Nobody Panic - How to Cope with Lockdown Easing

Episode Date: August 4, 2020

Finding the lockdown ease incredibly stressful? Stevie and Tessa are too. And with the rules continually changing, and friends acting in all different sorts of ways (some aren’t comfortable in groups yet, some went to illegal raves) how do you navigate it without exploding? This week we look at how to destress and stick to your guns - whether your guns are isolation or holidaying in Spain. NB the rules we mention are right at the time of recording, but check the government website for the most recent guidelines for your areaRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true, Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Nobody panicked. How are you doing in lockdown when the lockdown is easing? Tessa. Thank you, Stevie. Is it lockdown? Is it lock up? Are we allowed to go out? What's the rules? Nobody knows what's going on in this country. I'm Tessa, that's Stevie. And this episode is about coping with lockdown easing

because, look, nobody knows what they're supposed to be doing. And we're all seeing some people do very much doing their own thing. Which is fine. Some people not living their houses. And I think we're, I mean, we'll get, we'll get into the psychology. But we did like, we did know how to cope when when we were going into it. And that was, that was, I found very helpful in useful, where we both started off. I remember in those heady months of March being like, hello. And we were so tense. We were recorded in the stairwell of a hotel in Glasgow. You were so echoing. And now, I remember halfway through lockdown, I was like, I have a. distinctly, and this is just my own experience and very, probably in the minority, but I was

very much like, I feel like I'm going to lose my mind when this starts off again. It was almost like very easy at the start. I was like, stay at home. You're like, yeah, okay, I understand that information. And then it's been very like dribs and drabs. Now you don't know what to understand and what not to get and all of that. So now I'm just, I'm just permanently terrified that I'm doing the wrong thing all the time. Yeah. Like when it, at least when it, when we went into like that, I mean, it was completely surreal and mad and nobody knew what to, but at least everybody was in the same situation. situation. Yes. Whereas now that it's a sort of every man with themselves free for all,

suddenly you've got this, suddenly like, FOMO is back on the cards and you're like, is everyone else doing things? Should I be doing things? You've hit a nail on the head. I think lockdown worked for me so well was because I didn't have FOMO because I was like, yeah, everyone else is, yeah, that's so true. It was really genuinely, I think, quite good for people to be, and I think, some people, but I truly think the general universal feeling is people being like, this is horrendous, but not, has had a weird sort of calming effect on your stress level and your mental health, of your, not of obviously it was extremely stressful and awful the pandemic, but on your normal day-to-day life that you were stressed out about,

there was an element of like, huh, stepping back has actually been all right, you know? Yes, yeah. I mean, I do know somebody who's got kids and that's not the experience. No, but I imagine, like, stepping back from being like, is my kid excelling in the violin, you know, have we got to get to another birthday party? Have we got to do X, Y and Z? You know, I'm not saying it was easy or pleasant to have that time, but I think the aspect of like, hey, nobody can be having a fun time or a better holiday or anything. Yeah, we're all very much like, this is shit and everyone's like, this is shit. And everyone's like, is shit for you? Shit. And now, who knows. Who knows? I don't know how I feel. I know, it's absolutely chaos. But yeah, we'll get into it. But before we sort of get into that vibe,

we want to admin before, don't we? Oh, sorry, there's a bit of admin, guys. A bit of housekeeping. A bit of housekeeping. Welcome to a bit of housekeeping. It's called, we've both got a podcast we'd like you to listen to. Not this one. I mean, do.

Continue. Don't stop listening now. Do please keep listening. But, shall I go first? Yes, please. I've invented something. Sell it to me. Sell it to me.

Okay. I've invented something. absolutely mad, Stevie. Yes, well, that sounds good. Look, I've got no Edinburgh show this year and there's no Olympics and I was like, combine those two things. And what I'm going to make is a podcast that is live coverage of the 1908 London Olympics. Huge. Yeah. So it's basically, they're all dead, obviously. It was 112 years ago. But they didn't get a chance to have an interview with Claire Boulding. So I'm giving it to them. That sounds great. I'll be listening. It's about a very stupid time in history and yeah have a have a nice listen oh my god yeah where can we listen

wherever you can find your podcast it's hosted on a cast what's it called i don't know for sure but it's called we're gonna have to commit to it now what do you think about being called 1908 exclamation mark live coverage of the london olympic game i think with an idea like this you've you've got to you've got to do what it says on the tin say what it is yeah say what it is um and yeah it's genuinely that great But Stevie's one is a proper professional outfit. Stevie, tell us about your podcast. That's very kind.

I have a podcast with my sister, Gina Martin. And Gina is a activist and loves Instagram and loves Twitter and uses them very, very well. And I resist. Anyone who listens to this podcast will know that. I just, I'm distrust to social media. I don't like what it makes me do. So basically, she loves it. I hate it.

And then we interview interesting people who have an interesting relationship with social media. Like this week, it's Ed Balls, who from Ed Ball's Day. The Ed Boles? Ed Wood Boles, yeah. And he talks about how he, how he didn't realize he could delete. Basically, he tweeted his own name in 2011. Famously.

And it became Ed Ball's Day. And he still celebrates it to this day. But he told us that he didn't realize he could delete the tweet until two years after. So you thought whatever you tweeted, that was it. That was it. So he was like, well, I've tweeted my own name. Oh, well. I'm sure that's fine.

And I was like, why is, what are all these numbers? Oh, people are liking it. Okay, I guess that's weird. Fine. Didn't think anything of it. And then his PR person was just like, I think, well, you can't delete it now, but it would have been good. And then, but his PR person didn't know you could delete it either.

Oh, what a time. What a time. Anyway, so that's fun. We've also got lots of different types of people. We get people to talk about their first, well, Gina dredges up their first ever, like, tweets. Then we talk about that. And then we talk about their worst ever tweets. So the tweet that, we don't decide that.

They bring one that they're really embarrassed about or they really regret. He picked that one. He picked Ed Balls. I was like, no, that's your best one. That's obviously the best one. Yeah. And then you pick your one that you're most proud of. The episode is based around that.

And so we've got, yeah, Mish Kumar on it. James Acaster, who's come off Twitter, so he talks about Mel Wang, Rosemusoffeo, Megan Crabb, body posy panda. She was excellent. Oh, wonderful. She's very good. Yeah. When I come on, I would like to talk about, I've just gone viral this week.

Do you believe you see me? I saw that happening because I had quite a well-performing tweet. And I was like, well, someone's doing very well. And then looked at Tessus, and she had like 60,000 lives. It was like, right, it was viral. And then it was hella viral. I did see your well-performing. It was well-performing.

It was well-performing. It was well-performing. And I thought, oh, bloody hell, well done, Stevie. And then I thought, I'll do all. Hold's my beer. Obviously not. Nobody knows. Because immediately before this tweet that went viral, this viral, I've got 80,000 likes.

And immediately before it, I did one that said, my best dreams at the moment about my clothes fitting. So that three likes. Three. 20 minutes later, I did my next one. Put my phone down for a while. I came back. I was like, oh.

no oh no well look yeah obviously season two you'll be involved please right let's dive right in i think our podcasts can be our adult things because we're both working very hard at them and we're being very grown up about it they're very ad they are actually two adult yeah very much so i'd like to kick off the how to cope with the lockdown easing with a little word from our sponsors the government because in a way aren't they everyone's sponsors so of course also this is like the first time i've engaged with the government advice since maybe April, May, when I was like, I don't believe anything they're saying. And look, that's my political view.

It's not the political view of the podcast. It is the political view of the podcast. Okay, it is. Okay, so the government guidelines are, of course, the slogan, stay alert, control the virus, safe lives, but the actual main bullet points, and obviously you can go into depth with lots of different areas, but the main things where everybody are.

Stay at home as much as possible. Delightfully vague. Work from home if you can. Okay. Who's to say for account or you can't? Limit contact with other people. To how much? Keep your distance from people, not in your household,

two metres apart where possible. But of course, obviously that doesn't apply to the north of England because now they've changed that again. And also it kind of has changed for loads of different parts of England. Essentially, there's not really one rule for everything and it will have probably changed even while you're listening to this, literally right now. So I guess you just have to keep looking at the government rules for how many

households should be mixing where and indoors and why. Wash your hands regularly. A classic. Do not leave home if you or anyone in your household has symptoms. And then you can read more about what you can and cannot do. And that's like a very long thing that I'm not going to go into. But they... Like what? What's on the can and cannot do list? Okay, here she goes. The UK government is continuing to ease restrictions in a manner that is safe. In recent weeks, a wide range of sectors have been able to restart in line with COVID-19

and secure guidelines, and we've eased the restrictions on social contact, enabling people to meet in groups of two households in any location, or as previous, in a group of any six people outdoors. I don't understand that, but fine. I actually do, it is a thing. So six people can meet outdoors now, who are not all in the same household?

Yes, but two households can meet indoors now. From the 24th of July, in order to help contain the spread of the virus, as we open up more premises, face coverings now required in shops and supermarkets, in addition to public transport where they were already required and you're strongly encouraged to wear face masks in other enclosed public spaces where there are people

that do not normally meet. And then I'm not joking, then it is literally like, so then I'm just like, look, I'm just doing a big old scroll and I'm going to stop on. 9.3, what rules are you to follow if I'm visiting the UK? That's sort of irrelevant to schools and childcare. And a lot of the answers are like, you know, like the government is committed to doing everything possible

to allow all children to go back to school safely. without actually kind of like saying because obviously what's happened now I know somebody who's been asked to restart work who's very much on the list of um shield a shield we've very much thrown her in a lead box

won't allow her from underneath the stairs but then on uh last week she was told okay you can come in on Monday and she worked in a nursery this person was like oh do you have like are wearing masks they're like no it'll scare the children and like okay well how can we social distance because these children are like 18 months or over well we can't and then it's like well I can't come into work and then they have been if I may say the

technical term is shitty and a lawyer friend has had to like look into it and like okay so they could take you to court um if they dismiss you sorry if they could dismiss you but if they did that then you could take them to court and you will win so you could get a lot of money from them but like who wants to do like that's insane so we are now in we were very much now moving into a sphere or already in a sphere of you are being we're sort of left to our you're you're sort of left to our you left now to the mercy of your employer, hopefully they are nice and will understand. But if they don't, then you kind of are left on your own a little bit. And look, that's just like the work thing. Friends thing. Like there's nothing, I mean, there is like, oh my God, it was hard enough

in lockdown. I have a friend that went to the illegal raving Clapham. Oh, wow. How was that? She had a great time. And then the next day we were supposed to hang out. It was my first, but with my first socially distanced park like you come to me because she was using the tube and this was in like June I think it was in early June and I'm not

at that point I wasn't using the tube I wasn't kind of doing anything really and I'll meet you two meters away we'll bring our own personal snacks and we will have a nice picnic a personal distance picnic anyway she was like I'm actually really hung over

and I can't make it I was like that is absolutely perfect I haven't seen anyone since fucking March and my first meeting Yeah, but now that this is easing, I found it, to bring it back to what we're talking about, I found it very, very stressful, especially the last few months about saying things like, oh, I actually don't really feel comfortable kind of going to that. And then because by definition, by default, I'm then saying that they're wrong for doing it,

but I'm not. And then they go, oh, you still not, the amount of times I've had like, are you still not using public transport? Oh, why are you using the tube? Are you still in lockdown? Why are you still in lockdown? And they're not being mean. They're genuinely asking, but you can't help but feel. stupid and insane. So yeah, I think it's, that's obviously very specific to me, but like I feel

very, very stressed all the time now. Like I don't know what to do ever. Yes. Well, we're going to talk about what to do. But first I want to say like, no worries. But first I want to say like, it's so easy to, as we all are, to literally turn on each other and not to be, not to turn this podcast into a, you know, an anti-government thing until we, what were you going to say? Eat the rich. Yeah, but do eat the rich No, to go into a terrible anti-the-government thing until we all get shut down But that is a genuine strategy from the government

To make things purposefully so unclear That nobody knows And everybody therefore can only turn on each other In this like, are you still doing lockdown? You're like, are you not doing it? Oh, you're not supposed to be doing lockdown. So anyone who's like, oh no, I think the government are doing the best. Like, listen, they can be real human people trying their best and they can also have actively made the

choice to make these rules purposefully difficult. They've actively shut the border to, you know, they made it difficult going to Spain so that they can try and keep everyone here for the, you know, they are literally trying to do these things to like protect the economy and to take the, they want to restart the economy and take the blame off themselves by then putting it on us and we are going to turn on each other. So number one, one, do not, number one, pick it the government. Number two, do not turn on each other. Actually, when I heard all these things, it's very much confusion inwards of like, am I hallucinating? Have I, am I, I had this week, like, I can't remember what week it was, but I think it was in June sometime, right? I generally

was like, I've made it up. I think, I actually feel like I'm not real, because I don't understand. And it was when, because now masks are, everyone has to wear them in shops. But just before then, I was obviously wearing a mask in shops. But I was the, the, only one in my area of London, for some reason, no one really gives shit. So I got loads of people, but not loads, but like three or four times where I went to the co-op, people like taking the piss out of me because I'm not going close to them. It was like, what was supposed to? And then I'd get really angry, but I'd feel like, oh my God, I'm crazy. So I did have a little time of being like, oh, I'm absolutely insane and everyone else is normal. And I'm living in this like fairytale land.

And then I look at the government guidelines. And I actually don't know either way. I feel like it's possible that they are just quite incompetent. They dealt with it very badly. And now they're going vague to save their own butts, definitely. But the jury's still out for me on whether it's like a targeted thing to make us turn on ourselves. I don't know. It's not, I mean, I'm not saying they're trying to incite rioting.

I'm saying that like they are in the saving of their own butts. They're saying like, it's you guys. I guess it's you guys who just couldn't follow them. the rules. Didn't know what you were doing, I guess. Yeah. And we've never had the right numbers as well. I read this recently. Like, we've never actually been told the correct number of deaths. There's always a lag as well. So this thing about like, when, so when my friend went to the illegal rave, she was like, well, the R-A is down so much. It's like, the R-A is two weeks old. We don't know what the R-R-Aid is now. Like, what do you mean? And, and also,

the testing capability of this country is not great. So how do you know? Like, I know that sounds very over to... Absolutely. Like, you know, they release that like Nando's chart of like red, green, orange of like where we were at and be like, we can ease it when we get to this colour and, and we are easing, but we are not at that colour. And so, you know, none of their rules have made any sense. Like, nothing's coming out. So I think the thing to take away is like, number one, you are not going crazy. And number two, whatever you are doing or whatever you are deciding is best for you is best for you. And you don't have to, you can make this. You can make this that's not like, oh my God, but they're doing this.

It's nothing to do with anybody else. It's like, what do you feel safe doing? What do you feel comfortable doing? That is the right. That's the path. And it does not matter anyone else is. We're very much not saying as well. And I want to make it very clear that I'm not, I think best for you also includes like

if you are seeing people, if you are, which I think like there is literally, there are guidelines and it says about households and it says about the amount of people that can meet apart. So if you're meeting six people in a park, like, fine. But then I think the thing is, is that, what I would say is when somebody you know isn't doing that, it's really unhelpful to go, so why aren't you doing that? I think we all know why they're not doing that.

So you don't have to ask them why they didn't want to take the tube, why they didn't want to go to your birthday party. Because what's the answer that you're looking for? Because you know what it is. It's that they feel uncomfortable. But you almost want them to say that. So then you can be like, actually, that's not true. And it's not fair to do that with the amount of,

you know, of course, the government guidelines, but people, it also fully depends on your political, persuasion whether you follow those or not. I think politics aside, it's just like, what's your feeling on the science? What's your feeling on safety? How ill are you personally? Do you have small children at home? Do you have elderly parents?

Like, what is your current safety situation? You know, and also this whole thing needs to come with enormous amount of respect for other people and absolutely no shade. That would be my guvallant strapline if I was the prime minister. It would just be called, stay safe, no shade. Limits the shade. Limits the shade. To a certain.

degree. Yeah, that's the thing. I'd say no shade and everyone would be like, what does that mean? It's so vague. No shade means, it means. No side eye. No side eye. It means are people staying at home still and you think they're being a square?

No shade. They're doing their own thing. Are people going to an illegal rave? No shade. They're doing their own thing. Like, no shade on anybody else. You don't know what anyone's situation is. You don't know what people have been through.

You don't know how and why and what is going on with everybody. no shade. I will quietly judge you if you don't wear a mask on public transport or in the shops. I will quietly judge you. But that's okay because breaking the rules, shade. See, look, difficult to make guidelines, isn't it? See, it's hard to, listen, it's hard to make guidelines. Do you know what they wanted to call the, and I know this from a source that will remain

normless? They wanted, they've called it like the big summer six or this eat out to head. help out. Again, a staggering thing to do. Oh my God, it's so funny. I can't believe they went with that. But in their sort of restart the economy, let's have a big summer. They initially wanted to call it a summer of consumption. Consumption. Oh my God. Was a respiratory disease that people died from in the 19th century. That is absolutely delicious. Oh my God, I love that so much. That was the government's guideline, a summer of consumption. A staggering. But there's what I'm saying is like don't so yes guidelines are very hard a shade for rule breakers no shade for

everybody else and until the government insists what the rules are then like it just has to be everyone doing you have to just you know be like don't feel crazy don't feel that you are doing it wrong if the things are open and you feel safe and but also like going to like there's a restaurant we walk I walk down my street here with my friend with my friend cat everyone's cat she left me to live with her boyfriend but she came to stay so that's nice me and cat walk down the street and we were like, okay, if we place a restaurant that is, or a bar that's like open, completely outside and is, we are being served by the owner who looks thrilled to see people, as opposed to like a teenager on minimum wage in like a full Avengers and Ironman mask who like doesn't want to be there, then we'll go in. And then this like wonderful lady with a tapas restaurant that she'd like put all these chairs outside.

Everyone was so distant from each other. She took your temperature. The menu was on a little like QR code thing. So like she had everything set up. we were like, great, we feel good to support you. She looks thrilled to have people, like, great. But again, like, but going to, you know, somewhere where the staff look unhappy, where it doesn't feel like, you're like, what's this, is this worth this jug of margarita

to be in this environment that, you know, somebody's being made to bring me something while wearing all this stuff. And so I think it's, yeah, it's just about you, you find your path and really, like, listen to your heart about, like, is this, is this necessary? Is this safe? is this good for everybody else around me. Because I think inherently when everyone's protesting and shouting like, and not us, I know this is the Americans being like,

I need a haircut. Be like, what you're saying is like, I demand that somebody else put themselves in danger to cut my hair. Like that's what that sentence is. No shade. You make a choice. My government take control. But yeah, also I think a thing is when you go to a social occasion.

So I've recently went to a, my friend has a garden and they were like oh do you want to come and sit in the garden like yes um and then of course then it was like oh it's cold let's all go in the house and there's like oh i don't want to go i don't know why i was like i don't really want to i want to stay outside where it's ventilated and there's there's there's people from three households inside but it's two households as such like malfunction like a robot what i should have done is like like of course it's like those amazing um what they called you know when it's uh people who are like life coaches give like example

responses to things. You can say in your life. It's like, okay, in one of those instances, I would have said, hey guys, I just don't feel comfortable doing this. So I'm going to leave. But in actual life, are you able to say that? No.

So what I did was I went and I stood, I sat, she's got like a spiral staircase. I was like sat on the spiral staircase like the babadook coming into a room. I was really like out of the circle and looked like a bat. I was also dressed all in black on a very summer day. Fine. But that made me feel comfortable because I was like, I'm far away from people.

And I'm not very touching anything in a fan. But I felt very, very tense. And I was like, I think there's not really any advice in that. Other than I suppose, it's like, it's, like, it's, I felt weird. And then I spoke to my sister after us. And I was like, I don't think I'm going to be able to do that again. I'm so stupid, whatever. And she's like, I wouldn't do that.

It's fine. Just like, that's okay. Just don't do it again. And like, I had a full shower when I got back and felt really like, okay, I've watched myself. It's all off me. All that coronavirus on the stairs. and very much not beating myself up about feeling uncomfortable about that and they didn't make me feel uncomfortable at all.

They would have not known at all had I not sat like a bat on the stairs. But it is, that's difficult because there's also like people being like, oh, can we hug? And you know, it would have been like, no, because they have said, oh, can we hug? But you have to be like, oh, I'm not really comfortable. Like, I think having the sentences in your head before you go to the thing. Otherwise you're already in the hug.

And so I think, I have seen people in the park and I said, well, I closed off my body. I don't mind hugging because I love hugging. But I closed off my own body and said, how are you feeling about hugging to the other person? And they were like, oh, no hugging, thank you. And I was like, no problem. And I've also seen people and been like, how do you? And they said, oh, yes, one quick hug, please.

Yeah. You know. Face it away, rather waste. Yeah. Yeah. Or this is actually very nice for anybody, because people have been doing hugging like this and I'm putting my arms out in a circle as though you're hugging the other. person. Much, much nicer everyone. Hug yourself. And then, so it's just two people hugging themselves.

And honestly, no, do it. Try it now. Go on. That it's nice. See? And honestly, and then what you get is exactly as much hug as you would like. Yes, not too much, not too little. Not to right amount of pressure. You're like, that's a lovely hug. Thank you. And also you get the sort of feeling of contact and the person, you know, it's really nice. So do try hugging yourself, everyone. My friend hugged my leg And I was like, that's fine Fine So I think it's just about

In your mind As with all of these things It's so often as about like being prepared Like mentally having the sentences ready So you know what's coming And you can As soon as you see a person Be like I'm not I'm not hugging

Should we hug ourselves? You know just already it felt weird Even though I have actually practiced that one Yeah just being ready when someone says Are we hugging being like Oh I'm not but it's so nice It's so nice to see you you know, just being ready to have all that, you know,

or to like, when they say, like, we're going to meet up today, being like, amazing, like, I'm still not hugging or I'm at a distance, like just telling people. And it's very hard to have confidence because we don't even have confidence to, I don't know, accept compliments. Absolutely. Like, we're British. We are absolutely spiraling in this new landscape of everyone having to make a decision

and then stick to it. And then it's the ultimate thing of, like, not wanting to be unpolite. You didn't want to be in somebody's house, which is literally against the government rules. And then you had to sit like a bat on the stairs. because you didn't feel confident enough to say, thank you so much, but I don't feel comfortable. I'm going to, I'm going to go.

If I could go back, what I would change was, I would have said it before. Yeah, I would have said, oh, yeah, great. Is it all right? So I'm not ridging inside, but can I stay outside? Can we do it outside? And I would have arranged to have gone earlier, so it wasn't so cold, because it got cold, obviously,

yeah, yeah. And things like that, so you can like, okay, how can I minimize the possible tense, the tense nature of this meeting? Guys, it's just like organizing a really good Orgy. Everyone just needs to know exactly where the line is and what everyone is up for. If on the list of the menu of the orgy, if we're, because I send it out, it's a really

well-organised orgy, so I send it around. And everyone confirms, like, what they're up for, what they'd be, you know, do they want, would they like to be fully, would everyone like to be fully nude? Is this an in the dark experience? Does everyone want to wear an eye mask? So they look. An eye patch. A patch.

Is this a themed orgy? Do you want to have sex with multiple people? Do you want to just watch? Are you happy for other people? to watch you. I've never been to an orgy, but I do believe that this amount of admin takes place. It must have to. Because I really think that the consent, not to use, like, consent in the same way, but that same line of, like, everybody is, knows what this evening is going to be, and everybody is up for the same thing. And then when an evening takes a turn is when everyone's

like, oh, this is not what I signed up for, whether that's, like, coming in the house when you said it was just going to be outside, or an orgy kicks off, you know. So you just need to have that same thing of like, and if everyone in the group is like, yeah, we're all hugging, we're all happy to sit inside, we all feel healthy and strong, we're all okay for this. You know, that's what you just got to. It's like, I can't expect them to know that inside I am not, if I'm not going to have some sort of element of. Absolutely.

And if you, at the orgy are like, oh, actually, guys, I, I don't want to take my clothes off. Everyone's like, no problem, but would have been cool for the heads up because we're all naked now. And we'll put our clothes back. on but would have been, you know, let's just get... In the future, take the box. In the future, let's tick the box at the time. But also have the confidence at the orgy to say, this is actually not my, this is not my bag. I'm adding that to my list. No shade. Do your best. Arrange all social gatherings like a well-organized orgy. Very good. I would back that if the government, just

just were honest for once and said it's called it for what it was, an orgy. Right. Yeah. Very, very good to take power. I've thought. about that. I don't think you should. Be fantastic at it and you know it. Anyway, right, is there anything else that we haven't covered? Have somebody who has the same... An informant. Have an informant.

I'm working for the government. You can get your source. Like, spy on them. Get your source. That's what I call getting information. So have somebody that has the same level of... Or try and find somebody who has the same level of, I don't know, caution or... Essentially, you're at the same DefCon level about coronavirus. So, like, mine's my sister. And so when I went to this social gathering at dinner thing that my friend ran,

my sister was like, oh, you've left me because she's not doing that. I was like, no, I haven't left you. I'm coming back down because I was a bit frightened and I was like a bat. I went too high on the Defcom. I went too high. I thought that we were okay. I were not. So I'm now back.

So then that was good. And also, as well, she sort of like could live vicariously through my experience, to be like, yes, that does sound quite nerve-wracking. So then she was able to, like, formulate her own thoughts as well about, like, how that would be. And, and, yeah, so when I was having my weird week where I thought I'd, like, I don't know, I thought I was going crazy. Talking to her was very helpful because she was like,

no, I'm not doing that either. And, like, and she also had her own anecdotes about people being assholes about stuff because she wanted to be. I'm not like, people trying to, like, trying to hug her against her will, like her friends were like, no, we are hugging. You know, me stupid. And she's like, stop calling me stupid. Yeah.

So, as well, like, I know it sounds like, like, don't want to bring it down or something and stuff, but also very much be aware, and this is something that oddly I would have thought I wouldn't have to say, but be aware that some people have lost people. So like, I lost my grandma from it and people can be oddly insensitive to somebody who has lost someone from it and talk about how like, oh, it's not a thing. Like it's only, it's only old people. And you're like, yeah, so when you say that to somebody, oh, it's any old people, like, they could have lost their grandma. They could lost their grandparents or their dad or their mom.

And also it's not true, is it? It's not only old people. There's a lot of vulnerable people. The point is, is that you have to just be aware that there might be a reason that person isn't using public transport or is a little bit more nervous about it, not just because of, I don't know, oh, I'm frightened of a virus. It could be that psychologically there's something else.

Of course. It's more scary to them because they saw it happen or whatever. So yeah, that was the other thing, really. That was my final point. Have a friend and people have died, so be nice essentially. Yeah, absolutely. What a wonderful closing remark that ties back in with the government's official guidelines.

No shade. No shade. Don't shade people in this like, hey, don't be silly. Come on. Like, you know, be like, it isn't silly. Like people have lost people. Don't, you know, don't dismiss it in this like, oh, you know, 5G gives it to you.

Like, no, no shade. Like, no shade. Like, no shade for. anyone you do not know what anyone is going through so or what they you know you you have absolutely no idea so do not bring your opinions to the table thank you thank you thank you and that's my final point i always end like that as the prime minister thank you thank you and then they and all the press have to go no thank you thank you and then a lovely and then everyone just ran clasped yeah because it's also a dictatorship i don't know if i made that completely clear and that's why and there we go

choose with your power. And I didn't want to say it would become a dictatorship, but you've said it yourself, as ever. You will be the one to say yourself. A benevolent dictatorship is the only way to go. And again, here we get. So join us next week for more of my ideas. If that helped you, and I'm talking about the bit before Tessa,

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you can put so what a shame and just like keep on trucking guys keep on trucking keep on trucking in look after yourself look after everybody you love um give them a distant hug and uh hug yourself near them you're you're you're doing great you're not going crazy you are doing your best and you're doing right no shade okay bye see you next week bye bye