Nobody Panic - How to Lucid Dream with Rose Matafeo (Live at the Roundhouse)

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

Award-winning superstar and all round fantastic gal, Rose Matafeo, joins Stevie and Tessa for a live episode on Lucid Dreaming. What is it? How do you do it? Can you too become a Oneironaut? A dream sailor? A night-walker? A master of the land where the veil between worlds grows thin? A very fun episode, though fair warning, things turn sexual veeeery quickly.Subscribe to the Nobody Panic Patreon at patreon.com/nobodypanicWant to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Aniya Das for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. festival being the first thing and therefore very briefly also the best thing at the festival please we've come completely by accident dressed as barby and oftenheimer genuinely didn't mean to do that Stevie has also come dressed as the chair yeah if any thought you think there's only one host no there she is she's just a yeah

I'm also losing my voice and I'm very sorry but I also think it makes me sound great and that's what all I'll say about the matter oh God, yeah. Just a hot, sexy chair. Deep, deep voice. Should we just get out our lovely guest? Let's get out our lovely guest. We're really very excited by both guest and topic today. Would you like to do the honest? Absolutely. So please give everything, stag of feet, whoop, holler. And please welcome to the Roundhouse stage. The Incredible Rose Magifarra stage and screen. Thank you so much. Thank you very much for being here with me.

I'll stop saying that. This is quite a nice thing to say. I quite like it. Yeah, I feel good. You're like an auntie. That's just proud of me. I love it. We are really proud of you. Thank you so much. Very thrilled to have you. Thanks for having me.

But you decided on the topic today. So we're obviously going to look at the audience. We're going to read the audience's adult things out. But before we do, it'd be nice to give a little taste of joy. Would you like to introduce the topic? Do you remember what you interview was? Well, so you asked me to do the podcast and then I said, sure, and you said, what do you want to talk about?

And usually it kind of takes a while to think about, you know, things to talk. I don't know what you talk about at all. And just for some of the people who are totally new, it's always a how-to. So when we have a guest on, either it's something they really want to talk about or they've recently learned to do or something. Or they don't want to talk about. Or they just force it through.

And we force them to do it. So I immediately replied just the phrase, lucid dreaming. Yeah. And I don't know how to do that. I'm interested in it. And then you responded very quickly with like, very enthusiastically.

I'm a professional lucid dreamer. You essentially said, I can lose it. I went, what the hell? Tell me how to do it. Do we all know what lucid dreaming is? Yeah. It's being able to control your dreams from within your dreams.

So it's being aware that you're dreaming enough that you can... It's not the usual topic that we would go for. So if you're not listen to the podcast before, you're like, good Lord. It's normally things like, you know, how to have more confidence, how to leave a WhatsApp group. Oh God, how to lose a dream. How to lose a dream. I cannot stress enough how excited I am.

We're going to go interesting places. It's basically, if you're not ever heard of it, it's what the film Inception is based on. And we will all be insepting each other. It's also what, like, you were encouraged to do in Nightmare on Elm Street. Do you know what I mean? Like, be a dream warrior.

Oh, God. I was too scared to watch it, so I didn't actually watch it. Oh, it's terrifying. Yeah, I can't. Okay, I'm chomping at the bit. Before we do. Before we do, before we do. And God bless you,

if you've never been before and you were given the instruction to write an adult thing, I know some of you gave it a really good go, and I'm very excited. I'm going to kick off really strong with God, a cat.

Got a cat as well. Jesus. Two people in here who got a cat. Is that the same cat? Oh my God. Wow, that's awesome. Set up a joint calendar with my partner. Leave now.

Leave now. You never said that. Made soup. Oh, yes, please. Autumn girls are upon us. I love this. To not have time to cry when I am sad. Whoever that is, you are loved.

Was that they? don't have time to cry. To not have time to cry when I'm sad. That is at all. Like not, yeah, not having the time. But although you should schedule your cries. If you've seen the film Broadcast News,

Holly Hunter's character in that film, she schedules a cry for emotion. And Shiv really does, right. Exactly, yeah. So it's actually a very professional thing to do. And all capitals, give it burst! I tried pole dancing again,

even though my first attempt ended with me crying and leaving after five minutes. Did cry again, but lasted 45 minutes this time. That's amazing. Whoever, whoever did that, I did recently. I did it yesterday. Oh my God, I did not last. I nearly passed out.

Just because it was very, I'm not very fit. And it was very tiring. Three people have bought a flat. That's why I've been looking up. It's Camden, you're an adult group, confronted my flatmate and asked her to stop having loud sex. Yes, please. I got married twice to the same person.

That's nice. We don't have enough contact. to know if that was a good idea. But immediately, but immediately just picked a second one out and it says got married and it's got a sad face. Yeah, that is a sad face. It's univocally sad. Well, there's a number of eligible people in the crowd

if you're looking for someone else. This fun person spent our Sunday building a bath rack. Oh, you know. Electric. They're out there. This one says asking out a man I know in real life, not on a dating app. Yes.

Yes. That's really good. Well done. It's great. called out my boss who tried to pass off my idea as his own in a team meeting. Yes!

Well done, working girl what's her chops. From the film? From the film, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lost confidence in who the actress was. Robert Tanya Jr. His Robert Tanya Jr. Okay, so to get us into the topic,

what is it that's made the lucid dreaming be at the forefront of your mind? Okay, so dreams crazy, right? Wow. So, is everyone dream here? Does everyone mainly dream? Okay, okay, okay, this is cool because there are some people I've met who don't dream.

When I first started going out with my partner, he confidently told me he'd never dream. He doesn't dream, it's not a thing. And I continued to date him after this. And I read this article, and it was like a proper article as well. It had footnotes in it, for example. It could cause the politics. Yeah.

It was like the science one. And it said about how... Just one of my science ones. Stay for it. Oh, me. And it explained how I think it's this common knowledge Everybody does dream

But some people like forget their dreams But obviously what's the thing that's forgetting your dreams It's your own brain So he basically If someone you know doesn't dream Essentially what I did is I just spoke about my dreams all the time to him Asked him all the time if he dreamt

And if he could remember And he just started remembering Because his brain started to be aware When he was going to bed That he may dream So his brain was like Oh Stevie will want to know Did he lose his mind?

mind the first time he because it's not like you know he hasn't, he just couldn't remember it right and also he was like not pressed record in his mind on it right yeah yeah he was like yeah he's got pressed record yeah he's like yeah I was at school or I sort of did it and now it's become like it's like full

film it you know really dream is fair than I do but no no because I lucid dream and he doesn't so I'm still winning and that's the that's the crucial point because I told you all right to talk about lucid dreaming and then I got a text from you saying lucid dreaming amazing and you said I can lucid dream I lucid dream and I went what and you never responded to it I was like you witches you witches get both lucid dream and you're not telling you how to do it so please now what's are your why am I interested in it I guess because I dream I have very vivid dreams I often have very

vivid dreams and bad times in my life right and it's they're so fucking literal that it's embarrassing I have like the most basic bitch dreams about well no it's always a house it's always a house guys it's always a house my most recent one is I'm living in this house the top level is my flat But it's a massive house. There's a basement. But for some reason, I don't go to the bottom floor because the bottom floor, when I go in there, it feels haunted. There's also a massive ballroom, which is filled with lots of clutter,

and old chairs and fur coats. I don't go into that room. I only say at the top, disgust. So you never see, but you know there's fur and coats in that room. I know that there's fur and, this massive ballroom. But you never go in. I don't know. I mean, I'm not the first to be knocking down a door of a,

ballroom filled with fur coats and old chairs. That's in your house. Yeah, but... They're really interrogating the logic of the dream there. But it's your house. You should feel good about it. I mean... But that therein lies the quandary. But obviously, we can't tell you what your dream means

because no one can really, can they? A problem yourself. Anyone could. I get up, at night, I wake up from the dream and then I start Googling what does that dream mean? And then it's quite, yeah, it checks out. Is it like there are parts of your life that you're scared to go in?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, like the room. And also, you should buy a fur coat. Exactly. Done. Just buy one. It's really easy to solve. I'm in my flat.

Then I open a door and there's like another enormous room with like beautiful like. What a big room. And then I always think like, I knew I wasn't poor. Like, oh, I can't go in. It's haunted. I'm always like, I fucking knew it. I just needed to open this door. I knew this flat was big.

And then I wake up and I'm like, no. It's just the two rooms. Same as when I went to sleep. I have there as well. actually. Yeah, because we've got similar size flats. Similar size? And it's, you always think, you just discover another room in your flat. It's the discovery. Yeah. And so I did look it up and it said, when you

find rooms you didn't know in your house, that's that you are on the verge of a creative you know, a thing you're about to discover a new imagination thing or you're going to start a new creative project and it's like a bit of the root house is your mind and you're opening a new door to a new project, whatever. But to me it's just wish I had more space.

You know, it's like it's such an obvious So in terms of, okay, lucid dreaming, then. Tessa, you can. Yeah. You've got, like, if we've seen the film Inception

by Robert Downey Jr., he, there's like a spinning top and it's all about like, are you awake or are you not? And in order to tell if he's awake or not, Leonardo DiCaprio has a little spinning top and if it falls,

he's in reality, and if it keeps going forever, he's not. And you said that you have that. And I don't have that, which made me terrified because I was like, so I'm just, I've just lucid dreamer.

I could be... You're just raw-dogging the dreams, I'm rolling. How do you know it's... How do you know it's a dream then? Because I'll be... Well, let's just... Where did you get the idea from?

Yeah, where did you get the idea from inception? Um, okay, so we flashback. We flashback the year is 1963. And now we jump forward to... 16 years. Okay. And it's 1980.

And a guy called Stephen LaBerge and why not? You know? Like, just La Bourge. That's your name, is it? Yes. So he brings lucid dreaming like to the table. To the table.

And before that, no one's really sort of used it as a phrase. And so he writes a book called Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, a step-by-set guide by the best-selling author of Lucid Dreaming. Yeah, okay. Thank you. Thank you, Stephen LeBerge. And he brings up the idea of what we call the reality check within the lucid dreaming world. And that is what... And what do they call it in Inception?

The totem? The totem? The totem. So the totem in inception is a representation of the reality check. It's a way to be like, is this a dream or is this thing? And so you're like never allowed to touch. Like, no one can ever touch your totem. It has to be so personal and no one can ever,

you're the only one who can ever know what the thing is in your reality check. Okay. So Stephen LaBersinvince this idea of the reality check. And but instead of having totems, they're just physical things that you do to check if you're in a dream. But the problem is is that what if you do them? So like I had one where I would shake my head really, It's not amazing.

I wouldn't avoid doing the film Inception. Yeah. I just shake my head a lot. And then I go into a situation where... I got into a situation. I was just dreaming. I got into a situation where I was shaking my head and I thought I'd woken up and I hadn't because my dad was a vampire.

In less. So you were using the shaking your head to check? Yes. And then I woke up in my bed and then my dad came in and I was like, oh great. And he wasn't looking at any turn around and he was like... And it was the worst thing in the world. And I thought it was. Okay.

So you're your dead dream. My dad was in your dream and he spent. Yeah. No dad dream where one dad walked down the hallway And then another dad walked down the hallway And I had to figure out which one was the devil. Oh, clones. Oh, shit.

I try to kill the devil dad, but then the devil dad got away in a hot air balloon. They will do that. They will do that. Oh, God. Okay, I'm six. Okay, I'm sick. I'm sick.

I'm sick. Okay, you're six. I'm six. And I go home, I come in the kitchen, and it's such a nice day and I'm telling my parents what a nice thing I've been up to in the garden

anyway and they're both at the sink and something smells amazing and I say oh wow what's for dinner and they together they turn around and they say you are

and that I'm six and that was probably the beginning of my like I didn't know it was called lucid dreaming I didn't know any of those things but I was like I have got to be able to control these because this is

out of this is a nightmare yes this is a night every single night and they were very elaborate yeah there was a lot of of like, you know, because I think we're also creators and we want to write stories and we want to do things.

And so our brains at night are being like, fucking one's a devil and one's dad. And he's in a hot air, like, the creator in your brain is like, this is fucking gold. And also I have one of recurring one, especially if I take a melatonin, which is like, I don't know if anyone's seen the film

dead of night. It's an old, old horror film. But basically it's an old horror film which is about essentially someone constantly waking up from a dream but thinking it's a dream, it's like an endless loop of basically the same terrible day. And at the end of the film,

he wakes up again and you're like, you know he's going to have the same day. But I have this thing, do you have it where you think you've woken up from the nightmare? We call that. Tell me. A false dawn. A false dawn. Is that a twilight book?

It's terrifying. So you wake up and you think you're... I've had that about maybe four false dawns in one night. In there go easy. Easy. Easy. Easy. Four false dawns a day.

Easy, you know. Especially if you're like, I've got to get up for a flight or a business or a business. Or a business. I listen to a podcast because I don't read which is like about like you know how what sleep is supposed to do about brains and like it's kind of brain washing it's not brain washing but it's like your brain has to like

hosing through yeah like hoses through your brain and like having to just sort of make sense of everything that's happened in your waking life there's a huge ask I've heard about I've listened to a particular podcast where a guy says that dreams are the final frontier

the like that's the wild world world west and it's actually possibly another level of reality that we're actually in the future going to adapt to sort of... No. No. Yeah. I'm afraid I'll be stopping that now.

Shut it down. Shut it down. The sky was crazy. But yeah, like harnessing the ability to do stuff in your dreams. Yeah. But this is all about you can't do it already now. So, right. So your parents are in the kitchen.

You say whilst for dinner, they turn around and go, you. Now with your lucid dreaming power, Can you just talk us through what you would do in that moment and then we can discuss like how... Sure. You know? Okay.

So, firstly, you'll never guess what the word is that we're going to all try and become from here on out. This is the official word for what we're going to do, which is when we could learn to control and travel and adapt. Wizards of the night. So close. Do you want to try? Oh.

Dream druid. You're doing it. But it's that, but in Greek. And it's... You weren't to know. Oh, I'm not a very good pronouncer. as Stevie well knows. Oneronautus.

Onioronautus. It's not, oh my God, you went full elvish on that shit. It's the Greek for dream sailor. And it is the correct word for what we're trying to do here, which is to travel through our dreams. Dream sailor.

It's so camp. And it's the, or or oranautology, is the study of Lucy. Dream sailing. Oh, dream sailing. We're trying to do this as a craft. There are different things.

There are different ways in which you can lose your dreams. Obviously, like, the most important one when you're, like, starting is, like, I just want to wake up because something terrible is happening. So, the thing that you, and I think, where you went over. You once told me that you would just go and have sex with something in your dream. Yeah, that's what that, yeah, that's what people do. When they can control their dreams, when they know how to lose their dreams. She's like, I just violently start humping the nearest thing there.

Honest to God. Every time I have a sex dream about someone, though, they turn into someone different halfway through. Does anyone else have that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I once had a dream that I met Eddie Redmayed at a funeral, and we've really got on. But we didn't have sex. Oh.

That's good. Yeah. So I think where you were going around with your head shaking, you were using that when you were actually awake to be like, I'm shaking my head now I know I'm for sure awake. So what you actually want to be using them is within the dream and you want your reality check to be, this is something I could definitely not do in the real world.

Yeah, but see, mine is looking at clocks. Okay, so that's a terrible mistake. It works every time. It is one of this, it is one of Stephen's suggestions. So time will not move within the dream Of course it won't What do you mean time will not move within the dream? Yes, it sounded good didn't it?

It did? The time will move of course but the clock will not move No, sorry, shut up What are you talking about? Your sense of time will not be You don't know me? No, no, your sense of time And then you will be like, you don't know me

Maybe it does The clock will, the actual clock will not move Bullshit Are you sure? Go to the clock. The clock will not move But what makes this a bad one is that in your actual life, when the clock, if you're like, oh my God, and then you look at the clock

and the clock is stopped, you're like, oh, dream, I guess. You know, you need it to, but, no, I'm so sorry, I simply must speak. Okay, it's become very important that I speak at this point. So, I know what you're saying, and I know, sorry, I know what DeBurge is saying, LeBur, don't, that's Chris DeBurg. Very contemporary reference for a contemporary woman. Okay, because the thing is, is that, yes, of course,

if you look at a clock in your dream, it may move, but time is not moving in a linear fashion. So if you stared at a clock in your dream for ages, it just would not move like, is that what you mean? Because I've seen clocks move in my dream, but my thing is the numbers are all wrong.

Like, there'll be like animals on it, like literally like squirrels. Yeah, so the clocks will be wrong. Okay, but sometimes they might not be. Like, digital. Hang on. Yeah, I think we've got a lot. The clocks will be wrong.

So I'm in a dream. Yeah. I'm not looking at the clock. I'm having a great time with Eddie Riemann. Yeah. You banged at you in a funeral. The time is flying. How do you judge how fast time is fine when I'm...

Exactly. You're getting on. Hang on. I'm in a dream. I'm looking at a clock. It says it's 4pm. I go, great. It's 4 p.m. I look away. I do something and I look back at the clock. 4 p.m. It's 4 p.m. Or it's like a ridiculous time. Like something it's midnight or something.

So the time will be incorrect. The clocks will be incorrect. But it's a bad one to use as your reality check. Because sometimes in our... But also, like, how many... You might go to somebody's house, and they could... My grandma, 100% had one.

Instead of numbers, there was trees, you know? So you'd lose your fucking mind if you saw that. You know? I can never go to your grandma's house. Right? Well, you can't. She's dead. But she...

But Granny Coats had trees instead. Trace for clocks. And then when you got to the number, it did a cuckoos. It did different birds of the world. You know? So... And it did a noise.

A bit of fun. But you would freak out, you know? Because that's what you've seen. So it's like... So what's a good one then? Flight. I can fly in my dreams. Me too, I can fly my dreams.

Thank you. It's so fun. Fantastic. But that's something you definitely can't do. See? Dreams, I'm like, holy shit, I can fly. Okay, so this is the concept of the reality check. Lucid dreaming is possible for absolutely everybody.

It is merely a matter of practice. I've just constantly being, when you are flying, being like, flight, huh? Okay. It needs... So that when you are dreaming, and that your brain is doing the hosing down. The logic part of your brain, and people have been in MRI scans.

And he is right, whoever said this horrible thing on the podcast. Dreaming is the final frontier. Like, we can't understand it at all. Like, we really don't understand what's going on up there. But the part that shuts down in an MRI is the logic centre. So that's why when you're like, well, me and a dear rep band are getting on famously. Like, no part of you is like... Okay.

But what did... That would happen in real life. Yeah. But you're like... Actually, would. Yeah. I love you. I apologize.

Like, flight. The logic part of your brain just like isn't processing. So the part that's like the creative part, the stuff, all the people, the what's happened in the day being processed through. All of that is times a million. But you're just, why in a dream, you're always like, and then I was like, I guess he's a dragon. And you're like, oh well, you're like, you're so like shrug. Yeah. And you're like, I got to school and I was naked.

I was like, naked again. You know, like, you know, like, no part of you was like, but why. But why am I naked? So the but why is the thing that needs to start kicking into gear. So that's the thing that needs. So the time is a good one to be like, you know, if you are like, wait, how have I been at this party for 12 hours? That's when you need to start being like, and what you need to do is in your waking life,

this is what Stephen suggests, you put an alarm on that goes off every two hours, and every two hours, stay with it, we're orio-a-autics. Okay, so, orionauts, yeah, sure. Dream-sailers. We're dream sailors. Stay with it, because it will be weird before it gets good, is every two hours the alarm goes off,

and you have to say, is this a dream? In your day? In your day. But quite a day. But we both lose a dream. never done that but you like there are other ways of doing it absolutely I'm merely telling you what if you've never done it

you know you're like because the thing about lucid dreaming is creating this like it's a dream and I'm controlling it and I'm doing it and so for not for you because of course you can lose a dream when did you start lucid dreaming by the way? So basically I didn't read DeBurge but I read about how important it's like the intention of wanting to lose a dream rather than being like I can't do it I'll never be able to do it is like the first step because it allows your

brain, which is the thing that is controlling whether or not you can lose a dream anyway, to like open the doors of it. And then also, I'm so deep, deep into it that now, for example, I'm really bad at flying in my dream. And so I've now, as I've been falling asleep, been trying to, you know, like, with meditation and stuff, and you're meant to, like, visualize. If you can visualize it, you can do it in your dream. But if you can't visualize something, you can't do it in your dream. Just like you can't make new people in your dream. Sure. Every single person in your dream, even if they're a stranger, is a composite of people that you've already known. Your brain can't make up a new face

out of nothing. That's like a fact. I'm wow. Can you believe that? I'm wow. But isn't that that man that comes in everyone's dreams as well? Like that, that man? There was a man. Don't talk to me about the man. There was a man. There's a man who's been cited in many different people's dreams. But then they'll be drawn. But then I'm like slander out of it.

He's a dude. He's a dude. Sorry, what's that man? We don't know. Why are you moving on? Because then someone goes, oh my God, I've had a man in my dream and then they put it And then they put like a sort of an e-fit on, like, whatever, online. And then other people then have the dream because we've seen that picture. She's like the ring, yeah. That's what happens.

That feels good. That feels good. That feels nice. That's feel good. It's feel good material. Have you seen the man? I saw a Wikipedia page of the man, yeah. Then did you see the man in the dream?

I did not see the man in the dreams. But another comedian, she bought some trousers. I saw on an Instagram the other day. They had all the sky printed on them. And then she realized. They realized that that was the dream man. She didn't know when she bought the trousers? No.

Hell. That is hell. You're wearing trousers of a dream man. But just like he's getting to us. Yeah. He's getting it. He's got merch. He's got it. Can I ask you this? One thing I do like, I don't necessarily have to control over it, but in my dreams, I eat food and I taste it.

I love it. It's so good. Do you taste food? Absolutely, absolutely. Can you go with it? Okay, then if you can lose a dream, can you guys go in with an intention, like when you're falling asleep, but you can go into dreams with intentions of like, I might want a dream like this and stuff.

Go with a bit of a menu into a dream. Do you know what I mean? I want to have a burger tonight. So I'll be, I don't know, whatever. I've shown up to the airport and I'm like, haven't got any clothes. And I'm like, why have I done that? And then I'm like, this is terrible. And then I'm like, oh, this is a dream.

Is this a dream? And then I take off from the ground and I fly upwards, like a swimming style, exactly like you say. And then I'm like, ah, dream. Yeah. just to see if the clocks have changed. Yeah, yeah. Don't need to check.

No, it's a dream because I'm flying, remember? So no need to check. No, double check, double check. Fly past, give a flight past Big Ben, come on. Quick check, yeah, this is a dream. As I fly past Big Ben. But then because the logic centre is like firing up, it's like, well, we're dreaming, we should wake up.

Like, it's like, so you haven't got very long. So then I think when I'm flying, as soon as I know it's a dream, I just fly about, and then I wake up. So I haven't got the time, I'm sorry for a burger. but I have sometimes I don't sometimes I so it is my understanding and is Stephen that while you can have sex and it can be very enjoyable you cannot reach a physical climax I think that's bullshit I'm gonna say I I think that's bullshit I think it brings you I think it can bring you out of the dream yes I agree

I agree I think that it brings you right out of the dream I think it's I don't whether or not you can come maybe I don't know maybe it feels very very close sometimes it's not when you're banging Sometimes it's when you've just sat down. I sat on a bench in my dream. It was like, well, it's happening. Wouldn't it be great? Life was like this, I thought. So good.

It feels very similar, but then when I wake up, I always think, oh, it wasn't quite in. Yeah, but it's also like, it's just a frame of mind of like, if you felt like you come, then just decide that you came. Like, if a tree falls in a forest and no one's around, you know what I mean? It's a different people.

That kind of vibe. Yeah. You thought you, guess like yourself into thinking you came. And that's exactly what, and then you will. That is it to be a dream saying. It's just simply gaslight yourself to be like, I'm in control now. Yeah, because it's your own brain doing it. So you just sort of give your brain permission to go, actually, I am.

And then it will. You know? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Jesus. We're going to be coming all in our dreams. Yeah.

So if it says to tell you might, we'd be like, okay, I'm dreaming. And then I'd be like, right, well, I'll have sex. And then I try and be like, roll the decks. Eddie Redmayne. Let's go. And I try and hold on to it. One thing that I, read about and tried and it worked

because it was a very specific thing because you know before I was saying about how like you've got to like think about it before you're going to sleep it's like think about what so I have like used to have very very bad nightmares sometimes I still kind of do and I my thing was that even if I woke up I wanted to keep dreaming but I want to like get away so what I would do is and it's

it's a shame that it's this reference because I unfortunately Harry Potter has a very different vibe now I can't cope but I was very big Harry Potter so when I'm having a bad dream I've tried to think when I was younger about like how I could get out of that bit and I thought so in Harry Potter he has a word it's like Acio and he says Akio firebolt and he's like what am I going to say

his broom arrives and he gets on it and he flies away so when I was going to sleep I was like okay I'm going to like really imagine and visualise being able to call for my firebolt be able to get on it and fly off and that is I still do it now it doesn't always work because the other day I forgot the Acio word and I remember being in my dream being like fireball! I don't know. Oh. Uncle?

What is it? And I couldn't call it. So it's really tough when your imagination lets you down like your self-belief. Because I've had that. I'm flying.

Pass Big Ben. And then I'm like, and then I think like really good at flying today. And then I just slowly start to sink. And then I'm like, no, I'm removing you guys. And then I just can't get.

And then I've done that. Also pottering a lot. A meter high. Really? Like, puzzling. Boshing along. Because you got too arrogant. Yeah.

I got to arrogant. I flew. I flew too, literally I echorus myself. You flew too close to the time. I too, too, goes to the other. But thinking about it beforehand and thinking about it beforehand, and also reading about lucid dreaming and getting, like, inserting yourself into the mindset of like,

this is totally possible, I can totally do it. And also, particularly, how am I going to do it? Because then, if you really think about it, then when you're in your dream, it will just start to appear, and then you'll start to know it. And, like, rather than go straight and being like, I'll control everything, to try and control, like, one little thing.

And then once you do that, you can build, slowly. Oh my God. It feels like magic. It feels like, and I think magic is a really good example of a good reality check. So you want to be constantly asking this,

is this a dream? Is this a dream? And you know, just train your mind to be like, anytime anything even slightly awry happens in your day-to-day life, you think, is this a dream? And obviously you're like, no,

I'm just waiting for the bus. But you're training yourself to constantly be asking the question. And that's the part of your brain that needs to be like firing up. Yeah. And then enter therefore when the dream happens and anything even slightly confusing happens,

your body is like, is this a dream? And then you're like, fuck, yes. Let's check. Firebolt, great example, because then you know, like, ah, the firebolt's here, definitely a dream. Flying, a friend's reality check was not being able to turn the lights on and off.

Again, mechanics aren't easily controlled in a dream. You often can't turn the lights on and off. Okay, here's my case for not lucid dreaming. Please. So, because the more you say you were able to control these dreams and realize you're in a dream and the control, what you said before of going, you don't have long.

So as soon as you figure out your dreaming, you don't have long before what you wake up. The dream collapses. Okay, so then I'm the dream collapse. The dream collapses. And really, the dream collapses. And like really distressing dreams, that's an advantage. But then isn't there a part of it that like I think the moment I start to become self-aware

that it's a dream, then I lose the capacity to be very creative in the dream and really just lose myself in an experience. But in the dream, if you're able to lose a dream, then you can like make, you can create a more, like, I know it sounds really try it, but a more fun environment. Yeah. Like you're not at the mercy of it. Like I've lucid dreamed, before I started going out with my partner, I quite fancied him. And so in my...

That's really good. Quite. Quite. Yeah. I recommend that. I recommend specifically having a dream and being like, this is a dream. And I was like, oh, I'm going to try and bang him. Wow.

You winged yourself in your dream? That's amazing. I'm going to try and... Like, if it's a dream, then I can make it. Wow. I don't think I actually managed to do it. But like, you can do... So you can kind of like make it more fun.

I'm very into being. magical and a magical wizard in my dream. It's very important to me. So I... The moment I realize, it's a dream. I'm honestly like, move it in your mind. It's something to do with the film Matilda

when I was growing up. I just wanted to be Matilda. So I do a lot of glass work. In the dream. I think we've also found why you're not lucid dreaming. Something's holding you back because you think it would be a bad thing for you.

But to lose a dream. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do like getting lost in a dream. I do like getting... You still do. It doesn't become normal. No, we're not fucking the fireball every night.

You know, this is like... I'm just coming on it. Like it would be more of a... It would be more of an irregularity. Like, you absolutely will still continue to have dreams in which you're completely immersed in the dream. And terrible nightmares, of course. But it's a useful tool to end the nightmares

and it's a useful tool to make a dream more... Like, to fly and do fun stuff. You know what? Maybe I've lost a dream because I have actually had the experience where I've had a dream, woken up, and I've gone, I want to go back to that dream. and I went back to sleep

and then went back to the dream. Perfect. You have the power. Yeah, you have it. I've had the power all along. It's in you. Oh my goodness, okay, this is wild. What am I going to dream about tonight?

I'm so excited. I know. Oh my God, what am I going to dream about tonight? I'll offer you one final thing for anybody else attempting the dream tonight. A dream journal can be a very useful thing. Boring, of course. Boring of course.

But writing down stuff, just getting the habit of being more aware of your dreams and writing the stuff down. I'm so excited. I'm excited for you. I'm so excited for everyone here and myself. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming.

Thank you for the roundhouse. Oh, coming. Yay. A bit of fun. And for the roundhouse for having us. And you've been an absolute delight. This has been such a lovely game. Thank you so much for spending your time with us.

And I guess, goodbye. Goodbye. Thank you so much.