Nobody Panic - How to Have Your Covid Jab

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

Nervous about getting your vaccine jab? Tessa’s completed her volunteer vaccine course and Stevie quizzes her on everything she’s learnt in the hope it puts your mind at rest!Want to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The date is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace. It's coming to London. True on Saturday the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September at King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. deep panic, the podcast where we help you just sort of through some things and help you live without screaming all the time. I'm Stevie and I'm sorry, Tessa, but my co-host here has an absolutely excellent piece of news to share, which is forming the basis of this entire episode. Tessa, please. My news, my adult thing this week is that I have qualified as a volunteer year vaccinator to be part of the vaccine rollout program. So I finished my training, which was, it's been 20 hours of face to face and then 50 hours of online training. So we've done, I've done a bit. And then I start in a couple of weeks and I'll be in the, in the vaccine

centers. I'm very excited. Administering the vaccine. Administering the vaccine. Amazing. Yes. Yeah. We said it as my adult thing last time and thought we'd do an episode all about what I've learned and what the vaccine means and I know a lot of people are going to be getting their call up in the soonish future. So just to put anybody who's afraid for all kinds of different reasons about what it involves or needles or actually getting the injection or side effects or any of those things and hopefully make people feel a bit calmer and more confident about the whole thing. We had an email that I thought was really interesting. Molly emailed us. Hello Molly. Hello Molly. Now I'm probably going to mispronounce this. I think it's a triponophobia or

tripinophobia, which is a fear of needles. But she's saying here that if you had any tips or advice on this is around 10% of the population suffer with it. And as someone who would like to get the vaccine, but currently it just feels utterly impossible at the moment. Some advice would be amazing. And to be fair to Molly, when we did the episode last week and it was you, I don't think, the way that it was presented was very much like, ha ha, Tess is just going to be given a needle and she'll be jabbing it into everyone's arms. Like, that's not what is happening. What we've said to do and what we're really going to be very careful to do is to be really on. honest rather than dumb things down for comedic effect, which is what we tend to do.

That is our default. But Tesla has done, you've done a lot of, well, you've been trained fully. And of course, yes, having a fear of needles, but also wanting the vaccine, very, very difficult. Because obviously it's two, isn't it? So you've got your one, and then you've got your gap, and then you've got your second one. So that's very, very difficult. And also, before we get into it, I just want to make it really clear that we aren't, like, medical expert. I mean, I'm certainly, I know nothing, but we aren't medical experts. So,

Tessa, you'll be talking from your capacity as a vaccine giver rather than, you know, the World's Health Organization. Absolutely. If you're listening across the world, we are talking about the United Kingdom vaccine. I mean, I'm sure it's quite similar elsewhere, but we can't, we can't, we can't speak to that because we don't live there. So I'm going to ask you some questions. Yeah, And then hopefully when you go to get the jab, you're, because already when we were talking about doing this, there were things that I didn't know happened. And there were things that I've just really realized,

like, I don't, I've not had mine yet. And I don't, I've no really idea what to expect at all. I'm sort of going off the BCG. That's what I've sort of saying it as, which was something that was like probably one of the seminal moments in my childhood where everyone lost their minds. And it wasn't tech, like when it actually happened, it was nowhere near as bad.

is the, I remember age seven being told I was going to have it at 14 and being like, well, I've got seven years. And then as it got close, it was like, oh my God, we're going closer to the BCG Joe. And then seeing that, you know, like, oh, I'm not immune. I'm going to have to have it. And the actual reality was not as bad. As with most medical things, it's never as bad as what you think it's going to be or what you're imagining in your head, what was happening. So Tessa, tell us about the training. Tell us about what you learn and how you, tell us like your journey from just like a fun woman looking to help and maybe like entertain the crowds as they wait to go to go into the vaccine tent to being a vaccinator.

Thank you, Stevie, so much for asking me. Yes, so there are three roles you can do in the in the vaccine centres. You can do the meet and greet at the beginning, which is just signposting people and welcoming people and ticking people's name on a form and checking their ID. There's the actual administering the vaccine and then there's a 15 minute waiting area afterwards where people are just being observed just in case you have any side effects whatsoever which I must say are extraordinarily rare

but that happens with all vaccines you have to be observed just in case so those one of your three jobs and I just signed up to do a meet and greet and my type five in the queue and then it turned out they were like do you want to also sign up to do administer the vaccine and I like many people listening

were like sorry and anyone's just allowed to do that but actually you do so much training you really do understand exactly what you're doing. And because it is going intramuscular, which means it's just going into the top of your arm in your deltoid muscle, it is not a vein, it's not like going in a,

losing a drip, it's not any of those things, it's not something where you are. It is really, really hard for it to go wrong, basically. Yeah, I see. You're not looking for a tiny little bit in somebody's arm. No.

You're looking for, just the expanse of arms. arm, essentially. It's like you've got a whole arm. It's almost impossible. Like it really is, and as she says now, it's almost impossible, but like it is really very tricky for that to be, to do any, to be a problem for, like for you to mess that up in any way for somebody. Like, you're definitely, you're not doing any kind of, you know, if it was, you know, they wouldn't be letting, they wouldn't be letting people who, who, who weren't doctors do it if it was going into veins, if it was doing any of that sort of thing. It's because it's going into the muscle that they're

allowing volunteers to do it. But not, they're not, it's not just like rock up and be like, do you fancy a go. Like, you really do have to go through so much training to do it. You have to go through all these exams to understand what both of the vaccines, the components of the vaccine are, like how they're made, like how everything happens. And also, you aren't, you aren't putting the vaccine together. It's given to you in a syringe, like, you're only in charge of administering it. like it is, I just want to put your, any fears that like, anybody who's giving it to you will be a kook. Like, and I, and I, there's no kooks.

There's no kukes involved. You're not allowed to pass the exam, like if you behave like a kook. Or if you, no kukes here is what I'm saying. Like, people will, people will really, really know what they're doing. And I'm truly sorry, Molly, if I made you more worried about the whole situation. And it is going to be, it is so fine and it is really, people really, really know what they're doing. Well, you've been practicing, because I remember a few days ago, well, when you said that you had passed, I was like, did you practice on a melon? But you practice on a fake arm.

That's correct. Yeah. You get a, a, the specially made arm thing that's like designed made to feel like it's got all the right levels of skin. It's got all the right levels of muscle. It's got all the things that it feels exactly like a human arm. and it's there for you to practice like getting everything, getting everything correct. But again, like, because it's muscular, like, it is, it is tricky to do wrong, basically. So what do, what can people expect when they go to get their vaccine?

Like, how do you, firstly, like, how do you find your, do you know how to, like, how do you find your nearest vaccine place? Is it on the letter and everything? Absolutely. So, I've had mine now, everybody. You get a text saying, heads up, your, your, your, you're, you're, vaccine, you're due for your vaccine, and you think, oh, hello, very exciting. And so I was, I'm way too young, excuse me, it's so young to be so soon. But I was, because we were part of the vaccine, as a volunteer, a vaccinator, you have to go for it. And you get a text, it's been like,

follow this link, and it just tells you where your nearest vaccination center is. And some of them will be in sports halls or in town halls, or mostly they're in a official medical center. and you just say like, here's the list of all the possible times. When do you want to show up? You pick your time and off you go. And it's so unbelievably, because it is the NHS and because it is a volunteer rolled out program, because no one there is getting paid, it is so efficient and so well done. And everyone is smiling and it's really a lovely day out. And so there are people in high biz jackets when you get there. He'll say, have you got an appointment? You just join a little queue and in you go and you sign your name and they check you off on the list and then you go

into a little waiting area and then you go in and see your person in a little booth and if you know if you're concerned about any like going in and if you've been shielding for a long time you're concerned about going in it is so unbelievably COVID safe everything has to be changed between every single person who comes in like all your gloves absolutely everything it's we have to wipe everything down everybody who's been in there has been vaccinated so like it's it could not be a safer place to be. And also, if you are worried about getting it, you can take somebody with you. So you're allowed to have a, literally anybody can come and sit with you. There are two chairs in there. A therapy too can. A therapy too can, your emotional support dog. Like, anybody can come in

with you and hold your hand and be there. And that's absolutely fine. Are they aware that, I mean, I'm sure they are, but are they aware that people will be frightened of needles? A hundred percent. And a big part of it is about being, is, you know, helping to people to relax. and making sure that you put your arm, that you put your arm in your lap, so it's bent at an angle and that you don't, you know, because like trying to be as relaxed as possible, so your muscles aren't tense. And it's all about, like, chatting to the person and making sure everybody feels confident and calm, but also, like, that you don't, that this is not compulsory. Like, if you don't want to do it, you don't have to do it. And if you get there and it's

all too much, you can say, like, can I come back a different time? You know, like, there's nothing anyone can do to make you get this thing. So, like, you don't have to go through it. So don't feel it's like being, you won't at any point be like dragged through there and then like held down. Like if you say, or made to feel bad for crying or, no. Like I, when I sat in there and he was like, are you very nervous? And I was like, no, I'm really keeping it together and being very brave. And he was like, that's okay. Like, you don't have to, don't have to lie.

Like, it's scary. And then I was like, okay, okay, I feel nervous. And he was like, that's all right. We've got all the time in the world. Like, no one is rushing you. No one is going to force you out there. No one's going to force it to go too quickly. like it's not it's not going to be a sort of brutal regime it's it's for you it's your time is it over

very quickly it's over so unbelievably quickly i also and i wouldn't obviously i don't have um what molly has this horrible at phobia of them but it is i really like don't like them um and it is over so unbelievably quickly and apart from the bit where you can feel or honestly feel they say like it's a sharp scratch you don't feel anything else and i was like don't be absurd but you honestly it is the tiniest feeling of a honestly like your fingernail scratching your skin it isn't in a way that you know that's you know you're having some horrible invasive thing in your in the dentist or in your mouth or like some other area that you're like but i can feel it inside my body like you physically can't feel it and it's over it's so speedy and so quick that you'll be like oh it's done

that's honestly how you'll feel i found as well that so when i was young i don't know how old you are molly or anyone listening who has the fear of he doesn't and also as well. It's very difficult, isn't it? Because with, with phobias, all I want to do is say the right thing to make that go away so you don't have that feeling. Of course, there's nothing that we can say that hasn't been to said to you a million times. They are frightening. And I get very frightened when it's, I've had a situation where I've had like cervical smears and then they've been like, and now we're having a biopsy, you're going to have like a needle in your cervix. And you know that moment and it's like, oh, I, I, I, you just, it's a pure panic. Like, Covenance sweat. It is

terrifying. I've noticed really quickly, actually, that the needles, as it's gone on, as I've gone on living and having the odd needle, they've got thinner, finer, finer and finer and finer. We always form these memories, don't we, of experiences that we've had when we were younger, and already that technology has moved on. So it's not what you're thinking it is based on, you know, previous experience as being a child, is having your BCG, is having other vaccines or having jabs and stuff when, when you were younger. These things are designed to, to administer it as painlessly as possible. And it is, of course, it's the thought of them. But it's like, the moment you are engaged with what's happening, it's over. Yeah. The anxiety is a thousand times

worse than after it. You just, you built yourself up into this, you know, the fear of it all is just so completely overwhelming and all-consuming. And then actually when it's done, you're like, oh, Oh, the actual thing itself wasn't it. I mean, that's obviously how fear and that's exactly how phobia works. So it's unhelpful to be like, well, that's the bit. And you're like, yeah, I know. Also, if you are super scared, as soon as you get there, just say when you, the first people that you see when you're being signed in, just say, I'm really scared.

Like, I really don't want to do this. I'm here. I've shown up. I'm being as brave as I can, but I'm really scared. And they will say, no problem at all. So everyone's aware of it. and they'll say, like, let's make sure this person gets to see, you know, the most senior person or this person or whatever. Like, there are, even though there are volunteers there, they are outnumbered, significantly outnumbered by the number of doctors and HCP's healthcare practitioners who are all there, like, everything's under constant supervision.

Like, the volunteers are just there to, like, make the process move at speed because nothing has ever been done on this mass scale before. But there are so many people there. And if you are in any way nervous, there is, there are so many people to talk you through it. And, and also just to say, like, I'm nervous to be up to, then people will know to like, that you might need more time, that you want to go in this area, that you need to see this person. So, like, people are absolute, like, it's a really scary thing. And everybody's feelings are really variations of exactly the same level of, like, trepidation. So if you just tell them there and make sure you have somebody with you and know that, like,

you can spend as long as you need in there and it's going to be, and it's going to be. and it's going to be ultimately fine. I know this year has felt very people being very horrible to other people and people being afraid of everyone in the street and people, you know, a lot of sort of like, wear your mask, you're wanker. You know, there's been a, but that the actual vaccine centre will be maybe one of the nicest places you've been all the year. Like everyone is really jolly.

There's a real focus on like, on positivity and that no one should feel afraid and that, you know, And because people, I know, I say it, because people are volunteers, like there is just a very jolly, it's jolly in there, you know. Yeah. Also, as you know, I obviously do want to, you know, that there are reasons why people don't want to get the jab beyond having needles. But unfortunately, if you don't believe in vaccinations, I don't think we're able to convince you otherwise. So if you are listening being like, but vaccines, they're going to be putting 5G in my arm or a chip or it's just not safe or it is safe. We physically can't get the microchip into your arm. we simply don't have the skills. And if I may, we don't want to.

We don't need to get that microchip in you. Also, this is the thing, you don't need to because we're all tracking you on your phones anyway. Yeah, if you've got a telephone, don't worry about the microchip. Yeah, well, there is this fear, isn't it? And I understand it because when it first sort of became announced that the vaccine was coming and when it would be rolled out and it was going to be obviously very soon.

Even I, absolutely pro-vax, was like, oh, that feels some great. But there's been no other time in our lifetime where every scientist who could was working on the same thing. Like, of course, there's been, you know, lots of breakthroughs and stuff with other things. But they're like departments. This is every single scientist that could contribute did or tried to or wanted to. Exactly. So that's why it was fast, obviously. But of course, that doesn't help when, you know, we're living in an age.

of misinformation. Of course. It definitely feels scary and definitely every reasonable person has been like, what? Already we've got one, have we? But it is exactly the TV says, like there has never been a time like this in history in which everybody has been working on something at the same time and being able to like share information to be, you know, doing it at speed like this. And also the clinical trials, the phase one, phase two and phase three of the trials that again, I know people are concerned, hasn't had time to happen. have been happening concurrently as opposed to one after another, which is what has allowed the program to be speeded up.

It's simply that that like corners haven't been cut. It's simply that like money was there to support research, to support science when people said like, I need more cash for this or I need more volunteers or I need more support instead of the government being like, no, we're busy with something else. There's always something else to do, isn't there? There's something else to do. Whereas literally every government in every country said, yeah, here it is.

Here's everything that you need. And so what we're seeing is just what science is capable of when there is complete global support of something. So if that is your concern. Right. So imagine if we've sort of put our collective minds to something with this much effort and we put money and support and all of those things behind it. But listen, not important. I mean, back to the actual vaccine. Back to the actual vaccine.

Is it anything more that you would like to tell us about the process or do you want to move on to what happens after? afterwards, how it felt, like when you were having it or, you know, whatever, anything. When it had a lovely chat with Mike, my vaccinator, and yes, you just feel it like a tiny little scratch. And I know it sounds like I'm making something bad sound less than is, but I'm being like, it's just a tiny little scratch and then it's over. Like, it's nothing. And then you're like, a tiny little scratch that bitch. But like, it really did just feel like this, you felt the skin, but then you didn't feel anything else. I was, I genuinely said, what, and that's it, is it? And then I didn't come, I'd walk there, so I didn't have to come,

I didn't have to sit in the observation area because I didn't drive or I didn't, I didn't drive the car, didn't come on a bike. And so I was signed off and I went home. And then they do say that there may be some, you may not feel great in the 24 hours afterwards. And that's not been hugely publicised. But I think it's good to know that it might be absolutely fine. It might feel absolutely nothing. Yeah, my mum felt absolutely, she had a slight ache on her arm. That was it. like she didn't feel bad at all which I thought was really interesting because I think did you say that you had some yeah and my and equally like my dad uh absolutely nothing felt golden my mom uh in bed for 12 hours so like it's and they had the same shot at exactly the same time and so it really just affects different people in different ways and

I was like oh I'm absolutely golden and then at midnight I got it at sort of I got it at 12 o'clock so 12 hours later at midnight I was like oh my Lord. And it really came out of, it came, it came on very fast and it also leaves very quickly. It felt like had a terrible headache and very sort of feverish and hot and cold and basically had to like go to bed for a while. But then it just sort of felt like a terrible, terrible hangover, basically. And that is, that's really good to know because I think if I, if I, if I'd have had it, the idea that I could have had it and then been like, and then 12 hours later felt like that, I would have been like, oh my God, I'm dying. Oh my God, I'm dying. Exactly. like, oh my God, if I hadn't seen, known my mum sort of went through it and therefore what

happened to me, I was like, yes, I feel, you know, when she was sort of video calling me from the bed and looked like a piece of paper, I was like, yeah, I feel like you looked then. And then I also saw you like bound out of bed 12 hours later, but like, that's done actually. So like, if I hadn't known that I would have been much more concerned. So I do be aware that it might happen. And also that it really will pass. Once you write through it and then it'll just like go very quickly. And you'll be like, I can't believe how ill I was, like, an hour ago. It's literally your T-cells learning to fight something. So, like, your whole immune system is, like, much in the same way that the country, the world

scientists have all been focusing on this. Everything in your body is also focused there. And so they're like, oh, God, I haven't got time for anything else. So taking a day off, what you're doing and not pushing through is probably very important, isn't it? If you need to go to bed, if you feel, if you don't feel, even if you feel like a little bit, it'll treat it like you. you know, treat it with respect because it's your body learning to fight.

So give it all of the resources it can possibly get rid of everything else. So your body can focus on it rather than being like, no, I've got to do some PR, some marketing in my job. No, to have a day off. Just be like, plan. Because you can, yeah, just be like, this is when I'm getting my vaccine and then say to work, you know, I'm taking this day off. I've just had the vaccine.

And, you know, and if it doesn't happen, if there's no side effects, listen, you got yourself a free day. If it did, you're ready to hunker down and go to bed. But there's absolutely nothing to worry about. And a real concern is that if you feel sick, how will you know that it's the vaccine side effect rather than actually that you've got COVID, very reasonable. The symptoms will be completely separate. And what you're experiencing is this sort of feverish thing of your body's immune system,

just going into overdrive, attempting to fight something. It's not, you haven't got COVID. So if it doesn't, is there a period of, is there a cutoff point where, so say, for example, if the symptoms continue beyond a certain time? Three days. Three days. Okay. So if it's still awful after three days, then you can then take yourself back to the doctors. But before, up until that point, it's like, yeah, you probably just have any, your body is fighting and you're not having a great time. But there's absolutely nothing to worry about. Great. I mean, it's very helpful. It's very helpful hearing about it from somebody who has not only had it, but also. so is doing it. Is there anything else to add? I think if you are worried,

firstly, that my email, if you have any questions genuinely, more than happy to answer them, come and find me on Twitter or email in, happily answer anything. And the other thing is that, like, if you truly are worried about it for any of the different reasons,

you could always sort of go through what I've been through and sort of go through the, not the full process, but, you know, there is, of so much volunteer information out there. And once you sort of take this sort of online learning, and as soon as you sort of start to understand it,

everything becomes so much clearer and less scary and more like, and more achievable than you think like, oh, okay, yeah, I really get it now. And it's not this sort of inconceivable thing. You're like, okay, I really, I understand the science. I really, I really get all of this. So if the unknown is the part that's scary, then I truly recommend that.

I truly felt that the NHS is like the online learning portal. Every single, every page, I was like, oh wow okay like that's been explained clearer and better than like anything i've seen in the news you know certainly better than i've seen on you know my uncle's facebook page you know like it's interesting because still that's been the main source of information no it was just everything is like sort of so clearly explained and laid out in a way that i think what i would genuinely recommend you don't actually have to do the volunteering bit but if you wanted to ever just to sign up to access that just to be like okay this is really there's so much here there's a wealth of information yeah

So arm yourself with information. Also as well, like, relax. I know it sounds absolutely pointless thing to say, but anything that you know that you can do to help yourself relax, do it. Like, you know, all hands on deck. And don't worry if you're tense or if you're nervous because people are nervous. They are trained to vaccinate people who are frightened about being vaccinated.

And also, it's so great if you want to be vaccinated, but you're frightened and you still, if you end up going and doing it, that's such a great, it's a great thing that you're doing. Like, it's a really good thing that you're doing, despite the fact that you are, you are frightened. And I know that, you know, having phobias of needles and having to have a needle is, it's unthinkable. And it's, it's, it's, it's scary. But if you can do it, you know, it's a really good thing to do. And as you said, Tessa, the process of actually having it, it's not like, it's not a, on the scale of things, it's not a particularly bad needle.

there are worse, you know. Oh my God, there's worse. Yeah. And yeah, really helpful to know about the possible after effects as well. So, you know, if you can, get it in, get it in your arm. Yeah. And don't worry, there aren't just people off the street. Like these people, like Teta has been trained.

She's been given a fake arm, for God's sake. Listen, I'm so good at that fake arm. And the government can't chance this rollout being bad. If it's one thing they're done right. No, exactly, and they're doing it right because the NHS is in charge of it. Like, it's, they are not taking any chances here. They are taking this so seriously. Our training was so rigorous and intense.

And also I was just thinking there was a case study in one of our things about, you know, people being nervous about somebody who, it can feel worried, the bit that can feel overwhelming is that you're sat in the sort of waiting area and then your number gets called. And now you have to get up and walk into this scary thing. And, you know, and the sort of walking into your booth was felt very overwhelming. and this person in the case had he felt they couldn't, you know, just couldn't, was sort of frozen to their seat. And their healthcare practitioner came out with the stuff and said, face that way for me, just don't even look, don't look at anything. You just stay over there. And, you know, and then got it done without the, you know, sort of without them even. That's the thing about the walking to it, the anxiety of it, the sort of looking at the stuff.

You know, it's perfectly possible. Someone just comes out and it's like, no problem. Look at the wall. You don't even have to know what's going on. I don't want to see anything. I think it's very helpful as well. So when you go in, you can be like, I just, I just, I just, can't see anything because then because some people do want to see stuff and also is like I've had sometimes when I've had stuff done and they're like so this is what we're doing it's like I literally don't like I don't want to know yeah what what is going where so that if you can't visualize it then it's a lot easier and they're all and when you do do when you do when you do when you do when you do when you do when you do when you do when you do when you do when you do when you do

like the things are there for you like this is very this is such a sort of human focus thing like people everybody gets everyone's just a person like trying trying to go through a scary process like people are there's so much compassion there and also when you do go and sit in your little booth and meet mic or whoever you get is your person everything that looks scary is away from you it's in tupperware it's in drawers it's like you can't actually see anything so you can sit down and then say hello mike and now i'm going to turn this way i don't want to see anything like just you get you do your job i want it in this arm choose the arm by the way that you don't write with and say please you just do your thing i'm going to shut my arm

and look over here. I'm going to put my hands in my lap, clasp them. Do some good breathing or distracting of yourself? Wobble my arms around. So they're... Ask Mike some questions just about his day, about how he's doing, nothing about the actual process. Just chat to him. If he knows, if they know that you are nervous, they will chat to you. All of those things that, you know, you have to do when you're frightened of needles, you have to do them every time. So this point must be like, you know, I was going through them because you know yourself what helps you and what does. Well, thank you so much, Tessa. That was so, I'm very illuminating.

Well, I hope so. I hope it puts people's fears at ease. When do you start? I start in two weeks. So it's all going to really, it's just really ramping up because people are going into their second doses and they're sort of like rolling out. They've done the elderly, they're really cracking through it and now, you know. It's the incredibly young people like myself and you. The incredibly young are coming in now, the absolute babies. babies. They're like you and me. So I hope some of that is helpful. Please genuinely do get in touch with me if you want any more questions answered. Yes, it's Nobody Panicpodcast at gmail.com or

at Tessa Cope's on Twitter or at Nobody Panic Pod if you want to just do the Nobody Panic one. Instagram you won't check. So I'm not saying that because what people are like desperate? No, don't give it a go. I'm at Steve. I'm at see the MBSs as a five, but don't message me any questions about the vaccine because I can't help you. But yeah, thank you so much. I thought that was interesting and I found it really helpful and it's nice sometimes to do things that are incredibly relevant. We'll be back next week with some more business. See you next week, everybody. Or maybe see you at the vaccine centre. Oh my God. It's so funny. Bye.