Nobody Panic - How to Understand What a Wall Is

Episode Date: May 17, 2022

Not a joke. Tessa is having some renovation done, she wanted to tell Stevie about things she'd found out about walls, and upon recording this, producer Naomi said 'That was actually really good?!' so look, just sit back and let the wattle and daub facts wash over you. Treat it like ASMR, but about walls. Subscribe to the Nobody Panic Patreon at patreon.com/nobodypanicWant to support Nobody Panic? You can make a one-off donation at https://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanicRecorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The date is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace. It's coming to London. True on Saturday the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September at King's Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Let's level with the people. Absolutely. Each, as I've just said, each episode is a how-to. Tessa's really into DIY. We've done how to do DIY. I think we've even done how to put up a shelf. Not on the podcast.

We've done really made a video about it. We wrote a book. It's DIY in it. I kept being said probably a bit much DIY in here, I reckon. The publishers kept taking the DIY sections out. And I kept sliding them back in. And then we consolidated them into one big chapter. And then today, Tessa has presented the conference.

concept of doing how to put up a shelf again. And then we drilled down, very good upon, into the reasons why she wanted to do that. And it was just because you found out about walls and you'd like to talk about this. That's right. I'd like to call this episode How to Understand What a Wall is. And I think that's one of my favourite episode titles. So look, it's open for everyone. What's so great is that sometimes we'll do an episode and it won't be relevant to someone.

Walls are relevant to Wall. Walls for All. For All. That is, yes. That's the spirit of this. Basically, as some of you will know, or indeed our new listeners who are just wall enthusiasts and are joining us just today. I'd say start with this episode is the first one.

If you're a wall enthusiast, it'll be your first and your last. Come on in. So, as some of you will know, I own a little flat. And I'm tempting some home reno, changing room style. And I'm attempting to, it has kind of. currently three very tiny rooms and I thought what if it had one good room and one one if we're in front instead of all the rooms being crap what if they was we mash them together knock down a wall super room soup one super room and the other one still crap but one super room hello um

so i've been taking a wall down uh professional builders are involved I have been asking to help every day and I am nothing but a hindrance. Didn't you say earlier, I think you said earlier that I asked Tesla how it was going and Tesla said yes, oh, they've sort of left and there's quite a lot to do and I think that's because I told them I do the rest of it. That is, it's become apparent that they think they've come to the end of their work because I said I would take on all the decorating but it turns out I just thought that was a bit of paint and I was like I can do paint but

yeah it's more plastering, plastering skirting boards, corking for example what's that? It's sealing up a skirting board stevie. I'm understanding why everybody cries on grand designs and but it has also

been extremely eye-opening also the builders God bless him his name is Derek he's Polish I like him so much and he lets me he lets me help and then like last Friday he was showing me what what he was leaving and what he needs to start doing on Monday. And then I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I'll crack on over the weekend. And he was like, he was like, Tessa, do not crack on. Please, you are making this very bad, very slow. Please, like someone having to hold me by the shoulders and be like, do not crack on. Well, also, as well, I know we're doing how to understand what our wall is, but maybe it's how to understand what our wall is, aka how to deal with builders, because I think that's quite an interesting thing that I've never had any experience in. Oh, yeah, when I, definitely, when I come to the end of this process and I have a bit more clarity of my thoughts.

Then we're going to do that as our part. Because I would like to. Firstly, just what is a wall? What's a war? Second, and how to deal with builders on when they're coming into your house. Total home renovation. The whole thing will do a big episode. So excited about it.

We'll talk about people coming to your house where it's like to have people in your home who are professionals at something and how you feel like a little, a maideness in a sort of like, oh, I don't know. Yeah. Because it is, you don't want it to speak, but it is agendered. Very gendered thing. I don't think, yeah, it's very rare. I don't think I've ever met a female builder or a builder who doesn't identify as a straight cis man. And so you constantly feel that you're being like put in that role. So I'm like, is that a bit of piping?

Yeah. What I really want to do with my life is to run a female-led building company called cowgirl builders. Yeah. Okay. In which only ladies come. Or anyone? Or, no. it's ladies or lo's presenting, you know,

it's people, anyone who's just not straight men allowed. That's right. Anyone else welcome. The gays, get in here. You aren't involved in the building trade. Like,

everybody's welcome here except the straight men. Great. And because they've got that market covered. And it is just other people. And they, when we come, we're very, we are reassuringly expensive.

We cost a lot of money. We do a good job. We come on time. We don't lie. And when we get there, we tell you what we're doing if you would like to know. Oh,

that's a lot of fun. Because you might be like, please, I couldn't give a shit, I'm going to work. Or you might be like, how does the wall work? And we tell you. And we help you understand your pipes. And we say, like, this thing is something that you could do with a piece of equipment that costs one pound. And this is something that costs 500 pounds and needs a professional with two years of experience. Excellent.

Because you never really know with plumbing. Anyway, so that's my once and future goal. Yes. But also that's, you've really set up your store for what this episode people can expect. Which is we're just focusing on the wall. We're just on the wall. And if you want more wall, then hang around. Because at some point there's going to be a full building episode coming at you.

Is that your adult thing for the week that you've torn a wall down? No, my adult thing should be really that I did not crack on. You know, like that? My adult thing is that... Sorry, every week we do a what's the most adult thing you've done this week, just for new wall. The war guys. Doesn't have to be two walls, could be. Come on in.

Mine is that I got myself... I lost my Macbook charger. Yeah. The ongoing computer. Tess has been having computer issues, laptop issues. I say for 10 years. Yeah, easy, easy, easy. Tell them about my worst time when what was out the backpack.

Oh, yeah. And what did you think my worst time was? Well, I think it was all sort of mixed together. But the worst bit was when, yeah, I think I've told it a lot. I was at a book launch. And not mine, just my friends. And I turned around and Tessa had come with a backpack. with a huge, like, remember at school, and we're talking in, like, the 90s,

one of those, like, very large off-white analog keyboards, which were like, doong, do, like, the buttons, you know, they're really pressing, with a huge thick cord, like a garden hose, it was, like, popping out the back. It was jet black, it wasn't off-white. And it was also like, no, no, but that, in my head, that sort of, no, but it was, yeah, it was jet back, and it lit up, didn't know, that was the thing. And so, and so, and it was hanging out, like, half of it. Because it was bigger than the backpack, so it was all the way up my back.

Hanging out. And she was just sort of going, like, how! hey and like turning around and people were ducking like it was just a jousting tournament and that was you you had that because your keyboard had stopped working because you've thrown something over but also before that you couldn't use the major vowels anyway i couldn't use z or delete but then a and then i did for when it was z i thought i think i can do it yeah i think i can get by without the z because i was keeping my z in my control paste so if i wanted a z it was a v oh oh Oh, very deep.

But then when A, and I thought, oh, we're out. This is a nightmare. Anyway, then I was like, well, I'm not buying a new one, but what I can buy is this 11-pound keyboard. Plug that in with the USB. Jobs are good on. Then that broke. Oh, yeah.

Christ, that broke. Anyway, so then recently I've just left my Mac charges somewhere. I don't know where it is. Have you got it? Send it in, please. So, of course, oh, I got it down the market. I bought it from a man in an alley. And it does work.

God bless the man. but I can't use the computer at the same time. There's never simplicity. There's always something bizarre. It's because you need for... Just do things, right? Every time we've been doing this podcast and your adult thing is something else

insane about your laptop, I tell you to not go down the market and you insist on going down the market. I love the market. Anyway, sorry, what's your adult thing? Is it you've gone down the market again? Oh, sorry. The thing was I realized I didn't have it, didn't freak out.

just left the house, walked to the market. Yeah, so I don't think it is you went down the market again. Yeah, fine, okay. Right,

I love that for you. Mine is that I've been a very good girl with my new retainer that I've got just from the bottom that you've got to put in. And I'm on my fourth one and I've worn it every day, apart from one day when I was like, I feel great. Oh yeah. And I don't mind it in part from when you have to change over and you have to put

the new one and it's a little bit tighter than the old one. And there's this slight fear because when you bite down for the first time, it's either like, oh, okay, wha. But that's very nice and tight or it's like, oh, my teeth are going to break. Oh, okay. So that's, and the current one I'm on is toothbreaking and I did a little when it went in. But then after about two hours, it's all fine. Okay, so let's get into what's a wall.

I'm guessing that this stems from like when the wall came down and you were like, I did not think that that was what was in a wall. The thing that has been interesting me about walls for a while is the entire episode is batching. It's like, so if you attempt any sort of DIY or you just even are interested in the structure of your house or anything like that, you go on YouTube and there's a man called Brett.

Yeah, Brett Randy. From Brett Mandy's interior designs and shelving. We're going to just talk about walls today. So if you are doing some plastering, of course you just bring down your dryboard and then up you go and up it's in the timber. It's to be all walls. bricks. Yeah, exactly. So on these American YouTube videos, the way they show, and because America

build houses, their resources are cheap, you know, they are building in a different, totally different way, they're using very modern resources, and so they build very efficiently, and therefore if you in any way improve or put up a shelf or do anything, but the structure of the house is built for you to do things like that. Nice. It's that if you are working out of the United Kingdom, your house was built a thousand years ago and anything And so therefore when you watch the videos, you're like, right.

Like, and you, so if it took me a while to be like, I see now, we actually have totally different walls. Right. Like our walls are completely different to what the American, the YouTubers have got. And I were talking because I live in like a new build. So would my wall be similar? You have got the American walls. Right. But also as well, not built effectively because the other day I found out that they've just put all the pipes in in the wrong way, which means that my house doesn't hate.

And I was like, cool, can that be changed? And they were like, no. So I was like, okay. So probably it's still bad But yours is a For Phyllis and there's a period Building like an old building And you're at the top, aren't you?

And so it's so Yeah Is that particularly like those old Basically if your house is old Then you're going to have a wall That maybe won't be behaving In the American way Should I say?

Please, yes, let me talk you through The History of Walls. We start with Wattle and Door Okay, well bits of chicken Yeah, do you remember Wattle and Door? Do you remember doing that in like year four when you learn about like the tudas or something. And I remember going home and being like,

there's poo in the walls. And they were like thinking that mom would go, no, your teacher's speaking cheap. And she's like, yeah, no, there is.

I was absolutely. Your mind's blow. Oh my God. Okay. So a wattle and daub wall. Do you know which, do you know any, any guesses on what wattle and daub any of either one?

No. Okay. Wattle is the sticks, like wooden sticks. And then daub. Shit. Shit. Okay, got it.

Wattle it. Shit on it. Perfect. So you built, you built this right. and you sort of got your two big long sticks going vertical. Yeah. Then you would put your thinner sticks going horizontal.

Yeah. And then you're like, right, well, I can still see through. So get some poo in there. Yeah. That's classic, yeah. Water and door, baby. Okay, and so then sort of about 200 years ago, we start being like, right, well, let's move away from the shit. Our house is it smell bad.

How's it smell bad? And now we start moving into lathe and plaster. Okay, so lathe and plaster is something that you have got in your house, perhaps, but so I wouldn't be surprised to discover latin plass if you've got an old house. And that is, we're still doing the horizontal wooden bits. And then we go thin sticks again. Uh-oh, we got our wattle in there still. Do our shit in it?

No, we do not shit, we plaster. So instead of wattle and daub, laith and plaster. So the wattle becomes the lathe. The wattle becomes the lathe, but they look pretty much the same. Same, same, same, same. So you can say, I call them wattle. That's what you can say if you like. Do anyone.

Okay. So these are the types of walls in your house. Your outside wall might be brick. We can all understand that. Brick. I know what brick is. We know what it does. That's your outside of wall.

Is that just like one layer of brick, by the way? Do you do multiple layers of brick? Yes, multiple layers of it. It's probably multiple layers because otherwise if you tipped one out, you can just see to the outside world. Thank you. So you've probably got at least two layers of brick work there. But that's the outer walls. Then your inner walls.

And this is when you might have somebody say, like, is that a supporting wall? And you'd be like, emotionally supporting me, that's for sure. Yeah, it's not a wall all supporting, you know? Are we all supporting in many ways? Yes. So a supporting wall means that it is in some way integral to the structure of the house. So if you knock it down, the house will fall down. If you knock it down, the house will fall down.

Oh, is that the same as load bearing? Exactly the same word, Stevie. Oh, my God. So it is taking the weight of the woof. the waterland door and the woof okay so that's a load bearing wall then you might just have a partition wall okay and that's like for a bit of like driver roll down the partition please that bionso song yes and if the driver can roll it down that means it's not supporting anything so it's just a bit of fun

amen if the driver can roll it down so can you so if it just a partition wall it's a non-supporting partition wall that's coming down and is that the wall well hopefully that's the wall that you've brought down in your house No, the other. No, I have, of course, of course, of course. So I attempted to bring down the other one. And because when I was touching it... By when you were tempted to...

I had a little go, yeah. And then they were like, the house will fall down. Not just your flat, but the whole thing will come down. And I was like, cool, cool, cool. So because you can, like, you can't, you can, like, touch it and be like, but it sounds hollow and crap. Like, surely that's not taking any weight, but you never know where the outside structure is.

That's actually very useful to know. So, because I think I would always imagine that the load bearing wall would be... So clear. Clearly strong. Yes. Right? Interesting. If you've got the original floor boards, the floor boards will go the opposite way to the load bearing.

So it's like this. Like can you imagine. Like if you were building Jenga. Oh, wow. Right. So they like, so you'd obviously, if you were building a house up right, you were like, get your Jenga that way. And then for safety, let's go the opposite way. Oh, that's so interesting.

So they're basically crisscross. Yeah. Chris cross for safety. So my other ones that are sat on the thing. That's the load bearing and the ones are going this way. Because obviously that's just going straight through. running with the grain of the boards. Perfect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where the, that's where your weakest point is. So you're like, put your partition on there. Right. So if you wanted to build a wall, you would put up these things called studs. Timber studs. Oh. Sexy as you like.

Sexy as the northern wind. Sexy horses, they go in. So why don't they're sexy horses? Because stud on stud farms and studs about. Of course, Stevie. You taught me that. Oh. I know nothing.

about horses. I think I've once seen a horse. How would you describe like that? Like I sort of like a wooden horse. Yes. You know what? So Tess is showing me a photo of the, what's it called again? Did you say? The studs. The studs. The studs. It feels like what I was actually imagining the wattle slash the lathe to be. So it looks like, it looks like, okay, so we're in the Green Mile film featuring Tom Hanks in the old-fashioned jail and you've got the prisoners looking out. But instead of the bars, it's wood. Great, great, great, great. Yeah. It looks like. Yeah. It it's like that, but they are so wide apart that the prisoners could escape. They could escape, so it'd have to be

John Coffey, the guy in the Greenbell, who's very big. Yeah, he couldn't come out, but everyone else would probably make it through. On their side, sure. They're about a ruler's distance apart, and they're these long, thin, and they go from the floor to the ceiling, up there's not. But then obviously we're like, well, how can we keep the prisoners in?

They're just coming through. So now we need to go with our wattle. Wattle or you're laden shit. So now you go studs going upwards and then coming downwards. Lathes. It was lathes again. And then they look like kindling, thin bits.

Got it. Okay, thank you. Thin bits of nothing. So that's what Wattle used to look like and now they got just a bit smarter and now they're called lathe. And then you hammer those in, right? And then you plaster on the top of that. Wow. But how do you plaster when there's the holes in the between?

They're so close together the lath. So they now look like the ribs of a rib case. right? Oh, that's good to know. So the wattles are so close that you couldn't even get the prisoners. Chicken wire. The prisoners couldn't even get a finger through. Right. So that's how close those are. And plastering is that stuff is the stuff where it's like, there's like a trowl and it's quite white and they like do the thing and it looks like. And it goes on a quite pleasant pink color. And then it's like, oh, that looks nice. That's a plastic like a pink plastered wall. And then after you got that, you're off, that's a wall. So that's what they used to do up until about

40 years ago maybe less, maybe the 50s in the recent, I don't know No, the thing is that one of the walls in mine turned out to have this lathe and wooden thing, this late, the old lades And then the other one turned out to be Called plasterboard

So instead, then they just, so then these guys were like these guys, the building trade Instead of being like, we put on each individual thin lathe to create a thing And then we plaster on top of that They're like, fuck it, let's just put on, just hammer on some really thin, good quality thing called plaster board or drywall, and then let's just plaster on top of that. And now the job takes 10 minutes instead of weeks and weeks and

weeks by master cross. Is drywall not a problem because is it quite easy to like fuck up? Define fucking up. I don't know. I just always, so when I think of drywall, I think of like problems with it or like it coming off or it being badly done. Okay. Yeah. Okay. New builds and stuff. Okay. Okay. And I think of my own flat, basically. It's got problems with the drywall? Well, I literally just got in and there was like a little holder for a teetail. And I went, oh, that's fun.

Put a teetail in it. It fell off. Then a big chunk of the wall fell off. And I was like, hang on, this is a brand new flat. It was just rubbish. And then someone says something about drywall. Ah, great. Okay.

Okay. So that's the drywall. Because I was not talking about it. I thought, fuck, maybe it's not called drywall. But I've had a Google. No it. Drywall also called plasterboard, wallboard, sheet rock, gypsyium board, Buster board, custard board.

Okay. Is this big sheet, like a meter long sheet that goes in. So I bet if it had been badly done. Yeah. Then you're, so what was this a hook and you put a hook in? It was like a little, I didn't put it in. The previous tenant had put it in. And I just put the teetail in and it didn't even hold the teetown, just fell off the wall.

Then I called the landlord and was like, there's a huge hole in. And they were like, well, you did that. I was like, no. Like, lathe, water care to get each one in, hammer it. in plaster on top of that, whereas now it's like whack up the dry wall and now plaster on we're off, you know? It drops in, get the tenants in. The teetails fall off the wall.

Okay, so this brings me perfectly to the next bit, which is why I think the teetow fell off the wall. Oh my God. Because the previous tenant put that hook up, correct? Yeah. So this is the thing about the, when you put up a shelf or a hook or anything, you'll just like, right, well, walls a wall, put the thing up. But it turns out when we put something that's going to take any weight, because essentially

you've got your big timber, your timber studs, the one's going upright. So you've got one side of the wall, you've got the other side of the wall, but in between that, you're hollow. Yes, right. I felt that in your wall. Yeah, you think you were like, and we thought it had gone on to the other side of the wall. You went in to have a look. I went to be like, oh, fucking hell.

I was going on. We were like, so we heard it go down. We were like, where is it? It's in the hollow. It's inside. Sleepy hollow. It's in sleepy hollow. It's inside the wall.

Also, sidebar, I cannot tell you how often they've made a hole and I've gone, any treasure. and they've been like, listen, we'll say if there's treasure, you need to stop coming to ask if there's any treasure today. I'm not found anything. I thought we'd be like a coin or a bit or something. Inside the wall. So it's on top of the, also on top of the plaster, you can now have either paint or wallpaper.

And luckily, those are your own two options, and both are understandable. And what, like, you're not like, is it that or it's like you can see. You can see. You can see. You're in your understanding. The nice thing about sometimes, again, in this cheap, like, whack it up.

that on, people just paint landlords, just paint over wallpaper. Oh my God, that happens all the time. All the time. So just be like, look, it's clean, fine, done. But what you need to do, again, because it takes care and dedication, is to steam off all your wallpaper, get it back to the plaster layer, then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then re-wallpaper. And then we all

re-wallpaper. Like, take care. But if you just whack it over the top of it, you know, once it's a bit, of just, quicker, of course it's going to come off, you know? So it's all about it's like, we don't take any care anymore about our spaces. And it's why. Okay. So, because there's a hollow in there. And so if you just pick anywhere on the wall at random and you're like, I'm going to hammer in my nail or I'm going to drill in for my teetout hook, what if it goes into the hollow space? Not the stud. Not the stud, okay? So if it's going to that hollow space,

it will take it for a bit and it will hold the weight. But after a while, exactly what'll happen to you. Oh my God. And also, if he'd done it with the lathe, there's more chance of drilling through a lathe or a stud because it's more wood stuff. Whereas if it's just drywall, you've got less chance because there's more hollow because there's no lathes happening. Exactly, it's even more hollow because you've got no lathes in there. Exactly, but it would eventually go through the lathes as well, but at least you'd have like a bit more

you know. So you've got to put your things into a stud, which again, the horizontal boys, the jails of the jail, the edges of the jail, now they can take the weight. Like now things can... How do you find a stud? Oh my God, Stevie. Fantastic question. You won't believe what Brett and Randy think you're supposed to do

on the internet. Yeah, what? Not. That's what I would have said Either that or do like a call Yeah so you knock along You knock along and you go Once you find one Because they're always the same distance Apart from each other

You can always find the others But I have knocked extensively I can't hear the difference I cannot hear it Because obviously you should be able to Because go hollow hollow hollow hollow wood wood wood In the films

In the film In the film In the film Oh my god oh my god So in the films They're looking for where the secret passage is And then it's hollow It's really obvious

It's lucky I'm not one of them because I'd be straight past it. I can't hear it for love nor money. So what I've had to get is a stud finder. Oh, that sounds very exciting. Very, very exciting. Like dousing for water. Yeah, and then of course, if there's a gentleman in your house,

you can always be like, oh, found him. Oh, a bit of fun. You know, the builders, Derek loves that. That's Derek's favourite thing. I offered him a tea the other day, and I said, and he said, no, and I said, do you want anything? And he said, no, just nice words. And I was like, Derek, you're doing fantastic.

And he said, thank you. Just nice words, please. Anyway, so it's not a big thing. And you hold it in your hand. It's got a little electronic dial on the front of electronic display. Is it pricey? 8 pounds. Oh, my God.

That's the thing. You think, this is an expensive bit of kit. They're really, really reasonable. They feel like Batman. So they're literally sending out a, like a sonar, a sense. I genuinely don't know how they're doing it. So sonar. So it's like, as then it goes through and you can tell the holiday

if it bounces off. Yeah. Oh my God. It is a bat signal. Yeah, it's a bat signal. Wow. So that, and you can buy that in the shop? Or just simply buy a bat.

Train a bat to work for you. Or option two. Eight pounds. Eight pounds and we're done. You just go along the wall and when it gets to the start, you go like nice enough. When you get to the stud, it goes, beep-be-bib. Or it makes it a little noise.

And then you mark up where that one is and you go and you find the next one. And once you found two, you're like, well, you don't you do the rest because, you're here now. But you'll will, they will be equally spaced apart from each other. Love that. And then you know exactly where. to knock in your nails. That's where the weight, if you're putting up a shelf, the weight needs to go onto the studs

so it can take the weight. Also, if you are looking for a stud-finding, you can also, it can tell you where pipes are. I can tell you where pipes are. The more advanced ones can say where pipes are. But again, not so advanced that you're like, well, only a professional can have those. Okay, and so my final thing about the wall is,

of course, if you're like, right, well, okay, I found my studs, but they're in the wrong place. I need to hang this teetowl somewhere where there isn't a stud. Oh, yes. Right? So you're like, well, now what the hell?

am I going to do? And now who's coming in to save the day? Batman. Batman. And what's he got in his little toolbox? He's got some roll plugs. Oh, my good friend, the rule plug. The little condom for the screw. Yes. I used to throw them away because I thought they were just plastic casing. Yes. I mean, I've never, I've never didn't know what they were. I was just like, well, they're no use to me. Turns out they're absolutely crucial and they're the reason that all, everything I own fell off the walls. I was just like whack that nail and that'll do it. So you've got to have a raw plug. Some people, okay, so they are called a wall plug, wall plug. In the US they're known as an anchor or a wall anchor or a roll plug, R-A-W-L plug.

So that means you can, if you use a roll plug, you can just put it into drywall. Yeah, you put it in, it's right, it'll go, because the drywall's only about a centimetre thick. So it will, but your screw is easily three centimetres, if not more. So it will go through with the other side and out into the hollow bit. And even if it's a heavy thing, or is it best not to do a heavy thing? You can, because what you can get is this raw plug that goes in.

It's called a hollow wall anchor. It goes in. It's like fucking, is it called Independence Day when Ban Afflick goes to space? Armageddon. Armageddon. I don't think he goes to space. Right.

Yeah, he does. No, Bruce Willis does. On the meteor. On the meteor. And he pushes Ben Affleck back into the thing. Oh, yes. Ben Affleck does go into space. Yeah, they all go.

into space. It's part of Kate Beck and Seales says on the beach. Of course. She's busy. She's busy. She's busy. And Kate Beck and Cell is in Pearl Harbor. It's a completely different film. She's on the beach. She's on the beach. Listen, it's good to establish where Kate Beck and cell is all the time. In any film and also in the wall as well. I bring it to your attention, Stevie, because what are they doing up there? Drilling. They are. And what they think they're trying to do is put something. They don't use a roll plug in the meteor. What they're trying to do is put something in. The ones it's in is going to expand in there and create like an...

So when you say anchor, as in it's going to like... As literally an anchor, imagine if an anchor, a sea anchor, imagine if its little legs were tucked in. So it went in thin. And it barbed out. And it barbed out. Oh, yes. Like a fox's penis. Like a fox's penis.

That's much better analogy than Armageddon. So a wall anchor, if you've got really thin dry wall and it goes hollow, it goes in and barbs out like a fox's his penis. Oh my God. And then Stevie, that thing can take 100 kilos. So there's no way that it's in. It's in. Okay. Right? If only Lucas, who lived in the flat before me, had known about Foss penis raw plug. And so a lot of people, not of people, one person has once said to me, is it a raw plug? It's like, it is confusing because it's like, are you saying wall? When you say raw, are you saying wall in a funny way? Also, the way it's felt as well, I think my sister, when she saw our video of it,

because there's a video of me using a roll plug in Tessa's wall to bad effect, she was like, I've always called it a Raoul plug. Raoul's plug. Listen, you're not wrong. No, I mean, you are. But in some ways, yes. So wall plug, correct.

Rowles plug. Why not? The Armageddon, meteor, nuclear. Anchor is correct. You could also attempt to call a toggle boggle. Why not? I mean, I don't think. I think we let's just writing it in for random.

But so the reason they're called a roll plug because the original wall plug was invented by John Joseph Rawlings in 1911. Not the Rawlings plug. That's a name that people know. Rawl is not a thing. Sorry, John. So, fuck you, John. So before this time, before he was invented, to get anything in the wall, you had to get yourself all the way back to your lathe and plaster. You had to find your stud. You had to get a wooden, like, peg thing. Yeah, just like, again, all this care, and this is why shit doesn't fall down in houses, you know, the old stuff. But you had to take so, it was an extensive process and you were supposed to do this sort of thing when you were building the house.

Right. So you didn't really, so if you added to a later day, everyone was like, oh, God, fine, fine, fine, fine. So the Rawling brothers, a very small plumbing and electrical engineering company. In 1910, they get the contract for the British Museum who said, could we have some electric lights please? And they were like, yeah, fine, but we have to smash all this stuff down. They were like, no, the building is too precious. You need to just do it, but quietly. And you can't be smashing through anything, so you just need to hang everything.

So they had to invent something in order to do it. I love for that. Good for them. But they must be so rich now. Well, they're probably dead now. Oh, they dead. They long dead. But the Rawlings family, it's like cleaning up.

Yes. And God bless the Rawlings, because we are still using the port, the patented roll plug for this exact thing, still to this day. And that is what I have recently learned about walls. I mean, that was genuinely, as we all thought, it would be an excellent episode. Thank you, everybody. I just really was like, wow, I've got to let the people know. You do. I've seen how a wall.

How's it? How does it? They're all glad. So, yes, stay tuned because we are going to, when Tessa finishes her journey with the builders, we're going to learn about how to deal with builders in your house. That would be really fun. But yeah, if you have any other. have any questions for Tessa

questions for me or if I may please send your suggestions in other words it will be the history of walls if you've got any things you'd like us to tackle please do let us know so yeah we don't have to do

next one what's paint I don't know but again I'm not I'm not interested to be honest okay uh oh here it comes what's a mug the history of mug handles

Yes, do email as Nobody Panic Podcast at gmail.com or our social needs at Nobody PanicPod and thank you so much, Tessa. I really enjoyed that. Thank you so much for having me, Stevie, and for allowing me this space. Oh my God, you can have all this space you like.

Let's go and knock a wall. Here we go. Thank you, everyone. Bye-bye.