Nobody Panic - How to Deal with Criticism

Episode Date: February 9, 2021

Sick with nerves at the thought of receiving feedback, even when you've requested it? Burst into tears the moment anyone suggests you're anything less than perfect? Stevie and Tessa delve into the hows and why and whats of criticism, and how you can powerfully take it in your stride.Want to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Welcome to Nobody Panic with me. My name is Stevie.

What's your name? My name is Tessa. What's your name? Listener. Say it now. Welcome to Nobody Panic. Where it's coming to you. It's still lockdown.

It's February. It's 2021. We're still here. What are we doing? I hope you're having an okay day, given the circumstances. I feel like people have stopped saying, how are you to each other? Because there is no answer anymore.

You just have, the answer is like, yeah, healthy, all right, I guess. Fine. Fine. In a way. And it's like, I am fine, but also I am not fine. Yes, correct. But we are, you know, just very boldly popping out these podcast episodes as if everything's fine and normal. Just to give people, I think just to give the people.

some normality. I think that's what the people are desperately clamouring for. Yeah. Yeah, two basic gals talking shit. That's what they were from. Talking shit. Shooting the breeze. Yes, this is also our first one in the new year.

Our first episode of, our first episode of 2021, we actually recorded in 2020. And now this is, this is, this is happening in real time. Yeah, I feel like you can tell that. But today's episode is... I don't know. Neurotic energy.

Yeah, it's very sort of manic. Today's episode was a suggestion from Ms. Hashimoto. And we got a lovely email. But please, Tessa, if you may, read out that email. If I may, I may. Thank you, Ms. for writing to us. She says, hi, exclamation mark. I'm just emailing with a quick suggestion for your superb, lovely, very helpful podcast.

Thank you, Mitt. I like to keep the praise in. Just to, come on, boost morale. I put it out. I hate morale. I know you do. And I like to keep in. It's on brand though, the need for praise because her email is, her request is how to receive feedback slash criticism without getting all sweaty and panicky.

I know that feedback's helpful and I know I want to hear it. but I find it so anxiety-inducing, even when I'm the one who requested the feedback in the first place. So I'd love an episode about this one day. Anyway, thanks for reading, Ms. Who has obviously listened to our episode and has put her pronouns at the bottom of she, her, which is such a nice thing to do.

Very good. Okay, well, before we, before we tackle Ms. We're not talking about me. We will tackle the subject at hand as two people who regularly get given feedback through career and probably also just from friends being like, can you stop? And it's tough, and it's tough, and it does get better with time, but it's also still tough

even after a lot of time. What we like to do at the start of each episode is just sort of relay what the most adult thing we've done that week is to make ourselves feel like we are mature human beings. Tessa, what is your adult thing that you've done this week? Mine is, I have moved desk space from one area of the house to a different area of the house. And it's not helping. That's good. What was your thoughts behind, what was the psychology behind moving?

I had got to the point where I thought, if I have to look out of that window one more time, I will throw something And then I moved And I had And I so I moved I moved to a different Bick corner

I basically just turned around Face the opposite direction Same room Different direction Same room Just can I face the opposite way And actually Love that

Yes And I and then also I got myself these Stevie Roses Was I expecting that No They were on sale In the supermarket

Panned Got myself Some Barbie pink roses Put them in an old Currie jar have the curry washed it out, put the roses in and I'm like, look at me go. Come on. So I guess it's just to say if you two have absolutely lost morale for where you're currently having to work, a change is as good as a rest. See if you can just turn around and face the opposite direction. That works if you don't

have a, like a, you know, a separate room devoted to being able to work. You can just be sat on the floor by your bed and then you just go and sit on the other floor across the other side of your bed. Oh, see things from a new perspective. Exactly. And it is, you think, I've got nowhere else to go. I can't do anything. But actually, you can spin round. You can spin round.

Don't let them hold you back to TV. You can spin round. Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus. And that's lockdown, baby. But it has genuinely helped me. And so I'm just passing it on in case it's helpful to anybody else, make a small change to your environment.

What's yours? Mine is actually quite significant. So we're moving to another rented property, continuing my journey of renting every property in London at some point. You've got to get them all. You've got to tick them all off. Gotta keep going. So we're moving. But, and here's the adult thing, here's the adult thing.

And we're moving specifically to a place where I can get a dog. Oh my God. So I'm getting a dog in April. Holy shit. Have you made any steps towards getting a dog? Well, first, we very much, the steps are moving all my things. So that's going to be the first big one. And then once we've, once I've put the first box into the new flat, I'll be researching

breeds and just looking up all of the things. That's my thing. Well done, Stevie. It's nice to have. some news, isn't it? Because it's got to have some gossip. It's anything. Just anything. Because I think one of the reasons that everything feels so relentlessly bad

is that the bad stuff is happening and can't be controlled. Like illness, you know, terrible things like that was going to happen anyway, but normally it would be bad things and good things. But none of the good things are happening because nothing good can happen.

And so it's so lovely to hear some good news. I feel genuinely moved. Oh, I'm so glad. And I hope you all at home feel genuinely about me moving house. And then I'm into our, into everyone's mental state at the moment. Oh yeah, that introduction was very fitting for the time that we're living in. But let's get to feedback. If I could give you some feedback on your house choice, Stevie, on your general person.

Some things I want to share with you. No, I never would. But yeah, it's a tricky one, isn't it, criticism? because it's absolutely awful. It really is. And it's also, I found the only thing, like the more I've got it, the more I'm able to deal with it in certain situations. So like, because of being a journalist for so long,

you literally submit articles. And then the editor will be like, no to this, no to this, yes to that, change that, that's not funny enough, whatever. And so I've learned how to be slightly better at that, but it still hurts and I still get very angry and then have to like, you know, but then I haven't, you know, like when someone, if someone was was to give me feedback on my personality, I would explode because I haven't experienced that.

And also unfair. Yes. Yes. Something that really changed things for me, if I may share is I wrote, when I first started writing for an online magazine, I wrote this piece about, I think it was about fish that looked like people. I think that's what the piece was about. Sure. And I thought it was quite funny and it was then submitted and while the heart of the article remained, it was still about fish that looked like people. Several of my jokes had been like butchered to be much worse jokes. Oh yes. Welcome to the publishing industry and the magazine industry. And I was like, I was absolutely flawed. I was like, oh, no, like, no. And I, and then I remember being like, hey, they paid you

to write this article about fish, which means it belongs to them. So if they want to make that much worse joke, then that's, that's the, that's it. That's the money they gave you that money, not in so much in exchange for your words, but in exchange for that becoming something else that doesn't belong to anymore, like that is the price of it. And therefore, I was like, okay, if I want to write my own thing about fish who look like people, then I, then, and I want to start a website called fishpeople.com. Exactly. And then I have total creative control and nobody can critique me, but I won't get paid for it. And so like that's becomes the trade off. Also, if I may, my sort of theory about feedback is that even if, because I've had the exact same thing where I've read in a magazine article and like, and it's been about fish people. And then they put in things like, um, full stop, fab, full stop. the end, it's been like, sorry, I would, what? I would never say the word frab and neither would

anyone else since, like, 2001. Like, that's not a thing. Mine was, um, yes, really. Like, I was like, I actually did this, brackets. Yes, really. And I was like, well, yes, really. Obviously, yes, really. I just said, I did it. And then they were like, and then it was like, this is the most random thing. And I was like, no, no. I wouldn't be, I wouldn't say that. But, anyway, sorry, go on. I feel that, no, this is good. I feel that all, pretty much all feedback has a kernel of truth in it and we fear the kernel of truth because it what it says about what we've done is could be ultimately negative and it's often sometimes not even the thing that the person is criticizing it could be something else so for example with that instance they have taken your good good

jokes and they've butchered them and they have made them into like you know just nothing flat jokes that you've seen a million times before however the kernel of truth in that is that we always have to be looking to be writing for our audience and as wide as wide as possible. So I've learned to not to save my like left field gags for when someone says like, can you please write a very comedy heavy mad piece about this, about this left field. And I'm like absolutely right. And so and and then and you and that is kind of a good piece of advice for, you can turn that into any creative thing. Because every time we, I've ever tried to do anything creative, I sometimes have to like rein myself in a little bit.

because my sense of humor is much more absurd than, you know, the majority of the populations. And so that's just one example of it. But I found so like when some people feedback or you get criticism or, you know, we have very specific jobs where you like, for example, do a show. Someone comes to see it and literally writes a paragraph of what they thought you should do, what they didn't like, what they did like. And I can't stand that. but I have about like two years later figured out that everything that was said even if I didn't

and I still don't think that what they were saying was accurate or you know they they would make mistakes and say like my intention was this it was like you don't know me like how can you say that I intended to do that when you weren't there when I wrote it but what I can see is that maybe it wasn't accessible enough or maybe it will I didn't introduce this what you know like there's other things and there's a reason why they gave you some criticism. There's a reason why they said that. And it's often, basically you can always,

I know we all know it's good for us, but we sort of say that in a very vague way. But actually, you can really like be a detective about it and find the thing that you can take from it. But you can only do that about two months later after you've cried. Absolutely. Like you can't in the heat of the moment be told that someone didn't like something you've done.

Like no human could possibly take that. I often, I often think of Neil Gaiman and a quote of his, who is an author and he wrote a quote that was remember when people tell you something's wrong or doesn't work for them they're almost always right when they tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it they are almost always wrong that's look that's so that's basically what I was trying to say but so succinct and perfect exactly right well he had you just thought of it on the spot and he had time to really he's had many years to really get you're welcome stevie

I think you're doing fantastic that's my feedback um so I think it's it's it's stands you in good stead that like what Stevie and Neil are both saying here, which is like, they say, hey, your work is maybe your work in the lumberyard is not as up to scratch as we might hope or whatever. You know, they probably are correct if they suggest that you do something, the actual suggestion of how to improve it can probably be ignored. But the thing that says like, oh, this didn't sit right with me or say that you've written a murder mystery and somebody he says, I didn't believe that that character at the end could have been the killer. And then they say, what? Instead, it was the dog. All that you take from that is like,

fuck you, you don't know about my world. But if it's like, if you wrote a thing that was to be read and if when people read it, they didn't believe it, then I'm sorry, but you've got to, you got to rethink it. And so, so take that on board to be like, the reasoning is good, that the thing doesn't have to be, you can ignore the thing, the suggestion. I think as well, it also extends to personal, feedback and that comes i mean there's not people i mean you might have friendships where people are like okay how do we how did we do this week um well you were you were quite poor at texting back and you but i don't um but it's the same sort of thing like when somebody does criticize you it's often

not perhaps the thing that they're criticizing so for example if you bought a hat and your friend said I hate your hat and you were like that's it's an objectively excellent hat you're an idiot in your head to be like fine and then you realise that you always go hat shopping with them and this time you went hat shopping with your friend Claire and actually what they're saying is I wish you told me that you'd gone out and bought a hat with someone else

because I would have liked that information but now I just hate but all they all they can say is I hate your hat and I think people who are giving criticism and giving feedback and we've got an episode on it but you know by all means we are not experts, it's very difficult to actually know what you're criticizing because humans are incredibly complex. We're not like computer programs that are like, this is wrong, this is, so I will tell you exactly what is wrong. We will just say what we feel is the vibe rather than, you know, give actual feedback. So also you have to kind of decode

the feedback that you've got as well. And it's incredibly hard because all you've been told is I hate your hat. And so you're like, okay. I'm burning that hat. I'm burning that hat, baby. But really, they're saying, I'm actually very just. as though you went hap-shopping without me. I think for me, people were always in a very jockey way, but nonetheless, it was a clear and direct critique. Can't wait for this. What do you think it's going to be? I've no idea. What do you think the main thing people tease me about is? Oh, I don't like this game. Because I could say something you'd be like, no. What? They tease me about that. I have a feeling that years ago, it will have been like,

why have you worn seven dresses and a shoe on your head? And a shoe. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly that one. It is, why have you dressed yourself out of a bin? And people were very, it always teased me. And I knew I never, and it was a sort of self-sap, self-proficising cycle because I knew everyone was going to tease me. So then I never, and I was like, well, they're going to tease me anyway, so I might as well show up in these, in this sort of prairie smock again. And then I think the heart of the teasing and the criticism is not, we hate you and we hate how you, dress. It is you, you should trust yourself and believe in yourself a bit more and, and respect

yourself. You respect yourself in so many other areas of your life. Why don't you respect yourself in this? Like, you can, you could dress better is what they're trying to, you know. But again, like, if all anyone ever says to you is like, you look like you live in a bin. Yeah, not unhelpful. That's unhelpful feedback. Because you're like, yeah, I guess I do. Oh, I'm bin woman. I'll continue to buy my fine. I'll just continue to be this person in a bin because I know they're going to tease me about how I can't, how I can't dress, you know? Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, and it's hard, it's really, really, and it does. Like I say, it takes you a long time to decode the thing that is useful for you to take from that criticism. And so, like, Ms is saying, like, how do I not get sweaty and panicky and anxious? Like,

hearing the criticism is like, you can only, I suppose, train yourself and get better with time to, like, to say, like, it will be hard to receive it in the moment and I will process this as a later date. and so to try and take it on board as best you can and don't feel that you have to do anything with it in that moment like if somebody brings you in for you ask somebody to read your work or we don't know what Ms does for a living but um you know at the lumber yard they say please I presume she works in a lumber yard what do you think of this chair I've talked to tree

no I think you're right tree is correct in the lumber yard I don't think people are doing like whittling um that's in the whittling yard in the whittling yard so if you say like what do you think of this chair I've made and you actively ask someone for someone's criticism. Like, just expect, be ready for the moment to not be very pleasant. And then for you to, in your own time afterwards, process it and be like, okay, what can I, what can I take from this rather than it being a sort of helpful experience in itself, which I think definitely won't be.

I think a lot of people or most people, when they directly ask you for feedback, they aren't actually asking you for feedback. They're really hoping you go, actually it's perfect. and then you only realize that that's what you wanted when the person doesn't say that. And you're like, I wish I had never spoken. But so only ask for feedback when you really want some feedback, when you want the actual feedback. But also like, you know when you know that you should probably do some exercise or something. And you're like, oh, just don't want you.

But I know they all make me feel really good. I like to go into this like, I'm a robot cyborg sort of thing. where I'm not going to emotionally engage with putting my trainers on and going for a run or whatever. I'm just going to do it. And then while I'm doing it, then my brain will catch up. Like sometimes like getting up in the morning when you don't want to get up, you just go, my body now has to just take over. Me? I'm not getting up. Nothing to do with me. I'm not here. I'm not even involved. My brain is still in bed, but my body seems to be show running into the shower.

Running into the shower. And I think with feedback, you have to sort of, when you realize that some feedback is going to occur, You almost have to take it like, you almost have to go, right, it's unemotional time. You just, you just receive it, make note of it. And then, and then, yeah, like you're saying, consciously decide to deal with it later. And have a set thing that you say to everyone who gives you feedback, regardless of whether it's good or not, which is, I think I've got like, um, oh, that's funny, I've written down some, some quotes because I can never remember anything. And one of them is, I hate how you treated me, which is not what you should say. what you should say is oh yes thank you so much for that lots to think about really helpful so then

it doesn't matter what their feedback is and then that that signals to the other person that you're not going to like go oh i'm going to respond to this point in this point that's very clear that you're thanking them and then you can come back to them at a further point of course if it's the sort of criticism they're expecting to like hear back immediately then you then you can say just just give me like a few a few minutes to process that and i will get back to you. Or like, let's set a meeting tomorrow and chat this through. But defer it.

Like, always defer it. You don't have to, I think it's really important to not respond in the moment emotionally because then when you're dealing with the feedback, you're then also embarrassed that you were like, and this is where I said, I hate how you treated me. Like, you don't want to also be like regretting that. You want to at least be like, but I dealt with that very well. So then you've got that in your little pocket. I, in your little pop back in your little pocket.

I think one of the biggest things about getting old, about like growing up and becoming, as Michelle Obama would title her autobiography, about becoming who you are. And did. And did. That's a top tip for you, Michelle, if you want to call it that, about becoming who you are is taking ownership of your time. And like exactly what you're saying of being like,

can I just take a few minutes to process that? or, you know, can we come back to this tomorrow? Or I'm just going to take five minutes and give this the attention it deserves or whatever, not feeling like you owe everybody in the immediately to respond to everything. You're like, okay, thank you. I'm going to take my time. And knowing that you need to take your time and that nobody can possibly have all the answers instantaneously in that second.

Yeah. And also sometimes feedback can come out, you like, you know, you're in like a meeting. And someone just says like, well, you don't ever do this sort of thing. And you're like, oh, wow. And that obviously, then if you're like, thank you, that's so helpful. I will get to it. It's a later day. You would sound quite absurd.

But in those instances, it's always good to just say something like, that's interesting, okay. Or it's interesting that you feel like that. Or just like, oh, right. Like, as in just acknowledge that you've heard it. But you don't owe anybody like a breakdown of exactly what, or like an nervous breakdown or a breakdown of exactly why you have acted like that. And also they could be wrong. And I think that's the other thing, isn't it?

Like, there's a good quote which I feel like you'll know, but I'm not going to put that on you. About not taking criticism from people that you wouldn't want to take advice. Yes. I don't know who it is, but I'm going to say it's Madeline Albright, bold. Who's that? I think she was President Roosevelt's wife. Right, I'm obviously Googling it. Everyone listening will be like, no, she fucking wasn't.

She's a former United States Secretary. Close. Poor. She was the first female United States Secretary. Oh my God. And I just made her his wife. I am sorry, Madeline. Yeah, she served under President Bill Clinton.

Wow, I thought she was way older than that. There's no idea. She's 83. I think it's, maybe it's an anonymous quote. Yes. I think we can say that Madeline Albright might have said it in her life, but I don't think she created it. Perfect.

And while we were trying to look up the author, our producer Naomi popped in to say, is it Dr. Zeus? And is it those who matter don't mind and those who don't mind, matter? Oh, fascinating. So you haven't looked that often. You just try to remember that from memory.

Of course. Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. That's a nice quote. That's a lovely quote. Thank you, Dr. Zeus. And if I may, parry back to you, Aristotle.

Yes. who said, criticism is something you can easily avoid by saying nothing, doing nothing and being nothing. That's a really good quote because I think so many people, yeah, avoid doing stuff because they don't want to be judged on it, but they don't want to hear the negative feedback. You cannot please everybody all of the time. You can sort of only please yourself. So if you think it's good, that's sort of, I was going to say, is that all that matters in the workplace if your work is bad? no. So in a creative way, then that is all that matters is that you still not because if you want to put it out

and everyone's like, that's terrible. You should always listen to feed, you should get feedback on anything. Yes. That you want, that you ultimately want to do something with. It's your own little doodles and your own little world or great, but if you don't like, but if you want to ultimately progress something, you just can't do it without feedback because the whole, like, you're not, you're just one brain.

and, you know, how are you supposed to know, like, everything about what is the correct thing to do? You don't. And also, there's not a right and a wrong way to do anything. But if you're presenting something to somebody, even if it's like a work presentation and someone says, oh, I don't, I couldn't follow that. And you think, yeah, that's because you're a idiot. Exactly. But no, you think that. Then you cry.

Then you say to your partner, like, is it clear? And your partner goes, yes. I thought, it was very clear while, like, handy you glasses of wine. And then you go, but somebody didn't. didn't find it clear. So is there any way I can make it clearer for people like this person who may or may not be an idiot? Yeah, absolutely. The thing is, if somebody didn't find it clear, then it wasn't clear that sort of has to be the like, and it can be annoying and frustrating, but it's like you do have to, you have to listen. You have to listen. Because it could

have been so obvious in your mind, but if it is for other people, then you have to listen to what other people have to say about it. Can I share with you how criticism is sometimes helpful. Of course, yes. May I share with you some classic book titles and what the author wanted to call them and what the editor suggested instead? A hundred percent. I'll tell you the book and then you guess. So tricky. Okay. The Great Gatsby. What was the, what do you think he originally tried to call it? Okay. Parties and sadness. So close. He wanted to call it. These were his suggestions and he was furious that the editor went with The Great Gatsby, but I think we have to say, not a bad choice. His first suggestion was Trimlico and West Egg.

Don't put egg in a title unless it's a book about eggs. He's done it. On the road to West Egg. Obsessed with the egg. Among ash heaps and millionaires. Oh, all right. I mean, and eggs. Yeah, say the whole thing white, you, don't you? Under the red, white and blue, the gold-hatted Gatsby or the high-bouncing lover. Okay. While I would have, I would definitely have picked up a book called the high-bouncing lover. We all would. I wouldn't be expecting what the great Gatsby ended up being.

So I'd be very disappointed if I picked up the high-bouncing lover and it turned down to be like a construct of the deconstruction of the American dream. I know, right? The high-bouncing lover. It just sounds like a rom. And also just the obsession with getting the word-egging. Egg, like I say. Because I bet they said, oh, shall we not call it West Egg? Because everyone will just be so hung up on the fact that you've called a town West Egg. We could call it anything. I don't think the egg's important, is it? F. What is his name? Right. All quiet on the Western Front. Oh, uh, nothing new happening in the West. John Steinbex of Mice and Men. Uh, don't do that to Lelli.

Something that happened. No, he did not want to call it something that happened. Yes. The Secret Garden? Dickens Flute. Ah, so close. It's just Mistress Mary. See, that's just, it's weak, isn't it?

It blends in with every other book, yeah. And the best bit is the secretness of the garden. See, what's her face, Francis, Hodgson Burnett, was obviously like, it's about Mistress Mary and her journey. And they're like, the cool bit is the secret garden. Like, come on. And you can see how that argument happened. And if France has been like, it's Mount Mary, they're like, it's for people to read.

So it has to be about what they would like to read. No one would have read those books. No one would have read those books. Okay, just do you want. Gone with the Wind. Love and honour. Yeah, why not? Tote the weary load.

Other suggestions were, The bugle sang true. God, God. And mules in a horse's harness. I mean, they all sound like books that are right up your alley, Tessa. Mules in a horse's harness. They could be. The bugle's a great word, but no one's reading a book called that.

Right, that's brilliant. This is my final one. This is my last one because I think it's so, I talk about this one all the time. You probably know it. The Very Hungry Caterpillar. A Week with Willie the Worm. Oh, man. Oh, God.

That's a great example in real time of why feedback, look, feedback is so, because those people fought for a week with Willie. They fought for that. Thank God they lost. He turned to his wife, maybe, or the husband, whoever wrote it, and said, I'm going to call it a week with Willie the Worm. And everyone was like, yeah, good idea. And then someone was brave enough to say, hey, champ, what about the very hungry caterpillar?

and low. The amount of times that you, or the amount of times in my life that I've bit like bitched and moaned about getting feedback and then, you know, sometimes it is later, look back and gone, no, that is, it's good. And if I'd listened to that sooner, I could have altered what I was doing in a more helpful way. But you get completely rage blind and you completely just, you can't, you can't focus. And I think that's why it's so important to be, like you said and how it's kind of impossible. unfortunately to become the sort of person that just goes, thank you so much and really feels it and doesn't feel any emotion

of being told that something they've done or their own character or something, how they've acted is wrong. Like you just can't, as we are defensive creatures. Like you can't expect us to not get sweaty. So Ms, you're going to get sweaty. What I'd say is just pop on some deodorant to help yourself. In preparation. Know that the sweat is coming.

Know that your best bet is just to emotionally check out ride through the feedback, write it all down, or make sure that you haven't just, like, gone into a fugue state and then not taking anything from it. And then in the hours or days or however long it takes you to process, and then come back to it to be like, okay, yes, what do I...

And then you are Detective Hashimoto, and you are going in to find the kernel of truth in that feedback whilst trying to peel back the layers, like an onion. You're trying to get to the call. Because always in there, unless it's not feedback, It's actually just bullying. But it comes in the centre of that onion is a worthy kernel for you to take with you.

And if I may. If I may. It gets an onion so it will make you cry. Yes. Of course it's horrible to peel. So your instinct is to be like when you get given a whole onion with its skin still on us, be like onions, no, and throw it away. I always do that with every onion, I see.

And then I have to go and retrieve the onion for the pasta dish I'm making. You'll have to go and retrieve the onion and be like, I do need to see what's in the heart of this onion. And of course it will be bad to unwrap it, but just know that you're like, yeah, I've done it before. I can do it again. And the heart of this onion will be something I can take. And the onion will grow into an onion plant of knowledge.

Oh, magical. And magical. And just know that, like, you walk in the footsteps of great people who fought tooth and nail to call their book a big day out in West Egg, you know. So hopefully that helped. use it to really use it to propel yourself forward. It's the rocket fuel, you know, it's the center of the onion, you'll cry, but you'll make a good old, when you get that frying with some garlic. Oh, baby, that's going to taste delicious, hey? Do, do please send us some more suggestions for podcast episodes that you'd like to hear us tackle. Nobodyopanickpodcast.g.com is the email, and also you can like DM us on Twitter, which is at Nobodyjapenic pod. or just say hi to us individually as people at Stevie M.

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