Nobody Panic - How to Be a Good Driver

Episode Date: September 7, 2021

Now listen, Stevie can't drive and Tessa failed her driving test five times and once drove over a tyre on the M4, didn't realise and dragged it home under the body of her car for fifty miles, but there's absolutely NO REASON they can't tackle this week's topic of How to Be a Good Driver.Want to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. to nobody panic. What's that? It's my car. I don't drive, but you know who does my good friend Tessa here? Hello, Tessa. It's me, five test Tessa. That was my name at school. I failed my driving

test five times. And there's no reason I can think of that we shouldn't be doing this podcast, therefore. I can't drive. You failed five times. But they do say that the more you do test, the better driver you actually end up being because you've had loads of practice, right? Yeah. Or you're bad, but I think you're the former, not the latter. That sounds so kind. Yeah, it's a clubbed in a car with you. You drive like a great driver.

This was a suggestion that was emailed in. And I'll mainly be providing sort of questions. I'll be the sort of the eyes of people who may be a, you know, like in like TV shows and there's like a weird scenario and there's always the main character that's like new to the scene. That's what I'm doing in this episode. Nice. She's the eyes and ears of the group.

She's the audiences way in to understanding this scenario. We've had some asking us about passing your driving test. We've had a few saying that they have various things around the driving issue have to be a better driver. How to be better at parking.

A lot of people talking about how that bad they are at parking. And a lot of people saying that they used to drive and then didn't drive for a long time of getting back into driving and feeling very anxious about the whole thing. It's a big one. Yeah, I think I'm, I would like, I really want to learn to drive, but I would be lying

if I wasn't nervous. I'm scared. I sort of thing I've been putting it off because I've been like, oh, what if I'm terrible? I don't need to know I'm terrible at something else. And also it's something terrible that could have a ramification, you know, if I just smash into a tree or something. So like, you know, it's difficult. But yeah, I'm interested, I'm motivated and I'm excited to see how this episode unfolds.

Before we get in, and you're going to be the audience's eyes and ears into the world of driving, what is your adult thing this week? So, I'm going to, this is something that, you know, a less brave woman would not admit to. Wow. But I'm here to just say that, you know, we should be able to talk about this stuff. I listen to a little podcast with Nobody Panic. that did a how to poo episode. And I thought, yeah, yeah, she's going to.

And I thought, so Tesla looks terrified. I don't know terrified. I looked excited. Excited. Sorry, excited. Look, the old Steve might have blocked the toilet. Gross. But the old Steve had unblocked it.

And what? Sorry, sorry, sorry. To be clear, I didn't block the toilet in the way that that sounds like I did. but I also didn't help things. So what's the best way of saying? My tortoise, Alison, she shot in the toilet. She had a big wait in her run

and I cleaned it up using kitchen roll, didn't think and put it down the toilet. Then I didn't notice it had been blocked. Later on, had a right old time on top of that. Oh, God. Absolute hell. Like at one point I was like crying to my boyfriend being like, if you go in there, I will break up with you. I will leave you.

I will leave you because I can't look into your eyes and know you've seen that. Your eyes have looked into that. I've looked at that, which I think is one of the worst things I've personally ever seen and I did it. Firstly, was like, it's fine. I'll just go to the massive Tesco and buy something to just pour down the drain. There was nothing there. So I did all of the stuff. I, baking soda,

white vinegar, as a thing, mixes the volcanic explosion, essentially, in the bowl. Nothing happens. Oh, the best one was like, just like arm length gloves. Just try and get your hand down there

and pull out the kitchen room. That didn't work. But also, as you can imagine, absolutely horrifying. Horrifying. Absolutely hovering. Plunger. Won't go into why I couldn't plunge,

but I couldn't plunge. This whole time as well, like my boyfriend's in the house being like, I can help. I'm like, if you come in here, again, I will, I'm now, I will kill you. And so I'm, I'm doing this. It's like, you know, sometimes you can help, no. So I, I was just sort of crying and unwinding coat hangers.

I'm sticking them up there. It pinged back. I got covered in my own shit. Oh, my. I had to have a full shower and wash my hair. The whole time being like, this is insane. that went online. Also, all the stuff as well, which is, you know,

like I went online and saw on Amazon you can get stuff. It's all stuff like, don't ever put this near anything, because it will kill you. And the loss of life and the ocean, like, you know, there's that picture of the dead fish in the back of it being, like, dying. It's not like an eco-friendly thing,

but then also being like, I will actually drop a nuclear bomb into my bathroom if it means this goes away. At this point, I don't give a shit about anything. I just, oh God. But then I found this thing called Green Gobblon. which is a eco-friendly thing that you pour down the toilet that basically dissolves everything, apart from your toilet,

and used it, put it overnight, it worked. So what I'm saying is you've got to persist and use Green Gobler a dream. So that's the most adult thing I think I've ever done in my life. But I did it all myself, didn't ask for any help. Well done. Thanks. The podcast this week is brought to you by Green Gobler. For all your toilet places.

It's non-toxic and it worked so well. Anyway, please, Tessa, what's your... There's nothing. I charge my electric toothbrush. Pretty good. I've been waiting to do it for months. So I've just been brushing... There's nothing worse than brushing analog with a digital tooth.

With a dead tooth, with a dead tooth. It's not enough bristles. It's not enough. And it knows. And you know. And you say like, yes, I know. But all I have to do is plug it in. But I won't.

By won't. Yeah. What the hell is wrong with me? That's, that's mine. Okay. Okay. So brush ourselves off from that, from the bit where Stevie was showered in her own shit. And let's move on to the emotional and metaphorical showering of shit that can be the driving experience.

Yes. May I ask right off the back, do you feel as a driver and a ciswoman? Sometimes, so there's this big thing, I feel often. of like women drivers. It's a very old-fashioned thing, but it's also not. So things like parallel parking and things like that. Do you, because I feel like I'd be terrified to be bad at driving because then that would be letting down.

That's a very, very big thing. I will tell you the coolest thing that's ever happened to me. I once parallel parked into a spot by, and parallel parking for me is sheer luck of a drawer. Like, I don't know how it works. there will be men, not to say there will be men, there will be all kinds of people of all genders listening who will be bellowing at me now

being like, what do you mean, you don't, it's luck. It's so simple, but it ain't. It's luck. And once I went to a paro parking for a very small spot, there was a large group of men, a number of different, not just one group, but like a number of separate men had all slowed to watch me. This is why I don't think I can ever drive.

That's awful. They love to offer to park the car for you. That is a real thing. I parked it unbelievably well. Like, even I was a shocked, it was a true shock to me and obviously a shock to them. And again, I say, this is sheer chance. Then I looked out the window, side-eyed them out of the window.

They all gave a face that was like, yeah, that was actually very good. And then I gave them the finger. And then they walked off and I was like, yeah, baby, for all women. But also for sometimes for all women. just to follow that up. But moments later after that story, I then was attempting to turn around. I went down a road that I could not go down,

attempted to go back the other way, had to do this like, there was lots of parked cars, this like three point turn that became a sort of 18 point turn. And as I was backing up, I had to go out the way of a car driving so fast down and like weaved around me. And I was completely in his way and he honked me.

But like way too fast. And I was like, holy shit. And then I was like, I think he's in a car chase. And then minutes later, that's how long my parking, I was taking, turning this back and around. Then the, long enough for the police to come past and then me to obstruct the police on their journey. Then I got to, they got to the thing and there was like three ways he could have gone. And they looked back at me to be like, which way did he go? And I shrugged because I ain't no rat, but I did know which way he'd gone.

That's great. So I am, that's the thing. It is unfortunate. And like, there is little stuff that, like, of course, it's gendered. And of course, there are loads of amazing women drivers. But, like, there is little things in the car. Like, for example, the windshield wipers in the car, you put them, you flick them down to make more windshield. More wipes.

And I'm like, that's so counterintuitive. This is sort of, and every time I do it, I go up to be more. And I'm like, oh, fucking hell, it's down to be more. I was like, obviously it should be up is more. And there are very, there are a number of these little tiny counterintuitive things. that it's like, and again, what a sweeping heteronormative statement, but it does feel like designed by men and therefore women always feel themselves lacking. But really, it's just they weren't designed in the natural way that a woman might have designed them. And so I think we, even though it's like, oh, no, women, men are capable of both things. And they absolutely are. There are some certain things that's like not maybe how you would have done something. And therefore you always feel you're playing into a space that's not necessarily for you in a way that's both emotional, both that's like tiny in the windshield wipers and also things like the air bags and stuff that's like, you know, they are the wrong.

size for women and all the stuff like that. And that's obviously a whole different discussion. But like there is there is an aspect of that. And so if you are a, you identify as a woman and you feel that pressure of like, I don't want to learn to drive because I will be this bad. I think you just have to be like, yeah, there will be moments where men will see me do bad driving. And there will be moments where I do bad driving. I have to be like, yeah, but it's, I don't want to not allow myself to do something just because I might let the team down. So yeah, you might. But no, that's, that's nonsense. You've made that up. If I think of cars, because I don't drive, I think of like top gear, I think of like, basically, I think of

straight men talking about cars. And I think actually it's actually becomes it's not, it is a gendered thing, but it's a gendered thing in the sense that it's cis men and just everyone else feeling like they're excluded from the car chat, including my own partner and also loads of my male friends who aren't that interested in cars, who always feel like, oh, I should know more, I guess. I think it's actually car people being very like, oh, you don't know about cars. A car people of all types and then everybody else, you know.

And then there is, and then it's like, is it a stereotype, but it is also, everyone's got a story about like when we very first learned to drive, my friend, Sally, was in the garage for something ever so small, like the windshield viper or like something that needed a different, a little bit. And while she was there, you know, 10 pounds, done. And while she was there, they said, oh, your treads on your tires, you need a, you need four new sets of tires. And she was like, God, do I? And they were like, yeah, I'm sorry, like, though you can't take those tires aren't roadworthy. sold her four new tires at like huge expense. She gets home. She's like, I've got new tires.

Her dad's like, what do you mean? You've got new tires? She was like, they weren't roadworthy. The men said. And then he like puts her in the car. He's like, back we go. And like drove her back to the garage. And he made them give back the tires and her money.

And was like, don't take people for a ride because you feel that you don't know the words, that you're like, ah. Or someone says, like, what kind of car have you got? And you're like, blue? I don't know what kind of car it is. And they're like, what kind of car it is? And they're like, what kind of car is? kind of litre engine you're packing and you're like, 20 litres.

12 litres. Your English litres. Twelve horses could pull the car. The power of the horses is strong. But actually it doesn't take very much to learn a few of the words and you're like, oh, okay, I get it, I get it, you know, I understand a bit more and not to be, and not to be embarrassed when someone says something that you don't know and to be like, I'm sorry, I don't know the answer.

Could you explain what it means? Yes, right. And rather than being like, ah, okay, I'll buy four diets. you know. Yes, because with this kind of like, oh, I guess there are car people and I'm not a car person, then you bring as a non-car person your own sort of strange energy, which is just like, I'm not anything by, and that's unhelpful. Yeah.

Because you can learn a bit. Like you can maybe have a bit, because it feels like with driving from the outside and knowing lots of drivers and being driven a lot, you know, in my time. My personal driver often says it's all about. confidence and of course a lot of the time there are certain sort of sections of society who are more confident in general and then certain new art and so you feel like the odds are stuck against you because you're just like like I've got a friend who has learned to drive recently or about three years ago and she still just hates it and just she just feels it makes it feel

stupid she always feels like she's doing the wrong turning and like she doesn't like so I keep I keep meeting up with her and she keeps like having got the bus. I'm like, but you should just, you should drive because that's like good way of practicing. And she's like, I don't want to have a terrible day.

You're like, well, you know what? Yeah, okay. Big thing, people being like, I don't want to drive.

It's not a pleasant experience for me. And the people writing in to say that they feel anxious now, even though they have passed their test, they don't want to do it. I think it's about driving when you don't have anywhere specific to be. You're not in a rush. You're not trying to get anywhere. You don't have anyone else in the car.

So give yourself a challenge this week to drive to the big supermoder market that's out of town or to go and pick something up or do whatever in the car. That is no rush, no time constraints, no one meeting you at that end, no one meeting at the other end, nobody else in the car with you. It's just you and the car because it's instinctive. It's like, well, someone should come with me because I'm not good. It just repeats the mantra that you're not good. And instead of driving, you're thinking about what they're thinking about and you try to impress them with your driving. It's you and the car and the other road users and you just safely getting from A to B. And yes, you can do this thing. And you'll be so much better when you're on your own and you think of each,

when I feel nervous or I driving a new car for the first time, or you go driving in another country or anything like that where you think, oh my God, and your instinct is like, I absolutely can't do this. I shouldn't do this. Someone else should take over. We're like, just do, we're just going to do one minute at a time. We're just getting down, we're just getting out of this car park,

then we're just getting out of this road, then we're just taking this turning. It's not thinking about other things. It's just being like me in the car, and we're just doing each leg of the adventure, you know, one little bit after another. We didn't go straight to Mordor. We had to stop in Rivendale, you know?

We're just doing each small leg and we're doing that safely and well and calmly. We're not in a rush. And if people honk, people honk, you know. My friend often has her partner in the car with her because she's nervous. I think it's important. Yeah. And it's just, and it's him going like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

And she's not driving in the way that he would drive. He wants to drive. And she feels silly. No, exactly. And it exacerbates the problem. Yeah, which it shouldn't do. But of course, I completely understand why it does. And that also puts me off.

And I'm in the back ring like, cool, I will never drive. It was a big thing once having somebody in the car who said, do I make you much more nervous when I'm here? And I said, 1,000% yes. And I think it hadn't really occurred to him that that was the effect, you know, and it hadn't really occurred to me to say, actually, I'm much more terrified with you talking. And then he just went on his phone. And I was so much better and so much karma. and then he was like, great driving.

And I was like, thank, you know, like, it's that pressure of somebody, they're not really being extra eyes and ears and helping. They're making much, much worse. And then it's like, how do you want me to do things as opposed to what is the correct thing in the road and the safest thing at this moment and what is me and the car? So I think it's that about like, get everyone else's opinions out of there. They're not helpful to you. You are the driver and you can do this.

And just go at your own pace and your own speed. And if you need to be like, oh, God, that was a horrible little, hairy turning. I didn't like that. Be like safely pull over and regroup and just have a stop for a second and then we'll go again and because that's thing like practicing when you're not in a rush. And if parking is a nightmare for you, go out to a car park, a big, get to yourself to the superstore car park in the early evening or somewhere that's like there isn't a lot of people around. You can just practice badly parking and don't worry about impressing anyone or don't worry about people looking at you. You'd be like, if they look, they'll be like, there's a person trying to park and then they'll get on with their shopping. thing.

That's the thing, yeah, because I would like, oh yeah, but someone's going to be like, what's that girl doing just like parking all over the car park? Literally, nobody remembers or is looking because they're just going to the shop. Yeah. Like, that's like, that person is parking their car. Like, that's it. And like, at most, they'll go, that person's practicing parking. That person's parking.

They're like, good for them, makes them a better driver. You know, who cares if people look at you and people's, especially the opinion of strangers holds people back from doing so much stuff. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, don't get to the end of your life and be like, oh, I didn't do these things. in case a man I've never met and will never met again, maybe thought ill of me. It's like, it doesn't matter what they think. And I say this as absolutely, as a cautious, extremely slow driver, and I don't, you know,

I like to just go up my own pace. I sit very upright because I'm just very focused. I like to be focused all the time. And I've been described as a Labrador that's got behind the wheel. Sure. once my university boyfriend I was meeting him picking him up maybe and his we had a you know we're meeting at like flint services or something in some you know equidistant between our two houses and his mother had driven him there and they were I was late though I think

when you're driving you go at your own pace you got there safely that's the only important thing they were waiting for me in the car park they saw he didn't know what in what car I drove and at a distance they saw this car come in his mother said is that her and then the car I went directly over the small grass roundabout. And he went, yep, I reckon so. And I just like weaved my way in into the car park. I think it's like, you know, like, yeah, sometimes I mount the verge, sure. But like it doesn't, you know, if you just like safely get places, you know, it doesn't matter.

There's a big, big difference between being like a boy racer who's like driving a million miles an hour and smash, you know, going crazy and scaring people. and someone who's occasionally, you know, not in slightly the wrong bit of... Go across the roundabout. Occasionally mounting the grass roundabout, sure. You know, like, I do think there's a big difference. Like, no one else was in danger. No one else, you know, like, don't let your slightly poor special awareness stand in the way, I think. Would you recommend...

So would you have always been interested as somebody, because I grew up in not deep, not as deep countryside as you, but very, like small town. Yeah. And I've always wondered whether, when I'm learning to drive, to do it in a small town first and then maybe practice around a big city, scary city. Because my feeling is that you just want to be like, no, I'll learn along the country roads. But then whenever I have to drive through a city, I might die because I've never done it before. Yeah, I think, I do think that people who learn to drive in London are exceptional drivers or any big city.

That is my take home rather than people who learn to drive driving around the industrial parks of their local town. Like I do think city driving is a whole different ballgame and it gets you better at the road rage element and the people and just knowing how there's like eight lanes and you need to be in exactly the right lane you can't cross and all of this stuff. So I do think definitely if you are able and you're currently living in a city and you've got the time and you've got a bit of money, I would absolutely recommend learning drive. You don't ever have to drive after that. You don't have to buy a car or do anything but it's just nice to be like I did it. The option is available to me and I would recommend for sure learning to drive in a city if you are living in a city. But not doing your test in the city Yeah, do your test in the city by all means

And that's the thing Like there is so much stuff And myths and legends about like Where the easiest place to pass is Where the best pass rated Where the best time of day What instructor you need All of this stuff

That stuff will send you crazy The rumour that got out When I was learning to drive When I was at school Was that you needed to wear Very dangly earrings in your test For Do you want to guess why

Impress the examiner. No, do you want to guess why? I really do, but I am so at sea as to what it could possibly be. Oh, so that they can, when you turn to check, they can hear you check it because they don't think, wow. Yeah. That is genuinely why it was to be like, and also to make you more aware of it of being like, I've got to get the old dangles, you know, flying around as I look in my mirror, mirror, mirror, do all my bits. Dangle, dangle, dangle, dangle, dangle. Do you see this? Listen, I say it's somebody who wore the biggest possible earrings to all five of her test. The earrings are irrelevant.

You know, like the way you do it is irrelevant. I would say you do need to do it in the instructor's car. I did it in my rover and then he's like, he was a rover 100. He was just like bits of him were dropping off and I'm pretty sure every time I drove into the test center, they looked at it and were like absolutely not fail immediately. Yeah, she's failing. You know, fail. Whereas when I had and also those all those five tests, the first one, no lessons. Just like get, they went for it. Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, we're just going to have to pause that. I'd had like two.

Park that. Honestly, there's two lessons and you went for a test. Yeah, because when you're a provisional learner, you pet, anybody who has a driving license can drive in the car with you. So I had my L plates on and I was driving with my parents, both them giving extremely conflicting advice. And then I was like, yeah, bloody hell, off we go.

Done, you know, obviously failed. Then I had like a different woman. Then I had a series of instructors they didn't like and only had them for a few times. And also, like, try and save money. and you're like, fine, done. And then around you go again.

And then finally, word of mouth, my friend, who was an excellent driver, hello, Phoebe, was like, have my man. Like,

he's really boring. He's really sensible. You don't need to be having a laugh with your driving instructor. You need to be learning to drive. And I went, I had a proper, like,

two weeks. We took it really seriously. Like, we really learned. And he didn't let me flap about and be mad and everything. And then I did it in his car. And also,

I think when you, when you are with an instructor to an extent when they come with you to the test center, they sort of know, they sort of, the examiner sort of looks to them to be like, are they good enough? Like really, this 45 minute exam isn't really, you know, it's like, the instructor is like, I've been working with them for a month. I know that they are good enough to take this now. I vouch for this ability, you know, and then just like, just that thing of like, just showing up for yourself. Like if you, it just be like, would I pass this kid in this rover? But also say you can shop around with driving instructors.

Definitely. Get loads. I've had, I had six by the time. And then when I found him, I was like, this is the guy. Well, so much of it appears to be it's you versus you, not you, but like, it's one versus one. Yeah. Where it's like, it's, you can be your own worst enemy in this situation. Panic, think, oh, you know, I'm actually really bad. Because, you know, like, I really, well, I do this all the time in life anyway. Well, I will, like just say things. Like, oh, I'm really bad at this. Or like, I'm, I'm this sort of person. It's like, okay, but got to have a look at it and see if you could maybe not be. because actually we can all improve. It's all about confidence in how we perceive ourselves. So the worst thing possible is for you to just be like,

I know lots of people who will say, I'm a terrible driver, I don't drive at night, I'm a very frightened driver. It's like now you are, but what you've done there is you're hiding behind this role that you've created for yourself so that it means you don't have to put yourself in uncomfortable situations

because that's what our brains are doing all the time when actually you're probably, like the amount of people that have driven me somewhere to like a gig or just anywhere and gone, oh, sorry, I'm really all over the place. And I'm like, and I always have to say, I don't drive. So anything you do is impressive. And I can't tell what a good driver is, a bad driver.

You seem great. So it's all about what the energy that you're bringing to. Unfortunately, of course, then you have to deal with the sort of types of, you know, like how we always say about how what other people think and, you know, you've got to be very careful about who you listen to and ignore people who are just giving you unslisted advice. Now you've got a situation where those people are honking at you. And very aggressively.

And I feel like it's the ultimate most distilled version of like, ignore what other people are doing. Just because a man is honking at you. It doesn't mean that he's necessarily in the right and you're in the wrong. Also, what a terrible way to try and express your feelings just by doing a mad honk. I've got an absolutely mad way of doing it. As someone who gets honked a lot, I would say, I'd rarely know what it is they're honking about. Yes.

I always presume that, actually I think my parents did this, they're just like, oh, there's honking at someone else. Yeah, exactly, it's honk for someone else. Always been like, if you are aware and alert and you know where you are and you're like, this feels safe and then someone's honking and you're like, yeah, okay, have a good day. Yeah. Like, the situation's resolved and I'm sorry if I was in slightly the wrong bit or if I've,

you know, but like ultimately we all got out of it safely and it's not, you know, city road rage about being like, because people are like, you've got to be in this bit and you've got to do this. And it's like, hey, everybody. Let's be calm. So I don't fear the, don't fear it. Like,

it's okay. And I'm not, I'm not, and I know I sound like an absolutely chaotic driver. And I'm not. I've been in the car with you, you're not.

You've driven me this place. It's very long distance. I'm just, I'm just cautious and I take it and sometimes I'm, I'm not like a Formula One drive. It doesn't,

I don't enjoy. So you're not a Formula One driver. Like I wouldn't enjoy like weaving or getting the good places or like, it's not exciting to me to like get there better. Some people are like, I love driving. I love the car.

I like the freedom of the car, but I don't love the engineering of everything. And to me, it's just like cautiously and calmly getting from A to B and isn't that exciting that you got yourself here as opposed to being like, what if I could get in the best way and what's the best thing, you know. And so, like, I don't ever announce that you are a bad driver. You're not a bad driver. You're a perfectly good driver who's maybe a little bit cautious. And that's no bad thing.

And you mustn't allow anybody else's opinion to make you feel nervous. Like you absolutely can do this. And if you're thinking about learning to drive, I cannot recommend it enough. It doesn't mean you have to buy a car. It doesn't have to tell people. It doesn't need to drive anywhere. But it would be a cool thing.

Just be like, oh yeah, I can. I can drive. I got through that. I understand the biting point. I know a bit more about cars. I don't have to do anything with it, but I've just got a driver's license. And that's a cool, proud thing to have

because you out and do not let the fear of somebody watching you park put you off because it will happen and you'll be bad at it. And then they'll move on with their day and you'll be like, and then you'll have another go and then you'll park. You know, done. Yes.

That's very powerful. Has it made you in any way wish to take your, to learn to drive? You know what it has? It's made me feel a little bit more confident. I think it's also just helpful hearing people who can drive say about things that they've done that are like, oh God, I didn't know. And it's really nice. It makes me feel less alone. It makes me like, no, I can, I can drive.

Yeah. So don't hide behind, I'll probably be awful. Yeah, we probably will at the beginning. Yeah, everyone will be awful. It's a completely new thing. And then you'll get good at it. And also there are loads of properly, objectively bad drivers who think they're good out there. Much better to be somebody in your position who probably is very good and thinks back, you know,

because you're just trying to be safe. Like, goodness sake, get out and then. Be alone when you do it. Just like my number one thing. You don't know anyone else in the car with you. You can do this. You don't need their opinions in there. Just you can do it.

I believe in you. The car believes in you especially. The car believes in you especially. He's rooting for you every step of the way. Yes. Hopefully that helped to the numerous people who have emailed in about. feeling anxious about driving, like it's helped me. If you have an episode that you're like,

ooh, I'd like if they did that, email us, Nobody Panicpodcast at gmail.com. Find us on social media at Nobody Panicpod. I'm at Stevie M, the S&F5. I'm at Tesla Coates. The T stands for the fine driver. Fine driver.

Not good, just fine. Just like, you know, have a lovely week. We'll see you next week. If you're driving and you're a bit worried, get out there. Get out there on your own. Start baby steps. Go to go to the big.

goes with no time pressure on your own. Oh look, you got there. And tap the dashboard and say, we did it. So good to also go to someone with food at the end. But give us a little treat that you got there. Oh my God, gorgeous. See you next week, guys. Enjoy your cars. Keep on trucking. Drive safe. Drive well. Are we believing you?