. She's so small. She's done some great things. You can't just hate... I mean, that's not...

I didn't feel like this is an avenue. I don't want to go down. She went to a school round the corner from me. There we go. Here we go. There we go. The love of it. And obviously, they did those, like, open castings for Hermione, and they came to my school.

And I remember, like, sticking my teeth out so far in front, because Hermione had the buck teeth and everything. And, like, coming to school with my hair really... Brum big. Anyway, and then Emma Watson got... did you audition? Yeah, of course I did. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, I completely understand

you're sort of Emma Watson jealousy there. I get it now. Well, they just, they came to it, they came to schools. Like, they came in, like, my school?

Oh. A northern state school. They didn't want to go there. They didn't go there. They didn't go and get you because of all the knives. There's a lovely school. But it was northern,

so that was the end. Oh, I just like, they just made everybody, like, line up in the hall, basically. And then it was just like a hundred girls. This woman, I remember this incredibly glamorous,

London woman came in these like really high heels and did this like she'd like look in your face and then she'd like thank you thank you oh this is an awful way to treat children yeah yeah yeah and then she'd like you with me you with me and so you're like oh god I feel sick even thinking about it and then like everyone was trying to do a face that was like the most Hermione face they could imagine and like trying to be like I know about magic with their eyes and being like we guardian leviosa you know like trying to do all the stuff um what did she do to you oh obviously no thank you. And so then you, but nobody got it, obviously, from my school, but like, it felt like, oh, well, that was a stupid day. Like, of course, she wasn't going to find us. And then the fact that

that woman found, found Emma two schools down was just, you know, it's hard to take, it's hard to take. Anyway, good luck at the UN, Emma. Um, and, uh, that's what she's done with her five to nine, and frankly, I think she's wasting her time. I think the thing stands, which is, if not now, when and if not me? Well, my sister did, uh, a great five to nine. thing. She like changed the law on upskirting. Yeah, she's amazing. And that was, she had an advertising job. And that's what she spent her time. I mean, she was exhausted. I would say maybe like go in soft rather than going straight in hard with the law change.

Because that was, yeah, she was getting up at all hours. It was horrific. But you can, you can achieve in your five to nine. Well, I think with so many things in life, like, and again, like find the personal balance for you. But if you're working towards a particular deadline or finishing something, then it's like, throw yourself in. Like, you know. Life is about sort of like smashing into the end being like, holy shit, you know.

I'm so tired. Yeah, rather than being like, I'm rested, death, you know? Yeah. You know, like, do it. Like, go do the thing. Like, stay up all night, finish it. If it's your passion and that's what you want to do, like, go right ahead, go and do it.

I love that. That's quite a nice point to sort of end things on. Yes, also. I think we're, somehow. Heading into this extreme darkness under this bridge. God, London is so beautiful. Thank you so much.

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