Nobody Panic - How to Be Single in Lockdown

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

Struggling to be single during lockdown? Stevie and Tessa got so many requests for this that they chatted to their single pals and collated some motivational, hopefully helpful advice to get you throu...gh now this period of time where nobody can legally date anyone. Absolute state of it.Want to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded by Naomi Parnell and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.
Starting point is 00:00:17 True on Saturday the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Do you love social media? Do you hate social media?
Starting point is 00:00:36 Do you love me, Stevie? Or me, Gina. Who are you? I'm your little sister. And this is our new podcast. MyDleet later where we go into interesting people's timelines. Look at their missteps and things they're proud of. Yes, we basically get cool people like James Acaster, Ed Balls, Owen Jones,
Starting point is 00:00:53 Aja Barber to bring their worst posts, first posts and posts that they like. And we discuss them, rip them apart, baby. So subscribe to Mike. delete later, the podcast. You can find it on anywhere that you normally get your podcast. Spotify, Apple, whatever. It's way better than nobody panic. Yeah. What? I'm Stevie and to my right is Tessa. Hello, hello. We're just two girls going to guide you through some nonsense. We have received quite a lot of emails with the same sort of vise. I would broadly categorize them as, oh my God, lockdown, can you help?
Starting point is 00:02:04 Which we have actually done out how to survive lockdown the first time around. So if you go back and have a listen to that. And then another one being like, I'm single, I will never meet anybody ever. And they have very much increased over this lockdown. The mailbag is full. And we've been going through the mailbag and the vibe, there is a lot of vibe coming out of like, What? Oh, no, my womb is withering. I'm alone. What are we going to do? Oh. So if you are feeling like that, oh, you are so not alone in those feelings. They are big and they are increasing. Yes. Many, many parts of many types of bodies are withering as people sort of just sit and look at their own bodies and go, I'm alone. That's essentially what the vibe has been. We've got a lovely. lovely and I'm not going to read all, because we've had so many, genuinely, but I'm not going
Starting point is 00:03:00 to read all of them, but there's somebody, and you know who you are, a lovely 17-year-old, and it was like, what if I never find a partner? And it's like, oh, I feel you. You're sweet, lovely little baby. But you're a tiny, young. Baby, you'll be okay. I promise you. But I know that feeling. If you have got a one at the front of your age number, your feelings are 100% valid, but we swear on our lives, things are going to get better and things are going to change. But also in saying that, now I feel like because I've got lots of friends who are, you know, they've turned 30 during lockdown or 35 during the age you can imagine. Yes.
Starting point is 00:03:42 They're single. And basically, the moment you sort of turn 16, you feel the same. You feel like, well, I need a boyfriend or a girlfriend or a partner. I need somebody. I need. something. I need a relationship. I need a relationship. I need a relationship. And when you don't have it, you consistently feel like you are becoming too old for it. And that happens constantly. And I don't think it ever stops. But what I will say is that like this lockdown period has intensified everybody's feelings because the usual like way of getting over that that feeling is to like, okay, fine. I don't like the idea, but okay, I'm going to go out. I'm going to start saying yes to things. I'm going to go on dates. And you can't, we can't do those things to
Starting point is 00:04:22 help ourselves at this moment in time. So it's, there's a real feeling of being trapped. And I've, my God, I feel, I feel your babes. You know, all these exciting things you had planned this year. And we're not allowed to do any of them. And we're not allowed to, you know, and if, especially if you're like, I'm in the absolute prime of my life here. I once stood in front of the bathroom mirror in not very many clothes. And I'm, and I shouted at the top of my voice, nobody is looking at this that's so
Starting point is 00:04:55 that's such a distillation of the feeling I was just like I was wearing my best underwear and I was like no one is looking what if by next year it's got shit
Starting point is 00:05:07 it's looking good now listen on Halloween I got drunk I couldn't cope anymore waiting for Boris's lockdown announcement and I put on a child's cheerleading costume that hangs in the wardrobe and I thought I just assumed it was like an old
Starting point is 00:05:23 it's a vintage one that I got and I just it hangs up for show I didn't actually think you could ever get in it anyway I put it on no further questions and then I was just parading around taking pictures of myself sending the people all of whom received them and were like what the fuck is this why have you sent me this um I was like I don't know feel something isn't it like just this is the thing I just got so upset because I was like it's a full the moon, it's Saturday night. This should be peak Halloween. We should be out doing the stuff. And instead, we're waiting for fucking Boris to tell us, I just, I couldn't bow. I want to go to a party. And get off with people. I want to go to a party and get off with people and do make bad decisions at 2am. I want to live.
Starting point is 00:06:07 This is very much the energy of the emails that we've been sent. This is the energy. I think, Tezzer, did you just send me loads of emails? It's all been from me. So we're going to do our adult things And then we're going to get deep into it The vibe is going to be like motivating It's going to be real talk It's going to be some advice Obviously I'm a taken woman
Starting point is 00:06:28 I'm an owned woman A man owns me The Shadow However many many single friends And many intense WhatsApp discussions And I feel like I can pass on some information from them And I feel like I can help a little bit Yeah, adult things
Starting point is 00:06:44 Mine's not even mine I'm going to pivot and I'm going to do a shout out to somebody else for my adult thing. Okay. It's to my sister, hello Amy Coates. She, in October, well, let's spiral back slightly that she can't run. It has never been a runner. And then in lockdown started learning to run. And we had some intense, like, smart goals because she wanted to be able to run 5K in 30 minutes, which may be much faster or much slower than your personal time.
Starting point is 00:07:13 And listen, no running, no shade in running. You do you. Anyway, so you could currently run it in 45 minutes, and can you shave 15 minutes off your time in a day? No, could you maybe run it in 44 minutes? Maybe yes. So we were very slowly and creeping our way down to it. And then in October, she just announced
Starting point is 00:07:32 that she was going to do something called run the month, where you run the kilometre of the date. So on the 1st of October, you run 1km, on the 2nd, you run 2 kilometres. On the 10th, you run 10 kilometres. On the 31st of October, you run 31 kilometres. Oh, my God. So accumulatively, this young whippersnapper,
Starting point is 00:07:51 who's never really run anywhere, suddenly in October ran 500 kilometres. And she did it. And she runs along with us in her ear. So we've been there, Stevie. In many ways, we were the biggest part of the journey. Well done us. Well done us, actually.
Starting point is 00:08:07 That was a real slog, actually, at the end there. No, I was just going to say, bloody well done. That's amazing. It's so impressive. And I know so many of you out there are doing really amazing, really cool things that you've set yourselves and you're all in your own way. Making 20-20-year-olds, I want to say, well done, Amy, and well done everybody. And even if you're not, you still hear, you listen to this podcast. You've made one good decision.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Yeah. Congratulations. What's yours, Stevie? So quite a while ago, my adult thing was I bought some invisible bubbles, which were like a little tiny slinky bubbles. And we discussed at length about how, the why they're called invisible bubbles, because I thought they were supposed to disbisible. appear in your hair, but it does not why. It's because of the line in your hair. Anyway, I bought some cheap ones, so I didn't buy the actual InvisibleBumble brand. I bought some cheap ones from boots, and they all broke after one use. And my adult thing is that then I bought the actual
Starting point is 00:08:58 invisible one, which is just £2, but I really don't like as a rule when people say things like, and often there's on podcasts, and it's often, posh girls. No, it's not you. Invest. Buy cheap, buy twice. Buy cheap by twice. Invest in something and it's like, cool, if you've got the money to buy like the nice version of it. Well, then why are you listening to a self-help podcast about buying things? Like, you're fine. But also, lovely to have you and I'm very glad you're here. However, it's very easy to say that. So I just want to say that it's an adult thing. Yes, I have learned that it should have bought the more expensive invisible. But I do think that the buy cheap, buy twice thing is fine when it's, when we're talking like two quids different. Yes. Let's get into being single in a lockdown.
Starting point is 00:09:41 environment. My first thing I just wanted to say right up front is that I think it's incredibly hard. And I think if you're listening and you are single and want a relationship, of course, if you're single and you're absolutely fine not being in a relationship, then the answer to how to be single in lockdown is just keep on going, my friend. Live your truth. If you're starting to feel lonely, you're starting to feel, you know, that you do want a relationship or maybe this this period of time is actually making you feel like that. Because it's making everyone feel lots of different things and lots of lonely even when there are people around us sometimes
Starting point is 00:10:16 because of the news and the life. The lifestyle. It's the most important thing as with so many of these situations is to accept it's hard and that that's okay and you're not failing because the one thing, and I've sent voice notes just screaming at some of my friends. And I'm not a tough-loved woman. Tessa will attest to that.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Tess is the tough love woman. of the two of us. I'm the tough cop. He's the tough cop and I'm sort of like, sort of in the corner being like, cough. Cough, coughing cop. That's what I'm about.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Absolutely no help to the police force whatsoever. No help. I've also shot myself. So, I've sent voice in a screaming at friends because so many of them are like so great and they just happened to be single, for whatever reason, before lockdown happened. They've remained single throughout the first lockdown,
Starting point is 00:11:07 And then obviously when the great reckoning between the lockdowns happened when everyone was like, shag! Because we got a chance to. If you have found somebody in that gap, amazing. That's not really conducive to finding a relationship because everyone was absolutely insane for like a month. And then I've gone into the second lockdown and it's been even harder because it's been like, well, hang on, I'm still here. It must be me.
Starting point is 00:11:32 I'm the problem. I can't find anyone. and from the outside, as somebody from the outside who is not in your head, I cannot express enough how clearly it's not anyone's fault if they are, it's never your fault if you're single because it's not a fault thing. It just means that it just hasn't happened at the time, but especially now. Like, if you've managed to find a relationship since March, you're not only the exception to the rule, you're possibly a deity or a god.
Starting point is 00:12:01 I don't understand how you've managed to do that. It's almost, I would say impossible, because it's already very difficult when you're single. It's already very difficult to find somebody that you gel with. It's absolutely not impossible. It's very likely that you will. But it involves a process. It involves like something to happen for that to occur. All of the things that would need to happen you can't do without being illegal.
Starting point is 00:12:25 So I just, I know it sounds really obvious, but it seems to not be obvious because I've got too many friends of mine being like, yeah but Stevie, like I know there's a lockdown but I spoke to him for eight weeks on WhatsApp and then when in August we did hang out like he just, he couldn't look at me and he actually, we had no chemistry and it was awful and that's happened again this time as well and I'd be like, yes, because we're still in
Starting point is 00:12:48 a lockdown situation. You would have gone on a date with this person way sooner and you wouldn't have waited eight weeks of messaging before you went on this that's actually that's too much pressure for anybody. Anyway, that's just my opening monologue You've built up this character in your head, which is what happens when you meet someone digitally rather than in person. So when you meet them, you're always having to then do a readjustment of who you thought they were versus what you... I've got wier arms that I thought.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Than I imagined for myself. And like, oh, they weren't joking all those times. I assumed it was a joke once I went to meet a boy. And I said... He said we were going to do an activity. or something. It wasn't. We just went to a bar.
Starting point is 00:13:35 And it's boring as I bellowed at him. And I was like, oh, we're meeting this time, whatever. And he said, oh, you better get your skates on. So I said, oh, cool. Are we going roller skating as the activity? Then he said, what? No. And I was like, yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Obviously, I'm just making a pithy comment, if you will. And then he was like, oh, ha, ha, I guess you're pretty funny. And I was like, oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, no. So you've been sort of wading through attempting to be digitally humorous with people. Listen, you're not meeting somebody at their best. You wouldn't meet one of your friends right now and be like, oh, yeah, they're absolutely looking fantastic.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Like, they are thriving. They're mentally stable. Mentally stable at their best, the creatively fulfilled, like, wow, look at my friend go. So there's no, you know, so you're not going to meet people that you're hoping. open to bang and hang with and be like, oh yeah, they, that's, they're fantastic. You'll be like, they're all seem absolutely mad. And you'll be like, yeah, fair enough. Everybody's crazy at the moment. Absolutely bananas. And it's impossible as well. This all feels very depressing, but there are things that you can do. But it's very difficult to remove this sort of feeling that we always have when,
Starting point is 00:14:53 when you're single and you want a relationship where it's a constant like active, you're like actively looking, you're actively single. You're like, that. unfortunately one of the worst parts is you are on a pause now. So anything that happens, so you know, stay on dating apps if you want to, message people, do flirt and stuff,
Starting point is 00:15:13 but you have to do it with sort of no intention with the idea being that like, anything you get is like a free shot basically. Like this is a paused, the pause button has been placed on your love life right now. So if you do manage to like connect with someone on Hinge or someone on bumble doesn't sound like an absolute mad person. The thing that has helped a lot of my friends
Starting point is 00:15:35 has been to take that to a Zoom quicker than you'd want to. No one wants to do Zooms anymore, we all hate them. However, you need to be seeing that person, be talking to that person, especially now we're in like a smaller lockdown. At the time of recording this, we are,
Starting point is 00:15:52 the messaging is going to be like, you say, Tess, you can't get the judge of the tone right. Are they being wittily sarcastic? Are they being sort of Oscar Wildean in their friend? No, they just can't, they can't communicate and they're mad. So you need to be able to see if they're mad quite early on to know if then like you can have some sort of fun sort of edging situation where you're both like zooming and what's uping all the time. What's edging? Oh my God. Edging is when you like, okay, well, I can't believe I have to describe this. Do you want to Google it? No, I don't. What is it? It's a
Starting point is 00:16:27 whanking reference to when you wank, then you don't come. But it's actually used as a common term now to mean like edging. So it's like when you get to a certain thing and then you just don't. So like with the messaging on WhatsApp, people say that the kind of government have been like edging on lockdown. Because they've been like maybe all tier three, Otey, four would, and then they actually did it. I love how Tess is now Googling it because she doesn't believe me. With the whole like messaging on WhatsApp constantly, but never actually knowing if you're going to, if you actually get on, that's, different from messaging than having a video thing, then seeing you actually do get on, then when the date happens, you've got to keep in mind that this might not be what you thought
Starting point is 00:17:07 it was, but at least you'll have a better idea because you've had a video date. So video dates can be like way better and they are so much from from the experience of my friends, apparently. And what do we know about video dates? What do you know about all dating is that when we first meet somebody in real life or on digital, we are on different. digital. On the net. Clearly, we set a time frame of the other places that you have to be. Obviously, it's much, much harder to make up places to go in lockdown. But if you're meeting at seven, be like, oh, great, I have to do a XYZ at 8. So if you begin the date and you're like, oh, oh, you bad, you aren't like, how will I ever end this experience?
Starting point is 00:17:48 How I've had a Zoom call while I'm in my house? The absolute worst. But it is bad being on, are you being sarcastic? No. I'm being quite serious. That makes me feel sick. Because at least when you're there, you can be like, get your phone and be like, oh, my friend's locked out. I have to leave. And now you're like, oh, I have to walk into the kitchen. Exactly. There's nothing. There's nothing. You're just like signaling your friends, like, off camera being like, start fire. Some examples of excuses. I'm doing a Netflix watching thing with some mates at eight. Lovely. I've got a Zoom party to get to another one. My dinner's going to be ready. Yes. Very good. I'll add, I'm playing poker.
Starting point is 00:18:27 in a Texas Holdham game. I am a professional poker player. Great. Option number two. I have a lot of business abroad and I have to do a call with a different time zone, which is why it's so late at night. Please don't ask me which time zone because I can't tell you. Which one or what business is. No, there's loads of things you can make up.
Starting point is 00:18:56 just make a nice, clear, reasonable lie about where you are. Me and my housemates are making a lasagna, and it's my turn to make it. Again, doesn't sound great. I wouldn't date you. All right. Yeah, take that, mate. Just because I'm making lasagna for my housemates. Yeah, it's not like a bitch.
Starting point is 00:19:16 No, I know, but like get a bit of, you know, keep the mystery alive, a bit of something, something. Okay, I'm making something for my friends, but I'm not going to tell you. Nice. Hello. Now I fancy you. I think it's extremely easy when you're locked in your house, just always looking at other people's lives and the nice marriages and their nice babies
Starting point is 00:19:36 and all the lovely things and thinking, oh, I'm so, so far behind that. If that's a thing that I want, being like, I haven't even met the person yet, let alone decided we're going to have babies and get married and stuff. And I think refer back to our don't compare yourself episode. everybody is doing their thing just at their own pace in their own time.
Starting point is 00:19:59 And an American lady I met once who did her improv class, talked about how she'd had a total meltdown at a wedding and was like, I'm too old, forget it. And she was 35, I think, at the time. And her friend, well, she just sort of cried, her friend just kept saying, you have all the time in the world. And then she was like, you have all. You have all the time in the world. And I don't know, it really stuck with me of being like, yes, you have all the time in the world.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Oh, I was going to say I'd kick her, but okay. I did, well, I mean, I'm sure I'd kick. After she kicked, she did, I think, kicked the friend initially who then just kept saying, you have all the time in the world until you're like, oh, okay, yeah, I have all the time in the world. A woman just lived to be 112. It feels like everything is running through your fingers and you haven't got, and you have to do it now, But it's like you have all the time in the world. Like don't waste the time that you have freaking out that you haven't done the things
Starting point is 00:21:00 or freaking out about some part in the future. Like just be like it just it's such an impossibly hard thing to do. But once you accept that you have all the time in the world, you can be like, oh yeah, okay, it's all right. And I will let life happen rather than it can't. These things can't happen to you if you're so wrapped up in your fear that it's never going to happen. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:24 And also as well, when you're on social media looking at like, oh, look, they're locked at lockdown with their boyfriends, with their girlfriends, with their partners. There is a negative side to that. Like, it's people's relationships often are becoming strained and stuff during this like lockdown period. They are, craving alone time. People are breaking up, left, right and centre. People are breaking up, they are breaking up left right and centre. It's very sad. But also good because maybe that they need to be alone, you know?
Starting point is 00:21:48 They need to enjoy oneliness. out of this bad situation is going to grow a new person and they're going to, you know, so if you are also going through a breakup during this, you're also not alone. And this is a difficult but right thing to be happening. It's sort of like, this is like the ultimate is a big challenge as to how you can approach it and to see it with curiosity rather than like judgment to be like, how will I approach this? As a single person who wants a relationship who absolutely like can't do the things that I
Starting point is 00:22:18 would like to do, what are ways around it? How can I? Yes, getting your other single pals and not calling it single night, but getting a like, everybody invite, you know, you everybody invite their single friends to this, you know, whatever, Zoom quiz, Zoom, Hangout, Zoom, whatever. To be like, okay, we're taking this seriously now and we're all bringing, you know, bringing people, I once went to a single Safari supper in which two rival teams of girls competed for the attention of some lads. excellent night. Great night. Not successful for me. A boy called Rolo went home with someone else. But, um, you know, the, and yeah. Okay. I think it was Rolo. And I'm open to the idea that me and calling him Rolo is part of the reason he left with somebody else. Understood. His name was like Jonathan. Jonathan. And he was like, I don't want to stand with that weird girl anymore.
Starting point is 00:23:12 I remember going into this night being like, this is what, so lame, why are we doing this? Why are we having this? But actually it was such a fun evening because everyone's like, oh, yeah, we're all here. And all of the boring friends who are in couples who are like, oh, we have to go home because of the puppy or we've got to go and buy cushions from home base tomorrow. They're not there. It's just all the single people who are like, oh, we're the best ones. We're the fun group. Those singles nights and stuff are so terrifying I found to actually go.
Starting point is 00:23:42 But now they're virtual. So there are loads of like virtual singles nights. and I wish there was another word for it, but events, dating events that you can do via like Zoom or Skype or whatever, have a go at like one of them because it's why it would, the very, very worst,
Starting point is 00:24:01 it will be like an amusing anecdote that you never have, like, that you can tell people. To a hot date in the future sometime. You get to tell your funny story. And also a classic, you know, get a hobby, you will meet people. That is how.
Starting point is 00:24:15 So if there are, of course, loads of virtual. classes, like do a class. Also then as well, that kind of does that thing where it gives you some structure, it gives you something at the very, very least, if there's no one fit there, then you're still doing something nice for yourself. So that's the idea of like, it's on pause, but if you do meet someone, how lovely. But like focusing on yourself. And they always say that. It's very, very tiring and very tiresome. But this is the actual time now to go, okay, well, maybe in last lockdown, it didn't work. You felt really down. Well, then maybe it's something to change. tactic. And maybe it is time to maybe be one of those people who is like, okay, fine, what am I going to
Starting point is 00:24:51 do then? Okay, I'll, I'll learn how to, to, I'll maybe start going for a run. Maybe I'll start, like to try and just have something that you can feel like you are progressing, that you are achieving to make up for the fact that you feel like you're not achieving a relationship status that, you know, is so difficult to get right now. Other thing on to say is that very, very, very important that you find yourself a single friend in a similar situation that you can like talk to. They're your person to at three in the morning when you're like, I'm actually real sad, that you can like boost each other. Because I don't know, often I will go, if I'm feeling a certain way, I'll go in like a Google
Starting point is 00:25:30 Wikipedia whole about like, the science of love. And actually the reasons in which the brain is connecting. And you can like send each other like fun stuff like that. You can like motivate you to each other. Send news to which you can like go to classes together. so you're not on your own, like, feeling like you're not the only single person in your whole group of friends, because I know the amount of people that say that say that to me and be like, oh, I know nobody else is single. And then you're like, well, apart from that person, they're like, well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Like, right, so you don't. Obviously them. Like, yes. So gang up with that person. Yeah. Also, as well, post thirst traps. And that sounds, it's very unlike me to say that because I'm always like terrified of that sort of just absolutely do it. dress up in like a great, your favorite outfit.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Take a photo where your ass looks great. Post on Instagram. Like genuinely, lean into it. Everyone's, it will make you, it will boost you. Like, now it's not the time to worry about like, oh, but do I need reassurance for social media? Who gives a shit? Yes, you do. Yes, you do.
Starting point is 00:26:32 And now utilize those tools. This is a thirst trap now. And be like, oh, I respect this thirst trap. You look banging. Yes. And be like, oh, I shouldn't need it. Yes, well, you do. So sorry about that. And I think exactly what you're saying, Steve, is that like take this time to focus on how you currently feel like you are a half waiting
Starting point is 00:26:52 for another half and that your whole focus is being like, how can I fill this half? Where can I find the half? Where can I get this other person from? But really it's about being like, oh, hey, I'm not a half. I'm a whole. I'm a whole person. I'm a whole circle here. And that's not to say that another person can't come join in and make two circles. But now you're two circles, rather than being one circle together. Because when you... You're like a Venn diagram. Yeah, you're exactly.
Starting point is 00:27:16 You're a Venn diagram that have a little, lovely little segment in the middle that's the two of you. But if you allow yourself to be just a half to someone else's half, then when they go away, which they inevitably will, you're left being like, but I'm just a half again. You've got to make yourself that whole person. So someone is an addition to your life and you are an addition to their life rather than being like, they are my life.
Starting point is 00:27:37 This is my whole thing. I, and I'm absolutely the queen of them having a meltdown at weddings. I keep them very quiet, but I mean, I'm really good at finding a meadow to lie face down in. But something I, it's very easy, you know, when you, and I know the weddings have been illegal this year, but it's very easy to watch your friends, you know, if you've been to a lot of wedding, something everybody talks about is like marrying their, about marriage being hard. And it's very easy if you are a single person being like, how hard can it be? you live with someone you fancy and then you have sex all the time and now I have to come to your wedding and clap you. Whereas really it's a very quick discovery that actually there is a reason they talk about a relationship being something that you work at and something that's hard and the reason that relationships are really, really struggling under lockdown is it's not just living with someone that you fancy and having sex all the time wearing a white shirt. Like they are real things in which you have to support another human being and be there for that.
Starting point is 00:28:38 their best and worst sides and like, you know, it's really, really easy. You know, there is a reason that like the movies end at the wedding or the movie ends are being like, and they lived happily ever after. We don't get to see people working their way through a relationship because actually a relationship is a difficult thing. So don't allow yourself to be totally, totally sort of starstruck by what they are and jealous of other, you know, jealous of them that they're in their own way difficult. You know, I saw a tweet that was like, I don't want a boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:29:05 I want an assistant who hugs me at night. absolutely yeah yeah like let's be really really clear with yourselves about what it is you actually want and really when you imagine being like oh i don't want to be single anymore i imagine being a relationship what is it you're imagining and is it just a warm body in which case that's maybe something you can find is it that you just need someone to take care of you like and then be like okay is this therefore something i need to fix in me rather than going around looking or can you just pay an assistant who hugs you at night is that an option set up a bubble with a professional bubble assistant.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Yeah. That's what you need. I think there's money to be made in people who'll hug you at night. Oh, like hugely. Absolutely. That's why I thought escort agencies were for a long time.
Starting point is 00:29:45 As someone who hugged. I think that is the thing, though. I do think escorts are necessarily sex. They can just be... Did you think they were just hugging? Overwhelmingly, it's for sex. Do you know what I mean? Like, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Like, it's not advertisers like, they can come to your party with you as your date. It's the advertisers like, will have sex. I've been burned by that before. Okay, okay, okay. Hang in there and you are great. And I think, you know, if I hope,
Starting point is 00:30:14 I mean, this validation will feel particularly impersonal since it doesn't have your name at the start, but please know that you are great, everybody listening. It's not you. It's the pandemic. It's not you. It's literally the pandemic. And this two shall pass.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Also, just imagine how horny everyone's going to be when this passes. It's going to be like a free-for-all. So just halt still. We're heading in hard into a real roaring 20s scenario, which was born out of, you know, a plague and a war and all of this sort of stuff. And so we are heading, we're hurtling that. And ain't nobody going to be wanting to be in a couple for that shit. You're going to have the people who've broken up from long-term relationships.
Starting point is 00:30:52 They'll be broken. Sweep them up. Get in and get there. You're going to have divorces. Whatever age you are. You're going to have the pick of the litter. It's going to be. Or be there is good times on the horizon.
Starting point is 00:31:04 So just hang in there and just trust that you have all the time in the world. Like, just believe in that. You are okay and you have time and you don't have to make crazy choices right now or panic that this is it. This is, whatever happens now is it, you know? I hope that was helpful. I hope that was motivating. Go back.
Starting point is 00:31:21 We've got quite a few episodes. We've got a really, we've got a lot of like how to be single and like dating and like compare yourself and jealousy that we recorded maybe not in lockdown, but there will be helpful things in there. So go back if you need additional pets. because if we didn't cover something that is specific to you, it's very hard at the moment and we're all doing our best and just keep on taking it a day at a time and just keep,
Starting point is 00:31:45 all we can do is try and all we can do is wake up every day and try and make ourselves feel the best that we can feel. That's all we can do. And anything, whatever you've achieved is it and don't beat yourself up because that's our friend you're beating up. So you stop that. That's our valued listener. We'll lose a download.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Don't beat up any of our listeners. Thank you very much. We're not having that shit. Do tweet us or email us if you have ideas for future episodes that you want to do. It might be a while till we can do another like how to not panic during lockdown. How to not panic when we're single. So we do appreciate your emails, but we probably can't do one like that for a bit. But like any others, send it through. Apologies if we don't reply, but we do read every single one. I try and reply as much as possible, but I've got a bit of stuff on.
Starting point is 00:32:31 at Nobody Panicpod. Got pandemic on. At Nobody Panicpod on Twitter. Nobody Panicpodcast.gum.com to write in. At Tessa Coates is my Twitter if you want to hang out. At We Pray Love. I'm so sorry. I see your Instagram messages once a month when I remember that there's a button there.
Starting point is 00:32:49 And then I'm so sorry I'm not very good at it. And I, so if you're waiting on a reply, I will get round to it. I'm sorry there's a delay. Just two people who just don't like reply. I can't reply to email. I don't reply to Instagram messages. It's very hard. And I'm at Stiviam, BS as a 5 on Instagram and Twitter.
Starting point is 00:33:06 And hang in there, champ, and see you next week. Yeah, hang in there and you are brilliant, just as you are. Bye.

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