Nobody Panic - How to Straighten Your Teeth

Episode Date: September 27, 2022

AKA how to wear Invisalign (other brands are available sure). Stevie is about to finish her 100 days with a retainer. Tessa never wore hers and nearly broke her teeth. Between them, they have some genuinely helpful dos and donts for anyone thinking of getting these fancy invisible braces (also, how much they actually cost).Subscribe to the Nobody Panic Patreon at patreon.com/nobodypanicWant to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded by Ben Williams and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th September. The date is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace. It's coming to London. True on Saturday the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September. At King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Welcome to Dover to panic. Imagine we're in the dentist chair. Our mouth is full of gums and bits and they've got a stick in there. I've got a stick in my mouth. And I have had a good holiday. No, it doesn't hurt. Thanks. No, that's fine.

Oh! Welcome to the podcast. Today it is about teeth. It came a point about five years ago when suddenly everybody started having these see-through retainer braces. And I called them retainers because when I think braces, I think trousers. So every time I say braces, I started to then go, of course, I mean braces for your teeth, not your trousers. And I was like, nobody thought you meant braces for your trousers, Stevie. In America, do you know, braces are called suspenders?

Isn't that wild? What do they call the sexy things that? I don't know. It's like in Australia they call flip-flop flops thongs. Insane. I remember, yeah, my sister's partner was like, and I was just wearing a thong. In America, they call your bum, you're fanny. Absolutely.

wild. People are like, I'm just going to bop her on the fanny. Like, you absolutely are not. Thank you very much. On the bop, fine, bop away. Front bottom. No, thank you. No. So, um, on that topic. Anyway, yeah, it's about tea. It's about, it's about, like, for a while, I've been seeing people with those see-through, and I want to say Invisaline, but there's actually lots of different brands. Inviseline is just a brand. There's loads of different types. And people just all started doing it. and I wanted to join in but I also my mum and me

have the same bottom teeth and hers started to cross over when she was older and she said I do wish I'd had that straightened out when I was younger and I thought well I'm in my 30s so maybe I'll do it now it's come

it goes out saying I think that we're not encouraging you to do it It's not necessary For some people it is necessary because maybe like their wisdom to come through or like your mouth is your mouth is it you're their dentist is um what's the word encouraging it because of an actual

toothal region my i never had really a problem with teeth um listen i got plenty of other problems don't be jealous but um and therefore i don't ever really notice people's teeth i think if that is you you notice your own areas of concern and you're aware of them and other people but i like never really registered people's teeth at all um and and then um a couple of years ago, I have this bottom one that since I was a teenager, began to twist backwards. And then Griswry, the dentist showed me that video a bit like when Lisa Simpson has to get braces. And they're like, this is you in a year.

This is you in five years. This is you in 10 years. And all the teeth was like coming out of her mouth, out of her head. And they were like, it will continue to twist backwards. And then all your bottom whole set are just going to crowd into the space and then continue to cross over each other. And also my, my mum, my mum, my mum. didn't love

like her teeth and weirdly when at the time when our moms were pregnant you got free dental care when you were pregnant because because your spine

has to give so much for your big baby your bones change to carry the baby and as a result your teeth chase no I'm so sorry oh my god

the human body that is the most domino effect I think I've heard that is crazy because you've got a baby your teeth move That's mad, isn't it? They don't move.

They just won't be as strong. Anyway, so you used to get free dental care while you're pregnant. Not anymore, of course. Literally did a pregnancy test. Ran it to the orthodontist. It was like, get me, the braces. And she was very young looking and used to have this big perm and braces while she was pregnant with me.

And my dad had this enormous sort of huge mustache. And the pictures of her with this like big tummy and beaming with these like braces. And there's only a year older than her. He looks about 20 years older. And she looks like a child bride. And she said the first, she went to a, this is such a boy story, but like she got her braces in, had a spicy bean burger from Burger King. Right.

Went to an interview. They, apparently they were just very quiet in the interview and were like, well, Will, good, thank you for coming in. Then she got all the way home was like, I don't believe they didn't like it. And then saw herself in the mirror and her whole mouth was just like. Beans, wall to all beans. Anyway, so she, my whole life, has been tapping this tooth and going. going to need a brace.

Yes. That's going to need a brace. And then eventually, eventually a couple years ago, I was like, right, come on then, let's get this sorted. And then you've taken up the mantle just as I finally came to the end of my...

Three years later. Three years into my invisible line journey. And you've picked up my old braces. Popped them in. Popped them in. Absolutely. Don't do that. What I'll say is,

it's really gross. No, so we thought, because, yeah, you might be considering getting it or just being like, what's it like when it's in your mouth or just anything, really. If you don't have these braces, you've got no interest. Listen, anyway, it'll be a laugh.

What's the adult thing that you've done this week before we go into sort of brace, the brace position, brace, brace, brace. Oh, very good, brace, brace. That's been a long time to think of that. What's yours? I haven't thought of one. I saw my teenage cousin the other day,

and he was saying that on the train, they were flown with some girls, and he's 21, and they're from, they were air stewardesses, and they were laughing at them, the two boys because their hay fever was very bad. Oh, that's not very nice. I know, right?

And then I was like, oh dear, well, they're probably 30 with you. What did you say back? And they were quite thrilled. And they went, brace, brace. Because they're estu-odest, and I was like, oh, God, do that. So I'm so glad I had to interact with 20 or one-year-old boys anymore. Brose, brace? No, and then they shout, when they got off, they shout, chicken or beef.

Okay, great. Brilliant. God bless them, I say. Yeah, sure. Oh, I've got one. I've got an adult thing. Okay. This is gross.

Why are mine always so gross? and or just shit. You're an disgusting person. I'm also just more open and vulnerable. Okay, so I, the other day, so I came off the contraceptive pill, not because I'm trying to get pregnant, just because I realized I've been on it for 10 years, and was like, I wonder what I'm like without it.

Turns out, sort of the same, less highly strong, way less highly strong, smaller boobs, and vast bottles of nasal hairs. What? I spat so much. Is that true?

I spat so much. Because of my brace. I just spit went into the plug socket. I've got vast bushels of nasal hair now. Wait, do you actually? Yeah. So what happened was about two months after I finished the pill. What did you come off?

I'm fascinated. Yesman. Oh, of course. So Yasmin makes your skin good. Oh yeah, I've got back acne as well. Brilliant. Yasmin makes your skin better. I went on it for my skin because I had acne when I was younger.

And I thought I was like, oh, I'm probably getting acne again. Didn't. It was like, this is great. And then turned around about, again, six months later, But I don't really get my back out a lot, but I was wearing one of them to scoop neck things. I've got loads of back knee and was like, oh, for God, I didn't know, you know, because it's obviously because I've come off it. That was one thing. The main thing was, yeah, vast bushels of nasal hair, where I was actually plucking my eyebrows. And as I was, like, I was doing a phase, I was like, holy mother of God, what's that?

So I bought a nasal hair stripper. I used it in the day. And it's honestly the most, like, demoral. things have to use. But it was either that or plucking it out. And honestly, it hurts so much. I just can't do it. So, yeah, that's what I've got. I'm really glad I'm not single.

What is a nasal stremer? It's this thing. It goes up me, it doesn't hurt. It's like a little mini sort of nose hair shaver. And it takes two seconds. It's for very old men. Yeah, I feel like granddad had one. Yeah, granddad probably had one.

My granddad had one as well. And it doesn't hurt. It does not pulling it out. It's just chopping it. Just chopping it. Which is not, I think, ideal because it goes back, obviously, quite quickly. And is sort of spiky, stumbly.

But it's better than plucking it because when you pluck it, your eyes, your eyes, water. Of course, it's absolutely horrendous. A lot of screaming is involved. It's horrible feeling. And also, then it just means I have to, like, just, I would engage with the fact that I have nasal hair. Whereas when I put the stream up, a bit of fun.

But I'm like, oh, I can't do it without, like, doing it ironically. I'm making a joke. Of course. I often go to my partner and just, walk over and just sort of do it to remind him of how attractive I am. But yeah, I can't just do it normally. But it's a bit more fun than the pain of stimming. All right.

Also, I've got very dark hair, and I'm not a blonde woman, even though I do have blonde hair, but obviously you can see my roots. So, you know, hair removal is a constant battle for me. All right, I'll come, I'll meet you. I'll meet you in the middle. How? And also, thank you. No problem.

I'll tell you that I've started trimming my downy moustache. Trimming. That's a great. Just sort of shape it into a more style. Shape it into something a bit more nice. Okay, so I'm goose from Top Gun. I am very fair, but quite a lot of facial hair that really catches the light. I've never noticed.

Have you not? Oh, well, that's a lot. But if you're noticing it, you're noticing it. I mean, you've not noticed my nasal hair, which is frankly astonishing. No, I've not. But like I said, we don't notice those concerns that are not our own. No. And so far, nasal hair.

I have no nose like. A bald nostril hasn't come for me yet. But I was increasingly aware when I turned my head and the light, the light was catching my downy face. And then this moustache was growing. Nothing wrong with a moustache. It's just we weren't expecting it. No, I think that you just weren't expecting it.

And then at the edges it really got sort of like ratty from Wind and the Willows, you know, how there's sort of like a badger or something, you know. But it goes over the lip, when you're parting it to eat. When you're parting the edge of the edge of the year And you could have brushed it up into something Back combing your mustache You know And it's actually quite pleasant anyway

It's pleasant to touch But I was like right what am I going to do And I didn't want to pluck it out Because I thought that way That way madness lies Yeah Then I'll be trapped forever And what if it grows back darker

Yeah They aren't dark They're just long and fair And growing over my mouth Yeah no sure So I thought Oh trim it I guess you just trimmed it.

Maybe I'll use your nasal trimmer. With like scissors. Just a pair of scissors, yeah. Just a little trim. I would definitely not shave your mustache. No. Oh my God. Don't use the nasal.

Oh my God. We'll say waxing's good. Although my sister once waxed hers with a gaffer tape, ripped all her face off. I had a handlebar scarves. Like it looked like she'd drawn a handlebar mustache on her face with red pen. That was how bad it was. Yeah.

Very bad. Look, just two ladies. Just two ladies. Telling you all about it. Telling you the truths. And if we may move from the nose, onto the moustache, and then down into the teeth. And there we are. Hairy teeth.

Into our teeth. And we'll start you off on the braces journey. Yes. Perhaps you're thinking of getting in it. Perhaps you're already on it. Perhaps a pal is going through it and keeps crying a lot. And you can say, hey, listen to this. Say, they talk about hair for a bit, but then they go into it.

And they get into it. Somebody messaged me. actually when I said something on Instagram about having a brace or having Envisaline or having whatever. I don't actually think I've got invisible line. I think I've got one of the other brands. Oh really? Or maybe I have Invisaline. No, I do have Invisaline, but I was

dallancing with the others and then thought, oh, I can't be bothered. So someone messaged me and said, like, how much is it because it's really hard to find on the website, how much it actually is, because people just go like, oh my God, it's so expensive. Or like, yeah, yeah. And on the website, they just don't sort of talk about it often, especially on the Invisolone one. And

it's just quite kind of tricky. So what I wanted says obviously it changes depending on what you need, how much, like if you want top and bottom. But I think there's a little bit of a tiny baby scam going, which is where dentists and certain people, obviously they are compromised sometimes because they are, they get commissioned or they are pushing for specific things. And not everybody needs to have top and bottom, whereas I think sometimes they will tell you that you do. In order for them to accurately tell you if you need top and bottom, they should be scanning your, you know, tooth and teeth,

and it's completely painless. And then they send that through to the Invisaline company, and then Invisaline will sort of say whether, you know, that's correct or not. So, like, basically it should be teeth-led, not financially-led. So I only had bottom, and it was £2,000, which was, I think, the most I've ever spent on anything. it, uh, yeah, yeah, that's one of the most of the best of ever spent on, on, on anything. You get a little case with that. It was a fun, chewy thing to, like,

if you can't get it on, get your brace on, on your teeth properly. And you get, um, regular checkups, um, that you don't have to pay for. So you shouldn't have to pay for, like, um, going in and getting, getting them, like, there's like a halfway point checkup I got and then the foot, the full way point, um, check up. And, um, so yes, but I think for, for top and bottom, It was a three and a half thousand. So you are getting a slightly, you know, it's a better deal. I suppose it's not like double. But it's still obviously a lot of money.

But that's just my personal one that I got. I know that they range from, you know, they go quite higher than that. Mine was, I got it was a few years before you. I happened to be there in the middle of the February flash sale. Which at the time I thought was just like a sort of a gimmick or whatever. But actually I think was quite a good deal. mine was two and a half thousand and it was top it's free to do the top if you want to do the tops as well

so I was like yes and for that you got the same thing and your top and bottom plus at the end you got a teeth a free teeth whitening session that's what I've got yeah yeah so maybe that's just generally the part of the course that you get all of this stuff and it was slightly less as well if you paid for it all up front and I really I mean you got a deal so I wanted to do it because it was cheaper to pay up front But also I felt much better being like, that's paid for.

Because I was nervous in case they were going to keep being like, oh, and you owe for this, and you owe for this. So I want to just be like, I've paid for it. Now you do everything. So you can save up and then just pay. But obviously, it's a lot of money to pay up front. They also do monthly installments. You don't have to pay for it up front.

And the discount was only a few hundred pounds. It wasn't like you got it, you know, a thousand pounds cheaper. So, yeah, if you can't do it all up front, it's an installment thing. I did a Vodafone commercial in Ireland and I looked at a cat behind a wall. Oh yeah. I used all the money. Got my teeth down.

Yeah. I think I looked at some Farrow and Ball paint. Gorgeous. For a commercial and used that to do my teeth. And God bless Vodafone and Faro and Ball. Thank you for having us. And they sponsor these beady smiles. Also, if you're looking into where to go

and you're London-based, I did mine at Sensu. S-N-S-U. Yeah, don't mind them. I did mine through my dentist. That is very good. So you can go through your dentist. And then also that is sometimes helpful because your dentist is apparently less likely. They're more likely to give you, obviously, you got an amazing deal, but a better deal than I did.

But your dentist will just be teeth led always because there are lots of companies that, not lots, but there are some companies that aren't as legit. So as it's become this booming industry, you want to make. sure that you're not paying 500 pounds for something that is going to be rubbish because it is your teeth and there's actually not a lot of ways of telling. No, absolutely. So if you can go through dentists, that sounds marvellous. But it does also sound like the £2,000 range is, two to three thousand pounds is probably given that both of us have come up with the similar number. Yeah. It sounds like that's about what it is.

Listen, it's a fair old whack. But if it's for me, it had got to a point where they were like, this is going to, this is only going to get worse. and it's going to be physically detrimental to you. But also, I had started to not be able to look at anything else. Yes, of course. When I saw a picture of my... I stopped smiling, basically. Well, you get stressed.

I stopped smiling. You start smiling, but also you get stressed when you've been told something will get what you, then you can't think of anything else. Yeah. Yeah, my tooth in the middle was going to go dead when I got older. So I was like, yeah. Best do it now. So we've had quite different approaches to it.

Sure. So I didn't know this, but what... I was quite surprised. You get like your first one, and I just thought you wore one, stupid. But you wear one and it's for my one. It's so confusing to know what it happens. Yeah.

It's every 10 days that I would say a different one. Just sort of you'll be through it. You go in, you have your teeth scanned. They don't have to put the gum in your mouth like you once had to do. Do you remember having a mouth guard when you're at school? I've never had anything to do with my teeth before, ever. We had to have these. One day, there was a day.

There was a day you had to all queue up and have a mouth guard fitted. What a day? I know, huge day. Do you have that day? Producer Ben had that day. Yeah, that day. Big day. You had to be held in this chair and this horrible putty was in your mouth and you had to be, like, not move.

Why? Yeah. Like, to what end? To make the mouth guard. But why did you need a mouth guard? To play contact sports. Like, to play mixed martial arts as I was doing at the time. I was going to say, like, you couldn't play field hockey.

We played field hockey without mouth guards. Really? Yeah. They told us, as we were queuing, that it was now the law and you had to have these mouth guards. Not in state schools. We were doing mud wrestling with our faces. Head-botting walls. Smashing those of teeth up.

Right, okay. I never ever wore mine, ever. Right. But so it can't be. That's very similar to your Invisaline journey, which we should be talking about. Somebody said, this is the law, and I just threw mine away.

Yeah, sure. Maybe it wasn't the law, maybe you just had to do it. Anyway, let's get on to be Invisaline. I remember being in the chair and like, these tears, and I was like gagging. I was like, I cannot have this thing in my mouth. So that was my main concern going into Envisaline.

I was like, I cannot do the putty. I cannot hold the, please don't make me do the mouth guard. And they were like, what the fuck you're talking about? I was like, the day the law came to the school and said you had to do the mouth cards. They were like, that's not a... Field hockey, field hockey! And they were like, that wasn't a day. That's not a thing.

We don't do the putty anymore. We just take a photo with a special electronic laser thing. Yeah, it's just really easy. I was like, oh, easy, pizy. So they scan you. Then they... It's the nobble time. Wait for the nobles.

First, you get your plastic, you get a plastic, what they're invisible line, which is a mould of your... teeth, each tooth perfectly shaped and you get yours and you're like, oh, here we go. I'm off, off I go. And then surprise. It's noble time. It's noble time. And they don't tell you about noble time because if you knew about noble time, you wouldn't start the journey. But actually, it's not that bad. It's just the thought, I couldn't make head nor tail of noble time while it was happening. I didn't understand why they were doing what they were doing. Essentially, they need to fit these like acrylic or like, I don't know what they're made of, sort of see through little nobles

on the teeth that they want to work on the most to help with the fitting of the brace. And these nobles will be with you for the entire duration of your brace time. The novels are on your teeth. Yeah. And they sort of make a... So because the plastic is on the nobles, it's pushing them in. So it's just this relentless, quiet push. And unlike how if you had proper braces that they had your elastic bands tightened each week,

instead you go in and you downsize your plastic, retainer to a slightly smaller one or not to say it's smaller, it's slightly better looking. Oh, it's like a different... The teeth are closer to the position they want them to get to. Yes, and you can't really tell the difference, but then you start to really tell. So I didn't have to go in.

I got given my first five in little packets all numbered what dates I've got to change them and stuff. And then I went in after the fifth one and then they checked and were like, yeah, that's all fine. Then they gave me the second half and I'm now on nine of ten. Oh my God, you're obviously storming. Yeah. So, and the only, so with the nobles, it's not, we've made a big deal of the novels, it's not uncomfortable, it doesn't hurt, it's just weird, isn't it?

It's just, they just, they just, the problem is that I think what I was thinking of was when, so when you put the brace in and you look at it, it's like, oh, my teeth are called nobly, because mine are at the front. But then immediately you realize it doesn't matter, but it feels strange, because you've got nobles on your teeth, so my teeth feel weird. Then they give you the guard and you put it in, the brace, you put it in and it feels like too tight. And you go like, okay, I think that was why I went, oh. And then he was like, okay, so that's it. And I was like, oh, that's, so I have to just wear this. And in that moment, I was like, I actually cannot do this. I cannot walk around with teeth this tight. I've never had tight teeth like it. I then, within I would say a couple of hours, the tightness goes. But then you've got about a week, I've. would say of being like oh what is what is this like this is weird and it's a bit annoying and you just sort of want to take i got a little also because your your mouth is not used it's like when you wear new shoes and you might get a little blister and then then your feet get used to it i got a little bit i got an ulcery and was like so i'm just going to have like all three mouth and be sad for 10 100 days this

is forever is it yes and then if you persist and push through that week um or that find a first batch of like this for me it was like the first 10 days you get used to it incredibly quickly and you can't have like um turmeric or tumric or turmeric or turmeric is how i pronounce it um like um there's stuff in curries that turns stuff yellow um you can't drink red wine with it but you can pretty much drink anything else you don't have to take it out when you drink stuff but it's when you eat you've got to take it out um and uh so that that first bit is uncomfortable because you're just like I've just obviously got this big thing in my mouth and I've got nobble time. When you put your new retain, your second retainer in,

so you've had your first one in for 10 days, it's squeezed your teeth. By the end of those 10 days, it's feeling loose. It's feeling like a part of the family. You're like, you know what? I can do this. You take it out. You put your second one in.

Oh, we're back to a square one with the tithiness. But then if you put it in in the evening, by the time you wake up in the morning, you've had eight hours sleep or, you know, you've slept in it. It's already, it feels fine. And then I would say now, By now, I mean, about two months ago, I was like, oh, I don't care anymore because I've had it in so much. My mouth, my speaking, my everything is completely used to it.

However, I feel like if you're somebody who doesn't wear it, you will consistently then be annoyed by it. Because you've got to kind of go all in or there's no point, you know? Would you agree with that? I simply won't engage. No, no. But you're absolutely. I'm right. Because also I might not be right.

You might have absolutely found it fine, but you just kind of didn't. one of, because you, you didn't wear it, did you? That was your problem. I did. There's no judgment. There's some judgment. There's no judgment. People used to message me on Instagram all the time, tell me to put my teeth in.

And they were right to. I had forgotten. I would forget, I lost them constantly. They give you this special, like, glittery red. Again, a mouth guard case. Lost that by the time I got home. Right. So then they were just like loose in my pocket, you know?

Yes. And then the dentist would be like, you haven't worn it? You'd be like, yeah, half. Oh, so about half months. and months into the experience. Because I would only start wearing it in the week before I had to go and see the dentist and so I would just put the last set in.

Oh my God, that must have hurt so much. Yeah, of course it did. The novels, I found very upsetting, so they did not know they were coming and they were quite, they're spiky, but honestly, for a day and then you get over it. And you do have a little cry when you're like, I can't live with this, but your mouth is an unbelievable, and perhaps the whole body

is unbelievably resilient to being like, oh, we just adapted. This thing was new and therefore it's new It feels overwhelming. It feels terrifying. And now, oh, it's absolutely fine. I forgot about it. It's no big deal. Anyway, so I would just, I would lose all them that I would keep, and I would manage to find the last set. I would put that in, just give it a bloody, an absolute blast. I mean, considering how it feels when you go one-up, I actually feel quite physically sick, thinking about what that must have felt like.

Then I would go to the den, if I went to Sensu, and then they'd be like, you're not wearing these. I was like, yep, I am. And or they'd be like, this is number four, and the top one is number 10. so what's this? And I was like, how do you know? And they were like, why do you think we don't know what, which brace you're on? And I was like, it's got no identifying numbers on it. And apart from that code that doesn't make any sense, you're like, well, it does make sense to us, the dentist.

And also it had these like blue dots on the side. And they were like, what do you think these are? And I was like, jewels. And they were like, no, these blue dots will go completely clear with enough, with saliva. So they will go clear when you've been wearing them. and yours are bright blue. I was like, ah, oh dear. So then I was like, all right, come on then.

Come on, well, let's do it. When you committed, was it better? Yeah, right. That's the thing, like, you can't, I mean, it's just slower. Like, if you just want, like, I don't recommend what I did. No, no, sorry, what I'm saying is, if you just commit, then from the moment that you were like, I'm just going to wear them, just going to wear them.

Like, was that at least easier and quicker. It was the losing them that was my main issue. Yeah. Like, it was a side. constantly put them down and then they'd be gone. Yes, this is the thing. Yeah. That's the part I found very tricky being like, I've lost my teeth again. So you've just got to get in the habit, you need to everyone around you to be like on teeth patrol and you just need to get in the habit of being like, I'm just a sensible person who puts them in their little

little case and then I put them back in again. But realistically, realistically, if you, I didn't never use the case. The other day when I was drunk, they fell on the floor, put them back in my mouth. Fucking disgusting. So the, um, the teeth, when you lose one, you're meant to go back to the previous one and put them in. That's a good tip. You've got to keep all of your previous ones or keep at least the last one. Because if you lose it and you wear them, that's worse than wearing the next one down. Because your teeth just start moving immediately.

I went, I just went one up. You're not supposed to do that. Well, I did. I'm just saying to the people who are listening. Because that's dangerous because you could break your teeth. Whereas if you go on back. Can't be stopped. won't move so badly.

Whereas if you leave it completely and go ride it nude, then it's crazy. If I don't wear mine for like five hours, when I try and put it back in, if I forget, when I try and put it back in, it feels like the first time I've put it in again. You two move so fast, which I really did not expect.

I think you're probably speaking some hard home truths here, which is... I feel like you're taking it personally, but I'm honestly not... Of course I'm taking it personally. I'm very bad at it, but I think if I'm speaking to the people, I'm not speaking to you at all. I don't presume to advise you.

I'm not even speaking like you're not even here. I'm barely looking at you. I'm doing my own podcast. I'm doing my own podcast. I'm so sorry. Yeah, of course. I just want you to know it's not directed to you. I know it's purely directed at people.

And I realize with everything I'm saying, I'm making, like everything, every tip I was giving, I was making it worse and it was making it sound like I was being like, because you didn't. But I actually don't know what you did with your teeth because all I know is you had it for like three years. I don't know exactly what you were doing. So I didn't presume that you were like losing them or throwing them on them on them. But you can presume I was not doing it correctly. Possibly.

That is not a reasonable assumption. True. You are speaking the truth, which are just if it is better just to commit and do it properly and it will feel less overwhelming and bad to be like, oh, they're just in and I forgot about them. No, I never really forgot about them. I was always thinking, there they are. It's a nicer, better experience if you just hardline commit.

Because you get used to it. And you just try a bit harder. But also, it's so fun if you lose it. And it's fun if it's hard. And it's not, you know, like, that's also like, there's nothing. wrong. Like the moment I put, I changed it, I was like, oh, I can see why test doesn't want to wear this. Like, it's just like, it's horrible. Yeah. But then it does get better. So if you, if you're, if you're, if you're a bit worried and you're a bit nervous, don't be. Also, there's the bit where,

I don't know, did you have this where they file your teeth? They're at to file my teeth. And I honestly was like dripping in sweat. I was like, well, this is going to be incredibly painful and weird. To file the top of them. They, they filed in between as if he was flossing. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like terrified of that because I've never had anything done with I'm flossing, but with an old bit of metal. Yeah, but with a full, like, chain, it was like a spinny thing. I was like, oh my God, the noise it makes as well.

I was like, what? Then they can also do it is really, they actually do literally file it like a nail fibre with a tiny thin bit. I don't even know. Oh, wow, well, there's more coming for you. My God, well, I was terrified. Just wanted to very much say, don't be, because you cannot feel it.

It does not hurt. And the bit that I was worried about as well was like, where's the bits of my tooth going? Are they going in my mouth? But then the assistant is like cleaning them up. That was the bit that I honestly was terrified of. And it was absolutely fine. There was no pain.

They didn't have to anesthetize anything. They just filed it. And it was, then the only thing is when I was flossing my teeth afterwards, which you're meant to do more with your brace, because obviously you're, anything that's trapped in your teeth is being held by your brace now. When I floss, it goes, the floss goes in too easily between those teeth and goes like straight to the gum and freaks me out of it.

That's just being squeamish. That's it. It's weird, but it ain't painful. It's weird, but it ain't painful. It's maybe the first two weeks is weird. And then I honestly don't. I keep going to eat things now. I'm forgetting. I can't wait until I'm taking out.

And my teeth feel incredibly flat and slimy. That's going to, because the novels have gone. The day the novels come out is fantastic. Yeah, managed to slide over my teeth. And I do just still love to touch them and think, no nobles. I will say what you will get in exchange for the nobles. A little bar at the back of your teeth. Is the metal bar at the back?

And again, that was a surprise. Yes. So that is just a tiny bar that's put in to stop your teeth moving back. It doesn't hurt to put it in, but you don't want it. And then you get used to it. Right. You do get used to it. And my friend...

Wearily. Wearily. My friend has had one since she was a teenager. And I was like, oh, is a friend. It's like... Oh. I was like, oh, I can't have this forever. She was like, honestly, you just don't notice it.

And that's absolutely true. I don't notice it. Whereas the first day I did cry again because I was like, I can't bear it. It feels like this massive metal bar in my mouth. Ah, you get over it. Yeah. You truly do.

Because you physically can't take that and forget it. It's in your mouth the whole time. So you've actually committed, you've committed to the bar. And now the bar is good. That's the thing. I think that this whole process for you will be overwhelming moments of intense tears where you think I simply can't. You body very quickly getting used to it.

And you're thinking, oh, this is actually fine. And just keeping going through those hurdles of being like, oh, no. Oh, it's okay. And Hardline commit, as Stevie said, is ultimately a much better, healthier, smarter, safer experience. But you will get loads of food in it, so every time you eat and you put it back in, do check. Because every time I eat, I get herbs and put the brace on, and then I've trapped the herbs in between the brace and the teeth. And then you've got nobles and spinach.

Just do those things. You'll be having a fine time. So I hope that helps you on your journey if you are in and... In and around it? In and around. If you listen and thought, no thanks. Don't. That's fine.

God, Lord, don't do it. And hope it's some help. And at least some comfort. And definitely, if you are also, if you're afraid of the dentist part, don't stress. There ain't no, nothing painful happens. There's no needles. There's no business. There's no business.

It's just nobles. That's it. We can all deal with a few nobles now and then. It's noisy, but it's not, it's, we swear. There's no pain. So thank you so much for listening. With that, God bless you. God bless you.

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