Nobody Panic - How to Stop Worrying Your Friends Hate You

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

Friends of the podcast Tom Stourton and Tom Palmer have written a film called All My Friends Hate Me, so they came on to talk about how to cope with social paranoia (as well as how they went about making the film). It's out June 10 so go watch it with friends you don't think hate you. Subscribe to the Nobody Panic Patreon at patreon.com/nobodypanicWant to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for PlosivePhotos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The date is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace. It's coming to London. True on Saturday the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September at King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. to know Panic with Tesson. Hello, everyone. Good friend. Hello, friends.

But very excitingly, we're joined by two old pals who have written, produced the film All My Friends Hate Me, which is coming out very soon, totally Tom,

i.e. Tom Sturton and Tom Palmer to talk about how to cope and all your friends hate you. Thank you for coming. Thanks for having us. Thank you. An absolute dream

for you to be here. Thank you ever so much. We know these guys from your, from an old, old yore. From old yore. You were going to say you're something else. Oh yeah, sorry, sorry. We know each other from your and then just stopping.

No, sorry, I meant like we came up, but you were very much the cool boys in the year above of our sketch world. So we were doing Massive Dad, it was like, oh, don't we talk, they're the coolest kids in town. And if anyone listening, just knows me and Tess were in a sketch group called Massive Dad. And we did edit him for French.

And yeah, these guys They were like, smashing it. And now we're just the old boys. Yeah. Now you're doing a film in a lot of movie land. I would say you're the hot young things on the movie world. Now you're the cool boys in the year above once again.

You'll always be the cool boys. You've graduated. Just continues. It's out June 10th. Now, if you could also go on and look at the trailer and like it looks amazing. We haven't watched it. We've refused.

Because we don't want to So there's a proper We got sent the thing And we listen Listen we saw it And we thought We want to watch it in the cinema So there's a proper press screening

Cited to attend And we wanted to be in a cinema With other people And to be Because listen My truth is I was worried I was going to be too scared And I wanted to be near people

Because it's a comedy horror right Yeah You worried you're going to be Like freaked out And then not be able to do the podcast I thought I just didn't want to watch it alone Right

At home Safe for in a cinema I wanted to be with other people. You can hold that hand. Your hand holding. Yeah. I didn't want to be in my house. I got too scared.

And I just couldn't be asked. No, I wanted to watch it at the screening for the first time. I thought it would be the best experience for it. So give us the, give us your hot pitch. Come on. So it's what's called all my friends hate me. And it's, it's about social paranoia. I'm not sure if it's a horror, but we're calling it a kind of social horror.

Right. And it's about a guy who is having a university reunion and it's his birthday and they're throwing him a party. And then over the course of the party over this weekend, they all slowly turn against him. And he doesn't know why, whether maybe he did something wrong at university or maybe it's this like weird joke he's not in on or maybe he's just got a bit sort of paranoid over the years. And that's, yeah, that's where we leave it. Great. So it's a lot of spoiler it. But that, yeah, I mean, it's also it's perfect.

for the episode because like it's a night that is I've never been to a school reunion have you done other things like that um actually have I've steer clear of them I'd be I'd be terrified yeah yeah yeah I wouldn't know what to say but but by the time we were writing it I think weddings were somehow feeling a bit like yeah I think it's even if you've not been to your like high school 10 year reunion like we've just been to a wedding this weekend of people we've known for a decade and it does feel like you're like there is an element of like are we friends or have we just always been friends? And now we know.

And this age, I think, as well, that they're sort of, you're early 30s, or when we wrote it, our early 30s. Now because you're 80. Now you're early 20s. That's how long a day ago. My movie made these days, am I right?

Yeah, because we've now got sort of extensive plastic surgery post making the film. Yeah. You look great. Thank you. It's really good work. So, yeah, it felt like a kind of age where you're naturally,

comparing yourself to other people and being like where's my life at in relation to other people and where's my career at? It's a high anxiety to live age. It's a big milestone. The 30s feels like the milestones. Like I remember when we were 20s and we felt like there were milestones

that we weren't hitting. And then you were to 30s and you're like, oh no, like now I'm really missing out on the very clear milestones and whatever they are. important to you that yeah it becomes very very clear when you see someone who's hit all of them you're like oh i'm appeared to be still like 22 like why am i living like this that's my own personal one but yes i completely i completely get it it's a very strange is that what like inspired you to write this i mean maybe that's where we were naturally that's sort of what we were

naturally feeling or something i don't know um uh at the time but um but it was also just like we just really wanted to um kind of make something ourselves again and not worry about kind of commissioners or and then obviously we realised that it's actually a lot harder to do a film so it's a totally counterproductive. Going fully alone. It's great having commissioners because they give you money and. So is this completely self-financed? Like this is a out of your pocket?

So no, it's financed by private individuals. So it's kind of like barons. Yeah. And king. But you guys were in control. You were in control of this. But yes, so it was our production company that we set up ourselves. So lots of people, a lot of people are doing kind of freebies and kind of IOU contracts.

That's incredible. But we sort of, we did want to write something about this feeling that I think many of us share of just like, you know, arriving in a place where you should feel comfortable and you should feel like there are familiar faces around you. you just can't get it out of your head that actually everyone hates you for some reason. Yes. And it's just running through your head all weekend or all party or all wedding or whatever. Or until you've got drunk enough that you forget. And then you wake up and then you obviously go back into it. I felt like that sort of internal monologue could be a kind of a low budget horror basically

because it's sort of, you know, it's just going on in someone's head. So it's not big monsters and special effects. It's just the kind of the like being trapped in your own head. The inner monsters. Spirling, the inner monsters. And Tom Stern, of course, you're the lead in it. I am. You're the person who is having the nervous breakdown.

Yes, well, as the primary investor, I sort of gave myself for you. No, I was actually just the cheapest option. Sure, no, sure, yeah. Terrible actor famously. Did you draw from any stuff in life? Do you have any kind of social anxiety at all, or are you just the most confident person in the world? When, like, yeah, like when you were doing it,

did you draw from any kind of excitement? experiences. Yeah, well, I mean, and I feel bad for telling this story. I've told this story a lot of times. It was loosely based on this. I think when we first started talking the idea through, there had been, I had an experience going to a wedding and it was an old uni, two two old uni friends that was their wedding. And I'd sort of drifted apart for them a little bit. And I'm really worried they're going to find out who they are. Because every time I tell it, I was like, you keep giving more and more They are lovely and they have since remained better friends. But I was a little taken back at the time.

I was like 28. Another clue. Can you date it now. And so I went to the wedding and I've been out the night before because I'm so cool. An absolute lad. Yeah. And I hadn't had to have much sleep. And so I was already feeling a little bit so jittery.

And then I was like, oh my God, at this wedding, thinking that I've been invited as a joke, I was like, this isn't, there's something wrong here. And I thought that during the speeches, they were going to, the groom was going to turn around and do this thing where he's like, and the funniest thing of all this, Tom Sturton thinks we invited him for real.

Oh, my God. Really creating it in a narrative fair, that probably wasn't happening. It happened. No, I'm joking. No, it didn't. And also, it's also incredibly embarrassing how narcissistic that is to be,

to be thinking that someone else's wedding is about you. They're not thinking of you at all. No, they were just happy that I was there, albeit very sweaty and anxious looking. But, yeah, so Tom and I were like, that's kind of there's something in that as a feeling. you know as Thomas saying is sort of an environment that should be friendly but like there's a perceived hostility

and it's also kind of funny that just to see someone I mean we also just like it's we just find it funny that someone would have a really bad weekend with their friends that seems like I think it like it speak even the title alone as soon as they saw that that's what you've made and without knowing anything about the film I was like oh my god oh my god all my friends hate me is like it's so it's so obvious what it was going to be And it's not something I feel that it's being spoken about really anywhere else.

And also like, you know, you see pictures of people, of even parties that you were at, you know, with everyone. And people being like, here they all are. And you're like, I don't know if we like each other. Like, I don't know if anyone like, oh, there was a photo booth and everyone else caught in. And no one asked me to be in the photo booth. Like that was enough for me to be like, I suppose I'll go home. And then for people in the photo booth, they're like, look at what is all snogging in the photo booth. But did they like me?

Or am I the, am I the joke? am I the like, is everyone else saying, oh my God, why is, why is she here? Yeah. And I don't know what, and I'm not, because I don't think I am, I mean, I don't often feel, it does seem like it's connected to a lack of sleep. It's something I would say before, like, so I, and this isn't like a wellness podcast, is it, but I can't. It's an immediate pivot.

I can recommend sleep as a way of not. But then equally, it does, it's interesting hearing how often people, can relate to it. So it's clearly something Yeah. It's actually saying don't go out the night before

when you've got a wedding and you're not quite sure you know enough people. Unless you want to write a film. Of course, right. Here we are. So as somebody then who is quite doesn't have that

like horrible thing the next morning like went to a party a few months ago and then there was another party too excited and everyone just spent the second party talking about how terrible they were at the first party

and apologising. But no one was terrible. It's just everyone was drunk. I was like, oh my God, you were there. Oh my God, no. And it was like, really like everyone just needs to calm down. Like, we're all just drunk and having a fun time. But if some, if you're not somebody that gets that, like, how do you, I mean, I kind of want to ask how you do it.

Like how, how the next morning, if you're like hungover or you're kind of, do you, do you, do you, do you, do. Oh, right. If I've said that, I've said that, you can do it. He had to write a film about how bad he is. It was something that you said before. No, I was. I think I said, I'm not genuinely anxious person, but, you know what, that was just a lot. That was a straight-air.

I'm just lied on air. That's fine. And it's lied as well, so you can't take it back. No, I know. It's harder than it looks politicians. It's kind of, yeah. But okay, well, as an anxious, lying man. Yes.

An untrue man. No, yeah. How do you, and also you took them, other Tom, Tom Palmer. And how do you both kind of deal with that? Like, do you have any things that now you're, because now we're all older, we kind of have more experience when you're in your 20s. you're just like, a lot of the time. Yeah.

Well, yeah, I mean, I did find, well, writing this script and sort of sending it out just to friends to read, it was amazing how often you got someone saying, A, you know, that's my worst nightmare. You've just described this thing that I genuinely have recurring sort of nightmares about. And B, some people would read it and be like, ah, that makes me want to talk to you about this thing

that happened last weekend, where I thought I offended you with this joke, but actually, and you suddenly realized, like, everyone is just thinking the same. I'm not nonsense. I'll, but yeah, I do sometimes question the whole like, it's fine,

then no one's thinking about you, think. Like I have had conversations with friends where they're like, did you see what a dick? Yeah, you know, he was being. Like,

I don't think I like him very much. Yeah. So like, it's like that it does happen out there. Yeah. You know, you're not totally safeguarded by. They're like,

it's okay. And actually when we were writing it, we were like, there's sort of, there's a scene on some stairs in the film where one of the characters just says to my character,

you're not doing very well this weekend. And yeah, we thought it would be like, what if the sort of way we approached the writing was like, what if your friend when you turn around to them and said, hey, I'm released, was I a dick last night? They were just like, yes, you are. Like, and how much that would sort of spin you out? Like, what if there was like a world in which people were doing away

with those like safeguard pleasantries that we all assume our friends are going to say in order to help life be bearable. That happened to me once. I went to a party, close friend,

went to a party and had fun. And then there was, I mean, I set myself on fire. Oh, right. The film's going to seem really tame, I think, to you. We were doing tarot.

I didn't want to, but we were doing it. And I lent over a candle. And then that was sort of the last thing remember. And then I saw my first thing. friend whose party was, it was like a little casual thing. And I was like, I'm so sorry. I think I was really drunk. And she was like, yeah, yeah, you were. And I was like, oh, ha, ha, ha. And, but then, then I think how I dealt with it was, yeah, I have a nervous breakdown. But then spoke to her again and was

like, I just want to make it really clear. Like, I'm really sorry about that. And I think that's the difference of like when you, that whole, like, everyone was fine. It's like, if you think you weren't fine. Sometimes you don't want to go, I'm so sorry, it was I did it because that's annoying. Actually, it's kind of good to do that because all they'll do is go, no, you're fine. Or they'll go, ah, that's nice. Well, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Keep thinking about what that means getting burnt during a tarot. Yeah. Yeah. It was my hair. That's my hair on fire. Had you suggested the tarot and the candle answer me this. Yeah. That means that you'll find love. You've lent over the candles.

Yeah. I just. I just went up. I think I actually just went like that into a candle. You passed out into it. Yeah, whilst dancing up, just bent down really low under the candle. I'm sweating.

I'm sweating and thinking about it. One is that like 15 years ago, leaving a party, this girl had come to stay with us, and then there's lots of people in the house, and then everyone was lining up to leave. She was leaving, and she was hugging everyone.

And then she was like, so great to see you, so great to see you. Then she went, she wasn't great to see you. And I went, oh my God. What?

What? And I, like, laugh. because I thought she was joking, because I was like, what a thing to say? And she was like, yeah, I didn't like that thing you said about vegetarians being boring last night. And I was like, are you serious? I made like the most like flippant offhand comment about,

this is also, if I may, a time when you could make vegetarian jokes. You know? You're a comedian. You're a different time, you know, you could. It was sort of like, vegetarians being boring was sort of a classic thing people might flippantly say. And of course, now we'd be like, still boring, but doing God's work, you know?

You've always got to add doing God's work. Of course it's right to be a military. And it was, anyway, I'm sorry to friendly myself. But it was just like the thought that somebody had thought something about you and then saved it up and then said it to your faith the next day. And then there's this, and then the other thing that was thinking it was there's this book that came out a long time ago that's all these like visions of like, it's very well written. It's like little chapters about like what life could be like after you die.

And it's like, just silly little vision. Yeah. This is. Some. That's why we're well done. I was trying to think what it was called and I came up with 21. So, but you're right, it's some. It's like the sum of your parts of like some.

And in there, one of the things is, and I'm sorry if this is misremembered, you are forced to watch a video of everything everyone has ever said about you that you, when you weren't in the room for like, and it just lasts, you know. And I was like, hell, that's like true. Yeah, that's, I'm sure there'll be nice things in there, but mostly there'll just be all the things that the people said about you and that you didn't know about. Oh, God. So, yeah, I think what you're saying about being like, hey, no one's thinking about you.

It's like, some, they are. It is happening. What we talk about most, really, is other people and friends and whatever. But maybe that's fine to sort of normalize that and be like, well, that's what I do. I talk about friends, but I still like them. And it's just a way that we kind of communicate about stuff. Yeah. But yeah, I know what you mean.

I find with them, I mean, I've only done one wedding speech, but people about wedding speeches are always like, don't worry you can't go wrong. But all you ever know is stories about people went wrong. You can't. They're like, they're the famous ones. So like, yeah. My worst nightmare is doing like a eulogy and someone coming up to me after

and being like, that was so bad. That was so bad. If they've been alive, they would have hated. That would like be, that's like my worst nightmare. Yeah. Yeah, Christ. The social anxiety around eulogies. Maybe we should do that for episode.

Really get into it. So I feel physically I'm well. So what if this is the how to stop thinking that all your friends are you? Yeah, of course. Since we've established that, they definitely already do. All of them do.

I don't know. What is the best remedy for this sort of feeling of, you know, you've, you know, and is it just being like, is it that everybody feels it and taking some comfort in that? And then being like,

and maybe it's not quite as big a deal as you imagine. Yeah, well, I guess, like, if everybody feels like, I guess, like, who would you be if you thought everyone loved you? I mean, you potentially would be quite arrogant. Yes. Wow. Yeah. I'd love to be like that.

To have that level of self-love. I mean, that's what we're taught. Yeah, it's like to love ourselves so much. Well, then you care what people think. Tom Middleston, you know? Yeah, exactly. Who's a great guy if you're listening? Yeah. Other great guys available. Please be in our next film. Yeah. Sorry, Tom. The third Tom.

Tom. Tom squared. That still is too, I'm sorry. Mass isn't my strong suit. But yes. So maybe it's a natural and maybe quite helpful thing to sort of... And sleep. And sleep. Yeah, like it seems like Tom, you don't sleep very much.

Because I'm worrying about my friends. And maybe... And apologising if you have messed up and I guess... Checking in with a nice friend, not with some... Because, you know, you've got friends that are tough love friends. And then you've got friends that will actually be nice about it and be like, just can I just a sense check of whether I like barreled into the party, vomited everywhere, shout myself and left.

Whereas if some friends now I know will go, yeah, he did. And then be really silent for ages. And some friends will go, you know what? You were fine. Don't worry about it. Maybe chat to Gerald because you seemed to make him cry. But like, I'm sure he's fine. And then you can kind of work rather than like doing it in like the WhatsApp group

for this, you know, the things that everyone sees it and you come across quite paranoid. Like you don't want to. I blame what's happened. I think the sort of, hey, was I okay last night? Two blue ticks. And then they're kind of, they're like four out. Anyone that makes you wait on those messages is a very cruel.

Typing. Gone. And then gone. After the wedding, we went to a wedding and after it, we'd gone to this like thing afterwards. And I'd got this message from my friend the next morning, which made it seem like we'd had a really intense conversation. couldn't remember. And I'd gone like, I'm really sorry and thank you for talking to me and I'm so

sorry that I cried. And I was like, oh my God. And so I was like, I'll just delete it because she hasn't seen it. But I deleted it for me, not for everyone. So I couldn't delete it. And you later night had written, like, I'm so sorry and thanks for the conversation. It was like five in the morning. I was so sorry. And I was crying. And then I had to be like, I'm sorry. I've deleted that's for me. And did I cry? Didn't that was fine. And she was just bringing up some very, She was like, no, it was very much. I facilitated it. So thank God I did message again.

But also the WhatsApp delete thing is, yeah. It's like the trying to make it less socially anxious than just every time and every new thing they create. It's actually so much worse. Yeah, and then you leave a sort of five-minute voice note in which you cry again. The main thing that when I was reading about, like friendship paranoia and stuff, was that if it's taking a, like with my things,

like if it's kind of taking a view, your life and you find yourself every single or most social events you go to, you feel the need to then go like, I'm so sorry. That will be a issue that you've got with your own self-esteem. So as with everything, like then, it might be good to chat to someone or, you know, do some, do some therapy, which we've got an episode about how to get cheap therapy, so listen to that. But yeah, the odd one is fine. And I think as you get older, alcohol just doesn't help.

Like I think the after effects of it, I just get so much more anxious than I. I used to not give a shit. And now I do because I think, you know, you're in your 30s. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, I'm just saying the right. Thinking about that. Yes.

Yeah, it does affect people differently. I went to a party reasoning with a friend who gave birth. This was sort of the first time. She gave birth in lockdown. So this was her first big outing for a while. And the kid must be a year and a half. Meatloaf had just died by 9pm. All her clothes were off

and she was rolling around the living room making us all listen to a rendition as she did the entire back catalogue of Meatloaf's work including like the boyfriend of the person who's party was who didn't know her and then we're all she needed to let off some steam

you know. There's nothing to be anxious about it. Nothing to be anxious about them, I'm fine. Absolutely fine. Obviously everyone does get that feeling of like sort of bracing yourself before you go to a party and just like, you know, is that feeling going to come back? But I think if you leave it too long, like you can make the mistake of just like choosing not to go to that party or that thing because then it just, it's so self-fulfilling.

The more you withdraw, the more you kind of like freak out. Yes, your world gets smaller. And then get a sense you're being judged for not being there. Yeah. So sometimes I feel I just have to be like, here we go. I'm going to go. And when you do go, do you, are you elephant in the room addressing the stuff if there's like, hey, we should talk about.

about this? No, I think, I think, yeah, as you said earlier, get sufficiently drunk to not worry about things and then everything's fine. Top tips. Yeah. Top tips. I find it quite nice that if there's something I'm going to that I, like, for example, there's a dog party in the area that I live in with the dogs and the owners. And I love all the owners of the dogs and the dogs, but I'm a bit nervous about, like, going and like, how long do I stay and, like, what do I talk about? And, like, what if I don't have anything to say? And I'm going on my own.

like, oh, but it was like, it sort of helps to go, like, well, just go for an hour, like, max. And then if I'm having a nice time and it, like, then it's fine. And I actually probably will stay for longer. But if I'm like, I've got to go for six hours, what will I say for six hours? It's like, weddings can be quite like that because you're like, it's like a 12 hour event. Like, shit. Especially if you're like a plus one. You're like, I've got no one to talk to.

Or the worst is when you know the bride and groom, but you don't know anyone else. You're like, well, this is, like, I can't speak to them. I can't speak to them. So you've got to kind of see it in like chunks of time. and like do like baby steps as well and make sure that you've got like at least one person at the thing that you can be like well that person's going to be there so in worst case I can just go and like you know

just go like God that I can have and I'm there and they'll be all right and also as well the other thing I just popped in my head as well is like the and I don't because I won't say again but I've seen the film and the concept as well of sometimes like people's friends can be dick dicks like and as you get older there are sometimes people in your life you're like, maybe I just stop

continuing to hang out with these people who are actually not nice and that's also something as well of like looking at your friendship group and how much of that in the film like is the balance of like yes okay you've got social anxiety in it but like also I mean it seems like the friends are also dicks

yeah it's you you want to engage with characters right so it's tough when you're when the film's kind of about quite tricky people on the whole and even my character I mean, I don't really know if I like him that much because he is so sort of self-absorbed and that's quite sort of unattractive in a way. So yet they are they are kind of dicks, but I suppose it's justified by the fact that it's like questioning that thing of like, are, you know, how was I friends with these people before and what am I remembering them right?

Were they always like this? Yeah. Have they become like this? Is this what I was like by default being friends of them? So you get the sense that they were all a group of friends when no one did care about being a dick, as it were, because they're all like these boozy 20-year-olds at university. And I guess you're not really kind of being that sort of critical of like what people are like, just all out getting smashed. That thing in it. There's so many people that I've got lots of friends who have like a group of friends that they've had like school friends or uni friends.

And it's only sort of now that they're like, whenever we hang out, there's drama. Or like it's kind of like sad or like that person's me. And no one thinks to go, maybe like we just don't need to hang out all the time. And I was like, no, till I die. They must have. But actually you change and so and everyone changes. And so friendship groups don't necessarily have to stay. They're saying they're not family.

And also I remember at university a lot of, you'd often get that excuse of like, yeah, he's a bit of a dick, but he's quite funny. Oh, he's, he's our dick. And then suddenly when that joke sort of ends, you're like, ah, right. It's just a bit. He's just a dick. He's just a dick. He's telling us who he was this whole time and we ignored it. Yeah, I think what I find interesting is that sometimes when you,

and there's a kind of character in the film like this, who is a massive, who's an abrasive kind of toff. But by virtue of just being unashamedly that he sort of is more authentic than my character who's sort of desperately worried about being kind of woke and like, you know, like being something that maybe he's not. So I find that interesting as like, you know, when people are, they are kind of dicks, but there's a sort of charm there because they're not ashamed of who, of that. Yes, it's a manipulative dicks you want to watch out for.

Just get me dick out. That's fine. Right. But it's funny as you're like, it's manipulating and you're not sure. Or the dick that comes so like transparently from a place of like fear or insecurity that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't just bully others because you're scared. Right, right.

But I guess be your being yourself. I remember that's a huge cliche, but that is a way of avoiding, I think, social anxiety, isn't it? It's if you can find a way of just being authentic, then you're worrying less about. It's very hard, isn't it? It is very hard.

Someone will not like that. Yeah, they won't like that. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what I would be authentically. Someone's like, who are you? I don't know. Fine. But it's quite hard, isn't it?

Oh, of course, it's impossible. Because you develop so many, like, defense mechanisms and ways of being with different people that sometimes I'll be at a thing and be like, I couldn't tell if this is what I wanted to do, but I'm certainly acting like this. It's that rude pool thing of being like, know who you are and,

this is how he says it, know who you are at all times. No, the drag race thing of being like, know who you are at all times and sell it. And you're like, oh, I don't know what I'm selling. I don't know who I am. I don't know if I can be it at all times. It's so...

Identify your wares and then sell them. Drink a bit. No, that. is it Graham's character this is such a he's such a and this is

the truth I mean this is it's so it's so obvious in the trailer that there are these sort of almost

I mean these word grotesque characters but done is such it's so beautifully written and done in such a good way

that you're like oh yeah come on you're more more you know like there's sort of people that you're like

oh god you're obviously awful but I'm in I'm in I'm all in exactly and we've found

watching the the film in crowds that we were worried about Graham's character which just, as Tom said, he's an obnoxious toff and he, you know, makes really offensive jokes and finds himself really funny, but he's pretty awful.

But when you watch it in a crowd, people kind of like him. They sort of laugh along with him because they kind of know where they stand with him as a character, whereas Tom's character, you're not sure. Like, he's always pretending to be someone else and he's like trying to get out of things. Yeah. So we were quite relieved to see that because when we saw some of the stuff he says, when we first watched it, we were like, This is going to be some tumbleweed moments in the crowd. But, yeah, luckily, he plays it so well. And I think it just helps the narrative that it's...

People love a brace of tofts. Yeah. Sorry. They like more of them. More of them in power, please. And that's how... That's the take-home. Yeah, the whole thing.

What's the message of the film? Urd you be richer. You'd be richer. But yeah, so there are just like some ups. So the things that we were saying of like, knowing yourself, very easy, and just like being yourself, but also like, yeah, a little drink,

a little Dutch courage is fine. Do jump in, so I'm not. No, no, I was nodding along. No, I feel like I'm talking way too much. Well, go home and be socially anxious about it. Oh, look, it's real time. No, you know the line about the drinking of whether it is, like, this is just fun or is it like,

and this is a thing I have to do all the time. And equally, like, you know, I think, you know, this, this, being aware of like, is this what we do because it's fun? Or is this what we do because this is what we've always done. And like going to a big country house in your 20s when it was like, oh my God, we're alone in the house. Holy shit. Like, look at us and we're just, we're in charge and we're the grownups. Now it was, it was so exciting and so fun.

And doing it in your 30s is a different experience because you're like, some people have like, got a mortgage. You know, like this is a totally different group of people who are just doing a thing they've done for a decade. Yeah. And it's, and I'm just being aware of yourself all the time, that thing of like, how much am I using this alcohol? like how much do I actually want to be with these people? Like, you know, and then after you're like, no, I actually do like everybody. Then it's like, well, I think they probably like you as well. Yeah, exactly.

And what you said, everybody, chill out. I also liked, just to pick up what you said earlier, talking about being, like, it's okay and everyone just sort of have little foibles with people at parties, but you still like them anyway, you know? Like, it doesn't, it's not the end of a friendship or doesn't mean that you're an idiot just because you got drunk and set yourself on file once, like once. Yeah. I think a bit of fun. But yeah, thank you so much for coming in.

Thanks so much, Averyis. God damn it, watch this film. Does it work out okay for him? Don't tell us to see him. They're in the closing moments. You can imagine. Yeah, but I am so worried that I'm so nervous about watching this film. I really made myself, I've really got myself into a real, listen, I don't like horror.

And I don't like the theme. social horror social anxiety I know but honestly and I think that's why it's going to just really speak to so many people and why I think it's going to be a classic

a cult classic is it's talking it's speaking to something that nobody everyone is feeling and nobody is saying we'll put the if you go on our social

you can go anywhere but let's just put it on our social media as well at Nobody Panic Pod the trailer will obviously put that up so anyone thinking like cool what like go and watch it because the trailer I think sells it so well it's such a great

trailer it's so like it's better than the film oh fine fine fine so you just watch the trailer 10 times over and that's basically the film you've got it all and then it comes out is it coming out nationwide it is it's the real cinemas are you guys losing your minds uh we will be yeah we're sorry yes we yes well that's the thing is you've been on the process for a really long time and it's been an uphill struggle and no doubt there's endless sort of fire putting out and mountains to climb. 31 barons to endlessly sexually

pleas in exchange for their money you know in exchange for their money you know like it it can be so hard when you get to the end

to be like to just take a moment to be like oh my God oh my God is it in the cinema we're really pumped absolutely

it's going to be amazing it's going to be amazing would you like people find you would you like them to come for you or would you like them to leave you the hell alone I mean if you want

some very dry content, then come on over to Totally Tom Twitter handle. At Totally Tom. That's how, that gives you a sense of how. I was like, listen, you're not filling the people with confidence over here. A swerly sign at the beginning. Yeah. So the whirligig sale and then no four of the best.

Great. Yeah, amazing. We'll be there. And thank you so much for coming on. Tenth of June. 10th of June. By the 12th, we'll all have seen it. It's all run for more than two days.

10th till the 12th of June, everyone. In your local cinema. And thank you so much to the Tom's for joining us. Thank you, you guys for listening at home. Please go and see the movie. I mean, I've got no skin in the game. I'm just really excited. It's going to be fantastic.

Thank you so much for being here. And however you're feeling at the moment, I hope you take a breath and enjoy this wellness podcast. And remember just, hey, chill out. They probably like you. Oh, goodbye. Bye. Bye.