Nobody Panic - How to Quit Social Media with James Acaster (Live at Soho Theatre)

Episode Date: July 4, 2023

Comedian and Ghostbuster James Acaster tells Stevie and Tessa how to quit social media in about ten seconds before having a nice chat about Twitter in general. Don't expect a huge amount of tips but certainly expect a rollicking good laugh. Subscribe to the Nobody Panic Patreon at patreon.com/nobodypanicWant to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded by Soho Theatre and edited by Aniya Das for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Really nice. So today's episode is about how to get off social. media. It's gone very quiet, very tense. Very serious subject. That's a very serious. And James asked today if we would be doing it in character. So we're all going to be playing the parts of, I don't know, American fun women.

No. We are going to not be doing it in character. I guess there's no disguise, isn't it? I've never listened to the podcast before. I've also never listened to my own podcast or any podcasts. Is yours in character? Yes. Yeah. Kind of. A little bit.

So basically, James, what we do at the beginning of the podcast that you've never listened to, is me and Tess is like the most kind of grown-up things we've done this week. And rather than do ours, because there's some more people in the room, we thought we'd do everybody else is. We're just going to read some out and just have a nice time for a bit. Well, everyone gets themselves settled into it. If anyone who's never heard it before, oh, there's only so few of you.

You'll have to grasp it. There's one man, and I think he's got a handle of it. Yeah, okay. Okay. Go on, James. Purchased a tiny chopping board so that I can chop a lemon and not have to wash up the big one. Tiny lemons. Put up shelves in the boiler cupboard

with the help of my ex, question mark? What's the question of? What's it your ex? Are you not sure? And then you broke up immediately after doing the shelves. You got them for some DIY. Fuffed in the cupboard and they're out. Googled burnout.

Yeah. That's solid stuff. You're not doing that as a kid. That's a stretch. I've seen the word inflation, so I'm going in. Accepted that my phone bill price was increasing by 18% because of inflation without throwing a tantrum. Okay, that was too adult, actually.

I don't understand where inflation is. And do one more each, and then we'll just get into it. Got my national insurance number. Oh, they give you those when you're born. What are you up to? I'm not sure about this one. Okay. You do have to say it.

No, no, no, I'll say it, because I'm not sure how much of an adult thing it is. I'd like to get everyone's take on it. It's very long, yeah. Called a woman to inform her that her 16-year-old had been vaping in school, then spent 10 minutes comforting her and reasoning that she can't always be responsible

for what her teenager does. It's being a snitch grown-up? And then trying to make up for your snitchery by weirdly comforting the mum. I don't think that's good. Vaping. Vaping's grown up. If there was a kid vaping in my school,

that would have been the goodest kid in the school. Yeah. Everyone else, I'd absolutely fucked off their heads. There's one kid vaping square. Okay. I've got a little phone notes here, and it says questions for jam. James, that's what I meant.

Okay, so I wanted to ask you about social media and giving it up. Why did you come off it? You've written a book all about how to come off social media. But it's fiction. But it's fiction. But just to say...

It's a laugh. It's a laugh. It's a joke and it's all made up and turns out that when we did the marketing, we weren't clear enough about that. And if you want just a bit more extra entertainment after the show,

read the Amazon reviews. A lot of people thought it was a genuine self-help book and a pretty livid. But it is called how to come off social media, isn't it? It's called James Eckers Guide to quitting social media, being the better you can be in curing yourself of loneliness, volume one. And the cover is me, deliberately looking like an absolute asshole. I honestly saw the cover and thought he slicked his hair back, he's got serious.

That's why I thought. Well, you're not the only one. I slicked my hair back. I've got a pink t-shirt and like a blue suit over the t-shirt trainers like this. And everyone's gone. And that's real. That will help me quit social media. And then they read it.

And the first chapter is me claiming that outside of Tom, I was the first person ever to join MySpace. And they go, this is not real. One of those bits of advice of how to come off social media is to build a castle. I don't like it. They get very angry about it. Was there a catalyst for you? Because you have done it, though, right?

I think that's my question. It was, yeah. Yeah, but you didn't use the word catalyst. I just wanted the people. Sorry. What was your catalyst? And also have you come off social media and why? I just wanted the people to know about the book.

Yeah, yeah, there's a book. And also, how's you come off social media, James? Now I'm ready to me. That's a great question. Thank you. Why? Because of the same reasons all of you don't like it. We always try and make out like, oh, I'll tell you why.

Like we're saying stuff that no one's ever heard before. But really, all of you know why you don't really like being on it. I quite like, okay, all right, I quite like it. You don't like it. No, I don't. You had a whole podcast where the premise was you hated it. Yeah, I literally did, yeah. Okay, okay, but it is more complicated than that because some people, they rely on it for their news.

Or you're like, this is a really fun meme of a hat. I mean, I've never seen that particularly. You can imagine what that would be. But like also as well, it's a community, you feel like you're part of something and it's human beings. We want to be part of a community. It's deep in our DNA, baby. I guess I'll answer those individually. I don't get my news from there, so I was okay.

Fuck, okay. I don't like hat memes. What? The only thing I hate more than hat memes is being part of a community. Okay. The main reason was just that I was on it too much. So it wasn't that like, when you come off of it, everyone thinks, oh, he must have been, because like, especially if you're like a comedian or something,

they're like, he must have been getting trolled so bad and everyone must have been so mean to him that then he had to delete it. because it was so horrible. And I know that can be quite overwhelming for people, but I didn't really mind about that stuff. That was fine. You know, I didn't love it. But at the same time, it was pretty funny a lot of the time.

I mean, you know, a lot of people who hate comics, it's kind of inherently funny when you get angry at a comedian you've seen, especially if the comedian in question was talking about apricots. So I don't really mind about that. But it was just that I was on my phone all the time. So, like, I was always checking social media. And that just, you just felt like, it felt like I was just constantly going to KFC.

I just felt like, this regret and dirty. I just like, this is like making me feel unhealthy. Because all I'm doing, especially, actually, if you are a comic, if you've just done a gig, the gig was really great and you enjoyed it, it's nice to just walk away from the gig and have that and not go, oh, I need to go on here and check that other people are saying that it was good. Because even if it's loads of people saying it was good and no one's hate shit, you still feel a bit like, oh, it's a shame that I needed that. And also, you know, if you see one person go, that was chipped tonight, you go, even the good gigs they hate me. So like that's silly. But it was mainly just like I just was tired of, I thought, oh, I think that one day, I'm not sure, one day I might die. And I can't, this can't be my life. My life can't be that. And then dead.

Like, that's a very bleak thought. And I know, hey, if you do, if that is your life and you love it, good on you. I'm not judging anyone who does do it. But I think you should live your life. At least if you're choosing to do something for the majority of your life, it should be something that makes you feel good. If it isn't, and you're choosing to do it and no one's making you do it, then pretty good. What about moderation? Sorry.

Yeah, I think if you're one of the people who goes, okay, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to moderate like this. you got the biggest problem out of anyone. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But I have a question about your time frame. Between the moment of thinking, I can't die like this, and off,

how long we're talking? I guess quite a bit of time. So, because it's app by app. App by app. I was only ever on Facebook and Twitter. I wasn't on the rest of them. Okay, no pictures. My main bit of advice is,

if you don't join it in the first place, then you're fine. At this point, may I speak for us all? Too late. Too late. We're all in. But Facebook, I came off of in 2014. Instantly, didn't miss it. Haven't been back on the site since. You got off.

It's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got off way before the Nazis took it. So well done. Yeah, yeah. I was pretty, I smelt the Nazis. Well done. And then Twitter was 20-19.

Did you take your pictures and run for the hills? Or you just left. I did. I downloaded all my, because you can download your pictures off there. So I did it. But, I mean, I've never looked. No, I know. I've never gone, did the old hard drive out.

Oh, man, the Facebook days, baby. That was so good. Look at all these shittily taken photos. Do you know what I would pay upwards of 200 pounds for, but not 300. A book. Facebook.

It's got a blue cloth and it's in a folio, like in a box, you know. And it is my whole Facebook. All my pictures. All the things. you've written? All the things I've written. You're wall to wall? My wall to wall. It goes chronologically, private messages, everything. It's all in there. And it's, and all my pictures. And I just don't have

to think about it or curate it myself. And someone just does it for me. You can like have a read. Like, why would ever open it? I just want to, I want to know it's on the shelf. Because that's what stopping me leaving for a good is taking the pictures and running. You can do that. Just download it or put it in a flannel. A flannel? You want to, you still, you'd, you'd still, you'd I'm talking about cloth there. Like, like, imagine, like a really old fancy book. Yeah.

Like, bound, like cloth bound. Yeah, yeah. But you'd be hard, but I'm saying you can just pop it in a flannel. Right. And then, you know. We're finding workarounds. Yeah, pop it in a flannel.

Yeah, I'm always trying to help you out, mate. I'm just helping you out. But even then, I've had to curate it. I've had to go through and get them all. I don't want to get them. I'll do it. Have you? Got a teatow.

All right. How much you're charging? 200 to 300 to 300. Not two. 300 at 250, £2.50 for you. Wow. Thank you. Do you want me to do yours?

No. Yes. Actually, yes, I do. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're coming up with solutions here. Wow.

The whole new podcast, I feel. Okay. Yeah. But you create each other's face. Quite tedious of a podcast. Yours will come in a flannel from you and yours will be in an exquisite like Victorian old book. Oh, thank you.

Yeah. You're welcome. That is really good. I will. I will. I'll do it really nice. Right. I'm so, so sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry, James is it, right?

My next question starts with, have you ever popped on with a sock puppet? But actually the full thing is, have you ever popped on? Have you ever popped on with a sock puppet account? And I think I mean by that Twitter, during like Eurovision or a good old sports game. Basically, I've ever gone on Twitter to be like,

what is going on just quietly? Oh, but under a fake... Yeah, I think that's what I meant by sock puppet. Oh, no. I've not created a fake account. Right. But I have definitely, like, if there's like something massive has happened

and whatever, and I've been like, it's because, you know, I'm on text groups and WhatsApp groups and my mates. Sometimes they were talking about stuff. I'm like, I have no idea what they're on about. Something's kicking off. Something's happened. So I'll go on Twitter and like search the thing that they're talking about and go,

okay, up to speed. And you don't get lured back in. You're like, and now I will leave. And you just go on like a Google search. Yeah, yeah. Do a Google or a Twitter thing. Yeah. But if they're like, it's kicking off on Twitter about this,

then I'll just go, oh, I'll just search it. Because it's not like you go, I know, I must remain pure and not go back on that. I honestly think. As somebody who's on it, I honestly believe that that's how you must have to do it. I thought it was like Shailin Monk or nothing. Yeah. Like, you're out. No, no, no.

I mean, as long as I don't have an account. Yeah. It's kind of fine. So all I was on there before was just looking at my own at mentions. I wasn't looking at the... Okay, that's very revealing. I'll happily admit that. I was getting so...

At it so many times a day. It felt great. But then it felt bad to be looking at it all the time because I was like, why do I need this? So that was kind of the main thing. As long as I don't have an account on there, then going on, I'm not seeing, like, people aren't at me and stuff. Do you ever search your own name just for a bit of a look?

I have done. I've searched my own name when, like, again, when things are kicking off. So when people have, like, Ukraine or something. Just, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope I'm not being blamed for this. Again.

Because at any time where my name's been trending or I've gone viral or whatever, someone will text me at some point. and either tell me that that's what's happened or they will like, just reach a note to see if you're okay because of all this. And you go,

and you're going to see what they're on about and then you go on it. And actually, normally, again, because you're not on it and you're not there and you're not a part of it, you're kind of all right with, oh, okay, they all hated me on Jonathan Ross.

And going, knew that would happen. That's fine. So again, that doesn't feel as bad. It's just for context when people are like, yeah, just checking in on this or whatever. That's very tough. That's very tough. That's tough. That's just really tough.

Oh. Did I make it sound tough? No. I was going to say the exact opposite. I was going to say, that sounds really chilled. I just was like, as somebody touched wood, who people don't aren't very mean to often. Okay. Or maybe they are and I'm just not really paying attention.

But like, people like, you go on Jonathan Ross, then people were. Yeah, yeah. They're mean. They're obviously people who feel the opposite and don't like me. But then that's always going to be the case. Yeah, of course. Within the great scheme of things, I think that's fine, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, when you're just starting out as a comic and you're just getting on TV for the first time, yeah, yeah. Those ones are a bit, they knock your off balance, so you haven't had that in your life. I definitely got to the point where I was like,

that is always going to be like that, it's not going to change. It is up to you to how you respond to it because it's either that, or you're just shouting at the fucking sea. I was definitely the generation where all that, we were guinea pigs for it.

And when chat rooms started, when I was in, like, school, and everyone was like, talking for the first time about what's so easy to go on a chat room and not be you and just have a go at everyone and we're still talking about that now

like that was when I was like 14 everyone was like I mean people are just so mean to each other but it's easy because you're not under your own name and you're having to go up and it's anonymous and now we're still at that it's like I don't think that's ever going to change that's going to happen so you just decide whether you engage with it or not

because they're not going to I don't think they're going to police it that's so wise God it is really wise it's just sad in it The only time it happened to me was when I did a Radio 4 show about witchcraft, and somebody tweeted, it came out on the radio. Yeah. What?

It was like, meh. It's just interesting aside. I just thought everybody could catch up on it if they wanted. No, just to say that, it came out, came out live on Radio 4. I went on Twitter, mistake, because I was going to be like, maybe the people will say nice things. They will say nice thing. I thought people were nice to you. Well, then a man.

Oh, God. a man said this is the unf funniest shit I've ever heard even the audience can't laugh and they're like, I'm struggling to laugh they were laughing loads thank you Stevie and then and then

it was the first thing like the 30 seconds of it starting and I was like one idiot to go on Twitter and look for validation what an idiot and then about five minutes later he went all right fair play it's got quite good oh you saw that you're like

I'm going to stare at his profile and then as the episode ended, it was only half an hour long, he said that was actually very funny, but you mustn't joke about witchcraft. But I think about him two to three times a week, you know, it was years ago, and I really

it's so, it's horrible, you know, and then, but if your friends say nice things, you're like, but a stranger says something horrid on the internet, and you're like, and now I'll place that into my core memories, and think of that every day. But extrapolating that out to, like, people who, you know, in the room who aren't comedians, you basically experienced with, like, the sharpest end of that experience that we all have,

which is that someone doesn't like you and it fucks you off, whereas you literally like, you get it really intensely and then you have to go on stage. And you're like, well, they might hate me as like, it's incredibly intense. The fact that you're able to kind of essentially just get over it with time means that like we all can. If someone like at work doesn't like you or is a dick to you

or like on Instagram, you like, I'm not getting any likes or you kind of feel that kind of validation. It's very intense that version, but everybody feels it. And I suppose a lot of people on social media, don't have that what you're like, you know, don't have the radio one thing that someone that goes, I don't like that.

But you can still feel that feeling of being like, that post didn't get as many likes. You can kind of get obsessed with it in a way that is very unhealthy. Yeah. I met a hairdresser and she was like, you've got to know when your boyfriend is cheating. And I was like, right.

Right. Yeah. Okay. So you've got to go on his account and you've got to see what he's liking or what he's looking at. And I was like, right. So she got her.

her up and she was like but look at hundreds you can't see like there's so many things he's looking at crafty you know there's so much stuff there you don't know what he's is and is not looking at and so then she was like what you've got to do is you've got to make a secondary secret account get him to follow that make sure have that as advice make sure you don't follow anybody else and then you can see only him and only the things that he's liking so you've got a constant and I was like, oh my God, what are you, the fucking FBI? And then she was, I was like, what is your account? And it was called Shania Twain, bracket, nudes.

And that... I think as soon as he follows that, that's job done, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. She got him, she got him, baby. And he follows that. It wasn't all nudes. Some of it was just her tour work and, you know, bits of update,

Chenaya Twain, updates and nudes. And he followed it, and then she could see a constant thing of it. And I was like, this is a fucking wild west out there. It's a sickness. It is a sickness. We're in uncharged territory that humanity has never been in before. And we're all just out here being like, well, just don't look at it. Or like, oh, try your best.

Be like, you're joking. I mean, sadly, the solution is very simple, but I know it's not simple to actually get around to doing it. Because the only way you can come off of it is delete your account. That's the only way. And then don't give yourself a hard time any time you peek back on it either. Like, just like, okay, I pete back on it, whatever. And then if you start doing that regularly, you just go, okay, time to not do that for a bit. And also just be open about that.

So I'll say to my girlfriend, like, I've been, like, searching again. I've been rooting. I'm going to, I'm going to not do that. So I'm not pretending to. I'm not like, you know, hide my, you know. Do you not feel left out when everyone's talking about things you don't know in your WhatsApp group? And you, like, do you not feel like there's something going like a party in the next room? You know, like that thing about, oh, if someone's talking about you in the next room, you don't listen.

You're like, well, I will. You've got to listen. You've got to get it. No, but like I say, I might have a little search and then get some context. Otherwise, a lot of the time, what they're talking about is absolutely bollocks. That is true. That is true. So explain it to me what's happened.

This person, but on a talk show or this, it's, okay. That's great. I think it's a bit like sometimes you're out sort of like gold, gold panning. Yes. In the wild west, return to my wild west metaphor. You love the wild west so much. Fucking love it. And, yeah.

Yeah, here you are, panning. And sometimes you get a little, oh, that's a funny meme. Or you think that's jolly. Yeah, save. Put that in the bank. Print it out. Print that out. Popping your bag.

Post that to Stevie. See what she thinks. Yeah, I love it, thank you. And she likes it. And she says, and then best a meme has ever been received is like, you know, like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, that's funny.

You know, like, that's nothing. I've been panning for four hours, you know, covered in shit. And in order to get those tiny little, like all this racism and horrible stuff and all this is washing over me. And I'm just in there panning in case a dog picks up a phone or something. You know? I think I'm cresting towards your, we're all going to die. And this is what I spent my time doing. Yeah.

Yeah, it's scary stuff. But like, here's my tip about memes. Oh. Just become one. And then you won't look for them ever again. As soon as you are a meme, Bon Appetit. Oh, Bon Appetit.

Yeah, that was funny. Just a bit. Yeah, yeah. Just a bit. Is that the only meme, though? That was a while ago. No, there's a few others, but that's the main one that, some people know me as that.

The main thing, though, is back to the advice. Please, yeah. So, Tessa, you're... Too much advice. We don't need it. Tessa, I think you're almost nearly... You basically don't really use Instagram or Twitter really, not true. I'm a peeping tom. I'm a voyeur. Oh, so you're a pervert. I'm a pervert. I'm there. I might as well

be running a feat account. I'm there. I didn't know this. Yeah, in the morning, I look at Twitter for ages in bed and I pretend I'm Princess Margaret reading the Sunday papers. Never ever could have guessed the second half of that sentence. He had stopped halfway through and I had to come up with what came after. Sometimes I read Twitter in bed. Never in a million years. Oh, I make me feel like I'm catching up on the news or like staying present. And like if I pretend they're the Sunday papers. So it's almost like everything else.

If you're kind of happy in your life, you don't really need social media. But if it's like, do you know what I mean? Like we're like, you're like, you're not happy in your life. Well, you're right. You're right. You're like, happy in their life.

Yeah, no, exactly. No, what it is. But if I'm like busy or I'm on holiday or I'm doing something fun, like I won't even dream of looking at Twitter. That is true. Yeah. procrastinating or I haven't got enough schedule to the day, which happens quite a bit,

or anything like that. Then I'm straight on there. And what I do is I trick myself into being like, this is productive, because I'm up to date on the news, like Princess Margaret. Then a bath. Then I have a light lunch with the queen. So that's, that's the thing. And then people like, oh, you're not really on it. It's like, I fucking am. I'm here. I'm looking. I'm so up to date and I don't want to be. I'm mining for shit. And then I'm on Instagram, less so because I don't like the moving pictures. I don't like it. I don't like it. The reels and stuff. You sound like Princess Margaret.

I don't like. So committed to the role. I don't like the moving pictures. I don't like the talkies. I like my talkies. I don't. If I may. Please. My sister is, was very plugged into Instagram in particular and like she will now not go on it all weekend. And I tried to do that. And every single time I would forget. And by like 10 a.m.

I was scrolling again. And it made me feel like I had a, like I was sick. Yeah. Like I had an illness. Because I feel like you could quite easily just stop. You could actually put those little things in place. No. I've tried to quit it so many times. I've deleted it off my homepage. And then I just find a work around. Search it. Yeah. It doesn't work. Then I got this thing called one sec, which is an automation that when you open Instagram, it makes you go, it says, take a breath. champ like that and you have to go up and down. So it's about four seconds. And then it says, you've tried to get on Instagram 16 times in the last 24 hours.

Oh. Your last attempt was seven minutes ago. Do you want to? And then it says, you have to. And then it says, do you definitely want to come in? And I, every time I put, yes. Yes, I do. And that hasn't helped.

So then you're doing it and then you're just feeling even worse about yourself. But that's why can't just stop. There's nothing to look at. I hate follow some babies. What are the babies doing? New twin babies and another one now and the babies run the account. It's been a baby speak but it'll be like

Mommy had to take care of us all night and I'm in, I'm so deep in. That's great, I think we should follow that. Also I should point out that's one of the good things about you come off of it but as long as you're on enough WhatsApp groups enough like text threads with people who hate follow that thought

They'll produce. You get the best stuff. You get the screenshots. I just get screen grabs of every prick. That is the fear. Whatever you do, that someone's screen grabbed your Instagram and is like, look at what she's done. That is one of the tweets I once saw that was like, it said, just so you know, there is a

WhatsApp dedicated to sharing screen grabs of things you've said. And I was like, that's the most disgusting thing. Yeah, it's awful. It is awful. Right. On that note, we are going to have to bring it to a close because, you know, we've got to leave at some point. It will kick us out. It will because they won't. I don't feel like

we've helped anyone or I. I don't feel like I've tried really hard. I think everyone saw that. I was sweating quite a lot. I will say just delete the apps. That's it. Just delete your account. Delete your account. Not the apps. Delete your account. That is the only everything Tesla was said is true.

All the things, any of the way that you try, you will find another way on there. And that's all that will happen. And all the things that are, that the apps are designed to help you cut it down, They're just playing on the same addiction. The only thing that works is fully deleted your accounts. That is the only hope you've got.

What do you do instead? I just like, I look at a lot of walls. You saw me looking at them. We went in before because he was on his own in the dressing room. He said we were allowed to go outside. Yeah. I was like, what were you doing? I was looking at the posters.

But that's the thing. You don't notice the posters if you're looking at your phone. Fair do's. I mean, no, I mean, to be, to be honest, now I'm mainly just looking at. at my phone all the time when I'm on the WhatsApp groups and the, uh, and the, uh, that still is like an issue. That is still something I'm like, I'm still on my phone too much, but the stuff I'm looking at doesn't bum me out as much, but I still am on my phone too much. Okay, right. So the

next thing is just get rid of your phone. It's just throw it away. Every time I hear about someone who doesn't have a phone, I'm like, oh man, that sounds amazing. I want to do it so bad. I would love it. I mean, I would lose my job in a day. I, I, I'm at, somebody without a phone and they came to a meeting and with a map of them they were 20 five minutes late they had a map like a pirate hand drawn on a napkin like a pirate like a pirate to get to the meeting and then they were going to another meeting and we in the room had to draw them another map for their next for their next thing and I was like and is it nice having a Nokia 3210 is it nice I was like this is it's all like oh I don't have a phone but like the people around you are

like this is a hellscape okay I'm going to do it I'm going to what a mom. I'm going to think about deleting it. Oh, okay. I'm not, because all my work would disappear, but I'm going to really respect you for doing that. Thank you. And I'm going to really try and just, I'm going to begin the process towards ending.

Now that Elon's there, for God's sake, what we're all doing, you know? He's ruined it for everyone. He has. And that's the end. Thank you so much for listening. James, thanks so much, James, for joining us. Thank you so much for being here.

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