Nobody Panic - How to Re-Enter Society (After Covid)

Episode Date: April 13, 2021

Worried about any/all elements of the New Normal? Concerned you will freak out at the pub, with friends or just feeling a vague panic and not sure where it’s coming from? Tessa is now scared of going on trains and Stevie is frightened about FOMO - so you are absolutely not alone. They talk through the best ways of overcoming post pandemic re-entry without burning up in the atmosphere (yes this space/rocket analogy features heavily throughout).Want to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive Productions.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Follow Nobody Panic on Twitter @NobodyPanicPodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Great start. Oh, God. Come on in. I think this slightly chaotic energy is indicative of the theme of the podcast, which is about re-entering society or how not to burn up on re-entry into the... What is that? What are they re-entering? The post-pandemic apocalyptic era. No, in space. What are you actually reentering? Oh, the atmosphere. The atmosphere. Thank you so much. The atmosphere. We have sort of touched on this, haven't we, because we did an episode about how to... basically have a conversation because we'd realized that that was going to be the issue.

But that wasn't COVID-specific. It then became a little, it had a little bit of that in it. But I think there is a very much, oh, it's just a very big time, isn't it? And I think I feel exactly the same as I did last year. Also, we're in the UK, obviously. And also, we should just say that the podcast at each week, we do a how-to. And this is just something that we think is quite relevant at the moment. In the UK, so obviously there are, if you're listening in other places,

it will be all different, but there will be a point, hopefully, where you'll have to re-enter into society. God willing and God bless. But in the UK at the moment, at the time of recording this, things are tentatively starting to open back up again. Similarly, they did last summer, and I've started to feel exactly the same as I did last summer, even though the situation is different. And also, what I've noticed about it is I have very irrational, very irrational feelings. Essentially, as I ever, using this podcast, a sort of therapy session for myself, Yeah, it's, I don't think they are irrational. I think they are rational. I think like, there was so much going on and I think everyone, I think this weird, you know, like, oh, June 21st,

we'll all to be like, and done, be like, are you kidding? Like, everyone's, everyone is completely bananas. Like, there's going, we're going to have to climb ourselves so slowly and tentatively out of this hole. You can't be like, oh, that's done now. Back back to normality, you know, like I've been on the tube twice, I think, in a year. And it used to be absolutely empty. And then I rode it this weekend. And it was like, certainly wasn't busy by any stretch of what it used to be like in the past. But it definitely was busier, the busiest I've seen it. And I was just thinking, when I lived in Mile End and I had to go to work for 9 a.m.

I mean, I was always late. I was stood on that platform at Mile End at heaving. And you would take like three or four tubes would come before you could get on. And then you would squash yourself up against the glass and you would go to work. And then you wouldn't even bat an eyelid. You'd be like, that's just my day. And I was like, and I had like a, I stood on the platform. I saw the tube come in.

I remembered this memory. And I was, it felt like a memory belonging to a different person. I was like, that's what we used to do. There's so, so many things that are going to feel so alien and weird coming back in, into reentry, you know, that are, you know, the smorgas board. They're from the social to the physical to like, are we touching people? Are we this? Like, there's so much going on.

Basically, the take home of this podcast, if you're busy, if you've got to crack on, I'll tell you the spoiler now. It's everyone's been honest and you can do it at you. You can, you don't, if you don't want to do it, you don't have to do it. Like if there's things you're like, I don't ever want to do that thing again. You don't have to, you know? Well, unless it's like a job and you've got to work. I say you don't have to.

But you can. Spoken like a true creative person who does have a job. Before we actually tackle this, let's do the thing that we do at the beginning of most, most and all episodes where we say what adult thing we've done this week to make ourselves feel a little bit more grown up. Tessa, what is your adult thing this one? Mine is that I have got a personal trainer. Oh, clang, clang, clang, sorry. Kong, Kong, Kong. Here she comes. Make way. For her and her abs. There they go. Dragging her abs behind her. A long-term listeners and indeed those and IR, I mean, many of you will know that I have, like I'm, you're, you know,

profoundly unstrong. I think the term that is weak. We don't like to use that in the personal training community. I'm sorry. Non-strong. We like to say the non-strongs. Just also, anyone who isn't a long-term list. I'm just going to refresh people.

There was one time Tessa went to a physio, and they said she had no abs and one big leg. He did say that. So a general theme with me is I am I am lowly broken in a large number of things. And I do have one, and when they like analyze my running, they were like, they honestly like shook their head and were like, wow. Like you've got one strong leading leg and one, your pelvis is like twisted out. It's just dragging on behind. Anyway, the point is I thought I would finally address the non-strong issue.

and I've got a personal trainer. She's absolutely marvelous. She calls me, babe. She says, I done a really good job. I say, thank you very much. And I really, really, and obviously, it's an expense. But if you, if you, too, are feeling that you, when you, like, do you, if you try and put YouTube on and, like, follow along and you're like, I don't think I'm doing

this right, then I really, really recommend, even if you only see them for, like, two or three sessions, just seeing a human being who can say, like, you know, no part of your body is in the correct position right now. you know and just to be like if you try like this and just like her saying like if you put you you want to do it with the other hand and then you're like oh my god I've done it you know anyway so that's me on my journey to strength so I'm pretty pretty good stevie what's um and also it's sort of re-entry it's sort of on board with re-entry isn't it I've been like trying to get trying to feel good in myself coming back in to meet people um what's what's yours stevie I bought a long

time ago from a charity shop, and I'd say a long time ago, I was talking to six years ago, this old, of ornate mirror that I was like, I'll fix out, didn't, obviously, I only painted it gold. Wow. Wow. It looks like a beautiful princess mirror. Bought some non-toxic metal paint because when I went to buy it, I was like, oh no, the animals, which is a constant source of problem. I was like, I bet I won't be able to find anything. And I painted it, bought some paint brushes from pound stretcher 1 pound 75 i thought everything in there was supposed to be a pound anyway no you think a pound land pound stretcher we stretch the pound beyond the pound oh god they've got me again that is how they get you in there but for those of you listening at home it looks

exactly like the mirror from beauty and the beast that was what i was going for it's about a four size it looks exquisite it's now got a sort of gold guilt trim absolutely beautiful stevie you should be so proud of that. Thank you. If anyone's interested in what the non-toxic paint is called. It's called Vintage with Grace. Great paint. Okay.

Great paint, great mirror looking great. Great bod. So the re-entering into society. So I suppose to start, it's always nice to sort of give our own, you know, how do you feel about re-entering? What are the, obviously, oh, mad, but like what are the main things that you feel sort of strange about, apart from the tube, which you have also said? The tube I feel crazy about.

I don't know. Like what the etiquette will be when you see people, will we all be in crowded spaces? Like that to me feels very weirdly stressful. And I am, I am deeply not a, I've really lucked out that I'm not particularly phased by germs or dirt or people or things. I know it can absolutely take over people's lives and I'm very aware that I'm very low maintenance. I think too far the other way. Much too far the other way. Way too low maintenance in regards to health and hygiene.

And so like that's never particularly affected me before. and now I really, really feel that, which I've never really felt before. I feel very weird about like conversation and things. Like I, you know. Oh, yeah. I met someone in the park the other day and there's two people and we met in a park, social distance, of course, but for the first hour, we couldn't look each other in the eye for more than like 30 seconds and everyone was like, we all looked like we were like

hand puppets. We were like bobbing all over the place. There was those like hand gesticulation. no one, everyone were like talking over each other. We all sounded like, we all sounded not like ourselves at all. Everyone's voice was slightly high pitched. It was very strange. It's very strange. I think I've said this before, but I, I, I've attempted to see people and I, and I, you know, we were all like just hysterical and I resorted to shouting, me, when I wanted to say something. Wow. Yeah, yeah. I didn't remember how to like get, I didn't remember how you joined the conversation.

And I was, me, me now. Which is, which is wild. And then I think I think I have been nervous about. It's like, you know, I think when we went into this lockdown, there was a very freeing feeling. There was no FOMO because everybody, it was shut for everybody. And there was something very freeing and like, leveling about being like, it's shut.

It's shut for everybody. Even if you're a Hollywood superstar, like, I mean, then they immediately like sort of were snuck past the post very quickly. But in the right at the very beginning, it was like, this is everyone. And now this, everyone's sort of coming out. out at their own pace and it does feel like who's doing what and I'm like are people having parties and not inviting me like what are we all doing? I feel like it's not having your finger on the pulse feeling about like is everyone I know not doing anything or is everyone I know doing things

without me and then my final one I guess is like we had this whole opportunity to really like fix society and we and we didn't like that I think is you know so much bigger than not being able to have a conversation but it's like it felt like we were given this sort of one in a lifetime opportunity and I don't know if we did did good by it. Oh I'd say I'd say that we do know and it's a no. I was given I was given a sort of positive spin on the experience just again. No it's good actually yeah no it's good that you've done that. What are yours? What are your personal ones? My thing is the FOMO thing, the fear of missing out the kind of and it's happened very quickly where I've suddenly and it's very this is very specific to the industry that I'm in but I think I think it's you know you can

extrapolate it to pretty much anything. So personally, you know, I haven't done any live comedy for 18 months. And I didn't do, I've done other things that has been very helpful for the very lockdown specific, you know, online stuff and whatever. And I feel very like comfortable doing that. But now it's like, oh, but that's not relevant. That's not going to be relevant anymore. And now I have to go back to doing.

And suddenly people are coming out with, oh, I'm just performing my new hour. And I'm like, where did you? how did you test that out? Where have you written that? What have you been doing? And the thing is, is I don't mind because I'm not particularly desperate to do, but it's just automatically now, it's like, what's everyone doing? Oh dear, should I have done that? And I'm really susceptible to that. And I wish I wasn't. So I get very frustrated at myself for being like that. But I can't help it. Like it's just before it was very easy to be like, oh, I'm not getting any auditions or I'm not getting this or I'm not doing that. Because it's not down. It's a pandemic on. But now it's like, oh, my excuse is gone again.

Yes, yes, my excuse is gone. Yes, I think that's a big thing, isn't it? And I think actually we will, even though we've all hated lockdown in our individual ways, I think we all will miss that like, you know, people who, you know, we will miss the excuses of being like, oh, well, can't do that. It's lockdown, you know. We're like, oh, I have to do things. And that's a very, obviously very privileged stance.

But I think as well, even if lockdown has been very tricky and really just incredibly stressful, then there's a fear that, well, hang on. So if this was what it was like in lockdown, when the world had sort of literally locked down, now things go back to in quotation months normal. Is it going to ramp up even more? Like what's going to happen? Even if you, you know, and I think people have hate, you know, I've absolutely hated it. But like, I think that excuse factor in every industry for every person of every age has been there of being like, yeah, my homework wasn't good.

It's lockdown. Like, yeah, I didn't do this. It's lockdown. Yeah, I'm not doing my best parenting. I'm not doing my best parenting. I'm not doing my best parenting. best workouts. Like, yeah, my body, you know, I'm out of shape. Yeah, I haven't done this. It's a lot. Like, that has been an aspect. And that, I think, is the universal anxiety of, like,

that excuse is going to go now. And we're going to have to be faced with what people got up to in their lockdown. It's very much that sort of everyone said they weren't revising and then you get there and everyone has revised. That's very true. There's a real fear that you'll kind of find out that suddenly everybody is actually, actually been really productive. And as well, it will be the same as ever. Yes, someone might have been, have done something or, you know, been productive, but it's been like, it's been over a year. So you don't know what they've also been through. They may, I've got a friend who was really, really productive right from the start of lockdown. And it's completely like turned his career around. It's really cool. And the reason he did it is

because he was in an absolutely terrible place. Like some really bad stuff was going on in his personal life. And it was an escape. So it's like, I, As ever, we're being taught, again, that lesson that you can't tell what is going on. You can just see the good stuff. You don't see the bad stuff. You mustn't be jealous. You mustn't be jealous, even though it's impossible not to be. And you should see jealousy, as we've spoken about in previous episodes, see things like jealousy as being, they are positive emotions that are showing you where you need to go. So if you are, you have to ask why you feel jealous about that. Okay, what can you do to make you yourself feel like you're moving forwards?

You know, there are lots of, there are lots of things that you can do that are positive. There are some things that I've been looking around and kind of trying to, for myself, seeing just sort of things, things I can do and things that we can do to maybe ease this process, which is going to be difficult and compounded by the fact that these dates and reopening times could be taken away from us. There could be a third wave. Who knows? people have changed profoundly during this time as well and that is very difficult but there's one thing that I found that was very helpful that I think I'm going to really try very hard to do which is to recognise what you can control and to recognise what you can't control and to give yourself more of the former and less of the latter so like there's literally no point beating yourself up over things that you can't control you can't control restrictions being moved willy-nilly take away put there, then told that you can't, you can't control that. You can't control how your friends feel as well. And if your friends are feeling a little bit more antisocial than you, if your friends

are being a bit more social than you, if your friends want to do things that you're not comfortable with, if your friends have become massive conspiracy theorists, like you can't control other people's behaviour, you can only control your own. And like you said, right at the start, it's okay to not be fine with the pace that maybe other people are reentering at. You just have to make sure that you don't burn up. Other people are built differently. They can go straight through. That's great for them. But if you're not able to do that, that's fine. But you've got to recognize as well when it's legitimately that and when it's an anxiety that is irrational and holding you back. So it's always good to try and push your boundaries a little bit to try and see, okay, I'm uncomfortable with this,

but is there a way I can take baby steps towards it? Like your thing on the tube, like there is going to be a point where you're going to have to board a train and it will be full. So, you know, rather than shy away from that completely, sometimes it might be good to be like, okay, I'm aware it's going to be busy,

but I've got my mask. I know how I'm going to be. If it's too busy and I feel really uncomfortable, then I can always get off the train. I can always, but try to kind of test yourself and make sure that you're doing things that broaden your horizons rather than make them smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller because then then you run the risk and it's always

it's very likely and it's going to be a lot of this where people just their world's become smaller and smaller and smaller and it becomes a problem that then this this period of time will now affect them for years and years and years to come which it will anyway but you want to kind of minimise that don't you I guess I think that exactly what you say and think the message is like go for two steps forward one step back and accept that like you'll be like here I go okay too much you know rather than notice steps forward. Like just accept that you'll be like, push yourself every day, be like, oh, I didn't enjoy it. Take a step back. Keep, keep that mentality going. Be right. Expect and assume that

it will be too much and you will need to take a step back rather than being like, I know that, so I'm not even going to take any steps. Like, yes. And looking at the steps that you are excited about, like your own little roadmap, like what are things that you're comfortable doing that you can look forward to? Is it a picnic in the park? It's so, you know, is that looking at, for the weather, finding a friend, that's something that you're comfortable with. So do more of that. But if you're not comfortable, or like, you know, when your job starts up, are the elements about your job that you're uncomfortable with your commute, say? Or, you know, is there ways that you can do more work from home? Is there ways that you can talk to your boss and try and be a bit more

flexible in the way, like looking at the things that you're most not looking forward to and asking the question, okay, well, then how can I change it? And I know we joked before about just quit your job by. it's really easy just finding the job. No, that's really, really difficult. But in saying that, there is always a way, and this is the thing that this, doing this podcast has really helped me with, is that there's always a way to change something, especially the things that you think you can't change. You can actually change them. You just, we are naturally resistant to change because our brain is trying to keep us safe. So obviously, don't just quit your job if you don't have another job to go to and you can't find another job. But even just saying to yourself, okay, I don't think I want to do this job anymore because I

I've been dreading going back to it. Okay, I'll go back to it. But in my head, I'm going to be looking for other opportunities. Then already you'll feel more calm because you're taking control again. You're never as out of control as you think you are. Very profound. I agree completely. Too profound.

If anything, too profound. I think it is that of being like, oh, look, you have managed to survive, even if this year felt unsurvivable for whatever you've been going through, you have made it this far. And so, you know, make it worth it that you then change what you can and cannot control about your life and be like, okay, I managed to get through with what we were doing. Like, what can I personally take from this and be like, this is actually what I want to do with my life, or this is the way that I need to work, or this is the thing I want

to do, or this is what I enjoyed or hated or whatever. I'd like to talk about enthusiasm and the lack of it. I'd like to talk about something I think is happening to people, which is a sort of, you know, like you were saying, what's your personal room at, Matt? What are you excited for? I think there is a real issue at the moment of a sort of like deadening feeling of just, like numbness, even when they are positive things that are coming up or people invite you out or you go to something or even good things happening. Just like the response being numbness. And I think that is, for example, very recently in our industry, lots of these art industry grants came out and people who had worked extremely hard putting their applications together were awarded

in often some places very, very large sums of money, which is fantastic. And the people I spoke to who had been on the receiving end of it, the general feeling from all of them was like, I feel numb. I don't feel anything. Even though this should be such celebration, this should be like, oh my God, we got this money. This is so exciting. And I think that is because people have been, have deadened themselves in order to cope with the sort of relentless bad news. And as a result, we don't know how to feel positive anymore either. We've sort of made ourselves this like, this middle way, you know, to sort of get through it. And therefore it's made the bad stuff easier to deal with and we're more capable of being like gritting your teeth and sort of going through it

and not letting it not, we're basically because we're not letting in the sort of huge insurmountable, like, oh my God, this global pandemic, what is the impact? Oh my God, this is so big. Because we're like, no, thank you, close that door. We've also closed the door on the positive feelings. Yeah, also as well, on top of that, for me anyway, it's put in perspective so much stuff. I remember right, like throughout it, I've got lots of friends that work in the arts, that work in creative jobs, who have sort of question, like, been like, maybe I should have been like a nurse. Do you know what I mean? That kind of feeling of like, what's the point of what I do?

Which is not true because there's so much point. Look at how important being able to entertain people to be able to like, you know, make people feel a little bit better about things. Of course there's this is a point to it. I'm not saying that there's no point. What I'm saying is it has kind of made things like that for some people feel a little bit like, well, hang on, okay, cool. But the world is broken.

And COVID, like you said, has not only did we have a chance to change. society. It's also, it's, it's shown the divisions within society and shown the problems with the infrastructure of the country and the world and the way in which we live to be profoundly more broken than even, well, I mean, I was already like, oh, Britain is in trouble, but I still was surprised by some of the things. It was very difficult. Yeah, it can make your own little, you know, and I'm in quotation, much, silly little achievements feel very nothingy and pointless what in the face of this massive big monster of what the world is at the moment. And that's so unhelpful because you can't function if you can't be positive.

And if you can't, if you can only recognize the bad things, but you can't recognize the good things and you're only going to feel numb, like you say, and kind of deadened. So how can we be more enthusiastic, Tessa? How can we? Thank you so much for asking me, Stevie. I don't know. No. I'm glad you brought it up.

I think, I think it's just about being aware of it. and not freaking out of bit, not freaking out when you're like, I feel completely numb inside. Apparently I don't have any emotions anymore. Oh, well, that's just me now. Exactly. It's not just you. Humans are so unfathomably adaptable.

Like, we will, look at the way we've adapted to lockdown. We will also adapt slowly to getting out of it. You used to be able to smoke in clubs. Like, you used to be able to smoke while you were delivering a baby. Like, you used to be able to do all kinds of things that we just took totally for granted. Like, you will adapt, you will get back into it. You will remember how to, like, open your heart to, positive experiences and I think it's just about like having letting like sort of trust and joy and

those sort of things gently creep in not going into everything with one foot outside the door being like it'll probably be cancelled or it'll be this like and like people who have weddings like what an unbelievably tough thing to go through to have like to have multiple times had to put it in the diary then cancel it again you know and then and therefore you go into everything with this like oh well don't get your hopes up and I think it is about just being like let your hopes get up you know, like let things slowly. Even if they do get, okay, even if the news is bad and you can't do it again, you've had that period of time of looking forward to it.

Yeah, exactly. It's like if it's going to be cancelled anyway, your hope, you didn't jinx it by hoping. And it doesn't make it, it doesn't make the worst feelings worse, I think, by hoping. Like, let it in, like, feel something, you know? Like, why not? I really, I understand that. Also, I think as well, because I had a nice thing that happened like the other week where

like I want to look I was just about to say I want a silly little award I felt embarrassed about it and then it wasn't until certain people got in touch and sent me these like such lovely like this really nice like they basically got excited for me and said me such lovely like someone who is a friend of mine sent me this voice note just being like you work really hard and you've worked really hard for years and it's so nice to see like that's just you know awards on everything but like you got a recognition finally for like putting in the hours and really this isn't really this isn't just something that you flip and it and it's really like I got and then I felt and then I felt something. I didn't feel it but I felt something and I think that taught me that sometimes it's

nice to share things with other people because enthusiasm is infectious and you can it's so much easy to be enthusiastic about other people's achievements isn't than your own so use that to your advantage like you'll be more enthusiastic about someone else doing something getting a promotion getting a job getting married getting engaged getting a dog getting whatever then the other than the person themselves. So that works both ways. So, you know, let people, like tell people, let people celebrate almost for you and then by default with you so that you can, you can feel it as well. Help yourself feel something. Help yourself feel something. It's such a human issue, isn't it, of being like, someone being like, oh, you got this thing and you're being like,

oh, yeah, well, it's nothing, you know, like, oh, yeah, stupid. It's stupid. Look at you being like, it's a silly, it's a silly little award, stupid little show. stupid little nothing. Be like, what the fuck is wrong with us? Like, just say, yeah, thank you. You don't have to have, you know, it's, it's okay to feel pride and it's okay to, you know, not say, oh, it won't come to anything. Or like, yeah, it's, you know, you can celebrate the mini achievements and yeah,

I don't know, but yeah, you're exactly right. Just push that. If you can't do it for yourself, just do it relentlessly for the people around you and you be their boost when, because they'll be feeling the same way as you. Boost someone else up if you can't boost yourself. As well, finding somebody who feels. similarly to you about this reentry period is very helpful as well because sometimes you can feel about isolated and feel like everyone else is absolutely fine and really embracing it actually

but then there will be people that that aren't that are having or that are anxious about other elements of it but just speaking to somebody who isn't just like yeah will make you feel less alone I think truly the amount of people truly thinking yeah is very small no of course but but there's a lot of people who aren't talking about how they feel. And then you can just feel like, oh, God, I'm the only one who seems to worry about this. Because everyone else is like, pints in the park. And you're like, yeah, but what if I can't speak or I say me every time I've got to talk? I think just accept that you absolutely will be saying me, communicate. Like, the more that you can just honestly and openly be like, hello, everyone, I'm coming, but I am completely bonko.

Here I come. My birthday in September fell in the sort of four day week when they were suddenly like, you can have 30 people inside. They were like, sorry, we fucked it. Get back outside. And I had, I had five people on to sit on my, to climb out and sit on my roof. And I remember being like, oh, I'm tense because it's my birthday and I've got all my birthday tension. Why is everybody else being so crazy? And then afterwards, I was like, oh, yeah, because of the pandemic. And, you know, it just takes everyone. And it wasn't until like someone was like, this has actually been very nice. I've been, I've been very, very tense for a long time. It's my first time. And everyone's like, oh, me too. You know.

Like as soon as people can, there's no point all of you sort of plowing ahead with this like, I'm fine, I'm fine. We're all just fine now. It's done. Be like, no, just admit it. Just acknowledge it. And I really, really, very profoundly feel that the 20s, exactly like the last 20s, are going to have this really exciting renaissance of like art and music and culture and fashion and people are going to be wearing things. Like, this is what, this is who I am.

This is what I want to wear. Why would I just wear this sort of black smock when I want to wear all these things? And I really think that's coming. But it is not coming. immediately, like, don't expect it to arrive on June 22nd and just be like, here we are. Like, it's going to take a long time. So just be, you know, just give yourself a chance.

Give yourself a chance. And, yeah, and be aware that everyone, as we all know, everyone's at their own pace and their own speed. And it doesn't mean people don't like you or aren't your friend or that, like, and as well, yeah, look at your, if you're frightened about life returning to how it was before, ask yourself why I'm really interring in that and really know that it doesn't have to, that's up to you. It feels like it's not, but it really is up to you.

You don't have to stay in that job ultimately. You don't have to stay in that flat. You don't have to stay. You can do whatever you like. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. We will get there and we'll see you on the other side of it, which will be fascinating. At one point, we'll end up doing recording the podcast in the same room.

I don't even know. I can't even fathom it. Can't even fathom it. But it will happen. Well, if that's one of our things, be like, I don't want to see her again. Be like, great. Like, you know what? That's fine.

It'll make the podcast difficult, but it's fine. If you have any, like, episode suggestions that you'd like to do, this wasn't an episode suggestion per se, but it feels like it's very much an undercurrent of all the suggestions we've had for last, like, a few months.

But it was also me being frightened. Do email us. Nobody Panic Podcast at Gmail. com and we are working through your wonderful suggestions. We sometimes email back. We sometimes get overwhelmed and can't keep up and don't, but we do read all of them. So thank you very much. Tessa, do you want to give the old social meads a shout. Yes, I do. It's Nobody Panicpod at gmail.com. That's good. Okay, it's at Nobody Panic Pod and then you just stop. You don't add any more. That's the Twitter handle. And then personally, you can find me on at.

Tessa Cote, and you can find Stevie on at Stevie Martin. But guys, the S is a five. It's not Stevie Martin. It's at Stevie M. Jesus Christ. Good lot. And we wonder why we don't give to social media. Oh, it's hard, isn't it? It's hard. It's hard. It's very difficult. There's too many ads and names. But yes, we will see you next week. Do be kind to yourself. Map out your own little roadmap of things that you're excited to do. But also be aware of the things that you're frightened to do. and look at what you can do to take steps to change it. Yeah, be nice to yourself. Communicate your way through.

Communicate. You're not alone, basically. Everybody feels pretty much exactly as you feel. So don't worry. We're all in this. And yeah, see us. See us again. See us again next week.

See us again next week.