Nobody Panic - How to Pack

Episode Date: August 18, 2020

Terrible at packing? Always bring too many things and eight pairs of high heels ‘just in case’? Tessa once tried to fly to Jersey from Edinburgh with a big bag full of wet clothes, and Stevie spent seven years dragging around an old vintage suitcase with no handle so the one way to push it was to crouch down beside it. With some top tips from professional packers, they learn how to pack like the pros. Recorded by Ben Williams and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Welcome to Nobody Panic, where we help you out with some various things. I guess that's what the podcast is.

I'm Stevie. I'm Tessa. That's all you need to know. That's it. That's the podcast. Just slowly trying to help. Yeah. And today, well, to be honest, I only just realise this as I'm speaking.

So today, we were doing one that Tessa has wanted to do for quite a while. And it's also I have as well. God, I'm up for it too. It's how to pack because I think that is such. oh my god it's such an art form and it's one that i've never actually indulged in but i've realized that that sounds like we are really promoting going away on holiday at this point no listen we understand that this one is something that you can listen enjoy forget and come back to in the future when you're next allowed to travel which is i mean we are fully allowed to travel because everyone

is literally on holiday i know right now yeah but but it's not but there's a real opinion split on whether that's a cool thing or not. And look, guys, I'm not going to come down on it either. No, no shade. No, the packing one, while not currently crucial, is something I have always wanted to do because I'm so, so bad at it and really quite dreadfully bad. And actually, I think what inspired us both, and you might not remember this, Stevie, but we once found this article in The Telegraph about... I think about it every day. Every day. Wow. It was by Emily Maitlis and is that what you were thinking of? Yeah. And she was, Emily Maitlis is, I was going to say she's from news round, but you know what I mean. And she, Emily was writing very amusingly about how good she was at packing and how she just has to be able to jet off at any time and go different places and cover all these amazing news stories and about how she's so good at packing that she packs her socks inside her little cafeteria kettle. And then, um, she once forgot they were in there and then cooked her socks.

And what really excited us was her telling us about, telling us personally. She came around, she came around and then she wrote the article while she was with us. Can I tell you about these, I only take with me three matching dresses. I found one fantastic dress and I was like, I'm going to get it in every color. One in black, one in white and one in red. And the black she uses for serious somber events when she needs to present about some serious news. white is for when she's shooting at night or there isn't enough light, so she needs to create the light by having the white dress on,

and red for being in the press conferences. And she says, when you wear it on your own, you think, like, oh, this dress is too bold, but every single time she's in a press conference, they say, yes, lady in the red dress. It's this sort of, I mean, like, it's obviously that's much more than packing. So this article really expanded our minds on just like how to get attention in press conferences as well. Right. Not so much.

And we really... The fact that she put stuff in her cafeteria and also just the way that she folded everything in on itself, the thing was is that it was one of the most remarkable articles I've ever read in my entire life. And it should have been so boring. And both the end of it separately. It should have been so boring.

And then we like, we've not only read it, we were captivated and thought about it for years afterwards. So this is dedicated to her and to trying to be this sort of efficient woman who just knows that you need three dresses and read for a press conference, you know? 100%. And also just on a very basic level as well,

like packing, even not with your three different types of dresses, just with your normal clothes, is something that I find, for example, very boring. And so I leave it until, I'd say like a minute before I have to leave. And we will get into that. But before we do, what's the adult thing that you've done this week? My adult thing is quite excited about it. Jack Rook, friend of the podcast, who came on to talk about, which his book has just come out this week, it's called Cheer the Fuck Up.

And it's about helping a friend in crisis. And he did a really lovely episode with us about exactly that, helping a friend going through something. He showed up at my house, drunk on his birthday, with no warning. And I brought him in and I fed him some leftover dinner. And there was a chilled champagne in the fridge already. And I just said, I'll just open this champagne. It was the most exciting moment of my life. Oh my God. That's insane.

Where was the champagne from? How did you just have Shell champagne? Okay. It just bought it for some fun. Truth be told, it was Praseco. But in the moment, who's to say? There was something. He certainly can't.

He's true. He didn't know. I was just burst in something and saying it was champagne. And I put him on my roof. Everyone's famous with the roof where the door fell off. I fixed the door. Put him on my roof. Looking over the London skyline.

I just happen to, honestly, since I just have been trying to be a person who has a chilled champagne in the fridge. But then what's happening every week is I drink it. No, this is like I try and have different selection of wines in my nice wine rack. So when people drop around. They're just like, yeah, or even just actually at this point, because no one's come around to my house at the moment. Exactly. It's me. But I'd like to be like, oh, oh, which wine shall I have tonight?

but I've never got that far because I keep buying one and then drinking it that night and then having like half it left and then I'll finish that next night and so I've only ever had one on rotation and then like a very old bottle of vegan baileys. Yeah, but just looking at your like drinks counter or wine, having more than one,

having a wine already in the house. I think that is, that's it. That's the upper echelons, you know? And not only did I have a wine in the house, I had, it was cold. I just, I was absolutely high on my own supply. I just, anyway, I was buzzing because I've always wanted to be someone where people just popped in,

and I've always wanted to be able with drinks available. So you basically, your dream happened. My dream happened. So thank you for being part of the journey. Yeah, I've really hit Nirvana. What's yours? I bought a fan. Is that that that thinking?

Did you hit Nirvana? Really. Really good. Give that some time to roll around the old brain. Yeah, I'm 32 years old, and I bought my first fan this week. I've lived through countless heat waves, countless heat, probably at least two or three a year. And every single time I need movement of air. I'm very specific. Like I don't necessarily need to be cold. I just need to feel like I'm alive and the earth is alive and I'm not claustrophobic. And I mean, I'm claustrophobic.

I want to feel like this movement. And so that's a very simple fix, isn't it? Because a fan literally moves air. Yes, it couldn't be more, you know. Do you like it to go like this? I don't like oscillating. I don't like oscillating. What I've done is I've bought like an ambient now. I've bought a tower or as we're calling him, Longboy. And he is, he's got like various settings.

And basically he doesn't just like direct a very thin blast of the air at you. He makes the whole room, it's like supposed to be like ambient movement. So it feels, look, it feels good. it feels great. I just was, I think the problem is, and this is, this will move on to,

it's the same problem that I have with suitcases, which will bring us on to package. That's convenient. It's very convenient. So I can't fit enough clothes in him. No, is that I am,

I found to something that whenever I go online, I'm like, how much? It's for moving air around. Okay, you couldn't fuck off. And so I don't buy it. And we're talking like,

you know, it's not like, you can't buy them about, you can have 700 pound ones, sure, but they're around like 50, 60, 70 quid. And that's, you know, look, that's where you have to part with if you want to move your air around. You want to be an air. I don't like that.

So every time I'm like, oh, I don't know. I just, oh, I don't know. So then I don't. And this time I was like, okay, I'm just going to do it and just part with that money. And just, I've learned now that that is how much it costs. Similarly, to segue into suitcases, first almost rule of packing, before you've even put the things in it, what's the thing that you actually put the things in and i don't know about you but i so i got bought a um like a like a good suit like a sampsonite suitcase for my like 21st for my aunt in i was but like

cool okay great um and it's like a green lime green one it's the thing is it's small it's so it's like a it's like a weekend away one and i've i've still got it and it still works perfectly but it's too small so then it's like, well, now I need, you know, when we go to the Edinburgh Festival, that's like a month long, or if you just go on holiday, you need a big old boy, you need a big old suitcase boy. I have never had a suitcase, a big suitcase that just does all of the things it's supposed to do. My current one is a primark one, because I cannot cope with how much a big, good suitcase it's cost. I refuse. And even I know, I'll academically say things like, you know what, I will invest. I won't.

The one I've got now, perfect wheels, perfect zip, really roomy, loads of pockets, Primark about 10 quid doesn't stand up on its own, so you have to, so it falls over. And this is the one before that, and I think you will remember this, it was in 2014 I had this, it was like a beautiful looking vintage old suitcase, like a, it looked really lovely, but it had no handle that you pulled out, but it did have wheels, so I'd have to crouch down and just push it along along. And that is so indicative of that particular time in our lives

that we were just like, yeah, it doesn't have a handle. So this is the workaround. No one commented on it. No, we would like, of course. No, we were like, that's the suitcase you've got. And I think we were like, that's nice. It's all quirky, little vintage number. And then you were just very tall, just crouched down,

dragging it, dragging it along. And we were like, yeah, that's just how we, that's how we go places. The beginning of my transition to, and it's, and again, as with so many things in life, it's just discovering that things are so expensive. And you're like, but what? But I can get this really cheap one and then discovering buy cheap, buy twice, or buy cheap, buy 18 cheap suitcases, you know? And be so upset.

And be so upset. That's also part of it. It's like, yeah, but this one was only 10 pounds. It's like, yeah, but yes, but it's. doesn't do its job because it breaks every time you go anywhere and you're always thinking about it taking up that for those 10 pounds is also living rent free in your head all the time because you're always having to do something around this fast forward yourself to when that splits in the airport or that splits on the road and how much you would pay in that moment for that not to have

happened pop that money on spend it at the time my my transitional moment was flying from edinburgh to jersey for a wedding at the end of the edinburgh festival I got up at 5 a.m. to be in Edinburgh, to fly from Edinburgh to Jersey and to be ready for a wedding that day. And I arrived drunk at the airport. But listen, we were idiots. You just think like, I think I'll drink through the night and then go. That's the best thing to do here. With my clothes, which I'd obviously packed 20 minutes before I had to leave for the airport, they were some of them. And I remember being like, what a smart girl. I'll do my laundry the day before. Of course, it wasn't dry. So now I had a bag of wet clothes in a bin bag. And I got to the check-in.

And I was just like, barely like, you know, you know how you look. And a bag of wet clothes. And the checking lady was like, listen, I'm going to give you the free. You're overweight on your, you're overweight. Sort out. You're over your baggage weight. But I'm just going to like let you go through. But for your own sake, like, buy a bag.

Like go and get a bag. Like you don't, just come on. Just come on. on. And I was like, yeah, okay. So then I bought like just, again, just the cheapest one in the, from the like the Sampson night thing. And I did feel like such a fancy lady. But many years later, the zip did break. But that just that first initial transition, that taste of the dark side of like, oh my God, is this what all the grownups are doing? They've just got a bag. They've just got a normal bag. So number one, get a good suitcase or a bag or a backpack or whatever kind of

traveling is you want to do. Like, get the thing that, and you're like, what? No, I want to spend my wait and save my money to do exciting things. This will be you spending the money to do exciting things. You won't have the energy to do the exciting things. It'll be so sad. Every day will be another drama with the bag. Like just... You don't have to like...

So, you know, we're on the Samsonite website. I mean, we can't see... It's like we're sponsored by Samsonite. I would also like to be sponsored... I'll get it in quickly. I'd like to be sponsored by steam lime luggage. If you are a lady who thinks they would... They live in perhaps the wrong era and you wish you had just leather-bound trunk.

and if that is appealing to you and you're like, yes, that's me. Google steam line luggage and yes, they're so expensive you'll never be able to afford them, but it's nice to look at. They make like vintage inspired suitcases and they are, I go on there once or twice a week just to look, just to look at all the things. So, well, there we go. So there's luggage porn, sure, but you could also, you don't have to buy the most expensive suitcase like in, like for example, Samsoni.

You don't have to buy the most expensive one within the Samsonite thing. you just have to get yourself a Sampsonite that is big enough, for example. I can't think of any other brand of suitcase, but there are so many. But, I mean, like, essentially, you just have to not buy a primark one. Also, something I did this year is I literally manifested myself a suitcase. I decided, for Christmas, I was like, I've always wanted to prop a big suitcase. I don't have to, everything isn't falling apart. And I was like, this is what I'm imagining.

It's black, it's got like gold or maybe even a rose gold, like zips, lots of little pockets, lovely stands up four wheels or this and I drew it and then I was like and maybe inside the thing is lovely and I sort of gave that I drew it Yeah I drew it

Okay This has only happened to me twice in my life And both times I have managed to manifest it Once when I was seven I drew it My grandparents went on a cruise And said did anyone want anything And I said yes

And I drew this pair of I drew a pair of shoes These flowery sandals With a flower in the middle of it Like such a specific shoe What did they think I was good Anyway they came back With the shoe

like honestly it was just like taken from the page it's like someone had drawn had made the shoe that I drew anyway that's the first time it happened and then there's I should do it more really I don't know I'm not going about I'm going to say draw more more things draw more things obviously and then at Christmas I drew this suitcase I think it just makes you obviously I'm magic so I can't help the rest of you but I think just sitting down and drawing it and being like okay it needs to have this it needs to have these zips this would be helpful then it just gets you in the mindset of like thinking and like looking properly when you're really investing in something. Anyway, my parents found it. It was a Ted Baker one. So also it had the zip pull has a little tea on it for Ted Baker, but in this case,

for Tessa, and the inside has a butterfly design. It's like it was made for me. Wow. Are you to draw a low interest, a high interest ISO? Yeah. Low interest, no, low interest, ISO, sorry. So let's imagine you've got your big, you've got your suitcase, or you've got your backpack, or you've got your duffel bag with wheels, whatever it is, kind of traveling or doing, whatever you're going, you've got the right thing.

Are you just taking it for a weekend away? Does it definitely fit in the overhead locker for Ryanair, or are they going to charge you £80 at the gate? You're on it. Okay. Here's what we're going to do. First thing, we're going to put all our clothes on the bed,

not even get the suitcase out yet. All the clothes out on the bed, ideally not within the same hour that we need to walk out the door. Ideally, yes. But look, who are we kidding? You've got to be out of the house in a minute. So all the clothes on the bed, everything, and your instinct is to like, well, my instinct is always to like put in like a hat or something and be like, done.

The hat goes in first or, you know, like a fascinator. You know, who's to say I won't need it? It's just because we're also addicted to those sort of Instagram videos. where like there's only a few things like neatly in the bag and you're just like oh my mom a string of pearls a a shirt a string of pearls a pair of shoes and we're ready for the weekend no nothing in the suitcase don't even look at the suitcase he lives outside everything on the bed piled up correctly have you got three jump pairs of identical grey jumpers everything goes on the bed and now we're going to take away and this is more well you can have this mantra it's more of a backpacking thing but i think it stands for all packing half the clothes and twice the money.

So, well, quite. But I think it's from the days when you were literally had to take your money in actual, you know, now your money's all digital, so it's irrelevant and you haven't got twice the money, so pointless. But stick to the half the clothes rule,

put them all out on the bed, and now we're only going to take half of those clothes with us. Because you'll have so many things in there that you're like really, truly like, interrogate everything and be like, when will I wear this? And if any part of like, oh, but maybe comes to mind, gone. It's gone.

I find as well quite helpful in recent years that I, when I put it all out, I'm like, I rather than just put, basically I like have the amount of days that I'm away for. And then I'm like, okay, let's just think of like full outfits. So for example, if I'm away for seven days, what are the, and I know where I'm going. So obviously it's very specific on the destination. But like what, okay, so genuinely on the Monday, let's just say I wear this oh a top in trousers and some pads and some great

that's one one and then like I do it like that and then at the end get to throw in some fun extras now that's where it all goes wrong yes but I mean like obviously I will have to rein in the fun extras because the fun extras tend to be just like more clothes and ridiculous but yes I think that I just thought that I just have pop into that

because that might help as well if you're because people visualise in different ways and I used to have checklists so I'd be like how many jumpers how because all I would take is jumpers and shoes I just had so many things I was like I've brought no trousers again again I said honestly I would pack and I'd be like I really smashed it this time and I'd get there and I'd be like what have I brought like what is this famously my sister when she was about maybe this is actually the origin of my packing drama when my sister was about three she we were going away to see some we weren't going very long we went to see some family friends and she came down the stairs

with her little suitcase, a little backpack. And she said, I'm packed. And she was three. And there was other people in our house at the time. And I remember everyone being like, oh, Amy, look at her go. Isn't she incredible? She's just packed her suitcase. Where they were like, has Tessa packed?

And of course, I was just in the corner, you know, like in the dirt or something. And they were like, no, that one. No, she's an idiot. She can't pack. And then all the adults just chanted, she can't pack at me. Good to find the origin of your trauma, isn't it? Anyway, then we get, I don't know, she was three. I don't know why my parents didn't open the bag.

But then when we caught there, she had packed 12 petticoats. So she'd got, she'd just got all the stuff out of the dressing up box and just put them in the bag. And my parents, she was so small. And my parents had just been like, great, that child's sorted. We don't need to pack for her. Anyway, so that's how I. The amount of praise when she came into the kitchen with her bagpack the night before, followed by everybody shouting at me, cut to just petticoats, no one had opened the bag.

Sure, you'd only packed soil. Sure, that's on the point. I'm not saying I'd done it right, but I hadn't claimed I could. So I think that is how I feel every time I open a bag is basically being like, yeah, it's just petticoats again. Stem that off by putting yourself being like, okay, Monday night, where am I going? What do I need to have? Like, here's this, like here's the things.

and then not to get yourself in that mindset of like, but what if I am invited on a yacht, you know, by a billionaire? Like you don't get in high heels. You're not going to be invited on a yacht. And if you are, buy it there, you know? Like put those sort of like, but one-fif moments. Like you forget that you're also travelling there. So you can travel in your like trainers or your like low-key shoes.

Just have to stick to your three genres of shoe. One fancy, one flat and fine. And one like, oh, we're going romping around the countryside. You only need one. You've only got two feet. You only need one of any of those genres. Okay. So you don't be like, oh, but these two heels, I can't decide. No, you're not going on Love Island, unless you are in which case, look, power to you pack more heels. But like, you need to be really, really ruthless with being like, try and pick the footwear that will go with more things. But it's basically attempting to like get into that capsule wardrobe mindset of being like, here are the key pieces. And look, they go there for a thing. I mean, look, we haven't done it. But we know that that's what you're supposed to do. Okay, if you are flying, and so if the bag is going somewhere different to you, you want to keep a different little bag with you, handbag, backpack, whatever,

that has like a change of clothes, pajamas, all the stuff that you might need on the first night when you very first get there, if you're going straight to bed. But also it's if they call it the, if the luggage is lost bag. So just like anything crucial that you could still survive on the holiday if you had just these tiny few things in a bag. that's something you only learn to do once the airline has lost your luggage but you can so my mum does it now because it happened to her multiple occasions but you can have it without having to go through that just as a lovely

that's a very good idea it's just one very very simple thing so then when you get there and you because obviously sometimes you forget that there are shops in the place where you go so you can absolutely buy things it's not the Arctic you know yeah unless you go into the Arctic in which case look if you if they've lost your luggage that you have to go back. Sorry. If you are going to the Arctic, this is not the podcast for you. You need a better, clearer list of things you need. And we don't know what it is. And also good luck out there. Right. This is what we're doing. In the bag, we are trying to create sand, not pebbles. Oh, okay. So imagine if you're trying to put loads of pebbles in your bag. Obviously, you could only

get so many pebbles in because they don't stick together properly. So there's loads of pockets of air, right? And you're like, well, that's a waste. So all these air bits, trying to get my pebbles in. But sand, hello, you could fill right to every crevice full of sand because there's no air pockets. So that's what we're trying to do. If you just like fold everything up neatly like it would be in a shop just like on top of each other. Or, you know, without sort of, you create all these pockets of air that's just wasted space. So that's what we're trying to do is like get rid of the air. So no fault, no more folding.

This is the future where we roll and stuff. Roland stuff. Roland file. Roland. Roland file. Roland file. It's the Roland file technique. He created it. He created it. Okay, so you've been ruthless with your clothes.

You've got rid of half of the things. You've promised yourself you only need three pairs of shoes in the three different categories. Suitcase comes out. Footwear in first. Biggest thing, wear that for travelling. Second biggest things, the shoes go in first. We're going to tuck them at either edging up on either side of the suitcase. And then we're going to roll up our pants and our socks and we're going to put them inside our shoes. That's good.

I offer an alternative if you have like too many pounds. My dad who travels all the time for work in all different types of places, his one packing tip that he taught me when I was little, which I still do actually, is to put your pants, basically he does all of his clothes and stuff first. And then he like basically slides his pants and socks in, because he doesn't have bras,

but also braz if you're, if you need bras, on the outside so that he can just always just like, grab them whenever he wants. He always knows where they are. But that's the same with shoes though. Like if they're in your shoes, then you know where they are. They're in your shoes. And then the problem is when you like, where put the shoes on and then you and then wear your pants, then you pop them on the outside. So they're either in your shoes or they're on the outside and then you always know where they are. Exactly what he's done there. He's created

sand not pebbles. He has stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, all the pants in into all of those little air pockets so that it's always, you know. So anything that's small, like t-shirts, things that count, t-shirts are going to roll them up really tight, like a little, well, sausage. And then top tip, put your hair ties around them. Oh, that's good. Always need more hair ties than you think. Get them around those sausages. Okay, so dealer's choice here, if you want to go thin, long sausages, they can go horizontal and just tuck them wherever you can thread them in. if you're going the double fold so you've made a real chunky boy a real chunky sausage roll then lovely you can go straight down vertical so you're looking at everything it's also neat people it's like a

bookshelf you just select exactly right so yeah you'd look at that and you'd be like i mean you'd be like wow if i saw someone open a bag that had chunky boys faced up i'd be i'd be really impressed right so now you've got whatever design technique you've gone for up or down you've created a very very tight sand packed, there's not an air, there's nothing. And you're hopefully only about halfway deep into your suitcase now. And that what you've got in there is you've got your shoes, your t-shirts, your pants, your socks, what we'd call like little things and stuff that you aren't particularly worried about wrinkling. So now we're moving to trousers, dresses, shirts. Okay. So you want to get, so so you've got two pairs of trousers and we'll call this the

concertina effect. Place one waistband in the middle of your suitcase with the legs, hanging off the side and then place the other pair of trousers waistband on top of that with the legs hanging off the other side and then fold in the legs fold in the legs okay so what you created is like you minimize the air pocket but also you stop them getting wrinkled up because they have got each other in between and that's what you do and then you layer up any dresses anything longer goes on top of the sand layer in this special fancy design understood and with with dresses are we just like laying on as flat as possible we're not rolling again it depends on the dress.

I would say if it's like either you're just trying to get it in as best as possible, then roll it. But if it's a fancy dress, then go for this like spreading. Spread it out and get another dress inside it. So get this sort of concertina effect. And so for rolling, we're going T-shirts. We're going like cotton dresses that aren't like a thing. They're just like a fun, like busy, casual wear.

Yeah, pajamas, those things. They're bulking up our bottom layer. And then we move into the more classier stuff. And this I learned from my god sister, who is? a pilot with British Airways. This is what they teach you at cabin school when you need to like pack nothing, pack, you know, where you've got such a tiny space and you need to pack all the time. Yeah, so then the dresses, smart dresses would fold into each other on this like top level.

And if they're really smart, you want to put like tissue paper or a dry cleaning bag or something like that. And the reason that you use a dry cleaning bag is because they're so shiny that they don't, they keep slipping around and that's what stops them getting wrinkled up. Fascinating, hey? Interesting. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So then on top of that, Leigh, we go for if you've got a belt, if you're a fancy boy or a fancy lady, with a belt or a cowboy. Your instinct is to roll them up like a nice snail, but instead you're going to put them thin all the way around the edge of the suitcase.

Like a very dead snail. A terribly dead snail, like a little snake. And then very top layer is all your toilet trees and things and what's recommended by everyone. But mostly our Lord and Savior Mary Condo is that you have a separate travel washbag that you keep. and it might take you many years to build up all, like, you know, things are expensive, so you might spend a long time building up all the miniature versions of all your favourite things, but you want to make a travel wash bag and that one you'd never unpack. So you aren't then, then you don't lose your toothbrush, you don't forget things.

Oh, you never unpack it. The problem is that I use my suitcase for like storage in my actual flat because I don't have enough storage. That's the problem. That's right. Maricondo has a massive house and loads of money. But it's a good thing to aim to. You can keep your travel wash bag inside that storage bag, though, right? could do maybe maybe well listen

let something go and put the travel wash bag in there well it doesn't have to live in the suitcase it's just so much that it doesn't you don't put all your toiletries in the wash bag and then when you get home back out again because that's how you forget things and you lose everything if you just have a travel wash bag

that you're like it could live in the bathroom doesn't have to live in the suitcase it's just like and there it is and we're ready to go I just pick that up and I know it's got my toothbrush I know it's got my stuff in it I know it's that's very smart and very yeah I like that a lot. Smart. Also, as well, someone said as well, which was why I used to, you know, like, you've got

like an outside pocket on your suitcase. I'd always put things like, yeah, makeup and basically all that stuff that you can't put in your cabin stuff because it's got liquid in it. I put it in there and obviously, then you see how they're treating the suitcases. They're just like throwing them all over the place. Like, right, that's smashed, doesn't it? That's right. So you have to put, and often sometimes, well, my mom does this, is it wraps.

So there'll be, I don't know, a jumper or something, she'll wrap the travel bag or your makeup in something. Very smart. It's padded. Yeah, that's smart stuff. And maybe, I guess, if you travel, you fly a lot, having it already in like a smart, clear plastic bag, not like the Ziplot bags because they just may you feel so sad,

but like just having your makeup already in a clear one. You're like, yep, there it is. There we go. Yeah. Seamless, seamless, seamless. Otherwise, you're the person, hello, who always always. discovers they've got something at the bottom of their bag. They didn't even know it was there.

I had a hammer. Yeah. They were like, you can't bring that. And I didn't know. And you're like, no, fair enough, actually. That is, do take that off me. Yeah. Mine was a golden Soviet blade.

It was really... I mean, that's insane. What was the blade? Why did you have the blade in there? Because I'd been to... Well, it'd come back from Russia. We went to Russia on the Russian exchange. And I bought it then.

And it had come back in my backpack. You'd bought a knife? Yeah. Well, okay. I've less sympathy of you because you thought you could go through. But that's the thing I did. I did go through back through customs with it. I know.

I had it on me on the plane. I didn't know it was there. And then the next, and then I just left it in my backpack. But then the next time we went anywhere, months later, they brought that out at the check-in. And I was like, no, quite right. I did not know I had that.

And I can see how it makes me look. Okay. And then very last thing, just a note on travel cubes, I don't care for them. But if that's, makes you happy, they're mostly helpful, less that less that they help packing and more that they help you organise your stuff. So if you're someone who needs to travel too, oh sorry, it almost looks like a soft lunchbox. It's not going to help you save any space. But if you know that you're like,

I like to have all my t-shirts in one thing and all my things in this and that helps me mentally organize it, then do it. But I don't know if I love them. And then last thing, always travel. You remember your travel adapter and keep that always in your bag. And again, that's something that you just be like, just get a good quality one. Like, that will break if you get it from Primark. Just get a good one. And then you'll have to buy another one. So just like, bite the bullet, invest, get a good travel plug.

And very last thing, a pack of cards. Always. A bit of fun. A bit of fun. A bit of fun. Because you will end up in a mess. And then someone will be like, I've got some cards. And lo, you've made friends with the boys on the next door table. Come on.

And that's what we're all here for. We're just here to make, to play cards with the boys on the next door table. That's all we want. Yeah. That's all we want. That was great. I want to pack now, but not go anywhere. Yeah, maybe I'll just have a go at packing. I feel like Emily Metless now, or mate list, mateless.

I feel like I'm ready to do the news channel. News night, I think it is. Thank you. Since I said news run, I have been like, okay, I pass that off as a joke, but what is the show called? Thank you so much, Tessa, for bringing all of that knowledge. Thank you for letting me do this thing I've been passionate about for so long. always minding on about wanting to pack and I think we were waiting for

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