Nobody Panic - Bonus Episode: Live on the Gordon’s Line - How to Make Time for Yourself

Episode Date: October 18, 2019

Me time can be hard to come by - Stevie and Tessa look at ways to make the most of your free time when you feel like you’re spread too thin. Spoiler alert: get off your phone mate. And we do a deep dive into Tessa’s feelings about Emma Watson. Recorded live on the Gordon’s Line for @GordonsGinUK.Produced and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true, Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Welcome to Nobody Panic. On the Thames. In Wembley.

In Wembley? Are we close to Wembley? No, not at all. So we are on the Gordons line, which is Gordon's have taken over at Gordons Chin, UK, taken over a boat. Just to kind of show how we need to take some time for ourselves these days, you know? Enjoy life's moments. Yeah. The Gordon's line is all about having a different commute home and also about showing you a different part of the city and saying, hey, take a moment, stop and enjoy.

Mindfulness. I think that's the vibe. So today's episode is going to be about how to make the most of your time. And we're sort of looking at fun time rather than like work time, I think. Yes. Oh yes. We don't give a shit how good you are. I don't care what you like in the office. Or what I'm like in an office,

which is why I was fired for my last office job. I was like, I actually like a child. But each episode we like to start by telling each other, just like an adult, a very adult thing that we've done, each week so we feel better about growing up and moving through the world. The first, would you like to go first? Yes.

Okay, great. My adult thing this week is that I have just moved into a new house. Congratulations so much. And I... This is the shithole that you talked about that week. I've moved into a shithole, everyone. I've moved into a shithole I can't afford. And we had a row with the landlord.

I said, there's no sofa, there's no beds, please. and then right before I moved in he was like actually prank you can't have a sofa or a bed so for a week I just slept on an air bed it was quite a sad story no it's all right it's fine it's fine Is it a happy ending?

Could be No no no anyway I sorted all the bed and stuff out And then I was gonna make myself Like a clothes rail And I am a real Pinterest sucker She made a clothes rail out of like old piping In her last bedroom And it looked like something out of loaf.com

It wasn't but it looked great. Thank you very much. It took four days. And I could have just bought one on loaf. So this time when I was like, oh, I'm going to build some, you know, and then I get myself on Etsy and then I think like, wouldn't it be cool if there was pipe and exposed brick and like maybe I build a brick wall in my house to expose it? To expose it. Anyway, and then I was like, girl, get your shit together. So I just bought one for 20 pounds on Amazon. A wall. No, no, no, a close rail. So my point is I just be like, look, you're not actually very good at DIY. you can't drill this pipe thing of your dreams. You know, sometimes you just got to cut your losses and be like... Well, especially because if, you know, the flat that you're living in is perhaps transient.

Exactly. What is the point of investing some pipe work in there? Exactly. If you're not staying there for long enough. Yes. And I thought it was very on brand for this because it was like, stop investing your time into... Don't stand and spend up all night making this pipe work that I... That is our first tip.

If you want to do some pipe work, don't invest your time. It's just don't. It's just get it on Amazon. That's our only tip. So that's the end of the podcast. Yeah, so I thought it was very grown up of me to say, you know, don't do that. Yes, to be able to prioritize your time. Outsource that.

Outs that to yourself, but buying it in a shop. Mine is, like, weird, but, like, I, um, I bought some shoes, and they were, they were fine. And then I realized they'd be so much better if they had, like, the opposite color laces. They were, like, black shoes. I was, like, white laces would be cool. Then I realized, wow, like a clown. Okay.

Yes, like a big clown. Okay. And that's what I, like, like, clan, clown shoes. And they are now? These are actually not. These are actually the laces that came with the shoes. But anyway, about two years ago, I saved some laces for some other shoes that were the right colour.

So I just was like, oh my God, I'll go into my laces drawer where I keep all my lace and my laces. And then I relaced my shoe. I didn't relase them very well. And I had to look at a YouTube video of how to lace up shoes. You learned to lace. You got the laces from a drawer that you had done in the past. Absolutely. You had a cool idea and you stuck to it.

Thank you. And that is my adult thing. and we hold hands now. Just moral support. Yeah, thanks. So, how to make time for yourself? Desa, you're good at making time for yourself? No.

Well, I think we're all guilty of being obsessed with this myth of busyness and that busyness is... I'm so busy. It's so busy. And that busyness is a wonderful attribute and we should all be busy and it's a real medal of our own achievement. And we're all guilty of being like, oh, I'd love to, but, you know... Like most drinks in London start with people just like explaining how busy they are

for like five minutes and you're just like and then you sort of want up each other like I'm so busy it happens like seven years yes like you must be quite ill you know there's a lot of that I got up at 5 a.m oh why I don't know actually I'm like it's bizarre so busy I've got to go yeah well I mean that is a thing so there is like I've got some work friends and we kind of like because I used to work in an office as a journalist and we all kind of meet up and it's I mean all of us leave after an hour and then it starts to become like quite lame if you stay for like the proper time because, like, well, you've got nowhere else to be. Or when, like, someone goes, oh, are you, like,

when are you free in October? And I'm always like, the entirety of October. It was like, I can actually do like an hour on the 16th. You're like, what? You do? It has a sense of mystique, doesn't it? Whereas I've got no mystery. There's no enigma here.

Yeah, well, it does exactly that. You think, like, oh, if you're not busy, you know, I remember a friend showing me her iPhone calendar and being like, every day's a dot and everything, every dot's a thing. And I was like, oh, thank you for explaining what calendars do. I'm like, oh, but it's so much, like, I'm actually, there's so many dots, you know, and so I think we, um, we really fetishize the, is that a love for someone who's got too many dots? You have lots of dots.

But also, it's what, it's one dot for no matter what, how many things you've got. One dot for how many things you've got. So when you, that's why I've got like a written diary, because whenever I look at the dots, I'm always like, well, that's one thing. But then you open it, you can't tell how many things you've got, whether it's a busy day or not. Well, exactly. I'm sorry, I'm getting very stressed about it. Continue. It's not to do with anything.

No problem. I just like to ask the lady about her dot problem Is this, you don't feel like there's any, there's no dots, like there's no fun things or there's no stuff or you don't have to tell us if you don't like to. I use like hand diary instead. Hand diary, yeah.

Dear diary, today I have, you're busy but just not on the iPhone. Yes, she likes to just for listeners at home. She's writing these. Yeah, busy, busy, busy. Do laundry. It's like in those bullet journal things and whenever they show how beautiful their bullet journals are, all of the things that people have to do

you're like, do my laundry. You're like, well, that, if that's on your things to do list and that's the only thing you have to do on Friday, I mean, good Lord, get a hobby. You don't need the diary, mate. And they're like drawn their laundry. It's like, you can do that every time you need to do laundry. No wonder you're busy.

You wasted 45 minutes drawing a picture of some laundry. Yeah, that's where the time went then. God damn. So even if you aren't busy and you're thinking like, I don't have any dots in my diary, I've got nothing on. Start a bullet journal. Bullet Journal, filled the time, for God's sake. But also, this is about actively making that time for yourself.

And it not just, either it being like, oh, I'm completely, I've got nothing on. There's nothing in my calendar. Or I've got too many things. Both ways is like, oh, and now I'm actively making this time for myself. Because the fetishization of the all work and no play is not good for anybody. No. Well, my friend works in law. And when he was like, kind of quite low down and just sort of starting out all of the people

a paralegal. Perhaps, perhaps. I don't know. Shall we? But no, all of the kind of like old school lawyers would all stay to like two in the morning every night. And they saw all of the millennials as being like proper lazy. Yeah, lazy because they were doing the actual just nine to five. And I remember that my friend Mark being like, we all just want a balanced life.

Like I want to marry my girlfriend. She won't marry me ever stay. And also I haven't got a girlfriend because. I need to find one. That I need to do that in the evenings. But I think it's a real, there's like a real turning of the tide now where we kind of know we have to be more healthy.

But now we have to fill that time in a way that isn't just staring at Instagram and being like, why don't I have more abs on my arm? Everyone's got abs everywhere on Instagram and that's how I spend my time and I need to stop doing that. I think it probably began this sort of like, we stay in the office till 2am with like a sort of 80s attitude

to like CEOs that were like we sleep. for three hours standing up and then like in some kind of cryos a thing while working then you get up in the morning then you go on the treadmill then you talk to the Japanese then you do this then whenever does it talks about anything to do with business is talking to the Japanese that's where my business is I got to do my business with the Japanese yeah constantly just emailing Japan with my eye my Google glass yeah it's about this like you know we're constant constant constant whereas really I don't think it's very good for anybody and everybody in the 80s had a heart attack so they all but that is a fact as well every

Every single person in the 80s had a heart attack. So the first thing I think is about stop feeling guilty. And it's about like you've got to put on your own oxygen mask before you help anyone else with theirs. Oh, lovely. Thank you. Sort of analogy. Lovely analogy.

You ladies are really so interesting. And I'm glad you're here. That's what I'll say. So I'll say. Yeah, it's about like you. There's a reason they say on the plane. Like you cannot help anybody else unless you've already got your own oxygen mask on. And so I don't know much.

like, oh, it doesn't, don't worry about me. Like, you know, oh, the kids, oh, my boss, oh, this, oh, my boyfriend, oh, my wife. Or, you know, you're like, no, no, no, take that moment for yourself. Yeah, insert yourself into your own narrative, babe. Oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, be the own star of your show.

It's so easy to be the supporting character on... Excuse me. Well, quite. I had to do it, didn't I? What was that? Well, was it the roof touching the roof of the bridge? I think the bridge honked. I love being on this bird.

I'm going to be on her all night. What was I saying? Couldn't possibly tell you. I wasn't listening. No, I was. I got so sidetracked. Do your oxygen mask on. Do things for you.

You should assert yourself in your own narrative. Oh, yes. It's so easy to want to be the supporting character on someone else's show. Yes. My mom, when my dad asked her what she wanted to like, what like when she was a kid, she used to daydream about,

she used to daydream about being Robin, not Batman. And my dad was like, at least be Batman in your own dreams. Like, even if you're a Robin in life, be a Robin in life Batman in your dreams. Like that's, you know, at least. Be Batman, for God say. Like take the, take it like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to take this. This is for me. And it's not shameful or guilty or anything else to be like, I did this for myself.

It wasn't for anybody else. And a huge thing as well is this whole culture of business means that just quietly to yourself, well, I always find when someone is like, so are you free now, now, now, or, you know, these days. and I'll look and I'll be like, well, I've got a lot on and that's my only day that I've actually got, or my only evening where I've actually got that to kind of do with whatever I like. Yeah. But it is free.

So I'm like, yeah. And then I end up like seeing just weeks and weeks going by where every night is filled doing something that maybe I haven't, I feel like I'm obliged to do rather than like, oh, this is actually what I want to do, what I would like to spend my time doing. So I've started to try and stop doing that as much. But it is quite hard because it means that you are very much, you have to treat yourself as your own boss of your social calendar. And sometimes you have chats with yourself. Well, here's quite a... Right, so this is quite deep. Oh my God, we're in.

There's a book. It's about being better with money, and it's called Rich Dad Poor Dad. Okay. I watched a documentary about this guy. I mean, I don't recommend him. And he made a lot of money doing these seminars

where people just had to repeat, I am a millionaire while touching their ears. So everything else he has to say, don't listen to him. But he came up with his one bit of banging advice. His one bit of banging advice for making more money, or having the lifestyle that you want, is that when you get paid, you pay yourself first.

So if you, for example, want a new television or a new sofa or something exciting, and you get paid, buy that thing that feels like a luxury. Buy that first, because, like, you will find a way to make the rent, because you have to, you know, so you will... That sounds like a very rich person speaking advice. Buy the TV, because you'll find the rent, darling. It's like, I won't if I buy a TV. I'll be kicked out my flat.

Thank you, Ponzi scheme, man. But we, no, no, sorry, I wasn't going to, I didn't mean shoot it down. I'd just like to bring in the other opinion. I don't get the other side of things. Devil's poor ad. Do you not think it's a good idea? I think it's a great, no, I don't.

Okay. But were you going to use that as like an analogy for like your time? Yeah. Okay, great. Do you that then. No, for time it's probably better because you don't, no one's paying the rent with time, are they?

So that's probably better. Yeah, all right. I'm so sorry. Have a little lovely. sip of nice drink well okay I think the idea

still stands with the time which is that if you have so many hours in the day it's so easy to give them all away to other people yeah fully agree but if you commit

to giving them to yourself first and being like what do I have left over what do I have left over a real nod here from Liam the DJ do you we're changing Liam's life

do you give too much away do you give too much yeah Yeah. So if you commit to the rich dad, poor dad idea, which is like, what do I need? What time do I? And commit to that first and then, you know, do your own oxygen mask and then do, you know. Look, that worked out really well.

And I wish I hadn't inserted myself into that. No, I thought you were going to be like, buy a TV, you'll pay rent. I was also also not relevant to the podcast. But no, I'm really down with that. I guess in order to do that, you have to have, good Lord, we're really floating. Look, guys, we're really rocking. Okay. I have another one, but I don't want to.

No, no. I was going to say that the way I've tried to do that, and not always successful, because sometimes if someone does say like, well, basically, I've decided to keep Sundays as free as I possibly can so that I do actually see my boyfriend at some point. We live together.

Often it's like, hello, goodbye. In the morning, bye. Ships passing in the night. Ships passing in the night, you know what I mean? But also, I like to feel like I'm looking forward to a day that is like, what am I going to do on Sunday? Well, I can plan my day. I can see friends.

I can do whatever. I like, but I know it's my time. And just psychologically, even if it does mean I go to like 17 birthdays and a wedding, I'm at least being like, but psychologically this was my day and I've chosen to do this. Yes. So I think that's maybe like, obviously

I couldn't do that with like a weekday. It's like picking your time so you know that you're most likely to be free. Whether that is after work for three nights a week, you make sure that you don't, you know, I don't know, what do people do in the evening? I've run out of all examples of what people do in the evening. You know,

see things that you don't want to see? Go sightseeing. Maybe just once. Don't go sightseeing. I don't think they're going sightseeing. I think people are stuck in the office for too long. You're blind. I feel like there's a lot of social obligations.

A lot of social events I tend to go to that I'm like, actually, if I was given the option, I maybe wouldn't have gone to that and chosen to have seen somebody else. I feel like that is a thing. And a lot of people, as I've got a little bit older, there's been this whole conversation about the sort of friends, to make sure that you are making sure that the friends you have are all friends that you are really looking forward

to sing because I think maybe everyone's got a few words like oh it's coming up to sing tom on friday and it's sometimes hard talking to tom he doesn't ask a lot of questions i seem to be doing a monologue every time to see tom sorry tom yeah he doesn't listen Tom thank you for talking about the back and he's uh thank you very much i hate you um no but there are friends that sometimes you feel like oh actually um if i had the choice and there'd be no consequences maybe i wouldn't be making time to see to see these friends, sorry, because maybe they're not giving me as much value as I'm giving to them. So I think the whole thing about both is making time and also like what this whole boat is about and this like stop and enjoy idea is like, it's dump your friends. No, it's about less obligations,

less things that you have to do and more things that you want to do. It's about let's stop and enjoy the things and don't always feel like you're like, oh, have to be here. It's like, no, I want to do this cool stuff. We'll literally go past the London eye. London, I'm so, I just so, I'm not. I'm never been on a boat, not even, I've been on a boat, but I, oh, I've been on a boat. I've never been down, down the Thames on a boat and I, this is my third night on this boat. She's still as excited as she was the first, yeah, she fainted on the first night. But like, you know, do more things that give you that sense of like, oh wow, I'm, you know, I think it's also really, I mean, it happens constantly, but the idea of just getting off your

phone for a bit, but I feel like a broken record, because pretty much every piece of advice for anything is, get off your phone for a bit yeah like it can help everything but we still don't do it and i don't do and i waste so because i actually do i live on a one of the peers and so i uh so is that a woof one of the peers fan of the peers in one of the peers are in um but like it but again that is very good thank you i deserved more um but i will occasionally if i've got um if i don't have anywhere to be or whatever and i'm in waterloo or something i'll go home on the boat but then i'll spend the whole time on my phone. It's like, the first time I did it, I was obviously like, looking out the window, looking

on, trying to look in people's houses that are living on the river. That's possibly illegal. But like, love it. Look at rich people, love it. But, yeah, now I'm just like, I'm scrolling through Instagram, looking at pictures of, you know, whatever, abs, apparently. And I think, yeah, it's like a copy. You constantly remind ourselves to just put our phones down, just constantly being like,

and do I need to be, do I need to be on my phone now? Absolutely not. And, I mean, I don't know how to do that. I think it's like a... Well, if your phone is a problem. for you. There are various things out there called like time tracker, Facebook tracker, Twitter, things that will tell you like,

oh, by the way, you looked at Instagram for 107 hours today. Yeah, I had, on average, five and a half hours a day one week. That's too many, Stevie. Imagine that. I mean, I was doing, I do do work on my phone and stuff, but like, not that amount. And also, also, it divides into work and play, so you can't go away

with it, and it was like, work was like an hour, and then the rest of it was play. Yeah. I was on the Guardian website, that's play, apparently. But yeah, it's quite, we probably should do like a whole episode on how to get off your phone, but it will just be get off your phone. It will just be lock it in a cupboard and don't take it out. Just stop it.

But, yeah, it's, it's, these chairs keep swiveling. My chair keeps moving towards Liam, actually. That's what's happening. So, yeah, the things are like, take that, make that, you know, the time that you are, you know, take it as seriously as you do, schedule everything else. Take this phone-free moment where you're seeing friends or you're doing some amazing hobby or you're learning something

or you're taking this time that's yours and really commit to that time. Rich dad, poor dad style. And be like, you've scheduled it in. It belongs to you. You're taking it. You're not going to, you know... Like lunch breaks are a good one

because lunch breaks, you just... Well, I used to when I went to an office, I would just go out to the nearest, you know, wherever. And then you'd just sit at my community and just continue whatever I was doing with the launch. And then you realize that... So then I started to... It was like a gym around.

the corner and then me and my friend who worked there we would go to like this half an hour gym class and then just like panically showering afterwards trying to get back in time but like it was so it was so nice because it felt like a real breaking up of the day yeah it meant the whole day just felt so much better and I was really then I felt great because I was like I was going to the gym smug about that all day yeah and the only so smug before I was doing it because I knew I was going to do it so there was like a lot of like oh that's my gym bag for later yeah no one's asking no one's just swinging it around oh sorry did you just I said gym.

Oh, you didn't. Sorry? Oh, no, sorry. I'm going to the gym now. Yeah, and then obviously afterwards being, I'm just sweaty because of the gym. I loved it. Yeah.

Loved it. Refusing to shower. Just refuted it all week. I'm disgusting because of the gym. This is just a point of you, like, if you're imagining that you're like, oh, I literally don't, I literally don't have the time or like, oh, my job is too much and I'm there,

you know, for 6 a.m. till 2 a.m., like, I can't do it. But like, you can. And it's also, like, really, really crucial to you. you will be better at your job. This is from, it's not not from Oprah Winfrey.com. My, my, uh, my, uh, my Lord and Savior. But this is from Pallet Surprise winner, John Updike,

who's written 51 books. Bloody hell, John. Embarrassing. Too many, actually. I've read one of them. It was great. He wrote Witches of Eastwick. Oh, did he really?

I would recommend it. Oh, a hushed silence in the room. Just saying, like, she didn't look a reader, but she is. She can read. I can read. I didn't know that's what you wrote. And I hear that's a wonderful film as well. It gets a bit weird at the end, but shares in it.

Someone just measuring, you're imagining Cherokee stones. Well, spoiler. There's a really weird, that's a weird scene, but it's quite powerful, isn't it? All I'm going to say is Sherry Stones. Oh, hello. People can listen and you know to them. I've not seen it, but I really, I can't wait now, quite frankly. but he the author of 51 books,

one of which is Witches of Eastwick, attributes his astonishing productivity to a schedule that honors free time. Ideally, he explains, much of my day should be in a strict sense for me, for it is often in these idle moments that real inspiration comes. And so that free time for him

was the ability to when a friend said, hey, should we go for a walk or, hey, do you want to go for a drink or, hey, do you want to do this? He was a day to be like, yes, I'm free. That's in my, I'm free. And then maybe on the way there, he's like, the witches of Eastwick, what a great thing. Inspiration strikes.

Like those things happen when you are free and you're available and you're able to say yes when someone's like, do you want to go on the Gordon's line on a boat? You're like, yes. You're all going to come up with great novel ideas now. Yes, I literally do because like these are stories that you guys. These are things that like you could not imagine if you just stayed in the office till nine and then just went home and ate frozen pizza and then went to bed, you know? There was a great, really good like long read on the New York Times magazine that was all about how our brains need to have idle time.

They used to have idle time. Yes. Whenever you weren't doing something, you were sort of sitting and thinking. And people have not realized how dangerous that is for our brains. Because now every single time there's a break, I'm on my phone. Or, you know, I'm doing something. And actually, that is when our brains are most creative. That is when we also, like, sort through memories and how we basically, our brains are able to function.

So, yeah, I mean, basically, yes, idle time is the ideal time to create anything or to improve yourself in any way. Yes, and to use that time. doesn't have to be like sitting staring at the wall that time could be though that's quite nice that's your jam like a towel yeah I don't think towel well no why not maybe that is what we're all doing when we sit in towel I spend so much in my day sat in a towel between the shower and where I'm supposed to be just like sat in my way I'm definitely coming and then just like staring dead at the wall it's wrapped in a towel it's how it's a hard it's hard it's hard life is actually really hard guys um but yeah whether that's walking or like seeing friends or going dancing or like

doing anything or like, you know, just like, enjoy, enjoying life and feeling inspired and creative and, like, those, no one's ever said, like, I had my best idea while I was crying at my desk, you know, like, no one's ever, no one's ever said that. No, it's like, this novel came to me here. It's like, this novel came to me on holiday or, but I was supposed to be doing something else, basically, yeah. When I was supposed to do anything else, like, when I was letting my mind just, like, be free and I was hanging out with friends. Because there's actually nothing worse than when you actually do have the time to do the thing that you've always wanted to do, then you're like, oh my God, I have to do it now. It's quite frightening.

Whereas when you're like on a bus or something and it can just, you can, it's like quite low pressure. Yeah, exactly. There's a thing that you actually wrote in here that I, sorry, there's a little document with all of the kind of points on it. I think it's a really excellent idea is when you. I can't wait to hear it. I mean, it's excellent.

So whenever Tessa sees a show or go to the theatre or a live podcast or whatever, she always books two tickets regardless of whether she's found somebody to go with. And I think that's a really nice thing because then it means that, well then you've got a friend to go. Like you can find someone to fill that ticket. Yeah. And people love to be asked. Like, hey, what are you doing this week?

I've got a spare ticket for this. I love those texts. It's like a very low, yeah, exactly. And people are so thrilled. And it was a friend who always used to, I always used to receive that text from a friend. And I was always so thrilled to be invited. And she would always say, oh, yeah.

When I see something, no matter how far in advance, I always say, I just buy two straight away. And if you can't find a friend, you've got more leg room. Yeah. It means that like, it feels like, you just buy it right then. It feels like it's a present from yourself in the past because you're like, oh, something in my calendar. a dot what is it oh i've bought myself this with that in mind guys if anyone's free on october 18th

i have three tickets to jonathan van ness do you want to come okay great sold we did it i honestly it popped up like the other day and i was like oh shit i totally forgot and i'd bought those that's great and it does feel like a present for myself and a part it feels like getting that what do you want this ticket message from yourself months ago i bought them in february that's insane isn't that nuts that's great that's great and it does feel like a present for myself and a part Anything in advance. Normally I'm the girl that's like stood outside ticket touting and being like, can I,

it's free, can I come, can I come in? Yeah, well, in Edinburgh in my show, that's basically what you did. You kind of just wandered in and I'd say from the stage, let the girl in. I just, the poor ticket girl, they were like, have you got a ticket? And I was like, no, I'll be coming in though.

I'll be coming in anyway. I heard you say that. I was like, yes, she will be. Trying to some comedy while I'm doing it. So yeah, normally it's always like, oh, it's sold out. I can't get it. But now I've tried to be this like, buy those things in advance. Make that gift to yourself.

Oh my God. Give it yourself of time. And now I've got some friends to go with. Now you finally found some friends other than me, which is thrilling. But yeah, so hopefully that helps. Do you have any more hot points? If not.

My last thing is just like in the creation of the time for yourself when you're like, this is all well and good, but like my job literally takes all of this time. Be really, really strict with yourself about like when you are at your desk, is it constant, constant working or actually are you easy distracted? Like, are you doing other stuff? And if you can, like outsource and. delegate and be like, do I need to, am I actually good at this activity? If not, can I pay somebody

a few pounds? Can I pay somebody to do it? In which case? Do you have to work through your lunch break? Do you have to do this thing? Yeah. Is it possible to pay somebody who is good at it and likes doing it and can do it in an hour if it will take me five hours and it'll feel like you're like, oh, but it costs 10 pounds for someone else to do it. And you're like, yeah, but it costs five hours of your life. 10 pounds an hour. I was just 10 pounds all in. I was like, well, what's the job? 10 pounds an hour to make a meme I'll make you a meme I can do that right now

Okay I'll pay 10 pounds for that later We'll sort this out later I'll do for you for 10 pounds an hour Take your inbox to project zero If that's something that interests you I will I'm just selling myself I'm actually just very good at that

My inbox is always at zero Oh I'm sorry Yeah so if you It's something that you find tedious And will take you a long time Be aware that like time is literally treat it like money and be like we're so bad at being like

oh I'll just do it myself then it'll be free be like no or you could do the things that you enjoy or do your work for this amount of time just pay someone else be a whole person be a whole person so yes thank you very much to Gordon's at Gordon's Gin UK use if you're doing any Instagrams or tweets or whatever

hashtag the Gordon's line as well we're at Nobody Panic Pod someone who came yesterday was like can't find you on iTunes is because they were searching don't panic it's not It's not don't panic, as stylist called it, literally today. Everyone doesn't to don't panic. I mean, don't panic, but also it's...

Don't panic, but it's nobody panic. We don't want anyone to panic. And, yeah, we're at Nobody Panic Pod on Twitter. I'm at SteevM. VESA 5. Oh, I'm at Tessa Coast. Just normal numbers? Just normal Twitter handles. Yeah.

Thank you so much, Gordon, for having us. And thank you, you guys. You're being amazing. Thank you so, so much.