Nobody Panic - How to nap like a boss

Episode Date: November 6, 2018

Don't just nap. Power nap. Stevie and Tessa learn how to nap like a boss and Tessa doesn't think this was a worthy podcast episode. Stevie remains silent on the topic because she is napping.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true, Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. go for a nap. Welcome to the nobody panic podcast. Or should we call it the nap-dib-de-pannock podcast.

N-P-N-P-P-N-P-Nap. Napping. Because today we're doing how to nap properly. That's the episode. I'll be bringing a deep negative energy into the room. This is Tessa, by the way. Hello, this is Tessa. I don't think this is a worthy topic.

No, I do. I'm excited to learn. I'm thrilled to be here and have a lovely time with you. We've done weird a topic than this. We certainly have. I just think, Stevie suggested how to nap. And I was like, who doesn't know how to nap? Just lie down.

And I found that incredibly patronising. Lie down, mate. I could do it right now. And then Tessa suggested doing how to talk about wine. And I said she was a moron. But we're going ahead with both of those ideas. We're going here with both of them. And this one, Tessa is allowed to boo and heckle me. I won't be heckling. I'm a polite listener.

You are sometimes. And then with the wine one, I'm allowed to, you know, be like, everyone knows that I'm talking about wine. And if you do talk about wine, then you're an idiot. You're pretentious. Anyway, right. So, look, we've got all our issues out of the way. odd. So the issue is that I, okay, well, I'll ask you, you clearly do nap then quite regularly

and you have a nice time? Yes, but I also just think... You're good at sleeping in general. I'm quite good at sleeping, but also a nap to me is such an achievable thing because you only ever really do it if you didn't mean to. So I know people that are like, they have power naps and I'm like, oh, were you like so knackered that you couldn't stay up straight? And it's like, no, that's not what napping is that's like you've got a serious sleep disorder. Like napping is to, it's supposed to like, all I can think of is saying is lubricate your day, but I don't want to

use that phrase. But you know what I mean? Why have you come up with it? I don't know. I can't think of any other way. I guess fuck your day. Stop it. Stop that. Sorry. Essentially, I read this book a while ago that said that our brains, when they compare our brains to animals and how lots of different animals sleep,

how like whales sleep, it's different to how a bird sleeps, because it all depends on their environment. So birds will often, interesting fact, if they're in like a little line on a branch, the outside birds will keep their outside eye open and that half of their brain will remain awake. And the inside half of their brain will be asleep.

And so they're half asleep, half awake, so they're always wary. Halfway through the night, they'll switch with another bird and they'll go to sleep fully, like all the other birds did. And then that bird will one eye will open. It will be like a guard bird. Guard bird.

So all things like that. And with the human brain, they've sort of, by like process of elimination and like seeing what our brains look like, seeing how most people are in the day and the night, that we should be sleeping eight hours a night minimum. And then at around three, four o'clock, have a, like, a 20 minute nap. And obviously nobody does this, or very few people do this. But that's why you have that, like, massive slump in the day. So we should be listening to that slump. I said to Deser, I'm really bad at napping. A desert replied quite fairly.

I've seen you fall asleep in all manner of situations and I have. Whenever we work together or something, I will be asleep under a table but it's just what I will do. But often that's because in those situations I find it very difficult to sleep before I'm doing a job or like a filming job or something. I find it impossible

which means that whenever, if you've ever seen him on the small screen, which if you had then that's amazing, I've been on it for all of five seconds you were seeing a very tired woman. Like I'm always knackered. That's not napping. That's like my body is just being like this is you can't be awake anymore and when I do try and nap and I'm like so say I'm feeling a bit

ill or I'm like I'm getting a cold or I definitely need to rest I'll fall asleep for five hours or I won't fall asleep and I'll be really annoyed at myself and then I'll fall asleep three hours later and you're like I just want to have control I just want to like I want to be one of those people who's like um so I had like a nap today and then it's not a big deal like I want to know what is there is there a better time to nap Like if you need to nap, should you nap in the afternoon? Should you nap? Is that like a fallacy like you shouldn't nap for more than 30 minutes because then you won't be able to sleep at night? Or is that not right?

Just like, I just want to learn more about napping. Please. Okay. As humans, we should be asleep in the night. So why are we sleeping in the day? I just thought it was interesting. Absolutely. Very defensive.

No, and I'm sorry for bringing that energy in here? The energy was in here. And I'm sorry, it's gone now. It has gone. I can't wait to learn. I can't wait to learn. I just, my experience of napping is, that you just have fallen asleep for a bit.

You've got to go and do something else, but you've got 20 minutes, so you fall asleep. When you fall asleep and you wake up, generally question, do you feel awful? Yes, I feel a thousand times worse. Yeah, why is it? But when you're falling asleep, it feels delicious. It's so amazing, isn't it?

It's the most delicious feeling in the world. You've gone to bed and you're like, oh my God, I've got this many minutes, whatever. And you fall asleep in your clothes, and it feels delicious. And you realize you've made the perfect decision. Like, this is where all of the roads have. met. Yeah, it feels like I am one with the world. And then you wake up and you feel groggy, annoyed, just like, oh, oh, oh, how long have I got, what time is it, what day is it?

And then tired, so tired for like an hour after, I can't, I hate it, I hate that feeling. I always put an alarm on, oh, so that I don't fall asleep for eight days. I do that, but then I just, I turn off and then I continue to fall asleep. Anyway, right, so what adult I think you've got a real problem. Okay. I've always got a problem. Have you ever considered going to one of those sleep clinics? No, I'm fine.

I think you should go to one. I maybe will. Could someone tweet me at TV? MDSS a 5? I'm not the only one who's like, my napping game is all over the place. Does it only mean it was like, strengthen my napping game?

If it is, then we'll know because everyone will turn off the podcast and no one will be listening. Apart from my mum, who was a loyal listener, Hello, Margie. So, okay, so I suppose this podcast is in and of itself a nap experiment. Absolutely. Oh.

Plenty hell. Remember we did houseplants. I hate myself. I just think that I... It's been five minutes. You're talking about I should go to a clinic. I just think you should consider going to a clinic. I would love to go to one of those things where they observe you sleeping.

But the problem is like they'd observe me and then I wouldn't go to sleep and then I'd ruin the experiment. You were saying that and then maybe they'd understand why that was. Oh my God, I should go to sleep. Maybe they'd say, hey, Stevie, you've been away for 48 hours. And he said, I know I'm so nervous about. falling asleep and running your experiment and they'd be like okay let's unpack that that'll be useful and maybe you'd get you'd get to the sort of more root of the issue can you do

a sleep click can and then I'll just be you can ask me questions you want me to do I feel I feel very happy now but I'd be frightened with like people in lab codes this has gone so off topic I could I could do it no problem like you could put me in there right now in a glass room I fully believe you think you could do that are you saying you think you could run a clinic I could run the clinic Right, there we go. Right, okay. I could run the clinic. Oh, course you know. But I could also be in the clinic, no problem.

I could call asleep, yeah. I have no doubt you would go in there and fall asleep immediately, and they'd be like, great. You are, because you're a very good control person. So you get like insomnia acts and then you get Tessa. I do doubt that you'd be able to confidently run a sleep clinic, considering you're not a sleep psychologist or a doctor or have no. I think I could do it. Okay.

I think I could do it. Okay. First thing everyone would do, I take everybody's phones away from them. Okay, you've got the job. That's it. That's it. they take everyone's phone. Then I say this is Jeremy. He guards

the phones. Already, it's getting weird. No, no. Jeremy's the guardian of the phones. Stay with it. So if anything ever does happen you will be contacted. Yes. Jeremy stays abreast of your social media. He likes anything he needs to like. Already. I want to go to a real sleep.

So then I take everyone's phones away. Then there's no screens, no television and we rise at dawn. And we till the fields. I mean, And as soon as the night I take everyone's watch away as well As soon as the night takes us

As soon as the night crest We We plop to sleep What Wow And there's like fresh air and windows And everyone's room is cold There's no

Your language is very refreshing Because you don't speak like a doctor Yes Or any doctor I know People really take to it People really take to it Already in this conversation You have a band of followers

I think Already in is that I bet you know what country is in as well is Switzerland. Okay, right. I haven't even thought about opening a branch abroad but now I see it.

Sorry, I think we should definitely open a Swiss branch. Yeah, we should. The Swiss are fine. They don't need any help. They don't actually. We don't have a single Swiss listener because they don't need a Swissner.

A Swissner. Because they don't need a pod. They go, how to do that? Why would I know? I know how to do everything. Let's not do the accent because that, you are not doing it. This is from Switzerland.

This is exactly right. So much confidence. So much confidence. What adult thing you've been done this week, apart from to start up asleep, can't mean. It's about a mattress, so that's good, isn't it? Yeah, very good. I took my good mattress for me home, my Eve mattress, but then, of course, there was a mattress on the inventory. Of course.

What's a girl to do? I don't know what I'd do there. Make a mattress out of weaving baskets. Option one, weave the mattress. Option two, leave my good mattress. Oh, crazy. Option three, take my good mattress home. get another mattress because when I was arrived it was just a shitty one for my

here. Did you get like a cheap one? No, you didn't go. So I went on Amazon, paid for the prime, got the next day delivery. It arrived. It was a single. So you bought a single mattress. Yeah, but not only that, I think it was like for a bunk bed or something. So it was like so thin and shit. And I all been like unraveled half a bit. I carried up the stairs with one hand. It was in a bag, like wrapped up. And I was like, part of me was honestly like, I think it'll inflate. I think it's gonna... And I like, ran the customer service and I said, excuse me, you've done... Please.

Please. And then they were like, I'm so sorry, there's no more double mattresses anywhere. What in the world? Well, they were like, it's like 200 pounds and I was like, this is insanity. I'm not paying that. Well, you just come and take this one away, please. So you don't have a mattress. They couldn't do that, so I had to like bandage it in masking tape, take it to the post office. Then they... Then they paid for the exchange and I was like, oh, at least it's done, it's done.

They even got the prime special to be like, and job done. tip. Then, of course, I had no mattress, had to sleep on the sofa. What a journey. Anyway, got on Gumptree. Found a man with a brand new one. Cheap? 30 quid. That's all right. Not bad. And then he was like, you can come and get it for 30 pounds or for 10 more. And then, and Stevie, hello. I live with him now. I'm blinking to show I need help. No, he said for 10 more pounds, I'll drop it off at the house. And obviously my instinct was to be like, no, thank you. I'll come and get that. tell me you pay for it.

And walk home. And then I was like, I'll get a friend. I'll walk or no friend. I'll guess I'll roll it home down the street. I'll roll the square mattress home. I'll just over one end over the other. This won't be a problem. This is fine.

Six miles. There I guess. Six miles. Four hours. No problems here. Carry it on my head. Like, this will be fine. And then I just said, yes, please.

Thank you. Please deliver it. And I paid the 10 pounds. That's really great. That's really adult. That was really adult because my instinct of course is to weave one. I mean, my one is that I had my first. ever massage.

Oh wow. I've never had one before. Oh wow. Because I think I just didn't understand the point. To be fair, I think I still don't get the point of massage over like I'll go to an osteopath. Is that like cracking the back? Chiropractor cracking the back. Cropath.

No, chiropatist doing the foot. Pyropatra on the back. Osteopath moving your muscles in a different way, not the cracking though. Interesting. Okay. There's so many different times people for your back. Osteopath realigning you. Oh, I'd like to be realigned.

Well, something like that, I think I may be, it felt like the massage thing attended more towards like, oh, that feels nice rather than, oh, it's doing some real genuine. It did do some good. A while ago, this thing came through our door saying that a guy was doing, practicing Bowen technique,

which is another of the sort of muscle realignment things. For free, would anybody be interested in coming and doing, you know, having four sessions for his coursework, whatever? I was like, 100% yes. When? and then when I was like on a table in his house I was like oh no

oh that's it's just you yeah and I was like in a man's house on his table like this is like like you know Microsoft Word thing has come through the letterbox

no one knows where I am like I was like oh bugger but it was absolutely fine and I you know he's perfectly nice um okay napping so my interest was piqued because a nap expert called Christopher Lindholst

who is the CEO of Metro Naps which is these like they look like giant Pac-mans and they're in workplaces they're basically they're very cool looking nap pods that you can just go in for like a certain amount of time on your lunch break or whatever if you're feeling stressed or if you just need a nap

like it just feels like such a Scandinavian thing but in the workplace they'd be like I'll not go to the accent maybe you can like of course of course you're allowed to nap please we have a wonderful quality of life. Have a wonderful quality of life. That was very offensive. So I just can't imagine in like London or the UK city workers being like, yeah, go, buy, sell.

I need to have an app and everyone going absolutely cool, mate. Like, you'd be like, what you absolute pansy because of the horrible lad culture that we have in workplaces. And also this culture of like busy, busy, busy, like I don't have time to do anything. Like when I was in an office, everyone just spent the whole time talking about how they enough time. And I was sitting there like, well, I'm doing my job quite well, and I do have time. I'm on Facebook now. So I think you're all saying this so you appear busy rather than actually being busy. But the point is, is that he's trying to spread the message that, like, how important

napping is and how we take it for granted. And maybe if someone suggested doing a podcast episode, the other person would be like, why? Like, things like that. For example, I can't, like, nap culture has a stigma around it. Yes, right? It's not presented as something positive. I think it's very important we talk about it over anything else. So the idea is that it encourages healthy napping. So it's not like, I think going to bed is, I've read elsewhere, that that's not a good place to nap, even though obviously you're like,

that is the place I want to nap because it's bed. That will encourage you to sleep longer. To also feel weirder when you get up because I think when you wake up in your own bed at 4pm, you're like, wah! Even more so than when you wake up on a sofa or a couch, and you're easier to transition back into your normal day. Rather than, you have to get out of your duvet and no one wants to do that.

Also, it's that whole thing about like separating a nap from a full sleep and you don't want to be in your bed any longer than you have to be. You're fine because you sleep really well, but people that don't, like I can't do work in bed because then it just means I don't sleep because my brain's on. No, but nobody should do that. Nobody should do that. First-time nappers often have the wrong expectation about what's going to happen to them when they rest for a few minutes.

So this is the thing that I have, and I'm so glad when he said this, because I was like, that's what I want to do it because I think, in my head, this is what an app is. You're like, Tessna's looking at me like, she's a prune. Her whole face is like crinkled up. She's like, go on then. What do you feel on that? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

It's fine. Let me give you more of a safe space to have your right. I do know that that, I've seen that facial expression before, and I know that that's not where you're necessarily thinking. It is, unfortunately, your listening face. That's worse. Right. Yeah.

Right. Okay. What I think that napping is, is I'm like, I'm going about my day, I'm doing some stuff. And then I'm like, I'm tired. Okay, great, I'm going to go to sleep for like 20 minutes. My thing is I'm like, right, I'll lie down. I'll fall asleep for 20 minutes. Got my alarm.

And my alarm will come up. I'll wake up. I'll wake up. I'll wake up. I go to sleep. Or I don't go to sleep. It's like this weird. It's like this right?

Should I've gone to fully asleep? Was that helpful? How did I do basically? I don't want to be graded and given a sticker for sleeping, but I also do. That was my worry. And that's why I often don't nap. because I'm like, well, what's the point if I'm not going to properly sleep?

Apparently, that's what a nap is. Like, you're not supposed to go fully to sleep. I sound like a moron. You're not fully supposed to go to sleep. You're supposed to be in that half-waking, half-asleep state. Okay. If you go into full sleep when you're in the day, that is bad for you.

Like, you're not supposed to be doing that. That will impinge on your night's sleep. And that's, like, there's so many different theories on this. Christopher says that the optimal amount of nap time is 15 to 20 minutes. Napping longer, it's not bad for you, but there's a higher risk. of entering deeper levels of sleep, which will result in real, that groggy feeling when you wake up.

So that's why I don't nap well, because I was like half an hour or four hours. Half an hour or four hours is my normal map. To avoid that horrible groggy feeling, you need to lessen the amount of nap that you're having. And then you wake up and you will feel, because that's in line with your rhythm, so you should naturally be waking up anyway, rather than getting deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. But then if you want a nap to catch up on sleep that you've had, rather than just like you've had eight hours but you also want a nap. If you're fully sleep deprived, a full 90 minute sleep cycle nap is very, very helpful

because then you are fully catching upon a cycle of sleep. So 90 minutes. So if you've got time. 90 minute nap will replenish lost sleep. Okay. 15 to 20 minute nap is like, I need a power nap I'm tired. But don't go for a halfway point because you'll be brought out of a full sleep.

And you'll be really weird when you wake up and say weird things. That is very helpful. Yes. the best time to go to sleep is early mid-afternoon because that's when you're a circadian rhythm that rhythm that makes you awake or drowsy throughout the day it dips it's slightly different for everyone but sort of between two and four it's like the best time other things are you said that you put your alarm on that is good but you need to make sure your phones on airplane mode otherwise even if you're not thinking about your phone subconsciously you are thinking about your phone being on you

won't nap you won't relax and also you will get disturbed halfway through it'll be really annoying Now, have you heard of the coffee nap? You have a drink of coffee, you go to sleep for 20 minutes. And then it'll wake you up, yeah. I was like, well, that'll be the way I nap then, because that will mean that I won't have that groggy feeling. It's not good to do it constantly, because for the reason about caffeine will just knock you completely out of whack

with your sleep cycle anyways, then it would just make you more and more tired. I don't think I'd be able to go to sleep. If I'd, like, introduced a game to it. Yes. And go and you're like, oh God, I'm going to sleep now. Because, sorry, for anyone not listening, yeah, Like it's like Desa says you drink a strong coffee

You go to sleep And then the caffeine will kick in in 20 minutes That will wake you up that is the idea So yeah it becomes now like some sort of competition It's you versus your own brain I feel that is not relaxing No And it's not something that you should do unless

It's like emergency level now the time I once did it with like with one I don't drink coffee so I did it with one because I don't like it everyone Not because I have any What's the word? Not for worthy reasons like I don't drink coffee

I just don't get for it You don't like hot drinks do you really Not hugely And I know now Swathes of listeners Are just turning off booing No one boos when someone else People are horrified about not

The not drinking hot drinks I don't drink tea and I do get a lot of like comments Yeah people And I'm like to say like please I think it's wonderful I wish I was part of the culture Yeah I love it I wish I could go for

But you should accept and be happy or not But I'm sorry I can't Anyway so I've never had a coffee and I did try that thing though once with one square of dairy milk. What was that? Oh, you tried the, sorry, you tried the napping thing. Yeah, but I remember putting it on my tongue like it was a tab of acid. Being like, and go.

Let's see what happens. Woo! I guess nothing much. Nothing. But it does feel exactly like that of like, drink this, lie down. It's too stressful to begin it. I wouldn't want to do that. I'm glad he doesn't trumpet that theory.

Yes, I think it's like a... I was worried. that he was going to come out and say that was the ideal one. No, absolutely not. It's just to be used when you're absolutely desperate. Okay. I can't imagine that I'm very rarely desperate for a nap. I'm normally just, I fall in the sleep somewhere. Like I'm always like, I'm really, oh God, God, God.

Well, it's sort of the same thing, isn't it? You didn't know you were desperate. You just, you're already, your body was desperate for it. Yeah, your body's trumpeting for a nap. Trumpeting for a nap. Now, I also asked whether napping can be a sign of something you should change, like lack of sleep or a problem. And he says that napping is a very normal part of the human,

circadian rhythm. We are naturally programmed for drowsiness in the afternoon. So literally when you feel that slump, at work or at home, it is your body being like if you fancy, now would be a great time. So you, like listening to it is great. And you can do that every day if you want. You're not unhealthy. So if you're listening, I nap all the

time. If napping is starting to affect that your productivity in the day and is actually impinging on your life, then I think then it can be a symptom of loads of things. It can be symptom of depression. It can be a symptom of depression. It can be a symptom of anxiety. It can be a symptom of a sleep disorder. It can be that you actually have,

I thought this is interesting. When people are getting colds or viruses, in the days before you have any symptoms at all, you don't even know you're getting one, you'll become way more time because your body is desperately fighting it off. And the moment your body loses the battle is the moment you feel the symptoms. So your body's tired already. So it might mean that your kind of immune system is fighting something off as well. So you should always, always listen to it. And we need to stop doing this thing where we, you did it before. And I think it's, It's fine because people being like, I don't drink caffeine because you're like, okay, F off. But it is actually like, it's blocking one of our bodies apparently most clear signs to us that we're not well, or that we need to change something.

And so then if you drink shit loads of coffee, you're never going to know that. You're not listening to your body at all. And your poor body's being like, please, I think you need more sleep. You're like, I feel fine. I'm smashing this meeting. But you're false smashing it. And it might cause problems later on. There was once an episode of Desperate Housewives where...

I used to love that show. Okay, not Brie and not Gabrielle. Oh, I didn't know what I remember. And not Louis Lane. Not Louis Lane. What we left with? Felicity Hoffman. Oh, thank God.

There was always just like socks everywhere and, you know, she was the epitome of this mother drowning under the chaos. Yes. So one of her kids has these ADHD tablets that I think Ritalin or one of those. And another mum in the line says like, you know, if you take them and you don't have ADHD, at like yeah

and then so she does it one night and then she's just up all night she's done everything she's clean the house she's made all the costumes does anyone need anything else where here we go she's finally reached

the level that everyone else appears to be at yeah she always feels less and like she's strabling and suddenly she's managing to do everything and she's so bright-eyed and even though obviously it's a sort of cautionary tale

about the damage of this thing I remember watching it being like I want that so about it I remember that episode how can I get my hands on some of those even I wasn't very old I have thought that quite a lot

throughout university and stuff because in America there's a real problem with Ritalin. I've been like, well, I wish there was a real problem over here. I wouldn't mind it. Or it was pro plus, but that's why there's a problem because it's dreadful for you. It's blocking everything. So it's obviously going to cause a massive problem later.

Your eyes are going to be shot out of your head then. Well, I just remembered that somebody did sell me one once in Freshers. Wow. And I was too scared to take it. It just sat on my desk for ages and actually really improved my work ethic because I never took it. And I kept being like, well, when it's a real emergency,

see, I'll take it. Yeah. Because it was like to not make you not go to sleep. It was to keep you awake for 40 hours or whatever. And I was like, okay, well, when I really need it. And then I never did because I was always too nervous. That's really excellent. I think I gave it back.

Just like, such a poor, such a bad. Ralling around in the bottom of your bag. People always are there's a big drug scene at our university. And I'm always like, I don't think so. Because people are giving back their drugs. Their one written that they got six months ago. Yeah, and then I gave it back. That's great.

Yeah. If you want to nap like a fucking champion, it's between two and five, two and four. Don't do the coffee power nap thing. 50 to 20 minutes, put an alarm on, put your phone on airplane mode. Basically, we should be, napping should become like a thing, like a nice tool that you can use. Maybe it needs the word power on the front. Power nap, it has to be a power nap. For us to take control.

Yeah, it's like nap did get rebranded. The power nap. It's like the difference with men's products, like men shampoo is all. like cool breeze. Women's shampoo is like Lily blossom. And it's like yeah, power nap sounds so much better than nap. Definitely. I'm going to have a nap now. Yeah, lovely. If there was a pod in here, I would get in it. Genuinely, a lot of the banking work experience guidebooks

say make sure you are there before your day officially starts. Make sure you're always seen to leave after your day has finished. Never take your full lunch break. Like those are literally the like ways to get ahead in business. like instruction, which is, I think we have got a slightly walked attitude that it is, obviously, if you were only doing one day and you get as much done this one day as you possibly can, great idea. Let's set off at the cracker dawn, let's work through lunch, let's get this thing done. But if it's that that is your life every single day, then that can only like drive you into the ground. Like that is not a long term solution. It is a short term solution. And we are running ourselves

on short term solutions on a long term basis. Oh my God, that's, oh, that's good. Hell That is so good. That is fantastic. If you really want to get more into this, the four-hour work week, which is a book by Tim Ferriss, it's possibly something you'd recognise. It's like a big, really thick, big white book

with red writing with a silhouette of something. Every self-help book, ever. Yeah, well, it sort of came out a bit before the wave really started. It's got a silhouette of someone in a hammock. He also made the four-hour body and the four-hour work week was the idea that you could if you did it properly work,

just four hours a week and, you know, become a millionaire or whatever. Good Lord. It's an interesting book and, I mean, he is crackers, absolutely crackers. But there are some really interesting stuff in there. He basically did like all various kinds of different experiments on himself about like ways to be more productive. And one of them was the sleeping thing in which he was awake for two hours, had a 20 minute nap, was a wait for two hours all day. So that was, oh my God. That became his life.

And he, I believe. I think that sounds too weird. Well, that's the thing. It's like, Try it. Have a go. It's hard to get it to work. Like, it's hard to do it.

Have you tried it? No. That's insane because you need to be, I think he does take himself off into the wilderness to get into the habit of it. So then it's just like him doing his own thing. I think he's traveling. I think he's trying to get a distance,

which is like, yeah, we're walking. Then I lie down and sleep when my timer goes off. It's just like, the timer goes off. You have to lie down, no. The timer stops. You have to get up and you have to get up. I think he did like it. But also he was a load.

in the world just walking along. It's called the extreme Superman method and there are variations on that of like five hours plus two hour sleep or whatever like that becomes your rhythm but I think it's just as with many things it's impossible to be that person

and also live a functioning social life but you can't have a family and kids and go to a party if in the middle of your alarm goes off and you have to drop to the floor and lots of sleeping and you have to get in your like make shift pod and go upstairs to sleep and they'll be like I'll back down in 20 minutes

yeah and also a lot of people listening will have a nine to five working week. Imagine being like, I'm just like to have a nap, nap, not. But that's the thing is like this pod. Metro naps. Metro naps, that's exactly it, isn't it, about it, saying yes, you can actually.

If you're working one of those special places that do have napos, like Google and those like things. But also like you can do it on the weekends. Like it's better for you to get up a normal time rather than have a lion and have a nap that it is to have like a massive lion because then that just knocks you out. And that's a very holiday thing, isn't it?

Because on holiday often you get up and you go and do something and then you come back to your hotel room and have a sleep and then and you're like oh everyone feels well like everyone feels really good and you're like it's this is a thing we could carry on doing it's the napping yeah it's not the sun it's not the seat it's the napping it's the napping before it's the oh we're in now and then it's a little sleep and a bath before dinner oh gladdy hell see look we napping was interesting i'm not saying it wasn't interesting i did that I'm sorry for bringing that and now I know that it is fascinating it's fascinating I've totally changed the stigma has been shown to me I was in the wrong

so glad no you weren't in the wrong you weren't in the wrong you just for saying me redemption in the space. I did offer a resentment. Thank you so much for helping me through that. I feel like I know a bit more about napping and I will now just, I'm not going to be so frightened of it

and think that I'm bad at it because I don't think you can be bad at it if you just like follow those simple really, really simple little guidelines. I wish you all the best. I hope next time we speak if... I won't because I'll be asleep. Oh, okay.

Of course. But please tell me how your napping goes. I will. Maybe my adult thing can be like, I have three naps this week and everyone would be like, that's not an adult thing, but it is.

But it's taking control. I had three what? Naps. No. Power naps. Power naps. I'm an adult. I'm an adult.

And I'm like, oh. Okay, great. Tweet is a picture of you napping. Don't do that. Don't feel obliged. Please don't. If you have any thoughts about future podcasts or things that you want to hear us talk about or tackle or blather on about, then please tweet us at Nobody PanicPon pod. I'm at Stevie M. the S is a 5.

I'm at Desiccote. And her email is Nobody Panic Podcast at gmail.com. And have a lovely week. And thank you so much for listening and continuing to listen. and say well, let yourself, so bye.