Nobody Panic - How to Decorate When You Have No Taste

Episode Date: October 20, 2020

Struggle to make tasteful decisions when it comes to decorating? Tessa would ideally like to live in a Barbie pink room inspired by one she saw in Goodfellas and Stevie until recently attempted to make every room look like the Gryffindor common room. They delve into the ways you can adapt, negotiate and embrace your taste (or lack of) without being drowned in Pinterest hacks that all somehow involve rope.Want to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

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I'm Stevie Martin, the co-host of Nobody Panic. And I'm Tessa Coates, the pilot of Nobody Panic. And also just the normal co-host of this, but separately pilot on my own. Listen, abandon ship on this train of thought. Welcome to the podcast. It's called Nobody Panic. And today's topic is how to decorate when you've got no taste. It looks like we're going to be in our homes for a lot of the winter. And we've had quite a few requests to this variation that haven't specifically said, I haven't got any taste. But they have said, like, I don't know if I, I don't feel confident in my things or I'm

decorating and I don't know, I've got too many ideas or, you know, so there's been a lot of it. And I think everybody, wherever your situation is going to be spending a lot more time at home. and so let's try and make those places as nice as we possibly can. Also as well, we do have, for anybody who's like, but I live in a rental flat, I have maybe one pound. We have a good episode on how to make a rental house a home, which is your basics, your poundland, friends, whereas this is more like aesthetics, you know, like this is, whereas when you've got no budget, like absolutely bollocks to aesthetics, or there are actually certain things that you. you can do to make cheap things look a little bit more, more fancy. But for now, we're going to sort of focus on like, all right, how do you make your flat look nice?

Something that I've absolutely no idea on, and I've just been on Pinterest and I want to kill myself. So. Yeah, okay. Well, no panic. Well, literally nobody panicking. Hang everything with rope, it sounds like. You just have to put everything up with like very thick sailors rope. That's what all of the tips are.

It's, oh, God. It's so, no. it's so stressed with the rope, bloody hell. Pinterest isn't, we're going to obviously talk about Pinterest, but it is a minefield in there, and it's very easy to get in and think, this is too much rope, actually, and then have to immediately leave.

I don't want to. Where am I going to get? I'm not, where am I going to get that sort of 18th century sailor rope? Both really stroking our chin. Where am I going to get it from? Also, I used to, yeah, and also is going to include an important revelation about taste because I, for a long time, thought I had great taste.

I just didn't have any money. So I was like, oh, yeah, but when I can afford to eat, you know, you wait till I can. And then I started working properly for the first time and got some money. And I was like, oh, bugger. It turns out I just never had any taste. So it is a stressful old process. And I'm excited to... What's the adult thing that you've done this week?

And does it involve rope? Good. No rope involved whatsoever. But fabric, I have taken a... dress to the dry cleaners. Hello. And it's a dress that I absolutely wore to death last year. And I am going to a socially distanced wedding.

And I thought, listen, the world doesn't need any more dresses. I'm going to wear this one I already have. And it's the basic, the sleeve is come off. And the dry cleaners will do that. And I've attempted. A treat. Yeah. Well, that is.

They put sleep back on. That's the thing. That's the thing. You think, well, I haven't got any, I haven't got any Chanel suits. I don't need to go to the dry cleaners. But your local dry cleaners also does repairs and alterations. And you can get a pair of trousers that are good in the leg,

but too big or too small, whatever. You can get things fixed. And then you're like, for such a small amount of money, you're like, why haven't we all been doing this the whole time? The tailor, like there is an, you think like a tailor, what am I, Saville Row? But actually, anyone can go to the tailor and anyone can get some. something fixed. Anyway, so for nine pounds, I haven't collected it yet. So they might have just

attached a completely different sleeve from a different outfit. But he even said like, did you try and do this yourself? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, not a bad effort. And I was like, well, well, not good though, is it? They are going to reattach my sleeve and clean it for me. And listen, that's a, that's a decent, you know, if it's worth wearing, it's worth repairing. So I feel very grown up about that. And also just like the thought of, that's the first time I've ever taken anything to the dry greener, so I feel a bit. I can imagine. Mine is that I sat on my glasses that doesn't sound like that's very adult, but it didn't matter

because I had a backup pair of the same glasses, which very good. But then unfortunately, the origin story of the reason why I have two pairs of the same glasses is that I thought I'd lost one, bought another pair, and then found the other ones. So there's not a lot of adult thing going on, but there is enough that in a way it's very good that I did that. All I'm saying is I've got some glasses that I didn't realize I had. That is fantastic. Right.

What a journey. Can I please just, before you start, can I please just, may I, just go through a couple of, genuinely what the internet believes is cool and practical home decor hacks, okay? Is that what you, did you type in, cool, practical home decor hacks? Home decor, I can't remember, but it wasn't that. It was something very normal. And then when you type in something normal, like, oh, it's like decorating ideas. I think that's what I typed in.

And what I'm thinking is things like, oh, here's a colour wheel to show what colors complemented each other. Or here are the, here are the wallpapers that are right, buy these. That's what you think is going to happen. And instead it says 107 hacks for your bedroom. And it's always, it always, I was obsessed with hacks for a really long time. It was, they were absolutely insane. I've only seen like three or, I, there's a list of like 50. But I've only gone, I've only gone, I've only seen down three.

And every single one of them has made me angry. So I actually don't know how you managed it for so long. So one of them is, um, turn a ladder into a shoe rack. And I was like, okay, well, how would you do that? I suppose you have to put hooks. Because obviously a ladder doesn't have any depth. Obviously, it's an incredibly specific ladder. that has really, it's like beautiful frame, really deep things.

I've never actually seen a ladder that looks like this before. Is it an old Victorian library ladder? So then it's like, well, yeah, of course I'd turn that into a shoe rack if I had it. Because it basically looks like a shoe rack. That's not the hack. Yeah, if I, yeah, mate, if I had one of those, obviously. If I had access to a Victorian library, I wouldn't be on your hack page. Hacks for my fully functioning Victorian library, which probably is.

a website. Other one, turn teapots into vases, which is essentially spray paint a teapot gold and it just looks like you've put some flowers in a gold teapot. That does not look good. I'm going to say that right now. It looks weird. Yeah. And then the final one, which actually made me go off the website because I was so frustrated because I saw the, by this point, I should have learned, but I saw the subheading and thought, okay, this is actually quite interesting. Turn an ironing board into a table. I was like, I imagine that it's a, no, it's just an old hard wood, dark wood, mahogany ironing board, the likes of which I have never seen ever. And the helpful blurb underneath says,

obviously this works better if you don't have a padded surface on your ironing board. Who does not have a padded surface on that? Who has, oh, I'm so angry. Are they expecting you to use the ironing board and then use the table and then both be useful, or just you take off the padded top. No, you can't take off the padded top. You've got yourself the padded top. You have to have a hard wood, beautiful ironing board.

And then what happens is you just put a picture frame on it and say it's a table and it looks beautiful. It looks so nice and so classy. Yes, because it's a lovely ironing board. Basically, that's just if you have a table that looks like an ironing board, use it as a table. That's the thing. Those things, oh, they get you because, you know,

you think like, I can upcycle this. I can make this thing lovely. Oh, baby, let me tell you from one who's been there on the front lines of IKEA upcycling. You can't do it. You can't do it. And then you just lose my mind immediately. And I remember the time that I had like a very grotty rent of flat and thought, what we could do to like josh up the kitchen is hang, like hang onions.

And then I tried, but obviously I could only afford the cheap onions. So essentially it just like it just looked like I'd put. just put an onion on the ceiling. That's what it looked like. Yep. Yep. In a pair of tights, actually, you can use for onions

if anyone's interested, a pair of old stockings. But then you haven't got, if you haven't got enough onions and your tights are gross, then you've got, that's one onion hanging on the ceiling of that. You look like you've lost your,

you've had a psychotic break. Oh God. Right, okay. Right. Pinterest. Right, here's the first huge discovery about taste. If you're sitting there thinking, I have no taste.

All taste is, is, firstly, yes, you do. And secondly, all taste is, is you're not, you know, I was going to say, Eve San Laurent, but even he was basing his work on the work of other people. You want nobody who has good taste wakes up in the morning and it's just like, of course, I shall make a decorative gourd out of rope. Like, people have seen, people are just aping other stuff, copying other things, they're being inspired by other people. Taste is just copying other things. So if you see things that you like, you don't have to be like, oh, I wish, you could, those are available to you. You can have them. So it doesn't have to always be about you creating this vision entirely from your mind.

Taste is just about copying other stuff and being like, do I, if you like it, you like it. And there is no point making things that are tasteful in inverted commas. So to impress other people who come to your home. You're the one who has to live there. If you like it, you like it, you know, if you want to put rope on shit, go for your life, you know? Who are we to tell you? And so just embrace that thing of being like, oh God, I want people to say. I'm stylish. Like, there's very few people in the world that people are going to say that about. So just accept you're not one of them.

Yes. I remember going to a friend's house flat, house flat. And they, lovely. But it did, it looked like, it had all the right things in it. And it looked like every Instagram I've ever seen. And I was like, isn't it interesting that, so that's a great, a great flat. And they made me go like, oh, how did they think to put that there and put that there? And then I started to think, oh, it's because they're.

seen it on everything. And so there are plus sides and negative sides of like of doing exactly all of the right in the inverted commons thing because it just looks like you've copied everyone. But then the plus side and negative side of just kind of going it alone means that you might have some mad stuff there, but it will look like you. It will look like your, it's like dressing yourself, isn't it? The amount of people who I think I've got like incredible, incredible personal style tests are just incredible. And then they will reveal that they, it's not like a secret it's a very normal thing

that they have like full Pinterest boards and follow people and then just buy those clothes that they're wearing like so it's not like they haven't just gone I think I think chunky heels like obviously chunky heels are in fashion

so then they buy them like it's like at the moment with decorating everything seems to be an animal like it's like a bronze otter but it's also a lamp so that is a real thing at the moment is it a bronze? Can I show you something?

It's so, it's, I'm so excited. Okay, ready? Octopus candle holder! With the candles that go on the end of his legs because he's holding the candle holders with his little tentacles. Okay, and it's gold. That's absolutely exactly what we're talking about. And also what's great is,

this is a real great example, anyone listening going, well, that means that Tessa is just buying, yeah, A, yeah, she is buying the stuff that is cool right now because it's on Instagram, because that's what everyone's doing. but B, Tessa would have bought that 12 years ago when that was not a cool thing. Absolutely.

I love a thing that is also a thing. I want to borrow a pen that looked like a carrot. I've never seen anyone more happy in her entire life. Yeah. Oh my God, I was thrilled. I still have him. I love a thing that looks like a thing. I don't even wear jewelry unless it's also something else.

A fox necklace or wolf necklace, yeah. Yeah, thank you. I've got a ring that's also a four. Oh, that really gave me pause there. Okay, yes. So I do also, I remember as well when Tessie you moved into your flat and you're currently in and you spray painted, well, if anyone's long time listeners will remember, she spray painted her intercom pink like it was dream phone. And I've never respected you more. I was like, that is like I want my intercom to be pink, please. Just do it. Like it's great. Yeah, it's really old. So this thing was put in in like the 70s. So it's like a horrible shade of brown. And then I watch. And did I think of that out of my own mind? No, I saw, I'd never seen Goodfellas before. Hard recommend if no one's ever seen, guys,

I never have heard of this film Goodfellas. There's a bit where he gets a mistress and then he puts her up in an apartment block and everything is like Barbie pink and just outrageous. And I was like, oh my God, that's my dream. That's my dream room. So I went and Googled like the room and I looked at it and then I was like, oh my God,

I love everything. And then I was like, oh my God, she had a Barbie pink phone. And I was like, I can make the phone barbie pink. tip actually. Because I think it can be quite, as with everything, social media can make things quite, that's supposed to be useful and fun, quite damaging. So for example, I then, I did follow some interior design things because I moved into a flat, thought I had no taste, wanted, for the exact same reasons that you're saying, like, wanted to know what, what are the right ideas? And along with that, I feel bad, because obviously all of the things that I'm looking at are, or most

things you're looking at, it is a privileged thing. Like, it's, it's people who have a lot of money, a lot more space than I do, a lot more natural life than I do, and also own their house so they can do everything that they can. And I'm like, but I want to do that. And so I would feel just as bad as I felt inspired. So that's a great idea to do. I remember when I got my first ever bedroom, like me and my sister used to share a bedroom and then my family like converted the loft.

So then I got my own bedroom. And I really wanted my bedroom to be like Sabrina the Teenage Witch's bedroom. And so I just went like I just, you couldn't pause TV in those days. But just what? It's so sad. I don't know if you can believe it. We had no internet. If you missed it, you missed it.

Yeah, to look up on Microsoft and Carter and Sabrina the Teenage, which his bedroom was not on there. So, sad. It wasn't there. So I would watch it religiously and then, like, note down things that she had. So it was like, okay, so she's got like a cool black, like curly wireframe bed. Okay. And then I was like, Mom, I would like a bed like this. And then she bought like a cheap one from IKEA or whatever.

And it was like cool. And then my bedroom actually looked really cool because I'd done little things to make it look like I wanted it to. Getting it off film and TV is such a great idea. If you're ever watching a show and you're like, I want that room. It's a film set, so you can't feel bad about yourself, but great. No, exactly. And so obviously I can't have an entire plush Barbie Pink room with the sofa and all this.

Yeah, I can. But like, no, that involves having so, no, I can't. It had like one of those, like, you know, that really 80s thing of like a drop down, a bit drop down. You can't make that happen. Yeah. To a lower level. You can't make that happen, you know?

Like, that needs you to build that scrap. Anyway, like, there's loads of... The wall came away to reveal the television. I can't have all those things. Can I have just the Barbie Pink Dream phone? Yes, I can have little bits of the nice stuff. My other dream room is the room in Knives Out, the film. That his...

Oh, my God, you'll love it. In which case, no spoilers. But somebody does die. It's a murder mystery, so that's not a spoiler. but the study, the old man's study in the top of the house, like that is my dream room. And then it's okay to go back and Google that room, be like, okay, what is it about this that makes this so lovely? And he's got this like bookshelf that curves around an archway and stuff. So you're like, okay, like there are tiny bits of this.

Yeah, just like a tiny thing like a book who's curving around an archway. Like, just something very... Like, I can do... Achievable goals. Yes. No, I really agree with that. I had a real thing because I... the most obvious and basic millennial that's ever lived, the Gryffindore Common Room in the film of Harry Potter.

Obviously, that's a very hard thing to recreate when you live in like a new build. And it's not something that I would say is my aesthetic now. But for a while, every rental house I had would, there'd be some element to it. Like it would be like a cool stained glass like bedside lamp or something. But then you'd go in and be like, well, she's got, look, she's got a vibe. And it might not look good to be. me, but it makes me, it made me really happy. I was so happy. Yeah. Exactly. It's just about

being like, here are my little treasures and they make me happy and don't give one. If there's moment you start doing it for somebody else, you're like, they don't live here. What's the point in impressing some imaginary person from home and gardens who'll like come around and say like, this is nice. You know, but like, who cares? Like, if you like it, you like it. Right. Here's thing about Pinterest. It can be, firstly, the moment you start doing like, if you start putting like the word ideas or hacks or like that's, that's when you get into a minefield of like 27 categorically insane ideas. If you just put the word like bathroom in, suddenly you're just like shown lots of bathrooms. You know, like, okay, this is more achievable. And then once you see

anything that you're like, okay, that, I like that, I like this color or I like the, what they've done with the towels or I like, you know, something, something. If you, and a nice thing that Pinterest does, click on it below that thing will then be other things that look a bit like that. So now you're sort of into it. But if you do put ideas, that's when you end up in like the rope shit or like put a belt around a circular mirror and hang that from the ceiling. And then you're like, oh, no, no, thank you. So it's all about just looking at like a piece that's basically that you're just, you're looking at a room that is already completely put together. You're like, okay, how does this whole thing hang together.

Start making yourself a nice board one that says one's called like bathroom, one's called living room. And then something that can really help you if you feel completely overwhelmed is to make a board called no thank you and be like anything that you see that you absolutely hate or a color that you hate or a style that you hate, you can be like, okay, great, I know that I hate that now. So if someone, you know, if your vibe is Gryffindor Common Room, you know that you're probably not going to like brutalist minimalism, Stevie.

and so but you don't necessarily know that but you can be like oh okay I know that I don't like this or I really dislike like I weirdly really dislike art deco for no reason because yeah I thought it would be right up my street yeah interesting you'd think that be me but weirdly I feel very upset about art deco things um and also like a bit of Victorian chest don't care for Edwardian you know so like just like knowing where you're your vibe you can just feel a bit more confident knowing some things. Yes. And then also they're not,

something getting confused in the shop and being like, I guess that. And then you're like, no, I said I didn't like yellow. So just because,

yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So the moment that you know a few things that you don't like, it's basically like a menu and you're like, oh great,

I don't eat meat and I hate risotto. So what else is available? You know, you're just like, you're just closing down some avenues to you until you're like, and then the day that you discover

like there's a special word for a special thing that you like, you know, you're like, okay. Nice. I love bath feet, exactly. Or like being like, oh, people think I like steam punk, but I don't like steampunk. I just love cogs.

That's a really great one. Yeah. I just like cogs and the film, the Wild West with Will Smith. That's wild wild west. What a film. What a film. Yeah, and so if that is your aesthetic, be like, yeah, great, lean in. What are the things that make, what are the little tiny, is all that like the devil's in the detail shit?

Like, what are the little tiny things that make? this, you know, then make this suddenly feel nice. In terms of, like it doesn't, there are, you don't have to buy incredibly expensive stuff to make it look. No. Nice. That's a nice thing that I've found. Like the, so, I mean, obviously if you have a specific aesthetics, then charity shops

things like that cater often to, uh, some aesthetic loves more than others. But like, you can still find, if you go to, you know, a charity shop in like a posh area. People are throwing out stuff that is like new season business. So I think it's, I basically I've got a lot of stuff from charity shops and secondhand. And my boyfriend buys most things new. And so it's almost like a competition. And look, there's not much in it, if I'm honest. I've done just as well for very little money. So it's actually, yeah, it's quite good. And then you feel better when it's, when it costs a pound, you feel better to be like, okay, is this a thing that I like? And then be able to be like, oh, I actually.

actually hate it. You know, it feels it's a, you're able to be like more experimental with your taste and to try new things out if they're, you know, they came from a charity shop and they may return to the charity shop, you know, you can experiment so much with like, with color and paint and like a style if you've seen like a chest of drawers that you think is beautiful and it costs a thousand pounds. You're like, okay, is it just, do I just like that? Because it's such a lovely color. Can I recreate that with a, with a chest of drawers I got off gum tree and a, you know, a pot of paint. And if it's hideous, I can, I can paint it a different color. I can idea of making a mistake and like going, how do you, look, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you do you bow. Okay. What of my many treasures would you just go. That's amazing. Um, I would say something like, for example, I'm, I don't know, you've done this, but just like, oh, I've painted a wall, like, basically the fear of getting it wrong, not like, yeah, you know, yeah. Okay.

So, I have painted a lot of walls. And so, and this is something for when you rent. So two things about paint. One is, if you're renting somewhere and it's not a fancy new build, the chances are there'll be the paint that the living room is in, like somewhere under the sink or like somewhere, when they decorated it, they'll have left the paint there. And if you're feeling like overwhelmed by it, just like touching up some stains and touching up some marks and smudges and handprints and stuff will make you be like, oh, wow, this is a nice

space as opposed to feeling really round out. second thing is paint is actually really achievable doing like one signature wall or one like small strip of wall in your bedroom I used to do that all the time when I rented somewhere and then you can paint the white back over and nobody ever knows so that's the lovely thing about paint

and people say like oh my god you don't how did you get your deposit back like and I was like I promise you nobody ever knows you did it if you paint it back to the original I just can't even fathom like that dark kind of blue wall the idea that you would just be able to paint white over that and no one would notice.

In my head I'm just like, well, you'll be able to see through it. But that's insane. Honestly, that's an amazing thing about paint. Like, if you can cover anything back up again. If you have the original cover, and the original color is probably a version of white and your landlord isn't going to know. Like, you honestly can cover things up.

And then you just feel so much like, oh, wow, the world is literally my oyster here. Like, I can do anything with paint. The lovely thing about paint is, number one, it's you can if you're like that is absolutely horrible you can paint it a different shade like it will that is not irreparable you're not like dying a fabric or something where you've only got so many chances and and also you can get paint samples really really cheap like from i was going to say do it all which is now no longer a shop but wherever your local hardware store is you can get tiny

bits of paint try try things out see if that's the right color experiment with it and if it's a disaster yeah just paint it white again like just don't let it like don't panic if it's not right it's not right and it probably won't be. Like there's, you think something looks amazing. And then once you get it actually in your room with your light, with your shape, you'll suddenly be like,

oh, that's absolutely awful. Once you've had, like, if you've never like, if you've never, like, if you've never painted a wall,

then it's very overwhelming. But if you start by just like, painting over smudges and stuff, then you get like a bit of confidence of like, oh, nothing's happened. And then you can like have a go at another colour. Nothing's happened.

Yeah, absolutely. Like, I mean, I mean, I lived in a house that we were, my parents were basically like building from the moment I was born.

So there's always there's always like somebody fixing something and something that was always breaking. But I first started doing it myself when I got to university and we had tried to flip a bunk bed upside down or something in my first rental house.

And also that tells you everything you need to know. We were trying to save money by have, we bought a room that had a bunk bed in it. So anyway, we tried to flip it upside down. We ripped it through the wall basically because it was just like a cheap sheet. shitty, you know, that horrible plastery wall. And then we were like, oh, forget it. We've obviously lost our deposit. And I was like, I think I can fix this. And I did that like,

polyfactery foam stuff. Thank you so much. Polyfiller. And then I mixed, found the exact paint color and I mixed it by mixing two paint colors together and I covered it back up and we, we got away with it. And so like, that's, and once you have that sort of, you realize like, oh, this is, I don't have to be a professional person. I can actually just give this a go and it will be surprisingly achievable. It's not going to look exquisite. It's not going to be an amazing. you're not going to painting the Sistine Chapel, but you are like, oh, wow, okay. Suddenly I can do things. Good.

I've never painted a wall, so I'm terrified. Yeah, just to feel, yeah, no, and that's why I promise you. And I know that people are scared because everybody is like, what, you painted that? I'm like, yes, I'm not, if you look at the edges, you'll see it was not done by a professional. But like, it will, the paint wants to work for you. Like, it will do its job, you know, you will. So please, anyone who's like, I can't do that. You're like, yes, you can.

That's right. The other thing that I've found. Interesting is someone told me once is that they were like, if you're frightened or if you don't know what to do, just go for white. That's not walls. I'm talking about duvets. Talked about like go for,

just go for clean and white because then you can always build on that later. Whereas if you're like, because my thing is I'm really bad matching colour to other colours. And so student houses and stuff like that, always look very studenty because nothing matches, nothing kind of works. so it just looks like loads of people have thrown loads of things. But you can pick.

And that's why I like things like Instagram and Pinterest are very helpful because you can see how colours work together. Because there's like a colour wheel and you can pick. But then I find that doesn't really work for me. Because I'd be like purple. It's the opposite of that is yellow. And you're like, well, I'm not having purple and yellow. That's what you're awful.

So you kind of, you kind of need to see it in a room. So that's what, I suppose, why seeing completed rooms, like a bathroom. room and being like, I like the blue and the white. Oh, I like the, and then trying to go for that shade as much as you possibly can. So the room has a cohesion is obviously helpful. Absolutely. I think they'll also bring a load of colour in if you don't know where else to get it from. And again, if you're just renting, you can definitely replace those curtains.

Just stick whatever the landlord's curtains is under the bed or somewhere and get new curtains. They're not as expensive as you think. And suddenly you're like, oh, wow, brand new nice curtains in a color that I could choose. Like suddenly you're like, ooh, hello, am I the queen? And if you panic about color, a really interesting app is a game. It's called I Love Hugh, like H-U-E. And all you do is put squares of, the squares of color or like jumble up and then you like put them back together again in exactly the right order. it's so calming and satisfying

there's no jeopardy whatsoever and you base it's just really really nice to do but what it's also really been teaching me I think by accident is like what colours go really nicely together and it's been a really interesting way of doing because every time I've looked up a colour wheel exactly like you're saying you're just like oh god and that goes

with that does it but actually like seeing it and playing this game it's called I Love You, it's free a hard recommend very calming it has made me be like oh I think I think I get colour a bit of Great, and it's so much about, it's so much more about confidence than I thought it was. Like it's so, it's like I look at curtains and go, but how would I fit the curtain on the window that I have if I took those curtains? It's like, you just do it.

Like you just like that thing, you Google it, you find out it's fine. It's not some sort of like mystical art that only three people in their house do. It is something that everyone has had to Google or learn. You don't, you're not born being like, I. I can hang curtains, mother. Like you do, everyone goes through this. Exactly. So you might as well go through it now when you're having some fun decorating.

Yeah. Exactly. And you'll and you will do it wrong and you'll hang your curtains upside down. And then you will be like, oh, I get it now. My very last thing is, if you really can't do anything, whack a big bowl of lemons in the living room. And that's done. Boles of lemons. I'm telling you, it's the only decorating tip you need.

Yeah, it looks mad. but it looks like you've made a decision. Onion on the ceiling, bowl of lemons. What do you want from us? Yeah, we could sit at home and be like, oh, you should buy this thing or oh, you should really, but it's so specific to your living space, what you want it to look like, whether you're more Gryffindle Common Room, whether you're more Bauhaus, whether you're an art deco lady, but you don't know until you've done some hard research.

You don't know. Yeah. And then you're, yeah, and whatever it is is right. There is no such thing as bad taste. There is no such thing. There's no such thing. There's just such a thing as like, oh, she's into her 70s or, oh, she's into her some, like, insert name.

Like, it doesn't have, it's not like, oh, that's bad or that's good. Yeah, but exactly like what you wear, like, if you like what you like, if you like it and you wear it with confidence, like that's it. Like, that's it. Like, the time you arrived to record with a full neon pink ski suit because you were cold. And it's bad, it's all the happiest day of my life. about like as well not being frightened of like oh well i don't know so i just don't know and actually just dipping in going on pinterest it's not all rope track it doesn't have to be things about

ironing boards it really isn't don't put the word ideas in just put bedroom and just keep and just explore from there until you're like oh yeah let i like this i like this oh they've put that with that oh okay and then like cushions curtains rugs those are your ways to like try out color that can be easily swapped out if you're like, oh, that's absolutely, sorry, that's heaps. I don't know what I was thinking of. Yeah, unless you've poured wine on it. But fine. Do you take you back?

Yeah. And listen, you probably have. But listen, we believe in you and you've got great taste, babe. You've got great taste, babe. Do you want to tweet us or DM us or email us if you have ideas that you would like us to tackle for future. Nobody Panic Podcast episodes. There is no question, know how.

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