Nobody Panic - How to Cope With Your Housemates In Isolation

Episode Date: March 31, 2020

Isolating with housemates? Want to drop-kick them out the window? Stevie and Tessa have got some advice on how to keep sane, level-headed and cool (to an extent) when you’re stuck in a flat with a bunch of people you know, sort of know, or wish you didn’t know.Recorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. it. Welcome to another dispatch from the bunker. Two separate bunkers that me and Tessa are in. But brought to you through the power of technology and Zoom. Zoom. Yeah, which apparently steal

all of your data. So look forward to reading all of my emails. I imagine just sends it to all the people who listen to our podcast. I imagine that's how it works. I was just going to say that everyone gets very upset about the stealing of data. But in many ways, I'm like, have it, you know? Whenever I watch the documentaries, it's incredibly terrifying and disturbing. You know, when you realize how much somebody else knows about your behavior. But then it's also like, but I want to read that recipe about muffins. So please accept, I will accept all cookies. Oh, that's almost like a little pun.

If you're a new listener, welcome to Nobody Panic. It's so weird if this is your opening bit. Yeah, very weird, very weird. I'd really love if you have Googled just the words, Nobody Panic. So stressed. Well, we're here to calm you. That is the point of the whole podcast anyway, but especially now during what every email tells me to be unprecedented slash difficult times. Truly, and truly they are. Stevie, how are you doing in these unprecedented and difficult times? Well, I'm currently wearing an eye patch like a pirate. So I have no depth perception while I'm isolating, which means I'm walking into a lot of things. I'm very small eye infection. I'm absolutely fine. I'm so, I'm actually doing better.

and I thought I would, considering the, like, day two, I thought I was going to explode. And now I think I'm on day 11. So I'm like, I'm kind of, I guess this is my life. I die here. I die here. And this is okay. Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? Like, it definitely comes in waves.

But sometimes you're like, it's absolutely fine. The sun's shining. I'm going for my one hour compulsory government sanctioned solo run slash gentle ramble. if you are interested, I run like a dog might at things with enthusiasm followed by stopping. Oh, so you see an object and you just run towards it. Short, interested burst. I'm like, what's that? And then I run at it.

And then I'm like, oh, nothing actually. Then I just stop. And sometimes you think like, oh, this is fine, this is fine. And then you have these like crushing waves that I have on more than one occasion sent me fully to the floor. where I'm like, oh my, oh my God. But then they pass and then back to being like, this is fine. So I guess that's just everyone's new normal is the crushing highs and loads of coronavirus. 100%.

Very much made worse by whenever I see a bad news item. So I haven't stopped reading the news, but I've started only watching the news. Like on TV, the cellophore news. like, fine, you can tell me all the things rather than seeing everyone's hot takes because I just don't, I don't need hot takes really anymore. I've been doing a workout at home. I can last 10 minutes because the amount of space in the flat, if you go on my Instagram, my boyfriend videoed me doing what, what I didn't realize I was being filmed. It's just my little bottom like jumping up and down behind the sofa.

And then my face when I come up is just like, I'm horrified at what. what's happening. I actually follow this is if anyone wants a little, I was like you can't make it to the gym and it does require weight. So maybe not for now. Your bottles of wine that you've got, that's the only thing you have in quarantine. I've drank them all. Yeah. Um, fill them with all that sand you've got hanging around your house. These are top tips. No, so it's called Keep It Cleaner, which is about clean living, which I disagree with, you know, that idea of clean living, but they do, these are Australian fitness influences and a man called Dan, who I presume, is trained and a personal trainer and Dan just stands and then the women called

Steph and Laura alternate the classes and you can get hit ones the high intensity interval training you can do weights and each one each day is different you can like pick what day you want to do so if your day is yoga and you're like absolutely fuck that you can then go do your Tuesday one on a Wednesday for example and they're like 25 minutes long and they're really really great so I've been doing that um pretty much every I do that at the gym normally. And I've been trying to replicate that with my bottles of sand. But then it just means that the whole workout,

I'm just picking up items in my house being like, no, that's not heavy enough. Or like, it's too, it's too light. This is pointless. So I can't focus on pumping iron. Right, right, right. Well, not to problem solve you out of this scenario. I want to be problem solved out of it.

Is there a world in which you check the items before the world? workout begins. Absolutely not. No, no, no, I will continue to be holding weights to be pumping weights with a kitchen roll holder and a bottle of vegan baileys. And being like, this is not the same that I will be doing. Look, this is our new life now. I think week 12, I'm going to nail it and be like, oh, it's over.

Just before we get started, if you are living in rented accommodation, and again, who knows what's happening. and every day is something different coming out of the government, but the mortgages are now on holiday. There is a mortgage holiday available three months. There is therefore no reason whatsoever that you should continue to be paying your full rent to your landlord. If you've in any way lost your job or been affected financially, if they are not paying the mortgage on the property, you do not need to be giving them money. And if their only source of income is your rent, then all they do for a living is own your bedroom.

So don't do, like, you just need to fight them on this. And so begin with a nice polite email, say the situation, say what's happened financially, and then, you know, bring out the big guns. There's absolutely no reason that you should be paying full rent if you are not able to at the moment. Yeah, there are a lot of scary screenshots on Twitter showing landlords being like, no, get out. But there are a lot more landlords that are being amazing. being really amazing. Yeah, our landlord is going to do that as well.

It's lovely. It's so nice. Yeah. If they are saying, no, you have to leave. Like, eviction is now no longer, it's legal. So you don't freak out about that. And if you are a tenant, I believe the rules are that they have to give you three months notice if they're going to kick you out. So, like, don't freak out that they're going to, the law has got your back at the moment. So, you know, don't, please don't let your rent become a crippling issue and a worry for you because Yeah, that's all.

But today, guys, we are doing how to cope with your housemates in isolation. So essentially, it was brought to my attention that not everyone is in my particular situation. And people have housemates that they have to isolate with. My God, that must be really hard. Yes, I think it's the number one concern of the day. If you're like, oh, I'm not, I'm fine. You can just interspers the word housemates with parents, lover, polygamous relationship. Maybe you're living with a priest.

I don't know. I'm saying anybody. Okay. The priest would come under the banner of lover. Okay. Oh, you mean just you're living with a priest, but he's not your... Look, what if you're a man of the church? You're living with a priest?

Okay, okay, sorry. I'll go again. Parents, lovers, normal housemates. the other priests in the monastery. Thank you. So if you're living in a conclave with a number of monks or nuns, or nuns, who are we to charge,

how to get, but also I think if you are living in the monastery, that's in lockdown, you're not new to this. This is already what you're all listening to after Evensong. Yeah. You all come home and listen. But I suspect you're already used to a very co-habit.

isolating, self-isolated lifestyle. 100%. Any monks listening, I'd say just whip back through our catalogue of other how-toes because this isn't for you. But everyone else. It's for everyone. Chune in.

Cheers, cheers. And I think it's very, very easy if you are following Instagram or Twitter or whatever to see, you know, is it that one from Little Mix during that dance up the stairs? Well, here's grandma's guess at what I've seen on the internet. Okay.

I think what I've seen is the blonde one from Little Mixed. Perry, I believe. Perry, doing a dance with what I suspect to be her lover, or it could just be a fun housemate, but I think it's a lover. Okay. And then you'll do this very, very, very, they're in their socks, and they do this very, very impressive dance on their marble floor up sort of six stairs. It's really very impressive.

Great. Is this a tip? Yes. That's tip number one. No, the tip is that it's very easy when you see shit like that or everybody who's all over TikTok doing fun things with their parents or housemates, whatever, or people doing funny things on the stairs and be like, ha ha, ha, isolation. And you're like, I hate everyone I'm with and we aren't doing any fun TikToks. Just remember that that is a very small part of those people's day.

And I'm sure the rest of the time, there has been a lot of angry silence. Yeah, I got sent a video recently A friend sent me a video Part of the video was she was like fully dressed At like 8.30am cooking eggs And it was like oh I'll actually want to see that Yeah Look I'm eating like essentially a muffin at like 3pm

That's my breakfast After my morning cry I don't need to see someone fully dressed Yeah Yeah it's and I think it's all just like You know guys do you You know like Just get

through the day that you don't have to do, you don't have to, you know, don't judge by what anyone else is doing, just you personally get yourself through the day and that's all anybody can ask of you, you know? 100%. And if you are, you know, so you might be working, living with people who some of them are working, you might be working from home. We did an episode last week about how to work from home and some of those tips will I think apply. One of the things that have really helped me because I have one housemate, two if you count the tortoise, but she's not really that active in my life. And we both work.

And I found it really helpful to if my housemate is, you know, like, wanting to watch a film or wanting to like play God of War or wanting to do something that is not anything to do with what I need to really focus. I found it so helpful to,

I've got these headphones and just to blast YouTube ocean noises out. So then it doesn't matter if the person you're living with decides to use the microwave. And you're like, why are you using the microwave and I'm trying to focus? You just don't get annoyed by anything

because you are very much in your own little world. I also, when I the other day I searched for ocean noises, like I do every day when I'm trying to work. And then I actually searched for ocean noses. Nothing came up. Nothing. Not even the bottlenose dolphins. Oh my God, no.

I mean, I didn't really look. I was laughing so hard. I tried to look up ocean noses. I was like, maybe I should listen to that. But yeah, that was my first practical thing. Yeah, headphones. Headphones. And like, it could be ocean noises or rain sounds or just, but on YouTube,

they've got like 11 hours of, they've also got a nice one, which is cafe noises, which is just like the general hubbub of a cafe. Just anything that means that whatever is happening around you is less likely to break your focus or disturb you. And because I think I've been emailing an editor that I'm working with at the moment. And she basically opens every email with like, hey, how you doing? I think I'm going to kill my boyfriend. And I was like, okay. And the second one like, yeah, how's it going. I'm just trying to work out how I can deal with people who breathe too

loudly. I'm like, oh God, you've got to put headphones on. Yeah. And I think if you're somebody who's, I'm sure, I suspect most of the population have already got headphones. If you're someone who, like I only recently got a pair and they've really changed my life. I only recently bought a pair of headphones, having previously only had a pair that I bought from Tiger that were gold and had spikes coming out the side of them. I have seen those. I thought you could say I've only had a ghetto blaster, which I walk around with on my shelters.

Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, the ghetto blast also. Yes, you've seen those ones from Tiger. Very fun, hey? So fun. Could you hear through them? No, Stevie. I could not. I splashed out on some nice ones, the noise-canceling boys.

and oh, mama, it's unbelievable. It's a life-changing experience. The bows. If you have got enough pennies to invest in something, a strong recommend on the best headphones you can afford and not just to buy some humorous gold-studded ones that will immediately break. And the difference to be able to be in total isolation

and to not be listening to your housemates, breathing too loud or doing whatever nonsense they're doing, and just to be able to have a bit of a loan time is going to really, really make the difference. difference. A huge difference. Also is schedules. So I read this good tweet by this guy who spent, he spent most of his life down submarines for like nine months at a time working on oil rigs. I think I've kind of mixed the two things you do underwater, but fine. It's called patrol when you go down there for like six months. Great. splitting your days into sections. So you know, like essentially it's very

easy to wake up and be like, cool, I'll work until 5pm now. And then that's, it's actually not very helpful to do that because if you split it in intersections, you've got like pre-lunch and then you've got your proper lunch break and then you've got after lunch, what, and then like, and you know exactly what you're going to be tackling. You can split it into whatever tasks you have to do. But you have to make sure that you include not working in that, in the day. Otherwise, you were just going be like overwhelmed by the amount of hours that are like and also you you can't yeah I can do this I've got like six hours to do this whereas if you're very very regimented with with your off time then it's like oh got to get this done before I go on my break as well the night before if you all chat about your

schedules so then everyone everybody knows oh we need to be quiet around this time because someone's got a conference call or whatever if you do it the night before then that because I think some people have said to do it in the morning but some people get up later than others guys so it's nice to do it the night before so everyone knows exactly what's happening. So you're not like, you've not got the megaphone out when Alison needs to call Japan, for example. Absolutely. So yes, so find whatever time works for you guys. And again, if everyone's a morning person and you're all up making breakfast, then you can have a lovely morning briefing or whatever makes you feel most at home and say when everyone needs the living room or whatever. But otherwise, yeah, at the evening or at some point or just like or WhatsApp each other just so everyone,

wants clear about what you're doing and when and it'll make you feel so much calmer. I know when you are thinking, oh my God, what's everyone going to say that I need, you know, the living room at three or whatever? And then you just sort of hope that everyone's going to go out or whatever. But if you actually just say to everyone, this is the plan, this is what I need. You'll feel so much more relaxed rather than constantly trying to like weirdly like trick it into being. I'm just speaking from experience as somebody who would sort of, is very bad at hiding their head in the sand and hoping things work out rather than just saying to everyone,

this is what's happened, this is what I need, this is when this is going to be taking place. Every time I get out ahead of it, I'm always amazed by how not a problem it was and how much better I feel and how much better everything went on account. We're just saying what was going on. Yes, definitely. And also on the note of, some people might get up later than others, I just thought then, I think another thing is you've often, a big thing about living together in general is obviously it's all different types of people living together and now when you are all stuck you cannot leave and it might be quite easy for you to like pass judgment even if you think you're being fun or silly or banterous on other people's lifestyles so for example someone getting up at 11 being like

making a comment even if it's a kind comment making any comment at all about the fact that they've got up at 11 at this very difficult time in this, the era of the pandemic, might not be a nice thing because they might be getting up a bit later because they're like a bit all over the place, a bit frightened or a bit like, and they don't need you to make them feel bad. Similarly to people who don't have a lot of work to do, respecting people who are having to work constantly, you know? And also, a big thing as well is people responding to the kind of anxiety of the actual virus itself. So I've got a friend who is living with someone who has gone incredibly over the top about cleaning to the extent where whenever she leaves the house to get shopping, she demands that everybody like strip off all of

their clothes and disinfect them. And then also disinfect all of the individual items of food, like packaging. She feels really anxious because she doesn't, she's sort of like going along with it. And I think the problem is, is that they haven't sat down and spoken about it. My friend hasn't said, the way that you act is actually making me really anxious. And I'm fully. aware that you feel you have to do this. But I'm not going to do that every time, but say, let's compromise. I will do this and this and this and then they can reach some sort of agreement. But at the moment, like one person is just like bleaching their entire body while the other person sits in their room being like, oh, I think communication is so important.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the number one thing. The big C is, you know, you've got to talk out loud and get to the bottom of things and understand why someone. one is doing something. If you are at war with your housemate, if you can understand why, whatever is they're doing, upsets you so much. And if you can make them understand the why, not just like, you do this and I hate it. It's like, oh, you do this and I hate it because I feel I do more cleaning in the house. Or I feel that I buy more of the groceries. So it upsets me when you do this. I feel like I buy all the toilet roll all the time, et cetera, et cetera. Or like, yeah. And so just to be able to be like, I know I'm being overly cautious about this

cleaning. I personally feel extremely scared and anxious all the time, so I want to clean everything and then be able to talk about it openly and to be like, you don't have to do, you don't have to do that. Which I'm sure this person, the friend that you're talking about who's bleaching everything, I'm sure would appreciate being able to

open up about their fears rather than manifesting them in, you know, in relentlessly cleaning everything. But as well, you mentioned like food supplies and people using people's food. I think that's interesting too because there's the element of like in a normal house share, you either live in one, basically you either live in a house share where everyone has everyone has

everyone has their own olive oil or you all share olive oil. There's not really in between. And so if you're living in a house where like everyone has their own olive oil and it's very much like all the things are yours and you don't share anything, it might be worth kind of stockpiling all your food together and sharing it out and then doing food deliveries. So you can make sure that everybody is paying an equal amount and everyone's paying into it rather than it becomes like a sort of, it's already quite horrible and panic by and like free for all outside, like every man for himself. So you kind of don't want to foster that in your own house. Unless, of course, you don't speak to your house, mate. You hate each other and you prefer to be

fully alone, in which case, fine. Fine. But again, if you really, really do hate each other, you are still both trapped in the same house during a pandemic. And so you have got to find a way to communicate or to, you know, at least find your way, however, slowly through. Or I would err towards, like share the things like there isn't enough stuff out there for everyone to for everyone to have their own olive oil in the house and so the better that you can do to be like let us put let us make a truth here that truth seems to happen face to face from a respectful six meter distance face to face if this becomes a what's up or a post-dick note based debate like the like chaos that way lies you know refer back to our how to have difficult conversations podcast where we learned a

fascinatingly important part, which is you just need to get what you need out of that discussion. You don't need to bring up all this enormous emotional hurt that is in there. One of the other arguments that I think a lot of housemates have is to do with cleaning and tidying and people not pulling their weight. So if you don't already have a rotor, I think even if you're like the most chilled housemates, the bestest friends in the whole world, have a rotor. And the rotor shouldn't just be like, Gary claims the bathroom, because Gary then won't clean the bathroom and the bathroom will be ranking, everyone will hate Gary.

So it's like, on Sunday, we're all going to clean together and we all have a designated room, like something like that that you enforce, but it's like everyone respects and knows the reasons why rather than, you know, being like, it's almost like the government's directives, they have to be very specific, otherwise people will flout them and there'll be lots of upset, whereas if it's very clear, everyone's like, I understand, I don't like it, but I understand.

Yes, I was made to do. make an Excel spreadsheet of meals last night, which I rebelled against very heavily. I feel that's like my, that whatever the opposite of spirit animal is. Like I felt very aggressively that an Excel spreadsheet of a meal plan was everything I had fought against my whole life. But once I was made to understand the benefits. Once I stopped screaming. Once I stopped screaming about it and was dragged, kicking and screaming and

into the living room. I was like, okay, I do understand. Like, now I can see the stuff written down. We cannot go to the supermarket. There is literally a pandemic happening. If ever there was a time for an Excel spreadsheet, it is now. And now we can see, like, we have got enough food to get us through the week. And also, when I'm being made to make a shopping list, all I ever do is write crisps and wine. And that's also all I buy in the supermarket. But then you get home and then you eat your crisp and your wine and then you're like well now what the fuck am i going to do you know well what i wouldn't give repair exactly for god's sake and so you know thinking ahead writing the list being a bit more i'm going to use the word anal about it or like you know uh whatever all those things

that you're like i'm not doing that now i'm just expressing the level of frustration i feel about being forced to live like this yeah however and to my enormous chagrin i am seeing the benefits Yes, so am I and I as well hate it. Yes, yes. Apparently, being organised and going to bed at a reasonable time and getting up at reasonable time and drinking water, apparently that makes you feel so much better. And it does and I don't need that information right now, actually. Actually, so it's infuriating.

Why, are you going to bed at a reasonable time? Yes, that should have been my adult thing. Yeah, I'm now going to bed. I genuinely thought that within four days I'd be like, 4 a.m. getting up at 5pm. But because I was so frightened of doing that, I've gone the other way. And I'm actually going to go to like a felt like 10 and getting up at line 8, which is unheard of. And apart from the eye patch that I'm wearing, I do feel really great. Wow. I'm furious that I don't need, I don't need to know that. Like I liked thinking that my

you know, terrible normal habits were fine. The one uplifting thing is I think, um, I saw somebody on Instagram was playing with their house, mate. They've got like, basically like games night, which I think is quite nice. And I think it can be very easily, um, forgot that you can actually do some like fun. It's almost see it as team bonding, like the kind of worst case scenario card game or cards against humanity. Just like simple things, simple games. You don't all have to like study a, study an instruction booklet for like years. And but also as well, very important.

But if not everyone is into organised fun, for example, I'm not. it can be a spontaneous thing. It doesn't have to be like, okay, so on Thursdays, we can have games night, because that might not be to everyone's taste. But in fact, but Stevie, option, given what we've already learned

about our personal behaviour, if you were forced to attend the Thursday night game night, are you open to the idea that you might have a pleasant time? I'd probably be really glad to come. Yeah. So I think, as we've learned,

like routine, structure, like this way happiness, sanity, stability lies. Maybe it is the time to be like, on Thursday everyone, there will be a pub quiz in the living room. Okay, I've got a tip every week or have the games night. I think, and even if you hate everyone in your house, or you think no one wants to play your games, and you're like, no one wants to do that with me.

You told me about trying to get your family to play. Egg-nogheads? Egg-nogheads, yeah, and that no one wants to play with you. Yes. Yeah. I made an entire game of Only Connect. Wow. Yeah, I know, really complex. Really complex stuff, actually.

No, I wanted to play. But you need, yeah, I think just commit to being like, this is what is happening now. Okay, everyone? Yes, oh, my God, I just had a thought, which I didn't think before recording this. But there must be people, of course there are, who quite fancy one of their housemates

and are now isolated with them and are using this time to be like, maybe I should make a move. I shall tell you a tale. As you may know, I'm an extreme fan of AITI, Am I the Arshole. So on Reddit, if you are not familiar, and I don't really understand how Reddit works, but here's an amazing one.

It is an Asian gentleman. I'm not sure where he's from. He just says he's Asian and that he's from a culture that insist on arranged marriage and that he himself is gay. And he is in his 30s. he is set up on a date. He never came out to his parents that he was gay and then was,

but he lives away from them, lives in America, and then was set up on one of those like arranged marriage dates as he had been for many, many, many of them with a lady, in inverted commas, who in the like, when they were meeting privately,

revealed to him that she was actually, he was actually a trans man and did not want to be a woman. And so it was like, forget it, this is, you don't want to be with me. And he was like, well, I don't want to be with ladies either. So if your only way out of this is to get married and so is mine, do you want to just like get married?

And then because she's now, she, University Commons is now his husband, she's allowed to dress how she likes, cut her hair, live as a man. All of the stuff. Then I live in America together. And they live this like very separate life. The wife went off to do her, his PhD. And like they were just living like very separate lives, but they lived together. And then increasingly they started like spending more and more time together, even though it was just like an arranged business relationship. and then this guy is posted being like,

now that we're in quarantine and self-isolation together, I realize I'm in love with him, how do I tell them? And then everybody commented being like, do all these things, do all these things. And then he was like, thanks everyone. I've never had to express my feelings before.

He's like so closeted and, you know, doesn't know his own feelings, whatever, doesn't have to express them. And then made this little treasure hunt around their house because they're quarantines, they can't get out, and then it ended with a date, a candlelit date. The post was called, I think I'm falling in love with my husband. Magic.

See, that's great. And I'm sure that's the experience of many listeners. Well, then that's a tip. If you're falling back in love with your husband, please continue. Also, like, I'd say, I would, I don't know, it's difficult, isn't it? Because I don't want to, you can't really advise either way for like, go for it if you've always wanted to, because what if you bone them and then it doesn't work out? And you're then having to isolate with them for the next three months. but I don't know

I guess just got to live. It's a real baptism by fire. I think it's like, are you going to can it work? If it can work under these situations, it's going to work. It can work anywhere. Something to think about for the next bit of time. Yes. Don't binge this relationship.

Yes, because also a lot of relationships will be struggling under these circumstances. I've got a friend who's moved back at home because he was living with his girl friend and they haven't been going out for that long I don't think but you know like a year maybe and they realize that these circumstances are not they're not going to it's not right for them you know like they're not able to deal with that at this stage just like with housemates you pick a housemate

who're like yeah I can live with you not necessarily oh yeah I can be trapped in a in a very small flat like 12 weeks with you like this is not it doesn't mean that you're not friends if you can't get on or you're struggling to get on during like you think like it's not that anyone can really like it's not like, oh, this was the wrong person for this. It's like everybody is going to be struggling. Everybody is just going to have to gently find their way together through this rather than being like, oh, I got, oh, I ended up with a terrible housemate, whatever. Yeah, I mean, if all else fell, stick on some ocean noses in your headphones

and just listen to that. But yeah, communicate, get the headphones on. It sounds like a poem, but it's not going anywhere. schedule the meetings. It's game night. Cleaning rotor. Cleaning rotor. Excel spreadsheet. Online pub quizzes that you can take part in on a Zoom call. So not just like doing a quiz, which is very nice, but at least it would be nice to have some human contact.

You've got on a Zoom call and your local pub might be running these or they are out there. And then you can see other people, have some human contact, listen to some pals, you know, start doing things as a house altogether, insist on everyone getting involved in a TikTok. Insist on it. I think when we start saying, like, for the greater good, that's when we'll know we're really in a mess. Okay, understood.

Just so you know, when that phrase starts creeping in, that's going to do. Does that all well, like the one that's like, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. If I ever start saying that, and I'm wearing the eye patch, I think it's, we need to stop.

Look, guys, don't go down together. Let's all be in this together. We're all helping each other out. It's very, very hard, though. And all of that stuff being like, don't work from your bedroom. If you're in a house share, work from your bedroom. Just put some shoes on and put your headphones on.

And we just have to take whatever you need to do. Like, do not listen to anybody who says, don't tells you not to do something, apart from the government. Yeah, listen to the government. I'm thinking of going on Instagram live and doing some cooking. What do you think? I think that would be so great. I think you should definitely do that.

I'd watch it if I'm around. And that's our final tip. Tess is going to go live. I can only make one thing and it's a winter soup. So it'll be that first. That's quite impressive. That's really impressive. It's actually very delicious.

Great. Well, I look forward to that. Hang in there, everybody. You're doing really well. We are going through something. really intense right now and you are allowed to feel whatever you feel, you know? 100%. If you have any ideas for podcasts episode you'd like to listen to in this very tricky time

because we want to do things that you want to hear. Please do tweet us at Nobody PanicPonickpod or email us. Nobody Panicpodcast at gmail.com. Or just say hi to me. I'm at Stevie M. The S is a 5. Or if I'm your favourite. I'm at Tessa Coates.

all that is now a competition and yeah just don't look genuinely nobody panic because we're all going to be fine yeah nobody panic we're going to listen and listen and learn okay and also if you want to come find me on my live YouTube my Instagram live

I'm at Weep Pray Love and we'll be making a winter soup every night this week great see you next week see next week okay bye bye Bye.