Nobody Panic - How to Load the Dishwasher

Episode Date: August 3, 2021

Stevie met two girls in the toilets in a bar and she *thinks* that as she was leaving they requested 'How to load the dishwasher' as an episode. On reflection, she's open to the idea that they said literally anything else. Either way, here it is! The most hotly contested of all household tasks, Stevie and Tessa learn how and crucially why, you have to load the dishwasher a certain way, what the purpose is of salt, why you have to use rinse aid, and where to put your plastics. Listen, it's a corker this one!Want to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true, Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Welcome to Nobody Panic, the podcast, where we take just really expansive, complex topics, and we just break them down really simply into a how-to, you know, how to be confident, how to take rejection, how to use the dishwasher. Here it comes. This is perhaps our, this will be, I think, one of our defining podcast episodes. On Maglomopus.

This, thank you so much. That is the word I was searching for in her family found. This is how to load the dishwasher from one person who has never ever had a dishwasher. Not when I was growing up. That's me. Not when I was growing up either. I think that is a big part of the problem. If you weren't raised with one, you're inherently quite afraid of it. Because it's always going to other people's houses going like, and then, and now I don't have one now.

And from your side, Stevie, none as a child, but now. I do have one. And I've, look, I don't want to brag big up my own horn. But I've had one for nigh on four years now. Have you? So the reason that we're doing this, by the way, is that, and hello to you, if you're listening. I did a show the other day.

Two girls came up. One was called Meg. Hello, Meg. And I've forgotten the name of the second lady. Both were absolutely lovely. At this point, I'd have three wines and not eaten since like 1pm. So, you know, yes, I went on stage and immediately dropped my wine on the stage. That's what I did.

And that's, you know, that's the level. And that's why I can't remember the name. But they said, both of them were like, oh, could you do how to load the dishwasher? And then they both said, you won't remember this tomorrow, which shows you what state I was in. And I thought...

But she has remembered. Look, it's either going to go one of two ways. The first way is going to be a lovely, charming episode. We're going to, I've got a lot to emotionally unpack about dishwashers. And then we've also got some absolutely cracking tips. Or it's going to be absolutely baffling. but what a lovely way to spend 40 minutes in this current climate where everything is terrible. Why not?

Meaningful and scary and the news is awful. If you are a washing, sorry, I keep confusing. If you're listening and you're a dishwasher, you're going to love this one. I keep confusing the word dishwasher and washing machine. So it's a strong start out the gate from me. If you are a dishwasher fan and you love it and you've got your own special ways, I suspect you're going to absolutely hate this episode. But stick with us, if only to enjoy saying, that's not right.

Here we go. Plowing in. Before we jump in, though, let's do what we do every week where we swap the most adult thing we've done this week. I mean, I feel like I've already said mine. You know, I did a show and dropped wine and made up an episode, but I've got another one. I think yours is fantastic. What's your adult thing? Yours is very good.

Mine is I have been, this actually isn't the adult thing, but I've been going to the gym. Thank you. That should be your adult thing. I know. You're not really a gym. No, I don't. I don't. I don't, but I've been going.

And on the return from the gym, I walk through Ridley Road Market. And if anyone knows and loves Ridley Road Market, or just imagine literally any market, it is very much a sort of 100 bananas for a pound, 100 strawberries for seven pence, like everyone just shouting. Are there fruits in bowls? Fruits in bowls. Fruits in bowls,

tipping the fruit into a little brown bag for you, real market stuff. And I went through a few times. And then I was like, these are very reasonable prices. So I was like, yeah, blow me down, yes, please. I was taking all this fruit home. Then I was just leaving it on the counter.

that's what you do with fruit. Leaving it out, all my strawberries were barely lasting the hour. Then I had to throw all the strawberries away. So what I was basically doing was paying to be a waste disposal service for the market. Yes. This happened on two occasions. I was like, this is unsustainable. Now I go to the gym.

I buy my substantial amount of fruit and vegetables from the market. I under five pounds. And yet I'm weighed down with fruit. I get home. I take the green heads off the strawberries, chop them up, put them in freezer bags, Stevie. No. Yes.

Then I put them in my freezer. I store them in my oven. Then I leave them on the counter. But now they're in a bag. That's really good. No, I put them in the freezer. I feel, honestly, when I'm doing it, I feel like a Kardashian or something when they're like,

do you let me show you how I like pack my fridge? They often go to the market. They famously go to Riddle road market. No, but there is a move on the internet for like late and, you know, not to be heteronometric, but it mostly as ladies. Like packing in a way that like looks exquisite but not really sustainable. Like Chloe Kardashian's Oreo pots is what I will say to you. If you wish to Google that in your own time, that's up to you. Not you, Stevie, not you.

No, we haven't got time. So, okay. Yeah. You've put them in the freezer. Yeah. They're frozen. We need to defrost them. Do they not go wet and soggy? They're going straight into my smoothies.

Okay. Now we've got to the real knob. The smoothie is already cold. What the hell is Chloe Kardashian doing with those Oreos in that jar? Yeah. Why is she done? That is a woman. That is the definition of a woman with too much time I have. Because the thing is, they don't eat them. That's the main issue. Okay. So at this point, if this is new to you, you will have to pause the podcast and Google Chloe Kardashian's Oreo jars. and return to us.

Everyone did it when you said it. It was too exciting. They were already. They were already gone. In which case, welcome back, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Stevie, what's your adult thing? You know what?

I'll just come out and say it. We've been taking my puppy, Piper, to Poppy classes with a very, very kind, but also a very staid Turkish man. And it's Piper and then like loads of other puppies. And it's really nice, but for the most part,

it's just been me being like annoyed at how, how good all the other puppies are. And also just being like, oh, yeah, all right, cool. Like, you've got one of them cool treat pouches and I've got a bin bag, like, and I'm always late and, and pipe-po-werews drinks from all the other dogs water bowls. Anyway, the last one was the week and she was by far the best. Stop, stop. I was so, she went and said hello to all the puppies, but in a very nice measured way.

She did all of the tricks, all of the, she, and in fact, on the way from the, tube to the Victoria Park where we take her. The trainer, he like followed us from the tube and was like, I've been watching you're walking. I hope he doesn't listen because he doesn't sound like that. I've been watching you're walking and Piper walks so well. She's improved so much. She's incredible. And he was a little bit like, um, Piper's naughty and now he loves Piper. And so I felt like, redemption. I guess the feeling is redemption. And it's being like, the hero's journey from school. And it's like, I've got an A and you're like, yeah. When they all told him that you couldn't get an A. Yes, exactly. So she got an A and being a dog. And he was like, you should maybe bring her to the, I do another class, which is like agility.

Essentially like crusts training. It's not cross. It's like, you know, fly ball and all that. He's like, she'd be really good at that. So my dog's going to be a fucking flyball champion. Okay. That's what I'm going to say. I will be so excited for your journey into insane show dog parent. What you do have to do is you have to have a very solid merch, which is pictures of your own dog all over you. and you have a team of like 12 people that all turn up at once with things like, Pipers' pals on the front of it. And then you just scream. Obviously, we'll be working something along like the Pied Piper, obviously.

That's so much better than Piper's Pals. That's why I'm in merch and you're supposed to be throwing the ball in the rings. Listen, I'm so excited for you. I cannot wait to be front row wearing my Piper T-shirt at Crofts. We go on a fly ball. Okay, see you next week. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh, no, sorry.

Do stick around because now I'm going to tell you how to put dishes in your dishwasher. Right. Cracker of an episode. Okay. Okay. So let's begin with your emotional feelings on the dishwasher. They're strong. As we've discussed, it didn't really grow up with a dishwasher.

Actually, I grew up with, and I don't know if this is a northern thing. The plastic bowl in the sink and then you do the dishes in the sink with the plastic bowl. And I know this because this is a contentious thing because some people do wash their dishes. And there's no plastic bowl. It's just nude sink. That means we feel sick, but I don't know why, because there's nothing wrong with it. So, yeah, this is a thing, and I, and already the bile is rising. It's like, because this is that.

So my family, no nude sink, no dishwasher. My grandma, bowl in the sink. Grandma lives in North Wales. Grandma was from the north, born and raised in Lancashire. The bowl for me was like, what the fuck is this bowl? Like, what is the point of the bowl? Because you're just making a smaller sink within the sink? In the north, we don't like large vast spaces.

Keep it as small as you can. So I, and I think that is something that it's a real, if you grew up with one, you think a nude sink is horrible. And if you didn't, you're like, what the fuck is this bucket? Although you were, you were, reping for the non-dischwashers folk in Oxford. No, I don't know why we didn't have a dishwasher. I think it's that.

You've got an arger, but you don't have a dishwasher. That doesn't make any sense to me. It does. That's actually very on brand for the, like, rural community, you know? dishwasher is fancy. That's for fancy folk. But Arga isn't fancy. It ain't fancy.

It's like, it's like, that's for the, it's, yeah. I know. It's for the farmers. Because on, I was like, when I met with Arga, I couldn't, I was like, is it, I remember thinking in my head, is it all hot? Yeah, and it is all hot. I touch any bit of it. Yeah, and it is.

Yeah, everywhere. It will hurt everywhere. That's the thing. It's very, it's very confusing. But a dishwasher for some reason was like the, A dishwasher to me was like people who had cans of coke in the fridge. Like that was the fanciest thing I could possibly imagine. Yeah.

So I don't know why we didn't have one. And then I think it's that like, there was like, oh, the glasses all come out all cloudy. And, you know, this sort of like, your glasses don't feel nice when they've come out. Listen, we're going to get into it. Right. There was a lot of, there was a lot of, oh, you got to clean it before you put it into. Right. So that's the thing.

My dad said a lot. Yeah. Yeah. As a teenager, I remember seeing it like, so my auntie had one. I remember being like, so we have to come. completely rinse the plates in the sink, almost as if we carried on for four more seconds, we just would have done it.

And then we put each one in this thing, and then we leave it for four hours, and then we have to come back. What if we just did it? It's really loud. And it's so loud. What if we just did it quickly and it's done? What if we just carried on doing the washing?

Anyway, right. How are we so excited about this? No, I was going to throw a curveball question. Yeah, really quick, which was, when do you think the first dish wash? Oh my God, that's my favorite question. Yeah. Was registered for a patent. 1896.

1850. Oh. But you went 18. See, I would have said like 1884. I would have been like so soon. I only know because I know whenever the patent things come up. It's always like breathtakingly far. Like the fax machine.

The fax machine was Abraham Lincoln time. Like it was so. God. Yeah. It's that's why. But even then I was still impressed. 1850. Good job. It had a hand cranked rack.

system. Perfect. There was another patent that was granted in 1865, hand-cranked rack system. And what was great was that there was, yeah, so the first one, the first patent, the dishwasher was made of wood and was cranked by hand while water spread onto the dishes.

And then the other one was, it had a hand-cranked rack systems. That was where the rack was introduced. And it's described as neither device was practical or widely accepted. But also I bet once you're cranking that thing round, you're like, if I'm using this much effort, why don't I just wash the bloody dishes? It's a full body experience rather than just a hand experience.

Right. This is much worse as I put my crank around. Thank you. Thank you. That's lovely. I've gone down a rabbit full of how they actually work. There is a number of, I thought, I was reading about it and I was like, I don't really get this. So I googled video inside a dishwasher.

I thought there'd maybe be like one with, you know, a few hundred views. Who else is going to watch this? there was hundreds and they had an average of nine million views. So clearly this is a thing. And once I started watching, all the calm meditation apps kept coming up as adverts. So clearly this is a thing people watch for a soothing experience. So if you've ever on a hot day, been to one of those, or a cold day, truth be told, one of those like a large square in a town and then they've got like a little waterfall jet things and like kid toddlers like run up and down them like, when will the jets start? and like that sort of thing and the jets go straight up.

That's what's happening inside your dishwasher, but those jets would knock a toddler down. They are, they are strong. And so it's those jets are coming up, plus they're rotating. So it's like a rotating arm of, like something spraying a crop field or something like that. And they're all coming up at the same time. And then there's a rotating one from the top as well coming down. And the jet spray is very, is very hard.

Like you're putting your finger over the end of a hose pipe. like you it's trying to like blast off the food and the stuff on things and I think and it so even though I knew that you weren't supposed to put stuff up the right way up like just a bowl just like up right absolutely I knew you weren't supposed to do that but actually seeing it I was like okay I see I understand why more you know that like everything has to be upside down I mean obviously so everything can like run off but it's because these jets need to like get at everything and also the sort of don't overstack the dishwasher, which is something people shout at you. I was more like...

Everyone shouts. Because I was like, who cares? Just throw it all in. What's the problem? But now I see it is because these jets of water have got to get individually into the things. And if everything is too stacked together, the jets can't get in so nothing can watch. And as often with life, if people are shouting you a thing and you're like, but if you don't understand why, you're never going to, you're never going to listen and you're just going to

keep on doing it your way, you know? No. And also the thing about and the reason that I have such an emotional problem with the dishwasher is because when I moved in with my boyfriend, that was the first time I had a dishwasher, and he's had a dishwasher his whole life. And I think this is the thing. People have their way. But then they get quite like weird about.

And so, case in point, my sister's boyfriend does this thing where he puts all of the cutlery, in a little tub for your cutlery. He puts all the knives together, all the spoons together, all the forks together. So then when you're, you know, taking it out, you just pick them all up and put them in your draw. You don't have to be like sorting through them like I do. Let's seamlessly move ourselves to what should be happening with your cutlery because, and this comes from ideal home, readers digest, dishwashers.com. So this is the out and out that is that if you do exactly that, which seems so obvious, like put all the forks together, and then I just pick them up and I put them in the fork drawer.

Then they will do something called nesting, which is when they get, so close together. So like literally spooning, you know, everything's so tucked together. And what can't happen? The jets of water can't get through. So you need to mix and match up your cutlery. They need to be separated. And then they're like, handles up or handles down. Mennem-mm-uh. Issue. And again, I'm saying, because it feels very like a very contentious. You go to someone's house and if you put your things in one way, the owner of the house comes around, like very passive, aggressively, like does it differently. And that's the thing. It drives me insane. That's why there's such, the issue, the dishwasher is such a hot, hot topic.

We just, we won't be told. It makes you feel like a child. It's someone telling you. If you haven't grown up with a dishwasher, also as well, you may have grown up with a dishwasher and your parents start it one way and then you're moving with someone else and then they suck it a different way. And then you're like, but I like stacking it this way because I've always done it like this way and they're like, no, but this is actually technically better.

And then it doesn't matter. It's like it's a personal preference and we've all just got to live, live with that. But I think it's something that among couples and among flat modes, I think it is a point of contention. And I think you've just got, you've got to commit to stacking it your way, if you want to, but less than someone else stack it their way. And okay, unless they're stacking it's so poorly, no, no, no, it's like a disaster. It's got to be just, I think the thing just has to be like, let people stack the dishwasher poorly, you know? Yeah, but what if someone puts like one pan in and then puts the dishwasher on? Like, what would you do in that in a situation?

The thing is, so when we're like, why would you tell me off for my way, I got it done? And we're like, my way is fine. That must be how, when people looking at us, the one pan person, must be how we feel looking at a one pan person. And we're like, oh my God, oh my God, I have to say something. Okay, listen, everyone find your way through in your own way, but no one is right and no one is wrong, except for don't nest your cutlery and don't put your one pan over the jet of water and a number of other doos and don'ts that we're about to tell you now.

So the handle up and handle down thing I haven't finished, this is such a, such a, such, an issue one, the handle up or handle down. So, but everybody does. So, oh, and also cutlery, we don't do silverware and stainless steel at the same time. Ideally, you should just, yeah. So ideally, you should just wash, if you have silverware, you should just wash your silverware by hand, ideally. I don't think I know what silverware is.

This is a real moment for me. So when you put like, in with, there are three types of cutlery, roughly, stainless steel, silver plated and. silver. Oh, I don't think I've ever seen a silver fork. So I think that's, that's fine. You probably have. Not a silver one, but a silver plated one, you definitely have. Silver plated is like, one in your house that is a bit fancy and has like a fancy trim and like, looks a bit, maybe it has like an initial on it or something. And you maybe got it from like a car boot cell. And you're like, my name is S? And there's a one with an S on it. That sounds like you've done that.

But I think I've given you some. That's why I'm, that's why I'm confident. Lovely. Well, I've got the forks that you gave me. Yes. Yeah. So like that might be silver plated, not actual. silverware, silver, pure silver. And then stainless steel

is just like a completely run of average looking. Your average. I think I thought when people say get the silverware

out, they meant stainless steel, it's the color of silver. That's just a word for any fork. It is.

Now I see that actually people do have silver cutlery. Obviously the silverware does mean the actual silverware. But if you were at

someone's house and someone's dad was like, get the silverware, that just means the cutlery. Does it necessarily mean

go into the attic and get grandmother's silver, you know? But there is actually, people do have grandmother's silver and it is actually silver and you're eating a knife and a fork, there's silver, and then you shouldn't put that in with your stainless steel. Or you're stained, or you're silver plated. Right. If you're not thinking, you've probably got like a man washing dishes for you anyway called like,

you know, Jane Kim's. We're ignoring silver silver, that definitely shouldn't go. But silver plated and stainless steel should not technically go in together because putting two different types of metal in contact in a humid, wet environment is the perfect recipe for corrosion. So this is why your metal, thank you. That's why you, it's why your metal wear might come out, you know, not looking its best out of the dishwasher. It's because you have put in two many different types of metal. And that's, it's got upset. The handle down thing is, especially for knives, obviously handle down, safety, safety, safety, you know. Oh, handle up. Handle up. Handle up. Blade down.

Blade down, sorry. Blade down. Blade down. And also, it's supposed to, like, drip all the way down it rather than drips running the length of it. The drips are sort of, it's ideally it should go handle down so they drip down. Also, I think it's gross, flicking the stuff up onto yourself to put it down, blade up, you know?

Yeah. Don't do it. So handles to the top, please, everyone. Don't put wood, cast iron, fine china, crystal. Get your crystal out of there, for God's sake, Stevie. Or hand painted dishes into the dishwasher. These are for hand. So when you buy like a nice little, for example, say you like went to a market and there was

this little hand-painted bowl and you thought that would be really great. Crisps and you've got it. And the person you do a podcast with comes around and you go, do you want some crisps? And they go, good Lord, Stevie. For example. Did that happen? You have one of those. Yes.

Did I like it? And you went, oh, that's just look at that bowl. Like it was great. I felt really good. Then you put in the dishwasher and then all the paint comes off. Like say that happens. Say it's devastating. It's devastating.

So I think if in doubt. it's because those jets are so strong. They would knock a toddler down. So of course they are going to knock the paint off your fine china. They're going to break the fine china in there. That's the thing about the washing, the dishwasher is that you do feel like it's just like, well, it just goes in and then it's gently sort of sutted

and how different is it just me doing it with my hands? Very, very different, completely different, very dangerous, very hard experience in which a water pressure needs to mimic you, the power of your hand, getting the food off there. Like, of course it's going to be, Of course it's going to be strong.

It's going to be serious business. I think it would be prudent for me to talk about rinsade and salt. Please get on there. Literally three days ago, I went to live the dishwasher and my boyfriend said, oh, I need to rinseade. And I said, what's that? So this is four years in. I have never once, didn't know that you had to do it.

He's just been quietly doing that whenever it needed it because he loves the dishwasher. This is the thing. He's now explained it to me. Now I understand. We live in it. We live in an incredibly hard water area where like everything is covered in lime scale. It's like it's everything. And so the salt goes in and I just, well, you show me out.

Looking at it, the salt goes in the bottom. All dishwashers are different. We have to like pop a little thing out and you pour it down there. And the salt helps to soften the water in hard water areas. You don't have like loads of shit all of your dishes. All of your dishes. And then the rins aid, I didn't realise this, but it changes the consistency of the water so that when you, you know, like you open a dishwasher, this is the thing that always got me, actually, open the dishwasher. You're like, why are there no droplets of water on anything?

And they dry really quickly. You don't really, that's what's great. I don't have to, like, dry them off and just sort of like take them out. The rinse aids changes the consistency of the water so that it kind of just like blears off. It's literally aiding the rinse. Oh my God. This is like when my sister said, a suit. case, a case for your suit. And I couldn't, and it was like I'd taken a hit from a bong. I could

not deal with it. It's like I'd taken a hit from a bong. Okay, it helps water rinse off the dishes. It does this by reducing the surface tension of the water, meaning it sticks to surfaces less easily and can drain and therefore evaporate away. And as such, it helps prevent watermarks to help your glasses come out sparkling and crystal clear. Rinse Aid is key. If you want to, want great drying results, although not as fundamental as dishwasher salt as general upkeep. The sodium in dishwasher salt combines with resin balls in your dishwasher's workings to absorb the hardness of the water. Oh, the resin balls have a negative atomic charge and the dishwasher salt has a positive atomic charge. Oh, my God. The neutralizes it. The calcium and magnesiums,

whoa, the calcium and magnesium swap the sodium ions, removing the hardening, and, and, and softening the water. So when the resin ball sodium stores are exhausted, so it comes with built-in sodium stores, you need to add dishwasher salt so they can absorb more. Who knew that so much was going on? Literally just thought there was some water spurting out. That was it.

Right? But it's not there's so much. That's why the thing, it took them from 1856 to now to perfect the dishwasher. You know, it's a good process in there. And that's what the hard water can cool, the glasses become cloudy over time, as well as clog up the inside of your dishwasher

with Linescale. Lime scale is my issue. May I also say that one thing I did do is that I switched everything in the flat to like eco-friendly stuff. So dish-witted tablets and things like that and detergent and everything. Very, very bad for plant life, very bad, for the fish, very bad, for the world. Full of chemicals. Very bad chemicals. In fact, I think a lot of them actually say on the back and little things, this is fatal to marine life.

You're like, oh, God, right. You've just said the quiet part out loud. for full, yeah, right? They have to say, and then it says, for full ingredients, log on to this very difficult website and put in this code. We're not going to print the ingredients. You have to find them. I found a very, in fact, I think they got in touch through the podcast and then I was like, no, I'm actually going to use this all the time. There's a subscription that I go to and it's called small SMOL and they have dishwasher tabs and they're all eco-friendly and they're great. You know, you can pause your subscription, you can get more, you can get less, you can

kind of adjust it as it goes on. But basically every couple of weeks, a lot of A load of tabs just arrive and you don't have to think about it. You don't have to think about it. And there they are. You're well done you. Let's talk about those dishwasher tabs. Okay, so let's say you have not got your small subscription. You forgot to buy the dishwasher tab, but you've got the dishwasher full. You've stacked it so perfectly. The handles are down. The stuff is in the right place. There's no fine bone china. And then you're like, oh shit, no things, no detergent. I guess I'll just put in some fairy liquid because that's the same

as washing in the sink. So it must be the same right. Yes or no, Stevie. Suds. Why? Because those... You think that's the thing. Once again, it's not just the same as what you're doing in the sink. It's a totally different process. Once again, you're like, how different... Again, it feels like this is something that you have experienced in your life?

One time, yes. Because you just think, well, what's the problem? That's obviously the same. Again, those hard-powered jets are going to create a sud explosion, even with a very small amount of ferry liquid, because that is not what they are designed to do. so the suds will then fill the dishwasher and then they will fill the kitchen. So no, do not do not do it.

Unless you want a bit of fun, you want a lovely bit of fun. Exactly. Then by all means do it. But again, not the same thing. Do, you know, learn how everything goes. Last couple of things. The pre-cleaning your dishes, again, this whole like, why would we bother if once we've pre-clean, just continue to clean in the sink.

You not only do you not have to. It's actively not what the patent designer of the hand crank. drying rack designed. He wants there to be food in there. So all this sodium chemical jet thing has something to work with. And so the pH balance of the water, it needs food in there.

So you give a good scrape. Obviously, you don't just put a whole potato in. You full peas. Yeah. The full, anything recognizable as still a bit of food, obviously that's off, but just like a messed plate, fine. Source, smeared bits of oil, fine.

The very last thing is that plastic always needs to... Oh. Plastic, anything, always needs to go right to the top as high as it possibly can. I don't know that. Yeah.

Yeah. Because the bottom of the bottom rack is where the heating element is. And that is why, and again, I speak from experience, things melt. I would love to be a fly in your dishwasher. Well, I'm just like, Like, well, whack it in.

What's the problem? They melt. So that is, that's what's going on down there. And obviously do do a full load because obviously for the environment, you know, it's obviously, you know. The environment. Full load for the environment, baby. And don't let anybody shame you about your personal style, but be open to understanding why they've made their things. If you're covered in sods and everything's melted, you may have to take advice.

Your special method. might not be the best one. But no one's is right. Basically, it's all about looking at your particular dishwasher, where are the jets, how old is this machine, how much salt does it need, how much rinse, which are two different things. Detergent is not very liquid and knowing exactly what you need

and if it still exists, having a lovely read of the instruction manual. I think that was one of the most high-octane, dramatic and moving, emotionally episodes that we've ever done. Thank you for, if you've stuck with us, I want to say why, but also, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, Meg as well. It was actually, I think it was a really great suggestion and we've just like, I feel like I've just shout all over all over time. Meg, thank you so much. I didn't think it was a bad suggestion. When you relayed it to me, I was like 100%. 100%, because it's genuinely extremely

confusing and I would love an excuse to learn how the dishwasher works. And I have. God, am I ready now? Yeah, I hope that was, I hope that was helpful. And I hope if nothing, it was a Distraction. Tweet us at Nobody Panic Pod. Let's give a little bit of love to the DWs. Okay. They need it. They need it. The unsung heroes of the kitchen. Oh, good guys. Good guys. If you have any other requests and if this one has not been clear, there is no topic too big or too small. We will do anything. The police are coming. It was such a good episode. It was too good. We will take anything. do tweet us at Nobody PanicPanickpod or Nobody Panicpodcast at gmail.com. I'm at Tessa Coates on Twitter. And I'm at Stevie M on Twitter.

The S is a 5, not an S. Thank you so much. And just have a great week. And you can just dominate that dishwasher, okay? You've got this. You've got this. You've got this. Thanks for sticking with us.

And we'll see you next week. Thanks. Okay. Okay, bye.