Nobody Panic - How to Send a Voice Note

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

Heyyy just sending a voicenote because (cough) oh I forgot actually. KEVIN! KEVIN??? Ermmmmmm. Oh yeah this episode is what to do/not to do from one person who enjoys voicenotes (Tessa) and one person who struggles with the form (Stevie). Okay byeeeeeeeeeee. Subscribe to the Nobody Panic Patreon at patreon.com/nobodypanicWant to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The time is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace.com. Single ladies, it's coming to London.

True on Saturday, the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true, Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. for sending a voice note, I just wanted you to hear the phone of my voice. I'm sorry, I've actually

feel on what I'm saying. Sorry, flat white. Is that flat white? It's flat white, thanks. Yeah, I don't know what it's good. Okay, bye! That was very nice, that felt very real. It was real. Hello, and welcome to Nobody Panic. Voice note is something that really gets me in a very particular mood,

a vibe. When you suggest this one, I was like, I do actually have quite a lot to say, but mostly I'm very interested, because you're violently opposed, or you certainly used to be quite violently opposed. When they first came into play, I was so violently opposed that it sort of ruined my life. Sure.

You're a bold statements. Yes, because the amount that were sort of streaming in from people who were like, finally a way that I can communicate without having to type when I've got friends who are dyslexic and they were like, yes! And people are on dyslexic. And I really struggled.

But look, it's been. a few years now, maybe we're, maybe we're equalising. So today is how to send a voice note based on our experiences of receiving them. And simply nothing more. And simply nothing more. And what more can you possibly want from us? Just two women talking about a voice note for maybe 20 minutes. That's what we're doing. Saddle up, get in, get a coffee, lean back. Lean back. Do you like voice notes? I actually do. I remember you were so violently against them that I I was like, I won't either out of respect.

Oh my God. I was really like, it was. It's hard to be how you live your life. Initially it was. And then the more I got into that, I was like, I think these are quite nice. Yeah.

You've sent some good ones. When you've been at something and something has happened that you must say, you know? I think they're quite fun for, I love to receive like, guess what? And it'd be the best, yeah.

The written, you know, I think there's something about that you simply cannot grasp on paper. Or if you're like, I really, this is what's happened and I don't I'm not really when people are like thinking out their thoughts in real time in a way that you just if you typed it you'd have to be like sorry this is mad send message and you'd be like this is incoherent bit of prose but weirdly spoken out loud you're like yeah I'm feeling it with you yeah you've already come straight in with I would say tip number one is

if you've got a voice know it's got some juicy business right guess what and then send a voice Because then you know. Gasp. Because for me, a voice note could be, there's just too many options for what it could contain. And the quality varies so wildly. Yes. Yeah, you're like, you're like this podcast.

Like this podcast. You're absolutely right. I think it's that, isn't it? The feeling when it comes in and there's no text, no sense. And it's from somebody you maybe have a message for a little bit. You're like, oh my fucking God, what is that? And I think it is the same anxiety of the, you have one new voicemail. You're like, what is it?

Am I being fired from a job I had as a waitress age 17? That's still my concern. Like, I still think it's going to be my manager from Forno Vivo telling me off. And it probably is. Like, they feel me, a voicemail fills me with such anxiety because who's left that? I'll do a recommendation. I was recently introduced, because I think it's on topic for this voice noting episode, introduced to a podcast called Normal Gossip.

I am so starved of gossip in my life because nothing is your 30s than people being like, I'm just quite settled. Yeah, it's so boring. Come on. Yeah, could you just have an affair or something? Can you just have an affair or something? Yeah.

Like, this is exhausting. Everybody genuinely knows themselves. They know their friends. People's drama is just like quite boring. They've not reached the divorce stage yet, which will probably be like 40s, I imagine. And so people's drama is generally nothing or deep trauma. I'm like, this is...

The worst time of their life which you can't gossip about because it's just too sad. Yeah, that's not gossip. That's just night-endingly sad. So I'm like, right, well, this is shit. And then a friend introduced me to a podcast called normal gossip.

It is an American woman. She has a guest on and you can fast forward for the first sort of 10 minutes because it's them just chatting about how they feel about gossip, what their relationship is to it is like and I was like...

It's great. And I was like, yeah, sure, great, move on. But then, for an hour, she tells you a fifth-hand piece of gossip that someone has written in and she just tells it to you like a story and she changes the names otherwise everything is just a true story she tells it so well the person hasn't heard it that she's telling it to and is asking all the questions that you'd be asking and I listen to it it's like it's been made for you I know I know

I listened to it with a glass of wine of an evening for my first time and I was like yeah okay I'll get in and then honestly 20 minutes in I went at this Meredith I was so invested in it all and I loved it so much and it has filled a hole in myself. I did not know it was there. Wow. So if you are personally desperately starved of gossip, may I recommend. I love that.

May I recommend? So, to segue from gossip to the voice note, my hope always, when I receive it is please. It's good gossip. Please, that's for you. It's so rarely good gossip. Yeah. And so, oh, it would be so nice if you, yeah.

I think if you've got the good gossip, you've got to begin with, guess what? written down, then the voice note. But also, gossip is the, voice notes are the, I would say the only acceptable way

to send gossip because there's no paper trail, you know? No, they opposite. You could relay the voice note in court. That's that you could just. I'm not talking about murder. I'm talking about like,

what if someone gets your phone and is like, oh, you've been bitching about the friend you don't see, but you couldn't. Meredith was an absolute nightmare at the party.

Yeah, yeah. Love it a bit. Love it a bit. Right. wrongly she was a nightmare here's all the things she did but obviously i love her and we're never going to talk about it again but yes you don't in the movies where you see someone like look at the phone on someone else's phone and discover the cheating they're not holding a voice note up to their ear true yeah listening to 20 minutes and voice note to get to the good you make a fine point

obviously everything admissible in court yeah we're not talking court business no but you make a fine point it's always the best but that's but then that is the issue because well let's let's start with the content when when should one send a voice notes i think kind of whenever obviously because if somebody basically it feels like it's very much based on the send so the receiver so quite often reply to voice notes with written because i don't really like sending voice notes i don't hate it i don't it's not my preferred method of articulation because i'm very bad i think of or not i'm less good at articulating myself with my mouth than i am written down so i just it's just easier for me But I appreciate how quite a lot, quite a massive proportion of my friends are the opposite.

So I listen to a lot and then write back and I always feel like I'm being rude by doing that. But I always think I'm sending a clear signal of like, I won't be doing a voice note. And don't, please expect me to do one. But how do you feel about receiving them? Okay. Be truthful. I'll be truthful. First thing I do, first thing, look at the timestamp.

Right. If it's over two minutes, I go, oh. Okay. Because it's like, okay, I'm going to have to sort of really find some time to sit down and listen because I can't really take information in very well when I'm listening to it. So I can't be doing something else and listening to the voicemail. So I'm like, right, I've got to really put some time to, okay, then I get stressed. Then I'll not be able to, what if I don't listen to it?

And then I'll listen to it. And then sometimes something will happen. I'll have to like pop out and do something halfway through and I'll forget. And then I'll be like, oh, this is the voice note. I'll reply. And I haven't heard the crucial thing at the end or something. like, by the way, crucial piece of information. Then it looks like I haven't listened to the voice note properly.

And then I go into like a spiral of like, oh, God, I'm sorry. I just, I went away. And it's like, this is quite a lot of lot of admin for me in my heart. But there are certain people that I have in my life that are very, very good at sending voice notes. So when I get one from them, I'm like, this is going to be succinct. The content's going to be given to me. They're not going to bury the lead. The content's going to be given to me in the correct order.

I'm going to get, like, it's going to be good stuff. like, but then there are some people that send voice notes and I know that they do just to be like, hey, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, then like, I can't, I need the information, you know? I feel like you know that about, like I, like, when we used to rehearsals and I'd be like, okay, we're done, goodbye.

Like, I like to get the stuff and do the things and go and maximise and optimise every minute of my day. So it's voice notes, like, for me are quite difficult because I'm scared that they're not going to be optimising. Oh, what did I want to say? Yes, it's that. I just wanted to send you a voice note because, Oh, there's a dog.

Oh, God. Already. I love, I love that you've thought of me in this way, but I don't love the experience. I would never send you a voice note. Oh, okay. I think I, because I would know that you don't, I mean, you've written to me a number of times that you hate them. Oh, right. You've written letters to me, but, so I've sent you a letter.

But no, okay, I see. Yeah, but a voice note is a different thing to a letter. No, I know, sorry. I thought you were saying you've written to me plenty of times. Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry, I've in the written form, your ideal form of correspondence. Yes. You have said how much you hate a voice note.

I didn't think I'd said that so much. But yeah, okay. You wrote it in the book, would you believe? Yes, no, I probably did, yeah. Yeah, I understand that. And I had to be like, and you wrote, and never send a voice note. I'd rather you died or something like that. And I had to circle it and be like, shall we discuss?

Maybe put that in a bit that you've said rather than the general tone of your voice. Instruction for the book, like, never send this. And it was so, like, it would be better if you died. If you did that. That's absolutely true hell. never send it. And then I was, and you were like, it's due to my voicemail fears. And also there's so much, you know, so I think, do you think you could say to the people who send bad ones? Do you think you could bravely say, not you send these badly, but I'm not, I'm not great at taking

in. Oh, I've said all these things. You have said and it hasn't been received. No. And also I think, I think just like the world in general, if there are people that find that voice notes are better for them to communicate the information and they like it, you know, it doesn't actually ruin my day. And I'm very prepared to, what's the word, accommodate my friends, you know? Absolutely. But I think with everything, there are givers and there are receivers. And so just because the giver is like, this is my ideal mean of communication, the receiver is like, this for me is a nightmare, you know?

Yeah, no, I know. So there does have to be an element of compromise. Absolutely. And I have tried and that's not worked. So now I'm like, look, fine. Hands up on my head, I've tried. You've put the word out there to be like, not, look. loving these, actually.

I think I've said all the things other than not loving these. I've been like, yeah, I find it really difficult to take information through my ears. Then I've been like, sorry, I don't really have time to listen to the voice note. Sorry, I haven't listened to your voice note in three days because it's just, it's eight minutes long. And for some reason, I can't. What's in them? Just chat. Updates.

Or just things like, things like, let's go for a drink. Like what, and that's my nightmare. You know me in dates. Yeah, sure. I struggle sometimes to, to, I don't know, organ. I get stressed about my calendar and like letting someone down because I've forgotten that I'm meant to be somewhere. So the idea that there's no written evidence anywhere that of the date were meant to be meeting. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Where's that information?

Oh, it's in a voice note. And also then you go, oh, it's in one of their voice notes. And then I have to listen to every voice note they've sent in the last sort of month. Because I don't know which voice note is it. I'm going to put that out as a written rule. Tip number two. Do not include any actual information that is needed within. Do not bury it. within the voice note. That needs to be written information. You can also, I've got friends that accompany their voice notes with the, those dates again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 17th written down, like very helpful. I would never send you an oral instruction of the date. Yeah, very, very difficult. Yeah, very difficult to, to receive. To receive. Yeah, oh yeah, because

then you're writing notes to yourself. Like, also like, you know, there's some nice things my, me and my sister send voice notes all the time because she lives in Australia and I get a sense of her day more and it just so we send really long ones and that's okay for me because I'm like I'll I kind of have a little routine with her and but also still like you know when when I'm listening to them I have to like make notes because you know like you forget the first thing they've said and then you have to like go right yeah so like making notes on the voice note to then respond and you know it is more effort but with her it's fine but when it's someone that like I just you know it isn't asleep.

in for the bulk of the day that because of the time difference it is a bit like you could have text me anyway what's your thing about voice notes so do you send them a lot I imagine you do um to people who like them yes of course and only with good information I frame them sometimes as a miniature podcast yes I agree with that so they're like here's a little piece of thing for your day to listen to it will here's your podcast with the updates yes very good um And people always like, that was nice. I liked it. People also know, I would never send one raw, just like nothing else.

Like I would never just like send a voice note to somebody without a written information about what this was going to be. That's interesting. Never. That's so interesting because the amount of, that's what I get. Like, it's just, and you just see the play button and you're like, what is it? What is it? What do you want to say? What is it?

Yeah. That's very good. So, look, you're an ex-journal. You know, you know that it's about the headline, the subhead, get them in, bring them in, let them know the content, you know. Well, listen to this, for God's sake. I'm not going to play a voice note. No, no, no, I'm not. I'm going to just send you something from my dad sent me.

But like, I am. Voices from parents, different. Totally different. I never receive one. Well, I get ones from mum and they, sometimes are 20 minutes long. Love them. Like, it's just a nice. I like that.

That's very different. But, oh, absolutely. And I would say, yeah, completely different. Love to receive. Gorgeous. Thank you for sending that. But this is something we, I have discussed with my dad. on multiple occasions to be like, if you text me to say,

call the house, I will think everyone is dead. Dad's messaging are wild. Wild. Yes. Wild. Yeah. So given that this one, I was about to go on stage at the West End. I was doing Nick Mahmads.

Yeah, thank you. I was in Shirley Valentine. And no, but actually it was the Shirley Valentine Theatre. It's not important. I was about to do Nick Mohammed's warm up. I'm about to go on stage. Then he's written to me, he says, Amy here, full stop. Amy's my sister.

Call for Family Update or not. And then he's put, if you want, dash, no pressure. And then three smiley faces. Right. Certainly not being bossy or in any way part of the patriarchy. Which I was like, what? What? I think Dad's in hospital.

And I honestly was like, that to me is like there's an important piece of news. Yes. And it's like, call as soon as you can. And that was him being like, you've told me not to say. call the house. So I've done it in this way. But I was obviously like, it's obviously very important.

So I literally went on stage being like, it was like, there's a lot of happy faces. So I was like, it's obviously good news. But I honestly on stage was like, well, got to get off the stage and call my parents. And they called my mum. My mum was so delighted. She was like,

Amy's here, blah blah, blah. And then she was like, we've just had mac and cheese. So she's like, tell me all about the mac and cheese for ages. And I'm like, uh-huh. And we're getting to the news. And then she was like, so what's up? And I was like, what's up with you? And she was like, nothing.

language is here and I was like dad said and then she went tom and I heard like throw the phone at him and I was like so there wasn't any news you were just saying call for a sunday chat I was like this is a nightmare it's untenable this is untenable so a raw voice note with nothing is a similar element of spiral for me of like I'm like what what and I'm sort of listening to it on fast forward being like what is it and then and then it'll just be chat and I'm like okay fine but you need to say just chat yeah just you know at the top of this just this is just just this is just some chat. This is just, oh, write that down.

Yeah. So the message needs to come in. If I'm at work in a meeting, and in a meeting, never in a meeting, if I'm in a board meeting with the merger, and that comes in, it's just a huge voice note. I'm like, excuse me, everyone, I have to leave and listen to this voice note. And then it's just someone being like, I'm with the ducks in the park. And I was just thinking, are ducks, are they well? Like, and I'm like, what?

But then I think we're getting to the bit where you're going to say, also I'm not well. Like the ducks. Like the ducks. So you've got to You know And so if you're listening being like None of this is ringing true for me I just love I just when I receive them

I'm like oh it's just a nice update about ducks I'll listen to that in my own time If you're not feeling that Full body anxiety at receiving a voice note Then you You need to Then you're like okay I just need to check That people I'm sending them to

Aren't experiencing this And even if they don't And I think then you can listen to this podcast With them or just say I listen to this podcast and they felt crazy about voice notes. Is that how you feel when you receive them? And if they're like, no, those girls are bat shit, you'd be like, great, we just send raw voice notes.

If they're like, you know what? Some of that did ring true. Be like, great, good to know. I'm going to go out on Olympia and say, I think everybody, every voice note would be improved by just a little line being like, by the way, this is just some fun chat. This is quite important.

Or a bit of gossip, you know? I think every voice note would be improved by that. I really do. Yeah. The most, I would say the most confronting raw voice note is a raw voice note from someone you don't really normally even WhatsApp, you know, like a periphery friend or something and you just see a raw voice and you're like, what did I do when we last hung out? You know, like, what is it? That is the big one for me. And normally it's just them being like, oh, there's a job or something that I thought, is it all right?

And you're like, okay, fine. Again, email me. But like, that's, that's the worst one, I think. You're like, why is Tom voice noting me? You know? I worked on a, when I was a runner on a film set, about four months later, I received an email from somebody I'd worked with. I don't think it said anything, actually, in the body of the email.

Just a blank email. It was a link to a... Virus. No, it was a video. Oh, right. Oh. So they must have said something for me to know it wasn't just like, well, don't click on that, obviously.

Yeah. I didn't open it for like two weeks. Because I honestly was like, that is a... It's a clip. It's a sound. recording of me bitching about somebody on this film set. I think I hadn't done. But I suddenly was like, what do they want? What have they got of me? What do they got of me? Well, there was that virus that was going around that was like, oh my God, have you seen these

pictures of you from the other night? And it was a link. Oh, yeah. And it was the first time I got that, it was absolutely horrible. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was, I think when it was like mid-20s and it was like, I was going out every night. So it was like, that is very legitimate. Yeah. So I guess the fact that that scam existed means that like other people share a similar fear on receiving that. But I'd open it for two weeks. When I finally did, it was behind the scenes. They'd made a like documentary about making this film. Say that.

And exactly. And it was just me being interviewed. And I was being a delight. And I was saying a very funny story and being very funny. And I was like, lead. Lead with that. Yeah. Lead with that.

Say here's a behind the scenes documentary. You were very funny and pleasant. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And here's your small clip that I thought you'd like to see. see. Don't write, lull. Not, hey, Link. What's that?

What's that? Okay. Okay. So I really carried all these fears being like, this is me and my cross to bed, but maybe they're a bit more. Maybe they're before everyone. And we got to, we got to say what we're doing here. I'm surprised that there won't be, if there's not an update soon where you can, like, put a title on your voice notes.

That'll be quite like a caption, you know, like pictures, because you have to do a separate message, which obviously takes, you know, hours. Hours. A nightmare. But, like, that would make more sense that then you can caption your voice note. A little caption. it is. Or just, you know, sort out an emoji code. Or just a couple of words. Dynamite, like a stick of dynamite for it's like good gossip. No, no, no, no, no.

Because it's explosive glass. Yeah, that's not, that's not clear to me. No, I wonder, because we haven't sorted out. My hands are clenched. No, if we had pre-organized it. Stevie sent me a dynamite. What does it mean? Yeah, yeah, but you know what it means. Because we've established that means good gosh. Yeah. Okay. And maximum of three, otherwise you, you forget. And then you're like, was it, was the was it? Was it? Was it? No, I'd still to you, I would never ever, I would never risk it. I would write a full instruction about what it was. Yeah, that's helpful.

And then I would say, like, listen in your own time, at leisure. Yeah. Not urgent, but good. So you mentioned about your voice note, about how you start it, and it sounded like a really strong start, because I think the beginning of the voice note is quite crucial, especially if it's raw. I take a moment to prepare.

Oh, this is so good. Because I'm aware that people send them to me. You should send me voice notes, because these sound like the voices I really would enjoy to receive. I rarely got anything good. I don't know, I believe, for a second. Let's just see, for the next month, just keep, keep me open into your kind of like oral corridor. Okay.

Sorry. You know, I mean that, I've said it. Producer Naomi there. Joining us with her enthusiasm for the oral corridor. All right, all right, all right, because you are definitely out of it. Yeah. because of your fear. So all right, I'll pop you in. Yeah. Okay. I'll see what I'll see what I've got in the tank. I can be honest with you. I can say no thank you. No thank you. Yeah. And I wouldn't appreciate it. No, I won't be offended at all. That's the thing. I'm excited that we're all, the whole world is moving to a new place of being like not for me actually. Yeah. And there people are like, no problem. That's just not how I like to receive information. Could you write that down as prose? A full essay, please. I'd like to read an essay. Okay. So I prepare, because some people send them to me and I just know they've put the thing on and then just like put it on. And then just like put it. on the table to like chat and they are like um like there's just so much like fanning around so at the

beginning that I'm like let's go this could have been your private time. Pre-record. This should be pre-record. Just like take it. I take to be like what is it I'm trying to say and if I don't enjoy what I've done so far delete. Yes of course. Start again. Yes. Let's go again here. And yeah they're very they're strong start but then they wind away they wind around. It's very difficult. I always, because I send them, because also sometimes they are really useful. Often, since I got the dog, when I'm walking the dog and I've got like, you know, stuff, a ball in my other hand. And I can't type, but I need to get the information out. Otherwise, I will, like, I will forget to send this. And I know that the person is a voice-noty person. Or it's like a, there's like a couple of people at the moment that they've sent quite a few voice notes about jobs and stuff.

And so I'm kind of trying to talk to them about it, which is fine. I will send a voice note. but I always start them this. I always start them by going like, just sending a voice note because it's like, you don't need to start them like that. You literally don't, because I've got my hands full and I've got, I've got a joke about a poo back

because I've got my dog, I've got my hands full of poo. Like, what are we talking about? Just say the thing. It's really hard. And I, because I don't have a lot of maybe confidence in what I'm saying.

I'll be like, I'll build it up more because I'm scared I'm not going to say it properly because I write better than I speak. So I'm like, I know that this might be bad or I know that this could upset you. Or I'm sorry.

And it's like, you can hear them, like, I can almost hear them listening to the voice and being like, what is it? Like, who's died? So I, yeah. And maybe it's possibly that that's the reason I don't like them is because I'm not a good sender of them. Yes, yes, yeah. Absolutely. So, but actually people that are good senders of them, you know, great.

But yeah, so that is maybe, that's a very helpful thing to just take some time, just a moment before. Like, what is the crucial bit of information that you're saying? Start with that. So we're in, you know? I think for you though I think you should back yourself a little bit more No no it's yes sorry Yes I should but it's just so ingrained in my speech patterns

That I can't stop it Like I'm much better at it now I don't think then you should force yourself Through this voice memo No I shouldn't You should so force yourself into the oral corridor You don't want to be there You don't want to give and you don't want to receive

Like don't be here No but it is how when you're in like a WhatsApp group And there's three people and they all sent voice notes So you're like okay I'm coming in And then you kind of want to to send your update and you don't want to be like, also, well, sometimes you don't want to type shit loads or, like, that has happened before, but it's always, it's always, you know what, the best phase was for me personally, 2010's, when it was actually still acceptable to send an email

to a friend, if it was something really important, like the amount of emails I would send to my then boyfriend or like mates being like, okay, this is like a serious thing that we should get out, or something I've been really wanting to say that I think is really important, it would be an email, and maybe that was horrific to receive for people, but that seemed to be slightly more socially acceptable. Now it would be wild to do that. It'd be like, why is it me an email? Well, a friend was the other day telling me about her novel,

which is about that exact time, about 2008, and it's about the internet and people that you meet online, but it's also about, it's about correspondence, and it's about that particular time in your life when you were in a relationship or a burgeoning romance, and you would sit down every day to do your 2000 word correspondence email. Yeah. And you would write these like essays.

And that's how everyone communicated. Yeah. And I really felt that we were all communicating in a way that was like, somebody will be binding these together in the future. Absolutely. These will one day be a book of correspondence. And it felt like, whereas like, you're like, who will bind my voice notes? You know?

I question we often ask. In, is it relevant? No. But I will bring us home with Nancy Mitford and Evelyn Wars correspondence. Of course you were. In their letters to each other, before either of them were truly famous. Yeah. They're not, they haven't, neither of them are published authors yet.

They write a tiny number one footnote, asterix to themselves to, and when something isn't clear, and then they write, they explain what that is, and then they put, like, to help future editors. Christ. And then the hubris, the fucking hubris of it all. And then in the actual correspondence books, if you do. read them. Of course, there are the footnotes in there. They became very successful. But like, when I saw that, I was like, my God, the hubris of youth to put your footnote in there and to know, and you were correct. But I used to do it then to people. We don't see all the people that

did that and didn't become successful. And didn't become it, of course. But I really think, like, I think what you're describing there about the email thing, people are like, yeah, let's bring that back. But not helpful for lots of people that don't articulate themselves best with writing. But that's What a hell they were in? Sure, they were like, that was a, 2008 was a nightmare for me. I'm loving this new voice, no thing. But if you find other people in your life who would like a 2000 word email, bring it back.

Bring it back. Like, I think what we're learning here is like, if talk to the people that you communicate with the most often and be like, how would you actually like me to communicate with you? And if they're like, I love the miniature podcast you send me. Be like, great. And they're like, I actually, they found them very, it's very stressful. Be like, great. And that's not a reflection on you or your relationship or anything.

that's just like how do people actually want to receive information? Because as we know, it's all different. It's all different. It's all different, baby. And that really did bring us home. I really enjoy, I feel at home now. I was going to, I was just thinking if I had any in there that I could play. And then I realized many of them were libelous.

Yeah, no, of course. It's several of them are from a Hindu recently that everyone was on that I was not invited to. Not because I don't know the girl as opposed to due to a falling out. And there was somebody at this Hindu that the, group, none of them knew, but they were united against one rat. You've got to have a group rat to unify the group. Dispatches from the Hendo. The dispatches from the Hendo were exquisite. See, that is, that's the best use of voice. And I was receiving a multimedia experience. Oh my God. Photos, videos, WhatsApp. Some people were like, I have to voice note you because I need to do an impression of this

girl's voice. And I was like, give it to me. That is really good. Exquisite. Dispatches, multimedia dispatches. Voice notes should be seen as just yet more. choice rather than the only way. There's many corridors in the house, not just the oral corridor. Not the oral corridor. Oh, well, well, why not? How'd you end a voice note? Oh, that's the thing, yeah.

Hang on, okay, sorry, sorry, the dog. I'll do another one in a minute. There we go, yeah, right. And that's how they end. Bye. Join us next week. Bye, bye, bye.